Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live, Thank you, Sharry, Yes,
Speaker 1: very powerful television tomorrow and Josh Friedenberg seven o'clock easton
Speaker 1: into Sharry straight after, who will of course have her
Speaker 1: traditional spectacular take, and she continues to move the ball
Speaker 1: forward on fearless stories. I love that lady, and I'm
Speaker 1: so pleased that she's there as the main meal to
Speaker 1: our dessert, the entree to our main meal. I don't
Speaker 1: care how you're eit it, as long as you eat
Speaker 1: the full buffet, which goes of course from Chris Kenny
Speaker 1: all the way to read a penny before we've done
Speaker 1: each and every night. Now it is a public holiday
Speaker 1: in the Act today. Did you not notice that we
Speaker 1: were without public service for a bit of day today
Speaker 1: because it's the start of Reconciliation Week, and today Reconciliation
Speaker 1: Day took place with all sorts of wonderful activities that
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're entertaining to everyone who was involved there.
Speaker 1: But of course the reason Reconciliation Day, which always is
Speaker 1: a public hold, but is particularly marked at the moment,
Speaker 1: it's because, of course, the Act was the only place
Speaker 1: that voted yes last year in the Prime Minister's four
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollar referendum. The only place in
Speaker 1: the country that voted yes Dor then territory where the
Speaker 1: indigenous population is quite significant, no where the paternalistic lefties
Speaker 1: are well banged. Of course, a big win. And there's
Speaker 1: lots of events that will take place in Canberra, not
Speaker 1: just today but all week about Reconciliation Week, and school
Speaker 1: kids will be seeing this, that and the other, and
Speaker 1: lots of speeches. But what about outside of Canbra How
Speaker 1: are some people recognizing Reconciliation Week. Well, of course there's
Speaker 1: again events and speeches and all the rest of it,
Speaker 1: but what about what's happening in our schools? This dad
Speaker 1: took to TikTok to explain exactly what your kids and
Speaker 1: grandkids are being told to do behind closed doors by
Speaker 1: the same people who teach them one plus one equals too.
Speaker 2: My seven year old daughter came home today and she
Speaker 2: told me that her and her classmates had to participate
Speaker 2: in a group apology to the Stolen Generation.
Speaker 1: Seriously, now, as you know, I've got a six year
Speaker 1: old and I've got a nine year old. I don't
Speaker 1: know what happens in their classes, you know, I've been
Speaker 1: in parks with the past couple of days, but I'll
Speaker 1: certainly be asking them about it tomorrow. I certainly like
Speaker 1: their teachers, and I don't expect that nonsense happening at
Speaker 1: their school, which is a public school. But clearly people
Speaker 1: are again trying to tell the story of Australia to
Speaker 1: the youngest people amongst us in a certain way. That
Speaker 1: means it will be inevitable that it is invasion day,
Speaker 1: that there is no story whatsoever about every day after
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy, after seventeen eighty eight. Instead, these of course
Speaker 1: will become the future Greens voters, and then the future
Speaker 1: labor staffers, and then eventually the people that will be
Speaker 1: around in labor governments. But again that dad continues.
Speaker 2: Now, I have no problem with any of my children
Speaker 2: learning about it. That's completely fine. What I won't tolerate,
Speaker 2: and what I won't accept, is any of my children
Speaker 2: being forced to apologize for something that they had absolutely
Speaker 2: nothing to do with.
Speaker 1: What is unreasonable? What is unreasonable about what he said?
Speaker 1: And it's exactly how I feel, which is all of
Speaker 1: us wanted our kids to learn the truth, the real truth,
Speaker 1: as uncomfortable as it all is. But also we want
Speaker 1: to make sure that we have a scenario that every kid,
Speaker 1: regardless of their background, regardless of whether they have links
Speaker 1: to sixty thousand years or sixty days in the country,
Speaker 1: that they realize that together the history book is nothing
Speaker 1: but blank pages. It is to be written on together.
Speaker 1: There's not a margin drawn into every page two hundred
Speaker 1: years into the future with what, of course took place
Speaker 1: more than two hundred years ago. But I've got to say,
Speaker 1: I think this dad speaks on the behalf of all
Speaker 1: dads and granddads when they hear this stuff. Okay, look,
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. I understand. Maybe not
Speaker 1: the way I was taught, maybe not the way my
Speaker 1: parents were taught, but I get it. My kids are
Speaker 1: going to learn slightly differently. But I agree when he
Speaker 1: says this.
Speaker 2: Stop playing your woke games with our children. Our children
Speaker 2: are already being welcome to the country that they're born in,
Speaker 2: and now they're being told that they're personally responsible for
Speaker 2: those horrific events.
Speaker 1: Now here's what I guarantee. I don't know anything else
Speaker 1: about that guy. Apart from that TikTok video. I don't
Speaker 1: know anything else that's on his feed and anything else,
Speaker 1: but I guarantee you there'll be the little lefty hit
Speaker 1: job that's going to come out and work out or
Speaker 1: he said this thing two weeks ago and this thing through.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: That point there is what I focus on, and that
Speaker 1: I think is what the majority of people watching this
Speaker 1: program would agree with. Now the Prime Minister plays into
Speaker 1: this story because what was it that is one of
Speaker 1: his central promises and reasons for being where you can
Speaker 1: check his own Twitter feed to find that, the same
Speaker 1: Twitter feed that of course told us they were going
Speaker 1: to do something about cost of living. But still Australians
Speaker 1: deserve a government that leads and brings the country together,
Speaker 1: not one that divides us against each other. From the
Speaker 1: bloke who spent four hundred and fifty million dollars on
Speaker 1: a national conversation that you bet you divided people where
Speaker 1: the people surrounding the Prime Minister called people dinosaurs, dickheads, racists,
Speaker 1: you get it, when it ended up being the majority
Speaker 1: of the population. Again, the Prime Minister very clear here,
Speaker 1: my priority is to bring Australians together. Take your pick
Speaker 1: that a vision has never been worse, and of course
Speaker 1: all on his watch. Now a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister went to Ukraine where he carried with
Speaker 1: him the blank check on the behalf of our country
Speaker 1: to support Ukraine in its war with Russia. Now again,
Speaker 1: before the lefties run off and go oh that's a
Speaker 1: talking point, right wing talking point. He wants to abandon you. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not pro Russia in any way, shape
Speaker 1: or form. Right, Let's be very clear, they're the bad
Speaker 1: guys in this fight, okay. And Australia, well, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: putting our money, but do we really need the selfies
Speaker 1: that go along with it. Well, of course we do,
Speaker 1: because this bloke is all about the selfie, all about
Speaker 1: the image. Right. But it couldn't be clearer. Olbows all
Speaker 1: in on helping Ukraine, right.
Speaker 4: Will remain with you for as long as this takes.
Speaker 1: So could somebody please explain that something that Australia has
Speaker 1: an awful lot of, which is coal, and the Ukrainians
Speaker 1: have asked us, not one, not two, not four, but
Speaker 1: six months ago for coal to be used in their
Speaker 1: power stations so they can keep the lights on and
Speaker 1: keep society as close to normal as possible in the
Speaker 1: middle of a war when they are being attacked relentlessly
Speaker 1: by Russia that we are ignoring the plea. Now again,
Speaker 1: this is not a Prime minister who's wanting to sit
Speaker 1: on the sidelines. He's willing to go to Ukraine. Cut
Speaker 1: all the president, take the photo ops, hand over the money,
Speaker 1: Well why not the coal. Let's read from the stories
Speaker 1: which are around today in the Channel nine newspapers. The
Speaker 1: stark reality is, and this of course is the Ukrainian
Speaker 1: ambassador speaking here, is that the stark reality is that
Speaker 1: no power plant in Ukraine has been exempt from Russian
Speaker 1: targeting or not sustained damage. This is having a direct
Speaker 1: impact on the Ukrainian people's quality of life. You would
Speaker 1: appreciate the need for energy security, including ensuring Ukraine's remaining
Speaker 1: hydro thermal generation capacity Kulfi power plants has increased as
Speaker 1: a result of the most recent wave of attacks. Therefore,
Speaker 1: I ask again for Australia's consideration. This is a letter
Speaker 1: from the Ukrainian government to the Australian government. Now, Penny Wong,
Speaker 1: of course, is an answering questions about all of this.
Speaker 1: Who knows what she's up to right now, But spokespeople
Speaker 1: on her behalf say this a spokesperson for the Department
Speaker 1: of Foreign Affairs and Trade. The Australian government is actively
Speaker 1: considering ways in which we can provide additional support to
Speaker 1: meet Ukraine's hype priority needs. Well, here's an idea. They've
Speaker 1: asked for our coal. They asked for it six months ago,
Speaker 1: five four, three, two one now months ago, yet Australia
Speaker 1: doesn't reply. Now, of course we all know that the
Speaker 1: enlightened left where they can't stand coal. But if it
Speaker 1: is literally the difference between keeping the lights on or
Speaker 1: not in Ukraine, and we're supposed to be on the
Speaker 1: side of Ukraine, could somebody explain why we are not
Speaker 1: doing this. Deputy Prime Minister was out and about today
Speaker 1: he was asked in surprise surprise word salad came back.
Speaker 5: Well, again, we work really closely with the Ukrainian government
Speaker 5: about how best we can provide support and provide it
Speaker 5: in a practical way. There's an absolute understanding in the
Speaker 5: conversations that we have with Ukraine about the support we're
Speaker 5: providing and how best we can do it, and that
Speaker 5: includes both military and non military support. The support that
Speaker 5: we are providing now is very much focused on military
Speaker 5: support around allowing Ukraine to prosecute this conflict with Russia,
Speaker 5: and that is where our focus is, and that is
Speaker 5: where Ukraine wants our focus to be.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, they want that focus, but they also
Speaker 1: want our coal. I keep using the term gas lighting
Speaker 1: because it's what evil people do to tell you that
Speaker 1: down is up and eventually you start to question yourself. No,
Speaker 1: the straight here, the black and white. The easy to
Speaker 1: understand is that the Ukrainian ambassador has leaked the letter
Speaker 1: to the newspaper because the government has not responded to
Speaker 1: the request for coal for six months. Yeah, the Deputy
Speaker 1: Prime Minister turns around and says, well, we're actively working
Speaker 1: with them and we're giving them what they want. No,
Speaker 1: you're not how many issues, how many days, how many months?
Speaker 1: Is this always the way where the government just pretends
Speaker 1: that what you can see with your your own two
Speaker 1: eyes you can't see that you are supposed to completely
Speaker 1: ignore what is before your own eyes, which is that
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian ambassador wants kal the Australian government won't give
Speaker 1: it to him. Why who knows if it's all linked
Speaker 1: to climate change and all the rest of it. I'll
Speaker 1: give you the tip when your country is being invaded
Speaker 1: by Russia, the priority of electric cars and renewable energy
Speaker 1: goes out the back door. If this is the technology
Speaker 1: that is required to keep the lights on so they
Speaker 1: can plan the defense of their own country, give them
Speaker 1: the kaal. We'll talk about it. We've sent it a
Speaker 1: Matt Cannavan in a couple of moments time and what
Speaker 1: is going to be a big time debate tonight this
Speaker 1: Monday here on Paulmurray Life. Now we know where this
Speaker 1: government is headed and it is most likely towards minority status.
Speaker 1: Now their assumption is that they can and bs and
Speaker 1: buy their way out and somehow hold on to a majority.
Speaker 1: But unlike previous governments which have had ninety MPs when
Speaker 1: they get swept into office, meaning they can make some
Speaker 1: unpopular decisions, burn a backbench, but still be in majority.
Speaker 1: This mob, remember, only won seventy seven seats of the election.
Speaker 1: They won a by election after that, so they have
Speaker 1: seventy eight seats in the parliament, which means they do
Speaker 1: not have a massive backbench to burn. And every single
Speaker 1: first term government in modern Australian history loses grounded their
Speaker 1: first election. Now they may well come back at the second,
Speaker 1: or the third, or the fourth and become bigger and
Speaker 1: stronger and stronger. Remember John Howard won in ninety ninety six,
Speaker 1: or the massive backbench. He burnt a lot of it
Speaker 1: in ninety eight, but then he even after losing the
Speaker 1: popular vote to Kim Beazley and Labry ninety ninety eight,
Speaker 1: he ended up winning the upper and lower houses in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four. But the history tells us that
Speaker 1: the most likely outcome of the next federal election is
Speaker 1: the Labor Party losing seats, and when they don't have
Speaker 1: that many to lose, we are talking about the almost
Speaker 1: inevitability of a minority government. Now, the Prime Minister will
Speaker 1: try to tell you that he deserves to remain a
Speaker 1: majority government because they're giving thirty six dollars a week
Speaker 1: in average tax cuts and twenty five dollars a month
Speaker 1: in credits to power companies to take it off your bill.
Speaker 4: We've said that our priority is cost of living, putting
Speaker 4: that downward pressure on inflation.
Speaker 1: But how many times have we shown you, We shown
Speaker 1: you the data, we show you the reality. Too little,
Speaker 1: too late for an awful lot of people around the country.
Speaker 1: Just a quarter, remember, a quarter of the electorate says
Speaker 1: that the budget is actually going to help them positively
Speaker 1: when it comes to the cost of living. So they're
Speaker 1: all out there talking what they talk, but the reality
Speaker 1: on the ground is the government is certainly not living
Speaker 1: up to what it promised to be. Now, there's always
Speaker 1: a question after a first term government. Well, we don't
Speaker 1: have a great history of getting rid of first term government,
Speaker 1: no matter how bad they can actually be. So yes,
Speaker 1: the minority question is just how deep do they go
Speaker 1: in a minority? Now, they'll be a couple of independence.
Speaker 1: If they're just a couple of seats short, then we'll
Speaker 1: be able to put them back in. And they're not
Speaker 1: particularly controversial, so they're not going to go that far
Speaker 1: to the left. But the more seats they lose, the
Speaker 1: further out to the left they have to go through
Speaker 1: the Teals over to the Greens to stay in any
Speaker 1: sort of power. So poll in the Financial Review today
Speaker 1: really fascinating about how their data of this worked. It's
Speaker 1: a mix of sensus information. It's a lot deeper than
Speaker 1: just hey, if an election was held this weekend, what
Speaker 1: would you do now? The suggestion is that Labor would
Speaker 1: lose seats right and they would be able to hold
Speaker 1: onto seventy three so they're well and truly going to
Speaker 1: be in the box seat for minority government. That's the reality,
Speaker 1: because the Teals don't look like they're going to go anywhere.
Speaker 1: The Liberal Party will win a little here, lose a
Speaker 1: little there, and I'll get into that detail in a
Speaker 1: second or two, but basically they're not going to be
Speaker 1: able to get any win near the seventy six. So
Speaker 1: this is how I've mentioned for the whole time about
Speaker 1: our dissatisfaction and disappointment and agro at times with the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister, is that we're also sensible enough to know
Speaker 1: that the only way the coalition starts to get competitive
Speaker 1: is if there's some sort of data that shows this
Speaker 1: that the Teals are melting away. Now, if the Teals
Speaker 1: melt away, then that fifty three number quickly moves into
Speaker 1: the sixties, and then there's a whole bunch of seats
Speaker 1: which in this margin are referred to as too close
Speaker 1: to call. But let's have a look here again with
Speaker 1: some detail. Had four or one thousand voters to who
Speaker 1: they spoke to, and then they mapped on a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of data on top of that, released the year
Speaker 1: aut from the election. The pole of four thousand and
Speaker 1: forty voters across every lower House electorate shows the Coalition
Speaker 1: is on track to win some Labour seats like Robertson
Speaker 1: on the Central Coast Gilmore, which of course Andrew Constance
Speaker 1: is going for after getting votes towards him at a
Speaker 1: time when the Limbs were losing them at the last election,
Speaker 1: and they'd be able to continue on in being pretty
Speaker 1: popular in Tasmania. Getting Lines which is the seat about
Speaker 1: the middle of Tasmania, the opposition looks like they haven't
Speaker 1: been able to sweep away the Teals. That said, in
Speaker 1: all of this there's nine seats that are referred to
Speaker 1: as too close to call. Now again, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to sit hit to night and tell you which way
Speaker 1: they're going to fall. But in all of that polling,
Speaker 1: fifty fifty fifty fifty fifty fifty fifty fifty fifty to fifty,
Speaker 1: seat after seat after seat after seat. So the difference
Speaker 1: between a government being able to have a historic victory
Speaker 1: where they grow the number of people on their back bench,
Speaker 1: or they are pushed into such a position of minority
Speaker 1: that the Koks end up in charge rather than the
Speaker 1: Koks who are already in charge well, we'll all wait
Speaker 1: and see together. But the data, the data, the data
Speaker 1: is what we like to follow on this show, no
Speaker 1: matter at times how disappointing it may be. We'd all
Speaker 1: like to see a change in government, certainly I would.
Speaker 1: I think this current mod's terrible and I think you'll
Speaker 1: turn Any prime minister will do an excellent job. But
Speaker 1: we follow the data. But it is close, very close.
Speaker 1: Nine seats, those nine seats, if they all go Labour's way,
Speaker 1: they bash way past the majority threshold. But the likelihood
Speaker 1: is that some of those fifty fifties, of course go
Speaker 1: the Coalition. But it's all about the Teals, whether they
Speaker 1: roadblock them or not. Now I know everyone else has
Speaker 1: had something to say about this, And there's a very
Speaker 1: sort of clever little trick that they use over at
Speaker 1: Channel two, which is that if all of the programs
Speaker 1: at SKYE News at Night mention the same story, they
Speaker 1: say they've talked about it for five hours in a row. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, I'm not in charge of what
Speaker 1: the hour before says, and I'm not in charge of
Speaker 1: what the hour after me says, and I'm not in
Speaker 1: charge of what's two hours And you get the point right,
Speaker 1: But sometimes there are just stories that we know you're
Speaker 1: going to be interested, and yes, we're all going to
Speaker 1: have our little take on it. And a perfect example
Speaker 1: of that is Lefty Laura Tingle and what she had
Speaker 1: to say at the Lefty Sydney Writer's Festival. Now, of
Speaker 1: course she was among the lovies, and she is one
Speaker 1: of the great high priestesses of ABC loveiness. At the moment,
Speaker 1: she's the president of the National Press Club, she's on
Speaker 1: the board of the ABC, so she's right at the
Speaker 1: tippy top of her power. And she had plenty to
Speaker 1: say at the Writer's Festival, of course, all about big
Speaker 1: bad Peter Dutton and specifically the immigration conversation where Peter
Speaker 1: Dutton has decided that this country can take a little
Speaker 1: break from the record numbers of people that have been
Speaker 1: coming into the country so infrastructure and the housing industry
Speaker 1: can catch up.
Speaker 6: We are a racist calcule. It's face that we always
Speaker 6: have been, and it's very depressing. But to give a
Speaker 6: license like that I find profoundly depressing and a terrible
Speaker 6: prospect for the next election.
Speaker 1: Now, further to all of this, an incredible bit of
Speaker 1: sort of I've got to be honest racism comes out
Speaker 1: of her concern about racism. Let me play you this
Speaker 1: bit that you may not have heard thus.
Speaker 6: Far for a major point the colly that us been saying,
Speaker 6: as Nicky says, you know everything that's going right with
Speaker 6: countries because of migrants, and you know a sudden flaship
Speaker 6: people turning up to try to read a property or
Speaker 6: at an auction and they look a bit different. What
Speaker 6: have you defined different as that? Basically he has given
Speaker 6: them license to be abused.
Speaker 1: That is extraordinary. It's extraordinary because when's the last time
Speaker 1: she ever actually ventured outside the OsO white Canberra bubble.
Speaker 1: Because anyone in any part of suburban Australia, but the
Speaker 1: capital cities of New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, you can
Speaker 1: name the rest. There are people of all different backgrounds,
Speaker 1: with all different parents from all different parts of the
Speaker 1: world who were born in Australia. There is no one
Speaker 1: who is turning around and getting ready to abuse use
Speaker 1: somebody who quote unquote looks different than Laura Tingle and
Speaker 1: blame them for the house in Christ? Are they serious?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 1: The reality again of the policy that Peter Dutton is
Speaker 1: putting in place, I'll get to in a second. But
Speaker 1: if honestly the dog whistle from the left is that
Speaker 1: if you have any conversation whatsoever about whether infrastructure or
Speaker 1: the existing housing market can just take another one hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand, three hundred thousand people onto it without
Speaker 1: creating massive strain, Well that's a deliberate attempt to change
Speaker 1: a subject. The idea that it's Peter Dutton's got some
Speaker 1: special dog whistle that can only be heard by the
Speaker 1: racists of Australia who will turn on the people who
Speaker 1: look different than Laura Tingle is an outrageously racist thing
Speaker 1: to say, and it shows the sign of a person
Speaker 1: who thinks that the suburbs are just full of people
Speaker 1: who all look the same like her, because maybe that's
Speaker 1: the last time she actually went into the suburbs. Whereas
Speaker 1: anyone who's grown up in the suburbs knows that they're
Speaker 1: best mates. Parents might have come from Malaysia, but the
Speaker 1: kid is just as Aussie as you are, or the
Speaker 1: parents are just as Ousie as your I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: oh no, it's Peter Duttonheath's just doing the dog whistle.
Speaker 1: But also what I find weird here is that I've
Speaker 1: never seen a major party blame everything on migration. Well,
Speaker 1: where was she when the prime minister her clearly preferred
Speaker 1: prime minister, even though I'm pretty sure she votes Greens,
Speaker 1: so eventually second preference. The Abanezi government is cutting immigration.
Speaker 1: Now I don't believe they'll actually end up cutting it
Speaker 1: by the numbers of their promise, but they're cutting immigration.
Speaker 1: And what does this prime to say is one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why we need to cut the number of
Speaker 1: people that are coming into the country. Oh, that's right, housing.
Speaker 4: This is a response to the fact the system is broken.
Speaker 4: Do you think the.
Speaker 8: Decision then would help housing pressures, for instance, to go
Speaker 8: to one.
Speaker 4: Time and in addition to that, as well as the
Speaker 4: additional investment that we are putting into housing. Of course,
Speaker 4: that is part of the context of what we're dealing
Speaker 4: with here.
Speaker 1: He says it's housing. Yet she goes to the Writer's
Speaker 1: Festival and it's all Peter Dutton, Peter Dutt and Peter
Speaker 1: Dutton a book, all of that rubbish. And again I
Speaker 1: just can't get back to this sort of odd little
Speaker 1: account of racism where she thinks the suburbs actually look
Speaker 1: like and how a whole bunch of white people are
Speaker 1: just waiting to turn on the person who looks different.
Speaker 1: So the Prime Minister is going to cut immigration because
Speaker 1: of housing. The old position leader is going to had
Speaker 1: it even deeper when it comes to housing. But the
Speaker 1: policy that she didn't talk about in what the clip
Speaker 1: we've heard, she says it somewhere else in the speech.
Speaker 1: I'm gladly correct myself. But in all the comments we've heard.
Speaker 1: Of course, his policy on top of that is no
Speaker 1: foreign buyers are going to be allowed into the country,
Speaker 1: which is not an attack on people of a certain
Speaker 1: ethnic or religious group. It doesn't matter whether somebody's multiple
Speaker 1: generations looking like Laura Tingle from the United States or
Speaker 1: the UK. Foreign buyers means anyone not in the country.
Speaker 1: So the idea is that right now, when the rental
Speaker 1: situation is so terrible that literally lines around the block
Speaker 1: and more than one hundred people looking in every place
Speaker 1: that's available in semi regional places like Ipswich, that trying
Speaker 1: to take some people off that queue means there's a
Speaker 1: great chance that if you are looking at a property,
Speaker 1: you might be able to apply for the property and
Speaker 1: hopefully get their property. Secondly, if you're only competing against
Speaker 1: your fellow Australians, regardless of what they look like, Laura,
Speaker 1: regardless of what language they may will have spoken at home, Laura,
Speaker 1: But you're not competing against somebody who's got the bluetooth
Speaker 1: in their ear and they've just got a bit of
Speaker 1: cashed up money from overseas. Then that's good for the
Speaker 1: people that are trying to buy houses. For her part,
Speaker 1: you Senter Price, who always is a great way of
Speaker 1: cutting through all this garbage and going up and over
Speaker 1: the top. She nails it on the behalf of normal people.
Speaker 7: I'm really disappointed in this continued narrative that is being
Speaker 7: pushed within our country that does not provide any sense
Speaker 7: of pride. It absolutely creates the vision and we had
Speaker 7: enough of it during the referendum and leading journalists, well
Speaker 7: supposedly leading journalists like Laura Tingle should know better than
Speaker 7: to use that sort of red trick.
Speaker 1: But I'll be honest. I was talking to the team
Speaker 1: that put the show together and do we talk about this?
Speaker 1: Do we not talk about this? Not because other shows
Speaker 1: may or may not have talked about it, but because
Speaker 1: I make an absolute promise to you, nothing's going to
Speaker 1: happen to her. Instead, she'll end up going to the
Speaker 1: award shows and being showered with more awards. She'll be
Speaker 1: able to do a whole bunch of side gigs where
Speaker 1: you get paid to give speeches or to sit on panel,
Speaker 1: you know, all of that stuff, right, She'll be able
Speaker 1: to write even more so, and because they're responding to
Speaker 1: the response, then we're wrapping our arms around nothing will happen.
Speaker 1: But I'll just say this as a little bit of
Speaker 1: a media critique. Now, I totally understand, totally accept and
Speaker 1: totally agree about the cultural worth of the institution that
Speaker 1: is the ABC. I also understand the importance of its
Speaker 1: role in news and particularly long form current affairs. But
Speaker 1: what annoys me is that the people who are supposedly
Speaker 1: sitting in the middle, being independent and are able to
Speaker 1: have side gigs that only come about because of the
Speaker 1: main gig, where they tell us all their opinions and
Speaker 1: then pretend they don't have those opinions when they go
Speaker 1: on air in the same way that they are told
Speaker 1: please don't just splurt out what you think about the
Speaker 1: world on social media, because it affects how people view
Speaker 1: you when you're on our television, our radio, our communication network.
Speaker 1: The same should exist when people go off and do
Speaker 1: the little side gigs at the Sydney Writers' Festival or
Speaker 1: the Festival of Dangerous the Ideas or Vivid or any
Speaker 1: of the other seven hundred places where all these people
Speaker 1: get to say that they're really courageous because everyone agrees
Speaker 1: with them every time. Now I know how this plays out,
Speaker 1: where of course we'll be searching for the reason to
Speaker 1: have a little cracket Sky News or a little crack
Speaker 1: at the fat bloke on Telly. And that's fine. I
Speaker 1: don't have a glass jaw, come as hard as you want,
Speaker 1: but someone somewhere should realize that it's a little out
Speaker 1: of when you're able to be basically a star on
Speaker 1: Channel nine or sixty minutes without the ads, and you
Speaker 1: got all these other little side gigs that only come
Speaker 1: about because of the main gig. But of course, as
Speaker 1: I say, she'll be nominated for Australian of the Year
Speaker 1: and may well win it, because how dare anyone call
Speaker 1: her out on what she actually believes or how misleading
Speaker 1: it is. Doesn't talk about the government's position. That's also
Speaker 1: about housing. It's all about Peter Dunton. And then there's
Speaker 1: that weird thing that apparently the suburbs are just full
Speaker 1: of white people and the second they see someone who
Speaker 1: looks different than Laura Tingle, they're going to start having
Speaker 1: a crack. Please. Ridiculous Now. Also worth talking here is
Speaker 1: defense now. Richie Sunak, the UK Prime Minister, has got
Speaker 1: a weird idea and I know some people support it
Speaker 1: and some people often come up and talk to me
Speaker 1: about let's bring back national service. Well, twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: not going to happen, all right, Do I think yes,
Speaker 1: young people should learn and self lesteners, Yes, of course,
Speaker 1: But the idea of it being forced on them in
Speaker 1: the twenty first century, it's not going to work. But
Speaker 1: of course Jackie Lamby turns around and says, oh, it's
Speaker 1: a great idea. It's fantastic. Everyone should, you know, do
Speaker 1: do what I do. Here's what she said today.
Speaker 9: I don't want to scare you. I just want you
Speaker 9: to have some skill sets where, especially with national disasters.
Speaker 9: I'm weaking and user for domestic use and we can go, hey, guys,
Speaker 9: twenty four hours, grab your packs, go and help out there.
Speaker 9: We've got a massive flood. We've got people disorientated out there.
Speaker 9: They're everywhere, come and help us out.
Speaker 1: Oh god whatever. Anyway, there was another story around around
Speaker 1: defense that isn't as exciting for Jackie to talk about,
Speaker 1: and it is they are going to because Australia's defense force.
Speaker 1: Of course, the numbers are starting to fall. They have
Speaker 1: been falling for a while. It's hard to hold on
Speaker 1: to people or to get new people, so much so
Speaker 1: that actually at one point Australia was thinking about getting
Speaker 1: people from the Pacific Islands to end up joining our
Speaker 1: defense forces. Well, story over the weekend is we are
Speaker 1: lowering the bar for people who are going to be
Speaker 1: able to put their hand up and apply to be
Speaker 1: part of this running defense force. Now, some of these
Speaker 1: things like braces and other medical issues no real red
Speaker 1: flags for me. However, I want to be sensitive here
Speaker 1: about mental health. Some people have been automatically turned away
Speaker 1: for a bunch of things connected to mental health. But
Speaker 1: of course the stress that is on members of the
Speaker 1: defense force is in part why pretty tough standards have
Speaker 1: to be in existence for mental health. But the bar
Speaker 1: is being lowered now. If you have non suicidal self
Speaker 1: injury as a result of mental illness, you will now
Speaker 1: be able to make it through to the next level.
Speaker 1: If you have a history of ADHD, you will move
Speaker 1: to the next level. If you have adjustment disorder, for example,
Speaker 1: somebody who needed counseling after things like COVID, you too
Speaker 1: will be able to move to the next level. Now,
Speaker 1: my concern here is not about how rock hard our
Speaker 1: soldiers are. It's not about whether people from diverse or
Speaker 1: difficult life circumstances should be given the privilege of defending
Speaker 1: our country. Anyone who wants to defend our country, I
Speaker 1: admire you in the trying. But one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why you have to have certain standards is because what's
Speaker 1: life going to be like on the other side of
Speaker 1: your time and the defense force. How many times have
Speaker 1: we talked about veteran suicide in this country. Now, of
Speaker 1: course I'm not going to be stupid enough normous leading
Speaker 1: enough to suggest that somebody with any sort of history
Speaker 1: of mental illness is definitely going to end up in
Speaker 1: a difficult place after their time and the defense force.
Speaker 1: But if there's an awful lot of people who had
Speaker 1: no history of mental health disorders in any way, shape
Speaker 1: or form end up going through the system and then
Speaker 1: of course completely collapse after it, feel alienated and end
Speaker 1: up taking their own lives. Then is that the time
Speaker 1: to start changing the standards at the front end of
Speaker 1: people coming in when it comes to things like mental
Speaker 1: health issues. Now I am incredibly sensitive about the issue.
Speaker 1: I know how significant it is, and if people are
Speaker 1: on top of it, that's great. But the reality is
Speaker 1: that people in the past have been able to make
Speaker 1: it into the Australian Defense Force because they do not
Speaker 1: have any of those issues. If we're not going to
Speaker 1: start to change that and lower the bar, we're going
Speaker 1: to get ourselves into trouble. Mark my words, but of
Speaker 1: course my words will always be marked, especially with by
Speaker 1: other people who want to deliberately misinterpret them. Something not
Speaker 1: so serious, but still something I need to talk about.
Speaker 1: Toilets flushing away what we must. There's been good picture.
Speaker 1: I was worried about which one where we're going to
Speaker 1: find anyway. We all know what it's like. But that's
Speaker 1: what a toilet looks like apparently, and that's how you
Speaker 1: make them work. Now, the sewer system in Sydney, when
Speaker 1: people flush things down that aren't the obvious, well guess
Speaker 1: what ends up happening. Things called fat burghers end up
Speaker 1: appearing now what these are are a collection of lord,
Speaker 1: horrible stuff that is not the stuff you're supposed to
Speaker 1: go flush. And the Daily Telegraph worked offs of information
Speaker 1: for Sydney Water that was kind of weird. Vapes, false teeth,
Speaker 1: and I'll get to the kayak are some of the
Speaker 1: bizarre things that people have been flushing down the toot.
Speaker 1: In the first four months of this year, Cruise attended
Speaker 1: thirty seven hundred jobs. The chow points cost about twenty
Speaker 1: seven million dollars a year, and basically they say, unless
Speaker 1: it's the obvious, don't flush it down the toilet. Some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that's been found being flushed away tee towels, kids, toys, rags,
Speaker 1: face masks, lolly wrappers, sanitary items, duct tape, plastic bags,
Speaker 1: golf balls, nappies, jewelry, teeth, ka kis, crayons, and yes,
Speaker 1: a kayak. Could somebody please tell me how a kayak
Speaker 1: ended up in the stormwater system and then then made
Speaker 1: its way through the sewerage network, unless, of course, it's
Speaker 1: somebody's really creepy idea of working out how they can
Speaker 1: have fun on the weekend. Now, before we get to
Speaker 1: our debate and why Cole is being held off from
Speaker 1: Ukraine and a whole lot more. Donald Trump. Big week
Speaker 1: for him, just went through the Libertarian conference. Now, libertarianism
Speaker 1: is difficult to explain, but sort of imagine freedom squared here.
Speaker 1: It is explained in the best possible way on YouTube.
Speaker 1: And that's why he was talking to a bunch of
Speaker 1: libertarians on the weekend. What is libertarianism?
Speaker 10: Internet Libertarianism is a political philosophy that advocates for minimal
Speaker 10: government intervention in the life of individuals and the economy.
Speaker 10: It is based on the belief that individuals have the
Speaker 10: right to exercise autonomy and freedom of choice as long
Speaker 10: as they do not harm others.
Speaker 1: You know, crazy stuff, of course not. But look, they
Speaker 1: get into issues when it comes to drugs and weapons
Speaker 1: and whether there should be a Department of education. But
Speaker 1: it's a group of people who are generally speaking in
Speaker 1: the traditional spectrum, are people who are available to the right,
Speaker 1: which is why Donald Trump turns up and didn't they
Speaker 1: love him? Yeah?
Speaker 3: How cool.
Speaker 1: But the big event for him this week is of
Speaker 1: course that he's going to be back in court Tuesday
Speaker 1: American time, which of course will be Wednesday morning Australian
Speaker 1: time is when the closing arguments will be made. There's
Speaker 1: a public holiday over there. I don't think it's to
Speaker 1: doue with the reconciliation week. No, of course, it's due
Speaker 1: with Memorial Day, something similar to our Anzac Day. Closing
Speaker 1: arguments in the case will take place on Tuesday, and
Speaker 1: we could be off to a jury deliberation by the
Speaker 1: time you wake up on Wednesday. By the time we
Speaker 1: have our conversation with Meghan Kelly later in the week,
Speaker 1: he may well be found guilty, certainly if MSNBC has any.
Speaker 11: Say, and the prosecution is going to say, hey, this
Speaker 11: is common sense. We're talking about a guy, Donald Trump,
Speaker 11: who watched Do you really think that he would have
Speaker 11: been cool with all this money going out of his
Speaker 11: account without knowing it? Do you really think he would
Speaker 11: just reimburse four hundred and thirty thousand dollars or whatever
Speaker 11: that number is without some knowledge about what was going on.
Speaker 11: Of course not. So it's a common sense case, and
Speaker 11: I suspect that it's going to be successful, apart from the.
Speaker 1: Fact that everything he just said is not the actual case. Remember,
Speaker 1: it's about the bookkeeping of the money, of which no
Speaker 1: one has been able to directly tie him because the
Speaker 1: bookkeeper has deliberately not been introduced as a witness for
Speaker 1: the prosecution because they think he would back up Trump's
Speaker 1: version of things. Big wake ahead at a big debate
Speaker 1: moments from now here on Paul Murray life, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for watching. Here we are in conversation with
Speaker 1: none unlovely Sam Crosby joining us as always. How are
Speaker 1: you great?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 1: Mate? And his Monday mate? Who's the carry out a champ? No? No,
Speaker 1: of course, Senator Mechanis.
Speaker 3: I saw he's gone.
Speaker 1: Where's he gone? He couldn't copy anymore? I think you
Speaker 1: might be about to come the Lord mir Or Melbourne.
Speaker 1: But anyway, now let's talk. We're Senator. So Ukraine have
Speaker 1: asked for six months for coal. Australia won't even respond
Speaker 1: to the request. Yet the deputy prime ministers out there
Speaker 1: today say, oh, you know, we're giving Ukraine everything that
Speaker 1: they need. Is this philosophical or is there some sort
Speaker 1: of strange logistical reason that the government can't tell private
Speaker 1: companies what they're going to do or they don't want
Speaker 1: to pay for it? Why is Ukraine not getting what
Speaker 1: they're asking for?
Speaker 8: Well, the only explanation is it's ideological. And the government
Speaker 8: doesn't want to be seen I suppose to be doing
Speaker 8: anything with coal, even when it could make a huge
Speaker 8: difference to someone we have support, try to support facing
Speaker 8: overreaching Russian aggression. I mean, I don't understand this at all.
Speaker 8: This request is now six months old, it was made
Speaker 8: before Christmas. There no reason why the Albanizi government shouldn't
Speaker 8: have been able to act so quickly, as quickly as
Speaker 8: the Morrison government did. Ukraine made a similar request early
Speaker 8: on in the war and a shipment was arranged I
Speaker 8: think through white Haven Cole within months.
Speaker 1: So this can be done.
Speaker 8: I'm sure Australian coal companies would cooperate and help where
Speaker 8: they can to support Ukraine, to support the Australian government's objectives.
Speaker 8: But the government doesn't seem to have lifted a finger this.
Speaker 8: I did raise this with them before Christmas, when the
Speaker 8: repest came in. I spoke to the Ukrainian ambassador and
Speaker 8: I was assured they were looking into it. But nothing's
Speaker 8: happened and there's no good explanation for it. So I
Speaker 8: just add too here, Paul, it's a lesson to our
Speaker 8: own country. Ukraine, to my knowledge, have not asked us
Speaker 8: to send any solar panels over. We've got lots of them.
Speaker 8: We've got a lot of wind turbines, so they haven't
Speaker 8: asked for any of those. They need coal to secure
Speaker 8: themselves for their military objectives. And yeah, look we're very
Speaker 8: lucky in this country. We don't face the kind of
Speaker 8: threats Ukraine do. We obviously see the tension rising in
Speaker 8: our region and it just goes to show how important
Speaker 8: it is to secure our own natural resources and stop
Speaker 8: with these green fantasies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, going off what match you said, Australia
Speaker 1: has already done it before, Sam, So it's not like
Speaker 1: some new supply chain needs to be invented. And when
Speaker 1: Matt says the only reason could be ideological, let me
Speaker 1: profer another one and Dan, I don't know, but the
Speaker 1: other reason could well be economic. So it's not as
Speaker 1: though Australia. You know, the Australian government runs coal mines.
Speaker 1: We don't own shipping lines, we don't you know.
Speaker 3: So what we won't buy it to the federal government,
Speaker 3: you'd have no of course i'd sell it, but you'd
Speaker 3: have to buy it. And I think the point Males
Speaker 3: was making today is when he went over a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago they were saying the thing, we really
Speaker 3: need to air defense systems and you know all the
Speaker 3: other stuff that we see.
Speaker 1: But if the ambassador see this is what they're asking for.
Speaker 3: Sure, and two weeks ago when he was in Ukraine
Speaker 3: and he was meeting with the Defense Minister and various
Speaker 3: other people.
Speaker 1: They can ask for both. Sure they can get bush Masters.
Speaker 3: And I understand the point. But if Australia's resource is
Speaker 3: you know, financially constrained, cat and we're not just going
Speaker 3: to say you can have a billion dollars, you can
Speaker 3: have a billion dollars. Everyone gets billion dollars. I don't
Speaker 3: know this right, but I'm reading between the lines of
Speaker 3: what Miles is saying. And we have done it before.
Speaker 3: I can imagine that one.
Speaker 1: New private jet for the Prime minister, not to just
Speaker 1: put off the second. Mean that's a lobe. Yes, come on, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I just so yes.
Speaker 11: I know.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Now let's talk here about Laura Tingle just for
Speaker 1: a second. Again. Soon as you talk about it, you
Speaker 1: just add more. And she's the high process, one of
Speaker 1: the high processes of the left, and already sort of
Speaker 1: automatically infects you know she will be awarded Australian of
Speaker 1: the Year because of the evil people who've criticized her.
Speaker 1: But can we just play the second grab that we
Speaker 1: played in our editorial, which was Matt this weird idea
Speaker 1: that I can't believe major a political party is saying
Speaker 1: everything's about immigration and I fear the idea that somebody
Speaker 1: who doesn't look like Laura Tingle will get set upon
Speaker 1: by people at a rental inspection or at a at
Speaker 1: an auction, that all hell's going to break loose again.
Speaker 1: Here's what she says for a.
Speaker 6: Major politicality that's been saying, as Nicky says, you know,
Speaker 6: everything that's going wrong in this country is because of migrants.
Speaker 6: And as a sudden flash of people turning up to
Speaker 6: try to rent a property or at an auction and
Speaker 6: they look a bit different, what do you define different?
Speaker 6: As basically he has given them license to be abused.
Speaker 1: I've got to deal with the boss not to swear,
Speaker 1: but imagine what I'm thinking right now, as in I
Speaker 1: don't think those comments come up to pass any sort
Speaker 1: of pub test. But again, at the heart of it,
Speaker 1: right firstly, the government is also cutting immigration. I don't
Speaker 1: think they'll actually end up doing it also in part
Speaker 1: for the rules of housing. But what sort of it
Speaker 1: gives us an insight that they fight these fantasies and
Speaker 1: then they try to bend the narrative to make the
Speaker 1: opposition in this case look like the fantasy that they're fighting.
Speaker 8: Well, we are a conclusion you can or from what
Speaker 8: Laura is saying there as she believes in completely open
Speaker 8: borders and no control at all, or just let anybody
Speaker 8: who wants to come to a country come at any
Speaker 8: time in any position apart from that is apparently racist. Well, look,
Speaker 8: Laura's welcome to opinion. I don't think too many Australians
Speaker 8: would share that opinion. We have a border, we have
Speaker 8: a country. We have every right, like every other country
Speaker 8: in the world, to protect that border and to decide
Speaker 8: who comes to this country. And as famously John Howard said,
Speaker 8: the circumstances which they come they're still smarting from John Howard,
Speaker 8: some of these old Cold War if you're like our lefties,
Speaker 8: they're still smarting from that. But John Howard won that argument,
Speaker 8: and thank god that we did protect our borders. When
Speaker 8: you look at what's happening in the US and in Europe,
Speaker 8: at the moment through the Mediterranean. We are so lucky
Speaker 8: in this country to do that. But look, apart from
Speaker 8: just jumping on the Laura pylon here, as I say,
Speaker 8: almost everyone who disagrees with her, I think the biggest
Speaker 8: lesson out of this is the monoculture that is the ABC.
Speaker 8: They love multiculturalism except when it comes to their own organization.
Speaker 8: If there are other people within the ABC that were
Speaker 8: taking the the view I've just stated that, You've just
Speaker 8: stated about the need to control borders, and Laura's got
Speaker 8: this other opinion. Look fine, I can deal with different opinions.
Speaker 8: I don't care if Laura's got a particular view. It
Speaker 8: doesn't make me loose sleep. But I do get pretty
Speaker 8: upset that we waste a billion dollars a year an
Speaker 8: organization that is a monoculture when we actually have a
Speaker 8: multicultural country. We have different opinions and different views. Why
Speaker 8: can't they be represented on our public broadcaster that we
Speaker 8: all pay for.
Speaker 1: So again, Sam, at the start of the show, I
Speaker 1: talked about the understand like as a person who's seen
Speaker 1: kids go through the ABC Kids machine all the rest
Speaker 1: of her, I absolutely get the value right. I'm not
Speaker 1: somebody who ever sits here and goes for the red meat,
Speaker 1: I'll sell it off all the rest of it, right,
Speaker 1: But I find it particularly ignorant this idea that she
Speaker 1: seems to think the suburbs are just all white people,
Speaker 1: and then somebody who turns up and isn't white, it
Speaker 1: is going to be set upon. All of us in
Speaker 1: any major capital city have got mates, friends, option. It
Speaker 1: would be odd if it was just white people, right,
Speaker 1: and then that's so what fear she like, So she's
Speaker 1: talking about in Australia that doesn't actually exist, that she's
Speaker 1: afraid of turning on the Australia that again doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: You would expect the ABC's chief political correspondent to have
Speaker 3: a degree more subtlety than she had more nuance, you know,
Speaker 3: I actually, you know, I agree with the broad thrust
Speaker 3: of what she was saying about Peter Dutton, but.
Speaker 1: Got the same policy. I apologize.
Speaker 3: I'm a sworn on Labor Party member. You would kind
Speaker 3: of expect me to say, you know, liberal bad labor good.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would absolutely expect the chief political correspondent
Speaker 3: for the ABC, the Australian broadcasting channel, to to have
Speaker 3: a degree more nuanced than I think she had just.
Speaker 1: There's but again, right again, they'll all be around it,
Speaker 1: all those terrible people. But here's the thing again, opinion cool, fine,
Speaker 1: fair enough, right, But the idea that you get to
Speaker 1: have the cake and eat it too, of being the
Speaker 1: you know, the independent person on Channel two and then
Speaker 1: the side gig you're able to spout off as if
Speaker 1: she was me. Quick break back with more here on
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Speaker 1: the conversation right now with Sam Crosby, and we'd Senator
Speaker 1: Matt Canavan. Now, Matt, I'm going to go speed round here.
Speaker 1: You know, Queenslanders, I wish I could have the blood
Speaker 1: transfusions to become one if the process is ever put
Speaker 1: up in place. Don't worry, I won't bolt billet. I'll
Speaker 1: pay with my own cash. How many people are actually
Speaker 1: going to fall forward? The Queensland government spending millions of
Speaker 1: dollars on turning transport fares into just fifty cents between
Speaker 1: now and the election.
Speaker 8: Look, I think these sort of policies smack of desperation.
Speaker 8: You never see anything like this but for a flailing
Speaker 8: government just six months out from election, and to me
Speaker 8: raises the prospect of why we do we have fixed
Speaker 8: for you to This government's on life support. Now I'm
Speaker 8: doing great damage to the great state of Queensland. There
Speaker 8: needs to be an election asap, like Rishie Schuntznak has
Speaker 8: had over there in the UK. That needs to happen
Speaker 8: and we should have one here in Queensland. But instead
Speaker 8: we're just dragging this on and more and more poor
Speaker 8: policies are probably yet to come.
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, Look, the only hope is that some of
Speaker 1: this stuff, which of course is all promise basically between
Speaker 1: now and the election, means they are going to burn
Speaker 1: away that costs. But whatever they promise into the future now.
Speaker 1: Sam I mentioned some polling at the start of the show,
Speaker 1: all very scientific and over the top of it where
Speaker 1: they ask people questions, but then they check the sense
Speaker 1: of data and who's moved here and who's moved there.
Speaker 1: The central question for those of us who talk about
Speaker 1: politics is labor majority unlikely, Labor minority likely. How deep
Speaker 1: the minority is depends on how far out to the
Speaker 1: left the PM has to go to remain the Prime minister. However,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of data inside all of this that
Speaker 1: a lot of people haven't spoken about, which is there's
Speaker 1: a lot of seats at a fifty fifty to fifty
Speaker 1: to fifty fifty to fifty fifty to fifty, which means okay,
Speaker 1: if it all falls Labour's way, historic first term, Yay,
Speaker 1: everyone was wrong, We're amazing. Most likely it'll split fifty
Speaker 1: to fifty. What do you think?
Speaker 3: Look, I think at the moment you absolutely cannot do
Speaker 3: seat by seat polling when the AEC is yet to
Speaker 3: release the boundaries or even the draft boundaries for the
Speaker 3: new for the new seats. So we know that New
Speaker 3: South Wales is losing a seat, we know that Victoria's
Speaker 3: losing seat. We don't know where that's losing. We know
Speaker 3: everyone's got their hot take, but we don't know where.
Speaker 3: We know that one of those seats is going to Queensland,
Speaker 3: and one of those seats is going to Brisbane, going
Speaker 3: to wa Where those seats are going to be dropped,
Speaker 3: no one knows.
Speaker 1: And also the reality of the boundaries is that a
Speaker 1: seat that was fifty to fifty the last election moves
Speaker 1: it away and it gets a little bit more late,
Speaker 1: all goes a little bit more.
Speaker 3: So you know, everyone around the Northwest and West are
Speaker 3: looking really keenly at this because you move two or
Speaker 3: three streets over all of a sudden, your safe seat
Speaker 3: becomes desperately marginal, or if it goes two or three
Speaker 3: streets the other way, it suddenly becomes very safe.
Speaker 1: So who knows, So put a put a pin in.
Speaker 1: Let's have this discussion a couple of months. All right,
Speaker 1: good stuff, Thank you very much, Sam, Thank you very much, Senator.
Speaker 1: We'll see you all again next week for another go
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Speaker 1: com three All right, before we go. I can't stand
Speaker 1: the amount of money that state governments have around the
Speaker 1: country to pay for events. Now, a lot of governments
Speaker 1: do things like in South Australia, Oh, we're going to
Speaker 1: pay x million dollars to the AFL so we can
Speaker 1: have gather around. Literally, the WWE is being paid money
Speaker 1: by the West Australian government to have the events there.
Speaker 1: The Elimination Chamber in New South Wales they are paying
Speaker 1: money to the UFC, So the UFC holds events in Sydney. Well,
Speaker 1: guess who's now getting on it on the Action Australian
Speaker 1: Sporting codes so much so that there is a dispute
Speaker 1: right now between Cricket Australia and the MCG about whether
Speaker 1: or not the taxpayers of Victoria will pay for the
Speaker 1: Boxing Day Test to be on Boxing Day in Victoria.
Speaker 1: Now at the moment, the Victorian government saying no, sorry
Speaker 1: when if you want to move it, that's your core,
Speaker 1: but we're not paying for you to keep it. And
Speaker 1: you know what, I completely agree with them. Someone somewhere
Speaker 1: has to say no. Now. They'll always tell you there's
Speaker 1: an economic upside, and yes sometimes there were, always is.
Speaker 1: But the idea that Cricket Australia is trying to hold
Speaker 1: the proverbial gun to the head of the Victorian taxpayer
Speaker 1: over the Boxing Day Test. If it disappears for once,
Speaker 1: it won't be Victorian Labour's fault. See tomorrow