WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 16 April 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.920 From the sky Center. 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:07.880 This is Paul Murray Live. Hello Sharry. What a debate 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.119 and what a game changer for Peter Dutton. Extraordinary stuff 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.360 in the past hour over on the ABC. Full analysis 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:16.079 with Team Red, Team Blue and the team in the 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.560 middle in a moment or two time. But first the countdown, 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:22.480 of course onto this election tonight officially the halfway point. 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.240 Why because we have just seventeen days until the election, 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.760 six until early voting starts. For the past hour, the 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.839 Prime Minister and alternative Prime Minister have been debating on 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:37.400 the ABC and their Western Sydney studios. No audience, no worms, 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.600 no one but you to decide who won and who loss. 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.360 And those of us who had been waiting hoping for 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.000 the moment that Peter Dutton went on attack, well it 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.360 was there time and time and time again. Here are 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.040 the five things I think you need to know about 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.600 this debate. This was good stuff from Peter Dutton and 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:56.520 those of us that have been cheering him on, well 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:58.200 we were punching the air tonight. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.360 Approach the third of May, many Australians will be asking 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.119 themselves are you better off today than you were three 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.720 years ago? People have seen food prices go up by 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.080 thirty percent. Their mortgages have gone up on twelve occasions 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.440 over the last two years. The government's brought in a 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.360 million people, all of whom want homes, and all of 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.640 whom are competing against young Australians for that rental property 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.679 or to purchase a home. That's a million people, which 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.080 is seventy percent higher than any two year period in 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.800 our country's history. And that your government has modeled negative 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.880 gearing changes NCGT changes, the Treasurer has done that. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:33.640 That's not right. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.240 Well, it is a publish This Prime Minister has a 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.760 problem with the truth. And it's not just in relation 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.400 to this debate. There are many aspects that you could 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:43.040 pick up during the course of this campaign. With the 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.720 Prime Minister constantly telling people they're much better off now 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.520 just defies the reality in their own lives. There are 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.600 thirty thousand small businesses which have gone bankrupt over the 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.040 course of the last three years, a record number in 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.200 our country's history. Over the last twelve months, households have 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.520 been in a recession for seven consecutive quarters almost two 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.080 There's been a three fold increase in the expansion of 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.920 the public service compared to the repgular years. We have 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.799 the highest per capita rate of public servants in the world. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.800 It was fantastic. Honestly, I can't wait to see what 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.520 everyone else thought about it. But I thought that was 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.120 one of the best displays I've seen in a debate. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.560 Not harsh, not aggressive, not nasty, but just hold the issue, 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.200 hold the issue, turn the defense into attack. It was 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:29.920 very well done, very well prepared. As for Anthony Abernezi, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.959 he had many bad moments, but his worst moment was 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.360 on a central question three years ago. It was two 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.960 hundred and seventy five dollars cut in power bills. He 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.560 was held to that account tonight by David Spears, and 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.800 I'll have more to say about his moderation of this 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.560 debate in a moment. But he has no answers on 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.360 when power bills are going to go down because he 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.920 wants to avoid what has been the failure of his 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.799 promise last time. I'm going to show you the entirety 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.360 of a back and forth that I think was very 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:55.520 bad for the Prime Minister. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.320 You and Chris Bowen keep saying that renewables are the 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.480 cheapest form of power. When will we see our power 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:03.080 bills come. 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:03.560 Down they are. 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.200 Well, what we know is that renewables are the cheapest 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.920 form of power, not because of what we say, but 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.480 because of what the Australian Energy market operator says. The 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:18.840 bills come down and what the market is delivering. See, 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:23.959 Peter has to have government, state, taxpayer funded. We stick 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.359 with your taxpayer funded, taxpayer funded proposals. What we're dealing 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.560 with here. During the former government, twenty four out of 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.440 twenty eight coal fire power stations announce their closure. We 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:40.760 need to get supply and certain in energy security. We 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.720 can't wait till the twenty forties a nuclear Just. 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.440 Stick with your plan, mister albinezy. When will the bills come. 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.080 Down under our plan? We know that renewables are the 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:54.280 cheapest form of power and that is why we are 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.760 doing that, rolling it out, including through gas. Peter Ray's 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.000 gas gas is now thirteen dollars. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.360 It was thirty dollars and when we came cheaper, when. 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.920 We came off, thirteen is cheaper than thirty. 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.080 When do we see the bills come down? 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.680 Well, what we need to do is to roll out 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.000 renewable to make sure there's energy security, make sure it's 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:18.240 backed up by batteries, by hydro and by gas. That 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:22.000 is what all of the private sector is backing and 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:22.760 investing in. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.400 We take the pick, Oh the Peter dudn't thing is 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:30.320 all about taxpayers money. Remember there's spending twenty billion dollars 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.520 on rewiring the nation. Because they're trying to tell you 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.920 that the three wheeled car is going to be able 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.839 to win Batist. It can't. It may one day, but 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.880 it can't today. Let alone the billions of dollars in subsidies, 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.359 government payments, let alone the destruction of the earth in 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.599 order to save the atmosphere and all of that. Because 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.719 Australia is one percent of the world's problem, China continues 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:53.479 to thumb it's nose at the rest of the world. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.240 Don't forget, of course, that many of the products that 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.080 this government is saying we have to put in by 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:03.000 law in solar and wind are made by slave labor 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.720 in China. Terrible, terrible answer. Prime Minister doesn't have a number, 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.760 doesn't even have a trajectory. It's just renewables, the cheaper. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.200 The problem is they have to be built. And as 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.120 I have said he for fifteen years, I have talked 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.440 not about the existence of climate change, but the cost 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:21.440 of the transition, the CSIO RO told us years ago, 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.080 was one tea for trillion dollars to go from what 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.280 was the system to the new system. All of that 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.400 either comes from the taxpayer or it goes to a 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.040 private company. The private company then sends it on to 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:36.720 you as a bill. This bloke is a champion, world 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.560 champion gas lighter. But when he came up against a 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:41.800 bloker was willing to call him out and the questions, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:46.000 which were spectacular, he just fumbles. He was terrible tonight. 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.480 I know his champions will say it doesn't matter, move on. 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.200 A draw is enough. If this is not a draw, 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.800 I'm telling you I've watched it. It is not a draw, 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.360 which brings us to the moderation. Now, you know, David 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.159 Spiers and I worked here for a long time together. 0:05:58.200 --> 0:05:59.960 In fact, the very first election I over covered was 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:01.960 in two thousand and four when I was a kid 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.160 and he was basically a teenager. I thought he was 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:09.080 spectacular tonight because the questions were not about gotcha's, but 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:12.279 instead the questions were, you know what, let's get off script. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.240 I know you've got an answer on this, and you've 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:15.560 got an answer on that. And you can tell me 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.400 what you're doing on housinggain, you can tell me what 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.320 you're going to do when it comes to petrol. No, No, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.839 I'm going to shape the questions in a way that 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.159 forces them to have to think on their feet. And 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.360 when they tried to move back to the stump speech, 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.240 he wouldn't let them do it, honestly, Spearzy ten out 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:30.960 of ten, mate, well done. 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.520 Can you honestly say that your plans will make housing 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.839 any more aford? Australians will ultimately have to pay for 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.320 the debt here, mister Alberezi, what do you say to them? 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:42.679 Where's the money going. 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:42.920 To come from? 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.159 Your cuts to the public service going to be enough 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.600 to cover it all? It's the one big change you'd 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:49.480 like to be remembered for. It's your one thing. Reform 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.400 about some elements of the renewables roll out, particularly offshore 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.640 wind in places like the Hunter in New South Wales, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.719 what do you say to those locals and those local 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.159 community concerns, when will we see our power bells come down? 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.159 Well, that's busy. I know that doesn't help you with 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.160 the mates on Blue Scope or whatever that thing is, 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.400 Blue Sky, whatever, the lefty version of Twitter is. But 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.360 for those of us who watched you in mind for 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.280 a while, it was great to see those questions. And 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.320 those who think that he was doing anything other than 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.240 the people's work, well, I think you just wanted him 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.040 to be holding the hands and asking the questions that 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.200 the Green Left wanted ask. I thought it was good. 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.320 Get them off the script, get them off the separate answers, 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.280 pull them back onto some stuff that makes them have 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.480 to think on their feet. Also, Prime ministers hit hit 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.840 after hit, or should I say lie after lie after lie, 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.800 They miss the mark. Take your pick on how these worked. 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:40.040 What about this garbage that he had to say about superannuation, 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.840 which remember is only for first home buyers, only for 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:44.880 first home buyers, but he pretends it's for any and 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:46.200 everyone who's going to put their hand up on an 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.240 auction for the next twelve months. Have a look at 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:49.600 this for a swing and a miss. 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.160 If you give everyone super access to up to fifty 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.520 thousand dollars and everyone at the auction will just have 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.320 fifty thousand dollars more, And of. 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.840 Course the debt on there. Watch this budget this year, 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:05.480 not some right wing thing tank. I didn't pull the 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:09.320 number out of my ample backside. No one trillion dollars 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.960 in their own books that they will swear by as 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:14.840 if it is the truly holy text of the Great 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:19.400 Saint Jim Charmers one point two trillion dollars. But the 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.880 gas lodder in chief, he wants you to think the 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.280 debt's going down. It's going up. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.920 Where are the only government in the last twenty years 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.240 that have produced consecutive budget surpluses. And we've harved the 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:36.920 deficit this year as a direct result of the responsible 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:41.520 economic management that we have. Then debt is one hundred 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.120 and seventy seven billion dollars less. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.040 And then when it comes to the nuclear situation, and 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.480 I mispronounce it as badly as he does. Have a 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:54.040 look at this again, swing and miss from the Housing 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.319 commission boy, of course, who's just the same as you. 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.800 Forget the million dollar property on the hill. No, he's 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:00.720 just like us. 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.640 That's before they get to the six hundred billion dollars 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.479 they need for their nuclear reactors. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:08.160 I mean, there you go. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:10.440 It looks like it's true. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.520 We know what happened last time the cuts came to health, 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.960 they came to education, fifty billion dollars out of hospitals, 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:18.760 thirty billion dollars out of schools. 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.800 This plock is so shameless in his lives, all right, 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.920 which is far left group, turns around and makes up 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:26.520 a number about how much it's going to cost when 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.520 it comes to nuclear They get to six hundred billion dollars. 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:35.000 The CSIRO, that far right wing think tank, says that 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.840 it's between half and a trillion dollars half five hundred 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.640 billing and a thousand billion dollars for the transition that 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.000 he would prefer. Now, all of this gets the heads 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:50.559 nodding in the in the drum circles of some universities 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.320 around the country, but in the real world it's garbage. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:58.280 Both of their plans are very expensive, but one is 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.120 one that will make sure the twenty four to seven 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.559 there is support for the grid. The other, I repeat, 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:06.640 it's the three wheel car. They're telling you he's going 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.400 to set a new lap record at Bathist. Itat won't happen, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.319 and it certainly won't happen without the mega costs associated 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.920 time and time again. And then of course we've got 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.080 to talk about Donald trump book. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:25.040 When President Trump made the announcement that every single country 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.079 in the world will be hit with tariffs. The alternative 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:32.559 Prime Minister suggested that we should put defense and our 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.079 defense relationship with the United States on the bargaining table. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:41.680 Forgive me, that is bullshit. So fifth and final, Dunton 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.120 won this. He won it clean, He won it clear 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.600 and even. It'll take you a few group texts for 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:49.840 the lefties to work out what the pushback is because 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.000 I can't see it. Did Albahavi's moment? Sure everyone does 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.280 in a debate, but if you're actually paying attention here, 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.080 Dunton was on the attack. The PM had the worst 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.800 moment because sustained word moment. The questions pull them off script, 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.720 which means albow is all at sea. Remember he's trying 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.040 to tell you everything's better when you know everything's worse 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.280 than it was three years ago. When he tries to 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.520 throw a lie, you know them not to be true. 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.960 That's why I say done one by a country mile. 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.360 My thoughts, you can tell me yours Pault's Gonews dot 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.679 com dot A, You, my colleagues, my friends, the people 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.720 I rush to get to tonight because we all know 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:24.000 I like talking until about half past It's none other 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.760 than Laura is Chris Kenny loving to see you both 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:27.880 all right, how far off the mark? 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:28.120 Am I? 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:28.480 Laura? 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.440 No, I think you're right. I think this style suits Peter. 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:34.520 I didn't think he was more cautious tonight. He was 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.680 aware that he was speaking to an ABC audience, so 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.199 he's a little bit more cautious, particularly on the Donald 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.120 Trump question. Do you trust him? Well, he doesn't know him, 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.480 that's fair enough. But I thought, you know, that shows 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.360 that he knows he's on the back foot. He's being 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:50.920 extra cautious. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:53.160 But you know he didn't know. 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:54.199 He still went for it. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.200 I thought he still went for it absolutely. And sorry, no, no, 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.560 I keep talking notes are we talking? 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:06.320 Call my mom? No, I'm trying to people. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:09.240 Look. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.640 But I did think it does show that Anthony Alberinezi 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.160 on the power price issue, that is his weakest spot, 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.720 and the Coalition have not gone him enough on that. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:24.080 And there was the moment there in that debate where 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.240 Speezy pushed him on coal or you're saying we shouldn't 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.280 extend the life of coal. Oh no, I'm not saying that, 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.400 but doesn't have an answer for it. So he's kind 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.920 of throwing out the confetti gun on all of these things, 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.000 but none of It quite quite adds up, and I 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.080 think people are sick of being told that renewables are 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.839 the most reliable and cheapest form of energy. They might 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.560 be down the track maybe in ten years, but they 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.200 aren't right now. And that is the reason your power 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:50.000 bills correct. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:54.160 And by the way, Ring Chris, did I get it wrong? No, 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.160 he smashed it out of the park. This is the 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.240 Peter Dutton we know and love. I've been wanting to see. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.280 This is what we should have seen from day one 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:05.200 of the election campaign, face to face making the strong 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.559 points to alber and EZI. I've written this up for 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.000 The Australian and he makes this point, whem this one 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.439 power It's like the cartoons albanize. 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:13.839 He got knocked from pillar to post. 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.520 Why because on these key policy issues he's all at sea. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.760 And the other key point is that Peter Dunnon pulled 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.960 him up on his dishonesty. This plot was just on 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:27.640 national television effectively denying that they've been modeling on negative gearing, 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.800 and within twenty seconds that well, actually he couldn't deny it. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:32.880 The honesty thing is a real problem. 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:33.200 Now. 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:34.520 Spearsy was good Spears. 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.600 He tried to mock Dutton for coming up with cost 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:38.280 of living. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:39.880 Measures in an election campaign. 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.040 Dunton comes back and say it's not actually it coincides 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:44.160 when people are doing it. 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.360 Tough ca Pow, well done. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.840 But when it came to energy prices again shows how 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.800 the press gallery each day is not doing the job. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.880 Because he was asked four times Albanezi today, four times 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:58.800 when will prices come down? 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.720 And he did not answer at once. Refuse to answer it. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.000 Now that should be asked of him every day at 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:06.120 every press conference. 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.240 Why isn't it now? I can tell how this gets 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.360 processed by some parts of the media. You saw in 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.920 one of those answers that Anthony Aberneze's talking Peter dudn't 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.720 takes his glasses off now obviously very minor moment, but 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.880 that will become a photo guardian probably running it on 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.240 their front right now, panics don't all the rest of it. 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.480 I liked the clearly the ABC had a bit of 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.920 a rule about when and when they weren't on camera. 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.920 That was obviously important because certainly when you turn around 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:35.320 and you watch things like the C and N debate, 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.800 if they're just there both the whole time, you started 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.480 to see when they don't think they're on camera, they 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.000 start to wilt away. I thought that was interesting about 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.280 how the thing was stage Again, I'll get back into 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.920 the best questions and the worst questions, but let's get 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.640 back to our former colleague here. What I liked at 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.200 the center of the questions that were asked, and for 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.640 the Channel seven debate that's coming and the Channel nine 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.760 debate that's coming, watch that model, which is, don't let 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.920 them just blither what they say all day every day. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.320 Just say, look, basically, you've got twenty three hours in 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.200 the rest of the day to talk the way you 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.120 want to talk. I'm going to ask you the question 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.640 you don't want to answer. And I liked that, and 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.400 I liked the follow up. And it's a test of 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.400 both of them whether they make it or they don't. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:19.120 Well, absolutely's Busy's all class, and he knows how. 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.040 To follow up and let it breathe. Let's say. 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:27.000 But look, I think the problem with this campaign in 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:31.040 general is that, particularly on the labor side, it's trying 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.000 to get out a ten second line for TikTok that's 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.760 run over and over and over again. There is no 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.520 contest of ideas until you get a debate like this 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:45.720 or a people's forum, right, and all you're doing and 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.360 you see it from every minutes at the housing debate, 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.520 they just want to get their lines up and then 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.560 you've got ALPHQ. Look, liberals are doing it as well, 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.560 and they're running it on TikTok. There's no contest of 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:01.239 ideas allowed. And this is why these baits are so important, 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.920 and you've got to watch them in full to get 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.800 an idea of how both men interact with each other 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:13.800 and interact with an audience, interact with a host like David. 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:18.360 But Paul I still find there is just like this 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:25.360 thread of borification through the campaign. And maybe that's because 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.120 we're fully invested in it each and every day, but 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:35.280 it is just so anti ambitious and that is how 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.640 Labor has framed this for the last three years. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:38.600 And it does. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.720 Water but in finis and I agree, but I think 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.000 that this is often when you are playing a defensive 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.160 game as a government, which is if you can try 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.680 to board down as much as possible, then it's better 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:53.200 the devil, you know, right, and certainly Albinizi who's been 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:54.920 trying to and despite the fact they have a go 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:56.520 at Trump as much as they do. He follows the 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.920 Trump strategy of flooding the zone. Let's talk about the 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.720 twenty fourteen a bunch, let's talk about the fifteen hundred 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.720 different thelms. But when it is down to so okay, great, 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.000 you get rehired for three years when the power prices 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.000 come down, bye bye bye bye, blah blah bah. 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:11.639 Well, this is the point with the debate. Let's get 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:13.840 back to debate. But where does it sit. Well, it 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.640 sits just after halfway through the election campaign, when we've 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.000 got the Easter break and the Anzac Day holidays to come, 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.240 and is there time for the coalition to get any momentum? 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.360 Big question marks about that. That's the way Labors wanted it. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:29.320 They wanted to be a boring, piecemeal, superficial election campaign 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.080 and they've got that so far. But this sort of 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.639 performance tonight from Peter Dutton is exactly what he needed 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:35.840 to do. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.440 As I say, he should have been doing it weeks ago. 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.479 But it was a very good performance and just on 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.639 that point with Spearsy trying to get him to talk 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.040 about what they don't want to talk about. Sure, but 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.800 the thing tonight was that Peter Dutton didn't let that 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.560 control him right at the outset, He's asked about their 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:54.399 housing policies by Spearsy and Dunton goes straight to immigration. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.520 How that's the killer point. Immigration is what's driving this, 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:00.560 and Spearsy then tries to drive him back to his 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:04.600 own policy. Sure, but he kept doing that during the debate, 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.560 getting that back onto his strong ground and pushing it 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.240 back onto alb and easy. It's not happening enough. It 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.520 should happen all the time now to be fair. Of course, 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.160 Peter dunn't got hit with a couple himself in that debate. 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.359 He had to admit a mistake about the way he 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.200 framed the Indonesian thing yesterday, and I think the climate 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.480 change stuff, do you believe it or not? That's a 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.320 bit awkward for him as well. So he had a 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:28.080 couple of awkward moments, but overall it was done playing 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.080 politics where it needs to be played, especially from opposition 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:32.600 on the front foot. 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.000 I'm not sure about the immigration thing. Yeah, it does 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:36.840 work in some cohorts, but it does a work in 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:37.720 the seats where it needs to. 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:38.680 It works everywhere. 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:39.880 Does it work in lessons in. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.159 Yeah, sure does because the places where they have the 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.040 highest levels of immigration are the ones who are most 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:46.480 keen on orderly immigration. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.080 Yes, and I get the idea of you know, climbing 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:50.520 up the ladder and pulling the ladder. 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.080 Up, pulling up the ladder, just being fair. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.960 People who have come here fairly want everybody to come 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:55.480 here fairly. 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.760