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Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the Front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: A bonus episode of The Front for you today, fresh

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Speaker 1: from the Victorian Supreme Court. The secret details about Aaron

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Speaker 1: Patterson we've been fighting to bring you. A Victorian Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court judge has lifted a suppression order on the matter

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Speaker 1: of the King versus Aaron Patterson. The convicted triple murderer

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Speaker 1: was suspected of attempting to poison her husband's Simon multiple

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Speaker 1: times before she served of beef Wellington laced with deathcap

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Speaker 1: mushrooms to his parents, aunt and uncle. The jury didn't

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Speaker 1: get to hear about documents found on Aaron Patterson's computer

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Speaker 1: and a social media post that the Crown said pointed

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Speaker 1: to her guilt. Today, what the suppressed evidence says and

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Speaker 1: why it's been secret. In the studio with me is

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Speaker 1: journalist Ellie Dudley, who covered every day of this trial.

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Speaker 1: The information that is now able to be published change

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Speaker 1: is really the way we think about Aaron Patterson, and

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Speaker 1: it's been information that I've had in my head throughout

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Speaker 1: this trial. So of you because we listened to the

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Speaker 1: pre trial discussion and then we obviously listened to the

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Speaker 1: whole trial, including what was said in the absence of

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Speaker 1: the jury. Let's talk about what was heard in the

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Speaker 1: Victorian Supreme Court during the trial, but in the absence

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Speaker 1: of the jury. First, first of all, the cat post.

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Speaker 2: What's that. We've got to start with the cat posts.

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Speaker 3: So as part of the Victorian Supreme Court trial, we

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Speaker 3: heard a lot about Aaron Patterson's presence online. We know

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Speaker 3: that she had multiple Facebook accounts, she had a lot

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Speaker 3: of online friends, and there was a post that she

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Speaker 3: made on Facebook talking about how mushrooms had poisoned her cat,

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Speaker 3: basically an SOS post saying help, I've accidentally poisoned my

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Speaker 3: cat with mushrooms. Now, the bizarre thing about that post

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Speaker 3: is that Aaron Patterson didn't have a cat. So that

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Speaker 3: was something that came up in pre trial and then

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Speaker 3: again in trial, but was ultimately ruled out of the

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Speaker 3: trial and then didn't form any part of the evidence

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Speaker 3: that was heard by the jury.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the judge agreed with Council for Aaron Patterson that

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Speaker 1: the evidence of that post was a screenshot that had

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Speaker 1: been taken by someone else. The original post on Aaron

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Speaker 1: Patterson's phone, for example, hadn't been located. Of course, during

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Speaker 1: the trial, people who followed it will know that there

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Speaker 1: were a lot of phones going on. There were phones disappearing,

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Speaker 1: there were SIM cards being changed. Aaron Patterson's primary phone

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Speaker 1: has never been found by police, nor has her primary

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Speaker 1: SIM card. So this is a pretty significant thing that

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Speaker 1: the media knew, the lawyers knew, the judge knew, but

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Speaker 1: the jury didn't know. Of course, they convicted her anyway,

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Speaker 1: so this wasn't necessary for them to be persuaded that

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Speaker 1: she was a triple murderer. But this is a post

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Speaker 1: that she made about an imaginary cat who'd consumed some

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Speaker 1: ushrooms that seemed quite real, And why would she have

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Speaker 3: Well, the prosecution tried to get it into evidence again,

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Speaker 3: or they suggested that they might try to get it

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Speaker 3: into evidence again during trial. It came up in pretrol

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Speaker 3: thenage again during trial because they wanted to show that

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Speaker 3: she was obsessed with the poisonous elements of mushrooms. So

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Speaker 3: during trial, her defense counsel and her when she gave

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Speaker 2: Was interested in mushrooms.

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Speaker 3: She said that she read book abou Mushrooms, she went

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Speaker 2: But what the Crown wanted to show with this post.

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Speaker 3: Was that she was specifically interested in the poisonous elements

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Speaker 2: So that's why they wanted to get it into evidence.

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Speaker 1: So right up until the trial began, Aaron Patterson was

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Speaker 1: also facing charges of attempted murder relating not to Ian Wilkinson,

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Speaker 1: She was ultimately convicted of that, but this was in

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Speaker 1: relation to her husband, Simon Patterson. What did she allegedly

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Speaker 2: So she was facing.

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Speaker 3: Four attempted murder charges for attempting to kill her estranged husband,

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Speaker 3: Simon Patterson. Now those charges were ultimately dropped. It was

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Speaker 2: First day of trial.

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Speaker 3: The judge said to them, you know, you might have

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Speaker 3: And that is.

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Speaker 2: All the jury heard about in pre trial.

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Speaker 3: A lot more information relating to those attempted murder trials

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Speaker 3: So yeah, really serious things. And so then when he

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Speaker 3: Patterson has killed my family. She's poisoned my family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was very suspicious that his wife was trying

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Speaker 1: of these instances. There was a curry rap which is

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Speaker 1: I will never be able to eat a curry up again,

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Speaker 1: because you know, he suffered quite badly. He was very

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Speaker 1: Patterson suspected this of Aaron. He was invited to the

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Speaker 1: Mushroom lunch. He sent her a text message of the

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Speaker 1: but he did watch his mother and father, Auntie and

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Speaker 3: No, no, And when he was giving evidence, he said

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Speaker 3: of his life to not attend and this lunch. The

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Speaker 3: other thing that was interesting from pre trial is that

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Speaker 3: evidence was given by the daughter of Ian and Heather Wilkinson,

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Speaker 3: There was also evidence given in pretrial that Simon had

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Speaker 3: that he had had falling ill after eating these meals

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Speaker 3: that Aaron Patterson had prepared for him. He had changed

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Speaker 3: his end of life plans to exclude Aaron Patterson because

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Speaker 3: he had been concerned that she was.

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Speaker 2: Trying to kill him.

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Speaker 3: So incredibly interesting evidence, evidence that would have been quite

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Speaker 1: Coming up after the break the media's frantic efforts behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes to bring you this information? Why did the

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Speaker 1: judge make that suppression order?

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Speaker 3: So the interim suppression order was made to protect a

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Speaker 2: That would mean that if Aaron Patterson decided that.

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Speaker 3: She wanted to appeal the guilty verdict and that could

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Speaker 3: When that interim suppression order was announced by the judge,

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Speaker 3: there was a frantic scramble with journalists in the room.

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Speaker 2: Morewell, we all immediately.

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Speaker 3: Hopped on the phone with our lawyers to say, hold on,

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Speaker 2: Can he do this? And in the end he could.

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Speaker 2: It's very unusual.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of anything like this happening before, because

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Speaker 1: This says, if someone is found guilty, then of course

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Speaker 1: the jury's verdict was unsafe, that there was some sort

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Speaker 1: But any future trial would be a very long way

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Speaker 3: And as part of that, I think it was part

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Speaker 3: You're reporting on a trial like this, you get asked

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Speaker 3: And we had access to so much more information than

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Speaker 3: So all the way throughout I thought, if she gets off,

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Speaker 1: She really nearly did get off. I mean I think

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Speaker 1: which I think she made an absolutely catastrophic performance, she

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Speaker 3: What did you make of the six days that it

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Speaker 1: Oh? I mean after day one I was thinking, okay,

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Speaker 1: juries are struggling. They'll come in and ask a question

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Speaker 1: like what can we make of the evidence about dumping

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Speaker 2: For example?

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Speaker 1: They didn't ask a single question. I was wondering, is

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Speaker 1: there one hold out who they were all trying to persuade,

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Speaker 1: of convinced myself that she was going to be acquitted

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Speaker 1: after all of that time.

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Speaker 2: Did you Yeah, I was in the hung jury camp.

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Speaker 3: I thought that there might be, you know, a few

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Speaker 3: members of the jury that were just saying, I just

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Speaker 3: end up in that position. But now we wait her sentencing.

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Speaker 3: So we wait her sentencing. We're going to have sentencing hearings,

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