Speaker 1: Hey, beauties, It's Jamie Joe and Jesse Masud and welcome
Speaker 1: to Influence, a podcast dedicated to beauty, fashion and self.
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Speaker 1: In today's episode, we are looking at Underayes.
Speaker 2: Now, this is a topic for me that his home
Speaker 2: because I've struggled my entire life with being insecure around
Speaker 2: my underreyes. So I'm excited to just dive into us.
Speaker 1: Did you get enough sleep today? I'm looking a little
Speaker 1: bit tired.
Speaker 2: Literally my entire life, through my childhood through high school,
Speaker 2: I would have teachers, teachers ask me if I'm okay
Speaker 2: because I have deep set, dark under eyes. It's hereditary,
Speaker 2: this is what I look like.
Speaker 1: It's also like the worst thing to hear when you're
Speaker 1: like completely fine, and Yemen asked, are you okay?
Speaker 2: You're like leave me alone. Yeah. So I've been through
Speaker 2: the works in terms of, you know, figuring out for.
Speaker 1: Myself what works for deep set.
Speaker 2: Dark underreyes, and I definitely have come to like a
Speaker 2: place where I'm happy with my makeup routine. In terms
Speaker 2: of skincare, there's things we can do, but you know,
Speaker 2: when it's hereditary, there's only so far you can go to,
Speaker 2: like to get rid of that discolor.
Speaker 1: That's just that's just the shape of your face.
Speaker 2: It is. This is like my skull, like that's just
Speaker 2: what my bone structure is completely.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're gorgeous, so thanks. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I guess in terms of let's talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about like confidence first, because you know, I had
Speaker 2: so many comments growing up that made me so so
Speaker 2: insecure about the way that I looked and the way
Speaker 2: that my underreyes were. But I do have to say
Speaker 2: Western features are so different to ethnic like ethnic features,
Speaker 2: especially Middle Eastern features and South Asian features. So it's
Speaker 2: very normal in Lebanon, and people are used to seeing
Speaker 2: women with you know, pigmentation around their eyes, and it's
Speaker 2: actually beautiful and really enhances a lot of people's features.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, especially I think it looks beautiful like
Speaker 2: when South Asian women have that discoloration.
Speaker 1: It's just part of the show exactly. So I guess
Speaker 1: in terms of what types of problematic underayes there are,
Speaker 1: let's just go through them.
Speaker 2: So we've got creasy under eyes. So like maybe you
Speaker 2: have a lot of fine lines underneath your eyes or
Speaker 2: they're very dry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dry under eyes, like pigmentation, like color.
Speaker 2: Discoloration, discoloration, deep set under eyes, which is what I've got.
Speaker 2: So like that's when you kind of have that hollow
Speaker 2: underneath your eyes and it comes from your nose outwards
Speaker 2: and it's just literally your face shape your face.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's puffiness, like when you wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning, you've got like puffy eyes. Yep.
Speaker 2: So there's a whole range of kind of different insecurities
Speaker 2: you could have and problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like everyone at least has dealt with
Speaker 1: one before.
Speaker 2: Definitely, And I think, well, let's just talk about what
Speaker 2: not to do first. Let's get that out of the way,
Speaker 2: because I've made some funny, funny mistakes that make it
Speaker 2: look so much worse. So if you have pigmentation, you
Speaker 2: really need to stay away from using any sort of
Speaker 2: light concealer. There are so many trends from big beauty
Speaker 2: guru gurus and influences with perfect beautiful smooth underiye baby,
Speaker 2: where they're using like these really light colors to create
Speaker 2: that beautiful, highlighted, full glam. Look, this does not look
Speaker 2: good every day, especially if you have discoloration, because what
Speaker 2: it does is it actually is very ashy. It makes
Speaker 2: you underries look gray or purple, and it like it.
Speaker 1: Just brings up the wrong colors.
Speaker 2: It does, and it makes you look even more sick
Speaker 2: than you already are. So I really would urge you
Speaker 2: to stay away from super Life thinking that that's going
Speaker 2: to be the solution. It's really not. It just creates
Speaker 2: more just like the wrong tone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to add a band aid layer on top
Speaker 1: of that, you're not fixing the solution it makes.
Speaker 2: That's so, so so true. So I guess in terms
Speaker 2: of make up products, there are definitely a few things
Speaker 2: you can do and color correcting and color theory is
Speaker 2: definitely a big part of that in my opinion, because
Speaker 2: once you kind of understand what type of tone if
Speaker 2: your you know, main problem is pigment, if you're if
Speaker 2: your main problem is pigmentation, you kind of have to
Speaker 2: understand what type of tone you have exactly, is it purple,
Speaker 2: is it red, is it blue?
Speaker 1: And then that's going to counteract in what type of
Speaker 1: color correct you're used. That's exactly right.
Speaker 2: So for me, I kind of have more what would
Speaker 2: you say, it's like more blueish. I yeah, definitely have
Speaker 2: more a purplely blue kind of tone underneath my eyes.
Speaker 2: And in summer it kind of really disappears because I
Speaker 2: do get quite tan, but I really notice it most
Speaker 2: in winter. It's like you wake up and I call it.
Speaker 2: This is what I call my underreyes, the.
Speaker 1: Depths of despair, the depths of despair.
Speaker 2: Like I literally that, because when I wake up, I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, it looks I look ill, like I
Speaker 2: look unwell under there.
Speaker 1: I hate the nest if talk as well. I'm like, Jamie,
Speaker 1: shut up, you guys, actually shut up. Like your skin's
Speaker 1: like baby smooth, like i'd kill tab your skinlash So true.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that's just, you know, one of
Speaker 2: those things for myself that I'm continuing to grow through.
Speaker 2: But I definitely struggle.
Speaker 1: It's just a little long way I do, but I
Speaker 1: do struggle to.
Speaker 2: Leave the house without concealert. I'm not gonna lie, Okay,
Speaker 2: So this is what I would do In terms of
Speaker 2: color correcting. There are a few really great ones on
Speaker 2: the market, but I would say, you want to stay
Speaker 2: away from anything too thick, and that plays into if
Speaker 2: you have you know, textured under rice. Again, you think
Speaker 2: that using these thick products that are really full coverage
Speaker 2: are going to kind of combat the issue. It's not
Speaker 2: going to do that all.
Speaker 1: It's going to do enhandsome.
Speaker 2: It does it. It makes it look even more creepy.
Speaker 1: This settles into the fine lines and becomes crusty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you want to kind of use products that
Speaker 2: are thin and they're light weight and effected exactly yet effective.
Speaker 2: So let's kind of talk about color and what I
Speaker 2: have figured out really really works well for me. I
Speaker 2: feel like Jesse herself, you don't really have just follow
Speaker 2: you as much.
Speaker 1: It just follows to Jamie Dilles. He's like, this works me.
Speaker 1: I'm like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't say you have as deep set eyes
Speaker 2: as men.
Speaker 1: They're still there.
Speaker 2: It's still there, you know, depending on where you are
Speaker 2: at in the unis romester. Yeah. So I have kind
Speaker 2: of to go to Underwrye brighteners that I use for
Speaker 2: different occasions on an everyday basis. I love the Rare
Speaker 2: Beauty Positive Light eyebrightener. This is such a good product
Speaker 2: because it's very very lightweight, and it's beautifully reflective, so
Speaker 2: it's very thin, yet it adds a lot of light
Speaker 2: to that deep set area. And I actually don't put
Speaker 2: this directly tight underneath my eyes. I like to focus
Speaker 2: it underneath the deep set area because it kind of
Speaker 2: brings it forward and it draws the attention to that
Speaker 2: place a little bit.
Speaker 1: More, exactly like the placements super important place. And you
Speaker 1: use this before concealer, Well no.
Speaker 2: Not actually uses after concealer, but I just wanted to
Speaker 2: preface like the two different categories. So we've got correctors
Speaker 2: and then we've got correct a slash brighteners, and then
Speaker 2: we've got concealers.
Speaker 1: So I've been using this before.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's fine. I don't think it's I don't
Speaker 2: think that the auto matters as much, but I do
Speaker 2: think that this product by itself is even really beautiful
Speaker 2: for a no makeup day. But what I wanted to
Speaker 2: say is if you have puffy under eyes, this is
Speaker 2: great because the want applicator is actually metal, and it's
Speaker 2: a metal ball, So when you are you know, dragging
Speaker 2: that kind of underneath the eye, a fair beautiful cooling
Speaker 2: effect and it's got that depuffing element to it as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's made for that reason, which is great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's not a lot of kind of concealers
Speaker 2: on the market that do that. I would say, they've
Speaker 2: got I creams, you know, I creams that have got
Speaker 2: that metal and it feels so good. The beautiful one
Speaker 2: of them is the Landcomb Genefick Eye Serum.
Speaker 1: So good.
Speaker 2: Oh, that is such a beautiful product. I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love that to kind of prime and prep the
Speaker 2: under eyes. But for a brightener, the rare beauty one.
Speaker 1: Is so beautiful, and I wouldn't say it's overly expensive.
Speaker 2: I've been using this for around well since almost December
Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, it is forty six dollars from Mecca
Speaker 2: and it's beautiful. I use this every day. This is
Speaker 2: kind of one of those.
Speaker 1: Concealing products for under the eyes that I almost do
Speaker 1: not leave the house without. That's almost drug store price.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean exactly when you're looking at good
Speaker 2: prices these days. It's really good. It's such a beautiful product.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of one that you can use to
Speaker 2: enhance and add some light underneath the eyes, and that
Speaker 2: gives that depoffing element to it as well. Do you
Speaker 2: know anything about this smash Box Becker under Eyebrightener.
Speaker 1: No, I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 2: Okay, well I love this product, so if you don't know.
Speaker 2: Becker was a beautiful brand that kind of hit the
Speaker 2: market in around twenty fifteen and was really really popular.
Speaker 2: But unfortunately they did kind of close down just because
Speaker 2: I don't know what.
Speaker 1: But in Australia they closed down.
Speaker 2: No, just everywhere, no Becker.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember Becker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Becker.
Speaker 1: They were a massive brand and they had some really
Speaker 1: iconic products, but they actually remember them being like highlighters, highlightlighters.
Speaker 2: So what they did was they actually shut down their brand. However,
Speaker 2: they kept two iconic products and smash Box picked them
Speaker 2: up so that they are now they're called smash Box
Speaker 2: times Becker because they were just so iconic that people
Speaker 2: literally cannot live without them.
Speaker 1: That makes it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so smash Box all did us a favor by
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, literally, thank you so much. So this
Speaker 2: Becker under eyebrightener and correct is a beautiful color corrector
Speaker 2: is it.
Speaker 1: A pot Yeah, it's a little Potkaream.
Speaker 2: Formula, So unlike Rere Beauty that's a liquid formula. This
Speaker 2: is a cream and they've got a few different shades.
Speaker 2: They've got light, medium, and dark, so that is going
Speaker 2: to be you know, you picking the right shade for
Speaker 2: your skin tone and for the under the pit and
Speaker 2: under the eye. I really like the medium color which
Speaker 2: is more of a peach and.
Speaker 1: This is so great because that counteracts the purple.
Speaker 2: That's right. It really corrects and you know, the color
Speaker 2: theory kind of equal, like they cancel each other out
Speaker 2: there you go. So what I suggest with this product,
Speaker 2: because it is thicker and it's a cream on the
Speaker 2: cream like it's on the thicker side, you want to
Speaker 2: use a very light hand. You don't want to over
Speaker 2: apply this product because that's when that creepiness and thickness
Speaker 2: increasing is going to happen. All you need to do
Speaker 2: is just with your ring finger is just really dab
Speaker 2: a small amount all the way underneath the eye and
Speaker 2: those problematic.
Speaker 1: Areas before after concealer.
Speaker 2: Before so you've you know, you've primed the face, you
Speaker 2: haven't put any foundation underneath your eyes, You've put your
Speaker 2: I cream on, and now you're going to tap in
Speaker 2: that color corrector to cancel out the pigment. You're not
Speaker 2: adding necessarily coverage. You're adding just pigment, yeah, just that
Speaker 2: element of color correction, and then you go.
Speaker 1: In with your concealer and it should be like bat,
Speaker 1: it canceled out.
Speaker 2: That's correct. So what I liked when I like to
Speaker 2: use this is for special events, red carpets, when I
Speaker 2: know I'm going to be photographed. This is a really
Speaker 2: really great product. But I don't use this every day
Speaker 2: at all. It's not something I use like the rare
Speaker 2: beauty product. So this is for special occasions, photo shoots,
Speaker 2: when you really want like full glam.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's fifty five dollars from Meccha. This
Speaker 1: lasts forever though, Yeah, because you're only using a really
Speaker 1: small amount exactly.
Speaker 2: It's just something that's like a really great staple in
Speaker 2: your kit. If you have problematic under eyes, I really
Speaker 2: highly recommend it.
Speaker 1: I just want to pick up on a note where
Speaker 1: you said, like I cream, then this some times where
Speaker 1: you might be going wrong with your concealer routine, is
Speaker 1: the product you're putting on before your makeup might be
Speaker 1: causing your concealer or your correcting thing to sort of
Speaker 1: ball off. Yeah, So if you're experiencing like balling off
Speaker 1: or flaking off with your concealer, or it's just not
Speaker 1: sitting right. Maybe try switching up your under a cream
Speaker 1: something thinner, yeah to something, or even don't put anything
Speaker 1: on before your makeup or under the eyes, because I
Speaker 1: find that it just like slides right off for me.
Speaker 2: I would say that that kind of plays into that
Speaker 2: like thickness under the eyes, because Okay, when I go
Speaker 2: on photo shoots, makeup artists really struggle to do my
Speaker 2: under eyes and they think that more product is going
Speaker 2: to help, but.
Speaker 1: It makes it look so much baking.
Speaker 2: So they'll put a serum under my eyes, and they'll
Speaker 2: put a really nice, thick, luxurious moisturizer under my eyes.
Speaker 2: Then they'll color correct, then they'll add concealer, then they'll powder,
Speaker 2: and this causes so much caking, slipping, sliding, and it
Speaker 2: does it does not look good. So that's what I
Speaker 2: was saying before, like you want to be sparing with
Speaker 2: the amount of products you're using. It's going to have
Speaker 2: such a better effect than really tacking everything on. This
Speaker 2: is although it seems good in theory, it just really
Speaker 2: does the opposite. So instead use small amounts of the
Speaker 2: right product to kind of achieve the look that you're
Speaker 2: going for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Now, like let's go into like concealers. Okay,
Speaker 1: So me and Jamie have tried so many different concealers,
Speaker 1: and I have been a fan favorite of the Mabeling
Speaker 1: Fit Me since I was like fourteen years old. I've
Speaker 1: used it for so long. It's affordable, it's sixteen dollars,
Speaker 1: and this product is just reliable, and it's really great
Speaker 1: for if you don't know where to start with concealer,
Speaker 1: this is a great product to start with. It's lightweight
Speaker 1: but like full coverage, and it's really buildable as well,
Speaker 1: and they have a really really great shade range. Because
Speaker 1: this product is affordable, you're able to use it every
Speaker 1: single day, and it's really good for like school, for
Speaker 1: UNI and if you don't want like a full on
Speaker 1: makeup look and you just want light coverage in the
Speaker 1: no makeup makeup look, which I love to achieve most
Speaker 1: days without wearing foundation. This one blend seemously into your
Speaker 1: normal skin as well, which is really beautiful.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of that perfect consistency of like the
Speaker 2: light weight, so it doesn't add that crazy crease.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't cause creasing, like I said, it just
Speaker 1: like blends into your normal skin and doesn't create any
Speaker 1: added texture.
Speaker 2: It's something that you can just always go back to
Speaker 2: and you know it's going to work well exactly. So
Speaker 2: I really love this product as well. I've used it
Speaker 2: for a really really long time, literally since we were young,
Speaker 2: because again, when you're you know, using conceala every single day,
Speaker 2: you do not want to be spending a lot of money,
Speaker 2: especially through high school. So it's a really really great product.
Speaker 2: Now I like to use a little bit more of
Speaker 2: an expensive concealer these days, and this is the Dire
Speaker 2: Forever Concealer. It is seventy four dollars, but it's my
Speaker 2: absolute favorite formula on the market. And in terms of color,
Speaker 2: I would really suggest not using something light, even though
Speaker 2: everyone tells you to use something that is your skin tone,
Speaker 2: because otherwise, again you're going to get ashy. So I
Speaker 2: like to use something that is actually fairly warm underneath
Speaker 2: the eyes, just for my skin color in particular. And
Speaker 2: I like this because it doesn't create like this dark
Speaker 2: difference yeh color on your face, which just it just
Speaker 2: draws the kind of wrong attention. So this particular concealer,
Speaker 2: I would say it's actually medium to full coverage. It
Speaker 2: is quite creamy, but I like only a little bit.
Speaker 2: I just apply a little bit in the center, so
Speaker 2: from the nose bridge outwards, and then I blend it
Speaker 2: out either with my fingers or with a you know,
Speaker 2: a dense crush brush. Yeah, because you just want to
Speaker 2: like keep that coverage in certain places, which is really
Speaker 2: really great to do with a dense brush. If you
Speaker 2: use a beauty blender, you're going to really shear everything out,
Speaker 2: which actually looks beautiful and helps to pick up any
Speaker 2: like creasing. But I really like to get my bang
Speaker 2: for my buck with this product, and the beauty blender
Speaker 2: sucks sucks it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so fair. You don't want to be like
Speaker 1: wasting your like expensive products exactly.
Speaker 2: But it's a really beautiful concealer. If that's something you
Speaker 2: can afford, and you you know that you have problematic
Speaker 2: under eyes, it is so good. It never creases under
Speaker 2: my eye. It lasts all day, and this is one
Speaker 2: I actually wear throughout my auditions as well, just because
Speaker 2: it's so reliable and create such like a seamless finish.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, beautiful.
Speaker 2: I guess just remember with your under eyes that everyone
Speaker 2: has different experiences. You know, there's all these little hacks
Speaker 2: you can do. If you have puffy under eyes, you
Speaker 2: can use cold spoons in the morning, you can use
Speaker 2: shah to kind of you know, get rid of that
Speaker 2: lymphatic drainage. That that's a really great option.
Speaker 1: Like there's so much that goes into underayes more than
Speaker 1: just covering it up with conceala and all that jazz.
Speaker 1: But we'd be speaking for an hour exactly, and we'll remember,
Speaker 1: drink a lot of water because water is really going to.
Speaker 2: Help with the underreyes. And I'm so bad at getting
Speaker 2: my water like intake in. But that's just like another
Speaker 2: little extra thing. We always say, drink your water, but
Speaker 2: we kind of forget to do it, so it does
Speaker 2: actually make a big difference in your underreyes. But those
Speaker 2: are some of our favorite tips to you know, have
Speaker 2: that seamless finish and combat any of those issues. But
Speaker 2: remember it's kind of something that you live with and
Speaker 2: that you have to come to terms with. So once
Speaker 2: I accepted that this is just my face, like let's
Speaker 2: just work with it, exactly, And I.
Speaker 1: Think that's like the message behind it is that like
Speaker 1: accept your natural beauty and then like learn how to
Speaker 1: enhance it in certain ways, but doesn't mean you don't
Speaker 1: love yourself. That's right the end of the day. So
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today on Skinfluence.
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