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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
Speaker 3: Good Evening.
Speaker 4: Welcome tonight, A bombshell hush money scandal engulfs the alban
Speaker 4: eazy government. We reveal how a parliamentary staffer was twice
Speaker 4: us to sign an NDA overclaims she was bullied when
Speaker 4: she disclosed her rape as a young woman in politics.
Speaker 4: Our exclusive story In a moment and breaking news tonight,
Speaker 4: Russia confirms it wants military access to Indonesia, saying this
Speaker 4: is a defensive move against ucas albanize he needs to
Speaker 4: wake up to these very real threats. Plus doctors call
Speaker 4: out the Prime Minister's many scare campaign saying actually, you
Speaker 4: will still.
Speaker 3: Need to pay for GP visits.
Speaker 4: And John Howard hits the hustings well at eighty five,
Speaker 4: He's still the best politician in the business. I'll talk
Speaker 4: about this with Michael Kroger and rich O Shorty, but
Speaker 4: first tonight, an explosive story of how the Albanese government
Speaker 4: treated a sexual assault victim when she bravely came forward
Speaker 4: to disclose her rape. A Parliamentary House library researcher has
Speaker 4: accused the Albanese government of trying to silence her with
Speaker 4: hush money and confidentiality agreements. This when she came forward
Speaker 4: with allegations of sexual assault and workplace bullying. Anna Huff
Speaker 4: is forty six. She's a mother of three. She received
Speaker 4: legal letters from the Australian Government solicitor offering her a
Speaker 4: low ball sum of money and asking her to sign
Speaker 4: NDAs and Finance Minister Katie Gallagher, who weaponized the treatment
Speaker 4: of women against the Morrison government, allegedly declined to meet
Speaker 4: with the public servant and long term Community and Public
Speaker 4: Sector union member and delegate now. Anna's motivation for coming
Speaker 4: forward now is transparency, accountability, justice, genuine reform and fair compensation.
Speaker 4: She told me that given the ALP's response to an
Speaker 4: alleged parliament House rape cover up last election, the hypocrisy
Speaker 4: on display in their treatment of me, particularly in trying
Speaker 4: to silence me, is quite something. Anna says she was
Speaker 4: raped by a political staffer some twenty years ago, and
Speaker 4: that when she disclosed her experience in recent years she
Speaker 4: was punished, not supported.
Speaker 3: She was just twenty one when.
Speaker 4: She says she was raped and sexually assaulted while working
Speaker 4: as a volunteer for the Australian Democrats political party.
Speaker 3: Here she is as a volunteer at the time with
Speaker 3: a then.
Speaker 4: Australian Democrats leader Natasha Stott de Spoyer, who by the way,
Speaker 4: knew nothing of these serious allegations. Anna stayed silent for
Speaker 4: two decades, but then the national reckoning sparked by Brittany Higgins.
Speaker 4: When the Me Too movement swept Parliament House, it gave
Speaker 4: her the strength to speak up.
Speaker 3: She disclosed her.
Speaker 4: Trauma in twenty twenty one to senior staff in the
Speaker 4: Department of Parliamentary Services, and she claims that as a result,
Speaker 4: she was sidelined, denied promotions, pressured to step down from
Speaker 4: her role, and even treated like a problem, and she
Speaker 4: was asked when she'd be back to normal now. Anna
Speaker 4: eventually resigned in April twenty twenty three, and five months
Speaker 4: later she launched legal action against the Commonwealth, but her
Speaker 4: treatment during this process and before was severely disappointing.
Speaker 3: Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi.
Speaker 4: Had claimed to care about victims of sexual assault.
Speaker 5: Which is why people are angry and frustrated, which is
Speaker 5: why we need to do better, all of us.
Speaker 6: All of us need to.
Speaker 5: Do better, all political parties, all businesses, all workplaces, our
Speaker 5: entire society because sexual assault, and these issues are about
Speaker 5: the power of balance in society.
Speaker 7: That's what it's about, and that's why women are demanding
Speaker 7: change and they're entitled to get it.
Speaker 4: And when the Albanese government was elected, Attorney General Mark
Speaker 4: Dreyfus promised that sexual assault victims wouldn't have to sign
Speaker 4: non disclosure agreements. He said, and I quote, let me
Speaker 4: be clear, while I am the Attorney General, the only
Speaker 4: circumstances under which the existence of a sexual assault or
Speaker 4: sexual harassment claim will be kept confidential is if the
Speaker 4: claimant seeks to keep the settlement confidential. By these very
Speaker 4: categoric assurances from the Attorney General, Anna received two settlement
Speaker 4: offices to settlement offers from the Australian Government solicitor. Both
Speaker 4: were tied to strict confidentiality clauses. She was sent a
Speaker 4: legal letter on the twenty fifth of June twenty twenty
Speaker 4: four from the Australian Government solicitor offering her a modest
Speaker 4: sum of money in return for confidentiality obligations. And this
Speaker 4: would have meant that Anna would have been limited in
Speaker 4: how she could speak about her experience. She wouldn't have
Speaker 4: been able to tell her full story and she was
Speaker 4: then given another offer of a sum of money on
Speaker 4: the twenty sixth of July twenty twenty four, just last year,
Speaker 4: again with a confidentiality clause. Her lawyer said that this
Speaker 4: violates the Attorney General's own directives along with the standards
Speaker 4: set out in the landmark set the Standard Report. It
Speaker 4: was a report that Anna herself helped inform. Then just
Speaker 4: last month, on the sixth of March, Anna's lawyers sent
Speaker 4: a letter to the Attorney General's Department where they said
Speaker 4: this the Australian Government Solicitor has failed to comply with
Speaker 4: the Attorney General's direction, in particular not to seek any
Speaker 4: level of confidentiality in sexual harassment and sexual assault matters
Speaker 4: unless requested.
Speaker 3: By the claimant. Now.
Speaker 4: I asked Mark Dreyfus's office why the Australian Government Solicitor
Speaker 4: had failed to comply with his direction on confidentiality provisions.
Speaker 4: I also asked whether he was disappointed that a sexual
Speaker 4: assault victim had been twice asked to sign a confidentiality agreement.
Speaker 4: He didn't respond, but a spokesman for the Attorney General's
Speaker 4: Department said it would not be appropriate to comment on
Speaker 4: any ongoing legal matter. And there is no incident since
Speaker 4: June twenty twenty two whether the Attorney General or Delegate
Speaker 4: has approved settlement terms in a workplace sexual harassment or
Speaker 4: sexual assault matter that are inconsistent with the guidelines and
Speaker 4: the use of confidentiality clauses in the resolution of workplace
Speaker 4: sexual harassment complaints or the Attorney General statement in the
Speaker 4: Canbra Times dated ninth of November twenty twenty four. Now,
Speaker 4: Brittany Higgins was paid more than two million dollars and
Speaker 4: her case was raised by Labor politicians in Parliament on
Speaker 4: a daily basis. But Anna Huff was offered a small
Speaker 4: fraction of that amount and she was asked twice to
Speaker 4: sign secrecy agreements by the Australian government. Solicitor Finance Minister
Speaker 4: Katie Gallagher was one of those who strongly backed Britney
Speaker 4: Higgins when she spoke up about her rape allegations.
Speaker 8: The fact remains that those who owed Miss Higgins a
Speaker 8: direct duty of care had known of this for almost
Speaker 8: two years and did nothing to make changes or improved
Speaker 8: culture and safety in the workplace when this incident had occurred.
Speaker 4: But Senator Gallagher, who's by the way, also the Minister
Speaker 4: for women has allegedly declined to meet with Anna Huff.
Speaker 4: There were requests made to Senator Gallagher via the Attorney
Speaker 4: General's Department and another request was also via an email
Speaker 4: from Green Senator Larissa Waters to the Parliamentary Leadership Task
Speaker 4: forss Now. Senator Gallagher's spokesman told me that we have
Speaker 4: not received such a request. The Department of Parliamentary Services
Speaker 4: haven't responded to my request for comment now.
Speaker 3: In her work as a.
Speaker 4: Parliamentary Library researcher, Anna contributed to Sex Discrimination Commissioner Kate
Speaker 4: Jenkins set the standard report and here she is pictured
Speaker 4: with Kate Jenkins and Anna is proud of her work
Speaker 4: on women's issues and tonight, Anna says she's speaking publicly
Speaker 4: because silence hasn't worked, and also because other victims she
Speaker 4: claims are being treated the same way. And by the way,
Speaker 4: Anna has had political party memberships before. They're with the Democrats,
Speaker 4: the ALP and the Greens in her younger years, she's
Speaker 4: never been a member of the Liberal Party and she
Speaker 4: hasn't had any political affiliations since twenty twelve. But she's
Speaker 4: worried about how women are now still being treated in
Speaker 4: politics in parliament House, and Anna told me the parliamentary
Speaker 4: workplace reforms a little.
Speaker 3: More than window dressing. She said.
Speaker 4: When the Set the Standard Report was released in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one, the Sex Discrimination Commissioner Kate Jenkins said victims
Speaker 4: should not have to go to the media in order
Speaker 4: to achieve accountability. She says her experience proves that apparently
Speaker 4: they still do. And Anna said she's also aware that
Speaker 4: other victims are being pressured to accept inadequate settlements and
Speaker 4: also sign confidentiality agreements. She said, I want transparency, I
Speaker 4: want accountability. I want fair compensation, not just for me,
Speaker 4: but for everyone who's been abused in a parliamentary workplace.
Speaker 3: When I was raped, the.
Speaker 4: Message was that I didn't matter. When I was bullied
Speaker 4: and discriminated against after disclosing my trauma, the message was
Speaker 4: that I didn't matter. When I sought justice and was
Speaker 4: told my pain was worth a small fraction of someone else's,
Speaker 4: the message was that I didn't matter. My message to
Speaker 4: the government is this, I do matter. Other victims matter,
Speaker 4: Equality before the law matters, and she says, I refuse
Speaker 4: to be treated as a second class victim for one
Speaker 4: day longer. These are brave words from a woman who
Speaker 4: deserves much better from the Albanese government, especially when you
Speaker 4: consider just how labor weaponized the treatment of women before
Speaker 4: the last election. Okay, let's go to some breaking news tonight.
Speaker 4: Russia's ambassador to Indonesia has confirmed that Russia is looking
Speaker 4: to strengthen military ties with Indonesia. The Australian reports that
Speaker 4: Russia's envoy to Jakarta has sought to frame Moscow's request
Speaker 4: for military access to an Indonesian Air Force base as
Speaker 4: a defensive move in light of the Orchest Security Pact
Speaker 4: and what it calls alarming plans to deploy US intermediate
Speaker 4: range missiles in Australia that it says would put Indonesia
Speaker 4: within rage. Now, Russian Ambassador to Indonesia, Sergei Tolchanov, has
Speaker 4: issued statement this evening that says military cooperation is an
Speaker 4: integral part of the intergovernmental relations between the Russian Federation
Speaker 4: and the Republic of Indonesia.
Speaker 3: He says it is solely of.
Speaker 4: Bilateral character and based on a relevant legal framework and
Speaker 4: the national legislation of each respective country. Now, there are
Speaker 4: major concerns in the West, in Australia and the United
Speaker 4: States about the bricks grouping, which includes Russia and Indonesia.
Speaker 4: But this confirmation from Russia comes after our Prime minister
Speaker 4: today refused to confirm whether or not Indonesia did receive
Speaker 4: a request to station Russian airplanes and an airbase.
Speaker 3: Just one four hundred kilometers from our mainland. Here was Albanezi,
Speaker 3: this is.
Speaker 7: Not being well, my question was do you know about
Speaker 7: the request? Well, it's not clear what, it's not clear
Speaker 7: what the jan you're assuming the change report is correct,
Speaker 7: and there is no basis for you assuming that. Secondly,
Speaker 7: second second, a request.
Speaker 3: Was never made.
Speaker 1: We know that for sure that a request was not made.
Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 7: I'm saying, I'll act diplomatically with our friends in Indonesia,
Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Well, after this statement from Russia's ambassador, you think Albanese
Speaker 4: is going to have to come up with a new
Speaker 4: line when he's pressed on this by the media tomorrow. So,
Speaker 4: as I've said, Russia has now confirmed it is looking
Speaker 4: to strengthen military ties with Indonesia. Now Here was former
Speaker 4: Home Affair Secretary Mike Bozullo speaking about the concerns around
Speaker 4: this alliance earlier today.
Speaker 2: Any attack on Australia is likely to come from Indonesia
Speaker 2: unlikely or through Indonesia possible. And so that's why foreign
Speaker 2: basing in Indonesia is so is something that's of high
Speaker 2: interest our intelligence analysts to the government right to discuss.
Speaker 4: Let's bring in our former Victorian Liberal Party leader Michael
Speaker 4: Kroger and labor legend Graham Richardson.
Speaker 3: Welcome to you both. Michael.
Speaker 4: Look as we just heard that Mike Bozulo says that
Speaker 4: foreign bases in Indonesia is something that's of concern to our
Speaker 4: intelligence analysts.
Speaker 3: Yet we saw today the.
Speaker 4: Albanese's refusal to answer just basic questions on this. I mean,
Speaker 4: he seems not interested in foreign policy.
Speaker 9: He never has been, you know. But should we be
Speaker 9: concerned absolutely what Russian planes, Russian Russian fighter jets now
Speaker 9: coming to Indonesia. You've got an aggressive Chinese government in
Speaker 9: the South China Sea. This would be this would have
Speaker 9: dramatic consequences for the security of the Pacific. If the
Speaker 9: Russians had ventured that far to have to have fighter
Speaker 9: jets in Indonesia, it would change the whole security arrangements
Speaker 9: in Australia and to the north. And is extremely alarming.
Speaker 9: But he doesn't know anything about foreign policy. He's never
Speaker 9: been terribly interested in foreign policy apart from apart from Palestine.
Speaker 3: Exactly, or any policy for that matter.
Speaker 4: Rich O, you know, we heard from Alberan Easy and
Speaker 4: Richard Mars today and others are saying that this was
Speaker 4: all simply not true. Well, what are they going to
Speaker 4: say tomorrow, given that Russia has come out and give
Speaker 4: it a statement on this.
Speaker 10: Well, first word would probably be whoops, because it seems
Speaker 10: that they made a mistake. And so I think you've
Speaker 10: got to walk back when you make a mistake because
Speaker 10: the mob will always work you out. As I always say,
Speaker 10: so you just put your hand up and say sorry,
Speaker 10: got that wrong.
Speaker 4: Well are the mob working elbow out yet, do you think,
Speaker 4: rich O?
Speaker 10: I think they work him out. They like him, there's
Speaker 10: no question about that. Is a very likable fellow. I
Speaker 10: can understand that. But the fact that they like him
Speaker 10: doesn't mean that he has ultimate trust. He's got a
Speaker 10: lot of trust, a lot of faith in him has
Speaker 10: been invested, but he's still got to keep it on
Speaker 10: his toes.
Speaker 3: It's funny.
Speaker 4: I was literally saying on air last night that there's
Speaker 4: only two people I know out of everyone I know
Speaker 4: who thinks Albanize is doing a good job, and it's
Speaker 4: you Rich oh, and it's Joe Hildebrand and everyone else,
Speaker 4: even if their lifelong labor voters think he has not
Speaker 4: done a good job, and you know they're worse off.
Speaker 3: Now outfit there you'd go.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about this medi scare fear campaign from ALBANIZI.
Speaker 3: It's been relentless. Now, the scrutiny on.
Speaker 4: This was quite slow, in my opinion, but now doctors
Speaker 4: and the media are starting to call out the Prime
Speaker 4: Minister's central campaign promise.
Speaker 3: They say it's false.
Speaker 4: Now Alberize's policy it's eight point five billion dollars and
Speaker 4: it tells voters that they're not going to need a
Speaker 4: credit card to see a doctor, they'll just need their
Speaker 4: Many Care card. Now this has been slammed by doctors.
Speaker 4: Here is the Australian Medical Association's President, Danniel McMullan.
Speaker 11: Today, in many parts of Australia we're seeing out of
Speaker 11: the average out of pocket cost is just above forty
Speaker 11: dollars and so the twenty dollars extra incentive doesn't meet
Speaker 11: the costs of providing that comprehensive care.
Speaker 2: So there is there is still truth to the claim
Speaker 2: that yes, you need a Medicare card, but you also
Speaker 2: need a credit card and that'll continue.
Speaker 11: It does depend. It's important that Australians get access to
Speaker 11: that high quality, comprehensive care, and for some people that
Speaker 11: will still mean paying an out of pocket cost.
Speaker 4: And Michael, this issue was front page of the papers today.
Speaker 4: The Australian reported that frontline gps have been widely discussing
Speaker 4: how they do not expect their practice to become fully
Speaker 4: bulk billing and they won't be in a position to
Speaker 4: utilize the triple bulk billing incentive for most of their
Speaker 4: patients because doing so would represent a pay cut and
Speaker 4: then make their practice unviable. But Michael, this is just
Speaker 4: simply an obvious fact, isn't it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, of course, But look, let me pay credit to
Speaker 9: Graham who one of his other famous statements was, whatever
Speaker 9: it takes Albanize is number one brand equity, Labour's number
Speaker 9: one brand equity. The number one reason people vote for
Speaker 9: the Labor Party is essentially because of Medicare right. Medicare
Speaker 9: is theoretically under attack in every single election from sixteen onwards.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 9: They took a pause in nineteen because they're increasing taxes.
Speaker 9: But this is the one thing Labour does that every election.
Speaker 9: Medicare is under enormous stress, and even when it's not,
Speaker 9: they throw more money at it. You've got to get
Speaker 9: people talking about medicare in Labour's opinion.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 9: They can't talk about cost of living, immigration, crime, foreign policy,
Speaker 9: you know, the Middle East anymore? You know, none of
Speaker 9: those subjects the two seventy five, so their whole campaign
Speaker 9: is based on every two or three days is a
Speaker 9: rip trip on Medicare. Now, what's happened today? Albert's been
Speaker 9: caught out as just a ballfaced liar. I mean, you
Speaker 9: know it's not that card, albou. You should put up
Speaker 9: the other hand with the credit card as well as
Speaker 9: everyone now knows. But it doesn't matter to Labor. They
Speaker 9: just keep telling the same lie. And he says it
Speaker 9: in press conferences and Chalmers said it that Dutton is
Speaker 9: going to slash and burn medicare. If I haven't heard
Speaker 9: that once, I've heard it a dozen times. No enterprising journalists,
Speaker 9: no over than our friend today who asked Dutton about women.
Speaker 9: None of those journalists you know, have said one word
Speaker 9: to Alba about sorry, where is Peter Dutton slashing and burning?
Speaker 9: Not a single question? So this is a lie, Labor perpetuate.
Speaker 9: They cat flat from insiders online, but amongst the great
Speaker 9: populace they think Medicaire is under attack again.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is.
Speaker 4: It is a complete scare campaign. And you remember how
Speaker 4: angry Malcolm Turmble was when Labor first rolled this out
Speaker 4: and sent the text messages a couple days before the
Speaker 4: election that Madie Care was going to be scrapped it
Speaker 4: and yet it worked, and so they're still doing it, Richo.
Speaker 4: This is set to be another broken promise, no question
Speaker 4: about it. People are going to still the most Australians
Speaker 4: will still have to keep paying for their visits to
Speaker 4: the GP. But you know, the Australians don't seem to
Speaker 4: wake up. They don't seem to wake up to the
Speaker 4: fact that the broken promise at the last election was
Speaker 4: over the cheaper cost of living in power bills as well.
Speaker 12: Well.
Speaker 10: I mean, I think you look at an overall package
Speaker 10: and very rarely does a politician keep every single line
Speaker 10: of an overall package. They don't keep them all late
Speaker 10: they'll drops up. It's inevitable and that's what's happened here.
Speaker 10: But if you look at the numbers when that the
Speaker 10: polls produce, didn't seem to be doing Anthony much damage.
Speaker 10: So I guess you'll keep going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's not. It's helping him, that's for sure.
Speaker 4: Now we saw John Howard campaigning in Wa today and
Speaker 4: he's looking it's just a reminder of what a great
Speaker 4: leader he was and how it's been such a long time.
Speaker 4: I'm really since Australia has had a solid, competent prime minister.
Speaker 3: Here he was.
Speaker 13: I don't think we lost a lot of safe seats.
Speaker 13: We lost a safe seat to a Teal in Kurtin,
Speaker 13: and I just simply say to people who've voted for
Speaker 13: the independent teal in Curtain, if you want at this
Speaker 13: election to get rid of mister Albin Easy he don't
Speaker 13: vote Toeal. Could you end up not getting a change
Speaker 13: of government?
Speaker 4: I mean Michael So he was speaking there, of course
Speaker 4: about the seat of Curtain which was lost to a Teal.
Speaker 4: He's hoping to help Dutton win it back. But isn't
Speaker 4: it incredible to see John Howard is eighty five now
Speaker 4: and he's traveling the country to Wa because he's so
Speaker 4: committed that he wants to help the Liberal Party, he
Speaker 4: wants to help Australia.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he is phenomenal. He's done a number of events
Speaker 9: for seats in Melbourne. He has a lot more requests
Speaker 9: than vents that he can do because he's getting a
Speaker 9: little bit older unlike the rest of us. But he
Speaker 9: came to a couple of events in Melbourne and I
Speaker 9: happily chaffed him to one and he was utterly magnificent.
Speaker 9: At lunch we're at in the electorate of Bruce and
Speaker 9: one of the interesting things was someone was asking him about,
Speaker 9: you know, the level of debt in this country, what
Speaker 9: we would do about you know, things obviously can't keep
Speaker 9: going like this. And this person was asking John howd
Speaker 9: about whether Labor would introduce inheritance taxes, death duties, etc.
Speaker 9: Which has always been the you know, the dream of
Speaker 9: the left of the Labor Party. And you know, the
Speaker 9: basic view was wanting to reveal private conversations that sooner
Speaker 9: or later Labor has to do something about the debt
Speaker 9: level in this country, as we do if we're elected.
Speaker 1: Just the debt just.
Speaker 9: Can't keep growing as it is. Labor is not so
Speaker 9: much about growing the economy. It's about increasing taxes, so
Speaker 9: that could possibly be on the gener He's ruled our
Speaker 9: changes to capital gain saxon negative gearing, so why not
Speaker 9: inheritance taxes? So you never know what Albany's He's going
Speaker 9: to do the.
Speaker 3: Way Albert easy. And you might remember this, rich Sho.
Speaker 4: Back when he was a young bloke, he argued for
Speaker 4: inheritance taxes. I wrote this story at the last election.
Speaker 4: It was the front page of The Australian and he was.
Speaker 3: So angry about it.
Speaker 4: But it's his own record, Richo.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that he was.
Speaker 4: This radical figure arguing literally for death duties.
Speaker 10: I remember as secretary of the party he knew South Wales.
Speaker 10: They're just slapping him down every now and again because
Speaker 10: he was the radical, young lefty, but he's always been
Speaker 10: very good.
Speaker 9: Might need to give you, You might need to give
Speaker 9: him another ring, rich O.
Speaker 10: It may happen.
Speaker 4: Don't worry.
Speaker 13: It may happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'll tell you what death duties would
Speaker 4: be a killer if that came out, But that's what
Speaker 4: he was planning to do.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Housing is taking center stage this campaign. We saw the
Speaker 4: debate today between Michael Sucker and Clara O'Neil at the
Speaker 4: Press Club. But then alban Easy was also asked if
Speaker 4: he would personally accept responsibility for the housing crisis.
Speaker 14: Have a look, do you accept responsibility for the housing
Speaker 14: christ given you allowed in a million people net migration
Speaker 14: in two years and the minister who was responsible for
Speaker 14: that mess. So you've got your mate Tony Burker feeling
Speaker 14: for you've now put in the housing portfolio. Ironically, do
Speaker 14: you accept any responsibility for the housing crisis? Do you
Speaker 14: want that median house price to drop? You say your
Speaker 14: policy is about supply. Do you want that median house
Speaker 14: price to drop?
Speaker 2: Look?
Speaker 7: Historically in Australia, you've been around a while andrew prices
Speaker 7: tend to rise.
Speaker 3: No answer of substance there.
Speaker 4: But Richo, do you think housing is emerging as a
Speaker 4: central issue that people decide votes on this election or
Speaker 4: do you think this is mainly one of the issues
Speaker 4: that the leaders are talking about to try and pick
Speaker 4: up the younger vote.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think the latter is probably closer to the truth.
Speaker 10: I don't believe there's something that everyone knows Radia is
Speaker 10: talking about it. It's not on everyone's lips. But if
Speaker 10: for a young person of course, it's very much on
Speaker 10: your lips because you know, getting into your first house
Speaker 10: is such an important thing. So if I was, if
Speaker 10: I was elbow, I'd keep talking about that because I
Speaker 10: think it's right up. He's alli. But when the crunch comes,
Speaker 10: you know, labor, when people on things like housing and education,
Speaker 10: et cetera, and los on defense and some other things.
Speaker 10: That's pretty well always been the case, and I don't
Speaker 10: think it's changing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, rich O, Michael Kroger, Great to see
Speaker 4: you again. I'll see you next week on Wednesday night
Speaker 4: as always. Now, The Australian Today reported that a labor
Speaker 4: linked climate charity has been getting thousands of dollars from
Speaker 4: clean energy firms that are blacklisted in America over slave
Speaker 4: labor concerns. Now, this is the Smart Energy Council that
Speaker 4: donates to labor. It's responsible also for the disputed claim
Speaker 4: that Dutton's nuclear policy will cost six hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 4: These revelations today were highly damaging. Sarah Eisen reported that
Speaker 4: The Australian can reveal a number of the Smart Energy
Speaker 4: Council sponsors and twenty twenty five conference exhibitors, including major
Speaker 4: solar panel manufacturer Jinko Solar have been in broiled and
Speaker 4: allegations over forced labor in the oppression of minority groups,
Speaker 4: including the wigas in China's Shinshang region. Right, let's bring
Speaker 4: in now the Institute of Public Affairs Research fellow Saxon,
Speaker 4: Davidson Saxon, These are very concerning. Can you tell us
Speaker 4: about these revelations?
Speaker 12: Oh, this is highly concerning and questions need to be
Speaker 12: asked and answers need to be given about the relationships
Speaker 12: between the Smart Energy Council its sponsors and the potential
Speaker 12: slave labor that exists in this industry. But the doubt
Speaker 12: that exists over the supply chain of solar panels in
Speaker 12: particular exists as a natural consequence of the adoption of
Speaker 12: the policy of net zero at the national level. These
Speaker 12: supply chain issues wouldn't be existing if we had pursued
Speaker 12: with gas and coal industries that employ hundreds of thousands
Speaker 12: of Australians who work in good and well paying jobs.
Speaker 12: And instead we are increasingly ceding our energy sovereignty to China,
Speaker 12: who are by far the largest exporters of wind and
Speaker 12: solar products in the world.
Speaker 4: But going to this specific issue, what can you tell
Speaker 4: us about the slave labor concerns around the solar panels,
Speaker 4: because you know so much for green energy being superior
Speaker 4: on a moral standing.
Speaker 12: Well, there was a report from the Heritage Foundation a
Speaker 12: couple of years back that found that eighty percent of
Speaker 12: solar components are manufactured in China using slave labor. Now,
Speaker 12: as you know, Australia is a modern liberal democracy with
Speaker 12: Enlightenment values, and we must ensure that there are no
Speaker 12: solar product here in Australia which have gone through a
Speaker 12: supply chain that involves slave labor. And if there are,
Speaker 12: then that's only another reason why we should be abandoning
Speaker 12: this net zero ft fallacy and should be continuing with
Speaker 12: our baseloads power sources.
Speaker 4: I just want to ask you about another story that's
Speaker 4: been big news tonight in the UK in the Supreme Court,
Speaker 4: there's been a ruling just in the past few hours
Speaker 4: that the word woman in UK law refers to biological sex.
Speaker 3: He was part of that ruling.
Speaker 15: The unanimous decision of this court is that the terms
Speaker 15: woman and sex in the Equality Act twenty to ten
Speaker 15: refer to a biological woman and biological sex.
Speaker 3: It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 4: This question really needs to go to the Supreme Court,
Speaker 4: isn't it?
Speaker 12: This is just a win for common sense And it
Speaker 12: isn't saying that this this had to go so far
Speaker 12: and we needed a judge to adjudicate what the definition
Speaker 12: of a woman is. But it really just reveals sort
Speaker 12: of that we've given too much airspace to these quite
Speaker 12: radical gender theorists and we need to be we need
Speaker 12: to not allow this debate, if you can call it that,
Speaker 12: to go any further, and yet it will.
Speaker 4: Saxon Davidson, thank you very much for your time. Now
Speaker 4: still to come. The lanx Wayne Swine went to edit
Speaker 4: this photograph that you've seen tonight to make it seem.
Speaker 3: Like he wasn't hanging out in the chairman's lounge. Plus,
Speaker 3: do we need another baby bonus?
Speaker 4: Peter Costelli says so, well, look at why the birthrate
Speaker 4: is declining, and demographer Mark McCrindle would join.
Speaker 3: Me shortly welcome back.
Speaker 4: We'll remember this Australia's baby bonus when Treasurer Peter Costello
Speaker 4: spooked a three thousand dollars incentive to have a child.
Speaker 3: And he looks much younger there, doesn't he?
Speaker 4: I was in two thousand and five and Australians, we're
Speaker 4: being told.
Speaker 2: This one for your husband and one for your wife
Speaker 2: and one for the country.
Speaker 4: Well, our birth rate has unfortunately taken a major dive
Speaker 4: since and it's prompted Costello to re enter this debate.
Speaker 4: He's told The Australian that the fertility rates have dropped
Speaker 4: even faster than we expected. Back in two thousand and two,
Speaker 4: we thought it would be one point six by twenty forty.
Speaker 4: In fact, in twenty twenty three it dropped to one
Speaker 4: point five. He means one point five children per mother.
Speaker 4: Now we are facing stronger headwinds in the future with
Speaker 4: fertility decline and an increase in the age dependency ratio.
Speaker 4: That means, all other things being equal, productivity growth.
Speaker 3: Will be less. We discuss.
Speaker 4: Let's bring in now a leading demographer, Mark McCrindle.
Speaker 3: Mark, great to see you.
Speaker 4: Look, this is a concerning plummet and the birth rate.
Speaker 4: Why is this the case in countries like Australia.
Speaker 16: Well, we've got more people saying education, particularly young people,
Speaker 16: they're starting their careers later and when they do start
Speaker 16: their earnings years and couple up and think about starting
Speaker 16: a family, they're carrying a fair bit of debt, and
Speaker 16: we know that most couples do like to do their
Speaker 16: nesting before starting a family in terms of having some
Speaker 16: housing security, and with cost of housing and living, that's
Speaker 16: further delayed starting families or led to reduced family sizes.
Speaker 16: Thus this lowest birth rate ever on our record.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is replicated in other parts of the world,
Speaker 4: but you know, you kind of mentioned their cost of living.
Speaker 4: Is this a major factor that people can't afford to
Speaker 4: have children at the moment.
Speaker 16: Yeah, it is. It's expensive, and it's not that more
Speaker 16: women are having no children, it's that fewer women are
Speaker 16: having the second or the third. That's what's really dropped
Speaker 16: this birth rate to the lowest ever. We've got twenty
Speaker 16: thousand fewer births today than we did twenty years ago,
Speaker 16: sorry a decade ago, Fewer than a decade ago, even
Speaker 16: though we've got a much larger population. So it really
Speaker 16: has hit a loough ebb. We know that countries can
Speaker 16: turn it around, because you look at Hungry. They had
Speaker 16: a birth rate willblow hours. They were down to one
Speaker 16: point two. They brought in tax incentives for couples, particularly mums,
Speaker 16: reduced tax and they're now almost at one point six,
Speaker 16: So it can be done with the right policy, in
Speaker 16: the right incentives or do you think.
Speaker 4: Our politicians should be looking at that having policies to
Speaker 4: incentivize parents to have more kids.
Speaker 16: Yeah, definitely, And we know that Peter Costello's plan had worked.
Speaker 16: The footage it just showed back then the birth rate
Speaker 16: was falling, but by two thousand and eight it had
Speaker 16: turned around and it headed above two. It was down
Speaker 16: to one point seven headed to replacement rates. If a
Speaker 16: couple producers two children, they replaced themselves. Now, we hadn't
Speaker 16: got to replacement rates since the nineteen seventies, so that
Speaker 16: baby bonus did turn it around. Since then, it's been
Speaker 16: sliding to this record low. So we've got to do something,
Speaker 16: and we do have a record to show that. You know,
Speaker 16: bonuses and facts like that do turn around. We've put
Speaker 16: billions into childcare subsceis that hasn't made a difference at all.
Speaker 16: It might help when parents have one, but if they
Speaker 16: want to go for two or three, it really is
Speaker 16: hard to manage it. The extra costs of childcare. You know,
Speaker 16: they want to look after the children themselves, they want
Speaker 16: to have their parents, that grandparents involved, and so rather
Speaker 16: than sort of doubling all the on just childcare. If
Speaker 16: there was broader policies, maybe like the money went to
Speaker 16: the family to spend how they would want it, it
Speaker 16: might do better than what's happening at the moment.
Speaker 4: We were speaking on the show last night about how
Speaker 4: you know so many teenagers, Well how about how Facebook
Speaker 4: is exploiting children at the moment, picking up their anxieties
Speaker 4: and depression. We're seeing a whole generation that's just glued
Speaker 4: to their phones. How does this affect the fact dynamic
Speaker 4: as well? When you have teenagers who and sure teenagers
Speaker 4: might never have been terribly communicative, but you know who
Speaker 4: are attached to their phones the whole time, even at
Speaker 4: the dinner table.
Speaker 16: Well, yeah, definitely. I mean, we need the social skills
Speaker 16: to develop the relationships and we need that vote in
Speaker 16: the future. You know, having a child is an investment
Speaker 16: to say I believe in the future, I believe in
Speaker 16: where we're going, and I want to bring the next
Speaker 16: generation into the world. But we really have so much
Speaker 16: doom and gloom and what's the future of the planet
Speaker 16: going to be? Like that that has had an impact
Speaker 16: as well. If people are still talking about overpopulation, they've
Speaker 16: missed the memo. We've got a slowing birth rate and
Speaker 16: birth numbers globally. The current generation globally will be slightly
Speaker 16: smaller than the one we've just had, and the population
Speaker 16: is going to slow globally as we hit the middle
Speaker 16: of this century and then begin a decline by the
Speaker 16: end of the century. So the problem is not overpopulation,
Speaker 16: but two low birth rates right around the world, Australia included.
Speaker 16: We've got this aging population, which we find ourselves. We've
Speaker 16: leaned on the migration lever, probably too much because we're
Speaker 16: redlining on that side and not encouraging that the births.
Speaker 16: In fact, the migration I was a pricing young couples
Speaker 16: out of the family family home market, and so we
Speaker 16: have this suspicious cycle of declining berths.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the housing crisis as well.
Speaker 4: Mike McCrindle, so interesting, Really appreciate your time, Thanks so much.
Speaker 4: Thanks very Now after the break, Joe Biden he's back
Speaker 4: and so are the Gaffes. We'll see his train wreck appearance,
Speaker 4: plus the latest on the shocking fire bombing.
Speaker 3: Of Joshapiro's home.
Speaker 4: I'll talk about this with Michael Dowmby and James Ashby next.
Speaker 3: All right, welcome back. Let's bring in now one Nation Chief.
Speaker 4: Of Staff James Ashby and Farmer Labor EMP Michael Danby.
Speaker 3: Great to see you both. Have a look. Joe Biden has.
Speaker 4: Spoken publicly for the first time since Donald Trump became
Speaker 4: president and got off to a rocky start. The farmer
Speaker 4: leader of the free world started bumbling over some blaring music.
Speaker 8: Here he was, thank you.
Speaker 17: Green Gill, we deserve help.
Speaker 3: And it didn't get any better.
Speaker 17: And I had never seen I had never seen hardly
Speaker 17: any black people, and Scranton at the time when and
Speaker 17: I was only going on fourth grade, and I remember
Speaker 17: seeing the kids going by at the time called colored kids,
Speaker 17: and a bus going by.
Speaker 3: Michael.
Speaker 4: Maybe they need to roll him out every now and then,
Speaker 4: just so Donald Trump doesn't look so bad or chaotic.
Speaker 6: I described doctor Jill Brighton because surely she's a doctor
Speaker 6: like doctor Monique Ryan, as the Lady macbeth of American politics.
Speaker 6: She and his four Chief of staff Ron Klein, and
Speaker 6: the White House doctor did something terrible to the United States,
Speaker 6: to America, to the Democratic Party, to all of freedom
Speaker 6: loving people around the world. But keeping that man in office,
Speaker 6: and this reappearance reminds us of how bad it was.
Speaker 4: It's interesting, James, because Alban Easy keeps trying to compare
Speaker 4: Peter Dutton to Donald Trump, you know, as if it's
Speaker 4: a big insult and turning Australians off. But at one nation,
Speaker 4: you guys, you don't have that problem.
Speaker 1: No, we certainly don't. At the moment, our poles seem
Speaker 1: to be doing pretty well. But ultimately, the ultimate test
Speaker 1: is on May three, so we'll wait to see what
Speaker 1: the results of that are before we get to Cocky. Look,
Speaker 1: isn't it a strange here they lock him up prior
Speaker 1: to an election, but immediately after he's free to go
Speaker 1: and give all these speeches. He hasn't changed, though he's
Speaker 1: still bumbling his way through. It just proves it was
Speaker 1: a good decision not to run him. And thank goodness
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is the president of the United States,
Speaker 1: not this old geriatric.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 4: On Sunday we saw Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 3: His home was gutted by fire, just shocking.
Speaker 4: Fortunately no one was injured in this fire bombing, but
Speaker 4: his wife and their four children plus another family had
Speaker 4: to evacuate. Now, of course, look, Josh, he's a Democrat,
Speaker 4: but he is proud of his Jewish faith. Michael, what
Speaker 4: do we know about the motivations behind this attack?
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, he's the hope of the future
Speaker 6: of moderate centurist Democrats, and so an attack on him
Speaker 6: is a big danger to the future of American politics.
Speaker 6: He's a great guy, but there's a palpable fear amongst
Speaker 6: anyone who is pro Israel or Jewish in any part
Speaker 6: of the world.
Speaker 13: Leadership.
Speaker 6: You know that Shari Alex Ripchen, who's the leader of
Speaker 6: the Jewish community in Sydney, had his home targeted. That's
Speaker 6: why these woke and weak political leaders and police forces
Speaker 6: are a danger to all of our societies. When they
Speaker 6: let that thing rip on October the eighth on the
Speaker 6: steps of Sydney Parliament House. You understand, I understand that
Speaker 6: things like what happened to Dan Shapiro are going to
Speaker 6: happen all over the world. These Islamists and Jihadis feel
Speaker 6: empowered by the weakness of Western states.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have cose met Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 4: That absolutely awful to see anti Semitism reaching that sort
Speaker 4: of level. On a lighter note, this has made the
Speaker 4: news this afternoon because it's just so hilarious. The epitome
Speaker 4: of a social media fail. These two social media posts.
Speaker 4: So first, Tanya Plibus put up a photograph the one
Speaker 4: on the left, showing her with Julie Gillard and Wayne
Speaker 4: Swan in the Chairman's Club lounge. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: Wayne Swan put up the photo on the right where
Speaker 4: he blacked out or white it out the background of
Speaker 4: the image so that you know, no one would know
Speaker 4: they were in the Chairman's Lounge. Presumably he wanted to
Speaker 4: help his mate Alban easy because this brings back the
Speaker 4: stories about how Albo scored a Chairman's Lounge membership for
Speaker 4: his son Nathan James.
Speaker 1: Look, let's not get too carried away with the fact
Speaker 1: that all politicians have access to this same lounge. They're
Speaker 1: just not silly enough to rub it in the faces
Speaker 1: of the everyday ordinary person who's got to sit out
Speaker 1: there and pay thirty bucks for a meal which is
Speaker 1: getting dearer and dearer at airport. So no, they're just dumb.
Speaker 1: Let's just put it that way for posting this and
Speaker 1: criticize rightly for the fact that people are struggling out
Speaker 1: there and here they are fair glass of Muwey, which
Speaker 1: is served up in the chairman's lounge, and you've got
Speaker 1: a personal chef in there. I'm surprised they didn't pull
Speaker 1: in the chef as well to get in that selfie.
Speaker 1: It's silly, I mean, because, let's face it, that's what happens.
Speaker 4: But James, you say most politicians have access to the
Speaker 4: chairman's lounge, and they do, but most of them don't
Speaker 4: ask the head of quantas to get their son membership
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what Alban Eazy did, that his next level.
Speaker 6: But James's right, cherry, even that grim Marxist head of
Speaker 6: the Greens. So Adam Bant is a member of the
Speaker 6: chairman's lounge. And I know a former chairman of the
Speaker 6: Greens party who used to sneak out of the Chairman's
Speaker 6: lounge forty minutes before the plane left, so the punters
Speaker 6: would all think that he was a galitarian.
Speaker 4: Oh god, well, speaking of the Greens, Michael, your old
Speaker 4: seed of McNamara. Look, Josh Burns is the Labor MP.
Speaker 3: He's trying to win it again.
Speaker 4: This is a difficult It's got a lot of Greens members,
Speaker 4: it's got a lot of Jewish members in it.
Speaker 3: What do you think is going to happen here?
Speaker 6: Well, the twelve percent margin is rubbish. I'm disappointed that
Speaker 6: Josh is running an open ticket where he just puts
Speaker 6: himself number one. I can reveal on the program tonight
Speaker 6: Charry that Tony Lupton and I will have the prepolling
Speaker 6: manned everywhere by volunteers who are going to give out
Speaker 6: a Labor ticket but tell people to give the Liberals
Speaker 6: a higher preference than the Green political Party because that's
Speaker 6: what people want to do in Macnamara. So it's possible
Speaker 6: if Josh Burns runs third, he will be eliminated and
Speaker 6: his preferences normally would go overwhelmingly to the Greens, and
Speaker 6: the Greens would be elected rather than Benson solo. The
Speaker 6: Liberal Party. But we're determined to thwart the plans of
Speaker 6: the extremist Greens and will be issuing a vote yes
Speaker 6: Labor ticket but giving the preferences not.
Speaker 2: To the Greens.
Speaker 3: I have to say I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: I mean you you get kicked out of the Labor
Speaker 1: Party for that, Michael, because I'm interested in that you
Speaker 1: still a member of the Labor Party, because I see
Speaker 1: you chucked that.
Speaker 6: James that's all I can say.
Speaker 13: Let them try.
Speaker 6: They make such bad publicity for themselves.
Speaker 10: I agree they have.
Speaker 6: Someone on there who would be able to argue exactly
Speaker 6: what they're doing.
Speaker 3: In Michael, I to believe.
Speaker 4: I've got it hard to believe you, Michael, are genuinely
Speaker 4: going to vote for Albo and Penny Wong and Tony Burke.
Speaker 3: I find that hard to believe.
Speaker 4: I'm going to call you on my way home and
Speaker 4: see if that's true.
Speaker 6: I do very wise, but we've got to issue a
Speaker 6: ticket to labor. Thirty percent of our electorate are still
Speaker 6: going to vote Labor, and we don't want them to
Speaker 6: give their preferences to the Greens. That's the political effort
Speaker 6: being undertaken.
Speaker 4: Okay, got to go, James Ashually, Michael Danby, thanks so
Speaker 4: much for your time. Still to come more explosive evidence
Speaker 4: of people pulling down the liberal candidates signs.
Speaker 3: I've got more on this.
Speaker 4: We've got video just for this show taken from a
Speaker 4: shop owner.
Speaker 3: I'll show you after this break. Welcome back.
Speaker 12: Well.
Speaker 4: On the show last night, I told you how a
Speaker 4: Double Bay florist was told by a Legraspender's office that
Speaker 4: she'd pulled out of the debate with Roeknox and sky
Speaker 4: News because of our editorial standards. This is odd because
Speaker 4: our debates with Albanezi, Dutton, Charmers and Taylor have only
Speaker 4: been fair. But now the full story behind this has
Speaker 4: been revealed on our sky News website, and it goes
Speaker 4: back to a Legraspender's anger over a story where roeknox
Speaker 4: claimed a Bibas family poster had been covered up by Spenders. Now,
Speaker 4: the story had both Spender and roe Knox's side, but
Speaker 4: there's balance apparently wasn't good enough because a Legraspender threatened
Speaker 4: Roeknox with legal action and her media advice. A farmer
Speaker 4: media watching Q and a ABC producer Peter McAvoy.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't let it go.
Speaker 4: He demanded that we delete this story. He wrote to
Speaker 4: Sky News digital journalists saying, I asked you to consult
Speaker 4: with your editorial managers and pass on my request to
Speaker 4: remove this false and misleading story from sky News. He
Speaker 4: even was demanding an apology for reporting Roe Knox's claimed
Speaker 4: that Alegraspender supporters had covered up a Bibbas family poster.
Speaker 4: Utterly bizarre now we know the teals pay for positive
Speaker 4: content from influencers, but it seems they now want to
Speaker 4: control the media as well. But a leegraspender can't argue
Speaker 4: with the fact that dozens, if not hundreds, of Roe
Speaker 4: Knox's liberal posters have been stolen or defaced. Now, one
Speaker 4: Paddington store owner caught this poster being removed overnight on
Speaker 4: his CCTV. You can see that man with the dogs
Speaker 4: pulling down Roe Knox's poster. Now he's been recording every
Speaker 4: single night, and every single night his footage captures the
Speaker 4: same thing, her poster being pulled down. Well to discuss,
Speaker 4: let's bring in Sky News contributor Rocco. Luciano Rocco, good
Speaker 4: to see you. Now, what's going on here, Jimmy Jerry
Speaker 4: with the Teals who are supposed to have amazing integrity.
Speaker 18: Yes, Sherry, the same thing that's happening to Roe Knox
Speaker 18: is happening to Tom White, the Liberal candidate for Curtin,
Speaker 18: and it's all one way traffic. His core flutes are
Speaker 18: getting stolen and defaced. And it's amazing how the Teals
Speaker 18: love to call out misinformation and disinformation in public discourse,
Speaker 18: but when it comes to their claims of integrity and transparency.
Speaker 18: One can only classify that as misinformation itself. They also,
Speaker 18: I think over here have seriously shoes when it comes
Speaker 18: to saying that their community independence when huge six figure
Speaker 18: sums come from big donors. In Sydney and Melbourne, we
Speaker 18: are all aligned with climb at two hundred and have
Speaker 18: also donated huge sums, six figure sums to the Greens.
Speaker 18: When it comes to lessons on integrity and transparency from
Speaker 18: the Teals, it's like getting a lesson on corporate propriety
Speaker 18: from Christopher's case.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
Speaker 4: Well, we saw John Howard in Curtain today trying to
Speaker 4: help the Liberals win back the seat from the Tials.
Speaker 4: How tough is this task going to be? You know,
Speaker 4: what are the expectations in Curtin.
Speaker 18: Look, there has been a redistribution which is taken in
Speaker 18: a little bit more of some of the mortgage belt suburbs.
Speaker 18: But that doesn't that doesn't mean that's not going to
Speaker 18: be a huge mountain for Tom White to climb. I
Speaker 18: mentioned that some of the huge sums that are being
Speaker 18: donated to Kate Cheney's campaign. The issue also for Tom
Speaker 18: White is the fact that a lot of the advertising
Speaker 18: money that Kate Chaney has beens is coming from the
Speaker 18: climate two hundred coffers. And the other thing too, that
Speaker 18: Kate Chaney is getting spooked about. She's trying to rewrite
Speaker 18: history on her past statements about gas. She called for
Speaker 18: the Northwest self to be killed off by Tanya Pliberset,
Speaker 18: but now she's saying, oh, look, you know, maybe we
Speaker 18: do need gas in the mix. It's going to be
Speaker 18: a very very tight contest. The other thing that Kate
Speaker 18: Cheney is, on her own admission, votes fifty five percent
Speaker 18: of the time with the Greens. Yet the Greens at
Speaker 18: the last election attracted ten percent of the primary votes.
Speaker 18: So how can she be a community independent when she
Speaker 18: votes five and a half times more than one particular
Speaker 18: party gets a primary vote in that seat? Very very tough.
Speaker 4: I mean, we know the Teals campaigned on accountability and
Speaker 4: doing politics differently, but I think there's one thing that
Speaker 4: we can safely say about most of the Teal candidates,
Speaker 4: certainly Kate Chaney, Minie Grin a leg.
Speaker 3: Responder, is that they don't like scrutiny.
Speaker 4: I mean, imagine, as Sky News just reported on its
Speaker 4: website today asking to delete a story they didn't agree
Speaker 4: with well.
Speaker 18: Sue Chapman, the Till candidate, although she calls herself a
Speaker 18: community in depending for forest, is doing the same thing.
Speaker 18: She deletes posts on her Facebook page that ask her
Speaker 18: questions about her position on offshore wind and her campaign manager.
Speaker 18: Just this week photo emerged off her wearing an extinction
Speaker 18: rebellion badge, and it's all just dismissed, saying, oh, no, no,
Speaker 18: we support peaceful protests. But yes, as you say that,
Speaker 18: when it comes to the blow torch being applied to them,
Speaker 18: they don't like it.
Speaker 4: Quite interested, No, absolutely, all right, Rocco, great to have
Speaker 4: you on the show. Finally, good to see you. Thanks
Speaker 4: for your time. Now that's all we've got time for today.
Speaker 4: I won't be here tomorrow night, having one day off
Speaker 4: during the election campaign to be with the kids during
Speaker 4: the school holidays, but wishing everyone a safe, a happy
Speaker 4: Easter weekend. I'll be back on Monday at eight o'clock.
Speaker 4: But stay tuned because right now for Mary's in the
Speaker 4: man Cave,