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Speaker 1: Tiffany Cook, Gray Yamba, It's Jumper, It's Fatty Harps over

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Speaker 1: here at Fatty Harp Central.

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Speaker 2: How are you, oh mate?

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Speaker 3: Now that I can see you wearing those earphones today,

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Speaker 3: I am so happy.

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Speaker 1: I know you're like a pig and shit over there

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Speaker 1: at Bloody TIFFs Central because I'm wearing the I'm wearing

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Speaker 1: my headphones that you told me to wear because otherwise

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Speaker 1: I get too far off Mike, and I do this

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Speaker 1: and it sounds terrible because my voice goes quiet, and

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Speaker 1: then I come back on and then you can hear me.

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Speaker 1: And you people who edit the show call me a

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Speaker 1: dickhead and other bad names, and so here I am.

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Speaker 2: Now that's a fib Tell everyone that you're phibbing.

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Speaker 1: Actually, you know the problem with this is I can't

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Speaker 1: actually hear myself in these earphones, but anyway can try.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you've got the other I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm just this is terrible. Don't have it one two.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't hear me in there, but

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Speaker 1: anyway you can hear me. Yeah, I got a fucking

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Speaker 1: clumsy start to You would think that this was episode two,

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Speaker 1: not episode nearly two.

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Speaker 2: Thousand, but we just each time getting better and better.

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Speaker 1: Are we are? We? We don't. Sometimes I listen. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I listen to myself, like I'm you know, somebody will

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Speaker 1: or they didn't like it, or usually it's that they

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Speaker 1: liked it, and I'm like, oh, and then I have

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Speaker 1: a listener, I'm like, ah, fuck, that's terrible. I still don't.

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Speaker 1: I still don't like listening to myself. The only reason

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Speaker 1: I will is just to basically critique whether or not

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Speaker 1: it as a show, or whether or not you know,

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Speaker 1: what I can do better and what I'm doing that

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Speaker 1: needs to change or more of or less of? Do

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Speaker 1: you listen to anything?

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Speaker 3: The other day I noticed that, Like I hear myself

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Speaker 3: all the time on my show, on your show all

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Speaker 3: the time. But when I hear myself on a show

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Speaker 3: I've done on somebody else's show, yeah, it's like it's

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Speaker 3: like watching an Australian movie on TV going oh we

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Speaker 3: And it's likely I don't know why I noticed it

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Speaker 3: on other people's shows are not mine. There's like some

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Speaker 3: switch in my brain that goes, oh, this is the

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Speaker 3: guest and it's you, and she's a massive bogan.

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Speaker 2: Hmmmmmm embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: Well I don't. I don't think you sound like a bogan.

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Speaker 1: But you have a definitive Australian sounding voice, which I like,

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Speaker 1: It's funny because it's not bogany and it's not unsophisticated.

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Speaker 1: You have a pretty good vocabulary and you're pretty smart,

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Speaker 1: so it just happens that you have. You know that

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Speaker 1: you have a very ozzy kind of pronunciation, don't you

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Speaker 1: whole null brown call now brown cow? You know roberts Am. I, well,

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Speaker 1: she's not exact, I mean she's she doesn't really. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know Kate Middleton, let's say that, Yes, you know

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Speaker 1: Princess Kate. But then I'm no Princess Bill either, I

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Speaker 1: mean Prince Bill. Oh god, So you've been crook. What's

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Speaker 1: the update? It's as we record this, it's one thirty

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Speaker 1: six Monday. Obo. You've been crook. You've been projectile spewing apparently,

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Speaker 1: And might I say, I haven't seen you for four

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Speaker 1: or five days, and I'm glad because whatever you got,

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Speaker 1: I don't want it. And you were giving me in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was because it's been brutal. It's been brutal.

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Speaker 2: But the last two days I've got the energy.

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Speaker 3: Exercise violently ill physically for the first twelve to twenty

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Speaker 2: But like just the energy that it takes from you.

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Speaker 3: I guess dehydration, no food, throwing up a bug in

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Speaker 3: perhaps a bug in your system. I couldn't believe how

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Speaker 1: Feel like hauka. Well we're recording this, Like I said,

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Speaker 1: Monday AVO early What when when was the main action?

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Speaker 2: What day was that Wednesday night?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, it has been a long time. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: Know it was funny because I was doing it with

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Speaker 3: Show, sick like that, and you think you're okay when

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Speaker 3: we're not being sick anymore. We've had a big rest.

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Speaker 3: Let's hop up. And then you stand up and the

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Speaker 3: whole world moves a little bit in a woozy way,

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Speaker 3: and you go to this, Oh no, we can't.

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Speaker 1: How's the girl who's somewhat addicted to training? How's she

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Speaker 3: It actually wasn't bad because I haven't been as a

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Speaker 3: I've been strength focused, obviously, and I did a little

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Speaker 3: But but I mean, you just have no choice when

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Speaker 1: Well, you can get out and do twenty thousand steps

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Speaker 1: I'm all over the joint. And I said I did

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Speaker 1: doing a potty with you. Now I've got to do

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Speaker 1: some PhD. I tell you my mom is working better,

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Speaker 1: fun you know me, I'm like a fucking child. Is

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Speaker 1: like a party? No? No, none, none, And it's it's so.

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Speaker 1: And I was meeting with him last night, so I've

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Speaker 1: No? Do you know? Do you understand the concept in Catholicism?

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Speaker 1: You would have seen it where in movies? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what happens? Ill? Then he will absolve you. What does

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Speaker 1: that mean? Oh, that means he'll clear it up with God.

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Speaker 1: He'll take them off your soul and then you're good

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Speaker 1: Is anyone else anyone else? Just me? Like there's a

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon? That does to your so many

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's it's it's funny because it's like there's

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Speaker 1: But I am fascinated because of my background in the

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Speaker 1: the world, and for the most part, all of those

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Speaker 1: it's seventy five percent men committing suicide. And it's like this,

430
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, but they're men. Though, It's like, well, yeah,

431
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: I get it, but who's saying that. Well, it doesn't

432
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't get much attention compared to the

433
00:24:51,560 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: attention that that and like, firstly, all all the heinous

434
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: stuff that's happening to women and girls, it needs all

435
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: their attention, and it deserves all their attention. It should,

436
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: but there's a and I could be wrong, but to me,

437
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: it seems like if you're a man and you're talking

438
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: about how hard it is to be a man, people like,

439
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: fuck off. You're a man. And by the way, you're

440
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: a white man and you're a middle aged man, so

441
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: fuck off. But the truth is that men and women,

442
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: children and adults, you know, all cultures, all religions, like,

443
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: we're all humans and all people suffer, and it's not

444
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: that one is less or more important. But you know,

445
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: like I get a lot of messages from people saying,

446
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: like the Jamie Steadman that we had on the other day,

447
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: and it was great chat, and we're going to get

448
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: him back and it's in a great and important conversation

449
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: and we're going to have more. But I probably get

450
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: fifty emails from people saying talk about that, do that,

451
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: but maybe not one to fifty about men. It's like,

452
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: and it isn't that men are more important at all,

453
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: But I just think we need to have conversations all round,

454
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: and we need to try to understand what's happening. You know,

455
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: can I tell you an interesting story. I haven't told

456
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: you this. No, I haven't told you this. So the

457
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: other day I was doing one of my walks right,

458
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: and to me, this is like, I don't even know

459
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: I fuck it. This is just absolutely true. So however

460
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: it comes out everyone, I'm not trying to make any

461
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: particular point, but this is just my experience. So it

462
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 1: was on Saturday, two days ago. I was walking down

463
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: Hampton Street, so not far from where I live, and

464
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: out in the front of St. Vincent de Paul, right, I

465
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: had my headphones on so over your headphones and a

466
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: smart past and I just kind of vaguely heard commotion,

467
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: which is hard to hear with my earphones on, and

468
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: I turned around and there was like what looked to

469
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: be like a sixty ish year old lady wrestling with

470
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: what looked like a thirty year old young man twenty

471
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: five or something like skinny dude, glasses. Not the kind

472
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: of guy that is going to be looking for a fight.

473
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think, right anyway, I'm looking and then she's

474
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: screaming and he's like no. And then just I didn't

475
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: know what was going on. And there's a cafe right there,

476
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: and then this lady's over the face having a sandwich.

477
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: He's got sandwich coming out of her mouth, and she

478
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: starts screaming at the guy to stop attacking her and

479
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: all this, and then all these people are screaming at

480
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: this dude. And anyway, what happened was there was a

481
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: really expense his handbag in the Saint Vincent de Paul,

482
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: which was worth apparently thousands of dollars. It's like a

483
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: designer bag that somebody must have. Anyway, this lady stole it.

484
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: So this lady stole the handbag, and the dude was

485
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: stopping the thief, right, So she was stealing this handbag,

486
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: and one of the shop assistants, a lady asked him

487
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: to stop her, to stop her stealing, so he followed

488
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: her out and grabbed the bag. Now all everybody did

489
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: was they wanted to beat up the dude, and I'm like,

490
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: she was a thief. He was trying to stop a thief.

491
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: But because he was a guy, everybody wanted to punch him.

492
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, hang on, hang on, hang on, what's

493
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: going on? Hang on? And then just as I kind

494
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: of I didn't do anything, by the way, I didn't

495
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: fix save anyone, but as I moved in, and then

496
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: she just bolted, and I'm like, you don't always know

497
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: the story, you know, And it's like, this poor little dude,

498
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: he was borderline having a breakdown, and there's no way

499
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: he would have intervened. And then this lady, fortunately, the

500
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: lady in the store who asked him, she came out

501
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: and said thank you, you're a hero and gave him

502
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: a hug, and it was all good. But I'm like, yeah,

503
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: because at the just initially like everybody was just ready

504
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: to take this dude to the ground, but it was

505
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: actually what everyone thought was going on wasn't going on,

506
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: so you know, and of course I'm always going to

507
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: default to protecting the woman, of course, of course, and

508
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: I was ready to fucking grab him by the hair

509
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: and pull him to the ground. And then but I

510
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: didn't actually know what was going on. Yeah, and then

511
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: I went ah, oh, so yeah, anyway, that was my Saturday.

512
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: That's my Saturday.

513
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: Watch a Saturday.

514
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's fucking busy. I've had a

515
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: couple of I've had I know, we've got about five

516
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: minutes ago. I've had an interesting I had a meeting

517
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: last night with my told you, with my supervisor, Christian,

518
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: and I've got about six months to go. You know,

519
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: Christian trains at the gym. I've got about six months

520
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: to go. Now. It's fair to say everyone, I haven't

521
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: been breaking any academic records. It's like if my PhD

522
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: is everest. I'm about one hundred meters above base camp.

523
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: And while I have made progress, I mean, I've look

524
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: in my defense, your honor, I've all the research that

525
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: I had to do, the studies I had to conduct,

526
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: I've conducted them. You have to pass for academic milestones.

527
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: I've passed all them in front of a board. But

528
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm on the home straight in that I need to

529
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: be writing up everything I need to be writing a

530
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: systematic literature view a couple of empirical papers. That just

531
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: means a research paper that you write explaining and dissecting

532
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: the research that you did, so two of them, and

533
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: then a thesis, which is basically the story of my

534
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: entire PhD journey. Let's just stay tiff. Based on where

535
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm at, I've probably got a good twelve to eight

536
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: month's work left and it's all got to be handed

537
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: in in six months. So let's also say that Christian

538
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of in the nicest way possible when get your

539
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: shit together, like get your shit together, and he's literally

540
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: said to me, how many hours every day can you

541
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: commit to your PhD? Like how many days? And it's

542
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: like pretty much, you said to me, you need to

543
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: be doing four to six hours, seven days a week

544
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: for the next six months. And I'm like, I know,

545
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: I know, So today was I mean, I've been working.

546
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: It's just and it's no excuse, but the problem is me.

547
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: But I do work full time, and I do do

548
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: seven podcast a week, and I do fly around Australia,

549
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: and I have probably bitten off more than I can

550
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: chew a little bit. But nonetheless, so I got reprimanded

551
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: by in a nice way but totally deserving. Right, I

552
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: am one hundred percent the fault at the problem and

553
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: then the other night or the other day. This is confession, right,

554
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: So we're back to part two of the episode confession,

555
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: so it comes to full circle. I don't even yeah,

556
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: I just want to share this because I felt bad

557
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: for two days, fucking terrible, right, So I'll tell you

558
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: who if faired, but I'm not going to on air.

559
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: So I am chatting with some friends of mine, a couple,

560
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: and I said something that was It was said in jest,

561
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: but it was me. Remember I told you when I

562
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: was young, I had this whole wise dude in my

563
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: life said to me, you know, you need to be

564
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: careful with your mouth because you can build.

565
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: People up or tear them down.

566
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, tear them down. And I'm like, yeah, I know,

567
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: and and I and I spend my life trying to

568
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: encourage and support people and build them up, and I

569
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: feel like that's my mission. But sometimes like a little

570
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: door opens and I'll be a smart ass or I'll

571
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: crack it whatever. That in hindsight, right, So I did that.

572
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: I said something and one hundred percent my bad wasn't

573
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: meant to be hurtful, wasn't meant to be but looking

574
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: back now, it was, it was, and I felt bad

575
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: to it. I apologized, and I even I've sent two

576
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: messages apologizing and also apologized in the moment, like seventeen

577
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: seconds later. But you know when you're just like, I'm

578
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: one hundred percent at fault. I fucked up. I've been

579
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: hating myself for two days because I'm like, I'm the

580
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: guy who tells you how to be aware of how

581
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: you're coming across, Like that's literally your fucking PhD, you idiot,

582
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: And I just said something that, when in my head

583
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: and coming out of my mouth, was meant to be

584
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: like a bit of the equivalent of a verbal punch

585
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: on the shoulder, you know whatever. But it wasn't. It wasn't,

586
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: and there was yeah, And once it's done, you can't

587
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: undo it. And so that's my little confession. I feel

588
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: fucking terrible. Anyway. All I can do to fix it

589
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: I've done. I've sent multiple messages apologized and human.

590
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 3: If there's one thing that I say, it is people

591
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 3: in my life can make any mistake as long as

592
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 3: they own up to it and fix it.

593
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: And be honest.

594
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 3: But I can't tolerate stuff behind you know, behind your back,

595
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 3: or being sad or or you know, like untruths, and

596
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: so I think completely forgivable, especially see seventeen seconds lady.

597
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: I went, oh, that's I knew.

598
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: I knew and then I saw that. So it's a couple.

599
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: I saw the look on her face and I went, oh,

600
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: that did not that wasn't And it wasn't. It wasn't like, oh,

601
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: she just took it the wrong way. Oh you know,

602
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't that. It was me. It was all me,

603
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: and I totally own it.

604
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: We got on you for owning up and got on

605
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: you for Yeah, I think that take could be, but

606
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: it still does. To deflect.

607
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: It's really easy to deflect and go they're precious. It's

608
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: easy to say that than to say I shouldn't have

609
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: done that and I'm sorry.

610
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah that look I know, I mean, but I hope

611
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: I do that all the time, like when I fuck up,

612
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: which is less these days than I used to, but

613
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: I still fuck up. And I you know, I think

614
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: that that part of the you know, part of what

615
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: we're about, which is personal and professional development and you know,

616
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: whatever it is. The human experience. If you don't ever

617
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: fuck up, or you don't ever own up to fucking up,

618
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: then you probably fuck up a lot, you know, and

619
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: you probably deluded. But I feel bad that I did it,

620
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: But I feel more bad that I hurt her. I

621
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: fucking hate hurting people, and I did. I heard her,

622
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: I heard her feelings, and yeah, I fuck if I

623
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: could take back that moment in time, which I can't.

624
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: But anyway, so that's me off to the rumor mirrors

625
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: for a fucking look at myself again.

626
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: I'd give you your penance, but I don't know any

627
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 3: nursery rhymes or something.

628
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: All right, and what's on for you for the rest

629
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: of day.

630
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: I got a knuckle down and catch up on all

631
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 3: this lost time. I've just got to do some planning

632
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 3: and editing and.

633
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: Grown up stuff.

634
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: Well goodye gum drops, all right, Well thanks for listening.

635
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: Father tiff.

636
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 2: It's my pleasure. Son.

637
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: Say three Hail Marys and funk off your little sinner,

638
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: your little sinner, dirty little sinner. Oh it's so funny.

639
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: Now when I think back, literally, it doesn't matter. I

640
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: can't say I can't. I'm going to get in trouble again.

641
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: Fucking hell, I'm gonna have to get I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: to filter myself more. I'll tell you, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: our air. We're probably losing buddy listeners that are rapid

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Speaker 1: rad as we speak.

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Speaker 2: Thanks TIV, Thanks Harps, Thanks everyone,