1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gadigel 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: people of the Eura Nation. Hello, and welcome to the 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Real Story with Joe hild about it. I just can't 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: keep it anymore. I'm so excited. I know absolutely everything 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: that's coming on in the election camp, and I'm going 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: to tell you all there is to know, absolutely everything 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: the box and dice, even who won, which I've already 8 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: told you and it's now even more true. So let's 9 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: just get right into it. Okay, now that I've taken 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: a deep breath and switched to decaf, this has been 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: the most extraordinary election campaign I think I have ever seen, 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: let alone been a part of this. After what was 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: arguably the most boring week in human history, which thank 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: god Albow took a stage dive because it was the 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: only interesting thing to happen in Week one, has suddenly 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: turned into this incredible cacophony, this rollercoaster ride of events. 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about Peter Dutton kicking a 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: football into the head of a cameraman. Never before, I 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: don't think have I seen either major party, basically, right 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: smack bang in the middle of an election campaign just 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: dump their key policy, just actually no, sorry pause. In fact, 22 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: we're going to do the opposite. I've never seen that. 23 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: If you have, let me know, please drop me a line. 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: But that is something that just does not happen, and 25 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: when it does happen, you can be pretty sure that 26 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: it is terminal for the party that's doing it, because, 27 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: of course, the humiliation of publicly backflipping on a major 28 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: central policy, and we'll get into that very shortly, is 29 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: so great that the only thing greater in terms of 30 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: sheer seismic damage must have been the policy itself. So 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: they've basically chosen to sort of wipe themselves out ninety 32 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: percent because they were about to wipe themselves out one 33 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: hundred percent. And again I do not know how it 34 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: even got to that stage. So we are talking of 35 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: course about the work from Home policy that the Coalition introduced, 36 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: and again this was meant to be a policy that 37 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: only applied to Canberra public servants, but they were so 38 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: poor at controlling the bandwidth of information, so poor at 39 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: spelling it out really really clearly and defining the terms, 40 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: and so poor at explaining why this was happening in 41 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: Canberra among public servants, but wouldn't be happening everywhere else. 42 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: The people thought he's coming after all of us. He's 43 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: going to ban all of us from working from home. 44 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: And I love working from home, and of course, in 45 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: typical Dutton star God love him and I'm done. I 46 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: know there are a lot of Dutton supporters out there 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: who listen to this podcast. I'm not bashing him up. 48 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm just breaking down where it all went wrong. They 49 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: weren't able to explain why it had to be just 50 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: for Canbra public servants and why everyone else was safe. 51 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: And even if you're attacking Canbra publics events for working 52 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: from home, it's kind of like you're attacking everyone works 53 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: from home because you're saying, well, they're obviously skiving off, 54 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: they're not really doing anything. They need to get back 55 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: of the office where they're working. And so everyone things, well, 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: hang on a minute, I work from home. I'm not 57 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: scribing off. You calling me lazy, That's what it sounded like. 58 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: And again they've got confusion to a debate about not 59 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: even just all workers, but all public servants. And so 60 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: you had people thinking, hang on, is it going to 61 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: affect me because I'm a public servant, even though I 62 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: might work for the state government, and it got confused 63 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: by the media in the extra jobs in the public service, 64 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: because the public sector workforce is the one that's really 65 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: growing and driving employment. But that's not bureaucrats in Canberra 66 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: for the most part. That's things like age care workers, nurses, doctors, cops, soldiers. 67 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: Apparently the working from home edict that Peter Dutton release 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: was causing disquiet in the seat of Herbert around Townsville, 69 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: where the big military base is. Peter Dutton, the champion 70 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: of national security, going after the soldiers, the armed forces, 71 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: That's what they felt. That's how badly the messaging on 72 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: this was managed. And it's the same with the cuts 73 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: to forty thousand public servants across the board now again 74 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: but they didn't even say which forty thousand public servants 75 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: they were going to cut. So you've got nearly two 76 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: hundred thousand public servants. I think there's about one hundred 77 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: and eighty something that worked for the APS, the Australian 78 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: Public Service. They were going am I next, So instead 79 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: of losing forty thousand votes, were probably not going to 80 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: vote for you anyway. You know, just give some examples. 81 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: Diversity and Inclusion and Equity manager he's probably gone, so 82 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: they are probably got, you know, hold up. Some examiners, 83 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: people in the Labor Party I speak to, were flabbergasted 84 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: that he didn't even have examples of the kind of 85 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: roles that he was going to get rid of. Instead, 86 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: it was just could be you, could be you. It's 87 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: like squid game, And of course everyone's terrified, and so 88 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: that all the public servants and again granted, ninety percent 89 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: of the public service was probably going to vote against 90 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: Dutton anyway. There's a reason why the act is greener 91 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,799 Speaker 1: than the Amazon rainforest. But still it makes it feel 92 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: like he was going after everybody, both in terms of 93 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: the working from home and both in terms of the 94 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: job cuts. And so then he comes out and actually, sorry, 95 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: scratch that, we're going to do a complete backflip on 96 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: that complete reverse ferret. We don't actually think that, we 97 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: don't actually believe that. Sorry for scaring you like that, 98 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: and no, we're not going to do it. We're going 99 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: to do the upset. Everything's fine. How does that happen? 100 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: How does a policy get to that point? How does 101 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: you know they blame labor for running a scare campaign? 102 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: How do they not anticipate the scare campaign. Why weren't 103 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: they disciplined enough to say exactly what was going to 104 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: have and have the detail to prove that other people 105 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't be affected, or that it was just going to 106 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: there would be a carve out for parents, for example. 107 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: So oh no, this doesn't apply to parents, any of 108 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: your school needs, any of your kids needs, You'll still 109 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,119 Speaker 1: be able to do it. And again, why go whole hog? 110 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: Why god, this is why Chris Minn's got away. They 111 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: just said, just come back to the office most of 112 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: the time, not all the time, just most of the time. 113 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: And where is the outcry at the Men's Labor government 114 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: in New South Wales doing the exact same thing pretty 115 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: much but not quite that Peter Dutton was trying to do. 116 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: There was about one day and that was it. There 117 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: are a few bureaucrats who sent around a few crazy emails, 118 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: and sure a couple had a couple of mental health days, 119 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: but apart from that was all fine because it was moderate. 120 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: It was done with the consulting with the department. So 121 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: he said, look, if you still need to do this, 122 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: we'll work with you. That's okay, don't worry about it. 123 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: It's all fine, And it completely blew over because there 124 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: was no control, because it was more absolute, more kind 125 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,119 Speaker 1: of extreme, more typically kind of you know, again, Dunton, 126 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: this is his brand and that was working for him 127 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: for a while. But you know, you know, tough, you know, hardline, relatable, understandable. No, 128 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: they've got to get back to the office five days 129 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: a week. And that's what I stand for because I 130 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: believe in hard work and I'm ben't And it just 131 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: has blown up in his face. It's a great time, 132 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: I have to say. And I knew my time would come. 133 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: It's a great time to be a boring, moderate, pragmatic 134 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: centrist anyway. So that is the first thing that happen 135 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: in this campaign, and I've just never seen the likes 136 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: of it. And this came after after the government had 137 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: gone up to fifty two percent two party preferred, the 138 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: ALP fifty two percent, two party preferred to the coalitions 139 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: forty eight percent. In not one but two poles, and 140 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: the two most I think trustworthy, reliable, respectable poles that's 141 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: news poll of course, and Redbridge, which is the Cos 142 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: Samaras pole that everyone is just talking about, the Polster 143 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: d Juur, I call it so right now. So Albo 144 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: has gone from almost unbackable to form majority government just 145 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, and it's now looking like the 146 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: government might actually pick up seats, could even maybe steal 147 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: some seats from the coalition. That's what they're thinking. And 148 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: I can tell you they reckon they're stealing some seats 149 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: from the Greens. I mentioned this before. Now I had 150 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: heard that the Libs would probably get Ryan off the Greens. 151 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: They've got three seats in Brisbane, Ryan, Brisbane itself and Griffith, 152 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: which is Kevin Rudd's old seat which went from Labor 153 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: to the Greens at the last election. That's just mean, 154 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: that's just mean behavior anyway, and the Greens pick up Ryan, 155 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: the Greens pick up Brisbane from when Labour thought they 156 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: were going to win it, and the Greens pick up 157 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: Griffith from Labor. Now the Libs reckon they're going to 158 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: win back Ryan. Labor reckons it's going to win back Brisbane. 159 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: But everyone's kind of thought the Greens would hold on 160 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: to Griffith. Well, cut to last week and guess who's 161 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: in Griffith. One Anthony Albanese, Prime Minister of Australia, Leader 162 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: of Australian Labor. But he's holding a rally of the 163 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: Labor faithful. He's pulling out all the zingers. He's saying 164 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: that Peter Dutton is a closet Sydney Sider because he 165 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: wants to live in Kiribilly House. And I'm told that 166 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: they reckon they're actually going to win Griffith. They reckon 167 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: they're really going to win Griffith, and you think that 168 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: is shocking. I have also been told that they reckon. 169 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: There's a pretty good chance that Labour could win the 170 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: seat of Dixon also in Queensland, and you know who 171 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: the local member for Dixon is, Peter Dutton. And now 172 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: to the big story of the week, which is of 173 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: course the giant global meltdown of the entire worldwide economy. 174 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: Just kidding. It was the leader's debate because I was 175 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: there and it was really exciting and this is what 176 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: gets my political antennages. So we were there at when 177 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: he Leagues Club, right in the heart of Western Sydney, 178 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: Anthony Albanezi and Peter Dutton in the first ever leader's 179 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: debate of this election campaign. Now this took the form 180 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: of a Sky News People's forum and it's slightly different 181 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,479 Speaker 1: to a conventional debate because instead of having a moderator 182 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: and a panel of experts quote unquote who ask all 183 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: the questions, it's one hundred chosen undecided voters that chosen 184 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: and waited to try to represent the community. And they 185 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: all are supposed to be undecided. Of course, by says 186 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: how in a minute, that person's not undersirned. It's been 187 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: like the Q and a audience, you know, undecided eighty 188 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: percent vote Green. But no, that was pretty balanced, it 189 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: seemed to me. And a great night. And they get 190 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: to ask all the leaders all any questions they want 191 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: and there's no heads up. No one knows what's coming. Now. 192 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: This makes it really really hard for either leader to 193 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: prep for because instead of just knowing what the usual 194 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: sort of questions are going to be, or like the 195 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: gotcha questions like how much is a loaf of bread? 196 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: Or how much is a leader of petrol? Or what's 197 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: the interest rate? Stuff that's tripped up leaders throughout the ages, 198 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: and John Howard is said to have had answers to 199 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: all those questions on a piece of paper in his 200 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: pocket all times in case he was ever surprised by them. 201 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: But this time it's from the audience, so they can 202 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: ask anything, how come you know, I called a plumber 203 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: last week to fix my leaking tap and they still 204 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: haven't rocked up. So these guys are often incredibly specific. Well. 205 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: One example is a guy who's whose kid was at 206 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: university and he was worried that having fewer foreign students 207 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: at that university would create a funding shortfall that meant 208 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: that his kid wouldn't have as higher quality education. I 209 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: must admit I've never heard that problem raised before, and 210 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: it raised a few eyebrows amongst some of my more 211 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: conservative friends. But there you go. So you never know 212 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: where someone is going to be coming from. The most 213 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: important thing about these debates is that they are one 214 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: and lost in the room, because those one hundred people 215 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: then go off, they cast their vote to leader who 216 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: they thought won the night, and then that is what 217 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: is reported the next day. So even though they are 218 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: broadcast on television and many many more people are watching 219 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: them on TV or online at home, the only people 220 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: that really matter to the result of the debate is 221 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: those people in the room, and so the number one 222 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: thing that both leaders have to do is connect with 223 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: those people and make those people feel like they are 224 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: being listened to. What they are worried about is being addressed. 225 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: And that is actually something that's very different from a 226 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: normal debate where you're on a podium behind a dais 227 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: and you're trying to lay out your vision for the 228 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: country and you're trying to be bold and far sighted 229 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: or passionate or strong on whatever that is. None of 230 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: that really matters as much in one of these rooms. 231 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: It's quite intimate, and again, the only people you are 232 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: trying to convince, the only people whose vote matters on 233 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: that night, are those one hundred people just a few 234 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: feet a few meters away in front of you. And 235 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: this is where Anthony Albanezi really had the edge over 236 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: Peter Dutton. He came in early and sort of laid 237 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: out his picture for where the country was at and 238 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: where it was going to go, all perfectly good. He 239 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: rattled off that many numbers. I think he was anxious 240 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: just to prove that he knew things like the unemployment 241 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: rate and the interest rate because he got caught out 242 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: in the last election campaign, so he just got all 243 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: the numbers out of his system. And I was thinking, oh, 244 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: come on, you've got to get him lean in a 245 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: bit more mate a little bit more, and he did, 246 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: and he got a couple of good questions for him 247 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: early on, so again luck of the drawer. But he 248 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: had a question from a teacher about public education, and 249 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: had a question from an old mate about his son 250 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: at university, worried about their not being enough international students 251 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: novel take on the issue, and Alba was playing a 252 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: home game and was able to engage with people. He 253 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: talked directly to them, you know, use their name. Peter Dunton, 254 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: on the other hand, was you know it should have 255 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: been it should have been more a vibe for him. 256 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: It was very sad. His father had a heart attack 257 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: just before it was revealed, just minutes before the debate 258 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: was about to start. So I don't know if he 259 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: was a bit rattled by that. You would think he 260 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: would be. And so that's awful, an awful way to 261 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: have to come and begin, you know, getting on your 262 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: fron foot when you're worried about someone you love so much. 263 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: So very very sad, But he did really well, made 264 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: it relatable. Early on, instead of talking about the headline inflation, 265 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: he was talking about the price at the supermarket checkout 266 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,599 Speaker 1: that families are facing. And again that's the sort of 267 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: stuff that really cuts through in these intimate and personal environments. 268 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: But he also accused the PM of lying or being 269 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: dishonest or whatever, shock horror, politicians dishonest an election campaign, 270 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: which he may well have been I'm not going to 271 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: judge on that, but ends up sort of dragging the 272 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: PM and therefore dragging the kind of debate into a 273 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: back and forth over, for example, whether or not a 274 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: coalition cut health funding when he was a health minister. 275 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: And he's saying, well, you can check the budget papers. 276 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: You can check the budget papers. No one's checking the 277 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: budget papers. No, not one. I can absolutely guarantee you 278 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: London to a brick. Not one of those one hundred 279 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: people went back and looked at the budget papers. The 280 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: only way you get people, normal people to look at 281 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: the budget papers is if you lock them up for 282 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: seven hours, which is precisely why the government does it 283 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: every year. So it just sort of got trapped in 284 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: the weeds a bit had a great gotcha moment and 285 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: this is again, this would have gone really well on 286 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: TV and why a lot of people I think watching 287 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: home to oh you know, Dunton might have won this 288 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: or it was a drawer. It was very close when 289 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: he asked a woman who was worried about healthcare cost 290 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: if she had to pull out her credit card as 291 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: well as her Medicare card when she went to the doctor. 292 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: Because of course that's that their response to Albo constantly 293 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: pulling out his Medicare card and saying you should only 294 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: have to use your Medicare card, not your credit card. 295 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: It turns out this woman did have to pay when 296 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: going to the doctor. And even though that's a problem 297 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: that Albo says he's going to fix the fact that 298 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: this is happening on his watch when he's PM I 299 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: think a lot of people felt was a good win 300 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: by Dutton and also showed Dutton be nimble, taking a chance, 301 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: thinking there's an opportunity here. And he went back and 302 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: asked that woman. After it was everyone thought the sort 303 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: of discussion was going to move on, he said, hey, 304 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: just wait one second, can I ask you a question 305 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: when you go to the doctors, do you have to 306 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: pull out your credit card? And the answer was no. 307 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: He was all right, just checking, thank you very much, 308 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: meaning right along. But he did it and he got 309 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: the win, and that's what we need to see more of. 310 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: But still Anthony Albanezi was there able to turn things around. 311 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: And an older lady was clearly very against foreigners and 312 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: people on temporary visas buying houses in Australia, as a 313 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: lot of people are, and both parties are putting limits 314 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: on that. She was backing in Peter Dutton on that, 315 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: and she wanted him to go even further, and so 316 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: why aren't you going ever further? And Dunton explained why 317 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: for new builds it wasn't appropriate, et cetera, et cetera, 318 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: et cetera. So this is absolute home to her for him, 319 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: and she's already you can tell a card carrying supporter 320 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: for him, or maybe even someone to the right of him. 321 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: And then it goes to Anthony Albanesi to address this 322 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: woman's concerns. And what does he do. He asks her 323 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: if she's got any grandkids. Next thing, you know, she's smiling, 324 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: She's talking about her grandkids, how much she loves them. 325 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: That has absolutely no political or policy merit whatsoever. To 326 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: people at home. It would have meant absolutely nothing. But 327 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: I saw that exchange. I watched it for just a 328 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: few meters away, and I thought he's won. He's just won. 329 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: The debate and he's won the night, and that is 330 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: how you do it. And I was so confident that 331 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: I'd actually written my entire analysis of it and declared 332 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: Albanesi the winner before the results even came through. And 333 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: that was all I'd written. There was no other, no 334 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: plan B. And sure enough the results did come through 335 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: very shortly afterwards, and it was Peter Dutton thirty five, 336 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: Anthony Alberzi forty four, and another twenty one voters who 337 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: were undecided. And that means two very important things. I 338 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: was right all along. And you have to keep listening 339 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: to the podcast because there's heaps undersided voters and we 340 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: still don't know what might happen. Well, as mentioned, it's 341 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: been a pretty tough week and a half for Peter Dutton, 342 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: So what does he need to do to turn it around? 343 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: How can he turn it around? And can he turn 344 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: it around? Well? To get the answer to all these 345 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: questions more, we thought we'd go to someone who, much 346 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: as I am known as the Elbow Whisper, is sometimes 347 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: known as the Dutton Whisper. He's none of them. Paul Murray, 348 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: the host of Paul Murray Live on Sky News, and 349 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: he joins me on the line right now, get a 350 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 1: my friend, What does Dutton need to do? 351 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 2: Look, he needs to sharpen the attack. But I also 352 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 2: think that the point of opposition is that, to be honest, 353 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 2: you should have made your attack for the past two 354 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: and a big years now. They had followed that plan, 355 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 2: They had done that. One month ago they were head 356 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: in the polls, which meant the transition now is into 357 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 2: the what's on the table, what's on the offering? What's 358 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: going to be different? The X factor is, you know, 359 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 2: frankly Trump has changed everything in the past four weeks 360 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: and then there's the policy black flips on work from home, 361 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 2: all the rest of it. But I think if you're 362 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 2: looking for, you know, in ten years time, when we're 363 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: talking about the twenty twenty five election, it's going to 364 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: be how did the bloke who had a sixty percent 365 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 2: negative rating end up in front with a month ago 366 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: the answers Trump. So in terms of the what Dutton 367 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 2: has to do is I think that he's got to 368 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 2: get a little bit out of his own head about 369 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: trying to be in four places in four things. And 370 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: that's part of the psychological game that labor and parts 371 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: of the media have played pretty well, which is, oh, 372 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: you know he is he playing too much Trump? Not 373 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: enough Trump? Is it about Trump? It's not about Trump. 374 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: What's he cutting? What's he aiding? All the rest of it? 375 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: Just come up with two things. What's the main line 376 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: of attack? What's the main line of selling his thing? 377 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 2: Regardless of what question he gets asked. 378 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: It's a really good point. I mean, part of it, 379 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: as you say, is kind of just bad luck. Donald 380 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: Trump was a really good kind of brand for conservatives 381 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: just a couple of months ago. Now, with all the 382 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: tariffs and the stuff with Ukraine, he's much more toxic 383 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: but better. Dutton has already kind of hitched his wagon 384 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: to him and can't afford to go too far in 385 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: the other direction without alienating some of his base. So 386 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: you say you need to sort of just get out there, 387 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: really stake his claim, map out the battleground, and then 388 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: take a clip position. What should those position kind of be? 389 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: I mean, how does the I mean? The problem is 390 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: he's got a thread and needle, doesn't he between being 391 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: a sort of hard, strong values driven politician but also 392 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: not being seen as too much of an attack dog 393 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: or too scary or too aggressive. 394 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I don't know how many people it is, 395 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: whether it's a few hundred thousand or whether it's a 396 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: few million, but there are people who when they make 397 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 2: decisions about politics, you know they're shopping on price. Frankly, 398 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: this is why Elbow in all of the ads lists 399 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of stuff that he's done. Now, anyone 400 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: who's actually paying attention to the detail, we can all 401 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 2: argue about how much, how little that's a rebrand, that's 402 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 2: a respin, But the whole point is the ad is 403 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: making it seem like, you know, it's a carpet warehouse, 404 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 2: and look at all of this stuff we've got. I 405 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: think that dun't had an opportunity in budget and reply 406 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: has got a great start with the fuel tax thing. 407 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: Harving the fuel tax further, I'd bring back the load 408 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 2: of middle income tax offset, which was an automatic fifteen 409 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 2: hundred dollars tax return to ten million workers. It was 410 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 2: taken away by labor after the last election. That money 411 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 2: was then redistributed into many of the things that they 412 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 2: have have quote unquote given back over the past three years. 413 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: I think then you get to go to market and 414 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: say five dollars and fifteen months or fifteen hundred dollars 415 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: first of July. That's the first thing I do. Second 416 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 2: thing I do is I believe in a policy, and 417 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 2: it's not necessarily about Peter up and twenty twenty five. 418 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 2: It's about just a philosophical position that I think that 419 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 2: there should be in the same way there's the instant 420 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: asset right off for business up to thirty thousand dollars 421 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: right the same should be for households. Now, obviously you 422 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: know you're hemme it in, so it's you know, the 423 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 2: upper limit is not rich people. The lower limit is 424 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: not impossible for normal people to attain. But you're able 425 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: to then say politically, look, I think you know how 426 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: to spend your money better than I know how to 427 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 2: spend your money. So fifteen hundred dollars off your tax 428 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: for you, if you went and bought a fridge in 429 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: the past twelve months, write it off against your tax. 430 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 2: It means that you then, in a raw political sense, 431 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: it means you can walk into multiple constituencies and use 432 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 2: that policy. So say, if you're going to a bunch 433 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: of renters, you could say, hey, guys, you know if 434 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 2: you pull you get money together and you have a 435 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: portable air conditioner. You can write that off on your tax. 436 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 2: If somebody is trying to escape a difficult home. If 437 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 2: you want to buy a lounge, you can write that 438 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: off against your tax. If you're talking again to an 439 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 2: elderly couple who might want to upgrade the washing machine, 440 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: and so on and so on. So I think that 441 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: those are the very positive offerings. Now many people will 442 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: center and say how do you pay for it? My 443 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: answer is, does anyone care? 444 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: I think you might be right about that too. I 445 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: think that the surplus has disappeared so far off the agenda, 446 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: over the horizon that basically it's just you know, I 447 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: mean a trillion. I don't think people can even conceive 448 00:22:59,560 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: of that. Nuh. 449 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 2: Now, well, I many budget deficits, and this is what 450 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: I love, right, And this is what I love about 451 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 2: your mate, Jim Chalmers. Right, Jim Chalmers is out and 452 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: about saying everything that happens in the next four years 453 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: is because of Donald Trump. Well, i'll give you the tip. 454 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 2: In twenty and twenty three, on the twenty fourth or 455 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: fourteenth of August, that's when the thing called the Intergenerational 456 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: Report came out, modeled by the same people who do 457 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: the budget released by Jim Chalmers. It said that Australia 458 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: was going to be in budget deficits all the way 459 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: through the twenty twenties, the twenty thirties to twenty forties 460 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: to twenty fifties, all the way through the twenty sixties. 461 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: Do you know where Donald Trump was on the day 462 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 2: that report was released, the one that showed how screwed 463 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: we are for the next forty years. He was getting 464 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: his mug shot patent in Georgia. So if you want 465 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 2: to say that the nuts ruined for us a Trump, 466 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: tell me how that's the case when you've already told 467 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: us how screwed we were when he was a chance 468 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 2: of spending the rest of his life in jail. 469 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: There, you guys, that is very strong play, my friend. 470 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: Of course, it's all the fault of the war in Ukraine. 471 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: Paul Murray's Yes, the one that had started I got 472 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: the talking points right here. 473 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, the one that had started before the last election, 474 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 2: when the two seventy five was a load of rubbish. 475 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, in that case, I blame the Greens for Mara. 476 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: It's an absolute pleasure to talk to you, as always, 477 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: my friend. 478 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 2: Take care, Yeah, absolutely, Look, I'll say this about the 479 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: upcoming election. Surprise surprise is history happens, which is first 480 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 2: term governments get re elected. The X factor of this 481 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 2: election is, unlike previous governments, Albow doesn't have a backbench 482 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: to burn, so the conversation is pretty extraordinary if he 483 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 2: can get anywhere near a majority, but most likely a 484 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 2: pretty ugly minority. The idea of the Liberals winning, though 485 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: it seems that that has gone in the past month. 486 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: Well, you are nothing if not a very realistic man 487 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: and a great political brain, Paul Murray, Thanks so much, mate, 488 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure. 489 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: Love you brother. 490 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: Well that is all we have time for this week. 491 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed it. Anything you want to know 492 00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: about the election, you just tell me. I've got it 493 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: all for you. We'll come back again. I'll tell you 494 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: everything that's happened in the next week as well. 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