Speaker 1: From the sky Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live. Hello Sharry. What a debate
Speaker 2: and what a game changer for Peter Dutton. Extraordinary stuff
Speaker 2: in the past hour over on the ABC. Full analysis
Speaker 2: with Team Red, Team Blue and the team in the
Speaker 2: middle in a moment or two time. But first the countdown,
Speaker 2: of course onto this election tonight officially the halfway point.
Speaker 2: Why because we have just seventeen days until the election,
Speaker 2: six until early voting starts. For the past hour, the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister and alternative Prime Minister have been debating on
Speaker 2: the ABC and their Western Sydney studios. No audience, no worms,
Speaker 2: no one but you to decide who won and who loss.
Speaker 2: And those of us who had been waiting hoping for
Speaker 2: the moment that Peter Dutton went on attack, well it
Speaker 2: was there time and time and time again. Here are
Speaker 2: the five things I think you need to know about
Speaker 2: this debate. This was good stuff from Peter Dutton and
Speaker 2: those of us that have been cheering him on, well
Speaker 2: we were punching the air tonight.
Speaker 3: Approach the third of May, many Australians will be asking
Speaker 3: themselves are you better off today than you were three
Speaker 3: years ago? People have seen food prices go up by
Speaker 3: thirty percent. Their mortgages have gone up on twelve occasions
Speaker 3: over the last two years. The government's brought in a
Speaker 3: million people, all of whom want homes, and all of
Speaker 3: whom are competing against young Australians for that rental property
Speaker 3: or to purchase a home. That's a million people, which
Speaker 3: is seventy percent higher than any two year period in
Speaker 3: our country's history. And that your government has modeled negative
Speaker 3: gearing changes NCGT changes, the Treasurer has done that.
Speaker 2: That's not right.
Speaker 3: Well, it is a publish This Prime Minister has a
Speaker 3: problem with the truth. And it's not just in relation
Speaker 3: to this debate. There are many aspects that you could
Speaker 3: pick up during the course of this campaign. With the
Speaker 3: Prime Minister constantly telling people they're much better off now
Speaker 3: just defies the reality in their own lives. There are
Speaker 3: thirty thousand small businesses which have gone bankrupt over the
Speaker 3: course of the last three years, a record number in
Speaker 3: our country's history. Over the last twelve months, households have
Speaker 3: been in a recession for seven consecutive quarters almost two
Speaker 3: There's been a three fold increase in the expansion of
Speaker 3: the public service compared to the repgular years. We have
Speaker 3: the highest per capita rate of public servants in the world.
Speaker 2: It was fantastic. Honestly, I can't wait to see what
Speaker 2: everyone else thought about it. But I thought that was
Speaker 2: one of the best displays I've seen in a debate.
Speaker 2: Not harsh, not aggressive, not nasty, but just hold the issue,
Speaker 2: hold the issue, turn the defense into attack. It was
Speaker 2: very well done, very well prepared. As for Anthony Abernezi,
Speaker 2: he had many bad moments, but his worst moment was
Speaker 2: on a central question three years ago. It was two
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five dollars cut in power bills. He
Speaker 2: was held to that account tonight by David Spears, and
Speaker 2: I'll have more to say about his moderation of this
Speaker 2: debate in a moment. But he has no answers on
Speaker 2: when power bills are going to go down because he
Speaker 2: wants to avoid what has been the failure of his
Speaker 2: promise last time. I'm going to show you the entirety
Speaker 2: of a back and forth that I think was very
Speaker 2: bad for the Prime Minister.
Speaker 4: You and Chris Bowen keep saying that renewables are the
Speaker 4: cheapest form of power. When will we see our power
Speaker 4: bills come.
Speaker 2: Down they are.
Speaker 5: Well, what we know is that renewables are the cheapest
Speaker 5: form of power, not because of what we say, but
Speaker 5: because of what the Australian Energy market operator says. The
Speaker 5: bills come down and what the market is delivering. See,
Speaker 5: Peter has to have government, state, taxpayer funded. We stick
Speaker 5: with your taxpayer funded, taxpayer funded proposals. What we're dealing
Speaker 5: with here. During the former government, twenty four out of
Speaker 5: twenty eight coal fire power stations announce their closure. We
Speaker 5: need to get supply and certain in energy security. We
Speaker 5: can't wait till the twenty forties a nuclear Just.
Speaker 4: Stick with your plan, mister albinezy. When will the bills come.
Speaker 5: Down under our plan? We know that renewables are the
Speaker 5: cheapest form of power and that is why we are
Speaker 5: doing that, rolling it out, including through gas. Peter Ray's
Speaker 5: gas gas is now thirteen dollars.
Speaker 4: It was thirty dollars and when we came cheaper, when.
Speaker 5: We came off, thirteen is cheaper than thirty.
Speaker 4: When do we see the bills come down?
Speaker 5: Well, what we need to do is to roll out
Speaker 5: renewable to make sure there's energy security, make sure it's
Speaker 5: backed up by batteries, by hydro and by gas. That
Speaker 5: is what all of the private sector is backing and
Speaker 5: investing in.
Speaker 2: We take the pick, Oh the Peter dudn't thing is
Speaker 2: all about taxpayers money. Remember there's spending twenty billion dollars
Speaker 2: on rewiring the nation. Because they're trying to tell you
Speaker 2: that the three wheeled car is going to be able
Speaker 2: to win Batist. It can't. It may one day, but
Speaker 2: it can't today. Let alone the billions of dollars in subsidies,
Speaker 2: government payments, let alone the destruction of the earth in
Speaker 2: order to save the atmosphere and all of that. Because
Speaker 2: Australia is one percent of the world's problem, China continues
Speaker 2: to thumb it's nose at the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: Don't forget, of course, that many of the products that
Speaker 2: this government is saying we have to put in by
Speaker 2: law in solar and wind are made by slave labor
Speaker 2: in China. Terrible, terrible answer. Prime Minister doesn't have a number,
Speaker 2: doesn't even have a trajectory. It's just renewables, the cheaper.
Speaker 2: The problem is they have to be built. And as
Speaker 2: I have said he for fifteen years, I have talked
Speaker 2: not about the existence of climate change, but the cost
Speaker 2: of the transition, the CSIO RO told us years ago,
Speaker 2: was one tea for trillion dollars to go from what
Speaker 2: was the system to the new system. All of that
Speaker 2: either comes from the taxpayer or it goes to a
Speaker 2: private company. The private company then sends it on to
Speaker 2: you as a bill. This bloke is a champion, world
Speaker 2: champion gas lighter. But when he came up against a
Speaker 2: bloker was willing to call him out and the questions,
Speaker 2: which were spectacular, he just fumbles. He was terrible tonight.
Speaker 2: I know his champions will say it doesn't matter, move on.
Speaker 2: A draw is enough. If this is not a draw,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you I've watched it. It is not a draw,
Speaker 2: which brings us to the moderation. Now, you know, David
Speaker 2: Spiers and I worked here for a long time together.
Speaker 2: In fact, the very first election I over covered was
Speaker 2: in two thousand and four when I was a kid
Speaker 2: and he was basically a teenager. I thought he was
Speaker 2: spectacular tonight because the questions were not about gotcha's, but
Speaker 2: instead the questions were, you know what, let's get off script.
Speaker 2: I know you've got an answer on this, and you've
Speaker 2: got an answer on that. And you can tell me
Speaker 2: what you're doing on housinggain, you can tell me what
Speaker 2: you're going to do when it comes to petrol. No, No,
Speaker 2: I'm going to shape the questions in a way that
Speaker 2: forces them to have to think on their feet. And
Speaker 2: when they tried to move back to the stump speech,
Speaker 2: he wouldn't let them do it, honestly, Spearzy ten out
Speaker 2: of ten, mate, well done.
Speaker 4: Can you honestly say that your plans will make housing
Speaker 4: any more aford? Australians will ultimately have to pay for
Speaker 4: the debt here, mister Alberezi, what do you say to them?
Speaker 4: Where's the money going.
Speaker 2: To come from?
Speaker 4: Your cuts to the public service going to be enough
Speaker 4: to cover it all? It's the one big change you'd
Speaker 4: like to be remembered for. It's your one thing. Reform
Speaker 4: about some elements of the renewables roll out, particularly offshore
Speaker 4: wind in places like the Hunter in New South Wales,
Speaker 4: what do you say to those locals and those local
Speaker 4: community concerns, when will we see our power bells come down?
Speaker 2: Well, that's busy. I know that doesn't help you with
Speaker 2: the mates on Blue Scope or whatever that thing is,
Speaker 2: Blue Sky, whatever, the lefty version of Twitter is. But
Speaker 2: for those of us who watched you in mind for
Speaker 2: a while, it was great to see those questions. And
Speaker 2: those who think that he was doing anything other than
Speaker 2: the people's work, well, I think you just wanted him
Speaker 2: to be holding the hands and asking the questions that
Speaker 2: the Green Left wanted ask. I thought it was good.
Speaker 2: Get them off the script, get them off the separate answers,
Speaker 2: pull them back onto some stuff that makes them have
Speaker 2: to think on their feet. Also, Prime ministers hit hit
Speaker 2: after hit, or should I say lie after lie after lie,
Speaker 2: They miss the mark. Take your pick on how these worked.
Speaker 2: What about this garbage that he had to say about superannuation,
Speaker 2: which remember is only for first home buyers, only for
Speaker 2: first home buyers, but he pretends it's for any and
Speaker 2: everyone who's going to put their hand up on an
Speaker 2: auction for the next twelve months. Have a look at
Speaker 2: this for a swing and a miss.
Speaker 5: If you give everyone super access to up to fifty
Speaker 5: thousand dollars and everyone at the auction will just have
Speaker 5: fifty thousand dollars more, And of.
Speaker 2: Course the debt on there. Watch this budget this year,
Speaker 2: not some right wing thing tank. I didn't pull the
Speaker 2: number out of my ample backside. No one trillion dollars
Speaker 2: in their own books that they will swear by as
Speaker 2: if it is the truly holy text of the Great
Speaker 2: Saint Jim Charmers one point two trillion dollars. But the
Speaker 2: gas lodder in chief, he wants you to think the
Speaker 2: debt's going down. It's going up.
Speaker 5: Where are the only government in the last twenty years
Speaker 5: that have produced consecutive budget surpluses. And we've harved the
Speaker 5: deficit this year as a direct result of the responsible
Speaker 5: economic management that we have. Then debt is one hundred
Speaker 5: and seventy seven billion dollars less.
Speaker 2: And then when it comes to the nuclear situation, and
Speaker 2: I mispronounce it as badly as he does. Have a
Speaker 2: look at this again, swing and miss from the Housing
Speaker 2: commission boy, of course, who's just the same as you.
Speaker 2: Forget the million dollar property on the hill. No, he's
Speaker 2: just like us.
Speaker 5: That's before they get to the six hundred billion dollars
Speaker 5: they need for their nuclear reactors.
Speaker 6: I mean, there you go.
Speaker 1: It looks like it's true.
Speaker 5: We know what happened last time the cuts came to health,
Speaker 5: they came to education, fifty billion dollars out of hospitals,
Speaker 5: thirty billion dollars out of schools.
Speaker 2: This plock is so shameless in his lives, all right,
Speaker 2: which is far left group, turns around and makes up
Speaker 2: a number about how much it's going to cost when
Speaker 2: it comes to nuclear They get to six hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 2: The CSIRO, that far right wing think tank, says that
Speaker 2: it's between half and a trillion dollars half five hundred
Speaker 2: billing and a thousand billion dollars for the transition that
Speaker 2: he would prefer. Now, all of this gets the heads
Speaker 2: nodding in the in the drum circles of some universities
Speaker 2: around the country, but in the real world it's garbage.
Speaker 2: Both of their plans are very expensive, but one is
Speaker 2: one that will make sure the twenty four to seven
Speaker 2: there is support for the grid. The other, I repeat,
Speaker 2: it's the three wheel car. They're telling you he's going
Speaker 2: to set a new lap record at Bathist. Itat won't happen,
Speaker 2: and it certainly won't happen without the mega costs associated
Speaker 2: time and time again. And then of course we've got
Speaker 2: to talk about Donald trump book.
Speaker 5: When President Trump made the announcement that every single country
Speaker 5: in the world will be hit with tariffs. The alternative
Speaker 5: Prime Minister suggested that we should put defense and our
Speaker 5: defense relationship with the United States on the bargaining table.
Speaker 2: Forgive me, that is bullshit. So fifth and final, Dunton
Speaker 2: won this. He won it clean, He won it clear
Speaker 2: and even. It'll take you a few group texts for
Speaker 2: the lefties to work out what the pushback is because
Speaker 2: I can't see it. Did Albahavi's moment? Sure everyone does
Speaker 2: in a debate, but if you're actually paying attention here,
Speaker 2: Dunton was on the attack. The PM had the worst
Speaker 2: moment because sustained word moment. The questions pull them off script,
Speaker 2: which means albow is all at sea. Remember he's trying
Speaker 2: to tell you everything's better when you know everything's worse
Speaker 2: than it was three years ago. When he tries to
Speaker 2: throw a lie, you know them not to be true.
Speaker 2: That's why I say done one by a country mile.
Speaker 2: My thoughts, you can tell me yours Pault's Gonews dot
Speaker 2: com dot A, You, my colleagues, my friends, the people
Speaker 2: I rush to get to tonight because we all know
Speaker 2: I like talking until about half past It's none other
Speaker 2: than Laura is Chris Kenny loving to see you both
Speaker 2: all right, how far off the mark?
Speaker 7: Am I?
Speaker 1: Laura?
Speaker 8: No, I think you're right. I think this style suits Peter.
Speaker 8: I didn't think he was more cautious tonight. He was
Speaker 8: aware that he was speaking to an ABC audience, so
Speaker 8: he's a little bit more cautious, particularly on the Donald
Speaker 8: Trump question. Do you trust him? Well, he doesn't know him,
Speaker 8: that's fair enough. But I thought, you know, that shows
Speaker 8: that he knows he's on the back foot. He's being
Speaker 8: extra cautious.
Speaker 9: But you know he didn't know.
Speaker 1: He still went for it.
Speaker 8: I thought he still went for it absolutely. And sorry, no, no,
Speaker 8: I keep talking notes are we talking?
Speaker 1: Call my mom? No, I'm trying to people.
Speaker 7: Look.
Speaker 8: But I did think it does show that Anthony Alberinezi
Speaker 8: on the power price issue, that is his weakest spot,
Speaker 8: and the Coalition have not gone him enough on that.
Speaker 8: And there was the moment there in that debate where
Speaker 8: Speezy pushed him on coal or you're saying we shouldn't
Speaker 8: extend the life of coal. Oh no, I'm not saying that,
Speaker 8: but doesn't have an answer for it. So he's kind
Speaker 8: of throwing out the confetti gun on all of these things,
Speaker 8: but none of It quite quite adds up, and I
Speaker 8: think people are sick of being told that renewables are
Speaker 8: the most reliable and cheapest form of energy. They might
Speaker 8: be down the track maybe in ten years, but they
Speaker 8: aren't right now. And that is the reason your power
Speaker 8: bills correct.
Speaker 10: And by the way, Ring Chris, did I get it wrong? No,
Speaker 10: he smashed it out of the park. This is the
Speaker 10: Peter Dutton we know and love. I've been wanting to see.
Speaker 10: This is what we should have seen from day one
Speaker 10: of the election campaign, face to face making the strong
Speaker 10: points to alber and EZI. I've written this up for
Speaker 10: The Australian and he makes this point, whem this one
Speaker 10: power It's like the cartoons albanize.
Speaker 1: He got knocked from pillar to post.
Speaker 10: Why because on these key policy issues he's all at sea.
Speaker 10: And the other key point is that Peter Dunnon pulled
Speaker 10: him up on his dishonesty. This plot was just on
Speaker 10: national television effectively denying that they've been modeling on negative gearing,
Speaker 10: and within twenty seconds that well, actually he couldn't deny it.
Speaker 1: The honesty thing is a real problem.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Spearsy was good Spears.
Speaker 10: He tried to mock Dutton for coming up with cost
Speaker 10: of living.
Speaker 1: Measures in an election campaign.
Speaker 10: Dunton comes back and say it's not actually it coincides
Speaker 10: when people are doing it.
Speaker 1: Tough ca Pow, well done.
Speaker 10: But when it came to energy prices again shows how
Speaker 10: the press gallery each day is not doing the job.
Speaker 10: Because he was asked four times Albanezi today, four times
Speaker 10: when will prices come down?
Speaker 1: And he did not answer at once. Refuse to answer it.
Speaker 10: Now that should be asked of him every day at
Speaker 10: every press conference.
Speaker 2: Why isn't it now? I can tell how this gets
Speaker 2: processed by some parts of the media. You saw in
Speaker 2: one of those answers that Anthony Aberneze's talking Peter dudn't
Speaker 2: takes his glasses off now obviously very minor moment, but
Speaker 2: that will become a photo guardian probably running it on
Speaker 2: their front right now, panics don't all the rest of it.
Speaker 2: I liked the clearly the ABC had a bit of
Speaker 2: a rule about when and when they weren't on camera.
Speaker 2: That was obviously important because certainly when you turn around
Speaker 2: and you watch things like the C and N debate,
Speaker 2: if they're just there both the whole time, you started
Speaker 2: to see when they don't think they're on camera, they
Speaker 2: start to wilt away. I thought that was interesting about
Speaker 2: how the thing was stage Again, I'll get back into
Speaker 2: the best questions and the worst questions, but let's get
Speaker 2: back to our former colleague here. What I liked at
Speaker 2: the center of the questions that were asked, and for
Speaker 2: the Channel seven debate that's coming and the Channel nine
Speaker 2: debate that's coming, watch that model, which is, don't let
Speaker 2: them just blither what they say all day every day.
Speaker 2: Just say, look, basically, you've got twenty three hours in
Speaker 2: the rest of the day to talk the way you
Speaker 2: want to talk. I'm going to ask you the question
Speaker 2: you don't want to answer. And I liked that, and
Speaker 2: I liked the follow up. And it's a test of
Speaker 2: both of them whether they make it or they don't.
Speaker 8: Well, absolutely's Busy's all class, and he knows how.
Speaker 1: To follow up and let it breathe. Let's say.
Speaker 8: But look, I think the problem with this campaign in
Speaker 8: general is that, particularly on the labor side, it's trying
Speaker 8: to get out a ten second line for TikTok that's
Speaker 8: run over and over and over again. There is no
Speaker 8: contest of ideas until you get a debate like this
Speaker 8: or a people's forum, right, and all you're doing and
Speaker 8: you see it from every minutes at the housing debate,
Speaker 8: they just want to get their lines up and then
Speaker 8: you've got ALPHQ. Look, liberals are doing it as well,
Speaker 8: and they're running it on TikTok. There's no contest of
Speaker 8: ideas allowed. And this is why these baits are so important,
Speaker 8: and you've got to watch them in full to get
Speaker 8: an idea of how both men interact with each other
Speaker 8: and interact with an audience, interact with a host like David.
Speaker 8: But Paul I still find there is just like this
Speaker 8: thread of borification through the campaign. And maybe that's because
Speaker 8: we're fully invested in it each and every day, but
Speaker 8: it is just so anti ambitious and that is how
Speaker 8: Labor has framed this for the last three years.
Speaker 1: And it does.
Speaker 2: Water but in finis and I agree, but I think
Speaker 2: that this is often when you are playing a defensive
Speaker 2: game as a government, which is if you can try
Speaker 2: to board down as much as possible, then it's better
Speaker 2: the devil, you know, right, and certainly Albinizi who's been
Speaker 2: trying to and despite the fact they have a go
Speaker 2: at Trump as much as they do. He follows the
Speaker 2: Trump strategy of flooding the zone. Let's talk about the
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen a bunch, let's talk about the fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: different thelms. But when it is down to so okay, great,
Speaker 2: you get rehired for three years when the power prices
Speaker 2: come down, bye bye bye bye, blah blah bah.
Speaker 10: Well, this is the point with the debate. Let's get
Speaker 10: back to debate. But where does it sit. Well, it
Speaker 10: sits just after halfway through the election campaign, when we've
Speaker 10: got the Easter break and the Anzac Day holidays to come,
Speaker 10: and is there time for the coalition to get any momentum?
Speaker 10: Big question marks about that. That's the way Labors wanted it.
Speaker 10: They wanted to be a boring, piecemeal, superficial election campaign
Speaker 10: and they've got that so far. But this sort of
Speaker 10: performance tonight from Peter Dutton is exactly what he needed
Speaker 10: to do.
Speaker 1: As I say, he should have been doing it weeks ago.
Speaker 10: But it was a very good performance and just on
Speaker 10: that point with Spearsy trying to get him to talk
Speaker 10: about what they don't want to talk about. Sure, but
Speaker 10: the thing tonight was that Peter Dutton didn't let that
Speaker 10: control him right at the outset, He's asked about their
Speaker 10: housing policies by Spearsy and Dunton goes straight to immigration.
Speaker 10: How that's the killer point. Immigration is what's driving this,
Speaker 10: and Spearsy then tries to drive him back to his
Speaker 10: own policy. Sure, but he kept doing that during the debate,
Speaker 10: getting that back onto his strong ground and pushing it
Speaker 10: back onto alb and easy. It's not happening enough. It
Speaker 10: should happen all the time now to be fair. Of course,
Speaker 10: Peter dunn't got hit with a couple himself in that debate.
Speaker 10: He had to admit a mistake about the way he
Speaker 10: framed the Indonesian thing yesterday, and I think the climate
Speaker 10: change stuff, do you believe it or not? That's a
Speaker 10: bit awkward for him as well. So he had a
Speaker 10: couple of awkward moments, but overall it was done playing
Speaker 10: politics where it needs to be played, especially from opposition
Speaker 10: on the front foot.
Speaker 8: I'm not sure about the immigration thing. Yeah, it does
Speaker 8: work in some cohorts, but it does a work in
Speaker 8: the seats where it needs to.
Speaker 1: It works everywhere.
Speaker 8: Does it work in lessons in.
Speaker 10: Yeah, sure does because the places where they have the
Speaker 10: highest levels of immigration are the ones who are most
Speaker 10: keen on orderly immigration.
Speaker 8: Yes, and I get the idea of you know, climbing
Speaker 8: up the ladder and pulling the ladder.
Speaker 1: Up, pulling up the ladder, just being fair.
Speaker 10: People who have come here fairly want everybody to come
Speaker 10: here fairly.
Speaker 1: You'll find no parts of the country more fairly.
Speaker 8: We're not talking about both.
Speaker 10: Well, they think there's too many, too quick.
Speaker 8: Different than coming well, I know, I think, well, I
Speaker 8: think a lot of this is that also don't have
Speaker 8: the workers.
Speaker 1: But I'm not talking about the illegally.
Speaker 10: I think there's a lot of a lot of concern
Speaker 10: that people come here as international students as a backdoor
Speaker 10: way into the company and.
Speaker 2: Family reunion and all of those things as well. But
Speaker 2: about that Wes sin Sydney question. The reason that I think,
Speaker 2: and I know that there's there's been this conversation and
Speaker 2: we've seen it in certain places, right Andrew Clenell door
Speaker 2: knocking in Paramatta. Some people did interpret that as conversation
Speaker 2: about immigration, trying to turn it into something cultural. But
Speaker 2: think about mayors like Frank Carboni, Fairfield mayor Blacktown mayor
Speaker 2: all of those places where essentially they go to Sydney,
Speaker 2: they go to Melbourne and the people in the mayors,
Speaker 2: the mayors of the areas where people end up going
Speaker 2: are saying hey, who who whoa enough dially saying things
Speaker 2: like that. So again it's look, it's juggling.
Speaker 8: Knives, juggling knives going. Does it work in Adelaide? Does
Speaker 8: it work in Tazzi? I mean Adelaide's I've got a
Speaker 8: ten percent one student accommodation rate that.
Speaker 10: I think immigration is the big issue of the campaign
Speaker 10: that the Coalition haven't hit on enough. I think right
Speaker 10: around the country, housing crisis, cost of living crisis, everybody knows,
Speaker 10: driven by record immigration, out of control immigration.
Speaker 1: This is the point. It's not as if this is
Speaker 1: what Labor said it would do.
Speaker 10: It's tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands more than their
Speaker 10: own plans.
Speaker 1: And I don't think they can mention that enough. And
Speaker 1: there's nothing.
Speaker 10: Xenophobic about it. It's about managing our immigrant nation problem, that's.
Speaker 8: Right, But it's still you know, no one's really touching
Speaker 8: on the supply side as much as they need to.
Speaker 8: It's all just tinkering around the edges. And the biggest
Speaker 8: problem here, Chris, is the cost of building or renovating
Speaker 8: at the moment, it's totally out of control and neither
Speaker 8: leader is talking about that. If you really want to
Speaker 8: talk about how to build homes, I mean, councils get
Speaker 8: out of the way. But also the cost of labor.
Speaker 8: There's not enough tradees coming exactly with.
Speaker 10: All these immigrants, but no trade's coming in. Well, the
Speaker 10: Union is playing a role in that.
Speaker 8: Perhaps, okay, well, but is it a problem with the
Speaker 8: number of immigrants or we're not getting the right skills
Speaker 8: two very separate issues. Both if you could fix the
Speaker 8: skilled migration issue, I mean you'd be on your way.
Speaker 1: So of course.
Speaker 2: But also but also I think that it speaks to
Speaker 2: what I hear in the conversation is a generational failure
Speaker 2: that we have had to tell kids it's okay to
Speaker 2: be your trading. It's actually advantageous, it's good to be
Speaker 2: a trade. I'm going way back to the Kim Beasley.
Speaker 8: Much money they're making at the moment.
Speaker 10: Yes, which is one of the plenty all play plenty
Speaker 10: and a lot of theatre that Dutton has Harry out
Speaker 10: there on the campaign. Trill with you saying something, I'm
Speaker 10: proud my son's are trading and I'll.
Speaker 2: Tell you load of middle income are not load the
Speaker 2: intern asset right off that labor basically trashed down to
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars in the budget, then quickly hurriedly shoved
Speaker 2: it up again for twelve months. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: tradees ABN's all right, and those people want the ability.
Speaker 2: So the idea of the working class only being the unionized, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: there's plenty of people out there being the subby's being
Speaker 2: their own. Now a poll just dropped from the Financial Review.
Speaker 2: This one is from the fresh Water Organization. At the
Speaker 2: halfway point, they say fifty to fifty. Now what's interesting
Speaker 2: about this is they say the primary vote the Liberal
Speaker 2: Parties at thirty nine, the Labor Parties is at thirty two.
Speaker 2: But this is the even more interesting because they actually
Speaker 2: put the numbers on seats. They say the coalition will
Speaker 2: win nine seats at this upcoming election. Labour would lose seven,
Speaker 2: which would of course take it from the majority position
Speaker 2: of seventy six down to seventy one. Now let's imagine
Speaker 2: that is the final result. Well, obviously, guess who forms government.
Speaker 2: It'll be the current government. The night messcenario for Albernezi
Speaker 2: is just how many he would need. Because Rebecca Sharky,
Speaker 2: who yes, has said Dutton gets the first crack at it.
Speaker 2: She's also said, whoever has the most number of seats,
Speaker 2: that's a more stable person. But that's only seventy two.
Speaker 2: Then of course maybe Bob Cadott, that's only seventy three. Okay,
Speaker 2: you start looking around, Helen Haynes, who's to the left,
Speaker 2: seventy four and then we're off to Tealtown. All right,
Speaker 2: we're off to Tealtown. We're off to Greenstown that pole
Speaker 2: and again you're responding to it in real time. But
Speaker 2: I mean the mats and all that matters is the seats,
Speaker 2: and we've seen the fall that's happened when it comes
Speaker 2: to the coalition. Obviously the Coalition would love to win
Speaker 2: an election, but if they end up in the mid
Speaker 2: to late sixties, then it's a better two term option
Speaker 2: than where they've been. And for Labor, who's already pretty
Speaker 2: cocky saying that, you know some people saying we're on
Speaker 2: their way to eighty mate, they'd go needing seven. What
Speaker 2: do you think of that?
Speaker 8: Pot, Laura, Well, you can't disagree with the trend. I mean,
Speaker 8: you can argue with individual polls like Freshwater. The numbers
Speaker 8: are interesting, absolutely, but the trend has not been going
Speaker 8: Dotton and the Coalition's way. Since the campaign began. I've
Speaker 8: been thinking about as to why that is, and I
Speaker 8: think this debate tonight showed why. In many ways, I
Speaker 8: thought Dutton was good, but he was cautious, perhaps a
Speaker 8: bit too cautious. I mean, when he first became opposition leader,
Speaker 8: it was his era. I just want to get things done.
Speaker 8: I don't care if people love me. These are my ideas.
Speaker 2: The voice he took the sixty to forty position of voice. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: this is malin in the sand, old defender.
Speaker 8: Nuclear, he defended, He was across the detail. He still
Speaker 8: is and that and people gave him a lot of
Speaker 8: credit for having balls to have actually have a crack
Speaker 8: at something. I think since the campaign begun and there's
Speaker 8: so much noise, there's so much feedback. Every day, there's
Speaker 8: you know, there's press conferences, the press gallery is in
Speaker 8: your face every day. You're going to question after question,
Speaker 8: and you're being wedged on certain things. I think some
Speaker 8: of his best instincts are a little bit dampened at
Speaker 8: the moment. I think he needs to get that back.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's I think he looks like he's been
Speaker 8: too worried about being painted as being aggressive because that's
Speaker 8: what Labor has been able to do.
Speaker 1: So it's really hard for him.
Speaker 8: But I just think that those instincts that he had
Speaker 8: when he first became leader and will into this term
Speaker 8: were spot on and he needs to get a little
Speaker 8: bit at that.
Speaker 2: Well, I think.
Speaker 10: But I think that's exactly what happened tonight, Paul. That's
Speaker 10: I mean, he got onto the front foot.
Speaker 1: And look he does it. He's not aggressive in his manner.
Speaker 8: You've taken this party in the most conservative bent that's
Speaker 8: ever been. I mean that was not challenged by him
Speaker 8: or Peter Dunton. But it's just playing on TikTok tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Well it's the nonsense they going on.
Speaker 10: But let's get back to this pole though, right, because
Speaker 10: it's only one pole. But if the Liberal Party gets
Speaker 10: a nationwide but almost timary vote of thirty nine, I'm
Speaker 10: telling you it's not going to be that hung parliament.
Speaker 10: You're talking about that just about win on thirty nine
Speaker 10: given what you get getting from one nation and the others,
Speaker 10: because it's not going to be uniform.
Speaker 1: Right, they're getting.
Speaker 10: Those swings in the outer suburban and regional seats and
Speaker 10: Labors vote, then the Greens will be holding up in
Speaker 10: the cities and you'll see some till Suaits disappear if
Speaker 10: they get thirty nine. They'd be very happy with a
Speaker 10: thirty nine primary. So that's very very interesting. But of
Speaker 10: course just one pole, just one other thing. But when
Speaker 10: you talk about the trend in the polls, it really
Speaker 10: Labor hasn't been picking up anything, correct, It's been a
Speaker 10: bit of the edge coming off the coalition primary vote.
Speaker 1: So that's what it's all about.
Speaker 8: Peter Dutton Patriots One nation, One nation, Yeah, one nation.
Speaker 10: So that's what it is. Dutton's got to just attract
Speaker 10: people back to the Coalition.
Speaker 8: And that alone its in and of itself. I mean
Speaker 8: Albo's saying tonight that Dunton's taking the party in the
Speaker 8: most conservative bent that it's been in recent.
Speaker 10: Times, modern era.
Speaker 1: It's just appointing.
Speaker 8: That's not true and this poll does show that. I
Speaker 8: mean there's a lot of people on the right that
Speaker 8: don't think Dutton's been conservative enough. In every Conservative leader
Speaker 8: in the last twenty years for the standard.
Speaker 10: Dross that's a standard dross you get from your socialist
Speaker 10: left prime minister. Anyone you know who believes in the private.
Speaker 1: Schools is some sort.
Speaker 2: Of can I also say too, I think one of
Speaker 2: the issues that is fiddling with a lot of liberals,
Speaker 2: be either the supporters, the advisors, or maybe even the
Speaker 2: principles right is the blitzkrieg on social media, I think
Speaker 2: is giving them a distorted depiction of what people all
Speaker 2: over the country are seeing.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: I think clearly labor multifaceted hitting from every legue, different angle.
Speaker 2: The idea that you don't even speak about what a
Speaker 2: policy is, you just play all good Booker music and
Speaker 2: put it with Darth Vader on it. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is a level of campaigning that I think is getting
Speaker 2: in their head a bit, and I think they don't
Speaker 2: need to be reminded. As massive and important as that
Speaker 2: area is, and it is, it ain't where everyone is.
Speaker 2: Can I just throw you one more thing about this pole,
Speaker 2: because in real time we'll try and just again how
Speaker 2: issues are falling. It's one pole who knows, all right,
Speaker 2: we know where the greater trend is. We know where
Speaker 2: the poles and the bookies are. Okay, have a look
Speaker 2: at this because on the left hand side, in the
Speaker 2: yellow the priority of issues cost of living, housing, healthcare, economy.
Speaker 2: All right on the other side is who's winning that debate.
Speaker 2: Cost of living right now is thirty three to labor
Speaker 2: thirty five to the coalition thirty two with a neither.
Speaker 2: Housing is thirty five to labor, thirty one to the
Speaker 2: coalition thirty four. Who knows? In healthcare? Unsurprisingly where the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister wants to get it, it's forty two to
Speaker 2: thirty one. On the economy, that's interesting here, it's thirty
Speaker 2: two to thirty eight. So labor leads on welfare, healthcare, family, education,
Speaker 2: employ but employment, housing all the same, Climate change, labor up,
Speaker 2: cost of living lives up, industrial action, labor up, economy
Speaker 2: lives up, infrastructure lives up, tax lives up, immigration lives
Speaker 2: up forty to twenty seven, Defense forty two to twenty seven,
Speaker 2: and crime, that issue that they all want to pretend
Speaker 2: is not in this campaign, not allowed feats.
Speaker 10: That they don't have electricity or energy in there at
Speaker 10: the sub level.
Speaker 2: See when I was for my sins watching of course
Speaker 2: the Bolt report here on Sky News on the main
Speaker 2: computer and on the side computer has happened accidentally. See
Speaker 2: what they were doing over there on the seven thirty
Speaker 2: report and they were showing Katie Allen going around her
Speaker 2: seat of Chisholm or trying to get the seat of
Speaker 2: Chisholm before Member for Mensis. And guess what came up? Crime, crime, crime,
Speaker 2: and it was crime from people who spoke a second
Speaker 2: language at home. So again, what's being said at the
Speaker 2: door to door level, what's being done at the letterbox level.
Speaker 2: These are all things none of us see and we'll
Speaker 2: all sit there and be surprised about as such on
Speaker 2: the night last one here and Laura, you know that
Speaker 2: I had thoughts on this throughout the day, But I
Speaker 2: want to show you a reporter from the Age asking
Speaker 2: a question of the alternative prime Minister. Now we know
Speaker 2: that treading dollars in debt isn't the third rail of
Speaker 2: Australian politics. We know that power prices not a third
Speaker 2: rail of Australian politics. Tax not a third rail of
Speaker 2: Australian politics. But how on earth does anyone answer a
Speaker 2: question like this?
Speaker 7: During your campaign, law to your National's leader spoke extensive
Speaker 7: about how much of a man you were. Your deputy
Speaker 7: Opposition leader spoke and gave ode to the boys in
Speaker 7: Blue and the tradees. You talk about mining, construction, agriculture
Speaker 7: and energy being the four killers of the economy. In
Speaker 7: your own campaign launch speech you mentioned women twice, and
Speaker 7: that was in relation to how you protect them from
Speaker 7: domestic violence and crime. A lot of your campaign has
Speaker 7: been at petrol stations. You've been in trucks. When you
Speaker 7: speak to about female dominated industries like education, you talk
Speaker 7: about the work agenda. What are you offering modern working women?
Speaker 6: I'm offering them a chance to get home?
Speaker 2: All right, Laura, it is impossible, impossible for any politician
Speaker 2: to adequately answer the question of the satisfaction of the
Speaker 2: person whom he's asking it. And as the representative of
Speaker 2: all women on this panel, you've seen how this has
Speaker 2: played out. You saw how badly it played out for
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison, and this was deployed, I think to get
Speaker 2: in his head. He answered as best as he could
Speaker 2: the idea that somehow sexism is petrol bowsers. What do
Speaker 2: you think of a question like that, and what do
Speaker 2: you think of how Peter dunn't answered it and how
Speaker 2: fair or unfair it was to frame him in that way.
Speaker 8: The whole exchange. The Teta tet went for about five
Speaker 8: minutes as well, so we just saw part of his
Speaker 8: answer there. It's worth going back and having a look
Speaker 8: because I think on his feet this question being asked
Speaker 8: to him, he couldn't have entered it better. There was
Speaker 8: a follow up from the journalist. I think, you know,
Speaker 8: not a bad question if you want to frame it
Speaker 8: in that way, but yeah, not fair. It should be
Speaker 8: asked to Anthony Abernezi well as well. If it is
Speaker 8: asked Anthony Abernezi, there would have been a whole day
Speaker 8: of a whole team pouring over answers and strategizing this.
Speaker 8: But I think this is a feature of this campaign
Speaker 8: that's not getting as much traction as it did when
Speaker 8: Scott Morrison was the Prime minister. Did you see also
Speaker 8: David little Proud describing one of the candidates of having
Speaker 8: you know, all the pull of a chi chihuahua. Then
Speaker 8: you had Clara O'Neills saying, oh, he's comparing it to
Speaker 8: a dog. I mean women's equality is when you can
Speaker 8: make comments like that and have those comments when there
Speaker 8: is just not even a batter of an eyelead because
Speaker 8: the same questions are asked to men.
Speaker 1: So, look, I mean there is. I mean how I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 8: How to answer that question, to be honest, I mean
Speaker 8: there is. We want a quality right, Yes, what she
Speaker 8: suggesting that housing is Amen's demain.
Speaker 10: Sexist gentral stations are only for men.
Speaker 1: Apparently, this is insane.
Speaker 11: This is this question, This is insane politically.
Speaker 8: But the line, the invisible line that she was trying
Speaker 8: to draw, yeah.
Speaker 1: Bok, Look it's insane.
Speaker 10: She's some I don't know who she is, but what
Speaker 10: she's done in gender studies at at the Tribe University
Speaker 10: or something. But it's just about pushing some pathetic agenda.
Speaker 10: It's just there to embarrass people. It should be dismissed
Speaker 10: as nonsense. But that's what they're tempting him to do.
Speaker 10: If he dismisses it as nonsense, then they portray him
Speaker 10: as a misogynist. I've noticed on social media tonight, Zoey
Speaker 10: Daniel and others.
Speaker 1: Are cutting it up. It's all about that women and
Speaker 1: tills and lefties. It is mine numbingly stupid.
Speaker 8: It's mind numbingly stupid. I agree with you, but this
Speaker 8: is what you get when you have a boring campaign
Speaker 8: where most politicians just want to give you line.
Speaker 1: No, I disagree. I disagree.
Speaker 10: This is what you get when you're a right of
Speaker 10: center politician. You never see that deport against the left.
Speaker 8: Not yeah, that's that's absolutely a fair comment. But you
Speaker 8: get these these journals are on a bus, right, They've
Speaker 8: got Stockholm syndrome there for a week, they get swapped out.
Speaker 8: They're getting the same boring answers every day that are
Speaker 8: designed just to be on high rotation on TikTok. You're
Speaker 8: on that bus. You're trying to think of an answer
Speaker 8: a question that's going to.
Speaker 1: Get What's name, I don't know. Well, here's an idea
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 10: What if she turns up at Anthony Albernesei's presser tomorrow
Speaker 10: and asks him, given the renewables are the cheapest form
Speaker 10: of energy, when will our power prices come down, and
Speaker 10: keep asking it until the answers?
Speaker 2: That would be challenging anything else about man and correct
Speaker 2: anything else, anything else about the debate where we sit tonight,
Speaker 2: that we've got to mention.
Speaker 8: Before one the last question. Actually, I thought the last
Speaker 8: question from Speezy was really good, you know, given the.
Speaker 2: Camp I was preparing in this last minute before the show,
Speaker 2: they did really.
Speaker 1: Think it's to remind us.
Speaker 8: Do you really think oh it was you know, do
Speaker 8: you really think that other guys as bad as you're.
Speaker 1: Making It was all.
Speaker 8: Part of the campaigning and there was a little bit
Speaker 8: of softness that you know, they find it.
Speaker 1: I give in, but they I would have gone hard.
Speaker 2: I don't much as I think.
Speaker 8: I think that was good for Peter because Anthony Abernezi
Speaker 8: stands up every day and says is terrible. But obviously
Speaker 8: they do talk across the aisle, you know, they do
Speaker 8: have private meetings.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing.
Speaker 2: And look, I say this about politics right as hard
Speaker 2: as I fight it, I know the participants love their families,
Speaker 2: have their friends, you're like, and the best thing about
Speaker 2: a result, and a definitive result is that there's that
Speaker 2: elective breathe out, unlike of course twenty ten, where when
Speaker 2: it's a dead result, everyone stays in that phase for
Speaker 2: a long time. Chris, anything last worth mentioning?
Speaker 6: Not really, mate.
Speaker 10: I just think pet you don't needs to resurrect the
Speaker 10: campaign over the East to break and maybe this was
Speaker 10: just a start.
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you guys, do appreciate it. We'll see
Speaker 2: you five o'clock, nine o'clock and on the other side
Speaker 2: of the break on Murray Life. Thanks for watching, Thank
Speaker 2: you for watching. If you are just joining us. The
Speaker 2: second leader's debate has taken place over on the ABC.
Speaker 2: I think Peter Dutton did very, very well. He was
Speaker 2: on the attack for most of it, or at least
Speaker 2: had good responses. So I really liked the moderation because
Speaker 2: they didn't just get into their preset answers. Instead, they
Speaker 2: were starting to be pulled into territory that they didn't
Speaker 2: want to talk about, and that wasn't good for Anthony Abernezi.
Speaker 2: I think many of his pushbacks were just blatant, sort
Speaker 2: of Haymaker lies. But that's my worldview. Let's find out
Speaker 2: what Roman Bishop and Stephen Conroy thought of it, and
Speaker 2: we'll start with you. Why am I one hundred percent wrong?
Speaker 2: And this is the greatest performance from the greatest prime
Speaker 2: minister of all time.
Speaker 9: No, look, I think that was probably Perry Dutton's best
Speaker 9: performance of the campaigner And I think Chris Kenny said,
Speaker 9: you know, if he'd been if he'd have kicked off
Speaker 9: his campaign like this two and a half weeks ago,
Speaker 9: he might not be having the bumps in the polling
Speaker 9: that you're seeing today, But I don't score it as
Speaker 9: a decisive victory. I think Albot was very solid as well,
Speaker 9: and I think that it was a quality debate. And
Speaker 9: like you, I give kudos to Spearsy. He pressed both ladies,
Speaker 9: he pressed them fairly, he held them to account. He
Speaker 9: wanted to get past, as you say, the scripted answers.
Speaker 9: I think he did a good job of that, and
Speaker 9: I think it was a quality performance across the whole debate.
Speaker 9: So I would score it as a draw. But I
Speaker 9: do absolutely agree that it was Dutton's best performance elevated
Speaker 9: to the godlike status that you have, Paul.
Speaker 6: It was performance.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite there, but I thought it was a
Speaker 2: pretty good showing. Broman, what did you think of it?
Speaker 11: I thought Dutton was the clear winner. And as for
Speaker 11: your comments about Albanisi, Steven, he was the biggest fibbre
Speaker 11: of the night, that's for sure. And the constant use
Speaker 11: of figures which are wrong, denied, just untrue constantly make
Speaker 11: people angry. And I have to say, when I was
Speaker 11: listening to a lot of the debate driving in the car,
Speaker 11: and when I hear him trot out six hundred billion
Speaker 11: dollars for nuclear power stations. I want to scream back
Speaker 11: at him because it's such a lie, but it doesn't
Speaker 11: get challenged enough and that makes me cross.
Speaker 1: That's why I sweed back at it.
Speaker 2: But again, what I love about a debate we saw
Speaker 2: this year here with huge audiences for the People's Forum,
Speaker 2: no doubt the same when it comes to the ABC one,
Speaker 2: hopefully the same for seven and nine. It means they're
Speaker 2: not seeing it in bites, they're not seeing it in
Speaker 2: selective grabs, they're not seeing it in TikTok. They're watching
Speaker 2: it for an hour. They're seeing the body language, they're
Speaker 2: seeing how things respond, and I think that's good. So
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you both an uncomfortable question. First,
Speaker 2: what was the worst moment for your leader? Stephen? I
Speaker 2: think on your feet. What was the worst moment for Albo?
Speaker 2: I say it was the power?
Speaker 9: I think now, I think both you and Chris Kenney
Speaker 9: made the point that Dutton hasn't targeted that enough in
Speaker 9: the campaign. I think that's where it's obviously a tough one.
Speaker 9: They made a promise, real world came along and it
Speaker 9: became challenging to deliver it. They have done good things
Speaker 9: in energy price reduction, but when you ask the question,
Speaker 9: you can see that they're cautious about doubling down on it.
Speaker 9: Peter Dutton's the same. He won't promise when the first
Speaker 9: fall because of the gas reservation in the next three years. Peter,
Speaker 9: I think that I agree with you and Chris Kenny
Speaker 9: Billimps have not done enough to press on that issue.
Speaker 2: All right, this is the man you can think on
Speaker 2: his feet. Brom Win the same, but I'll ask it
Speaker 2: the same way. What was the worst moment for done?
Speaker 11: When Peter Dublin was asked about did he believe in
Speaker 11: climate change? It was a wooly answer and maybe cringe.
Speaker 2: Right because it opens the door to that left at tank.
Speaker 11: No, because the whole point is is that there is
Speaker 11: a commitment made to twenty fifty. That's the commitment, yes,
Speaker 11: and the nuclear plan is designed to make that commitment.
Speaker 11: In the meantime. Right now, you've got things to do
Speaker 11: to keep the lights on, to keep the country going,
Speaker 11: and that is you keep maintenance on the coal fire
Speaker 11: at power stations to keep them working and keep you
Speaker 11: put the gas in as in accordance with the policy
Speaker 11: is outlined. Good policy. That's the answer. It's not a
Speaker 11: question is this flood worse than that flood? Is this
Speaker 11: heat wave worse than that heat wave? It's a question.
Speaker 11: We made it commitment. This is how I'm going to
Speaker 11: fulfill it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and certainly the line you know, I'm not a scientist.
Speaker 2: We know how that'll get spun in that.
Speaker 11: And if I hear the word much for the science again,
Speaker 11: I'll scream, because.
Speaker 1: There is no such thing.
Speaker 11: There are various scientists who say different things.
Speaker 2: All right, that's all. Now, I want to get back
Speaker 2: to this pole out of the financial review. It is
Speaker 2: in terms of the dipping poles, it's the best for
Speaker 2: the Libs in a little while where the dip is
Speaker 2: still there but the prime is at thirty nine. If
Speaker 2: their prime is at thirty nine and the era is
Speaker 2: you know, the statistical eraor well, then they're going to
Speaker 2: be doing a lot better. Obviously they could end up
Speaker 2: doing a lot worse. But I tell you what with
Speaker 2: some of these poles, labor losing according to this seven
Speaker 2: seats the coalition winning nine, meaning they would also get
Speaker 2: back a couple of Teal seats presumably there as well.
Speaker 2: But more interestingly, let's get to that issues that I
Speaker 2: mentioned before. Number one issue in the country cost a
Speaker 2: living well. That's changed by three percent in the past
Speaker 2: since March, and that's now in the favor of the
Speaker 2: coalition thirty five to thirty three. Similar number in the middle,
Speaker 2: but still important right considering how much we've discussed In housing,
Speaker 2: Labour leads that thirty five to thirty one. There's been
Speaker 2: a six point change in that over the past little while.
Speaker 2: In healthcare unsurprisingly massively dominant issue for the Labour Party
Speaker 2: at fifty two, sorry, forty two, thirty one. But crime
Speaker 2: now crime at ranks immigration, climate change, defense, tax, welfare, employment, education, infrastructure,
Speaker 2: family and industrial relations. The Leaves are leading on that
Speaker 2: thirty nine to twenty seven, and the lead keeps growing.
Speaker 2: What did you think of all of those stats that
Speaker 2: I've just screened at you? But of any of them,
Speaker 2: what gives you hope? Will gives you concern?
Speaker 11: Romin Well, I think when you hear regularly on the
Speaker 11: radio in the mornings that there's been another drive by
Speaker 11: shooting and one person's dead, that resonates with everybody. When
Speaker 11: you look at the crime road in Victoria, you understand
Speaker 11: why Victorias have no faith in their government or their
Speaker 11: police force anymore. When you look at the crime in
Speaker 11: the regions, what's happening in places like Mare, around Dubbo,
Speaker 11: in different cities around New South Wales, but also up
Speaker 11: around North Queensland where it is horrendous, And then of
Speaker 11: course you've got the dreadful incidences of domestic violence in
Speaker 11: the Northern territory. I can go state by state, but
Speaker 11: I think the interesting thing is that the other issues
Speaker 11: which you mentioned in their order of precedence before, I
Speaker 11: think the question that people are waking up to is
Speaker 11: that this entire country runs on diesel, and that's why
Speaker 11: the tax cut in the petrol and diesel tax is
Speaker 11: so vital because it doesn't only affect mums and dads,
Speaker 11: pensions and everybody else who'd get nothing out of a
Speaker 11: tax cut, but it does bring down the actual cost
Speaker 11: of living by lowering the cost of transportation, and that
Speaker 11: is why those issues are so important, Steve. And one
Speaker 11: other issue, I think the reason that Dublin's tale was
Speaker 11: up to light and why it was so good despite
Speaker 11: what I said about the climate change issue.
Speaker 1: Is that he's been out in the field.
Speaker 11: He's been out talking to people, he's been out in
Speaker 11: the Electric so I was over in Western Australia on
Speaker 11: the weekend. He was in Western Australia. He's hearing what
Speaker 11: people are saying and what they're complaining about and why
Speaker 11: they don't like this government.
Speaker 2: All right, Steve said to ask, but give me the
Speaker 2: thirty second version of your response to the poll.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Look, it is clearly the best of the polls for
Speaker 9: Dutton in the campaign, but it has the same consistent trend.
Speaker 9: Its Labor bottomed out in November December, hand that's been
Speaker 9: tracking up. So I think the trend it is Labour's friend,
Speaker 9: and Dunton really needs to perform like he did tonight
Speaker 9: every single day between now and the election day to
Speaker 9: put himself in the frame to get past seventy, which
Speaker 9: gives him a better chance to form minority governments. A
Speaker 9: lot of those seats are within margin of errors and
Speaker 9: so there could just easily be some of those seats
Speaker 9: to be on Labor.
Speaker 6: So maybe Labor's only.
Speaker 9: Losing five instead of seven, which puts it back into
Speaker 9: a Labor I think the pole still shows a minority
Speaker 9: Labor government. So all of the polls across Australia have
Speaker 9: shown over the last three or four weeks is the
Speaker 9: size of.
Speaker 6: A labor minority government.
Speaker 9: But I think it's a really good wake up call
Speaker 9: for anyone in labor. Anyone in Labor is walking around
Speaker 9: saying this election is done and dusted.
Speaker 6: We're heading to eighty seats.
Speaker 9: This is a poll that should give people pause and
Speaker 9: they should go It is not one. It is not over.
Speaker 9: Dutton is in proving and we have to double down
Speaker 9: and be focused and targeted and on our best campaign
Speaker 9: efforts like it.
Speaker 2: I like caution at times like this, so I really
Speaker 2: do all right, quick break back with more so we
Speaker 2: have some time on the other side of this, and
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Speaker 2: dot Au. Ourtown that's goews dot com dot Au. How
Speaker 2: goods are going to be in Wa? Not this Sunday,
Speaker 2: but next Sunday from when Bishop Stephen Conroy here, let's
Speaker 2: talk about what Paul Kelly wrote in the Australian newspaper
Speaker 2: today when he's talking about what he believes is perhaps
Speaker 2: some of the ghosts of the twenty twenty two faties
Speaker 2: of the Libs that may will still be alive in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. And I've got to say, well, I
Speaker 2: disagree with many of the points. I think that there
Speaker 2: was a very fair observation, which is that many people
Speaker 2: have overestimated the result of the Voice to be indicative
Speaker 2: of what might happen at an election. Bromin your thoughts
Speaker 2: on what a bloke who's seen a lot has to
Speaker 2: say about some of the darker clouds around the Liberals.
Speaker 11: No, I don't. I don't think he was right. I
Speaker 11: think that the voice was very important issue. But I
Speaker 11: don't think no one lays it down over the map
Speaker 11: of Australian and says it's all going to be repeated,
Speaker 11: that doesn't happen. But it was nonetheless very important. But
Speaker 11: what I do think is relevant in this debate, or
Speaker 11: in this point in the election, is that there is
Speaker 11: an attempt to try and say once again that there
Speaker 11: is a woman problem with regard to the Coalition and
Speaker 11: mister Dutton in particular. If there is a woman problem,
Speaker 11: I've got to say it is Astra Alberan Easy his
Speaker 11: actions towards Tanya Plebisset the other day. That was almost
Speaker 11: in the salt.
Speaker 2: It was that bad.
Speaker 11: It was a physical pushback. There's no love lost between
Speaker 11: those two, that's for sure. She's a very well respected woman.
Speaker 2: Well, and also have looked at the primary vote a
Speaker 2: central pole divided by a gender. Guess who has the
Speaker 2: worst numbers at the moment when it comes to the
Speaker 2: female to female it is not the coalition, but the
Speaker 2: same lines get trodden out all the time. All right, Stephen,
Speaker 2: what did you think of the analysis? And again, caution
Speaker 2: for those people in the same way that you've just
Speaker 2: said about your own people saying hey, you haven't won
Speaker 2: anything yet, pull your heads in, work hard. For those
Speaker 2: in the Libs who maybe did think that there was
Speaker 2: a direct correlation between places that went hard no as
Speaker 2: being of possible targets, particularly places like out of western Sydney.
Speaker 9: If I could just respond to one of Brobmin's comments
Speaker 9: there about the Albo Tanya into change, we must have
Speaker 9: been watching agent.
Speaker 1: It was awful.
Speaker 9: Clip we must thought it was clipan no way awful.
Speaker 6: This was almost in assultant pushback. Just stop it. So
Speaker 6: now moving on.
Speaker 9: To Paul's question, I actually thought it was a really
Speaker 9: insightful article.
Speaker 6: I think there was a lot of hubris.
Speaker 9: After the Voice was defeated on the conservative side of politics.
Speaker 9: I regularly remember when you even used the phrase, Paul,
Speaker 9: everyone's saying, get the map out, let's lay the voice
Speaker 9: over the electra because you turn that voice now. No, no,
Speaker 9: I'm just saying you just mentioned, but described it because
Speaker 9: we both heard it so many times that the voice
Speaker 9: vote will resonate, it will stand up over the two years.
Speaker 9: The smartest thing that Albo did was you made sure
Speaker 9: it was done and dusted and well before the action.
Speaker 9: You remember the people saying, no, no.
Speaker 6: You should differ it, you should defer it. They've got
Speaker 6: going down.
Speaker 2: All right, I apologize five seconds if you can do it.
Speaker 11: I'm just going to say, Stephen, it is still relevant.
Speaker 11: It's not the defining issue that it was at the time,
Speaker 11: but it is still relevant to say that there is
Speaker 11: a willingness for people to consider what your attitude is
Speaker 11: to the whole question.
Speaker 2: Of the all right, the bells are ringing. The bells
Speaker 2: are ringing for you can do it all again. Next week.
Speaker 1: We'll see you. Then.
Speaker 2: It's mixed