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Speaker 1: This is the Fits In with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's still talking about Baby Roindy if you haven't seen

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Speaker 2: it yet on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: But can I jump in for a minute. I'm extremely

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Speaker 3: sensitive to this topic. Yeah, I'm one and a half

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Speaker 3: episodes in. I'm really enjoying what I've seen.

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Speaker 1: One and a half. Yeah, but that's one sitting and

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Speaker 1: you haven't gone back.

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Speaker 3: But I'm back tonight. Lisa and I are in front

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Speaker 3: of the TV. Tonight we'll plan the evening.

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Speaker 4: You know what.

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Speaker 2: The basis of the show.

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Speaker 3: I know, but I just don't want to. I don't

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Speaker 3: want you to give anything on one.

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Speaker 2: It's nothing to give away, mate, there's actually.

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Speaker 1: Nothing to give you.

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Speaker 5: What you have seen will continue and there'll be twists

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Speaker 5: and turns. But yeah, well I think what is going

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Speaker 5: to talk about now? Won't give it away?

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Speaker 3: Does it conclude?

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Speaker 2: No, the butler doesn't come in and kill everyone?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but is.

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Speaker 3: There an outcome?

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Speaker 2: It's do you know what it is? It's manipulation, it

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Speaker 2: is mind games, it is stalking, and it is really

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Speaker 2: scary because you know, it's a true story mental health.

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Speaker 3: And at the end of it, am I left wondering.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, well, well, you.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you would be like, what was that all about?

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Speaker 2: It's amazing how it's the story of Richard Gadd, who

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Speaker 2: was a comedian, who was a struggling comedian and was

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Speaker 2: doing it tough at the time, and he was working

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Speaker 2: behind a bar and he looked after a woman who

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Speaker 2: came in who looked very forlorn and very sad, and

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Speaker 2: he said to her she didn't have any money, and

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Speaker 2: he gave her a cup of tea for free.

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Speaker 1: Right, we thought that that's the sliding doors moment, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It was a random act of kindness and then all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden everything changed in her life and his life.

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Speaker 2: Now with her life, we're talking about Martha. Martha's not

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Speaker 2: her real name. But what's happened is this lady who

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Speaker 2: has been accused of stalking Richard Gadd in real life

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Speaker 2: has now been tracked down and she's done her first

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Speaker 2: interview overnight. So if you're waking up, you've watched Baby Reindeer.

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Speaker 2: They have spoken to the real life Martha and have

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Speaker 2: a guess who's done the interview? Can anyone have I guess?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Event, No, it's Peas.

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Speaker 5: More so, she's come out and spoken now because of course,

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Speaker 5: when people watch a show like this and at the

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Speaker 5: beginning of it it says this is based on a

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Speaker 5: true story, everyone's.

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Speaker 1: Like, who's this woman? Where can we find her?

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Speaker 5: So she's come up against a lot of criticism as well,

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Speaker 5: and having been trapped down I think on Facebook, wasn't

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Speaker 5: it Well?

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Speaker 2: This is the thing, like, if you watch this show,

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Speaker 2: you go, oh my gosh, how is this lady not

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Speaker 2: in jail? But the thing is what we need to

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Speaker 2: also understand. Here is this woman I think is unstable

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Speaker 2: a little bit, and to put her on a medium

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Speaker 2: like television live especially, it's pretty full on. Now it's

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Speaker 2: you know, she denies everything. Okay, so Peers kicks it off,

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Speaker 2: and if you haven't watched Baby Reindeer, this is how

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Speaker 2: many emails and how many times she contacted this comedian

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Speaker 2: when she befriended him at the start, and Peers put

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Speaker 2: that to her.

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Speaker 4: In the course of your relationship with Richard Gadd you

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Speaker 4: send him forty one thousand emails, three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: voice messages, seven hundred and forty four tweets, forty eight

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Speaker 4: Facebook messages, and one hundred and six letters.

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Speaker 6: That's actually not true. If somebody was sending somebody forty

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Speaker 6: one emails or something. They've been doing how many a day?

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Speaker 4: Laws will it be obsessively? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely?

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Speaker 4: No, absolutely, What did you send me? None of that's true.

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Speaker 6: I don't think I sent him anything, you said him anything.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 6: I think there may have been a couple of emails exchanging,

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Speaker 6: but that was it, just jokey, banter emails.

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Speaker 2: So she's completely denying that she even send him any

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Speaker 2: names around This is then the baby Reindeer name. It

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Speaker 2: was apparently offer a soft toy. He asked her about that.

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Speaker 2: Where did the name come from?

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Speaker 4: It says that you told Richard Gadd that he looked

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Speaker 4: like a baby reindeer toy you once had as a child,

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Speaker 4: hence the name of the show.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, is that true. I appear to have written most of.

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Speaker 4: The show in my sleep. I just did you have

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Speaker 4: a baby?

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Speaker 6: I had a toy reindeer and he shaved his head.

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Speaker 6: That bit is true, And there were reindis in the

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Speaker 6: shops it was Christmas time or something. It was a joke.

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Speaker 6: So I have inadvertently paid the name of the.

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Speaker 4: Show, right, But that is true, that's.

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Speaker 6: True, That's that's true.

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Speaker 2: Fund anything I would say.

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Speaker 3: So, not the interview, but the show.

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Speaker 4: No, No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's what she Maybe that's what she's saying.

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Speaker 2: So then there were there was my if you watch

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Speaker 2: this series, I mean, there was where she approached Richard

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Speaker 2: Gad and tried more flirting, tried to intimately get with him,

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Speaker 2: which she denies. But then it's it's really weird because

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Speaker 2: it's you know, you don't know what is coming out

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Speaker 2: of her mouth is true or not. But this is

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Speaker 2: what she spoke about when she was talking about that subject.

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Speaker 6: He asked me to sleep with him. He said, would

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Speaker 6: I like my curtains fixed? And I laughed and he

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Speaker 6: said that so euphemism, want me to come home with you?

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Speaker 6: And I said, I've got a boyfriend. I gave him

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Speaker 6: the brush off big well, big time. I think, you

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Speaker 6: know it's subtly, subtly so. But the bottom line is

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Speaker 6: I think this is behind him. No, I don't fancy him.

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Speaker 6: I don't fancy little boys without jobs.

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Speaker 3: Curtains is an okay, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: So she has a hatred for Richard yet obviously now

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Speaker 2: and this was the message that she had for him

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Speaker 2: at the end of the interview.

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Speaker 4: Now, Dad is watching this. What's your message to.

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Speaker 6: Leave me alone? Please get a life, get a proper job.

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Speaker 6: I am horrified at what you've done.

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Speaker 4: And you will categorically be taking legal.

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Speaker 6: Action absolutely against both him and Netflix.

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Speaker 4: You said your boyfriend's a lawyer, so this can be done.

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Speaker 6: He's not doing it. No, I'm not doing it.

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Speaker 4: Somebody else is going to have you instructed lawyer.

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Speaker 6: We've instructed them in part, but we want to explore

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Speaker 6: all the options out there. There are a number of

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Speaker 6: number of people to see.

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Speaker 2: She's been in the interview as well. She spoke about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm off I'm not even on social meet her anymore.

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Speaker 2: I got off Facebook two days ago. She has been

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Speaker 2: posting on Facebook as soon as this interview has been

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Speaker 2: over the whole time. I'll let the interview speak for itself.

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Speaker 2: Peers is a bully. We all know that he triggers emotions.

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Speaker 2: This is a woman who is unstable. She even said

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Speaker 2: a day ago, not having a good day. When I

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Speaker 2: get triggered, I write and write and write. Gad brought

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Speaker 2: all this drauma back, and they're putting her on a platform.

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Speaker 3: A reminder too, for the story of what is it?

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Speaker 3: Richard Gadd that he's the actual actor playing in the show.

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Speaker 3: He's the main man of true story, true life.

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Speaker 5: I think what is awful in these situations is that, look,

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Speaker 5: there are so many elements to this story that none

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Speaker 5: of us will know the truth in that. But it's

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Speaker 5: full of emotion, it's very complex. There are obviously people

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Speaker 5: within the story and perhaps what is the lady's name,

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Speaker 5: but the actress the Martha who is unwell. And I

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Speaker 5: think it's unfair when people take advantage of people who

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Speaker 5: shouldn't be put on the.

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Speaker 4: Shouldn't have been done television or radio. Well said Sits.

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