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Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christianami

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Speaker 1: it It's Thursday October two, twenty twenty five. Mushroom killer

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Speaker 1: Erin Patterson has a new lawyer. Prominent human rights barrister

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Speaker 1: Julian McMahon sc will take up the case as the

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Speaker 1: mother of two prepares to fight her convictions for murder

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Speaker 1: and attempted murder. Patterson was convicted of killing three elderly

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Speaker 1: Wellington laced with deathcap mushrooms at a family lunch In

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. State and territory leaders are in revolt

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Speaker 1: over proposed funding changes to the National Disability Insurance Scheme.

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Speaker 1: Premiers from across the country say they were blindsided by

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Speaker 1: the overhaul and they've blasted the federal government for leaving

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Speaker 1: public hospitals in a tight spot. Those stories alive right

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Speaker 1: now at the Australian dot com dot au. Beijing has

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Speaker 1: it out for Bhi. The Chinese government has reportedly slapped

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Speaker 1: a ban on iron ore from its mines in Western

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Speaker 1: Australia in hopes of getting a better deal on exports,

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Speaker 1: and it's got the bean counters in Canberra worried. Today

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Speaker 1: North Asia correspondent Will Glasgow joins me to unpack why

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Speaker 1: China is playing hardball on steel production. Every now and

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Speaker 1: then in this job you hear a number that absolutely

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Speaker 1: breaks your brain. Today.

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Speaker 2: It's this Australia's iron ore trade. Our exports of iron

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Speaker 2: ore to China are so enormous. They're worth one hundred

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Speaker 2: billion dollars. That's one fifth in every export dollar Australia

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Speaker 2: makes to the whole world.

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Speaker 1: Will Glasgow is The Australian's North Asia correspondent.

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Speaker 2: It's nothing comes close to it. Nothing keeps the Australian

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Speaker 2: Treasury up at night like this trade. And actually nothing

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Speaker 2: has been so comforting for the Australian treasury for the

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Speaker 2: last two decades as this incredibly lucrative trade.

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Speaker 1: China has been frustrated about the dominance of Australian iron

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Speaker 1: ore in the market for decades, and now Beijing has

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Speaker 1: dramatically up the stakes in the fight for a better price.

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Speaker 3: Shareholder nerves very high today is Beijing digs up trouble

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Speaker 3: for BHP and Australia's largest export commodity. There are reports

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Speaker 3: China has banned purchases of iron ore cargoes from the

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Speaker 2: It's very much a work in progress right where this

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Speaker 2: all lands. But what is totally clear is this very

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Speaker 2: very forceful negotiations going on right now, and they've got

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Speaker 2: pretty ugly. The Chinese want to pay less and get

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Speaker 2: BHP too, agree to longer term contracts at lower prices

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Speaker 2: than BHP wants to sell it for. BHP and the

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Speaker 2: other iron ore companies have always there. Their respons has

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Speaker 2: been let the market determine now again because of just

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Speaker 2: how oversize Australia is as a producer and China is

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Speaker 2: as a buyer. The international ion or trade basically it's

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Speaker 2: set by what China pays for Australian iron or. That's

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Speaker 2: the key determined and everything else cascades from that. So

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Speaker 2: what the Chinese are clearly trying to do. They've created

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Speaker 2: this company. It's like probably one of the most powerful

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Speaker 2: companies no one ever heard of before in Australia. It's

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Speaker 2: called the China. We had a China Mineral Resources Group

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Speaker 2: and if you haven't heard of them, you're in very

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Speaker 2: good company. But it was created by the Chinese a

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Speaker 2: couple of years ago. It's their attempt to consolidate the

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Speaker 2: buying that China does. So instead of having them all

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Speaker 2: negotiate separately their contracts with the Australian players, they want

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Speaker 2: the Australians to have to negotiate through this one point

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Speaker 2: of contact. It's got clear oversight from Beijing, and Beijing thanks.

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Speaker 2: It's policymakers think if we do this in a smart way,

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Speaker 2: we can use our buying power to get better terms

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Speaker 1: A handful of big Australian miners export iron ore to China.

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Speaker 1: There's BHP, Rio, Tinto, Fortescue and Handcock. Veil from Brazil

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Speaker 1: is our next biggest competitor.

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Speaker 2: So they're picked. BHP is the test case and they

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Speaker 2: you they'll be coming for Rio. They'll be coming for Veil,

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Speaker 2: the big Brazilian third player, and they'll be coming for

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Speaker 2: Fortescue and Hancock right now. The flip of that is Rio,

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Speaker 2: ford ESQ, Veil, Hancock. They will all be inn BHP's corner,

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Speaker 2: hoping that they can withstand this from the Chinese and

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Speaker 2: not buckle to this and just hold on that principle

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Speaker 2: that let the market determine it. The other thing that

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Speaker 2: most of that's going into China, they can then increase

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Speaker 2: That's what they hope. So it's all part of this

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Speaker 1: Do you understand how we got here? You've got to

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Speaker 1: go back to the mid two thousands when the global

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Speaker 1: the growing financial crisis, it was.

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Speaker 4: A manic Monday in the financial markets.

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Speaker 1: The Dow tumbled more than five hundred points.

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Speaker 2: What the pack is going on down here, I don't know, and.

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Speaker 4: That is the largest single day point loss ever.

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Speaker 1: China tried to rescue its economy through a massive stimulus

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Speaker 1: package that focused on construction. To build you need steel,

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Speaker 1: and to make steel you need iron ore. Enter Australia.

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Speaker 2: China had the Bizuoka response. This enormous stimulus effort within

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Speaker 2: China and Australia benefited like no other economy in the world.

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Speaker 2: But what it did was they built a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: It was very much an infrastructure led policy and it

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Speaker 2: rud government around twenty ten this thing blew up at

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Speaker 2: the anger from the Chinese. If you remember, there was

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Speaker 2: an executive at Rear Tinto Stern who a Chinese Australian

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Speaker 4: Suessmon Stern, who has been sentenced to ten years jail.

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Speaker 4: A court in Shanghai found him guilty of accepting bribes

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Speaker 4: and stealing commercial secrets while head of Rio Tinto's iron

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Speaker 2: But look the ins and outs of that case. Put

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Speaker 2: was behind it all was this fury from China. They

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Speaker 2: were paying so much, so much for this trade, and

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Speaker 2: they know. All of these companies release their data so

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Speaker 2: So the Chinese system just cannot believe what is going

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Speaker 1: Can China's steel production industry and by extension, its economy

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Speaker 2: Hold, yeah, well it certainly can't indefinitely, right unless China

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Speaker 2: us into a world where more than half of the

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Speaker 2: made in China by Chinese state owned companies, and that's

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Speaker 2: continuing even four years into this epic historic property slump

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Speaker 2: It's been a really extraordinary development. So I think I

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Speaker 2: think one of the reasons that Chinese are able to

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Speaker 2: because frankly, it's been a bit peculiar. How on earth

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Speaker 2: because there just isn't such screeching demand at all for

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Speaker 2: we'll say high stakes.

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Speaker 1: Coming up. What a fight over iron ore means for

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Speaker 1: Australia China relations. Asked about a band reportedly slapped on

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Speaker 1: Australian iron ore by Beijing, Anthony Albanezi said he's not mad,

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Speaker 5: Well, I am concerned about that, and of course we

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Speaker 5: have seen those issues in the past. I want to

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Speaker 5: China without hindrance.

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Speaker 1: Here's will Glasgow.

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Speaker 2: Quite naturally, when something like this happens, people think what's

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Speaker 2: it linked to in the bilateral relationship?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: And China's trained us sort of think that way. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's so political. They're very comfortable, as we in Australia

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Speaker 2: So if we go back, we did a spectacular experiment

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Speaker 2: in Australia with Chinese trade policy and use of trade

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Speaker 2: was putting coercive measures on various Australian products, they never

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Speaker 2: furious with the Australian government. Why is that, Well, they

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Speaker 2: don't have options. You know, Brazil doesn't produce enough. If

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Speaker 2: they blocked Australian iron ore, wow, they'd pay a lot

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Speaker 2: can so they could only do that by taxing themselves hugely. Essentially,

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Speaker 2: all this is happening as in Chinese state media right now.

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Speaker 2: They are putting up Australia as the poster child for

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Speaker 2: other Five Eyed countries, particularly Canada. They've just blocked canola

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Speaker 2: of Canadian canolar and rape seed, and there's reports that

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Speaker 2: they've finally, after years of blacklisting Australian rape seed, they've

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Speaker 2: just started buying Australian canola. And it looks all the

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Speaker 2: reports are signaling that to punish Canada for high high

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Speaker 2: tariffs they put on Chinese evs, they're going after Canadian

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Speaker 2: agricultural exporters. Back in twenty twenty, Australia's farmers were losing

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Speaker 2: This time around, Australia is the one benefiting from that.

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Speaker 1: Will Glasgow is the Australians North Asia correspondent. You can

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Speaker 1: read his reporting right now at the Australia dot com

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