WEBVTT - The last stand of Mad Max 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:05.240 Marino's assault on the police force was probably the most 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.880 savage since the Kelli gang shot three police dead at 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.960 Stringing Buck Creek in eighteen seventy eight. People don't usually 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:17.680 come out of nowhere to offend, but when they do, 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.400 it's very tricky for police because they can't run through 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:25.480 lists of known offenders and find the right guy. Then 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.320 a split second, he twisted and fired twice with a hangar. 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.280 I'm Andrew Rule. This is life and crimes. If you 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.640 hang around long enough in this business, and sadly I have, 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.160 you keep seeing the anniversaries crop up, and you see 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.040 names come up and think, oh my god, is it 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:49.080 really that long since that happened. It seems much closer 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.159 than that, because some things stick in your mind, and 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:56.040 one of them is the shooting of the guy they 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.600 called Mad Max. This is the real Mad Max. This 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.720 is not made up by a scriptwriter. This was the 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:07.119 guy who shot several police and went on the run 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:14.120 and was apprehended eighteen months later by two brave and 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:19.720 perhaps slightly reckless detectives. And that's a story I'm going 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:24.320 to go through. Now. We must point out that way 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.840 back in twenty sixteen, we took a quick look at 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.440 the story of Mad Max, but today we take a 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:36.319 look at the shootout in much greater detail. It was 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:40.800 forty years ago last month that a lone gunman shot 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.240 two policemen during a routine car check, and then he 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:48.760 shot two more during the manhunt that followed. All four 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.760 of those police were seriously wounded, and one of them 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:59.160 was left paraplegic. A fifth policeman was hit in that 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.320 same night. This was a dog handler, one of the 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.600 canine unit, and interestingly, unlike the others, he was wearing 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.160 his holistic vest, and because he was wearing his bailistic vest, 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.880 the bullet basically shocked him and stunned him and probably 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.520 made him fall over, but it didn't hurt him. He 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.600 walked away. He got home that night unwounded, as did 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.639 his dog, because he was wearing his bailistic vest and 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.760 the others were not, I think, and there's probably a 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:34.440 lesson there. The shooter his real name was Pavel Maronoff, 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.200 alias Max Clark, the name he used when he got 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.320 to this country. Interestingly, that he did get to this 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:46.040 country because he was a former Bulgarian Army deserter, so 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:50.000 he was hardly you'd think precisely the right sort of 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:54.239 profile as a migrant back in the seventies or whenever 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:59.320 he got here. He was dubbed mad Max by us 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.360 in the media for the eight months that he stayed 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:08.240 on the loose, because for the rest of nineteen eighty five, 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:13.040 after he shot four policemen and shot out a fifth one, 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.840 he became Australia's most wanted man, taking over from the 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:21.520 master prison escaper Russell mad Dog Cox, who'd been on 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.680 the run since nineteen seventy seven. You'll see a certain 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.360 sameness in the names here. We've got Mad Max taking 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.960 over from mad Dog Cox. Neither of them were mad 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.280 and they got those names from crime reporters who should 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.680 know better. And in fact, in both cases their real 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.600 names were quite different from the names that they were 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.280 known as in the newspapers. But there you go, Finny 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:48.240 ol World. Marino's assault on the police force was probably 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.840 the most savage since the Kelli gang shot three police 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.640 dead at Stringing Buck Creek in eighteen seventy eight, so 0:03:55.760 --> 0:04:00.440 that was one hundred and seven years earlier, probably the 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:04.200 worst thing to happen to the Victorian police in that 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:09.800 intervening century. Because he was a previously unknown offender with 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:14.960 no close associates or criminal history. Police could not lean 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.599 on the underworld for information. Now, how often does this happen? 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:23.880 Something bad happens and it's somebody who has no criminal history. 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:28.120 That's a rare thing. For a start. People don't usually 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.839 come out of nowhere to offend. But when they do, 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.560 it's very tricky for police because they can't run through 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.520 lists of known offenders and find the right guy, because 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.200 the right guy in these rare cases isn't on those lists, 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:47.320 because he's got no criminal history, no known form, and 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.800 so they don't know who they're looking for. Whereas, to 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.760 be honest, in most cases they've got a rough idea 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:58.279 exactly who they're looking for. Police command turned to one 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:04.000 of its own born, detective Sergeant John Kapetanovsky, a tough 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.760 major crime Squad veteran who could speak two Slavic languages 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:13.120 and had contacts in the Yugoslav community. Kappa, as everyone 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.520 called him, I remember this, We all call him Kappa, 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.440 was known for his imposing physical presence. Big tall guy, 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:25.680 long lane or long nose. If he decided not to smile, 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.000 he could look quite unfriendly. He was a big tough man, 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.200 and he was known for his habit of carrying a 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:35.560 spare snubnosed pistol in an ankle holster. Now I don't 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.520 know if that was strictly kosher, but back in those days, 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.320 detectives in the tough squads, like the Robbery Squad and 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.120 the Major Crime Squad, they tended to want to be 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.960 well armed because they were dealing with some very violent 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.719 people who were well armed. Kappa was no boy scout, 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.760 but he believed in being prepared, and he was exactly 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:59.000 the type needed to flush out mad Max Maronov before 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:04.120 he murdered someone before he basically shot in another four people, 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:10.359 notably the police. In early February nineteen eighty six, Kappa 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.920 got a tip from a Yugoslav source that the wanted 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.840 man was hiding with a young family in semi suburban 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:22.120 Wollen just north of Craigieburn now Wollan. Back in those days, 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:23.880 and I know this because I lived up that way 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.840 was still sort of a country town, but it was 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.160 a highway town. It was on the Northern Highway that 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.159 led off the freeway up to Kilmore and then further 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:35.960 on you know, it was the back way to Bendigo 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.800 and to places like Elmore and Rochester and all that. 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.800 As such, Wollen then was changing, and it did have 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.359 a lot of people who'd moved there from the northern suburbs, 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:55.080 and among them was obviously the family who acted as 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:59.920 the host. Saw offered safe harbor for mad Max Maronov, 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.680 undoubtedly because they were of the same ethnic group and 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.880 he could speak to them and so on. Now, Detective 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.920 Sergeant the one we call Kappa, was paired with another 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:15.440 senior detective, the quietly spoken Rod McDonald, who I remember 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:19.840 well from that era. On the morning of February twenty fifth, 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.520 now this is nineteen eighty six, This is eight months 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:26.560 after the shootings in Noble Park, a man roughly resembling 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.960 Maroanov left the Wolln House driving two children to school 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:36.040 in a white Ford panel van. The detectives suspective was Maranov, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.760 but could not be sure as photographs of him were 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:44.400 scarce and poor quality. The frightening thing about Maroanov was that, 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:49.040 unlike most offenders, he was a pistol expert who had 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:53.440 honed his skills well above the level of most normal police. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.760 Ordinary police who learned to shoot when they do their training, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.679 and then now and again they have a refresher course 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.120 the pistol range and so on. But most of them 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.760 are just moderately proficient. But this fellow was a crank 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.600 and he had clearly built himself a pistol range, I think, 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.920 under his house down in the southeastern suburbs, and become 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:20.800 very very proficient at shooting quickly and accurately. He could 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.160 shoot under pressure, which is what most of us can't do. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.560 If the man in the panel van was Maronov, it 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:30.239 was vital they apprehend him away from members of the public. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.679 So when the vehicle, when the panel Van turns south 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:38.559 from Wollen on the hum Highway towards Melbourne, the detectives 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:43.120 faced making a snap decision. Would they stop him before 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.440 he reached the suburbs, which were only you know, fifteen 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:50.840 to twenty minutes away really, or would they let him 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.600 go down into suburbia and try and pick him up 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:59.160 down there. Now they did have reason logic on their side. 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.520 They thought if they could get him out on the highway, 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.440 away from other people, away from densely populated streets and 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:11.120 all that, and no passers by and no pedestrians, that 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.360 it would be safer for the public, and so bravely 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.560 in my view, they pulled the van over on the 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:21.319 highway near Beveridge, which, as many people will know, is 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:25.319 coincidentally only a few hundred meters from the little old 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.559 tumble down house where near Kelly was born back in 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:33.520 eighteen fifty five. The driver's hair the driver of the 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:38.200 panel van, his hair seemed longer and a lighter color 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.480 than Maronoff's. The pictures they had of maranof and he 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:46.920 had a beard, so they couldn't be certain it was him, 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.880 so they kept their guns down. Now, both these detectives 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.720 were armed, as they used to be in those days, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.839 with pump action shotguns. Pump action twelve GUARDE shotguns a 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:01.720 fearsome piece of equipment at clost range. And I'm not 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.760 sure if they did this with the blessing of their 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.440 superiors or the department or not, but they very wisely 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:12.280 loaded their shotguns with what they call sgs. Now. Sg's 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.360 are the very heavy shot. Some people might call it 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:19.320 buck shot, and it is. The slugs in sg's are 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.440 about as big as a twenty two bullet slug. They're 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.040 quite big enough to do some damage, and they put 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.280 nine of them in each cartridge, So that is a 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:33.760 very heavy shot load, and it's designed to take down 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.880 big game. It'll take down a wild pig or that 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.120 sort of thing. At the right range, it would certainly 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.040 take down most people. And beauty of it does is 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:49.400 that even though there are only nine slugs in each cartridge, 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:53.360 those nine would spread sufficiently that some of them would 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.680 hit the target, which is a very useful thing. Under 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:00.559 the sort of pressure that these guys were under, ordered 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.040 the driver to place his hands outside the door so 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.760 they could see them. The driver seemed calm and compliant, 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.839 but in a split second, I think what he did. 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.920 I think he had a pistol underneath a street directory 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.000 or underneath a newspaper or something. I think he added hidden. 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.160 But in a split second he twisted and fired twice 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.480 with a handgun. Now he's shooting through the window of 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:29.079 his car, the open window of his car or windows plural. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:33.680 He hits Cappa in the shoulder and the hand two shots, bang, 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:38.040 bang hits him twice before pivoting the other way and 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.800 shooting McDonald in the chest. So McDonald must have moved 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.800 up to the passenger side window with his pump action 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:50.560 shotgun and Matt Max was like wired op on angel dust. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.120 It was an astonishing bit of shooting. He shoots one 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.720 policeman twice, and he pivots and shoots the other policeman 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.000 in the chest. Any of those shots could have ky 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.680 those policemen. They were in fact quite seriously wounded, but 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.360 it didn't kill them. Maranov was shooting to kill, but 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.520 they say that Kappa's reflex, his reaction of throwing his 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.600 hand up after he was hitting his shoulder probably saved him. 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.960 The second bullet took the top off one finger, but 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.000 it deflected the bullet so that it only grazed his 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.800 forehead near his eyebrow. Then the third shot, of course, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.760 hit McDonald in the chest and wounded him quite badly. 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:35.199 Devastatingly accurate shooting, and Maranov would have got away again 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:41.000 if it weren't for the heavy SG buckshot that they'd 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:46.040 selected for their shotguns. As the van sped away, McDonald 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.080 fired twice at a bang bang with the pump action. 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:53.200 The heavy slugs, nine in each cartridge, blasted through the 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:58.079 side and rear panels and hit Clark's stomach and arm. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.079 The van ran off the rail. Some hundreds of meters away. 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:06.280 It went through six wire fences and stopped in a 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:10.000 thistly paddock about one hundred and fifty meters from the 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:14.400 highway and about a kilometer from the crime scene. So 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.760 this car has gone down the road quite away with 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:24.280 essentially a dying man at the wheel. Then he's become disoriented, 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.680 he's losing blood, he's dying. He runs off the road, 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.559 luckily to the left rather than across the oncoming traffic, 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.040 and he goes through a fence, and he goes through 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:41.280 six more fences before the van rolls to a stop. Meanwhile, 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.480 behind him, back on the highway, the Hume Highway, the 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:49.680 wounded pair of police desperately needed help. They flagged down 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.880 a passing driver to ask him to stop a truck 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:55.280 with a CB radio to call an ambulance. Now why 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.400 they had to do that, I'm not sure, but anyway, 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.440 we've got to remember this was before mobile phones. But 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.040 you would have thought they had a police radio that 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.679 would have done the trick. I don't understand what went 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:11.880 wrong there. Maybe they weren't thinking straight, don't know, but 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.560 they needed medical help faster than waiting for an ambulance, 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.599 so they staggered to their Commodore. They had the plane commodore, 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.560 just a brown Commodol and Kappa drove it with one 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.400 hand towards Melbourne because he had I think a finger 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.239 knocked off and his shoulders out of action with a bullet. 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.840 He drives towards Melbourne. So he's going past Donnybrook towards Craigieburn, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:38.840 and then he decides he can't go any further. They 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.960 stopped at a house at Craigieburn North. Now in those days, 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.760 nowadays a lot of that is suburbia and or small 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.240 blocks and all factories and all sorts of things, But 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.440 in those days it was still farmland. They stopped at 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.880 the house at Craigburn North and asked to use the phone. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.920 Both of them were bleeding badly by this time. As 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.200 Kappa ended his call to police headquarters, he slumped to 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.720 the floor, much to the alarm of the nice old 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:08.480 lady that owned the house. Rod McDonald was already slumped 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:13.359 in the passenger seat of their car, bleeding profusely. Meanwhile, 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.960 a police helicopter circled the panel van back up the road. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.560 Circled the panel van looking for signs of life. It 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.320 looked as if a man were crouched in the driver's seat, 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.560 so the Special Operations Group was brought in to rush 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.400 the car. They needed to be sure that he was dead, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.680 what if he was playing possum. It turned out that 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.680 he wasn't playing possum. He had died. He had died 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.480 from those shots that Rod McDonald had let loose. It 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.320 wasn't until they removed a wig that they were sure 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:49.160 as Maranoff alias Max Clark wasn't ntil. Then they realized 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.920 they were certain they had the right guy because Maranoff 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:55.600 was actually short, he was balding. He looked like George 0:15:55.720 --> 0:16:00.800 Costanzo in Seinfeld, and he was bolding, and he had short, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.600 dark hair, and so the long blonde wig and the 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:08.040 beard was a throwoff. The two injured officers were flown 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:12.680 by helicopter to Faulkner Park and transferred to hospital, where 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:17.560 they both had life saving surgery. Assistant Commissioner Kel Glare, 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:21.080 who's still with us today as a retired long retired 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:25.320 police officer. Later he was the Chief Commissioner. Calvin Glair 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:30.080 said the pair Kappa and MacDonald had taken a courageous 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.440 decision to intercept the offender, and they did it for 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:38.200 the right reasons. This person was heading towards a populated area. 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:42.520 Blaire said they saw an opportunity to intercept him before 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:46.560 he got into a crowded situation where even surveillance would 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:51.680 have been difficult and fraught with danger for others. They 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:56.840 acted with great courage, But these heroes, as they were, 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.800 had to cope with the psychic and physical effects of 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.160 theirs wounds for the rest of their lives, as did 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:08.840 the four other police injured by Maronov. There's little doubt 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.440 that being shot and the stress of the whole situation 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:19.119 shortened Kappa's life. He died at sixty years old in 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:23.280 twenty twelve. Rod McDonald's still with us to this day. 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.680 He's a quiet, unassuming man and to meet him or 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.119 talk to him, you would never imagine that he was 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.399 the man who emerged victorious at the OK Corral. Was 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:38.720 him with the buckshot that beat mad Max. Part script 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:42.240 of the story is that Kappa actually became divorced at 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.520 some stage, and he remarried a policewoman and they had 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.679 one daughter, whose name is Alexandra. Alexandra has joined the 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:53.840 police force in honor of her father. She was only 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.960 nineteen when her father died. Now, of course, she's now 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.359 in her thirties and she's going very well in the 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:06.359 police force. She recently told our reporters that she owes 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.879 a great debt to Police Legacy, the organization which helped 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:15.959 her and so many others get over the effects of 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:20.560 the injuries and sometimes the deaths that are suffered by 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:29.359 our policemen and women in a line of duty. Thanks 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.360 for listening. 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