WEBVTT - #2054 Real Food vs. Supplements - Kate Save 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:02.960 I get a team, so you project it's Tiffany and Cook, 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:07.960 It's Kate, Mary, Veronica Loois Save. It's the project that's you. 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.639 Will start with the pugilist, the box of the thug, 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:17.000 the woman about town, Tiffany and Cook, the consumer of cookies, 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:21.280 Kate Save, the dietitian and excise physiologist. I think also 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.720 I might have something to say about that. Tiff Tell 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.319 Kate about the cookies that you are not only addicted to, 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:30.280 but try to get everyone else addicted to. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.600 Incidentally, I just took someone to the cookie shop today, 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:37.400 so I can still taste the cookie that Kate. They 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:42.560 may not be nutritionally sound, but they are so nutritious 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:46.279 for my soul. They are life changing cookies. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.559 I'm wondering the other box, the other bucket. You know 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.839 what is that? The fulfilling heart buckets? 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:54.880 Yes, yes, the important one. 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.880 I wonder if the joy and dough for me, and 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.839 the euphoria that comes with those cookies offsets the calories 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:10.000 and the sugar and the cellular damage. I wonder if 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:15.959 it's in its own way despite being unhealthy. Maybe maybe 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.720 it kind of comes out like equal. 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:23.520 Because cortisol is not healthy and I feel that just 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.760 drop when I get one of those bad boys in 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:26.160 my hand. 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.440 Well, it's pretty much the antidote to everything. Look at 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.680 us trying to make science up as we go. That's 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:36.520 that's how science works. Fingering her finger. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:41.240 Yes, it's so great. I think there's something in that. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.039 Do either of you wear an or a ring? 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:45.119 No? 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:46.960 But I wear a garment, okay. 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.600 And so it looks at your different states, and it 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:54.480 looks at your stress and your restorative time. Yesterday I 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.840 eat said, oh, you've had more restorative time than usual. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:01:59.880 I never watch TV. 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.280 And I sat down with my daughter and husband in 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.200 bed and we watched All A Time to Kill and 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.360 I just felt so lucky at the end that you know, 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:11.240 it's a beautiful movie, it's a horrible movie, all those things. 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:15.680 And yeah, so my restorative time went through the roof. 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.680 So I think you're onto something, Greg. I feel like 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:23.239 it could be maybe slightly offset if it can put 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.880 you into that restorative phase, because that's healing for your body. 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.839 So you'll have to check your checking amen. 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.560 Before Tiff jumps in, she's going to I think it's 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.280 dose dependent, your honor, I think it. I think it 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:39.200 depends on how many cookies gone Tiff. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.280 Well on that. People used to say to me that 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.639 my motto was if a little bit's good, a lot 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.360 must be better, because anything I liked, I would have 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.160 tenfold of it. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:56.000 Well, this has not started on the nutritious thoughts, has it? 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.200 It has? Do you know what this has started on? 0:02:58.440 --> 0:02:58.600 That? 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.320 This has started on the real world foot because this 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:06.200 is normal humans deal with how much shit can I eat? 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.120 Or how much how many cordatas can I have? Or 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.919 how often can I have one of those cookies? Or 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.240 I mean, to me, this is actually a good conversation because, 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.640 like I say to people all the time, don't do 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:24.440 what I do because I'm compared to the average, I'm extreme. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.720 Like for me, I'm not extreme. For me, I'm totally normal. 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.200 But don't use me as a barometer because I'm a 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.080 fucking weirdo. So if you have a pizza a week, 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.440 or three beers a week, or a wine every night, 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.280 or a cookie once or twice a week that Tiff 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.480 uses and recommends, or you know, or you have bee 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.360 fit foods every second day not every day, or whatever 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:49.360 it is, Like, I think it's trying to find something 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:54.240 that works, not only physiologically and nutritionally, but also emotionally, 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:59.480 psychologically and sociologically, because once it or not, food is 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:03.279 way more more than just food, Like especially in Australia, 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:05.960 it's way more than and you know, we can all 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:07.680 go well, if I put you on it And I 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.320 used to say this to people, if I put you 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.839 on an island and I only fed you this and that, 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.400 and that's true, their body would change a certain way 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.880 if they only had access to certain food. But yeah, 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.880 I guess it's always a bit of a trade off Kpe. 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.560 Absolutely, And at the end of the day, if you 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.520 feel miserable, that's not good for your health. If you 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.760 feel in a stress state, that's not good for your health. 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.640 So there's got to be some sort of balance there. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.320 But on the flip side of that, you've got to 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.960 be conscious of your eating and you need to compensate 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:43.240 unless you want to change. So if you don't compensate, 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.599 it doesn't evaporate. And I think you're both the most 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:52.919 consistent people that I know with your training and whatever 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:57.240 you do is consistent, not just your training but your podcast. 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:03.200 Everything you do is consistent. And if people are consistently healthy, 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:07.440 then whenever they have the other stuff, they compensate for it. 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:08.040 It's fine. 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.520 But if you don't compensate and you're not consistent the 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.680 rest of the time, then you're in a world of trouble. 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:17.000 Hmmm. I think that's I think for the average person, 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.359 trying to figure out what that balance is a really 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.760 good question to ask and a really good kind of 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.560 a little bit of you know, and equals one self 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.680 research to go, oh, how do I Like I've told 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.920 I've said this before, but like for about ten years 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.960 maybe more, I would not have a fucking if somebody 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:40.680 said I'll give you a hundred bucks to eat this 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.839 crumb of cake, I would say no, right, I was 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.560 just and it wasn't about the crumb of cake. It 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.400 was about my mind and my emotions and my reactions 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.120 and my responses. Just like you would not say to 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.280 an addict, just have a tiny bit of coke, or now, 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:58.640 do you know what I mean, just have a tiny 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.880 bit of coke, you know, or an alcoholic, look, just 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.599 have a core of a glass of beer. Like, no 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.520 one would do that. But and like here's the thing. 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:12.280 If people who don't have food issues hear this, they'd go, well, 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.520 you're just a fucking idiot. You got no self control. 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.680 I'm like, yeah, that's spoken by a person who doesn't 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:22.080 have food issues. Like for me, food was as close 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.640 to being a drug addiction as I would ever have, 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.640 because I would eat food I didn't need. I would 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.560 do things that I knew were self destructive. This is 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.679 the same as addiction. I would lie about my eating, 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.240 I would eat in secret. I would tell people to 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.680 do things that I wasn't doing. I didn't follow my 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.240 own advice. I wasted my own knowledge. I mean, that's 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.400 just all the behaviors of an addict, you know. But 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:50.680 and you've got to get to the point where you go, well, 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.719 I'm a bit full of shit. And so I think 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.280 that you know, people trying to understand what is an 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:02.800 operating system. I mean, obviously purely from a nutritional and 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.280 a scientific point of view, then let's just look at 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.119 micros and macros and energy and quality of food. Yes, 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.480 but then beyond that, also you know what's going to 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.360 work for you just practically moving forward, so you can 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:19.880 be pretty lean, pretty healthy, pretty operational. And also you 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:21.600 can have a bit of this and a bit of that, 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:23.120 but not forty times a. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.960 Week, absolutely, and I think it's only when people get 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:30.840 the scared or something. You know, they've got a goal 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.840 and they decide they want to change, and they realize 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.760 that change is so much harder than they ever imagined. 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.480 I got invited to a dinner party the other night, 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.800 but I was warned it was only two people and 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.640 they wanted to speak to me about pre diabetes and 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.760 talking about going on weight loss medications. I was like, oh, 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.960 here we go. So a couple of hours later we 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.960 had a really insightful conversation, and needless to say, I'm 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.320 not pro medication. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.200 Over lifestyle because at the end of the day, if 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.800 you are going to take any of those weight. 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.640 Loss drugs, the first thing you do before you start 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:12.040 your script is strength training three times a week, have small, 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.160 high protein, nutrie dense meals, and make sure that you're 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:15.800 well nourished. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.360 Then go on the drug. And what they. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.600 Said to me is, well, if I was doing that, well, 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.280 why would I need the drug. I'm like, well, good question, 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.880 But can't I just go on a little bit? Well, actually, 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.360 you never ever go off it. Do you ever go 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.840 off your cholesterol, your high blood pressure medications, those sorts 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:35.680 of things. No, And it's the same thing with a 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.240 weight loss drug. People think that they can have a 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.640 small dose, get the weight off, and then the weight 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.840 will stay off, And that's not the way they work. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.559 You are meant to be on them for life forever. 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.520 So once you start them, you must also keep up 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.400 your strength training three times a week and your perfect 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.880 eating three times a day, because if you don't do 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.800 perfect eating, you can only afford to eat a very 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.360 small amount of food because you'll feel sick all the time, 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.600 you'll have very small appetite, and you'll still have the 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.760 same protein and nutrient requirements, you just won't want all 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.360 the other stuff. So if you're not prepared to do 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.679 that for the rest of your life, don't start. 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:20.559 Wowser. Well, I mean see, and I guess playing Devil's advocate, 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.600 I'm with you. By the way, I'm not a fan 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:24.440 at all. And by the way, everyone, this is not 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.000 medical recommendations or prescriptions by Kate Orchip. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.640 I have no issues with people taking it, but that's 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:33.600 the script that goes with the script. 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:34.720 That's the truth. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:39.040 That's the deal. Yeah, I'm just like and I get it. 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.440 I get it that it's helped some people, and I 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:46.800 understand and I think that's legit. But also you know 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.800 that I can't remember the numbers, but I know that 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:53.440 there's definitely quite a significant percentage of the weight losses 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:59.120 muscle like. Nobody needs to lose muscle like nobody. There's 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:03.680 no benefit for anybody lose unless you're a bodybuilder who's 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.480 one hundred and forty kilos and you just want to 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:10.959 get smaller. But you know, losing muscle mass is losing strength, 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.360 is losing function, and if you're losing muscle mass, you're 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.640 probably losing bone density. You know, there's a whole bunch 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.600 of stuff that that potentially is going to happen. And 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:24.960 when we look at, you know, weight loss as a 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.520 stand alone, maybe maybe, But then if you look at 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.320 some of the all the other stuff, the side effects, 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:37.280 some of the physiological consequences perhaps over time of being 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:42.160 dependent on a drug. And while I know we probably 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.400 have a lot of lesseners who use it, and so 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.480 I'm not trying to throw any shade, but I also think, 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:51.640 you know, me, as the like the student of human behavior, 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:56.360 I just think, Okay, so now I the only way 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.520 that I can stay in the shape that I want 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.640 is I've got to take this drug now forever. When 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.199 you think, well, what does it do? It literally makes 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:11.320 me eat less food. Well that's what that's what other 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.880 people do, but without the drug. It's like, that's how 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.360 I went from being a fat kid to a fit kid. 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.720 Is I have my food essentially and increase my energy expenditure. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.640 And I lost thirty kilos and there was no ozenpic 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.480 or no woogarbi or whatever it is. And you know 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.280 it's like and it's not, Oh, therefore everybody should do 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.200 what I did. But yeah, I just I don't know 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.720 that mentally and emotionally it's a great thing either. 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:36.840 Can I answer this? 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.880 So at this dinner party conversation, I said, well, how 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.520 much waste do you want to lose? And there's a 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.040 beautiful friends of mine, so I know they don't mind 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.880 me talking about this, and one of them wanted to 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.920 lose fifteen kilos and I said, okay, well how much 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.040 way to be lost? So far on the journey because 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.079 they've changed all their habits, they've already lost five kilos 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.800 And I said, following kilos is a lot to lose, 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.080 and she said to me, or it doesn't, you know, 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:03.200 it doesn't feel like a lot. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:04.480 I've got a lot more to go, And. 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.559 I said, that is the equivalent of walking seventy thousand kilometers. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.560 Now I'm not very good at geography, but that sounds 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.840 like walking around Australia to me. If it's about two. 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.400 Thousand kilometers from here to Queensland, would that be right? 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:20.840 Yeah? Yeah, like that too. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.120 It wouldn't be to walk around Australia. That would be 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:25.800 That's a long way. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:26.120 Isn't it. 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.360 I don't know about I don't know about that. Seventy 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:29.839 thousand kilometers. 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:35.800 Well, so you burn fifty calories per kilometer. Each kilo 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:40.760 is seven thousand calories seventy. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.920 Seven Oh no, yeah, right right, So a pound of 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:48.280 fat is me do this? So akilo is seventy seven hundred. 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.439 A kilo is seventy seven hundred calories. 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.520 Yep, seventy seven hundred. 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.680 Yeah. The problem with this maths is I know where 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:01.080 you're going though. It's is that we burn different amount 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.840 of calories per unit of time, per distance. There's just 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.440 a lot of like me and TIF doing the same 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.960 thing won't burn the same calories because I'm twenty kilos heavier. 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:11.600 That's right. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.439 So at the end of the day, anyway, losing weight 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.720 is much much harder than people understand. But the thing is, 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.800 if you lose a lot of weight, you do change 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.800 your metabolic rate. So if you were eating eighteen hundred 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:29.080 calories or two thousand calories before, let's say you go 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.760 on this drug for five years and you drop your 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:36.040 twenty kilos. When you are twenty kilos less, your food 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:41.960 requirement is significantly less, your metabolic grate is significantly less. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.160 So are you prepared if you do or you don't 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.360 come off the drug. And most people hope to come 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.839 off the drug to have twenty five percent less food 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.760 for the rest of your life, knowing that if you 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.079 just eat good what you are eating now, you need 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.559 to have good, but twenty five percent less less than 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.319 that if you lose that much weight. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:06.160 And that was a real shock because when you think 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:07.520 you've got to your. 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.720 Limit of how good you can be and then you're 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.960 told you need twenty five percent less than that because 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.680 as your weight comes down, your metabolick great comes down. 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.080 With that, you need a lot less food. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.840 And is that the lifestyle you want to live for 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.080 the rest of your life, or is this number of 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.840 weight that you want to lose just a number. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:28.560 Is this just a fictional thing? 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.400 Are you actually going to be happy not eating much 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.160 at all and being really careful all the time. 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.680 Yeah, Look, it's complicated because also, you know, you get 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.680 a sixty kilo lady who's got very little muscle versus 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.920 Tiff who's sixty kilos with a lot of muscle on 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:52.440 same height, same weight. You know, female female got to eat, 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.440 gotta eat, got to move, got to sleep, got to 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.160 be a human, so Tiff might And even if they 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.680 had the same genetics, right, which ain't going to happen, 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.640 But and if they had the same genetics, but let's 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:08.520 say Tiff had exponentially more muscle, well her BMR, I 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:12.080 mean her just getting through the day with her normal activity, 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.800 and you know BMR could be three thousand calories versus 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:20.000 the other lady could be seventeen hundred, you know. And 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.120 so yeah, that's the other thing is you want to 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.720 keep you want to keep or build muscle as you 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:30.400 get older. And I know we're taking a left turn, 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.280 will come straight back, but you're listening to this and 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.600 you're forty or older and you are not lifting weights 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.960 or doing some strength training, then you are aging and 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.960 deteriorating at a rate that you don't need to. And 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:48.080 I'm not being melodramatic, but if you're not doing something 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.640 to hold onto your muscle or grow muscle and improve 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:54.880 bone density and function and mobility and all of these things, 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:59.440 there's an absolute inevitability of decline at a certain ish rate. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.040 But what we know is when you know, like I 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.200 don't know, like Kate, you're very fit and strong, TIFFs 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:10.080 biological age in terms of strength would have to be 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:15.440 like a twenty two year older lead athlete. Yeah, she's 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.760 forty two, and that's not and I don't even I mean, 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.600 you do have pretty good genetics, but but you train 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.800 like a motherfucker. So that's it. And apart from you know, 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.800 your cookie fetish, which we're putting you in therapy for. 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:34.080 But you know, would you take your calmps from your 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.080 cookie over your spaghetti bolonnais. I'd rather have the bowl 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.000 of bolinn Ai sauce and then have the cookie later. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.200 She'd have both. That's the dumbest question. 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:43.480 I don't know the amount. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.040 The thing is and I had to spend time realizing 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.040 this myself. Is the changes I made gradually over the 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:54.720 years towards a really great staple diet so that I 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.520 could have cookies like that and just knock myself out. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.160 It's like I didn't acknowledge that along the way until 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:02.920 I kind of looked at what other people ate all 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:04.600 the time. I was like, oh, I'd never eat that. 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.480 If I'm gonna eat that, I'm gonna have seven cookies. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:11.679 Yes, yeah, yes, yes, yeah, I hear you. Yeah, I 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:12.480 do think like that. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:16.000 I like Vanilla s license, but I wouldn't sit down 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.600 to like if I had Chinese, I wouldn't eat the 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.480 whole bowl of rice as well as the I don't know, 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:27.000 sizzling beef or whatever else, because if I wanted something Carby, 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:32.800 I'd take it as my treat, not as my Yeah, anyway, what. 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.080 About you the other Well, here's the other thing, right, 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.800 None of us three are representative of the average punter, 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.960 do you know what I mean. I'm not saying better 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.200 or worse. I'm just saying, you know, we all work 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.200 in the health at fitness Space, we're all professionals. We're 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.639 all a little bit mental and obsessed. Us three da 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:56.320 Let's be honest, you know, So the average person ain't 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.720 no Kate sab or Tip or fatty Harps. Right, that's 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:04.440 that's not the average person. So you've kind of got 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.639 to look through the lens of somebody who doesn't think 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.960 like you, or live like you, or to be able 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.680 to understand a version of their reality. It's like, I'm 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:20.119 fully aware when I talk about this to people that 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:26.840 I need to try to understand what is an effort 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.880 for them versus me, you know, because if I set 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.280 my mind something, that's it. It's like I can literally 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.919 change the fucking direction of my life in twenty four hours. 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.040 That's just how my brain works. You know. I can 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.920 have a realization and go, oh, I'm not doing that anymore, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.920 and then I don't do it anymore, like from that day. 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:48.439 But most people, and that's not because I'm bloody specially 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.040 or anything. That's just how my brain works. But anyway, 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.919 you sent me a message today, oh. 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.320 About the muscle though, you were saying, there's one important point. 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.800 They say your volume of muscle in your body is 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.320 directly related to your brain size. So if you are 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:10.119 losing muscle unintentionally because you're going through rapid weight loss 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.160 without a high protein diet and weight training a minimum 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.280 of three times a week, you will be depleting your 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:22.119 brain volume, not just your body. So damage is irrepairable 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:24.800 if you don't do it well, and some people do 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:28.080 do it well, but if you're going to put in 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:33.919 that effort, you know, it's consistency and it's every day, and. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:38.120 People don't yet, You're absolutely correct. People don't realize even 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:42.520 that lifting weights apart from the obvious, you know, bone 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.040 density and strength and muscle and body composition. Also muscles 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:50.439 metabolically active and so you know the same massive muscle 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.440 versus fat muscle needs more calories so you can stay 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.680 leaner with more muscle, which is a bonus. But also 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:05.480 it's actually lifting weights in proves cognitive function, mood, dopamine production, 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:10.320 blah blah blah. Like I yeah, I feel better every 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.440 time I lift weights, and not just from the satisfaction 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:17.119 that I did a thing, but literally my brain chemistry 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.160 is different and I actually feel happier. 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:23.639 There is actually a genetic predisposition as to whether you 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:28.760 should weight train or more endurance, and I'm someone who 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.080 gets more pleasure out of weight training according to this 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:33.240 genetic traits. 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.080 I've done the big comprehensive one. 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:39.400 I love running, and I thought I was the euphoric runner, 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.840 and that's where I got my dopemine. But genetically it's 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:45.119 actually from weight training, which is interesting. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:50.240 So I like great weight training, but I didn't. 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:55.840 Realize it's another way of that high that dopamine hit. 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.119 You should have a look at some stage, Tiffany and 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:03.200 Cook will tell you. So there's an organization called pH 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:04.480 three sixty is that what they're called? 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:04.720 I know? 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:10.760 And doctor Cam McDonald from Queensland. You know him, doctor 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:16.200 cam exos physiologists man about town. You'd like him, you too, 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:20.399 should have a chat, you'd connect. But he developed this 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:24.600 whole model him and a team of which tiff is 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.520 a coach and more knowledgeable and qualified in this space. 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:32.200 But basically where they look at how you should eat 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.520 and train and kind of training and training times and 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.280 types of food and the things that are going to 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.879 relax you or not relax you, all based on is 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:43.639 it five different smarter. 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:46.480 Types, six health types and then within that a whole 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:50.000 subset of different very amazing. Yeah, it's incredible. 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:52.000 Can you just say the six health types. 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:57.480 So there's an activator that's myself testosterone driven. There's activator 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:03.120 guardian crusader, censor diplomat and connector. 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:06.919 And what am I I feel like? 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:08.520 Am I a hybrid? 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:10.919 I feel yeah, I feel like you'd be like a 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:12.120 guardian or a connector? 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.719 Right, what does that mean? So it's a little bit, 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:17.439