WEBVTT - The Trial: The four "calculated deceptions" 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:03.040 Members of the jury. The twenty ninth of July twenty 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.880 twenty three. Lunch was arranged by the accused. Each of 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:11.240 the guests were there by her invitation. She alone chose 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:15.120 what to cook, obtained the ingredients, and prepared the meal. 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:20.000 Today, Nanette Rodgers rose to her feet and started summarizing 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:25.040 the prosecution case against alleged mushroom Cook murderer Aaron Pattison. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.200 The heart of her argument was what she called Erin's 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:33.240 four calculated deceptions. Her summation lasted all day, but we're 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.520 here to break it all down. I'm Brook Greebert Craig, 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:41.319 and this is the Mushroom Cook. It's day thirty two, 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.599 week eight of Aaron Patterson's murder trial, and I'm here 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.479 with my colleague, court reporter Laura Plassella. It was a 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:50.240 fall and day in court today, wasn't it, Laura, Yeah, 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:50.960 it really was. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.600 We all enjoyed a nice long weekend with the trial 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.680 not sitting on Friday, but we returned today for a 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.400 really jam packed day. As you mentioned at the top 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:04.679 of the episode, Crown Prosecutor Nannette Rogers today started delivering 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.759 her closing address. This is really her chance to summarize 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:12.880 the prosecution's case, especially considering the jury ended up hearing 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.640 seven weeks of evidence, so there was a lot Doctor 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.400 Rogers had to get through today, and she did that 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.920 by breaking down the evidence into four categories, and she 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:27.560 called these Erin's four calculated deceptions. The first, she said, 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.760 was her fabricated cancer claim that she used as a 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.800 reason for the lunch. The second was the lethal doses 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:39.240 of poison she secreted in the beef wellingtons. The third 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.680 was her attempts to make it seem like she also 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.520 suffered from deathcap mushroom poisoning, and the fourth was the 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.000 sustained cover up she embarked on to conceal the truth. 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.800 Let's start with the first one, the fabricated cancer claim 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:57.559 Aaron used as a reason for the lunch. Doctor Rogers 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.280 said Arin lied about having cancer in order to provide 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:05.520 her lunch guests with a reason to attend. Doctor Rogers 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.920 said it was rare for Aaron to invite people to 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:13.040 her home, in particular when inviting her estranged husband, Simon Patterson. 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:17.560 Doctor Rogers said Erin gave him multiple incentives to attend. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.680 Painting the picture of the gathering, which was not only social, 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.799 but was also about important family business. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.160 Doctor Rogers then took the jury to Ian's evidence, who 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.919 said that while they were sitting around the table, Aaron 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.720 told them that she had been diagnosed with cancer, and 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:38.160 he rejected the possibility that Erin only told them that 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.720 she had a possible diagnosis. In his evidence, he actually 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.919 said that Erin discussed with them the possibility of chemotherapy. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.360 She said, with Ian's evidence, the jury could completely reject 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.120 Erin's claim that she never told the guests she had 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:52.239 a cancer diagnosis. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.959 Doctor Rogers said Aaron planted the seed of this light 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.400 far in advance when she told Donn and Gale before 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.600 the lunch she was having medical tests on her elbow. 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.359 Doctor Rogers said this was all a fabrication, since there 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.800 was no lump on her elbow. These are doctor Rodgers's 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:11.880 words read by our voice actor. 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.960 These lies were detailed. She was setting up a fiction 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.920 that she was facing a serious health issue. She knew 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.560 how to tell convincing lies when it came to the 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.079 cancer because she had put in the research. 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.560 It was at this point that doctor Rogers referred to 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:33.960 the screenshots that were extracted from Aaron's tablet detailing ovarian 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.520 cancer symptoms. She then reminded the jury of the evidence 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.560 of intensive care specialist Professor Andrew Burston, who confirmed that 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.960 Aaron had never received a cancer diagnosis. This is something 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.800 that Erin has also conceded. This is what doctor Rogers 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:48.640 said today. 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.760 And of course here in court the accused agreed she'd 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.880 never been diagnosed with cancer. You might be wondering why 0:03:55.920 --> 0:04:00.840 on earth would she tell such a lie. Execution says 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.800 that the accused never thought she would have to account 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.080 for this lie. She did not think her lunch guests 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:11.040 would live to reveal it. Her lie would die with them. 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:15.600 Moving on now to the prosecution's second calculated deception. The 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:19.840 lethal doses of poison are in secreted in the beef wellingtons. 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.440 This is the critical deception that the prosecution alleges against her, 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:29.680 that she deliberately sought out and located death cap mushrooms 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:34.360 and then secreted lethal doses of those deadly mushrooms into 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:38.400 the individual beef wellingtons she had made for the lunch guests. 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.680 At the same time, she made sure she would not 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.239 suffer the same fate as her lunch guests by making 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:50.600 herself an individual beef Wellington that did not contain any 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:55.440 death cap mushrooms. The sinister deception was to use a 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.719 nourishing meal as the vehicle to deliver a deadly poison. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.880 Doctor Rogers said Erin used a beef Wellington recipe from 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.039 a recipe Tin EAT's cookbook that did not call for 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:11.880 individual beef Wellington's. She said she deviated from the recipe 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.880 to enable her to control what ingredients went into what serve. 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.960 Doctor Rodgers said it was the only way that Aaron 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.800 could ensure that she would not accidentally consume any death 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:24.040 cap mushrooms. 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.640 It was at this point that doctor Rogers then took 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.480 the jury to the source of the death cap mushrooms. 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.279 She conceded that the prosecution had no direct evidence of 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.680 where they came from, but she reminded them that Erin 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.560 was aware of citizen science website I Naturalist that could 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:44.039 be used to track down the toxic fungi. She told 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.600 the jury that Erin had this knowledge because her computer 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.880 records showed that in May twenty twenty two, a year 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.920 before the lunch, someone in her house had searched for 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.800 iron naturalists on this device. Erin told the jury last 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:00.280 week that while she didn't remember making this search, it 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.000 was very possible that it could have been her. Dr 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.000 Rogers went on to say that beyond knowing about this website, 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.880 Erin also had the opportunity to source deathcap mushrooms before 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.160 the lunch because two sightings were logged on the website 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:17.400 in Lock and Outram on April eighteen and May twenty one. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.599 In twenty twenty three, we won't comb back through the 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.960 evidence of digital forensics expert Dr Matthew Surrell, but he 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.120 said that Aaron's phone records showed a possible visit to 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.760 Locke on April twenty eight and possible visits to Lock 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:35.120 and Outram on May twenty two, when Aerin did not 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:39.440 usually visit these areas. From here, Doctor Rogers laid out 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.279 a timeline for the jury. She said that the prosecution 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.800 alleges that after finding death caps in lock on April 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:50.080 twenty eight, Aaron traveled back to Lengatha to buy a dehydrator. 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.600 She said she made this purchase for the purpose of 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:57.160 dehydrating the death caps she had found. The jury were 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.839 taken back to the photos of mushrooms on a de 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:04.000 hydrated tray in Aaron's kitchen. One set of photos showed 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.599 regular button mushrooms, while another set of photos showed yellow 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.920 tinged mushrooms. Doctor Rogers explained that it was the prosecution 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.320 case that Aaron was doing a test run with the 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.960 button mushrooms to make sure that she wouldn't waste the 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:23.160 death caps. She also wanted to dehydrate and preserve. Doctor 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.200 Rogers told the jury that after dehydrating the death caps, 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.200 Aaron later returned to lock An Outram on May twenty 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.720 two looking for more. She then said it was open 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.480 for the jury to infer that at some stage after 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.800 she blitz the death caps into a powder to be 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.120 able to hide them in the beef Wellington meal. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.920 Doctor Rogers then moved onto the different colored plates. She 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.160 told the jury that Ian was a compelling witness who 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.920 gave clear evidence that Aaron served her full guests on 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:57.240 one type of plate and herself on another. Here's what 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.040 doctor Rogers said today. 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.960 He had a clue a memory of exactly what was 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:06.800 served at the lunch. The individual wholly encased pasty type 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:12.240 beef Wellington, mashed potato and green beans. You will have 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:15.520 no trouble in being satisfied that he is a reliable witness, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.080 and you can confidently accept what he told you about 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.960 the details of the lunch, including the four gray plates 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.480 and the fifth odd plate. 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.520 Doctor Rogers told the jury that Erin deliberately served herself 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.160 on a different plate to the others in order to 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.720 identify which of the meals was not poisoned. She said 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.080 the only reason she would do this was because she 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.360 knew there were poisonous mushrooms in the meals, because she 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:45.000 had put them there. To summarize the second calculated deception, 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.880 doctor Rogers said that the evidence showed Erin had the 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:53.240 knowledge to locate deathcat mushrooms, the opportunity to source them 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:57.240 at a time proximate to the lunch, the knowledge, skill 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.560 and equipment to dehydrate them and then blo them into 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.080 a powder, and complete control over the ingredients of the 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.720 meal to make sure she did not accidentally consume death 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:08.520 cap mushrooms. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:13.480 Let's move on to the third calculated deception, Aaron's attempts 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.480 to make it seem like she also suffered death cap 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:21.040 mushroom poisoning. Doctor Rogers said Erin did this to disguise 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:22.080 her crimes. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.720 What that evidence shows is that the accused over a 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:30.040 number of days deliberately and falsely represented to family members 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:34.640 and medical personnel, both by her words and actions, that 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.480 she was very unwell as a result of the lunch. 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.000 Of course, the only reason she would do something like 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.800 that pretend to be suffering from the same illness as 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.920 the others, is because she knew she hadn't been poisoned. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.319 She knew she was not going to exhibit symptoms of poisoning, 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.040 and she knew how suspicious this would look to everyone. 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.000 Her good health, in other words, would give her away 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.120 about what she had done, so she had to try 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.400 and look unwell like the others. 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.800 Doctor Rogers broke down this deception day by day, and 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.560 first focused on the night of the lunch on July 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.520 twenty nine. Aaron told the doctor that on that night 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:18.559 she was experiencing explosive diarrhea every ten minutes. But doctor 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.839 Rogers told the jury today that Erin still drove her 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:26.080 son's friend home that very same evening. She told the court, 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.840 you might think a person who genuinely fears pooing her pants, 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.840 potentially in front of her son and his friend, would 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.480 not have taken such a risk. Doctor Rogers then moved 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.400 on to the next day, July thirty, which was an 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.200 Erin drove her son to his flying lesson in Tyab. 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.320 Aaron told the jury last week that on their way 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.120 to Tyab, she had to pull over because she needed 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.800 to go to the toilet, and ended up going to 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.200 the toilet in a bush. She said she cleaned herself 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.760 up with some tissues that she placed in a dog 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.720 pooh bag. However, Erin's son told an investigtion that he 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.360 did not remember them making any stops on their way 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.160 to tie up. The jury has previously heard that they 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:10.080 stopped at a BP service station, and CCTV shows Aerin 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.120 entering the toilet in the store before exiting nine seconds later. 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.920 But doctor Rogers told the jury today that it would 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.160 take more than nine seconds for Aaron to clean herself 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.680 up or at a minimum, wash her hands after going 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.280 to the toilet on the side of the road. She 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.760 said it was very unlikely that Aaron would have chosen 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.560 to take a two hour round car trip for an 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.880 entirely optional activity on a day she claims to have 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:38.680 been suffering diarrhea, she said the prosecution case where she 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.800 did not have diarrhea at all on that day. 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.920 Doctor Rogers then moved on to July thirty one and 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.120 the evidence that doctor Chris Webster gave to the jury. 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.040 He said that he spoke to Erin when she arrived 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:54.040 at lean Gatha Hospital and informed her that she had 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:58.600 potentially been exposed to death caps. Doctor Rogers told the 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.120 jury this was the momen that Aaron realized what she 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:06.240 had done had not gone undetected. She said her reaction 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.280 was that she wanted to leave the hospital and did 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.120 so after five minutes. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.120 She fled back to her house try and work out 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.160 how she was going to manage the situation and how 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.920 she might explain why she wasn't sick like the lunch guests. 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.920 Of course, she could only have felt comfortable walking out 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.800 of the hospital not receiving any of the life saving 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.880 treatment that doctors were telling her was necessary and time critical, 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.440 because she knew very well that she had not eaten 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:36.920 death cap mushrooms. 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.000 Erin was then transferred from lean Gatha Hospital to Monash 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:45.320 Medical Center, where she stayed overnight. The next day, on 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.360 August one, Erin told doctor Laura Muldoon that she was 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.679 feeling okay, and doctor Muldoon told the jury in her 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.920 evidence that Erin was displaying no signs of death cap 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:59.880 mushroom poisoning. Doctor Rogers said in total, Aaron spent just 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.960 over twenty four hours in hospital receiving treatment, but not 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:08.880 one medical professional observed her appearing unwell. It was at 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.439 this point that doctor Rogers compared aaron symptoms to those 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.440 of the lunch guests. She said that by August one, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.200 all four lunch guests had been conveyed to the Austin 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.560 Hospital and were in the ICU on life support in 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.960 an advanced state of multiple organ failure, meaning their organs 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:30.120 were essentially shutting down. But she reiterated that this was 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.520 the same day that Erin was allowed to go home. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:36.040 Doctor Rogers told the jury Aaron's story about how much 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.680 of her beef Wellington portion she ate kept changing because 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.800 she was trying to manufacture and explanation for why she 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:48.080 wasn't as ill as her guests. Aarin initially told medical 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.559 staff she had eaten about half of her meal. Her 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.120 account later shifted to one third or even as little 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.839 as a quarter. Doctor Rogers said it was the prosecution's 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.920 case that Aaron was not sick because she didn't eat 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:07.360 any amount of death cap mushrooms. Finally, let's talk about 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:12.559 the prosecution's fourth calculated deception, the sustained cover up. Aaron 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.640 embarked on to conceal the truth. 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.360 When you examine the evidence of what the accused said 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.720 and did following the lunch, and particularly as it was 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.240 realized that the lunch guests had consumed death Cap mushrooms, 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.720 you will see that the accused lied and acted deceptively 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.760 in other ways to deflect blame and suspicion about what 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:38.120 she'd done. This specifically includes four things. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.120 As she had all day. Doctor Rogers went on to 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.600 break down those four things. She said the cover up 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.600 included erin lying about feeding her children leftovers of the 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.520 beef Wellington with the mushroom scraped off, her lying about 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.560 the mushrooms in the beef Wellington coming from Woolworth's and 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.400 an Asian grosser, her disposing of her dehydrator at the 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:03.920 tip a using it to dehydrate death caps, and deliberately 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:07.720 concealing her usual phone from police. When it came to 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.840 the lie about the leftovers, Doctor Rogers said that this 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.760 was a lie Aaron told over multiple days to multiple people, 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:21.800 including family members, doctors, nurses, child protection workers and Department 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:26.240 of Health advisers. Erin's sun recounted that the night after 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.080 the lunch, his mum spoke to him about Don and 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.240 Gale's illnesses and said that she thought it might have 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.760 been the lunch. The jury has previously heard that Aaron 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.720 told doctors she went to hospital because she thought she 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.240 had a case of food poisoning, but doctor Rogers questioned 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.360 why Erin would feed her children leftovers of the beef 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.680 Wellington meal Considering all of this, Here's what she said 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:49.360 in court today. 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.240 The accused later told doctor Laura Muldoon that she had 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.440 not presented to hospital before the Monday morning, thirty first 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.040 of July as she thought she had a case of 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:03.640 food poisoning and had children with her at home yesterday Sunday. 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.840 Why then, would the accused feed the leftovers of a 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.600 meal to her children, knowing it had or even believing 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:15.320 it might have led to the hospitalization of four people, 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.920 and on her own account her own illness in particular, 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.280 why would she feed them the meat portion of that meal, which, 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.000 if she didn't know the mushrooms were the issue, would 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:30.160 be the more obvious suspect for any food poisoning There 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.120 is no reason to doubt that the children did eat steak, 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.040 mashed potato, and beans on Sunday night, but it certainly 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.120 was not the steak that had been cooked in mushroom 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:40.880 paste and pastry the day before. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.600 Doctor Rogers went on to say that after Aarin was 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:48.080 told her children needed urgent treatment, she didn't want to 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.400 take them out of school because she didn't want to 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:54.840 hassle them. Doctor Rogers said that was an extraordinary response 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.520 from a mother. She said that Aaron's reluctance to have 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:02.240 them brought to the hospital for medical assessment stemmed from 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:06.280 the fact she knew they had not consumed death cap mushrooms. 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.919 One would expect a potentially life threatening danger to her 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:14.040 children would have galvanized the accused's interactions on their behalf. 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.159 But of course, there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.440 why the accused. A doting mother, as you have heard, 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:26.280 was reluctant to have her children medically assessed. She knew 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.760 they had not eaten death cap mushrooms at all. Her 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.200 reluctance to have her children medically assessed is another piece 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:38.440 of conduct by the accused, which we say is incriminating conduct. 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.600 Aeron told the jury last week that she scraped off 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.920 the mushrooms and the pastry from the six beef Wellington 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.639 she had prepared before giving it to her children. But 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:52.560 doctor Rogers said today that the scientific evidence strongly suggested 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.800 that simply scraping off the mushrooms would not have been 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.040 enough to prevent the children from ingesting the toxins from 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.800 the death caps if they were in the sixth serve. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:04.119 Here's what she said. 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.720 The meat from that dish carried beta ammanitan in it. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:12.040 Even when a forensic toxicologists tried to extract the meat 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:16.240 portion for analysis, it could not be entirely separated from 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:20.000 the mushroom paste. It is impossible, we suggest to you 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.399 that the accused could have served up a piece of 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:26.480 leftover steak with all of the poisonous mushrooms or mushroom 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.919 paste removed. Not even a forensic toxicologist managed to do 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:32.040 that in a laboratory. 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.080 Let's move on to the second point of the fourth deception, 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.440 Aaron lying about all the mushrooms in the beef Wellington 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:44.960 coming from Woolworths and an Asian groser. Doctor Rogers said 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.320 this is a lie for three reasons. Number one, her 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.320 story about the Asian Groser kept changing. Number two, she 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.600 was not forthcoming with the Department of Health and number 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:59.960 three death caps are highly unlikely to appear on store shelf. 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:03.280 Doctor Rogers did really make a lot of numbered points today, 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.760 so we hope you're all following along. But when talking 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.400 about the first reason of the second point of her 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.720 fourth deception, doctor Rogers said that Aaron's story about the 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:15.400 Asian Grocer evolved between July thirty one and August two. 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:19.320 Doctor Rogers ran through the testimony of almost a dozen witnesses, 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:23.000 particularly around what they said Aaron told them about the 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.919 location of the Asian Grocer. Aeron told doctor Webster at 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.320 lean Gatha Hospital on July thirty one that she bought 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:33.399 all the mushrooms in the meal from Woolworth's. Two and 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.520 a half hours later, at ten thirty, she told Simon's 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:40.320 brother Matthew Patterson that she also bought dried mushrooms from 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:44.440 a Chinese grocer in the Oakley area. Around that time, 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.760 she also spoke to doctor Veronica Foot and said to 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.399 her that the dried mushrooms came from a Chinese grocer 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.880 in Melbourne. She didn't mention any suburbs About twenty minutes later, 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.320 she spoke to doctor Connor McDermott from Austin Health, who 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:02.400 said she bought button mushrooms from Woolworth's and dried mushrooms 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.639 from a Chinese grocer in Oakley. She also mentioned at 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.480 this point that the grocer may have been in Glen Waverley. 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.879 At two forty pm, she told two paramedics that the 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:15.320 dried mushrooms came from an Asian grocer in Melbourne. When 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.440 she got to Monash Medical Center, she told doctor Muldoon 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.680 at four PM that the dried mushrooms may have come 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.480 from an Asian grocer in Glen Waverley. Finally, two hours later, 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:29.240 at six pm, she told Public Health Director Ronda Stewart 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:31.760 that the dried mushrooms may have come from an Asian 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:36.040 grocer in Oakley or Glen Waverley, but doctor Rogers said 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:40.080 Erin's story continued to evolve. The next day, she told 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:43.600 Senior Public Health Advisor Sally Anne Atkinson that the dried 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.960 mushrooms may have come from an Asian grocer in either Clayton, 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:51.439 Mount Waverley or Oakley. Doctor Rogers said this was the 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.480 first time Aaron had mentioned Clayton or Mount Waverley. Later 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.400 that day, she spoke to child protection worker Katrina Cripps 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.440 and told her that the ride mushrooms may have come 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:05.200 from an Asian grocer in Oakley or Clayton, but Doctor 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.960 Rogers said she didn't mention Mount Waverley to Miss Cripps, 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:12.439 despite mentioning it six hours earlier to Miss Atkinson. The 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:15.400 next day, on August two, Erin again spoke to Miss 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:19.400 Atkinson and mentioned Oakley and Clayton, but did not mention 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:22.560 Glen Waverley in her last example. Doctor Rogers said that 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.040 Aaron spoke again to Miss Atkinson on August three and 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.919 mentioned strip shopping in Oakley, but then this time mentioned 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:30.560 Glen Waverley. 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:33.880 Okay, so that's a lot of suburbs, Laura, so let 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:39.720 me summarize. She mentioned Oakley, Glen Waverley, Clayton, and Mount Waverley. 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.679 And Melbourne as well at large, but different combinations. It 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.280 appears to different people. And this was something Doctor Rogers 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:49.840 really wanted to make a point of. Here is what 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:51.240 she told the jury. 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:53.680 Even if you could accept it is something you might 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.159 not remember, you would think that if you were in 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:59.040 a situation like this, for the sake of your very 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:02.760 ill family men, and for anyone else who might be exposed, 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.719 you would do everything you could to try and remember 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:09.320 the store. But the accused sat on her hands while Don, 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:14.040 gail Ian, and Heather were all in Coma's She was 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.800 slow to respond to the Department of Health, even totally 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:21.840 non responsive at times, and as time passed, her description 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:25.360 of the Chinese food store shifted and grew broader. 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:30.960 Then doctor Rogers described how remarkable Erin's memory was last 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:34.320 week while she was giving evidence compared to her memory 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:35.680 of the Asian grosser. 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.840 You might have noticed that when the accused was giving 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:42.040 the evidence that she appeared to have a remarkable memory. 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:46.320 She could recall dates, evidence, and details easily, as she 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:50.280 was being asked questions over many days. Even now in 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:53.080 June twenty twenty five, she could recall that twenty eighth 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.280 of April twenty twenty three was a Friday and not 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:59.320 a Monday, as I had suggested to her in cross examination. 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:03.959 Yet on August thirteenth, twenty twenty three, she could not 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.440 recall the shop or even the suburb where she purchased 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:11.760 the mushrooms from an Asian grocer in the same April 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:15.000 of twenty twenty three. It's simply beggars belief. 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:19.320 So doctor Rogers will continue her closing address tomorrow, where 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.080 she will cover the last two points of the fourth deception, 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:26.639 those being that Erin disposed of the dehydrator and deliberately 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:30.200 concealed her usual phone from police. We don't know how 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.919