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Speaker 1: Gobo's trunner Old three sixty Rugby League from every angle,

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Speaker 1: joining me again the great Gordon Tallis. It's been the

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Speaker 1: journals in Paul Crawley and Andrew Webster at Friday night

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Speaker 1: Footy on Fox. League is going to be one for

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Speaker 1: the ages. The Penrith Panthers taking on the Raiders with

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Speaker 1: the game that will be and of course the Melbourne

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Speaker 1: Storm taking on the Bulldogs. Gordy, how good a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of massive games, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I think for all four clubs they want to get

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Speaker 3: one up leading into the finals, but Penrith Penrith first

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Speaker 3: of raders. This is a real big challenge for the

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Speaker 3: Raiders and I think that they're up for it.

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Speaker 4: It's the best time of the year, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Like it's so long, origin's in the review mirror, it's

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Speaker 5: a distant memory now and now we get to that

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Speaker 5: time of the season where you get a chance to

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Speaker 5: see who is going to be the real contenders.

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Speaker 6: I think this is the first time in a long

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Speaker 6: lot of years that you've you know, you can't say

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Speaker 6: with any safety who's going to win it. And I'm

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Speaker 6: really interested in the Cambra Penrith game just in the

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Speaker 6: sense that Canberra haven't played a top eight team since

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Speaker 6: the start of June.

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Speaker 7: And that's not a Knockrickick.

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Speaker 6: But I'm interested to see exactly where there are against

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Speaker 6: the Penrith team that's pretty bruised after what happened last week.

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Speaker 1: It's good to see you wherever you traffic A bit of.

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Speaker 6: Traffic on the I got you like the professional I

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Speaker 6: am both if you are.

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Speaker 1: A professional, which is to come back to you on

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Speaker 1: what you just said. Haven't played a team in the

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Speaker 1: top eight for a long time now?

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Speaker 2: Is that a concern?

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's a concern, like we've got to

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Speaker 6: forget they remember they've also had probably two buys in

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Speaker 6: that time. But I just, you know, I want to

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Speaker 6: see how they go against one of the premiership threats.

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Speaker 5: I think the Raiders have proved us wrong all year,

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Speaker 5: Like who in their right mind at the start of

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Speaker 5: the season says they're going to be top four, let

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Speaker 5: alone top eight and they've led the competition.

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Speaker 7: Ricky.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if there's another coach out there who

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Speaker 5: could have done what Ricky has done with this squad,

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Speaker 5: the patience that he's had, the backing of the club's

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Speaker 5: chief executive Don Ferner and the board down there. They've

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Speaker 5: given Ricky the patient and the opportunity to bring this

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Speaker 5: side together brick by brick. They've brought these kids in,

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Speaker 5: They've they've got some senior statesmen there, but this is

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Speaker 5: their time to prove everyone wrong once again.

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Speaker 3: Have an important box for them to tick right. So

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Speaker 3: I reckon they'd be nervous. I reckon they'd be excited.

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Speaker 3: I reckon there's a bit of unknown because they're coming

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Speaker 3: up against a side that has won the last four

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Speaker 3: Grand finals. But you know they got a chance to

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Speaker 3: go there and they've built nicely. Every hurdle they've jumped

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Speaker 3: and as you said, you know I didn't have them

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Speaker 3: probably where they are now, but they're there.

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Speaker 2: So is the confidence real? We'll find out.

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Speaker 6: Penrith they're coming fired up after what happened last week

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Speaker 6: against Melbourne. I've never seen Penrith really complain as much

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Speaker 6: as they did last week. And you know it's a

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Speaker 6: fifty to fifty calls. I reckon I think it was

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Speaker 6: the right call. But regardless, I know what Penrith are

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Speaker 6: like and the professionalism they've got. They'll be fired up.

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Speaker 2: By what happened.

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Speaker 1: It showed how much Penish really wanted to win the game.

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Speaker 1: We'll delve into Penrith a little bit more later on

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Speaker 1: Arthur being written off by almost everyone. The Raiders are

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Speaker 1: on track to win the minor premiership. But Ricky Stewart

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Speaker 1: wasn't motivated by the doubts. Yea, the people had you

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but do you think they all know the game?

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Speaker 8: Do you think they did not know?

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Speaker 2: Who come down? Who came down, all.

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Speaker 8: Those people who said you were going to come last.

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Speaker 2: That's all.

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Speaker 8: It's good, it's a joke with me. It's all will

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Speaker 2: But do you use it?

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Speaker 8: No, not really. At the start of the year we

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Speaker 8: Not one of them come down and had a look

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Speaker 1: All right, So Ricky Ricky saying he's not driven by

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Speaker 1: they didn't see how we're preparing in the off season,

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Speaker 1: and you know anyone who knows Ricky, and I know

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Speaker 1: him well and played underneath him. He's driven by it,

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Speaker 1: and there's not that's not a bad thing. It's competitive,

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Speaker 1: clear as what.

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Speaker 6: In that same podcast he does go every time I

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Speaker 2: But that's what you got to do. And if that's

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Speaker 2: how they motivate, that's how they motivate. It's worked and.

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Speaker 7: That's how he coaches.

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Speaker 5: I don't honestly think in his wildness dreams, Ricky would

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Speaker 5: But I don't think he thought he would have been

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Speaker 5: leading the comp at this stage of the season. I

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Speaker 5: think they've exceeded their expectations. However, he also is a

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Speaker 5: winner and he knows how to get a team up.

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Speaker 5: He knows how to keep them on track. He loves

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Speaker 5: that club more than anyone, and this is his You know,

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Speaker 5: he's had what eleven years at at the club since

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Speaker 5: he went back in twenty fourteen, and his worked so

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Speaker 5: hard to make them to put them back on the

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Speaker 5: really well, you know what, we all saw the play

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Speaker 5: last year though, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: But they were young, they were young, but who we

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Speaker 2: We expected, but we watched them playing vague.

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Speaker 3: They had a really tough offseason and since then because

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Speaker 3: they make you pick the wooden spoon or bottom made

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Speaker 1: If anyone knows how small Premiership windows are in this competition,

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Speaker 1: it's Ricky Stewart, right, He's only had limited opportunities in

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Speaker 1: tough times there and he's rebuilt this Canberrat's team and

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Speaker 1: he sees an opportunity. And Ricky is an intense coach,

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Speaker 1: but he's one of the smartest. He's not the smartest

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Speaker 1: He gets really emotional. I think when you see how

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Speaker 1: it's a real good That's the best opportunity I've had

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Speaker 6: To me, I think what I said last week last

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Speaker 6: time was on it was. It's a great example of

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Speaker 6: what happens when your front office is patient and the

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Speaker 6: coach he's not coaching for his job, but coaching for

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Speaker 6: sustained success. Imagine all the times Ricky has been there's

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Speaker 6: been pressure on Ricky to get rid of him from

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Speaker 6: they are now? I don't think they would.

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Speaker 5: And look, they're up against a Penricide that's done much

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Speaker 5: the same in that they've they've grown this team into

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Speaker 5: the champion side it is. And that's what Ricky has

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Speaker 5: done here too. Because they've tried hard over the years

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Speaker 5: to get some Marquis signings. They just can never ever

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Speaker 5: get one over the line. But what he's done here,

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Speaker 5: he's gone out in hand picked individuals like Ko Wiggs,

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Speaker 5: you know, let go from Manly.

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Speaker 4: A few games at Manly, he's just jumped out of the.

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Speaker 1: Id strangers, which is turned out to be a master straight. Now, Cruels,

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Speaker 1: you've been in the lab, you've had the suit on,

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Speaker 1: you've fill You've found a weakness that may be a

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Speaker 4: I watch the Raiders closely every week, right as.

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Speaker 7: We all do.

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Speaker 5: If they have a weakness, it's in their right side defense,

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Speaker 5: and there's been question marks all season. And you look

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Speaker 5: at these stats, they they tell the story. On the

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Speaker 5: right side of the field, the Raiders have conceded thirty

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Speaker 5: four tries this year, which is which is their weakest

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Speaker 5: area on the field, and in comparison the Panthers on

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Speaker 5: their left edge they've scored forty five, which is their

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Speaker 5: most and I just think that that's where you know

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Speaker 5: this game could be won and lost. I do expect

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Speaker 5: the Raiders attacking wise, to keep up with the Panthers.

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Speaker 5: They're going to score points. They're going to score more

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Speaker 5: than enough points to win a game. But can they

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Speaker 5: stop the points? And that's the area that I think

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Speaker 5: that Penwrith will most likely go after.

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Speaker 2: The Panthers will.

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Speaker 1: They had the shits last week with that penalty given

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Speaker 1: against clearly Leoda Harry Grant. They want to bounce back

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Speaker 1: this week and they weren't happy with this and you

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Speaker 1: like it felt like this hit harder than ever before.

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Speaker 1: Nine wins in a row on a run. They thought

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Speaker 1: they had the game won and it really hurt them, didn't.

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Speaker 6: It was also off the back of trainer gate as well,

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Speaker 6: you know, so I think they feel like they don't

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Speaker 6: usually play with the chip on their shoulder Penrith because

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Speaker 6: they've been the full time Fern Premiers. But yeah, I

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Speaker 6: could just after that loss, it was very unlike Nathan

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Speaker 6: and an Ivan to talk of that, and that's no

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Speaker 6: disrespect to them, but you can see how much heard him,

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Speaker 6: you know truth, It was.

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Speaker 1: Just you could tell that they were really impacted by it.

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Speaker 7: That's as angry as the clear.

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Speaker 5: But you know what, I did scratch my head when

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Speaker 5: when they spoke about that and Ivan said to Nathan,

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Speaker 5: tell him what you really think, and he was in

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Speaker 5: no way was he really bagging Harry for milking the penalty.

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Speaker 4: But the rules are the rules, you know what. Like

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Speaker 4: it's the same with the trainers, it's the same with this.

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Speaker 5: If Moses Leoder doesn't put himself in a position that's

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Speaker 5: illegal to stand as a block before a field goal

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Speaker 5: and then he takes a step, then Harry's dive doesn't

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Speaker 5: have to be made. That's just what I just don't get.

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Speaker 5: The reason this rule changed was because of the Panthers.

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Speaker 5: They should know better than any You go back to

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Speaker 5: the twenty twenty one finals.

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Speaker 4: Series, that's when this all blew up.

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Speaker 5: Remember Bennett and of course Cleary had their big blue

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Speaker 5: over these.

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Speaker 6: So I've been gaming the system for the last three years,

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Speaker 6: so they know the rule.

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Speaker 5: And Craig on a blocker, Craig Bell, and he said

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Speaker 5: it last week when they were talking about the kicks

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Speaker 5: in the air and the players not allowed to.

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Speaker 4: Be being tackled, he said, well, them's the rules. The

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Speaker 4: rules are the rules.

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Speaker 1: That's how it is.

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Speaker 3: And the sad part is they got the best sharp

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Speaker 3: shoot behind them. Does he need that much protection? They've

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Speaker 3: got Tom Brady back there kicking them like I think

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Speaker 3: he might have got there even if Harry was had

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Speaker 3: a clear run to him, and.

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Speaker 2: He can go back another five minutes.

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Speaker 1: What I'll say is is though that first forty minutes,

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Speaker 1: They blew Melbourne off the park and they could have

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Speaker 1: Can the NERL police both of these? Everyone wants to change.

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Speaker 1: Everyone doesn't want to see this, that and the other.

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Speaker 1: But how and can they?

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Speaker 6: I can't believe the hysteria around the diving in the game.

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Speaker 7: I don't like it. But it's not like it's a

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Speaker 6: I go back and research stories and books, and you know,

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Speaker 7: It's not like it's a new phenomenon.

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Speaker 6: I just think it's obviously more relevant because the bunker

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Speaker 7: I'm all right with Harry Grant's one.

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Speaker 6: I think there's two types of diving, one where you're

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Speaker 7: I don't like that, But what do they doss mate?

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Speaker 5: I don't know what the NRL can do on this one,

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Speaker 4: That like seeing players stay down.

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Speaker 5: But this is will it is and it isn't Andrew,

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Speaker 5: because I've seen tackles like this, minor incidents result in

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Speaker 5: what I mean. So the referees between a rock and

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Speaker 5: a hard place, and so is the bunker. They're not

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Speaker 5: medical experts. They can't determine stop the game. But the

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Speaker 5: other problem with this, Gordon, and I'm telling you now

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Speaker 5: Buzz mentioned last night, didn't he where you could take

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Speaker 5: and you have got the replay. So if you were

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Speaker 5: crusher that should have been at that.

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Speaker 4: That team has been.

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Speaker 7: It wasn't.

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Speaker 5: He waited there for the for the video rep to

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Speaker 5: look at it.

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Speaker 4: Your heart watching the game.

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Speaker 5: But the referees and the and the bunker, they can't

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Speaker 5: ignore if there is foul, if.

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Speaker 6: The referee can't see that on the run, just let

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Speaker 6: That's how you end those type of that type.

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Speaker 2: There's been an injury since and in my area probably

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Speaker 3: They should describe the board move at two meters, play

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Speaker 3: on they did, and then that's what the doctors, that's

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Speaker 3: It's not for the referee to decide there.

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Speaker 5: And then well, it's actually for the players to decide.

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Speaker 5: But unfortunately it's never going to happen.

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Speaker 2: It in the mouth.

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Speaker 3: He sat there and kept on looking, looked like he

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Speaker 5: The problem is, Gordon, that a few years ago, and

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Speaker 5: it wasn't so long ago. I remember the Raiders were

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Speaker 5: the time, and Matt Lodge had taken a dive right

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Speaker 5: and he stayed down and he milked the penalty, and

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Speaker 5: if I remember correctly, it might have cost Camber the game.

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Speaker 5: And I remember after the game, Ricky was absolutely filthy

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Speaker 5: about it. He never encouraged his players to stay down,

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Speaker 5: the point he is right. If you don't do it now,

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Speaker 5: you do cost your Team's.

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Speaker 4: Just the reality.

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Speaker 6: I understand that's the that's the problem. But that's where

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Speaker 6: the NRL can change it. By not let the referee interfere.

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Speaker 5: Could you could penalize some of the players. I just

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Speaker 3: And then I'll stop milking it and I'll be like

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Speaker 3: Jaden Campbell and we go do you know what, in

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Speaker 3: the end, it wasn't really a penalty in the end,

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Speaker 3: and I'm a Titan and I'm thinking, okay, it would

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Speaker 3: have been one of the softest penalties in history. Did

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Speaker 3: he get him HiPE? Is that worth a penalty in

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Speaker 5: If yes, well, if the referee gets it on the run,

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Speaker 5: it is, mate, But the bunker can't come back and

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Speaker 5: rule on that because it's not a Sindy. The only

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Speaker 5: thing I'll say, and you know it, mate, if they

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Speaker 5: go that way, they'll be blow ups the other way

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Speaker 5: because the technology does show the replays and if there

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Speaker 1: We got to live. But really, had the solution last night.

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Speaker 6: There's certains I've never heard before.

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Speaker 8: Finish it.

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Speaker 1: He said that the players and coaches should be able

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Speaker 1: to work this out and just stop diving. It's quite

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Speaker 1: a much.

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Speaker 6: It's such a big, beautiful, welcoming rugby league, all agreeing

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Speaker 6: to help each other.

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Speaker 1: He didn't. Actually, he's so happy. A PM Friday Storm v.

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Speaker 1: Bulldogs at Amy Park. And this is a huge test

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Speaker 1: for the Canary Bulldogs and for Melbourne, but more so

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Speaker 1: now Jerome Hughes for Melbourne, the Dogs have named the

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Speaker 1: same team thoughts on this.

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Speaker 6: When I was on here two weeks ago, you said

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Speaker 6: he's got three weeks Cannabury to see where the Galvin's

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Speaker 6: at the right call ahead of Toby Sex.

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Speaker 7: How are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: What was up my week? We've got one to go,

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Speaker 2: We've got one.

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Speaker 1: Going to take this for that, I'm not gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to say it right now. I've got my thoughts,

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Speaker 1: but I want to see. This is a big game

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Speaker 1: in Melbourne. They've bounced back. The Dogs most.

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Speaker 6: Going to tell us your thoughts on the matter.

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Speaker 2: I'll answer it for you, I think they haven't improved.

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Speaker 3: They have improved, haven't No, And I think the Tigers

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Speaker 3: have improved once he's left, and I think and for

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Speaker 3: some reason it's not working them.

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Speaker 2: It's time.

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Speaker 3: And it's not to say that the kid's not going

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Speaker 3: to end up flotting then. But at the moment, would

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Speaker 3: you say the Dogs were better six weeks ago?

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Speaker 2: I would say yes, all right.

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Speaker 1: After a disappointing loss to the Roosters. Camera Serretro didn't

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Speaker 9: We've got a deep squad, We've got a lot of

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Speaker 9: good players that didn't play tonight. So if we don't

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Speaker 9: that does want to prepare to win.

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Speaker 10: But if the new look spine, of course, you know

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Speaker 10: it's still pretty early on with goalwin and Hayward at hooker.

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Speaker 6: How do you think the spine is gelling?

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Speaker 9: I think everyone was pissing in our pocket last week

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Speaker 9: about how good it looks, so not too concerned about that.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, when you lose possession, I think it was

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Speaker 2: It's pretty hard as a spine player.

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Speaker 1: Everyone was pissing in their pocket. Rules.

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Speaker 5: I smiled at it when he said that, because the

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Speaker 5: fact of the matter is the Bulldogs are ringing around

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Speaker 5: they did piss in their pocket.

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Speaker 6: So good seriously, And you know what I do think too.

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Speaker 5: And he spoke about changes, okay, And as you just said,

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Speaker 5: there is no changes, although entrepreneurs on the extended bench.

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Speaker 5: It's a massive test for the Bulldog's pack here. But

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Speaker 5: I do believe that Craig Bellamy won't get sucked into that.

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Speaker 5: They will go after Galvin like like the Roosters did

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Speaker 5: last week, like the West Tigers did the first week.

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Speaker 4: They'll run as much traffic as at him as that

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Speaker 5: And he's just a twenty year old kid walking into

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Speaker 5: the toughest six weeks of his life.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think. But when they won that game in

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Speaker 1: the wet, when they hadn't been winning in the web,

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Speaker 1: everyone was pissing in their pocket.

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Speaker 5: Of course they were because they deserve they deserve pray.

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Speaker 1: Do you not think if they come out and win

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Speaker 6: We'll say surround our geniuses forgetting But.

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Speaker 5: Only question marks about the Bulldogs after that performance. I

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Speaker 5: don't think anyone really is writing them off like I

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Speaker 5: think I think when the Bulldogs are on they're wrong.

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Speaker 1: There is anyone's writing them off just now. But the

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Speaker 1: jury is still out and you guys tend to believe

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Speaker 1: they haven't improved since they've got Galvin of the club.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 6: I think they're in bobbling, But to me they look

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Speaker 6: like a team with a new halfback about which should

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Speaker 6: be Instead of like six weeks into the season, it's

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Speaker 6: three weeks out from the.

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Speaker 1: Foot I mean that that's that That's the point here.

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Speaker 1: Was it too much of a risk? You know, because

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Speaker 1: it was such a controversial call, and even you know

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Speaker 1: with Bailey and Reed and we said it, we said

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Speaker 1: it last week. He's got he's got you know, he's

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Speaker 1: got balls. He's making a call in key positions only

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Speaker 1: weeks out from the finals when they're in one out,

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Speaker 1: one back, and so you know he's going to be

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Speaker 5: I think the biggest question that I certainly had was

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Speaker 5: not so much that Galvin hasn't got the talent, but

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Speaker 5: it's the experience and his age, you know, like he's

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Speaker 5: a twenty year old playmaker break and you would know

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Speaker 5: better than anyone how tough that is to go into

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Speaker 5: these big end of season games and throw the controversy

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Speaker 5: in on top of it, like.

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Speaker 4: The kid would have to be.

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Speaker 5: You know, he can have all the confidence in the world,

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Speaker 5: but there's going to be these nacking doubts and other

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Speaker 5: teams are going to really go after.

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Speaker 6: Him if they limp into the final. That's the question, Like,

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Speaker 6: is he going to stick with him with Toby Sexton.

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Speaker 6: I can't, I can't see I can't see them changing again.

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Speaker 1: Is the problem here that maybe Galvin was over hyped

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Speaker 1: at the beginning and the media around him and how

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Speaker 1: amazing he was and the best prodigy in the game.

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Speaker 7: And all that from him sign him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm just.

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Speaker 5: But that narrative Dust did when he came out and

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Speaker 5: said he's the best teenager I've ever seen, Like we've

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Speaker 5: all over many decades seen some bloody good teenagers come along.

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Speaker 5: I think he can and can you say Lachlan Galvin

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Speaker 5: is definitively even in the top group, let alone the

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Speaker 5: best of the best.

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Speaker 1: Exaggeration's top ten, Ethan Strange and guitar ahead of him

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Speaker 1: right now, like he might. So there's two right now.

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Speaker 5: Again, that adds the pressure to the kid which has

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Speaker 5: come from within, hasn't it.

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Speaker 1: But they got him, they did so.

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Speaker 3: They got him, but it wasn't broken. The thing for me,

441
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 3: if I'm a Dogs fan, if I put my dog's

442
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,480
Speaker 3: fan hat on, it wasn't broken. We were going along.

443
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,240
Speaker 3: We'll get in sixty thousand. The buzz was there, the

444
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,560
Speaker 3: drums were beating, and they changed what wasn't broken. That's

445
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,240
Speaker 3: the only thing you know in the perfect world. Mate,

446
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,919
Speaker 3: would they love to have waited till next year? Maybe

447
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,440
Speaker 3: we'll ask him at the end of the year.

448
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,720
Speaker 5: Well even after this week again, like this is a

449
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 5: huge test you're coming to against the storm who knocked

450
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,639
Speaker 5: the Panthers over on the weekend. Without Jerome Hughes, without

451
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 5: Ryan Papenhausen, the Bulldogs pack has been questioned, it's a

452
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 5: chance for them to go out and shut us all up.

453
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

454
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of I refer to guitar and

455
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 1: strange there because I have them elite and I have

456
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 1: them ahead of him at the moment. Where do you

457
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 1: guys see him at the moment? In terms of players

458
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 1: like Guitara and Ethan Strange. He is he is he close?

459
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 1: Like do you think he's is he in the same,

460
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 1: is he ahead of him?

461
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:31,159
Speaker 2: Where do you have him?

462
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 1: To me?

463
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,679
Speaker 6: He just looks like a very green halfback, but obviously

464
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 6: very skillful. For what it's worth on he moves so well.

465
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 6: I can I reckon it worked for him. I'm just

466
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,920
Speaker 6: not going to you know, it's just time. It's just time.

467
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:43,880
Speaker 4: I think they're different too.

468
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 5: Strange is just as tough as nails, isn't he Like

469
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 5: he's a he's a running five eight that would you know,

470
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 5: very different.

471
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 4: Play take on anyone.

472
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, And Lachlin in fairness, he's He's got a little

473
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 5: bit more skill and just a different style of player.

474
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 4: Qatar is just an out and outst.

475
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 5: Is beyond his years.

476
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 3: His short passing game is as good as any in

477
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 3: years to come back.

478
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 5: He could well be the best we've seen. The tempo

479
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 5: that he can play with his age is incredible.

480
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 1: I think other thing for Lochlin Galvin this weekend, get

481
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: your defense right, because his defense wasn't great on the weekend.

482
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: That's normally is a half way you build you your

483
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: attack off. You know, be physically against Melbourne. Build your

484
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 1: defense and keep it simple in attack, and I think,

485
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 1: I think it'll be fine. The DC drama rolls into

486
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: round twenty five and Maddie John's Zen Cooper Kronk have

487
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: identified some telling signs that the veteran halfback might be

488
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: getting close to the end.

489
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 10: He should be celebrated as one of the greatest Manly

490
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 10: Seagulls players of all time.

491
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 6: But there's one thing that you need to be able

492
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 6: to do as.

493
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 10: A halfback at the later stages is you need to

494
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 10: stay physical. And on the weekend there's a couple of

495
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 10: moments we're daily sort of removed from physicality. The ball

496
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 10: goes through here and daily as an opportunity to come

497
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 10: back through here on Thruver and missed him. You and

498
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,719
Speaker 10: I both know as a half once you lose that

499
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 10: physical nature, you're missing the contest. This one here, how

500
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 10: is a left foot run? The ball carry over Dewey's

501
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 10: score every day of the week. The advice to daily is,

502
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 10: if you want to play on, do whatever, but find

503
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 10: your physicality. Because I know the back end of my

504
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 10: career I limped to the finish line like getting a

505
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 10: whack squaring up the fenders wasn't enjoyable at thirty six

506
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 10: years of age.

507
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: Good analysis there from two of the best. We're going

508
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 1: to talk about the roosters. We're going to talk about

509
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: the decision, but let's touch on this first. Watching that footage,

510
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: listening to Maddie john Z and Cooper Kronk thoughts.

511
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 3: Well, when you've got someone like Cooper Kronk that they

512
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: think DC is going to be the Cooper Kronk of

513
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 3: what happened for him a couple of years ago.

514
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: He said he was limping to the line, And it

515
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: is true the.

516
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 3: Older you get, Like I wake up with a saw

517
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: neck from the pillow these days. So I couldn't imagine

518
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 3: being DCE No, Like I'm serious, like being DC thirty

519
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 3: six playing the Many game, three hundred and fifty game,

520
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 3: Like there is a day when you don't want to

521
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,719
Speaker 3: go to the collision you get injured gardening there you go.

522
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 4: What's so obvious, isn't it?

523
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 5: Like you you didn't have to be Maddie John's and

524
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 5: Cooper Kronk sitting watching that at home on the weekend

525
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 5: to know that daily he's just not interested in the

526
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 5: physicality at the moment and can he get that back

527
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 5: system back.

528
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: So that's what everybody's saying. Does a change there's a

529
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 3: color jersey change.

530
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 5: That, Attitude changes that, doesn't it?

531
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 2: Brand?

532
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 4: Does attitude change that?

533
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 5: Or do you get to the stage you're just falling

534
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 5: off the cliff.

535
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys have heard any of

536
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 6: the stuff that I have about what's going on manly,

537
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 6: but even if a fraction of it's right, it's a club.

538
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: In absolute what is it? Where do you come on?

539
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 7: I know it's a safe space, but it's we won't

540
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 7: tell anyone.

541
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 6: I was talking about. No, No, it's a it's a

542
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 6: club that's not happy. There's division between obviously Cherry Evans

543
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 6: and and Antony Mestro since the start of the year.

544
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 6: It's like all the platitudes that have been said in

545
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 6: the last few months. I think senior players, certainly, if

546
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 6: you listen to any of what you hear on the grapevine,

547
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 6: so many of those senior players have issues with Anthony Sebold,

548
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 6: you know, And that's just a fact. We all we've

549
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 6: all heard it. And I think from what I'm told,

550
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 6: management are more than aware of the players that are

551
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 6: saying it and openly say it and nothing's happening with

552
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 6: the fingers being pointed in the background towards you know,

553
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 6: saying that one player manager is responsible for this and

554
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 6: that when it's not right, it's like there's so much

555
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 6: turm all going on, manly, and if I'm Cherry Evans,

556
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 6: what would you be like, No, wonder you're struggling.

557
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: It's all that.

558
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 7: I think that's a factor.

559
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 6: Well, whether that's a factor when he goes to like

560
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 6: the roosters or not.

561
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: Really said that evidence was part of the doing, part

562
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: of this problem.

563
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 4: Barely what part of the problem though to mate.

564
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 5: But if we go back in time, this this all

565
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 5: started with DCE was at last November when he wasn't

566
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 5: offered a contract, right, and I heard you boys speak

567
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 5: about it last night, and the fact would mainly be

568
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 5: looking back now and thinking, well, we.

569
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: Made the right choice.

570
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 5: Well remember also that during an episode of NRL three

571
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 5: sixty when Cherry Heavens went on Arrival Network and spoke

572
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 5: about it, they then rang here in the count and

573
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 5: the counteroffer came through, you know what I mean, So

574
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 5: that to me showed that they conceded at that point

575
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 5: they had made a mistake. And then you talk about

576
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 5: the players, and it's no secret whereby and it's been

577
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 5: going on for months that they don't that they don't

578
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 5: necessarily it's not that they have a problem as I

579
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 5: understand it with Seabold as a blow no no, no no,

580
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 5: it's his coaching methods that they perhaps don't understand.

581
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 4: That's right, and it screws him up in the head

582
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 4: a bit.

583
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 5: And then you've got the boss of the club, it's

584
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 5: Goot Penn, coming out and basically saying, well, we're going

585
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 5: to back him. We know where these rumors are coming

586
00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 5: from and we're not going to.

587
00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 4: Fall for it.

588
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 5: To think, isn't that just sticking your head in the sand,

589
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 5: because twelve months down the track, are these players suddenly

590
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 5: going to jump on board with Sea Bol's coaching method

591
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 5: and it's all going to be well, I think if

592
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 5: it's not me, it's the players there that are struggling

593
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 5: to accept his Communication's going to get Someone will have

594
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 5: to give in the off season, because this was going

595
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 5: on a year ago too, heading into the finals, and

596
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 5: it's such a manly store like thing that they still

597
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 5: managed to go second week of.

598
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 6: The finals when there's something going on in the front

599
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 6: offices the football department seats to get it together. But

600
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 6: it's don't you think something's going.

601
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: To have to give.

602
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: I'm only listening to what you're telling me and what

603
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: other journalis are telling me who are in the know,

604
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: And if the senior players and the coach are not

605
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: on the same page, and regardless of whether DC moves

606
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: or or not, it ain't going to work. And you

607
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: know it ain't what's going to change. Seabay ain't going

608
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: to change the way he coaches. He coaches a certain way,

609
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 1: has done his whole career. What he's going to say,

610
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to throw all that out and

611
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: start again that Ian rebuild when he's only got one

612
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: more year anyway, because he wants to leave anyway and

613
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: be a head of football or whatever he wants to be.

614
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 5: To me, it's also it also comes across as a

615
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 5: bit of a matter of pride for the manly administration too,

616
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 5: because there was the messy exit with Dez and then

617
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 5: I remember clearly remember Christian Nicolousy from the SMHS wrote

618
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 5: a story at the time, I think it was their

619
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 5: first trial. It was in Gosford and they'd played like

620
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 5: twenty minutes and he said, you know, I thought, after

621
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 5: this short period of time, we can see that we've

622
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 5: got harmony back in the club, and it was.

623
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 4: Like they wanted to believe that. But here we are

624
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 4: three years down the.

625
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: Track was even in charge there, but Mestrov is in charge.

626
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: But he I'm here in his jobs on the line.

627
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: Has that been I actually haven't heard that. I heard

628
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: that the board were I no, No, I've heard.

629
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 6: I've heard there's factions of the board that think Scott

630
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 6: Penn has to take control of his club, and there's

631
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 6: others other others in the club who think that Tony

632
00:27:59,119 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 6: Metrov shouldn't be.

633
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,239
Speaker 7: The But I don't get it.

634
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 6: I've got the sense that.

635
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: The message it's hard to then make decisions on coaches

636
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: when there's instability at the top, right, So.

637
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 6: It's a bit of over shop, that's but you know

638
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 6: that's manly, Yeah, don't you reckon?

639
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 4: They need a coach that everyone can trust, is what

640
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 4: that they need?

641
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 2: Well? Who's that?

642
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 5: Well, Well, there's some good coaches around, and good coaches

643
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 5: I don't know enough about. But you hear about Willie

644
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 5: Peters and everything you hear about him is great.

645
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 4: And I've said it here previously.

646
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 5: I think Arthur would have been a good coach for

647
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 5: this club because he's been there before, he knows the politics,

648
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 5: He's proven that he can he can be the man

649
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 5: to lead a team from where they are and construct

650
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 5: it into a Grand Final side. There's good coaches out there, Gordon,

651
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 5: but they've got to trust someone to do it. And

652
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 5: at the moment there's that much division within that club

653
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 5: you can't see how it much itself out in one

654
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 5: more season.

655
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: Before we move on.

656
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: I want to track back to DC and we spoke

657
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: about it at last night. Have we got any more

658
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: information to tell us what's going on with him? Will

659
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: he be at the Roosters next year? Is it deal

660
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: or no deal?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Well, the word is that Dali Cherry Evans is trying

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Speaker 6: to reneg on a deal that apparently hasn't even been done,

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Speaker 6: so I expect him to be.

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Speaker 5: There daily is trying to reneg all the Roosters.

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Speaker 6: But earlier it was it was it was Dali Cherry Evans.

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Speaker 6: Remember earlier this year we're possibly trying to get out

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Speaker 6: of it. Now it's it's the Roosters. But I've been

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Speaker 6: told the Roosters will not be not be walking out

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Speaker 6: on it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it looks you'd be shocked if the Roosters have

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Speaker 5: come to some sort of agreement at some stage, if

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Speaker 5: they would back away from it. You wouldn't think they

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Speaker 5: would do that. However, there are ways out. If daily

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Speaker 5: Cherry Evans decides he doesn't want to play.

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Speaker 1: With you, well, I mean, what I'm hearing is that

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Speaker 1: the Rusters like, maybe they won't reneg on the deal.

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Speaker 1: But what I'm also hearing is the deal is nowhere

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Speaker 1: near the amount that people think and that'll all come out,

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Speaker 1: but it's nowhere So they're thinking they're getting in good

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Speaker 1: value for money and experienced half. And if you heard

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Speaker 1: any about the deal course the number, would you do it?

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Speaker 1: Would you do it? So just say, I'll give you

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Speaker 1: a scenario. If it's one year, five hundred kye and

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Speaker 1: that's it, would you do it?

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Speaker 5: I'd have serious questions at the moment. The reason I

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Speaker 5: say that is you've got Sam Walker, who was playing

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Speaker 5: out of his skin, being allowed to play the style

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Speaker 5: of football that suits him. Then next to him, you've

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Speaker 5: got a guy that almost perfectly compliments him at the moment,

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Speaker 5: in a twenty three year old five eight hugo Savala,

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Speaker 5: who has the strong kicking game, who has the strong

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Speaker 5: running game. He's at that stage of his career where

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Speaker 5: he'd want his opportunity to be now, not in another

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Speaker 5: twelve months. And if doubt daily Cherry Evans comes into

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Speaker 5: that side, Braith, does it affect Sam's play and then

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Speaker 5: does it affect your ability to keep Hugo Knowing there's

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Speaker 5: another kid called Rodwell waiting in the wings folve months

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Speaker 5: off breaking.

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Speaker 2: They have to be an amazing offseason.

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Speaker 3: He's going to train harder than he's ever trained, right

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Speaker 3: because look at the lockey Galvin taking a young kid

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Speaker 3: and they say it's a Roosters junior spot. Because Sam

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Speaker 3: Walker whose team it is? And if they're not successful,

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Speaker 3: he's going to point the finger is.

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Speaker 1: If you get him at that price around five hundred,

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Speaker 1: just like they did with Chad Townsend at three fifty.

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Speaker 1: It didn't work and it wasn't the end of the

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Speaker 1: world because it was only out three fifty five hundred.

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Speaker 1: They still got Sava there, They've still got Walker Bldwell

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Speaker 1: coming through. Even with Savari can play thirteen, he can

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Speaker 1: fill in for the halves.

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Speaker 2: If they're if they're out injury by five hundred.

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Speaker 7: See, I'm not entirely sure he's going as the Cooper Krong.

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Speaker 2: He's going as a six.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but I mean I think he's going as like

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Speaker 7: you're right like it. If it doesn't work, it is.

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Speaker 1: Different.

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Speaker 3: He's not totally different to He's not that change because

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Speaker 3: he was going there as the changes.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because no, he was going it's changes. The roosters

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Speaker 7: have told us.

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Speaker 5: How fifteen years daily Cherry Evans for fifteen years has

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Speaker 5: refined his game as the on the ball chief playmaker.

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Speaker 5: And then at thirty seven years of age he goes

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Speaker 5: to a rival club and suddenly become five eighth.

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Speaker 4: Does that work that?

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Speaker 7: Honestly?

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Speaker 6: It doesn't get.

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Speaker 2: Year.

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Speaker 7: You take him any days, don't you look? It's only

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Speaker 7: five hundred, all right?

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Speaker 1: See around journos And after thrilling twenty series, Australia take

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Speaker 1: on South Africa in the first Odie Ice tonight and

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