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Speaker 1: Melbourne's sacks premiership coach Simon Goodwin. The swift end triggered

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Speaker 1: by a board declaring its desire for change. How did

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Speaker 1: the Demons lose faith in the man who ended the

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Speaker 1: fifty seven year droughts? And what is the plan going forwards?

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Speaker 1: Club greats and Hall of Famer Gary Lyon with the

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Speaker 1: full fallouts.

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Speaker 2: And Travis Burke calls time on his storied career. An

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Speaker 2: all time great of Port Adelaide joins us ahead of

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Speaker 2: the final games of his nineteen year journey. We've talked

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Speaker 2: about is this step into it, embrace all of it

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Speaker 2: in the room and eat it. It's unedifying for a

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Speaker 2: senior coach to do that. They're on the side of

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Speaker 2: Courtia with the brain, take the man on.

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Speaker 3: They played the best footy I've ever seen at the

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Speaker 3: start of the season, and Andrew said, president left the

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Speaker 3: cup of Older.

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Speaker 2: Said, of course they do. It is the stuff that

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Speaker 2: legends are made of. What is holding the ball? I

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Speaker 2: don't think I could answer it clearly right now that

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Speaker 2: I could do something.

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Speaker 4: Wrong, you know, and I need to get and the

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Speaker 4: board sacks the fans lover and with no fairs, no

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Speaker 4: through sixty your hope.

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Speaker 3: There is a sense of shell shock that accommodates to

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Speaker 3: day like today, Gary Lyon, I'm sure there's members of

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Speaker 3: the Demon's community huddled around to listen, to try to

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Speaker 3: process how they feel about all of this.

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Speaker 2: So welcome you say as part of the therapy to

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Speaker 2: get through it. It's a macarb day. It is when

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Speaker 2: a coach gets sacked, but it puts in place a

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Speaker 2: whole manner of subsequent steps. So as hard as it is,

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Speaker 2: there's things that need to be discussed and thrashed out,

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Speaker 2: and we'll do it today. It's a big news day.

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Speaker 3: How have you dealt with your shock? Incidentally, because you're

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Speaker 3: on air when it landed.

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Speaker 2: I was shocked. It was a tendon I and I

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Speaker 2: got the phone call and then the movement and no,

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Speaker 2: that was a big shock because I had no heads

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Speaker 2: up at all, which is fine, but that's what generally

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Speaker 2: happens in footy unless you're a newsbreaker and you're chasing

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Speaker 2: the story. I was never chasing the story without Simon

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Speaker 2: being sacked, so that was a shock for me.

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Speaker 3: It's the biggest news day on the year. Simon Goodwin departs.

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Speaker 3: The sleeper story has been locking. Neil revealed until the

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Speaker 3: final series with a quad tear. Travis Pokes announced his retirement,

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Speaker 3: which is historically significant. Ray Chamblin's coming out of retirements.

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Speaker 3: Did anybody actually ask him? What did he volunteer? And

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Speaker 3: the Lockey Neil story so torn.

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Speaker 2: Cord, Yeah, on any other day, this is the lead

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Speaker 2: story and we dedicate time to it. I've had a

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Speaker 2: torn quad. It's a six to eight week injury if

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Speaker 2: you do it badly. I don't know. I mean Locke

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Speaker 2: played the game out is my memory. He was at

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Speaker 2: the end, so I don't know whether he's subsequently done

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Speaker 2: it or it was something that emerged. But they're nasty

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Speaker 2: injuries because everything you do goes through your quads, and

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Speaker 2: particularly from a kicking point of view. So that's that's

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Speaker 2: a huge injury.

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Speaker 3: It's a tight timeline and the Lions, as we were

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Speaker 3: talking with Chris Fagan last night, nothing is locked in

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Speaker 2: That is a big injury for he's a pivotal part

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Speaker 3: All right, So here's all we've got lined up. All

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Speaker 3: the fallout from the Simon Goodwin sacking, Travis Boke and

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Speaker 3: Marcus Bontonpelli who's a great admirer of the port Adelaide Stallwards.

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Speaker 3: So they're going to be together for Players night, Ray

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Speaker 3: Chamberlain to run us through in the back and a

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Speaker 3: into all that's transpired behind the scenes Lauren Wood, Corbin

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Speaker 3: Middlemiss and John Relph and then tomorrow night, so of

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Speaker 3: our favorite pairent who are in the news now, John

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Speaker 3: longmarro and Adam Simpson, and Simon is scheduled for his

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Speaker 3: fortnightly appearance here on three point sixty. We'll have the

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Speaker 2: Lot riding on it.

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Speaker 3: But let's get into the agenda and it does belong

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Speaker 3: at Melbourne today after the board took the dramatic step

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Speaker 4: You know, we spent a lot of time blocking out

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Speaker 4: the noise, but it is suffocating. It comes into your

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Speaker 4: life and your human life, even when you don't want

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Speaker 4: it to. You know, we're human beings and as much

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Speaker 4: and have an enormous belief in what you're going after,

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Speaker 4: what your value are, your personal values, and keep going

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Speaker 4: after it even when you're under the ultimate pressure.

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Speaker 3: Did you have any days where you've thought, well, if

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to be supported like this, I'm out.

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Speaker 2: I think there's no doubt you have.

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Speaker 4: You have doubts at times about your role within it,

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Speaker 4: whether you're the right person to continue to do the

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Speaker 4: job that you love doing and that you've been in

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Speaker 4: love this footy club. I love the people and I

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Speaker 4: love everyone involved. And as I said, the darkest times

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Speaker 4: can be your biggest growth.

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Speaker 5: And as at as you have taken Melbourne's leaders under

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Speaker 5: the blow torch, all weaken Over spawned in the first

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Speaker 2: Simon's been here for nine years.

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Speaker 6: Simon wouldn't be happy where the results have gone the

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Speaker 6: last couple of years. We're all not happy where we are.

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Speaker 6: We're always looking to get better. But it's unfortunate that

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Speaker 6: how to due respect, Simon's trivir coach.

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Speaker 2: He had the energy, he had the fight.

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Speaker 6: You know, we're constantly communicating about that, and we just

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Speaker 4: I was disappointed, is no doubt about that. But I

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Speaker 4: certainly respect the boys decision. That's their right to make

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Speaker 4: that decision. I'm disappointed because I think we're a hell

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Speaker 2: Many people never thought Miss Day would play for.

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Speaker 3: This is plus will be the best seven eight minutes

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Speaker 4: Can I just say, I just want to thank the supporters,

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Speaker 2: It's been a real ride.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to the next challenge and just thank

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Speaker 3: Som Goodwin's nine years at Melbourne have come to an

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Speaker 3: End's just ahead of the dissection and the ANALYSISCA. Let's

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Speaker 3: just take a moment to pause. He's an immense figure

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying this stuff in the background here.

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Speaker 2: I will ever connection with him forever. That's one of

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Speaker 2: the greatest days of my life from a football perspective,

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Speaker 2: and it's the club that I've loved for a long

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Speaker 2: rare air. He's a hero of this football club and

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Speaker 2: we'll be forever to day. And if Melbourne supporters haven't

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Speaker 2: and the players were able to do on this day,

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Speaker 2: then they should. And I know it hasn't ended in

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Speaker 2: greatest days ever. Fifty seven years in the making, that was.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what. I've been here since nineteen

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Speaker 3: And they built a great premiership, didn't they. There's one

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Speaker 2: It was and those boys will be heroes forever. And

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Speaker 2: I was driving around today with the radio they switched

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Speaker 2: This was I know we'd all loved it to have

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Speaker 3: Last night's decision. So it's a board that's through Brad

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Speaker 3: Green and it's presidence has expressed its desire for change.

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Speaker 3: They clearly lost faith that Simon could and Woods be

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Speaker 2: Not today? But press conferences are difficult. I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: got Brad just kept getting asks and he kept saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: we need a new voice now. There's obviously got to

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Speaker 2: be great at nuance and the level of detail about

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Speaker 2: why love why the board, the Melbourne Footy Club board

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Speaker 2: have reached the decision that Simon Goodman is not to

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Speaker 2: I suspect there is in their own mind. So like Simon,

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Speaker 2: you respect the decision. It's a tough decision that wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be easy for Brad Greens, a former captain of this

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Speaker 2: a justifiable decision? Yeah, I think they can justify it

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Speaker 2: and saying this is He's been there nine years, he's

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Speaker 2: had a good run at it, He's delivered the ultimate.

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Speaker 2: I would hope and hope that he coached the year

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Speaker 2: but let's coach for your life. But it's not to be.

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Speaker 2: And Simon was class I thought he was a classy performer.

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Speaker 2: This is where you hope that you've got a great board, Jared.

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Speaker 2: This is when in football Clayer and as a supporter.

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Speaker 3: So there's the two years of straight set exits and

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any doubt about that. It has

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Speaker 3: Yes, And this is where this year's scenario plays a role.

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Speaker 3: This is a football club that's lived in avoid this

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Speaker 3: The next president is not in the job, and the

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Speaker 3: There's no elite program in the world that has those

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Speaker 3: don't get that disconnect if you're in constant contact with

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Speaker 3: I think I think it undermined his capacity to do

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Speaker 2: I think that's a really good point. And as a

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Speaker 2: I think that's another part of what we discussed today.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure whether they've embraced it. When they won

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Speaker 3: So if the coach had come to the conclusion that

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Speaker 2: He had the support of the board.

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Speaker 3: I suspect he knew that last Monday after that board meeting.

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Speaker 2: That's screaming out for figurehead, a strong, strong, decisive leader

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Speaker 3: The biggest question that sits over them now is has

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one is magnificently won. They start twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: the unfortunate injury suffered by Christian Petrarca and the club's

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Speaker 3: So they finished top two, the top four the next

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the next year after the Grand final. That the

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Speaker 3: That, and so how much of that sets with the club?

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Speaker 2: So if they don't, then they'll wallow in the mediocrity

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Speaker 3: So what to do next? And this is specific to

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Speaker 3: whether they're equiped to a form that view or not.

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Speaker 2: In your mind, everything would have to go absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: It's a big decision. It makes me wonder who's making it.

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Speaker 3: Are you holding the core of it together or are

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Speaker 3: you breaking it up? Are you imposing it on a

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Speaker 3: new coach or you're asking a new coach to come

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Speaker 3: in and make those decisions? What do they need in

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Speaker 3: a new coach?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you rule anything in or out.

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Speaker 2: I know it's a wishy washy answered, but no one

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Speaker 2: can sit here and say they need a fresh coach

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Speaker 2: who's never coached before, who's going to come in, Or

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Speaker 2: they need a premiership coach been to the well. All

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Speaker 2: of those would be on the table. And I don't

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Speaker 2: think you know if you if you're really in or out,

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Speaker 2: you miss out on Fagan, you miss out on the

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Speaker 2: first year McCrae, or you miss out on someone having

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Speaker 2: a second go at it. So it's a tough one.

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Speaker 2: It's a really hard one. And so then you've got

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Speaker 2: to have faith in the club to choose choose wisely,

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Speaker 2: and there's no guarantee Jared. That's that's the tricky part.

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Speaker 2: You're going to get your CEO with his feet under

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Speaker 2: the desk. Yep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Will Faulkner has written a piece for Fox

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Speaker 3: Sports tonight. He says John Longmire is the top of

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Speaker 3: Melbourne's list. That there's an inescapable logic to that.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that there is? You can What I'm not involved

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Speaker 2: in is selling these things to supporters and sponsors, Jared.

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Speaker 2: You just want the best man. Fortunately, you can sell horse.

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Speaker 2: You can sell horse to anyone. We'll be here tomorrow night. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you'll know that the questions coming. So if he's

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Speaker 2: got any inkling at all, then I would imagine the

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Speaker 2: call will be made if it hasn't already.

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Speaker 3: So the spectrum is quite interesting. Do you hunt one

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Speaker 3: or do you take it to the process. And so

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Speaker 3: you've got Cam Bruce who's sitting there at the Brisbane

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Speaker 3: lines with a wealth of experience and his heart belongs

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Speaker 3: to Melbourne from a former days. Do you want Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's the whole spectrum. Or are you going we're gonna

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Speaker 3: get him?

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Speaker 2: You've been involved in the media for a long time. Jude,

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Speaker 2: I get you, and I get five others from different

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Speaker 2: medias and say let's let's pick a name. Then you

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Speaker 2: can have him at the front of the queue boy

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Speaker 2: Thursday Night, with no justification at all. It's just who

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Speaker 2: who you want to make the flavor of the month,

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Speaker 2: John Lomoy, don't have to worry about that. No, he's

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Speaker 2: got runs on the board.

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Speaker 3: Tonight's list is never right unless the club chooses to

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Speaker 3: go and target one person rather than which is the

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Speaker 3: experience with Damian Huntwick.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so then you say, Okay, maybe that's the reason

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Speaker 2: they went early, because they want to shop early, because

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Speaker 2: they maybe have some money in mine. I didn't know

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Speaker 2: he's get in sack, so I sure as hell don't

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Speaker 2: know the answer to that. Cathartic cleansed all right.

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Speaker 3: The other big story of the day is Travis spokes

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Speaker 3: for atirement ad Port Adelaide, which is historically significant number

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Speaker 3: seven on the all time list, behind only the four

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Speaker 3: hundred game. As Marcus Continpelli is an unabashed fan, He's

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Speaker 3: with us on Players Night, Trap joins us from Adelaide,

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Speaker 3: contemplating his last few games.

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Speaker 4: So