1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,801 Speaker 1: Apoche production. 2 00:00:11,561 --> 00:00:14,161 Speaker 2: On a sunny Saturday at the football in Adelaide in 3 00:00:14,241 --> 00:00:15,641 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three, and. 4 00:00:16,041 --> 00:00:18,041 Speaker 3: The rover will put it forward from Santa Wing towards 5 00:00:18,041 --> 00:00:19,281 Speaker 3: Santa harf Ford Hobby in the front. 6 00:00:19,361 --> 00:00:22,281 Speaker 4: One couldn't pull it down. Knocked on intelligently by furl Formark. 7 00:00:23,121 --> 00:00:25,841 Speaker 2: Eleven year old Joanne Ratcliffe took her four year old 8 00:00:25,881 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: friend Kirsty Gordon to the toilet. They were never seen again. 9 00:00:37,801 --> 00:00:41,201 Speaker 2: Fifty three years later, joe ane sister Susie is still 10 00:00:41,241 --> 00:00:42,601 Speaker 2: searching well. 11 00:00:42,601 --> 00:00:44,681 Speaker 5: Of all the baffling crimes that have been committed in 12 00:00:44,681 --> 00:00:47,801 Speaker 5: this city, few are more heartbreaking than the disappearance of 13 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:49,521 Speaker 5: Kirsty Gordon and Johann. 14 00:00:49,281 --> 00:00:53,481 Speaker 6: Ratcliffe, but not having I bought it to bury and 15 00:00:53,601 --> 00:00:56,481 Speaker 6: to actually grieve for her properly. 16 00:01:02,081 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: There are theories that. 17 00:01:03,881 --> 00:01:07,361 Speaker 5: We're seen of a man wearing a check coat and 18 00:01:07,441 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 5: a brimmed hat leading them from the ground, never to 19 00:01:11,481 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 5: be seen again. 20 00:01:12,721 --> 00:01:16,521 Speaker 7: It was a crime that one would think was a 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 7: part of child abuse type of thing, you know. 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,121 Speaker 2: So do you think there could be a link between 23 00:01:24,161 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: what pedophelia and the battle? Absolutely, absolutely no doubt about 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,121 Speaker 2: their suspects. 25 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,321 Speaker 7: He should probably be in a mental institution to tell 26 00:01:32,321 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 7: you the truth rather than imprison. 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 8: The gentleman that was dressed in women's clothing was sort 28 00:01:38,721 --> 00:01:44,521 Speaker 8: of loitering around where the ladies toilets were rumors. 29 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,481 Speaker 7: It's childhood and how do you access that while you're 30 00:01:46,521 --> 00:01:50,161 Speaker 7: in prisons. And he was put on that property by government. 31 00:01:50,721 --> 00:01:53,361 Speaker 7: He was sent out to there to get him away 32 00:01:53,361 --> 00:01:55,801 Speaker 7: from Adelaide because he was molesting. 33 00:01:55,281 --> 00:01:58,361 Speaker 2: To many children and possible cover ups. 34 00:01:58,881 --> 00:02:04,081 Speaker 7: If you've got a pedophile ring that's catering for the 35 00:02:04,561 --> 00:02:08,081 Speaker 7: high high end of society, you'd probably want to protect 36 00:02:08,081 --> 00:02:09,401 Speaker 7: that set of. 37 00:02:09,441 --> 00:02:13,601 Speaker 2: Boring what happened to joe Anne and Kirsty. 38 00:02:14,881 --> 00:02:17,641 Speaker 6: Now, just appeal to those outd you that may have 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:23,561 Speaker 6: those answers, please find it within your heart during Crime 40 00:02:23,561 --> 00:02:28,681 Speaker 6: Stoppers put an end to our pain, Thank. 41 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,041 Speaker 7: You, says. 42 00:02:40,601 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: Episode four The Barrels. In the last episode, we met 43 00:02:45,881 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: Xpikey and now private investigator Robert Cameron, or as he's 44 00:02:50,601 --> 00:02:52,201 Speaker 2: more affectionately. 45 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,961 Speaker 7: Known, I'm Bear or Robert Cameron. 46 00:02:54,201 --> 00:02:56,481 Speaker 2: He's a big bloke with an even bigger heart, and 47 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,401 Speaker 2: he's not in the search for joe Anne and Kirsty 48 00:02:58,441 --> 00:03:01,441 Speaker 2: for the million dollar award. He actually wants to help 49 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: Susie and anyone affected by this terrible tragedy. We also 50 00:03:06,041 --> 00:03:09,321 Speaker 2: heard about Mark Marshall, who's confessed to knowing about what 51 00:03:09,481 --> 00:03:13,841 Speaker 2: happened to Joanne and Kirsty. You can hear that in 52 00:03:13,921 --> 00:03:20,761 Speaker 2: previous episodes. In Bear's mind, Mark Marshall should probably be 53 00:03:20,881 --> 00:03:24,201 Speaker 2: in a psychiatric unit, not in jail, as he thinks 54 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,121 Speaker 2: there's some deep psychological issues that won't be helped by 55 00:03:28,161 --> 00:03:32,001 Speaker 2: jail time. It's been shown through his years of prison time. 56 00:03:32,561 --> 00:03:36,801 Speaker 2: Mark Marshall still collects child pornography has not been rehabilitated. 57 00:03:39,721 --> 00:03:46,441 Speaker 2: Bear tells me how he first met Susie. 58 00:03:46,161 --> 00:03:48,801 Speaker 7: Soon as he got in touch with me through social media. 59 00:03:48,881 --> 00:03:52,521 Speaker 7: I believe, or actually because I've done it. I've done 60 00:03:52,521 --> 00:03:57,041 Speaker 7: a couple of interviews with Channel seven and that, and 61 00:03:57,561 --> 00:03:59,321 Speaker 7: when I was handing the evidence. 62 00:03:59,001 --> 00:04:03,881 Speaker 4: In Hart's grandson, convicted pedophile Mark Marshall, has detailed evidence 63 00:04:03,881 --> 00:04:08,081 Speaker 4: against his grandfather from inside prison. That material used by 64 00:04:08,081 --> 00:04:12,601 Speaker 4: a private investigators to uncover what they believe is crucial evidence. 65 00:04:12,841 --> 00:04:14,641 Speaker 7: Grat Away that he stood up on the back of 66 00:04:14,681 --> 00:04:17,761 Speaker 7: my neck and that was confirmation that his story has 67 00:04:17,841 --> 00:04:24,641 Speaker 7: some substance somehow. Sous he probably through that media things 68 00:04:25,041 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 7: she was on the same news segments. Let's how she 69 00:04:29,401 --> 00:04:32,721 Speaker 7: found out about me and what I was doing, and 70 00:04:32,761 --> 00:04:35,561 Speaker 7: we ended up meeting up and becoming friends. 71 00:04:36,001 --> 00:04:38,041 Speaker 2: So let's just run through a bit of a timeline here. 72 00:04:38,761 --> 00:04:41,441 Speaker 2: January two thousand and seven is when Mark Marshall writes 73 00:04:41,481 --> 00:04:44,681 Speaker 2: a confession letter for one of a Better word, saying 74 00:04:44,681 --> 00:04:48,161 Speaker 2: his grandfather was involved in the disappearance of Joanne and Kirsty. 75 00:04:48,481 --> 00:04:52,361 Speaker 2: Then in March two thousand and seven, Marshall speaks about 76 00:04:52,361 --> 00:04:56,041 Speaker 2: his confession before the Commissioner Mulligan as part of the 77 00:04:56,121 --> 00:04:59,641 Speaker 2: Children in State Care Commission of inquiry. That detail of 78 00:05:00,161 --> 00:05:04,121 Speaker 2: that State Care Commission of inquiry is actually sealed, but 79 00:05:04,201 --> 00:05:07,241 Speaker 2: it was leaked, is that right? Yes, it was leaked 80 00:05:08,081 --> 00:05:11,801 Speaker 2: and was online for maybe about six months before they 81 00:05:11,801 --> 00:05:14,481 Speaker 2: found it and were able to remove it from online, 82 00:05:14,481 --> 00:05:17,841 Speaker 2: not before. Lots of people have got copies of it, 83 00:05:18,161 --> 00:05:19,121 Speaker 2: which I believe. 84 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,401 Speaker 7: You haven't even Yeah, I've got a proper hardback copy 85 00:05:22,521 --> 00:05:23,761 Speaker 7: from the inquiry. 86 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,041 Speaker 2: Then in December two thousand and eight, major crime detectives 87 00:05:28,401 --> 00:05:32,041 Speaker 2: led by you, I believe, were given the documents and 88 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,161 Speaker 2: search of the Yatna farmhouse and the dam and they 89 00:05:37,201 --> 00:05:39,161 Speaker 2: removed a couple of items. Tell me about how all 90 00:05:39,201 --> 00:05:41,481 Speaker 2: that came about. And what did the police say when 91 00:05:41,521 --> 00:05:43,361 Speaker 2: you first went to them saying that you had information. 92 00:05:43,841 --> 00:05:46,361 Speaker 7: Ah, the police said it was all fantasy and fiction 93 00:05:47,481 --> 00:05:52,161 Speaker 7: and none of it existed. And I said, well, we've 94 00:05:52,201 --> 00:05:57,081 Speaker 7: actually found a place, and we were we've been up 95 00:05:57,121 --> 00:05:59,641 Speaker 7: there and yeah, yeah, we've been out there too. They 96 00:05:59,681 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 7: said this and there and then, but they went to 97 00:06:07,561 --> 00:06:10,361 Speaker 7: the wrong location. They actually went to the wrong house. 98 00:06:11,081 --> 00:06:14,161 Speaker 7: I told them about the dam. There was a service 99 00:06:14,201 --> 00:06:19,561 Speaker 7: tunnel underneath the dam, and they was still a total 100 00:06:19,721 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 7: disbelief of the whole thing. And I told him about 101 00:06:23,641 --> 00:06:26,601 Speaker 7: the dam and that we'd found the service tunnel underneath it, 102 00:06:26,681 --> 00:06:30,361 Speaker 7: and I said to the police officer. Another guy, a 103 00:06:30,361 --> 00:06:33,401 Speaker 7: friend of mine, Rambo, had gone out there with them 104 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:40,201 Speaker 7: and showed them. He showed them where we found various 105 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,321 Speaker 7: bones that apparently didn't belong to a human. But there 106 00:06:43,401 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 7: was definitely an ankle bone, but that was from an adult, 107 00:06:48,001 --> 00:06:51,921 Speaker 7: so we believe that might may have been an aboriginal remain. 108 00:06:53,161 --> 00:06:56,041 Speaker 7: Rainbow took them out there and they stood on a 109 00:06:56,041 --> 00:07:00,801 Speaker 7: big rainwater tank in the creek, and a friend of 110 00:07:00,801 --> 00:07:03,801 Speaker 7: mine was actually up in the hill filming the whole 111 00:07:04,001 --> 00:07:08,561 Speaker 7: thing happening to be sure that one friend wouldn't disappear, 112 00:07:09,001 --> 00:07:13,201 Speaker 7: et cetera. The police. One of the police officers actually 113 00:07:13,241 --> 00:07:18,161 Speaker 7: slipped and nearly fell into the water. And when I 114 00:07:18,441 --> 00:07:21,161 Speaker 7: went to do the interview, when I was handing in evidence, 115 00:07:21,361 --> 00:07:23,041 Speaker 7: I was telling him, I said, you know when you 116 00:07:23,081 --> 00:07:26,521 Speaker 7: slipped off the barrel, and he goes yeah, And I said, well, 117 00:07:27,521 --> 00:07:30,201 Speaker 7: you nearly went into the tunnel. I said, the tunnel's 118 00:07:30,281 --> 00:07:34,681 Speaker 7: right there. And then he got interested and he sat 119 00:07:34,841 --> 00:07:37,601 Speaker 7: he sat up and got very interested about the whole thing. 120 00:07:37,681 --> 00:07:41,481 Speaker 7: And he didn't know anything about the tunnel because it 121 00:07:41,561 --> 00:07:47,241 Speaker 7: was very well concealed. And we got down there on 122 00:07:47,321 --> 00:07:49,041 Speaker 7: the hands and knees in a months of the mud 123 00:07:49,081 --> 00:07:52,801 Speaker 7: and the water and everything we took out. We took 124 00:07:52,841 --> 00:07:56,881 Speaker 7: a bilge pump out there, we took winches and everything. 125 00:07:57,001 --> 00:07:58,881 Speaker 7: We pulled all the crap out of the creek so 126 00:07:58,961 --> 00:08:03,361 Speaker 7: we could get into the entrance there. And then and 127 00:08:03,441 --> 00:08:05,601 Speaker 7: the way we found it, we act he found a 128 00:08:05,681 --> 00:08:09,281 Speaker 7: gate laying under a tree, a great big steel gate 129 00:08:09,361 --> 00:08:13,081 Speaker 7: to it. And it was like, oh, we've got kids, 130 00:08:12,401 --> 00:08:15,161 Speaker 7: there's a tunnel here. There is a tunnel here, And 131 00:08:15,201 --> 00:08:17,921 Speaker 7: so we started looking for it and then then we 132 00:08:18,001 --> 00:08:21,601 Speaker 7: found a tunnel. But after I'd pointed out that that 133 00:08:21,841 --> 00:08:24,561 Speaker 7: that police officer had nearly slipped into that tunnel, he 134 00:08:24,641 --> 00:08:29,641 Speaker 7: became very very interested in the whole thing again. And yeah, 135 00:08:31,401 --> 00:08:33,881 Speaker 7: that's where we found the barrels inside that tunnel, and 136 00:08:33,921 --> 00:08:37,321 Speaker 7: it has been sealed up for years and years and years. 137 00:08:39,401 --> 00:08:42,641 Speaker 2: Now. Those barrels were written about it. In Mark's statement, 138 00:08:42,841 --> 00:08:49,161 Speaker 2: he'd talked about seeing a body in those barrels and 139 00:08:49,841 --> 00:08:53,561 Speaker 2: he believed that body was joe Ane's, so. 140 00:08:53,641 --> 00:08:56,561 Speaker 7: Right, somebody hid them there for a reason, and there 141 00:08:56,601 --> 00:08:59,081 Speaker 7: was there was three of them all up and they 142 00:08:59,121 --> 00:09:03,761 Speaker 7: were definitely hidden there for a reason. Barrels we got 143 00:09:04,721 --> 00:09:10,121 Speaker 7: a had to do a test on them, and the 144 00:09:10,241 --> 00:09:13,961 Speaker 7: vets did a special blood testing and it came up 145 00:09:14,001 --> 00:09:19,601 Speaker 7: positive to blood and a very low acid, which which 146 00:09:19,681 --> 00:09:23,601 Speaker 7: is like a really powerful asset. And then we handed 147 00:09:23,641 --> 00:09:26,161 Speaker 7: it over to the police. We handed temples over to 148 00:09:26,241 --> 00:09:30,801 Speaker 7: the police and they said, no, there's not there's no, 149 00:09:31,121 --> 00:09:35,241 Speaker 7: we can't come up with any human DNA, and that 150 00:09:35,401 --> 00:09:41,801 Speaker 7: was pretty much it. They just dismissed the barrels. When 151 00:09:41,841 --> 00:09:48,601 Speaker 7: we opened the barrels, they stunk and and all the 152 00:09:48,721 --> 00:09:52,201 Speaker 7: remaining liquid had poured out of them, and then we 153 00:09:52,321 --> 00:09:57,321 Speaker 7: took the solids and got them tests well, or handed 154 00:09:57,321 --> 00:10:01,401 Speaker 7: them to the police, and we won. We sent one 155 00:10:01,441 --> 00:10:03,761 Speaker 7: off to a to a vet and went off to 156 00:10:03,801 --> 00:10:13,041 Speaker 7: the police and the police couldn't come up with any. 157 00:10:10,921 --> 00:10:13,041 Speaker 2: So that first time that you went to the barrels 158 00:10:13,081 --> 00:10:16,201 Speaker 2: was January two thousand and nine. In December twenty eleven, 159 00:10:16,241 --> 00:10:19,561 Speaker 2: Mark Marshall was on the cusp of release from prison 160 00:10:19,761 --> 00:10:23,121 Speaker 2: and he was caught stockpiling child porn in his cell. 161 00:10:23,321 --> 00:10:27,761 Speaker 2: April twenty twelve, the Adelaide Advertiser reports news of a 162 00:10:27,801 --> 00:10:31,881 Speaker 2: confession by Marshall in which Heart, his granddad is named 163 00:10:31,881 --> 00:10:34,921 Speaker 2: as a suspect. And the document, as you've said, is 164 00:10:34,921 --> 00:10:38,001 Speaker 2: provided to major crime police, who label it a fantasy. 165 00:10:38,281 --> 00:10:40,521 Speaker 2: Why do you think police would label it a fantasy? 166 00:10:40,641 --> 00:10:44,201 Speaker 2: That's pretty strong words after you've given him a lot 167 00:10:44,201 --> 00:10:44,801 Speaker 2: of information. 168 00:10:46,161 --> 00:10:50,801 Speaker 7: Well, Hart was a known pedophile in Adelaide and he 169 00:10:50,921 --> 00:10:54,441 Speaker 7: was put on that property by government. He was sent 170 00:10:54,561 --> 00:10:57,481 Speaker 7: out to there to get him away from Adelaide because 171 00:10:57,481 --> 00:11:02,321 Speaker 7: he was molesting too many children. If you've got a 172 00:11:02,321 --> 00:11:07,121 Speaker 7: pedophile ring that's catering for the high high end of society, 173 00:11:07,441 --> 00:11:11,041 Speaker 7: you'd probably want to protect that bit a boring. Yeah, 174 00:11:11,841 --> 00:11:13,961 Speaker 7: you probably want to make sure that those that high 175 00:11:14,041 --> 00:11:17,361 Speaker 7: end of society doesn't get caught. No doubt there would 176 00:11:17,361 --> 00:11:20,601 Speaker 7: have been low lives involved, but I did so there 177 00:11:20,641 --> 00:11:23,921 Speaker 7: was some high end people involved as well. 178 00:11:24,161 --> 00:11:27,321 Speaker 2: So in August twenty fourteen, Mark and his team of 179 00:11:27,361 --> 00:11:32,721 Speaker 2: private investigators essentially by Keymates said the contents of the 180 00:11:32,721 --> 00:11:35,801 Speaker 2: barrels that they found in the damn wall of for testing. 181 00:11:36,201 --> 00:11:39,281 Speaker 2: Nothing of note was found except for a weak trace 182 00:11:39,321 --> 00:11:42,601 Speaker 2: of blood, but they couldn't prove it was human remains. 183 00:11:43,281 --> 00:11:47,641 Speaker 2: Then two years later, on September sixteen, twenty fourteen, the 184 00:11:47,681 --> 00:11:51,441 Speaker 2: police returned to the farm for more searchers in close 185 00:11:51,481 --> 00:11:52,921 Speaker 2: relation to the cold case. 186 00:11:53,881 --> 00:11:57,081 Speaker 3: Good morning everybody. This week in South Astrilia police have 187 00:11:57,241 --> 00:12:00,721 Speaker 3: continued their investigations into the nineteen seventy three disappearance of 188 00:12:00,881 --> 00:12:04,641 Speaker 3: Joanne Rancliffe eleven years and Coursty Gordon four years from 189 00:12:05,121 --> 00:12:09,241 Speaker 3: over on the twenty fifth Forest nineteen seventy three. This 190 00:12:09,401 --> 00:12:13,601 Speaker 3: week we've attended several sizes at our properties at Yatna, 191 00:12:13,801 --> 00:12:16,241 Speaker 3: which is in the mid north of the state. We've 192 00:12:16,281 --> 00:12:21,161 Speaker 3: spent three days excavating a well and examining a second will. 193 00:12:21,841 --> 00:12:24,441 Speaker 3: This is in furtherance of a number of visits to 194 00:12:24,881 --> 00:12:28,041 Speaker 3: that location over the past twelve months and three previous 195 00:12:28,241 --> 00:12:31,481 Speaker 3: occasions where one of the worlds has been excavated. 196 00:12:32,001 --> 00:12:34,961 Speaker 2: I asked Bair why police went back to the farm 197 00:12:35,161 --> 00:12:36,681 Speaker 2: over two years later. 198 00:12:37,521 --> 00:12:40,241 Speaker 7: Because of our prompting and the fact that we've been 199 00:12:40,281 --> 00:12:43,441 Speaker 7: to the media. So they had to put up a 200 00:12:45,601 --> 00:12:48,801 Speaker 7: bit of a public show that they were doing something. 201 00:12:48,881 --> 00:12:52,081 Speaker 7: So they put up a million dollar rewards and all 202 00:12:52,121 --> 00:12:53,921 Speaker 7: that sort of stuff and went out there and did 203 00:12:53,961 --> 00:12:57,721 Speaker 7: a pr ex and they went to the rule property. 204 00:12:58,281 --> 00:13:00,561 Speaker 7: They were eight hundred meters from the property we were 205 00:13:01,521 --> 00:13:04,321 Speaker 7: they were supposed to be at. I took Susi there. 206 00:13:04,441 --> 00:13:06,521 Speaker 7: I took suit is he out there at a later 207 00:13:06,601 --> 00:13:09,561 Speaker 7: date and I showed her And as soon as I 208 00:13:09,641 --> 00:13:13,801 Speaker 7: pointed out the world to her, she she's screamed it out. 209 00:13:13,881 --> 00:13:17,961 Speaker 7: She goes, where's all the bushes? Because in the footage 210 00:13:18,081 --> 00:13:21,601 Speaker 7: that they showed her there was bushes all around the world. 211 00:13:22,081 --> 00:13:24,201 Speaker 7: She goes, where's all the bushes? And I pointed at 212 00:13:24,241 --> 00:13:27,441 Speaker 7: the property eight hundred meters away and she went they 213 00:13:27,481 --> 00:13:34,001 Speaker 7: were all fucking property and she screamed it out. And yeah, 214 00:13:34,681 --> 00:13:41,481 Speaker 7: their investigation is botched from start to finish. 215 00:13:41,641 --> 00:13:44,121 Speaker 2: You have a few series about what's happened here. The 216 00:13:44,121 --> 00:13:47,761 Speaker 2: first is as a pedophile ring and is it your 217 00:13:47,801 --> 00:13:52,481 Speaker 2: belief that that police may have been involved in that? 218 00:13:53,481 --> 00:13:58,681 Speaker 7: Definitely without a doubt to two officers called Hudson and Carley, 219 00:14:00,961 --> 00:14:03,561 Speaker 7: at least two and that that. But they were they 220 00:14:03,561 --> 00:14:07,441 Speaker 7: were like the nasty guys that took care of all 221 00:14:07,521 --> 00:14:12,961 Speaker 7: the nasti dealings. And they've even been mustered for assaulting 222 00:14:13,041 --> 00:14:17,801 Speaker 7: people in Salisbury and everything. And they also got mustered 223 00:14:17,841 --> 00:14:21,041 Speaker 7: for murdering doctor Duncan in the Adelaide River. 224 00:14:26,321 --> 00:14:29,921 Speaker 2: The story of doctor Duncan was a large story in Adelaide. 225 00:14:30,361 --> 00:14:34,081 Speaker 2: George Duncan was an Australian law lecturer at the University 226 00:14:34,121 --> 00:14:37,561 Speaker 2: of Adelaide who drowned in nineteen seventy two after being 227 00:14:37,601 --> 00:14:39,961 Speaker 2: thrown into the River Torrents by a group of men 228 00:14:40,481 --> 00:14:42,001 Speaker 2: believed to be police officers. 229 00:14:42,161 --> 00:14:45,161 Speaker 5: Forty years since the death of gay law lecturer doctor 230 00:14:45,201 --> 00:14:50,201 Speaker 5: George Duncan, his unsolved murder prompted the state to decriminalize homosexuality. 231 00:14:50,681 --> 00:14:53,681 Speaker 5: Wreaths were placed in the River Torrens where doctor Duncan 232 00:14:53,801 --> 00:14:55,761 Speaker 5: drowned in nineteen seventy two. 233 00:14:56,441 --> 00:15:00,321 Speaker 2: Witnesses at the time, declined to identify the attackers, and 234 00:15:00,361 --> 00:15:03,641 Speaker 2: even the Premier of South Australia at the time offered 235 00:15:03,681 --> 00:15:07,801 Speaker 2: government protection to witnesses after it was reported that they 236 00:15:07,841 --> 00:15:11,161 Speaker 2: feared for their lives. Within days of the murder, it 237 00:15:11,281 --> 00:15:14,001 Speaker 2: was suspected that the group of men who killed Duncan 238 00:15:14,361 --> 00:15:19,081 Speaker 2: with three senior Vice Squad police officers. Public debate was 239 00:15:19,081 --> 00:15:22,681 Speaker 2: so great that police called in detectives from Scotland Yard. 240 00:15:23,161 --> 00:15:25,761 Speaker 2: Their report, which was not made public until two thousand 241 00:15:25,801 --> 00:15:30,561 Speaker 2: and two, indicated that Vice Squad officers Francis Cowley, Michael 242 00:15:30,601 --> 00:15:34,681 Speaker 2: Clayton and Brian Hudson had taken part in the three assaults. 243 00:15:35,121 --> 00:15:38,801 Speaker 2: The incident, described as a frolic, failed to find sufficient 244 00:15:38,841 --> 00:15:41,721 Speaker 2: evidence to prosecute any of the officers due to a 245 00:15:41,801 --> 00:15:45,601 Speaker 2: lack of witness testimony. All three detectives were called upon 246 00:15:45,641 --> 00:15:49,521 Speaker 2: to give evidence, but declined. In nineteen eighty five, a 247 00:15:49,681 --> 00:15:53,401 Speaker 2: former Vice Squad officer, mick O'shay, who had resigned in 248 00:15:53,441 --> 00:15:57,641 Speaker 2: eighty one, told an Adelaide newspaper that the group involved 249 00:15:57,761 --> 00:16:00,401 Speaker 2: were Vice Squad officers and that there was a cover 250 00:16:00,561 --> 00:16:03,601 Speaker 2: up to protect them. On the fifth of February nineteen 251 00:16:03,681 --> 00:16:08,601 Speaker 2: eighty six, called Clayton and Hudson were charged with the 252 00:16:08,641 --> 00:16:13,881 Speaker 2: manslaughter of Duncan. Corley and Clayton eventually went to trial 253 00:16:13,961 --> 00:16:17,481 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty eight, with both being acquitted of the charges. 254 00:16:18,681 --> 00:16:22,401 Speaker 2: During the trial, O'Shea made specific allegations that it was 255 00:16:22,481 --> 00:16:26,561 Speaker 2: common practice for Vice Squad officers to throw homosexuals in 256 00:16:26,641 --> 00:16:30,921 Speaker 2: the river. A police task force was set up, reporting 257 00:16:30,921 --> 00:16:34,041 Speaker 2: to the South Australian Parliament. In nineteen ninety, there was 258 00:16:34,081 --> 00:16:38,681 Speaker 2: insufficient evidence to charge any person with the murder. Repeated 259 00:16:38,761 --> 00:16:43,001 Speaker 2: calls for a royal commission have been ignored. This information 260 00:16:43,081 --> 00:16:45,641 Speaker 2: is important in this podcast as it might feel it 261 00:16:45,681 --> 00:16:49,241 Speaker 2: takes us down a rabbit hole, but there believes that 262 00:16:49,281 --> 00:16:51,881 Speaker 2: there was some sort of pedophile ring in Adelaide in 263 00:16:51,921 --> 00:16:55,721 Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies. He also believes that police knew 264 00:16:55,721 --> 00:16:59,001 Speaker 2: about it. It would correlate with the Beaumont children who 265 00:16:59,041 --> 00:17:02,241 Speaker 2: went missing in nineteen sixty six. This pedophile ring was 266 00:17:02,321 --> 00:17:05,161 Speaker 2: one of the reasons the Royal Commission into Children and 267 00:17:05,281 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: Care began. In twenty sixteen, it was reported that a 268 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: pedophile ring operating in Adelaide for more than two decades 269 00:17:13,001 --> 00:17:19,001 Speaker 2: had international links with groups in the United Kingdom. 270 00:17:19,321 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 9: In the virtual world. He was the undisputed leader of 271 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 9: the globe's biggest child abuse site, an online network of 272 00:17:27,441 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 9: pedophiles in dozens of countries. 273 00:17:30,561 --> 00:17:33,521 Speaker 2: Bears claims may not be as far fetched as you 274 00:17:33,561 --> 00:17:37,801 Speaker 2: may think. They're also shared another claim with me which 275 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: is harder to believe but worthy of exploring. Mark Marshall. 276 00:17:43,921 --> 00:17:46,681 Speaker 2: You believe you know his real identity. 277 00:17:46,761 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, I believe he could. There's a possibility. There's a 278 00:17:51,801 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 7: very strung possibility because he fits the same age group, 279 00:17:57,281 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 7: he's around the same age, he's at that location all 280 00:18:04,321 --> 00:18:10,481 Speaker 7: right now as a very young child. Maybe Grant Beaumont 281 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,521 Speaker 7: looks spared because he was younger and he wouldn't have 282 00:18:13,961 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 7: too many memories. And I believe that he may possibly 283 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 7: be Grant Beaumont. 284 00:18:23,521 --> 00:18:27,241 Speaker 2: So you're saying Mark Marshall, who is currently in jail 285 00:18:27,281 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: as a pedophile, could be Grant Beaumont, who was the 286 00:18:31,681 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: youngest of the three children taken in Adelaide in nineteen 287 00:18:34,761 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 2: sixty six. 288 00:18:36,481 --> 00:18:38,121 Speaker 7: It's a very strong possibility. 289 00:18:39,681 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: Let's just run through that possibility. Grant Beaumont was four 290 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:46,041 Speaker 2: when he went missing in nineteen sixty six, which would 291 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 2: have made him eleven years old at the time. Of 292 00:18:48,201 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 2: Joanne's disappearance, which is about the same age as Joanne. 293 00:18:52,681 --> 00:18:56,321 Speaker 2: In Mark's statement, he talks a lot about him and 294 00:18:56,441 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: Joanne were sort of friends and they'd seen each other 295 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,321 Speaker 2: before at the football as a right. 296 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,321 Speaker 7: He does say that in his statement. 297 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:08,481 Speaker 2: Yet, and Joanne, from Susie's account, was a friendly person 298 00:19:08,761 --> 00:19:12,401 Speaker 2: who would be quite motherly and would talk to anyone. 299 00:19:13,521 --> 00:19:15,801 Speaker 2: She was very aware of her surroundings, so she wasn't 300 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,561 Speaker 2: the sort of person that would go off with someone 301 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,401 Speaker 2: that she didn't know. So there's a high chance that 302 00:19:20,441 --> 00:19:25,481 Speaker 2: Mark Marshall and Joanne knew each other from the football. 303 00:19:25,921 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 7: There is a possibility. 304 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 2: Grant was four when he went missing. As I mentioned Mark, 305 00:19:32,921 --> 00:19:36,281 Speaker 2: who you believe might be Grant Beaumont was born on 306 00:19:36,321 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 2: the twentieth of the ninth, nineteen sixty nine. Have you 307 00:19:40,441 --> 00:19:42,521 Speaker 2: explored any records of his birth. 308 00:19:43,721 --> 00:19:46,801 Speaker 7: No, I haven't been able to do any of that. 309 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 7: I didn't Yeah, I just didn't have access to anything. 310 00:19:50,961 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 7: We ran that theory and we tried to find what 311 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:59,841 Speaker 7: information we could, but there's nothing I could say yes 312 00:20:00,001 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 7: or no about that. 313 00:20:01,681 --> 00:20:04,041 Speaker 2: Are the DNA records of the Beaumont children? Do you know? 314 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,521 Speaker 7: I really don't know. There have to be some DNA. 315 00:20:08,961 --> 00:20:14,241 Speaker 7: Surely they took the DNA from the family at some point. 316 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:16,001 Speaker 2: Surely, Yeah, so that's. 317 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,001 Speaker 7: But then again, but then again, it was a long 318 00:20:18,041 --> 00:20:22,201 Speaker 7: time before DNA was It was really happening, wasn't it. 319 00:20:22,241 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 2: But if there are surviving members of that family, the 320 00:20:24,481 --> 00:20:29,041 Speaker 2: Beaumont family, then you would think that. 321 00:20:27,441 --> 00:20:30,321 Speaker 7: That they could take a sample and compare it. I 322 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 7: did mention this theory to the police. 323 00:20:32,681 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 2: What about Mike Marshall. Has he ever had DNA taken 324 00:20:35,681 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 2: from him? 325 00:20:37,041 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 7: Not that I know of. I dare say he would have, 326 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:44,201 Speaker 7: because when you committed serious crimes, they take DNA swabs 327 00:20:44,201 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 7: off here. That's just part of part of the law. 328 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 7: So then have to be a DNA sample somewhere from him. 329 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,641 Speaker 2: Kirsty Gordon and Joeanne Ratcliffe's disappearance is often overshadowed by 330 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 2: the Beaumont case that happened in nineteen sixty six, where 331 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: three members of the same family went missing from near 332 00:21:04,041 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 2: a Glunel beach. In the case of the Beaumont children, 333 00:21:07,521 --> 00:21:11,401 Speaker 2: it's widely accepted they were abducted. Kirsty and Joanne's case 334 00:21:11,441 --> 00:21:14,241 Speaker 2: is similar. Lots of people saw them on the day 335 00:21:14,281 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 2: they disappeared from Adelaide Oval between the third and fourth 336 00:21:17,681 --> 00:21:20,961 Speaker 2: quarter of football. There were reports of a large, stooped 337 00:21:20,961 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: man carrying Kirsty and dragging the older Joanne across the 338 00:21:24,441 --> 00:21:28,001 Speaker 2: bridge over the river. There were also multiple suspects or 339 00:21:28,041 --> 00:21:32,681 Speaker 2: persons of interests Arthur Brown, a known pedophile and murderer 340 00:21:33,041 --> 00:21:37,001 Speaker 2: who died before ever being convicted, and Mark Marshall's grandfather 341 00:21:37,281 --> 00:21:41,761 Speaker 2: Stanley Hart, who was also a known pedophile. Bear has 342 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,521 Speaker 2: made some big claims. Firstly, the police had knowledge of 343 00:21:45,521 --> 00:21:49,561 Speaker 2: a pedophile ring in Adelaide and that secondly, Mark Marshall 344 00:21:49,681 --> 00:21:55,001 Speaker 2: might actually be one of the Beaumont children. We wanted 345 00:21:55,041 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: to put this to police. Susie has told us that 346 00:21:57,801 --> 00:22:00,961 Speaker 2: police have been helpful across the years, but the case 347 00:22:00,961 --> 00:22:04,321 Speaker 2: has changed hands lots of times. There have been times 348 00:22:04,321 --> 00:22:07,441 Speaker 2: where Susie call police to ask them for an update. 349 00:22:08,281 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: This is not uncommon. Police would receive lots of information 350 00:22:11,681 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: around missing people often and it would be near impossible 351 00:22:15,241 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: to call everyone every time something new comes forward without 352 00:22:19,281 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 2: first investigating it. Susie gave us the name of the 353 00:22:22,921 --> 00:22:26,881 Speaker 2: officer who was now running this investigation. I rang him 354 00:22:27,001 --> 00:22:32,721 Speaker 2: and he took our cold call. It was interesting. As 355 00:22:32,761 --> 00:22:34,961 Speaker 2: I was talking to him some bloke who'd called him 356 00:22:34,961 --> 00:22:37,961 Speaker 2: out of the blue asking him about missing children from 357 00:22:37,961 --> 00:22:42,521 Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies. He was suspicious. He actually quizzed me 358 00:22:42,561 --> 00:22:44,521 Speaker 2: while we're talking, and he checked me out on who 359 00:22:44,561 --> 00:22:47,321 Speaker 2: I was on the police database. As I told him 360 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: my name, he told me in my address and my 361 00:22:49,801 --> 00:22:52,961 Speaker 2: driver's license number. I put to him some of the 362 00:22:53,041 --> 00:22:56,241 Speaker 2: questions that had come up through the podcast. He, as 363 00:22:56,281 --> 00:22:58,721 Speaker 2: you would expect, needed some time to run stuff by 364 00:22:58,801 --> 00:23:04,001 Speaker 2: upper management and said he'd come back to us A 365 00:23:04,041 --> 00:23:06,481 Speaker 2: week later, and after a couple of follow up emails, 366 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:10,001 Speaker 2: we received an email from Police Media in South Australia. 367 00:23:11,201 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 2: They declined to be part of the podcast, at least 368 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 2: from an audio point of view, but did answer some 369 00:23:15,681 --> 00:23:18,281 Speaker 2: of the questions we put to them. My first question 370 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 2: was about something bare and said when we chatted in 371 00:23:20,721 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 2: episode three. The question was why to police at the 372 00:23:24,921 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: time label some of the things been mentioned as a fantasy. 373 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,441 Speaker 2: Their response, we will not provide comment on the veracity 374 00:23:32,481 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: of information provided by individuals, except to say that we 375 00:23:36,001 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 2: assess all information provided and investigate the potential involvement of 376 00:23:40,201 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 2: the nominated persons of interest. I also asked how credible 377 00:23:44,681 --> 00:23:49,001 Speaker 2: the statement of Mark Marshall was. Their answer was the same, 378 00:23:49,761 --> 00:23:52,201 Speaker 2: We will not provide comment on the veracity of information. 379 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,201 Speaker 2: You get the idea. I didn't seem to be getting 380 00:23:55,281 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: much from my line of questioning, so we went to 381 00:23:57,761 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 2: some questions that we thought we knew the answer to. 382 00:24:02,001 --> 00:24:05,961 Speaker 2: The first are Stanley Hart and Arthur Brown, although deceased, 383 00:24:06,441 --> 00:24:10,601 Speaker 2: still persons of interest. Their response, the people named are 384 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,201 Speaker 2: either known pedophiles or accused of being pedophiles, and there 385 00:24:14,241 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: is nothing to suggest any greater likelihood of them being 386 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 2: the offender when compared to the large number of other 387 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,081 Speaker 2: potential offenders. The allegations against stan Hard are very serious, 388 00:24:24,761 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: and some people genuinely believe them to be true. However, 389 00:24:29,001 --> 00:24:31,321 Speaker 2: it pays to remember that just because someone holds a 390 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:36,521 Speaker 2: particular belief, this does not make it true. I had 391 00:24:36,561 --> 00:24:39,081 Speaker 2: a few more questions which I asked in my email. 392 00:24:39,441 --> 00:24:42,801 Speaker 2: Asked about Bear's claims that Mark Marshall might be Grant Beaumont. 393 00:24:43,801 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: They told me there's no evidence to support that theory. 394 00:24:47,201 --> 00:24:50,441 Speaker 2: I also made mention of Bear's claims about a pedophile 395 00:24:50,521 --> 00:24:53,761 Speaker 2: ring that may have been responsible for both the Beaumont 396 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 2: children's abduction and Kirsty and Joanne's disappearance. Again, they told 397 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,321 Speaker 2: me there's no evidence to support this theory. My final 398 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,321 Speaker 2: question in the email was one that I just through 399 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 2: in and I thought I knew the answer to it, 400 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,761 Speaker 2: but it turns out it was the most interesting question 401 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,041 Speaker 2: of all. The question was are there any other persons 402 00:25:15,041 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: of interest that police are still investigating? Is this still 403 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:24,761 Speaker 2: an ongoing investigation? Their response, Even now forty seven years 404 00:25:24,761 --> 00:25:28,801 Speaker 2: since the offense, we continue to have people nominated as suspects. 405 00:25:29,521 --> 00:25:32,561 Speaker 2: These individuals are investigated in an attempt to either show 406 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 2: possible involvement in the offense or to exclude them. The 407 00:25:37,241 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 2: disappearance of children is given the highest priority, and this 408 00:25:40,801 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: case has been subject of an ongoing review. We are 409 00:25:44,001 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 2: committed to investigating any credible leads that arise. There were 410 00:25:48,961 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 2: a few lines that spark my interest in their response, 411 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 2: and in particular they might be still investigating other people 412 00:25:56,521 --> 00:25:59,241 Speaker 2: that are not named as yet. Could police have new 413 00:25:59,321 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 2: suspects or persons of interest that they're currently investigating that 414 00:26:03,761 --> 00:26:06,761 Speaker 2: we don't know about. We thought we'd call Susie to 415 00:26:06,801 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 2: find out if she had an update. 416 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,041 Speaker 10: Hello, sus you speaking Hi. 417 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,521 Speaker 2: Susan it's Jay. Are you going? We had a brief moment, 418 00:26:14,681 --> 00:26:17,241 Speaker 2: small too, and then I launched him to the question 419 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask, did Susie know there could be 420 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,321 Speaker 2: other persons of interests that are currently being investigated? 421 00:26:26,481 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 10: He did mention it when I spoke with him the 422 00:26:28,481 --> 00:26:33,201 Speaker 10: other day. I wasn't aware of it before then, but yeah, 423 00:26:33,201 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 10: he did mention it the other day when I was 424 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 10: talking with him. 425 00:26:37,041 --> 00:26:38,761 Speaker 2: And did he give you any information? 426 00:26:40,281 --> 00:26:44,521 Speaker 10: No, just said that they're investigating somebody else, a couple 427 00:26:44,561 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 10: of other people of interest and that was as far 428 00:26:47,921 --> 00:26:52,521 Speaker 10: as he would tell me. He did mention he had 429 00:26:52,600 --> 00:27:00,801 Speaker 10: spoken a David late last year about it, and Mark said, oh, 430 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 10: do you want me to speak to Suzi about it? 431 00:27:02,521 --> 00:27:05,441 Speaker 10: And Dave said no, I'll speak to them. And then 432 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 10: things went a little bit pear shaped my depression. I 433 00:27:10,801 --> 00:27:13,041 Speaker 10: was struggling with the depression at the time, so day thought, 434 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 10: I don't believe it, But now I'm bringing up a 435 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 10: little bit later. But unfortunately, yeah, other things happened in 436 00:27:21,281 --> 00:27:23,241 Speaker 10: the meantime and we never go I never go a 437 00:27:23,321 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 10: chance to speak to him about it. So Mark did 438 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,001 Speaker 10: say to me that he was going to kind of 439 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,681 Speaker 10: let me know a little bit further down the track 440 00:27:30,761 --> 00:27:34,561 Speaker 10: at this stage, he wasn't going to say stay too much. 441 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 10: They are interested in investigating a couple of other people. 442 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: Any ideas of where those people have come from. Has 443 00:27:41,241 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 2: it been crime stoppers or is it something else? 444 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,921 Speaker 10: I think actually it was stuff that was already in 445 00:27:47,961 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 10: the files, because Marc has said to me right from 446 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 10: the get go that he believed the answers in the files. 447 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 10: And that's what one of the previous detectives told me 448 00:28:02,441 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 10: as well, probably about five six years ago. He told 449 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,441 Speaker 10: me then that he would have ance during the file 450 00:28:09,481 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 10: that he would taken off the case and put on 451 00:28:11,281 --> 00:28:13,281 Speaker 10: for another case, being never got to follow it up. 452 00:28:14,001 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 2: So Susie has the same feeling and has spoken to police, 453 00:28:16,961 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 2: but they haven't given her much information. Susie mentioned that 454 00:28:20,521 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: police had spoken with her brother David last year while 455 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,281 Speaker 2: she was going through some tough times, and some things 456 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: happened between then and now, so she hadn't had a 457 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: chance to talk to her brother David. In fact, the 458 00:28:33,801 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 2: last few years have been tough on Susie, not just 459 00:28:36,721 --> 00:28:39,361 Speaker 2: because of her missing sister, but because it feels like 460 00:28:39,481 --> 00:28:41,161 Speaker 2: she's had a run of bad fortune. 461 00:28:41,161 --> 00:28:44,121 Speaker 8: To say the least of twenty nineteen. Twenty twenty has 462 00:28:44,121 --> 00:28:48,481 Speaker 8: been two years that I'd like to forget. In April, 463 00:28:50,201 --> 00:28:55,721 Speaker 8: I got the news that my brother had passed away. 464 00:28:55,921 --> 00:29:01,281 Speaker 8: He'd had a heart attack and died in the arms 465 00:29:01,321 --> 00:29:09,121 Speaker 8: of his wife, two weeks short or two months short, sorry, 466 00:29:09,241 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 8: of his sixtieth birthday. I mean you instead of you 467 00:29:17,321 --> 00:29:19,961 Speaker 8: never expect the call, or you never you can never 468 00:29:20,001 --> 00:29:24,481 Speaker 8: prepare yourself for anything like this. But last year when 469 00:29:24,641 --> 00:29:27,921 Speaker 8: I lost Mom, I was prepared to a certain point 470 00:29:27,961 --> 00:29:32,161 Speaker 8: because I knew her health was deteriorating. It felt like 471 00:29:33,361 --> 00:29:35,601 Speaker 8: somebody had come up and just ripped the rug right 472 00:29:35,641 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 8: out from beneath my feet and I was falling. It 473 00:29:41,361 --> 00:29:44,521 Speaker 8: was just some unexpected and only spoke with him, you know, 474 00:29:44,681 --> 00:29:49,601 Speaker 8: the previous week, and you know, just joking on the phone, 475 00:29:49,681 --> 00:29:54,361 Speaker 8: and you know, listening to him rambling on about his 476 00:29:54,841 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 8: bloody camper trailer. It was just it was such a 477 00:30:00,761 --> 00:30:07,441 Speaker 8: shock and I just I couldn't grasp grasp but I thought, 478 00:30:07,521 --> 00:30:11,241 Speaker 8: I know someone's playing some stip joke. This is ridiculous, 479 00:30:15,121 --> 00:30:17,761 Speaker 8: and it just at that point I just thought, you know, 480 00:30:20,641 --> 00:30:26,281 Speaker 8: I'm it. I'm the last of the immediate Ratcliffe family, 481 00:30:26,481 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 8: and it just it flawed me to think that, you know, 482 00:30:32,761 --> 00:30:38,761 Speaker 8: we've we've fought so hard for so long, and everything 483 00:30:38,801 --> 00:30:42,041 Speaker 8: that I've been fighting for is it hasn't been worth 484 00:30:42,041 --> 00:30:45,841 Speaker 8: it because I haven't got, you know, my brother or 485 00:30:45,881 --> 00:30:49,161 Speaker 8: my mum to give them the answers that they've longed 486 00:30:49,161 --> 00:30:54,841 Speaker 8: for for so long. So I did hit an extremely 487 00:30:54,921 --> 00:30:55,441 Speaker 8: deep hole. 488 00:30:59,041 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: In the next episode of Little Lost Girls. 489 00:31:02,361 --> 00:31:04,481 Speaker 1: People have told me what her real name is now 490 00:31:04,601 --> 00:31:08,521 Speaker 1: who But I didn't know. I just knew it as Joanne. 491 00:31:08,921 --> 00:31:13,601 Speaker 2: Inside the mind of the depraved Mark Marshall. 492 00:31:13,801 --> 00:31:16,561 Speaker 1: The tunnels was something they used to give you, especially 493 00:31:16,601 --> 00:31:19,401 Speaker 1: the girls, but they gave me one Artie. 494 00:31:19,441 --> 00:31:22,681 Speaker 2: Caroline would do route things with Steven and get Joanne 495 00:31:22,681 --> 00:31:23,841 Speaker 2: to do root things with me. 496 00:31:23,881 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: And the toilets. Yes, we went to the car first 497 00:31:27,521 --> 00:31:30,121 Speaker 1: and then Joeanne come with the other girl. 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