1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Members of the jury. The twenty ninth of July twenty 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: twenty three. Lunch was arranged by the accused. Each of 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: the guests were there by her invitation. She alone chose 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: what to cook, obtained the ingredients, and prepared the meal. 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: Today, Nanette Rodgers rose to her feet and started summarizing 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: the prosecution case against alleged mushroom Cook murderer Aaron Pattison. 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: The heart of her argument was what she called Erin's 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: four calculated deceptions. Her summation lasted all day, but we're 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 2: here to break it all down. I'm Brook Greebert Craig, 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:41,319 Speaker 2: and this is the Mushroom Cook. It's day thirty two, 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 2: week eight of Aaron Patterson's murder trial, and I'm here 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: with my colleague, court reporter Laura Plassella. It was a 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: fall and day in court today, wasn't it, Laura, Yeah, 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: it really was. 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 3: We all enjoyed a nice long weekend with the trial 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: not sitting on Friday, but we returned today for a 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: really jam packed day. As you mentioned at the top 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 3: of the episode, Crown Prosecutor Nannette Rogers today started delivering 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 3: her closing address. This is really her chance to summarize 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: the prosecution's case, especially considering the jury ended up hearing 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 3: seven weeks of evidence, so there was a lot Doctor 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 3: Rogers had to get through today, and she did that 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: by breaking down the evidence into four categories, and she 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: called these Erin's four calculated deceptions. The first, she said, 25 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 3: was her fabricated cancer claim that she used as a 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: reason for the lunch. The second was the lethal doses 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: of poison she secreted in the beef wellingtons. The third 28 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 3: was her attempts to make it seem like she also 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: suffered from deathcap mushroom poisoning, and the fourth was the 30 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: sustained cover up she embarked on to conceal the truth. 31 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: Let's start with the first one, the fabricated cancer claim 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 2: Aaron used as a reason for the lunch. Doctor Rogers 33 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: said Arin lied about having cancer in order to provide 34 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: her lunch guests with a reason to attend. Doctor Rogers 35 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: said it was rare for Aaron to invite people to 36 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: her home, in particular when inviting her estranged husband, Simon Patterson. 37 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: Doctor Rogers said Erin gave him multiple incentives to attend. 38 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: Painting the picture of the gathering, which was not only social, 39 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: but was also about important family business. 40 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: Doctor Rogers then took the jury to Ian's evidence, who 41 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 3: said that while they were sitting around the table, Aaron 42 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: told them that she had been diagnosed with cancer, and 43 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: he rejected the possibility that Erin only told them that 44 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: she had a possible diagnosis. In his evidence, he actually 45 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 3: said that Erin discussed with them the possibility of chemotherapy. 46 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: She said, with Ian's evidence, the jury could completely reject 47 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: Erin's claim that she never told the guests she had 48 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 3: a cancer diagnosis. 49 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 2: Doctor Rogers said Aaron planted the seed of this light 50 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: far in advance when she told Donn and Gale before 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: the lunch she was having medical tests on her elbow. 52 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: Doctor Rogers said this was all a fabrication, since there 53 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: was no lump on her elbow. These are doctor Rodgers's 54 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: words read by our voice actor. 55 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: These lies were detailed. She was setting up a fiction 56 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: that she was facing a serious health issue. She knew 57 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: how to tell convincing lies when it came to the 58 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: cancer because she had put in the research. 59 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: It was at this point that doctor Rogers referred to 60 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 3: the screenshots that were extracted from Aaron's tablet detailing ovarian 61 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: cancer symptoms. She then reminded the jury of the evidence 62 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: of intensive care specialist Professor Andrew Burston, who confirmed that 63 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: Aaron had never received a cancer diagnosis. This is something 64 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: that Erin has also conceded. This is what doctor Rogers 65 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: said today. 66 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: And of course here in court the accused agreed she'd 67 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: never been diagnosed with cancer. You might be wondering why 68 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: on earth would she tell such a lie. Execution says 69 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: that the accused never thought she would have to account 70 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: for this lie. She did not think her lunch guests 71 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: would live to reveal it. Her lie would die with them. 72 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: Moving on now to the prosecution's second calculated deception. The 73 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 2: lethal doses of poison are in secreted in the beef wellingtons. 74 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: This is the critical deception that the prosecution alleges against her, 75 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: that she deliberately sought out and located death cap mushrooms 76 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: and then secreted lethal doses of those deadly mushrooms into 77 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: the individual beef wellingtons she had made for the lunch guests. 78 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: At the same time, she made sure she would not 79 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 1: suffer the same fate as her lunch guests by making 80 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: herself an individual beef Wellington that did not contain any 81 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: death cap mushrooms. The sinister deception was to use a 82 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: nourishing meal as the vehicle to deliver a deadly poison. 83 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: Doctor Rogers said Erin used a beef Wellington recipe from 84 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 2: a recipe Tin EAT's cookbook that did not call for 85 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: individual beef Wellington's. She said she deviated from the recipe 86 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: to enable her to control what ingredients went into what serve. 87 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: Doctor Rodgers said it was the only way that Aaron 88 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: could ensure that she would not accidentally consume any death 89 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: cap mushrooms. 90 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: It was at this point that doctor Rogers then took 91 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 3: the jury to the source of the death cap mushrooms. 92 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: She conceded that the prosecution had no direct evidence of 93 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: where they came from, but she reminded them that Erin 94 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: was aware of citizen science website I Naturalist that could 95 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 3: be used to track down the toxic fungi. She told 96 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 3: the jury that Erin had this knowledge because her computer 97 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 3: records showed that in May twenty twenty two, a year 98 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: before the lunch, someone in her house had searched for 99 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: iron naturalists on this device. Erin told the jury last 100 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 3: week that while she didn't remember making this search, it 101 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: was very possible that it could have been her. Dr 102 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: Rogers went on to say that beyond knowing about this website, 103 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: Erin also had the opportunity to source deathcap mushrooms before 104 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 3: the lunch because two sightings were logged on the website 105 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: in Lock and Outram on April eighteen and May twenty one. 106 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three, we won't comb back through the 107 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: evidence of digital forensics expert Dr Matthew Surrell, but he 108 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 3: said that Aaron's phone records showed a possible visit to 109 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: Locke on April twenty eight and possible visits to Lock 110 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: and Outram on May twenty two, when Aerin did not 111 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 3: usually visit these areas. From here, Doctor Rogers laid out 112 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 3: a timeline for the jury. She said that the prosecution 113 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: alleges that after finding death caps in lock on April 114 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: twenty eight, Aaron traveled back to Lengatha to buy a dehydrator. 115 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 3: She said she made this purchase for the purpose of 116 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 3: dehydrating the death caps she had found. The jury were 117 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 3: taken back to the photos of mushrooms on a de 118 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 3: hydrated tray in Aaron's kitchen. One set of photos showed 119 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 3: regular button mushrooms, while another set of photos showed yellow 120 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: tinged mushrooms. Doctor Rogers explained that it was the prosecution 121 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: case that Aaron was doing a test run with the 122 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: button mushrooms to make sure that she wouldn't waste the 123 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: death caps. She also wanted to dehydrate and preserve. Doctor 124 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: Rogers told the jury that after dehydrating the death caps, 125 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: Aaron later returned to lock An Outram on May twenty 126 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: two looking for more. She then said it was open 127 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: for the jury to infer that at some stage after 128 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 3: she blitz the death caps into a powder to be 129 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: able to hide them in the beef Wellington meal. 130 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: Doctor Rogers then moved onto the different colored plates. She 131 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: told the jury that Ian was a compelling witness who 132 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: gave clear evidence that Aaron served her full guests on 133 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: one type of plate and herself on another. Here's what 134 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: doctor Rogers said today. 135 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: He had a clue a memory of exactly what was 136 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: served at the lunch. The individual wholly encased pasty type 137 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: beef Wellington, mashed potato and green beans. You will have 138 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: no trouble in being satisfied that he is a reliable witness, 139 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: and you can confidently accept what he told you about 140 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: the details of the lunch, including the four gray plates 141 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: and the fifth odd plate. 142 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: Doctor Rogers told the jury that Erin deliberately served herself 143 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: on a different plate to the others in order to 144 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: identify which of the meals was not poisoned. She said 145 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: the only reason she would do this was because she 146 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: knew there were poisonous mushrooms in the meals, because she 147 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 3: had put them there. To summarize the second calculated deception, 148 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: doctor Rogers said that the evidence showed Erin had the 149 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: knowledge to locate deathcat mushrooms, the opportunity to source them 150 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: at a time proximate to the lunch, the knowledge, skill 151 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: and equipment to dehydrate them and then blo them into 152 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 3: a powder, and complete control over the ingredients of the 153 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 3: meal to make sure she did not accidentally consume death 154 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: cap mushrooms. 155 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: Let's move on to the third calculated deception, Aaron's attempts 156 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: to make it seem like she also suffered death cap 157 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: mushroom poisoning. Doctor Rogers said Erin did this to disguise 158 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 2: her crimes. 159 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: What that evidence shows is that the accused over a 160 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: number of days deliberately and falsely represented to family members 161 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: and medical personnel, both by her words and actions, that 162 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: she was very unwell as a result of the lunch. 163 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: Of course, the only reason she would do something like 164 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: that pretend to be suffering from the same illness as 165 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: the others, is because she knew she hadn't been poisoned. 166 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: She knew she was not going to exhibit symptoms of poisoning, 167 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: and she knew how suspicious this would look to everyone. 168 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: Her good health, in other words, would give her away 169 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: about what she had done, so she had to try 170 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: and look unwell like the others. 171 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: Doctor Rogers broke down this deception day by day, and 172 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 3: first focused on the night of the lunch on July 173 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: twenty nine. Aaron told the doctor that on that night 174 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 3: she was experiencing explosive diarrhea every ten minutes. But doctor 175 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 3: Rogers told the jury today that Erin still drove her 176 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: son's friend home that very same evening. She told the court, 177 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 3: you might think a person who genuinely fears pooing her pants, 178 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: potentially in front of her son and his friend, would 179 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: not have taken such a risk. Doctor Rogers then moved 180 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 3: on to the next day, July thirty, which was an 181 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 3: Erin drove her son to his flying lesson in Tyab. 182 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 3: Aaron told the jury last week that on their way 183 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: to Tyab, she had to pull over because she needed 184 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: to go to the toilet, and ended up going to 185 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: the toilet in a bush. She said she cleaned herself 186 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: up with some tissues that she placed in a dog 187 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 3: pooh bag. However, Erin's son told an investigtion that he 188 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: did not remember them making any stops on their way 189 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 3: to tie up. The jury has previously heard that they 190 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 3: stopped at a BP service station, and CCTV shows Aerin 191 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: entering the toilet in the store before exiting nine seconds later. 192 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: But doctor Rogers told the jury today that it would 193 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: take more than nine seconds for Aaron to clean herself 194 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 3: up or at a minimum, wash her hands after going 195 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: to the toilet on the side of the road. She 196 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: said it was very unlikely that Aaron would have chosen 197 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: to take a two hour round car trip for an 198 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 3: entirely optional activity on a day she claims to have 199 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 3: been suffering diarrhea, she said the prosecution case where she 200 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 3: did not have diarrhea at all on that day. 201 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: Doctor Rogers then moved on to July thirty one and 202 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: the evidence that doctor Chris Webster gave to the jury. 203 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: He said that he spoke to Erin when she arrived 204 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: at lean Gatha Hospital and informed her that she had 205 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: potentially been exposed to death caps. Doctor Rogers told the 206 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: jury this was the momen that Aaron realized what she 207 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: had done had not gone undetected. She said her reaction 208 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: was that she wanted to leave the hospital and did 209 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: so after five minutes. 210 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: She fled back to her house try and work out 211 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: how she was going to manage the situation and how 212 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: she might explain why she wasn't sick like the lunch guests. 213 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: Of course, she could only have felt comfortable walking out 214 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: of the hospital not receiving any of the life saving 215 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: treatment that doctors were telling her was necessary and time critical, 216 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: because she knew very well that she had not eaten 217 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: death cap mushrooms. 218 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: Erin was then transferred from lean Gatha Hospital to Monash 219 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 3: Medical Center, where she stayed overnight. The next day, on 220 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 3: August one, Erin told doctor Laura Muldoon that she was 221 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 3: feeling okay, and doctor Muldoon told the jury in her 222 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 3: evidence that Erin was displaying no signs of death cap 223 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: mushroom poisoning. Doctor Rogers said in total, Aaron spent just 224 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: over twenty four hours in hospital receiving treatment, but not 225 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: one medical professional observed her appearing unwell. It was at 226 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 3: this point that doctor Rogers compared aaron symptoms to those 227 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 3: of the lunch guests. She said that by August one, 228 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 3: all four lunch guests had been conveyed to the Austin 229 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: Hospital and were in the ICU on life support in 230 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 3: an advanced state of multiple organ failure, meaning their organs 231 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 3: were essentially shutting down. But she reiterated that this was 232 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: the same day that Erin was allowed to go home. 233 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: Doctor Rogers told the jury Aaron's story about how much 234 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: of her beef Wellington portion she ate kept changing because 235 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: she was trying to manufacture and explanation for why she 236 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: wasn't as ill as her guests. Aarin initially told medical 237 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 2: staff she had eaten about half of her meal. Her 238 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: account later shifted to one third or even as little 239 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 2: as a quarter. Doctor Rogers said it was the prosecution's 240 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: case that Aaron was not sick because she didn't eat 241 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: any amount of death cap mushrooms. Finally, let's talk about 242 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 2: the prosecution's fourth calculated deception, the sustained cover up. Aaron 243 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: embarked on to conceal the truth. 244 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: When you examine the evidence of what the accused said 245 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: and did following the lunch, and particularly as it was 246 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: realized that the lunch guests had consumed death Cap mushrooms, 247 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: you will see that the accused lied and acted deceptively 248 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: in other ways to deflect blame and suspicion about what 249 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: she'd done. This specifically includes four things. 250 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 3: As she had all day. Doctor Rogers went on to 251 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: break down those four things. She said the cover up 252 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: included erin lying about feeding her children leftovers of the 253 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: beef Wellington with the mushroom scraped off, her lying about 254 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: the mushrooms in the beef Wellington coming from Woolworth's and 255 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 3: an Asian grosser, her disposing of her dehydrator at the 256 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: tip a using it to dehydrate death caps, and deliberately 257 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: concealing her usual phone from police. When it came to 258 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: the lie about the leftovers, Doctor Rogers said that this 259 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: was a lie Aaron told over multiple days to multiple people, 260 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: including family members, doctors, nurses, child protection workers and Department 261 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 3: of Health advisers. Erin's sun recounted that the night after 262 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 3: the lunch, his mum spoke to him about Don and 263 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: Gale's illnesses and said that she thought it might have 264 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: been the lunch. The jury has previously heard that Aaron 265 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: told doctors she went to hospital because she thought she 266 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: had a case of food poisoning, but doctor Rogers questioned 267 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: why Erin would feed her children leftovers of the beef 268 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: Wellington meal Considering all of this, Here's what she said 269 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: in court today. 270 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: The accused later told doctor Laura Muldoon that she had 271 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: not presented to hospital before the Monday morning, thirty first 272 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: of July as she thought she had a case of 273 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: food poisoning and had children with her at home yesterday Sunday. 274 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: Why then, would the accused feed the leftovers of a 275 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: meal to her children, knowing it had or even believing 276 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: it might have led to the hospitalization of four people, 277 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: and on her own account her own illness in particular, 278 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: why would she feed them the meat portion of that meal, which, 279 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: if she didn't know the mushrooms were the issue, would 280 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: be the more obvious suspect for any food poisoning There 281 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: is no reason to doubt that the children did eat steak, 282 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: mashed potato, and beans on Sunday night, but it certainly 283 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: was not the steak that had been cooked in mushroom 284 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: paste and pastry the day before. 285 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: Doctor Rogers went on to say that after Aarin was 286 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: told her children needed urgent treatment, she didn't want to 287 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: take them out of school because she didn't want to 288 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: hassle them. Doctor Rogers said that was an extraordinary response 289 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: from a mother. She said that Aaron's reluctance to have 290 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 2: them brought to the hospital for medical assessment stemmed from 291 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: the fact she knew they had not consumed death cap mushrooms. 292 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: One would expect a potentially life threatening danger to her 293 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: children would have galvanized the accused's interactions on their behalf. 294 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: But of course, there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for 295 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: why the accused. A doting mother, as you have heard, 296 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: was reluctant to have her children medically assessed. She knew 297 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: they had not eaten death cap mushrooms at all. Her 298 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: reluctance to have her children medically assessed is another piece 299 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: of conduct by the accused, which we say is incriminating conduct. 300 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 3: Aeron told the jury last week that she scraped off 301 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 3: the mushrooms and the pastry from the six beef Wellington 302 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 3: she had prepared before giving it to her children. But 303 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: doctor Rogers said today that the scientific evidence strongly suggested 304 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: that simply scraping off the mushrooms would not have been 305 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: enough to prevent the children from ingesting the toxins from 306 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: the death caps if they were in the sixth serve. 307 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 3: Here's what she said. 308 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: The meat from that dish carried beta ammanitan in it. 309 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: Even when a forensic toxicologists tried to extract the meat 310 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: portion for analysis, it could not be entirely separated from 311 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: the mushroom paste. It is impossible, we suggest to you 312 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: that the accused could have served up a piece of 313 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: leftover steak with all of the poisonous mushrooms or mushroom 314 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: paste removed. Not even a forensic toxicologist managed to do 315 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: that in a laboratory. 316 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: Let's move on to the second point of the fourth deception, 317 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 2: Aaron lying about all the mushrooms in the beef Wellington 318 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: coming from Woolworths and an Asian groser. Doctor Rogers said 319 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: this is a lie for three reasons. Number one, her 320 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: story about the Asian Groser kept changing. Number two, she 321 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: was not forthcoming with the Department of Health and number 322 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: three death caps are highly unlikely to appear on store shelf. 323 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: Doctor Rogers did really make a lot of numbered points today, 324 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 3: so we hope you're all following along. But when talking 325 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 3: about the first reason of the second point of her 326 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: fourth deception, doctor Rogers said that Aaron's story about the 327 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 3: Asian Grocer evolved between July thirty one and August two. 328 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: Doctor Rogers ran through the testimony of almost a dozen witnesses, 329 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 3: particularly around what they said Aaron told them about the 330 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 3: location of the Asian Grocer. Aeron told doctor Webster at 331 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: lean Gatha Hospital on July thirty one that she bought 332 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 3: all the mushrooms in the meal from Woolworth's. Two and 333 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 3: a half hours later, at ten thirty, she told Simon's 334 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: brother Matthew Patterson that she also bought dried mushrooms from 335 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 3: a Chinese grocer in the Oakley area. Around that time, 336 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: she also spoke to doctor Veronica Foot and said to 337 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 3: her that the dried mushrooms came from a Chinese grocer 338 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 3: in Melbourne. She didn't mention any suburbs About twenty minutes later, 339 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 3: she spoke to doctor Connor McDermott from Austin Health, who 340 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 3: said she bought button mushrooms from Woolworth's and dried mushrooms 341 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 3: from a Chinese grocer in Oakley. She also mentioned at 342 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: this point that the grocer may have been in Glen Waverley. 343 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 3: At two forty pm, she told two paramedics that the 344 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: dried mushrooms came from an Asian grocer in Melbourne. When 345 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 3: she got to Monash Medical Center, she told doctor Muldoon 346 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 3: at four PM that the dried mushrooms may have come 347 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 3: from an Asian grocer in Glen Waverley. Finally, two hours later, 348 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: at six pm, she told Public Health Director Ronda Stewart 349 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 3: that the dried mushrooms may have come from an Asian 350 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: grocer in Oakley or Glen Waverley, but doctor Rogers said 351 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: Erin's story continued to evolve. The next day, she told 352 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: Senior Public Health Advisor Sally Anne Atkinson that the dried 353 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 3: mushrooms may have come from an Asian grocer in either Clayton, 354 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 3: Mount Waverley or Oakley. Doctor Rogers said this was the 355 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: first time Aaron had mentioned Clayton or Mount Waverley. Later 356 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 3: that day, she spoke to child protection worker Katrina Cripps 357 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 3: and told her that the ride mushrooms may have come 358 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 3: from an Asian grocer in Oakley or Clayton, but Doctor 359 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: Rogers said she didn't mention Mount Waverley to Miss Cripps, 360 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 3: despite mentioning it six hours earlier to Miss Atkinson. The 361 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 3: next day, on August two, Erin again spoke to Miss 362 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 3: Atkinson and mentioned Oakley and Clayton, but did not mention 363 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: Glen Waverley in her last example. Doctor Rogers said that 364 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: Aaron spoke again to Miss Atkinson on August three and 365 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 3: mentioned strip shopping in Oakley, but then this time mentioned 366 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 3: Glen Waverley. 367 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 2: Okay, so that's a lot of suburbs, Laura, so let 368 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: me summarize. She mentioned Oakley, Glen Waverley, Clayton, and Mount Waverley. 369 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 3: And Melbourne as well at large, but different combinations. It 370 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: appears to different people. And this was something Doctor Rogers 371 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: really wanted to make a point of. Here is what 372 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 3: she told the jury. 373 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: Even if you could accept it is something you might 374 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: not remember, you would think that if you were in 375 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: a situation like this, for the sake of your very 376 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: ill family men, and for anyone else who might be exposed, 377 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 1: you would do everything you could to try and remember 378 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: the store. But the accused sat on her hands while Don, 379 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: gail Ian, and Heather were all in Coma's She was 380 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: slow to respond to the Department of Health, even totally 381 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: non responsive at times, and as time passed, her description 382 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: of the Chinese food store shifted and grew broader. 383 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: Then doctor Rogers described how remarkable Erin's memory was last 384 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 2: week while she was giving evidence compared to her memory 385 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 2: of the Asian grosser. 386 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: You might have noticed that when the accused was giving 387 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: the evidence that she appeared to have a remarkable memory. 388 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: She could recall dates, evidence, and details easily, as she 389 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: was being asked questions over many days. Even now in 390 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: June twenty twenty five, she could recall that twenty eighth 391 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: of April twenty twenty three was a Friday and not 392 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: a Monday, as I had suggested to her in cross examination. 393 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 1: Yet on August thirteenth, twenty twenty three, she could not 394 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: recall the shop or even the suburb where she purchased 395 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: the mushrooms from an Asian grocer in the same April 396 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three. It's simply beggars belief. 397 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 3: So doctor Rogers will continue her closing address tomorrow, where 398 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 3: she will cover the last two points of the fourth deception, 399 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 3: those being that Erin disposed of the dehydrator and deliberately 400 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 3: concealed her usual phone from police. We don't know how 401 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 3: long doctor Rogers's address will go on for after that, 402 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 3: but once she's done, it will then be the defense's turn. 403 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 3: Defense barrister Colin Mandy will also deliver a closing address 404 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: to the jury. Erin is claiming that she may have 405 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 3: accidentally added mushrooms she foraged into the meal with the 406 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 3: dried mushrooms she purchased from the Asian grocer. 407 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 2: Thanks Laura. See you tomorrow for another episode, See you, 408 00:23:54,119 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 2: Brooks