1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Kristan Amiot. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: It's Monday, October sixth, twenty twenty five. The clock is 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: ticking on a Middle East peace deal proposed by US 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump. HAMAS is split on whether to agree 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: to the plan, which would require the militant group to 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: fully disarm, destroy its weapons, and leave Gaza for good. 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Talks between HAMAS and the United States will take place 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: in Egypt on Monday, while Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnyahu 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: said he hopes all remaining hostages held in Gaza will 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: be returned in the coming days. Support for Pauline Hansen's 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: One Nation Party has almost doubled since the federal election 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: in May, while care support for the coalition is lingering 13 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: at record lows. That's according to new data from Newspoll, 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: which also says the Albanese Labour government has recorded its 15 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: strongest primary vote in more than two years. You can 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: read our experts analysis right now at the Australian dot 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: com dot au. Japan will usher in its newest prime 18 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: minister in as many years in a matter of weeks. 19 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: The question is can Sanai Takeichi the first woman to 20 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: be elevated to the top job. Hang on to it. 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: That's today's episode. She was so firm and uncompromising in 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: her politics they called her the Iron Lady. Margaret Thatcher 23 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: was the longest serving British Prime Minister of the twentieth 24 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: century and the first woman to hold the position. 25 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: It is our purpose to return the power and influence 26 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: of this House are not to denude it of many 27 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: of the powers. 28 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: The conservative ideology that drove her policies and also her 29 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: unique style came to be known as Thatcherism, and the 30 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: people who subscribe to it were dubbed Thatcher Rights. It's 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: a label. Sixty four year old Tona Takaichi bears proudly 32 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: a longtime admirer of Thatcher's. Takaiji is the first woman 33 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: to be elected to lead Japan's conservative Liberal Democratic Party, 34 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: clearing the way for her to become the country's new 35 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: Prime minister in a matter of weeks. 36 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: She's very much modeled herself as an inheritor of the 37 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: shinto Abe political tradition in Japan. 38 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: Will Glasgow is The Australian's North Asia correspondent. 39 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: And she's very much a conservative. She's from that Abe 40 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: wing of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party, But while she's 41 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: got a lot of the same political instincts or conservative 42 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: positions as Abe, she's not got anything like the track 43 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 2: record of electoral success that Abe has had. Now she's 44 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: won this part vote, but there's really a lot of 45 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 2: questions about will she actually get very far in prosecuting 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: that case to return to the Abe legacy. 47 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: Japan's Liberal Democratic Party has governed almost continuously since its 48 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: inception in the nineteen fifties. It oversaw Japan's recovery following 49 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: World War II, turning it into an economic superpower and 50 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: developing a pro America foreign policy. Sanai Takeichi is the 51 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: second party leader to be elected in the space of 52 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: a year. 53 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba has moments ago said he is resigning. 54 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: The decision to step down comes as Issuba works to 55 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: avoid a split within the ruling Liberal Democratic Party, the LDPS. 56 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: By the time he steps down, there will be five 57 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: former prime ministers from the LDP in the party room 58 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: when they gather five former and then this new prime minister, 59 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: So the churn has returned. So you've had a very 60 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: turbulent period within the LDP as the factions jostle with 61 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: one another for who should lead, with no one since 62 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: Abe resigned and he was later horrendously assassinated in twenty 63 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: twenty two. But since then, there's just been no one 64 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: who's been able to assert dominance over Japanese politics in 65 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: anything like that way, and look like they had a 66 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 2: firm grip on power. They've always been undermined by some 67 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: other faction within the party, and at every single election 68 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 2: since he stood down, they've performed poorly. So look in 69 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: her victory speech after winning the leadership contests on Saturday night, 70 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: she was very frank that the party's facing a very 71 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: difficult outlook. She said, rather than feeling happy now, I 72 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 2: feel the future is truly difficult, and really every analyst 73 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: of Japanese politics, all her party members would agree with that. 74 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: Her next challenge is to secure so poured from other 75 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: minor parties in the Japanese political system. She doesn't need 76 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: that to become the prime minister. She just needs the 77 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: most votes when the Japanese Parliament, the Diet meets most 78 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: likely in the next fortnight, but it's still to be 79 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: confirmed by the time we're talking. But then to pass 80 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: any legislation her LDP party is going to need the 81 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: support of minor parties in the Japanese system, and the 82 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: LDP's natural coalition partner, it's a much more moderate political party, 83 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: and Takashi was by far the least popular amongst that 84 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: minor party. So even the existing coalition agreement that the 85 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: LDP has, or coalition arrangement at least, even that's looking uncertain. 86 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: But then those two parties together don't now have enough 87 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: votes in the lower House, and that's where things get 88 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: really complicated for her and really complicated for Japanese politics. 89 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: It's an unusual state of affairs where so many of 90 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 2: the minor parties are in play and could potentially be 91 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 2: crucial to passing in any legislation. And it's why as 92 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: she's just won this party vote and is on the 93 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: cusp of making history as Japan's first female prime minister, 94 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 2: there are questions about how long is she going to 95 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: last in both of those roles. 96 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: So Ken Senai Takeichi right the ship. 97 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: Look, she's on me the conservative side of the Liberal 98 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 2: Democratic Party. There are much more conservative or hardline or nationalists, 99 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: and so the pitch that Takashi and her supporters have 100 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: made is that she's going to be able to bring 101 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: some of those voters who have drifted away from the 102 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: LDP towards these upstart parties. She's going to be able 103 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: to bring quite a few of them back, and it's 104 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 2: over to her to prove that. The flip is though 105 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: she lost to rivals who have much more appeal amongst 106 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 2: your hands, big cities and amongst Japan's younger voters, and 107 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: that's where all the polling shows she really struggles. So 108 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: there is no perfect candidate for the LDP who can 109 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: straddle both those worlds. They've tacked to her and perhaps 110 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: she's going to be able to arrest that decline and 111 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: votes from the right of the party and bring people 112 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: back in. But the danger for them is that she 113 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: loses more from the party's left amongst its moderate voters, 114 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: So you know, that's a real challenge she's got. And look, finally, 115 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: a key thing to note about her is in this 116 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: leadership tilled she spoke often quite vaguely on a lot 117 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: of topics, so on a whole bunch of policy issues. 118 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: It's just really unclear as a prime minister how she 119 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: going to behave compared to we know where she's been 120 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: as someone who's been free of that office, but it's 121 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: quite a different thing once she's the Japanese Prime minister 122 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: as to where she's going to land on a lot 123 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: of these things. 124 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: Takaichi is described as a China Hawk. Of course, Australia 125 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: is concerned about China's growing military might end its apparent 126 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: objectives in the Pacific. How is her election as party 127 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: leader and probable prime minister likely to influence that dynamic. 128 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: She's long been a hardliner or maybe you call her 129 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: a China hawk on relations with Beijing. Again during the campaign, 130 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: though she's spoke much more moderately about China. So even 131 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: in her foreign policy positions, where she's often been quite 132 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: loud and consistent up until this leadership contest, even there, 133 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: it's not quite clear how much of those positions she's 134 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: well known for in Japanese public life, how much of 135 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: those are going to endure in office. And I guess 136 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: one of the things a lot of people are watching 137 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: for clues on that are who is she going to 138 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: put into key posts. So we just have to wait 139 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 2: and see on that, and again it'll give us an 140 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: indicator into how she's going to behave Now some of 141 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: these questions, we won't be left asking for long. She's 142 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: going to be most likely becoming Japan's Prime minister just 143 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: before summit season, so she's expected to be at the 144 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 2: Asian Leaders Meeting towards the end of October that's in Malaysia, 145 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: and then right after that she's expected to host Donald Trump, 146 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: the American President, in Tokyo, just before they both go 147 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: to APEC, which is going to be in South Korea 148 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: on the last day of October, and then on too 149 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: November first, So she's going to meet at least on 150 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 2: the sidelines. We don't know if you'll have a formal 151 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: bilateral meeting, but she'll meet China's leader, Shijinping. So how 152 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: that meeting with she goes, how she behaves in the 153 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: meeting with Trump, how she goes with other regional leaders. 154 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: All of those questions are going to be answered very 155 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: soon by her on the global stage with all of 156 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 2: us watching. Coming up. 157 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: What the elevation of Sinai Takaichi means for Australia. In August, 158 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: Australia awarded a lucrative military contract to Japanese shipbuilder Mitsubishi 159 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: Heavy Industries. Well, Japan has won a fierce battle to 160 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: build a new fleet of Australian warships, winning a ten 161 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: billion dollar contract with the Albanese government. Add to that 162 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: a commitment to train Japanese troops alongside Australians and Americans 163 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: in the top end, and you've got the makings of 164 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: a strong geostrategic relationship. Just lastly, Will You wrote for 165 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: The Australian that this is Anthony Albanese's third Japanese counterpart 166 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: since he was elected as Prime Minister in twenty twenty two, 167 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: and that of course begs the question of what Sana 168 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: Takachi means for Australia's bilateral relationship with Japan. 169 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: History shows us that the Australian Japan relationship has been 170 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: able to not only endure, but actually strengthened despite a 171 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: lot of political instability. So in the Abe era, actually 172 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: Canberra was the source of instability, you know Shinzo Abe 173 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: when he was first elected. Julia Gillard was Australia's Prime 174 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: minister for a couple of months before Kevin Rudd returned 175 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: for a couple of months before Tony Abbott was elected 176 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: for a few years before Malcolm Turnbull came into power. 177 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: For a couple more years before Scott Morrison did so. 178 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: All through that though, Japan and Australia really improved and 179 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: more closely aligned their strategic relationship, working much more on 180 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: shared foreign policy and security goals. What really united them 181 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: was to share concern about Beijing, about the increased capabilities 182 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: of the People's Liberation Army and it's more assertive behavior 183 00:11:55,280 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: in the region. Now in the first Trump era, Washington's 184 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 2: unreliability also became a shared concern between Tokyo and Canberra. 185 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: And of course it is again so the strategic alignment 186 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: that brings the two countries together. If anything, it's only 187 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: intensified since then. So I think that, however long this 188 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: next Japanese Prime minister last, I think that the relationship 189 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: between Australia and Japan is just so strategically important, it's 190 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: also economically important. I mean, Japan is Australia's second biggest 191 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: economic market. All that said, though, it's not a new 192 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: thing that we've got short term Japanese prime ministers, and 193 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: that they're revolving within the LDP itself, going from one 194 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: faction to another. A concerning thing for Australia is that 195 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: the LDP's electoral popularity has fallen so much that there 196 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: are questions about is that pattern going to endure? You know, 197 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: if the LDP actually lost government an opposition came in, 198 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 2: then the band of foreign policy positions really grows, and 199 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: it's not clear that Australia Japanese alignment would be quite 200 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: so comfortable and natural as it has been throughout the 201 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: LDP period. And the worst case scenario for Australia is 202 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: that this is an unsuccessful prime ministership that even worsens 203 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: the party's position within the Japanese electorate to such a 204 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: point that the Japanese public goes for quite a different 205 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: sort of a medley of other parties, and that they 206 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: throw up some foreign policy positions that make that Australia 207 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: Japan relationship much less clear or makes working together much harder. 208 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: Well Glasgow is The Australian's North Asia correspondent. You can 209 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: read all his reporting and analysis right now at the 210 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au