WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 15 July

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<v Speaker 1>From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, good evening, everybody, Happy Monday. James Borrow sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>here again in the man Cave for one more week

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<v Speaker 2>on Paul Murray Live. And by the way, how absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>phenomenal was that documentary on the sixtieth anniversary of the

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<v Speaker 2>Australian Hey, fantastic stuff. Now, normally I like to kick

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<v Speaker 2>things off with a bit of domestic politics, but let's

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, there is really only one story going on

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment, and that is the continued reverberations from

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<v Speaker 2>the attempted assassination of former and now even more likely

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<v Speaker 2>future President Donald J.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump. Got a bunch of great guests.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming at you from here in Australia and overseas in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. But before we start bringing in our

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<v Speaker 2>brilliant panels, let's lay down a few markers about where

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<v Speaker 2>we are and where we've come in the last twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four hours now point one. The politics, the political fallout

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<v Speaker 2>of what just happened yesterday, are beginning to become clear now,

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<v Speaker 2>however awful, and though they could have been a lot worse,

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<v Speaker 2>however awful, the events of the past twenty four to

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six hours have been well. They are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be felt right through November. The images, of course, of

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump bouncing back after being shocked, pumping his fist

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<v Speaker 2>in defiance, and all the rest have given new life

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<v Speaker 2>to what was already a surging Republican campaign. Republican voters

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<v Speaker 2>now have a huge enthusiasm lead over the Democrats in

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<v Speaker 2>their minds. They've got a massive reason now to go

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<v Speaker 2>out vote, get their guy in. And remember, America is

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<v Speaker 2>not a compulsory voting country like Australia is. New polls

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<v Speaker 2>just released show Trump with a two to one likelyhood

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<v Speaker 2>of winning Pennsylvania wisconstin Michigan. The betting firm Polly Market

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<v Speaker 2>also says Trump is a seventy seven percent likelihood of

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<v Speaker 2>winning Georgia, seventy eight percent chance of winning Arizona, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a seventy nine percent chance of winning Nevada.

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<v Speaker 2>These are huge gains in the polls, and Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has told Washington Examiner reporter Selena Zito that he has

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<v Speaker 2>also gone and torn up his speech for the coming

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<v Speaker 2>Republican convention. He said he now wants to use that

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<v Speaker 2>speech to bring the country together now. Trump called Zito

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<v Speaker 2>earlier today to check in on her. She had been

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<v Speaker 2>right there at the rally nearby when the shots were fired.

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<v Speaker 2>Have listened to what she had to say about that call,

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<v Speaker 2>and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Asked him if I could interview him, just talk to

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<v Speaker 3>him about those moments and about how this changed him.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's when he said, well, I was going to

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<v Speaker 3>do a speech that was going to be a real humdinger.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's where his exact words. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>everything changed in that moment. He said he was going

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<v Speaker 3>to focus on bringing the country back together. He thought

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<v Speaker 3>that it was very, very important that in that moment

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<v Speaker 3>when that happened to him, he understood this is what

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<v Speaker 3>he was, what he wants to do, what he's supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what, I think it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a real humdigger one way or the other. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be one to watch Friday our time here

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia. Just a reminder, by the way, I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>bringing you a heap of convention coverage Friday night at

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<v Speaker 2>eight pm here on the US Report. But before that, Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>also in that call with Selena Zito, reflected and shared

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of what that moment was like where he

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<v Speaker 2>stood up and raised his fist and what that meant

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<v Speaker 2>and why he did that.

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<v Speaker 4>So it wasn't about him at that moment.

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<v Speaker 3>He wanted to project to those people, and he says

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<v Speaker 3>he loves these people and they are the back.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is a rustbelt area.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a blue collar, white working class, mostly crowd,

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<v Speaker 3>and he wanted to project to the He thought it

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<v Speaker 3>was important to project to the country in that moment

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<v Speaker 3>that everything was okay, that he was okay and the

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<v Speaker 3>country was okay. And I thought that was I thought

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<v Speaker 3>that was really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, God, I want to make too big about a

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<v Speaker 2>deal about this, but remember Donald Trump is a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who could have stayed just being a rich property developer

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<v Speaker 2>who was also a pop TV celebrity, and now because

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<v Speaker 2>of what he wants to do for the country, he

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<v Speaker 2>is getting shot at again because of his vision for America.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that gives a bit of an indication

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<v Speaker 2>of what he's all about, not what CNN and MSNBC

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<v Speaker 2>in the Washington Post tell us we should think he

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<v Speaker 2>is all.

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<v Speaker 1>About so hell of a thing, a hell of a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And meanwhile, on the Democrat side of the polic well,

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon all of that talk since the assassination attempt

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<v Speaker 2>about Biden stepping out of the way for Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 2>all over done. Kamala Harris is not going to step in.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not going to be any contestant convention next month.

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<v Speaker 2>According to multiple reports, Democrats are pretty much resigned now

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<v Speaker 2>to a second Trump term because what happened in Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday night local time has changed the race and made it,

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<v Speaker 2>at least for the moment, all but irrecoverable.

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<v Speaker 1>For the left.

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<v Speaker 2>Things can change, but that's where we are. Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>who may have been calculating behind the scenes now she

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<v Speaker 2>in no way wants to be anywhere near the top

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<v Speaker 2>of a ticket that is likely to hit the wall

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<v Speaker 2>in November. And Democrat power brokers, well, just put yourself

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<v Speaker 2>in their position for a second. Do you think they

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<v Speaker 2>have any appetite for sticking a black woman on the

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<v Speaker 2>ballot and having her lose forty five states in a landslide?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's get to the next issue here point two,

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<v Speaker 2>the Secret Service and just how this whole event could

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<v Speaker 2>have happened. And I gotta say I have the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>respect for the agents who work for the Secret Service

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<v Speaker 2>and pledged to put their bodies on the line to

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<v Speaker 2>protect elected officials and candidates and former presidents and other individuals.

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<v Speaker 2>But as with so many other things these days, well

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the management, that's another story. The

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Service held a bizarre press conference earlier today in

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<v Speaker 2>which they didn't take any questions about the attempt on

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump's life, but instead just talked a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 2>about how it's all good. They don't need to chase

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<v Speaker 2>their plans at all going into the Republican National Convention

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<v Speaker 2>this week in Milwaukee. Secret Service officials went around and

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<v Speaker 2>around with reporters on how they planned to secure the

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<v Speaker 2>convention site, but the answer was always to say, what

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<v Speaker 2>happened this weekend, they said, isn't changing anything.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm the RNSCUP.

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<v Speaker 6>Coordinator, so I can only speak to the national Special

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<v Speaker 6>Security event. The plans that we have in place will

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<v Speaker 6>continue as it is, and we're confident in those plans.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was also this bizarre moment.

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<v Speaker 7>Currently, there are no known articulated threats against the RNC

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<v Speaker 7>or anyway visiting the rn state. That's important because we

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<v Speaker 7>also need to help the public if they see something

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<v Speaker 7>during this time, or I feel uncomfortable with something, Please

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<v Speaker 7>let us know, let your local law enforcement agencies know,

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<v Speaker 7>or the FBI.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to hit or call the FBI?

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<v Speaker 1>Did he just do?

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<v Speaker 2>A guy from the Secret Service? Just do the old

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<v Speaker 2>if you see something, say something routine. I'm sorry, but

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<v Speaker 2>in Pennsylvania, weren't there a bunch of people saying they

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<v Speaker 2>saw something and they were ignored? And we also know

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<v Speaker 2>that other people talk to law enforcement said there's a

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<v Speaker 2>guy up there and nothing was done. Appears Now, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going into this convention and I feel like we

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<v Speaker 2>still don't have a lot of answers to key questions

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<v Speaker 2>about what happened, Like how did some random who lived

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<v Speaker 2>an hour away from the speech site decide with about

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<v Speaker 2>a week's notice that he was going to go and

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<v Speaker 2>take a shot at Donald Trump? How did the shooter

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<v Speaker 2>get up onto that roof? Why wasn't that roof secure?

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<v Speaker 2>What happened between Secret Service and I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely key. What happened between Secret Service and and the

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<v Speaker 2>local law enforcement that was supporting them. That meant there

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<v Speaker 2>was no communication between one another about that threat. Why

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<v Speaker 2>did it take so long to respond? I'm not the

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<v Speaker 2>only one with questions listened to this year from NBC News.

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<v Speaker 8>A senior Secret Service source familiar with the planning of

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<v Speaker 8>yesterday's event tells NBC News that the roof where the

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<v Speaker 8>shooter was located was a well known, high priority vulnerability.

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<v Speaker 8>It was identified just the day before during a security walkthrough.

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<v Speaker 8>We've also just learned that there were two counter sniper

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<v Speaker 8>teams on site and that the counter sniper did not

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<v Speaker 8>need approval to shoot, one source telling NBC News that

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<v Speaker 8>prior protocols were not followed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet the sniper's only return fire after that would be

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<v Speaker 2>assassin squeezed his trigger. What happened here look between when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to the question of is it a stuff

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<v Speaker 2>up or a conspiracy? I think generally the stuff up

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<v Speaker 2>wins nine times out of ten. But it also looks

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<v Speaker 2>like the same war on competence that has damaged so

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<v Speaker 2>many other institutions, both private and public, has also opened

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<v Speaker 2>a front within the Secret Service. We need to know

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<v Speaker 2>why and what the effects of that are. Now, finally,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go to Joe Biden. Joe Biden spoke today from

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<v Speaker 2>the Oval Office, and he tried to pull the United

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<v Speaker 2>States together.

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<v Speaker 9>We Kenna, we must not go down this road in America.

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<v Speaker 9>We've traveled before throughout our history. Violence has never been

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<v Speaker 9>the answer, whether it's with members of Congress and both

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<v Speaker 9>parties being targeted in a shot, or a violent mob

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<v Speaker 9>attacking the Capitol on January sixth, or brutal attack on

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<v Speaker 9>a spouse a former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi,

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<v Speaker 9>information and intimidation on election officials, or the kidnapping plot

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<v Speaker 9>against the city governor. We're an attempted assassination on Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 9>There's no place in America of this kind of violence,

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<v Speaker 9>for any violence ever, period, no exceptions. We can't allow

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<v Speaker 9>this violence to be normalized. You know, the political record

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<v Speaker 9>of this country has gotten very heated. It's time to

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<v Speaker 9>cool it down. We all have a responsibility to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, did you notice something about what he did there?

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<v Speaker 2>He basically talked all about bad behavior by the right,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course that should be condemned, But the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing from the left that he talked about was this

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<v Speaker 2>assassination attempt on Donald Trump. There's so many other things

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<v Speaker 2>we could talk about, and it's great what he's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to say here, but the fact is, Joe Biden and

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats have repeatedly done everything they could do to

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<v Speaker 2>turn up the temperature, to dial up the rhetoric. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>not forget that Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, all the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the senior Democrats right on down the line have

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<v Speaker 2>done so much to dial up America's rhetorical thermostat that

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<v Speaker 2>Biden's sudden call for unity suddenly looks suspiciously like a

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<v Speaker 2>jailhouse conversion. Democrats have based their entire twenty twenty four campaign,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, really their entire reason for being on this

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<v Speaker 2>idea that Donald Trump is some sort of unique and

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<v Speaker 2>scary threat to American democracy. Who if he's elected, the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing is over, Which is why I think it

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<v Speaker 2>is so wild seeing them all send their best wishes

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<v Speaker 2>to a man. Just last week they were calling a

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<v Speaker 2>new American Hitler. This is a great problem for the Democrats.

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<v Speaker 2>Any attempt, any attempt they have, any attempt they make

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<v Speaker 2>to where the temperature takes away from their very reason

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<v Speaker 2>for being. They're all out of other ideas. So the

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<v Speaker 2>big question then for the Democrats, what what on earth

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<v Speaker 2>do they campaign on? I guess we're gonna find out

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<v Speaker 2>soon enough now to unpack this and much more, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to bring in before we get in the panel,

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<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite people and my favorite guests, Deputy

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<v Speaker 2>opinionator of Newsweek magazine, Batia Angar Sargan. So much to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about, Basia, Welcome to Palmriray Live. Now let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this here. What's been going on in the last

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four to thirty six hours. Joe Biden now count

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<v Speaker 2>campaign on the Trump is Hitler idea and his opponent

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<v Speaker 2>has just been the victim of political violence of the

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<v Speaker 2>worst sort. So what do the Democrats now have to

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<v Speaker 2>campaign on? You tell me?

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much for having me, James. It's great

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<v Speaker 4>to be here with you and your viewers. It's a

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<v Speaker 4>really good question. Can I tell you what I've been

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<v Speaker 4>struggling with personally over the last forty eight hours. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>struggling with on the one hand, doing what I personally

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<v Speaker 4>can do to lower the temperature and speak in a

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<v Speaker 4>way that people who disagree with me politically can hear it,

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<v Speaker 4>even perhaps at the expense of the sharpness of my

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<v Speaker 4>analysis because it is critical of them. And then on

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<v Speaker 4>the other hand, telling the truth, James, And the truth

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<v Speaker 4>is this, there are two sides in America. One of

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<v Speaker 4>them is heavily armed, and the other side routinely engages

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<v Speaker 4>in political violence. Okay, that is the truth here. It's

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<v Speaker 4>that the vast majority of political violence in America is

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<v Speaker 4>coming from the left, even though the right is heavily

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<v Speaker 4>armed thanks to the Second Amendment. Meaning they go out

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<v Speaker 4>there on the left and they call their political opponents

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<v Speaker 4>politically violent and a threat to democracy, while relying on

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<v Speaker 4>the forbearance of their heavily armed neighbor to not actually

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<v Speaker 4>engage in political violence. That is the really disgusting thing

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<v Speaker 4>that is happening here. When President Biden goes out there

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<v Speaker 4>and blames all political violence on the right, he knows

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<v Speaker 4>that they will not retaliate. They know that despite an

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<v Speaker 4>attempt on Donald Trump's life, there will not be a

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<v Speaker 4>single riot. Nobody picked up arms. Nobody on the right

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<v Speaker 4>actually wants to see this country devolve into civil war

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<v Speaker 4>because they love this country by and large. And that

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<v Speaker 4>is the real discussing thing here, is not just the

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<v Speaker 4>mendacity and the lying, but the absolute projection of their

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<v Speaker 4>own political crimes onto a side that actually could do

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<v Speaker 4>far more damage due to the Second Amendment, and yet

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't because of their love of this country.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing. Watchia.

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching that speech live earlier today, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm listening to Joe Biden list this sort of laundry

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<v Speaker 2>list of things, and I'm keep on waiting and thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, where's the mention of the riots in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>where's Antifa? Where's the attempt to kidnap and do god

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<v Speaker 2>knows what to justice Bread Kavanaugh? A million other sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of things. And yet you know, there was absolutely nothing there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would say, beyond the violence, patcha, I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>your thoughts on this, there's also that kind of legal

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<v Speaker 2>delegitimization that they do. You know, from the start of

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump presidency it has been all about trying to

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<v Speaker 2>delegitimize him through a bogus Russia hoax and the Steele dossier,

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<v Speaker 2>when the Hunter Biden laptop came out, where they lied

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<v Speaker 2>and they got intelligence agents to lie about it. And

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<v Speaker 2>yet all of this stuff is legal. And yet that

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me to be really sinisterly undermining elections and

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, undermining democracy one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 4>When you have control of the vast majority of American institutions,

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<v Speaker 4>you can enact state violence against individuals through the court system,

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<v Speaker 4>right through jail, through the criminal justice system, through all

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<v Speaker 4>sorts of institutions that are no longer treating Americans equally

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<v Speaker 4>based on their political values. And of course, the media

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<v Speaker 4>does not enact physical violence on people, but it has

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<v Speaker 4>developed this narrative around Donald Trump, which is totally false,

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<v Speaker 4>totally invented, totally made up, that he's a threat to democracy,

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<v Speaker 4>as you say, because they have nothing else to run on,

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<v Speaker 4>and in so doing, they have hidden from the American

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<v Speaker 4>people the truth that you have allowed me to say

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<v Speaker 4>on this show repeatedly, which is that Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 4>a unity candidate. When you look at the policies, these

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<v Speaker 4>are things that are extremely popular with the vast majority

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<v Speaker 4>of Americans. I do hope that he will talk about

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<v Speaker 4>that at the R and C. It's great to hear

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<v Speaker 4>that he's going to focus on unity in his speech.

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<v Speaker 4>But in telling a false story about America and convincing

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<v Speaker 4>millions of Americans that this man is a threat to them,

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<v Speaker 4>the media has done something akin to violence.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's throw forward there. Let's assume that the polls

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<v Speaker 2>are correct, donald Trump wins a second term. Let's assume

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<v Speaker 2>that you know that Axios report today that the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>are in despair that they're going to lose and they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have another second term of Trump comes up.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you expect that a the Democrats will take their

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<v Speaker 2>medicine and go back and say, hey, let's get back

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<v Speaker 2>to working for you know, working people, which we used

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<v Speaker 2>to be the party of fifty years ago. Or do

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<v Speaker 2>you expect that they're going to try and use the

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<v Speaker 2>courts and the bureaucracy and their friends of the media

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<v Speaker 2>to simply undermine a second Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually do think the election is going to be

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<v Speaker 4>closer than the polling is showing today. So it was

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<v Speaker 4>sort of post assassination attempt. Is the bump is going

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<v Speaker 4>to dissipate a lot of people, especially in the top

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<v Speaker 4>twenty percent, really really really don't like Trump, and those

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<v Speaker 4>people show up to vote, and so I do think

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<v Speaker 4>that it'll be closer than you know, I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>people should take their foot off the pedal, despite what

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<v Speaker 4>I consider to be the very pop popular name nature

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<v Speaker 4>of Trump's agenda. You know, honestly, James, what seems to

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<v Speaker 4>me more likely is that Trump will win and then

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<v Speaker 4>the Republicans will do everything they can to go back

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<v Speaker 4>to the pre Trump RNC Nikki Haley Ron the Santas

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<v Speaker 4>version of the party, and then the Democrats will become

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<v Speaker 4>competitive again. That's probably what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll get Romney back in twenty twenty eight. But Batcha,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just ask you finally. One of the things

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<v Speaker 2>I've been really struck by is how, you know, for

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<v Speaker 2>so long, you know, people on the right have been

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<v Speaker 2>being accused of conspiracy theorists. Yet I spend time on

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<v Speaker 2>x or Twitter, and probably bit too much time on

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<v Speaker 2>x or Twitter end up, and it seems like the

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<v Speaker 2>left is now completely consumed by all of these wack

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<v Speaker 2>adoodal conspiracy theories that like, oh, you know, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>states this and had some twenty year old shoot at

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<v Speaker 2>him so you get a good photo at all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, do you think that this paranoid style has

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<v Speaker 2>just overtaken the left of America?

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<v Speaker 8>Now?

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<v Speaker 4>I think people descend into conspiracy theories when they don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to admit the truth. Anybody seriously consider that should

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<v Speaker 4>go and read Malania Trump's letter. It is obvious that

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<v Speaker 4>this is a woman. I mean, to me, it seems

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<v Speaker 4>obvious that this is a woman who begged her husband

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<v Speaker 4>to drop out of the race so that his son

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<v Speaker 4>won't have to grow up without a father. This is

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<v Speaker 4>a real family we're talking about. It's obvious that she

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<v Speaker 4>the pain in her letter at watching her husband almost

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<v Speaker 4>be taken from her was so real. People should really

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<v Speaker 4>go read it. She calls for unity, and honestly, James,

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to keep hearing about how Trump is calling

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<v Speaker 4>for revenge and blah blah blah from the mendacious media.

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<v Speaker 4>He has only called for unity. His camp has only

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<v Speaker 4>called for unity. His wife has called for unity. They

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<v Speaker 4>have called for love and respect for our fellow Americans,

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<v Speaker 4>as opposed to the left, which keeps talking about unity

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<v Speaker 4>but will not take any responsibility for what happened. And

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<v Speaker 4>so keep an eye on that, and your viewers should

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<v Speaker 4>keep watching people like you, James, who tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Bascha. And you know when you

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about you know that letter and said this

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<v Speaker 2>is a woman, I thought, well, the Left can't even

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what a woman is. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between the two sides here. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for your time. We'll catch up again soon. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's time to bring in your favorite Monday panel, Sky

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<v Speaker 2>News contributor Sam Crosby and National Senator Matt Canavan. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you both, gentlemen for joining me. Let's keep on the

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<v Speaker 2>big story this assassination attempt the Prime Minister came down.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought really hard on all of this and the

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<v Speaker 2>attack in a press conferences.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, let's have a look at that.

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<v Speaker 10>This was an inexcusable attack on the democratic value that

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<v Speaker 10>Australians an American share and the freedom that we treasure

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<v Speaker 10>these values once that you're not to countries.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Sam, I actually thought that the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>was far more articulate than Joe Biden was in all

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<v Speaker 2>of that, And I thought that his words and just

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the special nature of Australian politics and he's

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<v Speaker 2>able to go to the shops and go to a

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<v Speaker 2>gig and whatever and not be surrounded by this bubble

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<v Speaker 2>was really I think special. But you know, at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, and he made some really good points about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, this is the same guy

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<v Speaker 2>who's let his electorate office down in Marrickville be closed

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<v Speaker 2>for months by Palestinian protesters. Is there a sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a dichartomy here between the fire words he has said

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of how he's acting in letting some of

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<v Speaker 2>these protests that are affecting our political life keep on running.

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<v Speaker 11>Look, it's a it's a fair point. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 11>what the answer is and whether or not you necessarily

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<v Speaker 11>want to send the AFP in to move the protesters on.

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<v Speaker 11>But I thought his message around lowering the temperature of

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<v Speaker 11>the political debate was a really powerful one and a

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<v Speaker 11>really good one.

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<v Speaker 1>And I won't lie.

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<v Speaker 11>I certainly thought about my own role on this show,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, having a fullsome conversations with, among others, Senator

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<v Speaker 11>Matt Canavan. You know, perhaps maybe I should have a

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<v Speaker 11>bit of a reflection as I think we all should

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<v Speaker 11>about the role as political as the role that political

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<v Speaker 11>commentators that we all play, and you know, to the

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<v Speaker 11>extent that we are all palpable in elevating the political

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<v Speaker 11>temperature in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think I think Sam, we all elevate the

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<v Speaker 2>debate here in Australia here on programs like this, and

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that's what we do. But Matt Canavan and

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of wish we're all here to have a

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<v Speaker 2>big kind of bipart of the group, hug. But Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, let me ask you your thoughts on the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister's remarks. I thought, again, I thought that they

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<v Speaker 2>were very good and articulated, reasonable remarks. But is there

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<v Speaker 2>also a danger that in all of this talk of

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<v Speaker 2>lowering the temperature, that that could be used I guess

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<v Speaker 2>by some in the media or others to start to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, police the bounds of what it's acceptable to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do we draw that fine line, Matt Canavan.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, well, there is a lot and look, yes, you're right,

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<v Speaker 12>I thought the minister's words were entirely appropriate and well made.

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<v Speaker 12>I don't think it's that much of a fine lin.

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<v Speaker 12>I certainly don't have any complaints with you, Sam, and

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<v Speaker 12>I support a robust political debate. We should be willing

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<v Speaker 12>to go into a battle of ideas. The focus should

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<v Speaker 12>always be on the ideas, not the person. I suppose

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<v Speaker 12>summed up in the old saying that you should play

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<v Speaker 12>the ball, not the man. And I think fortunately in

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<v Speaker 12>Australian politics we don't see too much of that. Sometimes,

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<v Speaker 12>of course it can go a little bit hard, but

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<v Speaker 12>it's pretty clean. Whereas you see what's been going on

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<v Speaker 12>in the US, and I've been warning about this for years,

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<v Speaker 12>the increasing your weaponization of their judicial system to go

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<v Speaker 12>after individuals, the ridiculous comparisons of people to fascist dictators.

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<v Speaker 5>All of this sort of.

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<v Speaker 12>Language has led to this environment of the United States, which

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<v Speaker 12>look thankfully, I don't think is reflected.

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<v Speaker 5>Here largely in our political dialogue.

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<v Speaker 12>Seeing pockets of it, though, with the likes of the

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<v Speaker 12>pro Hamas protesters. It's disgraceful and I don't blame the

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:11.119
<v Speaker 12>Prime Minister for that. It's a very difficult issue to

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<v Speaker 12>deal with, but we've got to make sure we do

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<v Speaker 12>not go down this US path of weaponization of judicial systems,

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<v Speaker 12>the politics of personal destruction. It's very corrosive to the society,

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<v Speaker 12>to the politic and let's hope we can't carve our

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<v Speaker 12>own Australian way here while we're being robust but also

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<v Speaker 12>being able to have a beer after the TV cameras

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<v Speaker 12>turned off and we can all have a laugh afterwards.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's exactly right. But I mean, Sam and

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're talking a lot about American politics, but

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<v Speaker 2>this has such huge implications I think for absolutely everything

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to happen in America. What happens in America

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<v Speaker 2>always winds up washing up one way or the other

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<v Speaker 2>here on our shores. What I was talking to my

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<v Speaker 2>previous guest about this, the Democrats have now pulled their ads.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want to be seen to be sort of

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<v Speaker 2>in bad taste capitalizing on all of the sort of

0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 2>the events of the last twenty four hours. But at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, you know, you do have to wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if the Democrats who've campaigned I'd love to ask your

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<v Speaker 2>opinion on this step, what you think, where do they

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<v Speaker 2>go in terms of their messaging when so much of

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<v Speaker 2>their headline messaging has just been vote Democrat, Trump is hitler.

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<v Speaker 2>How do they how do they come up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with a more positive messages of that.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I think you're absolutely right, and I think this

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<v Speaker 11>is one of the many reasons that the Democrats are

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<v Speaker 11>in a little bit of a crotch right now. They

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<v Speaker 11>don't quite know where to go. I think Trump's messaging

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<v Speaker 11>about his speech coming up is interesting, talking about He's

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 11>going to bring the country together. I think the real

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.480
<v Speaker 11>opportunity here is here now for him not just to

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:50.680
<v Speaker 11>capture his base and energize his base. That's done. They're

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:53.919
<v Speaker 11>going to be at the polls in their droves. I

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:56.400
<v Speaker 11>think there is a chance here for him to capture Independence,

0:26:56.880 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 11>which up until yesterday I didn't think was possible. You know,

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:06.000
<v Speaker 11>the Independence would either stay away or vote Democrat. After

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:09.919
<v Speaker 11>I think the sympathy and the outpouring of sympathy for

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:16.240
<v Speaker 11>President Trump, I think the Independents are genuinely up for grabs.

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:18.399
<v Speaker 11>So you're absolutely right. I don't have an answer for

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 11>the Democrats about what they do with their with their message.

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:27.239
<v Speaker 11>You know, the economy is roaring along in America, so

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 11>I think because it's running on these well exactly that

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 11>that was going to be my point for because it's

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 11>such a polarized, two speed economy. If you're part of

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 11>the very lucky groups who have white collar, tech based jobs, yeah,

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 11>your stop portfolio is zooming ahead. If you're part of

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.360
<v Speaker 11>the you know, the great unwashed, the rest of us,

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 11>you know, and the eighty percent of the country, you're

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 11>not experiencing those those games of the s and P

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.639
<v Speaker 11>five hundred and every other measure that economically in the

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:05.119
<v Speaker 11>past has been such if predictors of us returning presidents.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, look, that's the same situation here. You know,

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:10.160
<v Speaker 2>if you've got shares you've got investment properties, you're laughing.

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:12.879
<v Speaker 2>But if you're just you know, a wage earner, you're

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 2>moving backwards. And we've seen that under the Albanesa government.

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 2>But Matt, what do you think though, Matt can of

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<v Speaker 2>it because once you start to dig underneath that message

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Trump is evil, you know, he's the next Hitler, And

0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:28.479
<v Speaker 2>saw how much of that distracted for the fact that

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 2>actually their real policies are really really unpopular because they're

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 2>about you know, the green energy stuff that makes everybody's

0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:39.960
<v Speaker 2>power more expensive. They've got to buy an ev and

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 2>they can't do the things they want to do. It's

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 2>about you know, open borders, especially on the southern border,

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 2>which means you know a lot of chaos, dysfunction in

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the city's crime comes along with it, and of course

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 2>depressing wages. So how much of what we've seen over

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 2>the last few years out of the Democrats is really

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 2>just a where to kind of you know, as Paul

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 2>always says, it's a magician's distraction trick. You know, don't

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>look over here what we're doing, look over here at

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 2>how we will Trump is.

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<v Speaker 1>Look.

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<v Speaker 5>I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 12>I think the Democrats will have to jettison that over

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 12>the top rhetoric now in light of these tragic events,

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 12>in some senses, it may be a blessing for them,

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 12>because I don't think that that sort of microwave to

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 12>scare campaign from the Russia hoax days is doing that much.

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 12>It's not very effective, So maybe it's opportunity for them,

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 12>But I agree with you, it's probably where do they go?

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 5>And they seem a bit shell shocked right now.

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<v Speaker 12>But look, I also think the other thing that you

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 12>haven't said here, and probably the thing that might trump

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 12>if you like, excuse the pun response from the Democrats

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 12>is the so to speak, is the response of Donald

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 12>Trump himself. I mean, the Prime Minister was right that

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:55.239
<v Speaker 12>it was an attack on democracy, but it was an

0:29:55.240 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 12>attack ultimately repelled by the defiance, the resilient ins and

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 12>bravery of Donald Trump. I mean, everybody saw that, and

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 12>pretty much everybody except you most died in the world

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 12>activist democrat is very impressed with how a man who

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 12>had just been shot immediately gets up and shows that

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 12>level of defiance and that's leadership. It's just right there

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 12>on your TV screen and he's running for the leader

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 12>of the free world world and he's just put in

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 12>one of the best job in devies you ever could

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 12>For that, he's shown real leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, look, if you're if you're a g

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 2>or you're putin or somebody like that, and you look

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 2>at Donald Trump's performance, and you look at you know,

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 2>how Joe Biden is going. I think you know he'd

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 2>rather on the other end of the red phone. But

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 2>let's move domestically here, because we have had some big

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 2>domestic news here today. Treasurer Jim Chalmers is now talking

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 2>up a big budget surplus. He's saying that this twenty

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:52.959
<v Speaker 2>twenty three, twenty four foot after your surplus is going

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 2>to be what he says, in the mid teens. Now, Sam,

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 2>this seems very convenient. Is this part of their setup

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<v Speaker 2>for early elections?

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 11>I wouldn't have any idea about that, But I got

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 11>to tell you, I am completely torn on which way

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 11>they should go here. On the one hand, I am

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 11>very much in favor of running up a massive surplus

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 11>and trying to constrain monetary policy as much as possible

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 11>so that interest rates will come down. Putting that money

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 11>into the economy will only put more and more pressure

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 11>on the Reserve Bank to increase interest rates, which is

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 11>incredibly hard on people that simply can't afford increase in

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 11>interest rates. That said, I work every day for charity

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 11>for Vinnie's that sees some of the poorest and most

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 11>marginalized people in society. And so when I hear that

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 11>the federal government is sitting there with billions of dollars

0:31:54.760 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 11>in unaccounted for revenue, I see the faces of people

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 11>that we can only help minorly every day, and we

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 11>can't help the extent that we need to. And I think, Wow,

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:10.239
<v Speaker 11>give some of that to the charitable sector, you know,

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 11>we could do some real good with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, but also maybe give it back to some

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>of us who have been hugely overtached and stung with

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 2>bracket creep every year for the past god and se

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 2>many years. But Matt Canavan, let me just ask you

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 2>about this really quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>So much of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Surplus, it's based on the thing that Leber cleaves to Hey, coal,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a big reason.

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<v Speaker 12>It's a big reason the strength of our resources sector

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 12>has been getting us through these last few years. And effectively,

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 12>the whole government's narrative about their budget approach is built

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 12>off the back of the mining industry, of coal, of ironylre,

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 12>of oil and gas as well. It's not their decisions

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 12>that have delivered these surpluses. In fact, when you drill

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 12>into the budget and go to the table of truth

0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 12>as it's become known on about page ninety of the budget,

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 12>shows that this government has spent more than any government

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 12>over the past in this century, in fact, than two

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:10.160
<v Speaker 12>other examples during COVID of course that was special and Kevin.

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 5>Rudd during the global financial crisis.

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<v Speaker 12>They trump every other government in terms of spending beyond that,

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 12>and they've done that during an inflation.

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 5>Crisis that has fueled that inflation crisis.

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<v Speaker 12>And paradoxically enough, another reason for these boosted unexpected tax

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 12>revenues is that very thing, is it inflation. Inflation is

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:31.600
<v Speaker 12>very good for governments because, as you alluded to in

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 12>the question, James, it pushes people up into high tax brackets.

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 12>You end up paying more in taxes and the government

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 12>gets more from you. So this is not good news

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 12>for the Australian public. We've got to get spending under control.

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<v Speaker 12>Sam's first instinct is right there. I recognize his compassion,

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 12>the good work he does with Saint Vincent's there, but

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 12>we have to get spending out of control to help

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.160
<v Speaker 12>all Australian struggling with the cost of living.

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm loving this, lowering the temperature love and here we're

0:33:56.960 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 2>having it that. You're absolutely right here. Thank you guys

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 2>so much for your time back Canavan, Sam Crosby, thanks

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 2>and Matt you are absolutely right. We will never get

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 2>inflation under control if we do not do something about

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>this fire hose of government spending. Now, don't go anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>after the break, A lot more fun coming up. Stick

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<v Speaker 2>with us here, Christian Abraham and Graham Lloyd will continue

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 2>to break down the historic Trump rally shooting. Do not

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:33.879
<v Speaker 2>go anywhere Paul Murray Live after the break. Welcome back

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:37.400
<v Speaker 2>to the program. James Borrow. Sorry here filling in for

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Paul on Paul Murray Live. Let's continue our debate, and

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 2>joining me now is libertarian commentator Christian Abraham and associate

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 2>editor at The Australian Graham Lloyd. Welcome to both of you. Now, guys,

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry we got to just keep talking about this

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 2>crazy stuff that's been happening in the last thirty six hours.

0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Thank god President Trump is all right, but there's so

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 2>mu much fallout coming out around this. A former staffer,

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 2>a Democrat, sorry, a current Democratic staffer for a Democratic

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:11.919
<v Speaker 2>congresswoman has gotten into an awful lot of trouble for

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.719
<v Speaker 2>her controversial comments saying that she hoped the shooter who

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:19.399
<v Speaker 2>targeted Donald Trump quote wouldn't miss next time.

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 2>This is Jacqueline Marsaw is her name. She put this

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:26.800
<v Speaker 2>on Facebook saying I don't condone violence, but please get

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 2>you some shooting lessons so you don't miss next time. Oops,

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't me talking, now, Graham. I've been seeing not

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:37.680
<v Speaker 2>just her, I've been seeing this from an awful lot

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 2>of people, academics, government staffers, people who should really know better.

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:48.839
<v Speaker 2>What is with this real bitter vitriol at a time

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 2>when Joe Biden and everybody is telling us to lower

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:52.280
<v Speaker 2>the temperature.

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 13>Well, it goes to show the extent to which the

0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:03.800
<v Speaker 13>people are divorced from the reality of what they're talking

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:05.440
<v Speaker 13>about it in the public square.

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:08.800
<v Speaker 1>The thoughts are just abhorrent.

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<v Speaker 13>And the fact that someone would put their name to

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 13>it and put it out into the public really shows

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 13>the extent to which there's been a dehumanizing of political opponents.

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 13>And I think the important thing there is Joe Biden

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 13>and Millenia Trump and others. They've all come forward and

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 13>they've spoken about Donald Trump the person rather than the politician,

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 13>and his sort of likes and hobbies outside of politics,

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:38.879
<v Speaker 13>calling him Donald and I think that's what's been sacrificed

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 13>in the way politics has been conducted, and that leads

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 13>to people thinking it's fine to make these sort of tweets.

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Christian, I'd love to hear what you think

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 2>about this too, because you know, we have a sort

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 2>of situation where people's speech is getting them into real trouble.

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 2>But you know, where do you fall on the free

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 2>speech line. I mean that people can say offensive things,

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 2>but then if they get called out on it, and

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 2>there may be some circumstances where people could you know,

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 2>wind up being canceled on the left, where for years

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 2>now we've been hearing about people being canceled on the rights.

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<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts, Kristen.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, when you have association with an employer or a

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 14>political party, you have the there is the ability for

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:28.560
<v Speaker 14>them to sanction you of some sort for saying those

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 14>kind of things. And apparently she is no longer a

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 14>staffer with the Democrats anymore because of that. And that

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:39.480
<v Speaker 14>is your writer's free speech. You can say what you

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 14>would like to say, but there is also repercussions that

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 14>comes from you saying those things. So who needs international

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 14>enemies when you have everyday citizens in America like that?

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:56.840
<v Speaker 14>And I remember when Donald when Donald Trump got elected,

0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:00.400
<v Speaker 14>my partner, which was a Trump fan, which I was not,

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 14>he told me that Trump could elected and I said,

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 14>don't you think that someone is going to make ans

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 14>have an assassination attempt on Donald Trump? And that just

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:12.840
<v Speaker 14>kind of goes to show where the American politics is

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 14>at that that is such a common discourse in today's

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.400
<v Speaker 14>society that don't you think someone would try to assassinate

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:21.920
<v Speaker 14>Donald Trump? And it's sad. It's sad that our politics

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 14>has gotten to that point.

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:24.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think look, that was the thing

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>that when everything when all those events unfolded thirty six

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:32.240
<v Speaker 2>or so hours ago, that people, you know, were shocked.

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:34.360
<v Speaker 2>But I think an awful lot of people said, you know,

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 2>given the way people speak about this, and you know,

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 2>from Joe Biden on down speak about Donald Trump, is

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 2>anybody actually surprised that this sort of thing would have

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 2>happened but let's stay in the US. And one of

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:48.439
<v Speaker 2>the things that I think is really interesting is here

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:52.799
<v Speaker 2>what is going to happen at this convention? And the

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Secret Service has gone and said they're not planning on

0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:59.760
<v Speaker 2>making any changes to the security arrangements for the convention.

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Have look at this.

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<v Speaker 6>We are confident in these security plans that are in

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 6>place for this event, and we're ready to go. It's

0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:10.240
<v Speaker 6>been an eighteen month process. It's the we've worked together

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 6>over that eighteen months to develop operational security plans for

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 6>any and all assets of security related to this event.

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<v Speaker 1>Graham.

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 2>They seem awfully confident for a bureaucracy and law enforcement

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:25.640
<v Speaker 2>agency that just had a near miss with the absolute

0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 2>worst tragedy that can you know, befall them, which would

0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 2>be the loss of somebody that they're protecting. Are they

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 2>being a bit overconfident? And what do you make of

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:38.800
<v Speaker 2>some of the reports that the Secret Service has become

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:42.319
<v Speaker 2>too obsessed with diversity goals and things like this, and

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 2>it's bureaucracy rather than you know, its endgame of which is,

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, in this case, to protect individuals who are

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 2>connected with the US government.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, certainly the attention has swung immediately to the Sacred

0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 13>Service and whether they've watch this or how it has

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 13>been botched, and of course institutionally they have to say no, Look,

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:08.239
<v Speaker 13>we're very good at what we do, and we have

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:10.440
<v Speaker 13>all the right plans, and everything we were planning to

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 13>do at the convention stays in place and it will

0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 13>all be safe. But as the investigation goes into what

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 13>happened with the shooting incident, we're going to I think

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 13>get a real insight into what's happened there to the

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 13>chain of command, the capacity to protect and other things.

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<v Speaker 13>Because from the videos that I saw from the Wall

0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 13>Street Journal and other places, they certainly had guns trained

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 13>on this shooter before he started firing, and there was

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:43.239
<v Speaker 13>raised earlier in the program that the protocol is to

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:47.480
<v Speaker 13>shoot without approval. Well, that certainly didn't happen. We need

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 13>to know what's who's making the decisions here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Christ what are your thoughts on what we've seen

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 2>and particularly the government and the bureaucratic response. In One

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.600
<v Speaker 2>thing that I've heard is that there's this sort of

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:05.720
<v Speaker 2>link between the Secret Service and Homeland Security and local

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 2>law enforcement, and apparently nobody was talking to each other,

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 2>and you had a lot of people who weren't really

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:13.839
<v Speaker 2>trained for this kind of work doing this. I mean,

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>where do you think the investigation is going to wind

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:18.959
<v Speaker 2>up leading us here?

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<v Speaker 14>Like all big investigations, I don't think it's going to

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.839
<v Speaker 14>end up leading anywhere that gives the American people all

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 14>the world answers. There are two kinds of people with

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 14>work ethic out there. There are the people that turn

0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:37.760
<v Speaker 14>around and go, look, I'm going to go through everything

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 14>with a fine tooth comb and we have diligently work

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:43.279
<v Speaker 14>through making sure that we haven't made another mistake like

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 14>we did previously. And then there's the people that go, well,

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 14>you know, she'll be right, And it's either arrogance or

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 14>laziness or content that kind of makes you have that

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 14>perspective or that approach to it. And it is interesting

0:41:56.600 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 14>how the gunmen could get past the Secret Service at

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 14>that rally. And there's the two ways that I'm looking

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 14>at it is either they went really hard and they

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 14>are absolutely confident because they already had ramped up security

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:15.000
<v Speaker 14>for this conference, or the alternative is they don't want

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.480
<v Speaker 14>to do their job properly and they don't want to

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:21.280
<v Speaker 14>ensure that President Trump is protected as much as he can.

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:22.359
<v Speaker 1>Be well either way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know the most important thing here is

0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 2>that the government gives us absolutely full transparency on what

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:32.720
<v Speaker 2>went wrong, who the shooter was, because anything that seems

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 2>like it's a cover up is just going to feel

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 2>more conspiracies and we do not need that now. Christian Graham,

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:42.279
<v Speaker 2>stick around after the break because we're talking about a

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:48.880
<v Speaker 2>lot more, including wild staff and accusations involving the CFMU.

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:51.320
<v Speaker 2>You're not going to want to miss set. Stick around

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 2>more debate after the break. Welcome back to Paul Murray Live.

0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:01.920
<v Speaker 2>James Borrow here in for the great Man. Joining me

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<v Speaker 2>tonight is libertarian commentator Kristin Abraham and The Australians Associate

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:10.600
<v Speaker 2>editor Graham Lloyd. Both of you thank you so much

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:13.399
<v Speaker 2>here for being on the panel with me on Palbury Live.

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about some domestic politics here, particularly all of

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 2>these wild allegations about the CFMU, Vike's links, alleged links

0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:29.200
<v Speaker 2>between organized crime and the construction division of this union.

0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Kristin Abraham, You've got I think some thoughts on this.

0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I would love to hear what you have to say.

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<v Speaker 14>Thanks James, and thank you for having me and asking

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 14>this question. I've been waiting a long time to talk

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:46.399
<v Speaker 14>about the CFMU, so thank you. I want to start

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 14>by saying that Setka, John Satka, bit the hand that

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:53.840
<v Speaker 14>feeds him and the Labor Party has retaliated because of this.

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 14>And I'll preface what I'm about to say with this

0:43:56.520 --> 0:44:03.280
<v Speaker 14>is my opinion. It's alleged in twenty two that the

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 14>Labor Party made a deal with the CFMEU and John

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 14>Sadka to abolish the abccs so that the CFMEU put

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:16.280
<v Speaker 14>support behind Anthony Albneasy. Now, the Labor Party is renowned

0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 14>for keeping their promises, and sure enough, when they got

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:25.400
<v Speaker 14>elected they abolished the ABCC the Australian Building and Construction Commission,

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 14>which had been giving the cfme you greef for the

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 14>behavior that they were engaging, and they had taken them

0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:33.040
<v Speaker 14>to court so many times. And the reason why I'm

0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:35.560
<v Speaker 14>telling you this is as a HR professional, as someone

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:39.279
<v Speaker 14>that specializes in employerer relations and industrial relations, and that

0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 14>in my free time I engage heavily in politics.

0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I am well.

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<v Speaker 14>Acquainted with the cfmeu's antics that has been ongoing. Setka

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 14>overplayed his hand, though he publicly threatened the AFL had

0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 14>umpire and said that he would delay AFL projects because

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 14>that this floke worked at the ABCC. And so now

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 14>this public threat, Labor Party has had nothing but to retaliate.

0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:11.400
<v Speaker 14>And they haven't all of a sudden uncovered all of

0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:14.760
<v Speaker 14>this information. They have always known where the bodies were buried.

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:18.760
<v Speaker 14>They have always known, or allegedly always known that there

0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:21.560
<v Speaker 14>was this kind of criminal conduct in the Labor Party

0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 14>in the cf MEU, but it had served the Labor

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:28.320
<v Speaker 14>Party's purpose and now it doesn't anymore because these public

0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 14>threats have come out and the tail is now wagging

0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:34.600
<v Speaker 14>the dog, and they have bitten back really hard. And

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 14>I'm glad that the Labor Party is biting back really hard,

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:39.839
<v Speaker 14>because I'll give you an example. In twenty twenty two,

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:42.400
<v Speaker 14>we had the Victorian state election and the federal election,

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:46.680
<v Speaker 14>and the CFMU took their workers into the lunch room

0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 14>and they said, look, the Labor Party is the reason

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:50.920
<v Speaker 14>why we get these jobs. They're the reason why we

0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 14>get the contracts, and they're the reason why you stay

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 14>employed in civil construction. So you should be voting for

0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 14>the Labor Party in twenty twenty two. So that to me,

0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 14>is not a union that's a mob.

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Look, I mean and it's absolutely you know, these links

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 2>between labor and the CFMU and what the CFMU is

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 2>alleged to do to make the cost of construction and

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:14.680
<v Speaker 2>everything else so much higher.

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Graym lloyd, Is there a.

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Real problem with the links between the ALP and the CFMU.

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 13>Well, I think there's a real problem to the extent

0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:29.800
<v Speaker 13>that the CFMAU is getting a priority treatment in government

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 13>contracts and the costs of those projects is costing tax

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:39.600
<v Speaker 13>payers a lot of money. I think to reinforce what

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:42.799
<v Speaker 13>was just said of John Secker three weeks ago was

0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 13>telling the Prime Minister to stay in his lane and

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:50.200
<v Speaker 13>remember who appoints MPs, and that's the Union, not the government.

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 13>So Tony Burke, as the relevant Minister, has no option

0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 13>but to show that the government is in control of this,

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 13>not the union move. But we basically have an organization

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:09.520
<v Speaker 13>that inflates costs and allegedly has been infiltrated by organized

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:12.240
<v Speaker 13>crime and violence. It needs to be sorted out.

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, indeed, absolutely right now, Look, I want to just

0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:16.400
<v Speaker 2>finish on a late note here. We've been dealing with

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 2>an awful lot of heavy stuff here tonight. It has

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:23.440
<v Speaker 2>been confirmed that King Charles the Third and Queen Camilla

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:28.040
<v Speaker 2>are set to visit Australia and Samoa in October. Now

0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.040
<v Speaker 2>they're going to come and they're going to be a

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 2>beautiful act and New South Wales.

0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Graham.

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 2>It's Charles's first visit to Australia since twenty eighteen.

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Are you excited?

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<v Speaker 13>Well?

0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:41.320
<v Speaker 5>Excited?

0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:44.560
<v Speaker 13>It probably isn't the word, James. But it's remarkable, isn't

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:47.360
<v Speaker 13>it the will of time?

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Charles?

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:54.720
<v Speaker 13>Now, King Charles has been dismissed, overlooked, reinvented and rehabilitated

0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 13>so many times. But I must say he seems now

0:47:57.239 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 13>to be on a bit of a high. So a

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:00.759
<v Speaker 13>lot of people want to see.

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:05.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm ambivalent and Christind Abraham, what do you think there

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.400
<v Speaker 2>seems to be Victoria seems to have missed out in

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:09.520
<v Speaker 2>the itinerary.

0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:10.880
<v Speaker 1>What do you reckon on that? Real quick?

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 14>Well, I want to take this opportunity to formally invite

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:18.040
<v Speaker 14>them to Victoria if they're not going to come. As

0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:20.799
<v Speaker 14>a young person, we can kind of feel disconnected from

0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 14>the monarchs from time to time. So there is a

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:26.880
<v Speaker 14>part of our Australia or Victorian history and an institution

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:32.440
<v Speaker 14>sure revolver upstairs. You're in Victoria, yarakay be great for

0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 14>young people.

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.279
<v Speaker 1>If I would love to see you.

0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Charles the third ed Cavilla to a revolver, that would

0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:43.400
<v Speaker 2>be absolutely amazing. Guys, thank you so much, Christ and

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Abraham Graham Lloyd, thanks for your time tonight and thank

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:47.959
<v Speaker 2>you for joining me on Palmurray Live.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned now for the late debate