Speaker 1: I want the fairy tale. I want the prince charming.
Speaker 2: She how do I put this? Isn't a fan of
Speaker 2: my kissing style.
Speaker 1: With the boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours. He's
Speaker 1: in a trash bin. He's non recyclable catching them up.
Speaker 2: I loved being in love. I love love.
Speaker 1: On today's episode of Where's Your Head At, we are
Speaker 1: joined by Claire from this season of Married at First
Speaker 1: Sight Australia.
Speaker 3: We'll ask Claire about her relationship with Jesse, the kiss
Speaker 3: with Adam, and her thoughts on the Red Flag Harrison.
Speaker 1: We will also ask her about her time on the show,
Speaker 1: which couples she thinks will last the distance, and who
Speaker 1: is maybe there for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 2: Stick around to hear all the mass goss.
Speaker 1: Where's Your Head At is a podcast that talks all
Speaker 1: things relationships, breakups, reality TV, trending shows, and everything in between.
Speaker 2: This is your new go to destination for laughs, gossip,
Speaker 2: intimate details, advice and much more.
Speaker 3: Hello Claire, Welcome guys, thank you for having me, Thank
Speaker 3: you for coming in.
Speaker 1: I sold you're at Melbourne Fashion Week.
Speaker 4: I was that was so much fun. I've never been
Speaker 4: to anything like that and I was invited by Jimmie
Speaker 4: as a party and he said would you like to join?
Speaker 5: And I was like, but what will I wear?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: But I had such a great time and I met
Speaker 4: some pretty cool people and it was crazy like watching
Speaker 4: people that you sing on TV that you're like fangling
Speaker 4: over coming up to you and fangling you and it's
Speaker 4: like another picture with you.
Speaker 2: I didn't you did it?
Speaker 4: You kept it cool. Cool.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to keep that up to date with math.
Speaker 1: He drags his feet a little bit, just.
Speaker 3: So I've watched enough. So I binge watched enough of
Speaker 3: you literally your scenes, and just for this interview because
Speaker 3: because I wanted to be on top of everything.
Speaker 5: But there's a quiz after this.
Speaker 3: I won't pass that. I've never passed the quis in
Speaker 3: my life. But yeah, it just gives me anxiety some
Speaker 3: of the stuff on.
Speaker 1: There, like it's stressful to lot.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, my anxiety was flaring because I was
Speaker 3: watching it in the Sydney Hotel and I was like,
Speaker 3: fucking this.
Speaker 5: I was like, was it sky Sweets by any chance?
Speaker 1: I'm sure you would have PTSD.
Speaker 4: I actually kept a few things from my time on
Speaker 4: Maths and going through them and I saw my little
Speaker 4: sky sweets pass. Oh, I just shut it, like I
Speaker 4: will never go there again. No, in all honesty, like
Speaker 4: there were some bad moments, but there was never any
Speaker 4: bad days. Like I really enjoyed my time. And I
Speaker 4: would do it again in a heartbeat. Like if they
Speaker 4: called me and they're like, ship, we forgot to press record,
Speaker 4: we've got no content, you need to.
Speaker 5: Come back, I would, Yeah, I'd go back.
Speaker 4: No problems that you love the experience, Yeah, I really did.
Speaker 4: I think that if you surrender control and you you know,
Speaker 4: just have a bit of positive energy about you and
Speaker 4: show some resilience, I think you and take it too seriously.
Speaker 5: You just have fun with fair I think.
Speaker 2: You know it's all bad, all high anxious situations that I.
Speaker 4: Took a chill field.
Speaker 1: She's a very chill person. Like she's got her crystals
Speaker 1: with her huge day. I really appreciate that rubbing the crystal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, just for context, I was like twenty minutes late.
Speaker 1: Checked it was okay. I was the latest I've ever
Speaker 1: been to the podcast. Got stuck in some like very
Speaker 1: bad at traffic and arrived here and the energy was
Speaker 1: quite coming.
Speaker 3: Thank you well Claire and me had we've been had
Speaker 3: a fit of time to chat and she's brought her
Speaker 3: angel cards, so fairy card, her fairy card. Sorry, and
Speaker 3: I had a fairy card reading.
Speaker 1: So how did you find that? Matt?
Speaker 2: What were they again?
Speaker 4: You sexuality in a child, stand your ground and peace
Speaker 4: of mind?
Speaker 2: What do you think about them?
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty spotif, but I love it. You
Speaker 1: also have brought some little mementos for your time in Math.
Speaker 4: I did, this is my journal, so I've even got
Speaker 4: it like ingraved.
Speaker 1: So cute, says Math.
Speaker 4: But I wrote I wrote in this nearly every day,
Speaker 4: just like how I was feeling at the time, and
Speaker 4: you know what was going on, and you.
Speaker 1: Know, oh my god, you want to read it? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh I didn't enjoy that. And then the next night
Speaker 4: I just got more weird. After Voxy, I cried and
Speaker 4: explained how sad it made me to feel shut down. Oh,
Speaker 4: he just became a different person and shut down completely.
Speaker 4: He went to bet at eight thirty, no words or explanation.
Speaker 4: It's now nine am and he's still asleep. We just
Speaker 4: went paddleboarding. Oh. I actually haven't read back on this.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll do a memoirs memoirs, but no, I brought
Speaker 4: a few things.
Speaker 3: I love this as I'm very sentimental myself, so sentimental
Speaker 3: like keipt on.
Speaker 4: My boarding passers. Bronti and I went and got a
Speaker 4: tattoo together. We all got like Bronti, Sandy Lindle and
Speaker 4: I all got an ex mine kind of got infected
Speaker 4: and scabbed off. So I don't know if that was
Speaker 4: the token.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a sign everyone, that's a business card.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like that was the tattoo there was
Speaker 2: where is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who got the X?
Speaker 4: So Sandy, Bronti, myself, Linda already had it and we
Speaker 4: spoke about it at the hands and we thought ten
Speaker 4: girls season ten Romanum or X for ten, let's all
Speaker 4: do it, you know, unite us. And he did cause
Speaker 4: a bit of a divide. They didn't show that, but
Speaker 4: there was a few girls that were a little bit
Speaker 4: offside about that and thought that there was a bit
Speaker 4: of a group.
Speaker 5: But it kind of wasn't playing.
Speaker 4: Like Sandy went on her own. We all just said
Speaker 4: let's go and do it. And it happened to me
Speaker 4: that Brontie and I one day were like, let's go
Speaker 4: to Manly. We'll catch the ferry across and there was
Speaker 4: a tatoo shop. Should we go get this? Should we
Speaker 4: go get the X tattoo? And we just did it.
Speaker 1: So wow.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately mine did get infected.
Speaker 1: And that is a bad omen.
Speaker 2: Are you going to get it touched up?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think I will.
Speaker 5: It's still like it still means like something and it's
Speaker 5: quite nice.
Speaker 1: So totally. How long ago did you film maths?
Speaker 4: My wedding was on the thirteenth of August year, so it's.
Speaker 5: Been a while.
Speaker 4: And I got back home like the tenth of November
Speaker 4: or the eleventh of November.
Speaker 2: It's a long time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've had time to.
Speaker 4: Kind of be compress and you know, reevaluate our lives.
Speaker 3: Is that time in between really weird between before it is?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is super weird. It's like in limbo. Yeah,
Speaker 4: do I go back to a full time job? Do
Speaker 4: I What am I doing with myself? What did I
Speaker 4: just experience?
Speaker 2: What are they going to do with the editor? Even?
Speaker 4: Yeah, even that, like you kind of worry, you know.
Speaker 4: Obviously I did what I did and I was like, fuck,
Speaker 4: am I going to be just like completely slut shamed?
Speaker 4: Am I going to be marked with this? Awful, like
Speaker 4: cheating person, you do worry a little bit, and so
Speaker 4: I didn't want to go back to working in a
Speaker 4: childcare center if I do do that, and then parents
Speaker 4: are like, oh, you know, I don't feel comfortable with
Speaker 4: you being, you.
Speaker 5: Know, around my child, around my husband.
Speaker 4: Or you know, you just think all these intrusive thoughts
Speaker 4: are like stressing you out. But honestly, it's been it's
Speaker 4: been really good. I feel like so much love since
Speaker 4: I've been back home and since it's good and if
Speaker 4: anything has given me more confidence in myself and like,
Speaker 4: if you are true to yourself and you're authentic and
Speaker 4: you mean what you say, and you say what you
Speaker 4: mean and you own your shit, then no one can
Speaker 4: ever hold it against you.
Speaker 1: Agree.
Speaker 2: That was my mentality when I went on Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, was there a part of you that thought that
Speaker 1: potentially you could get the villain edit because of the cheating.
Speaker 4: To be honest, no, because I know what I'd said
Speaker 4: and I know how i'd handle myself. And if I
Speaker 4: sat back going yeah, but Jesse, you said this about
Speaker 4: me and you treated me like this and created excuses
Speaker 4: for my behavior similar to.
Speaker 5: Adam, then absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 4: But I feel like I didn't do that, and I
Speaker 4: feel I'm so proud of myself the way I did
Speaker 4: handle it.
Speaker 5: And I don't think I've ever seen any man or any.
Speaker 4: Guy on any reality TV show who's made a mistake
Speaker 4: own it the way I did. And I think that
Speaker 4: if I was a guy doing and speaking the way
Speaker 4: I did, I would be so much more like glorified
Speaker 4: and being like, how amazing, this amazing guy has taken
Speaker 4: such accountability. But I don't know, maybe I'm still playing
Speaker 4: that male female card, but I feel like as a female,
Speaker 4: you are more put down and you still are like, yeah,
Speaker 4: but once a cheater, always a cheater. She did that,
Speaker 4: So that is a little internal battle I kind of
Speaker 4: think about sometimes.
Speaker 2: On that have you cheated in previous relationship?
Speaker 4: No, I've never cheated in a relationship. I've been cheated
Speaker 4: on a lot, much nearly every relationship that I've had,
Speaker 4: or I've only really had three, but all three of
Speaker 4: those I was cheated on.
Speaker 5: And it really fucks you up.
Speaker 4: But it makes you feel not good enough and it
Speaker 4: makes you feel not validated, And so I could really understand,
Speaker 4: like watching Jesse on the couch next to me become
Speaker 4: like a shell of himself. I could really resonate with that,
Speaker 4: because I'm like, shit, I remember feeling that way.
Speaker 2: What made you kiss Adam? Then? Like, why did you?
Speaker 4: Honestly? Like, I think, if I'm really honest about it,
Speaker 4: I think that I'd only spent eight or nine days
Speaker 4: with Jesse, and in that time, he didn't make me
Speaker 4: feel good. He didn't like me, he didn't like my personality,
Speaker 4: didn't like my hobbies, he didn't like how I spoke,
Speaker 4: he didn't like what I had to say, and I
Speaker 4: didn't feel I didn't feel good. And then I met
Speaker 4: Adam that night out and he was like, You're so funny,
Speaker 4: You're so beautiful, You're hilarious.
Speaker 5: I love how out there you are.
Speaker 4: And I guess all those things that I wanted to
Speaker 4: hear from Jesse I heard from Adam, and I kind
Speaker 4: of felt he's a charming guy. He's charismatic, he's good looking,
Speaker 4: he's got this cool accent, and I'd kind of fell
Speaker 4: for it.
Speaker 5: And I allowed myself to kind of be drawn in.
Speaker 4: And maybe that's me seeking validation from something outside of
Speaker 4: my relationship when I'm not happy and completely.
Speaker 5: Not right at all.
Speaker 4: But you know, there wasn't so much to it. You know,
Speaker 4: there was no let's go out after, there was no
Speaker 4: phone call, phone conversation.
Speaker 5: We weren't on the phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna ask.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was literally a passion dash.
Speaker 1: So what was your mindset? Because I've had so many
Speaker 1: like debates about this with my fiance, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I just don't Yeah, we do love it, and I
Speaker 1: told you to watch it too. We should be having anyway.
Speaker 1: And like I was kind of under the impression that
Speaker 1: obviously you're married at first sight, right, and like as
Speaker 1: a viewing public, people take it very seriously. They're like,
Speaker 1: they are married whatever, whatever, whatever. But in my mind,
Speaker 1: I was like, it doesn't seem like in your head,
Speaker 1: you're like in the headspace of I'm married in that moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess you're right.
Speaker 5: And you know, we were the first couple to get married.
Speaker 4: So we got married, We had a seven night honeymoon,
Speaker 4: eight days we're away, and then we come back for
Speaker 4: eight or nine days and we're completely split, so we
Speaker 4: have to wait for everybody else to get married and
Speaker 4: everybody else to own their honeymoon. So we had these
Speaker 4: eight or nine days together where it ended really badly,
Speaker 4: and then we don't have each other's number.
Speaker 2: We don't speak, so you don't talk to.
Speaker 4: Me, you don't talk. Then I'm in my own hotel
Speaker 4: for nine days, he's in his, and then we come
Speaker 4: back in skysweets.
Speaker 1: Wait, so how long was how long?
Speaker 4: Were we like an eight day gap between before us
Speaker 4: getting reunited again?
Speaker 2: Are you like our communication to the outside world.
Speaker 4: Well, you've got your phone, yeah, so you can. I
Speaker 4: could call my mum, my sister. You know, that's all good.
Speaker 4: But I hadn't sprang to him, and we left it
Speaker 4: really badly, like we left our honeymoon not speaking. It's
Speaker 4: not for me. This guy's really awful. And then we
Speaker 4: got reunited. You know, we're like going into the first
Speaker 4: dinner party. I'm like, I want to go and see him.
Speaker 4: I don't want to go into the first dinner party separate.
Speaker 4: It's not setting us up for success in this experiment.
Speaker 4: I want to speak to him. Like, we don't have
Speaker 4: each other's number, we couldn't text. So that's when I
Speaker 4: went to his hotel room and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 4: well I'm going to try here. Even though he was
Speaker 4: really mean to me, I'm still going to try. And
Speaker 4: that's when he was like, nah, I don't chase chicks
Speaker 4: and that that really really hurt me bad, like.
Speaker 2: That Jesse reckons he doesn't chasee chicks.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I went back to him and he's.
Speaker 2: Like, I think he should.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That really upset me more than anything because that was
Speaker 4: me showing up. That was me going okay, Well, we
Speaker 4: didn't speak for the last three days and our honeymoon.
Speaker 4: You're pretty mean to me. In your vows, you said
Speaker 4: I respect kindness and as a kind person. We are
Speaker 4: on a very small island for four days. There's one
Speaker 4: breakfast buffet, like you've seen me hard. It's awkward.
Speaker 5: And I said, look, why didn't you just come and
Speaker 5: say like are you okay?
Speaker 4: Sorry? I may have been a bit hush, didn't mean that,
Speaker 4: and I would have been like it's all good like.
Speaker 1: So it was like a Mexican standoff at the island.
Speaker 4: Essentially, I'm on like on one side, he's on the other.
Speaker 1: So that's three days and then there's an eight day
Speaker 1: gap where you don't talk. That equates now eleven days.
Speaker 1: There was a small conversation at Sky Sweets where you
Speaker 1: were like, hey, let's.
Speaker 4: Clear the air.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there he was like, nah, a bit of backlash
Speaker 1: from him, and then.
Speaker 4: We went straight into the dinner party that night. So
Speaker 4: the morning I went and saw him, he was like,
Speaker 4: I don't chase chicks.
Speaker 5: Then we go to the dinner party that night and
Speaker 5: it was just awkward.
Speaker 4: It was That's when I met all the other husbands.
Speaker 4: That's when we all got together and talked about our wedding.
Speaker 1: Okay, so first impressions of Adam in that dinner party scenario,
Speaker 1: because obviously in your headspace at the moment, you're off Jesse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you tried again, you put the olive branch out. He's
Speaker 1: kind of rejected it in a way.
Speaker 4: It's just like if it was a day on the
Speaker 4: outside world, we never would have seen each other.
Speaker 1: Agin And this guy's run into me.
Speaker 4: He's a bit alternative, which is cool, Like that's fine,
Speaker 4: but there's no point in pursuing someone who doesn't want you, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I took that as a big like no. And that's
Speaker 4: the thing. I don't feel like I had a chance
Speaker 4: with Jesse from day one. I feel like he had
Speaker 4: in his mind shut me out completely. It was like, no,
Speaker 4: this chick's not for me, she's too much, too loud,
Speaker 4: you know, even sitting on the honeymoon. You're super independent,
Speaker 4: you've got your shit together and not all really good things.
Speaker 4: But he's like, I'm scared that you're going to become
Speaker 4: bored of me and I'm going to become really needy.
Speaker 4: And in that moment, I realized that that's his insecurities
Speaker 4: and he's a super insecure dude.
Speaker 1: And that was a sad moment.
Speaker 5: It was really sad, it was.
Speaker 4: But also, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know your responsibility.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure not with any offense, but I came
Speaker 4: and wanting someone who can be on my level, who
Speaker 4: can be like, let's be in that driver's seat together,
Speaker 4: not someone have to like kind of carry along with me,
Speaker 4: Like that's not what I want in a relationship lit atlone,
Speaker 4: a marriage, you know.
Speaker 1: So let's go back to the dinner party. Was they're
Speaker 1: flirting at that dinner party with Adam because obviously then
Speaker 1: you've gone out and made out. Was what was like
Speaker 1: the vibe with you guys?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 5: To be honest, she didn't really like Adam.
Speaker 4: Oh really the first time I met him at the
Speaker 4: dinner party, and you know when you talk to someone
Speaker 4: and their eyes are over there, and they're like, yeah, huh,
Speaker 4: they're like worried about what's happening over there. I found
Speaker 4: him like really hard to speak to you.
Speaker 5: I'm like, this guy's don't.
Speaker 4: Even listening to me when I'm speaking.
Speaker 5: So I didn't vibe.
Speaker 4: Him at all. And when we did the attractive photo challenge,
Speaker 4: I actually put him last.
Speaker 1: Actually, I think I remember that.
Speaker 2: They didn't know.
Speaker 4: They didn't show Jesse and I for some reason maybe.
Speaker 2: Done that purpose.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe, but I put I put Adam last. Funnily enough,
Speaker 4: So these.
Speaker 1: Are things that as a view as a viewer, we
Speaker 1: needed to say why. I think I remember that, and
Speaker 1: I think I'm thinking of a different couple.
Speaker 5: They showed it super briefly.
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, let's do this, and then they
Speaker 4: get to cut it completely, like I put Jesse first
Speaker 4: and I put Adam last.
Speaker 2: Which is pretty fun before after the makeout.
Speaker 5: This is before, way before the makeout.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then Jesse actually put me fifth, which I
Speaker 4: got a little bit offended at because the whole time
Speaker 4: he was like, oh, I'll give you a go only
Speaker 4: because you're hot. Oh you're so hot, you're so hot.
Speaker 4: But then put me fi. So they show that they
Speaker 4: didn't show it. He put Janelle first, tany I think
Speaker 4: he put Sandy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't even remember, but he.
Speaker 4: Put me fear.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, look that's a great segue because recently there
Speaker 1: has been rumors that Jesse and Janelle have something going on,
Speaker 1: And what's your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4: Oh, look, if that's if that's true, and it's not
Speaker 4: a staged thing, which I have heard rumors that it
Speaker 4: was just for let's get a dialogue happening, I'm not
Speaker 4: really sure. I haven't asked them obviously, don't speak to
Speaker 4: Jesse right now, and I haven't asked you now, But
Speaker 4: super happy for them. I mean, if you know they're
Speaker 4: both in Perth, they are quite similar in some aspects,
Speaker 4: So yeah, I would be wrap for them. If they've
Speaker 4: found love from that in that scenario, then that's really
Speaker 4: that's actually really cute and that's quite sweet. I'd be
Speaker 4: wrapped for them. But yeah, I've heard some whispers that
Speaker 4: it was just like, let's get some talk happening. Not sure,
Speaker 4: but either way.
Speaker 2: What's your usual type? It's Jesse your usual.
Speaker 4: Both of them are. To be honest, I've only really
Speaker 4: ever dated like wog boys, you know, like Greek Italian.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I've really only kind of been with Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I would say so both super different. But when I
Speaker 4: first saw Jesse, I was like, this is cool. Like
Speaker 4: if you can rock a man bun in a pink
Speaker 4: suit and tats, I'm like, that is a vibe. You're cool.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 5: What are you about? I want to know more?
Speaker 4: So I was super intrigued, and first incident, I was
Speaker 4: supertracted to him. I was like, this is gonna be cool.
Speaker 4: But then as I started to see the way he
Speaker 4: was talking about me and like the way he was behaving,
Speaker 4: I was like, maybe not. And the more like I
Speaker 4: look back now and I'm honest with myself, I kind
Speaker 4: of reflect on how he was. I realized that he
Speaker 4: did not really give like anything to the relationship. I
Speaker 4: don't feel like he showed up for me in any capacity.
Speaker 4: I can't look back and say he actually did this
Speaker 4: for me. I feel like I really carried everything. I
Speaker 4: did so much for him. I made him feel good
Speaker 4: other than obviously cheating on him, Yes, but I work's
Speaker 4: really hard to listen to him and know what he's
Speaker 4: into and what he likes, and I just don't feel
Speaker 4: like I don't feel like he knows my sister's name
Speaker 4: and it's really tattooed on my arm, do you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like, I just don't feel no effort,
Speaker 4: no, no like. And as a viewer, I don't think viewers
Speaker 4: see any effort put in by Jesse.
Speaker 3: That's pretty silly. You're going on this show, you should
Speaker 3: put effort into the personal.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know, I thought. I as a viewer,
Speaker 1: I have to like, I think I saw like a
Speaker 1: bit of back and forth. It just felt like his
Speaker 1: walls were so up because he was so insecure about
Speaker 1: like you potentially leaving him. That's what it felt like
Speaker 1: watching it, Like it felt like you guys were on
Speaker 1: a good path, and then obviously the cheating scandal happened.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tricky one.
Speaker 5: It's hard.
Speaker 4: I definitely think like we weren't in the best place,
Speaker 4: but we were working towards it and and maybe like
Speaker 4: looking back now, I think that there wasn't this amazing
Speaker 4: romantic connection and I think we were always kind of
Speaker 4: destined to just be friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which you know, well, you guys are my favorite,
Speaker 1: so I think maybe in my head, like in my
Speaker 1: like ideal fantasy land that you guys are going to
Speaker 1: get back together. Like yeah, I literally went on the
Speaker 1: mass podcast like two weeks ago and she was like
Speaker 1: a ripe to Clara and Jesse, and I was like, no.
Speaker 2: Me early on saying you liked the Jesse dude and Claire.
Speaker 2: I just remember Jesse.
Speaker 3: I remember jested you because I looked at him I've
Speaker 3: turned it on and he had a pink suit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I loved the suit.
Speaker 1: I really did.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 4: I think the thing about Jesse and my character is
Speaker 4: like we're both really authentic and we're we can be silly,
Speaker 4: we can be weird, we're you know, odd. Yeah, we're
Speaker 4: not up tight, and I think that is what maybe
Speaker 4: made people really like us.
Speaker 1: Yeah individually, So you guys aren't in contact anymore? Were
Speaker 1: you in contact? Like what's the evolution of about?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the thing is like I have
Speaker 4: always been the first person to reach out to Jesse.
Speaker 4: How you going, how are you feeling? You know? When
Speaker 4: the promos came out and they were going on about
Speaker 4: his IX and really emphasizing that, I was like, Hey,
Speaker 4: I hope you're okay. I'll always be here for you.
Speaker 4: And then our wedding night. I messaged to him after
Speaker 4: the episode and I was like, that was so great.
Speaker 4: How are you feeling? And you know Jesse would reply,
Speaker 4: but Jesse has never once asked me how are you?
Speaker 4: How are you feeling. He'll always finish it off with
Speaker 4: I hope you're well, but never I don't know. I
Speaker 4: just feel like Jesse can be a little bit in
Speaker 4: his own world. Yeah, a little bit self centered. I
Speaker 4: hate to say that, because I do think he's a
Speaker 4: nice guy. But he's literally never messaged me once and
Speaker 4: like how you going, how you feeling? How are you
Speaker 4: taking it?
Speaker 3: You think he's hurt from everything that's happened and he
Speaker 3: doesn't want to Yeah, I think have that communication with you.
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know because when he replies, his replies
Speaker 4: are like I'm so great. People are stopping me in
Speaker 4: the street, people are taking photos with me. I've just
Speaker 4: got a new tatoo. Like his replies are showing me
Speaker 4: that he's fine with me, Like he's telling me about
Speaker 4: his life, You're telling me what he's up to.
Speaker 2: He's not interested in yours, but he's not Yeah.
Speaker 5: But he's not asking like reciprocating that back.
Speaker 4: So my replies are like, how you going, how are
Speaker 4: you feeling? And then I've got a big guessave from
Speaker 4: him about you know, when I had my viewing party,
Speaker 4: he was like, oh, I saw your view party. You
Speaker 4: should have seen mine. He's like, I had big speakers
Speaker 4: and I had people from past episodes come and I'm
Speaker 4: so famous. I'm being stopped in the street and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I feel like.
Speaker 5: You're just kind of like pulling your dick in front of.
Speaker 4: Me and being like ba bye.
Speaker 3: It almost sounds to bring to bring that up, though,
Speaker 3: to bring that up definitely assures like the whole insecure
Speaker 3: think he needs the validation from people on the street and.
Speaker 4: That yeah, I do, Like that's very yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 4: I think Jesse is really you know, his job is
Speaker 4: a celibran. He's an EMC, yet like Bingo Nights, he
Speaker 4: was an EMC at a strip club.
Speaker 5: So he's really.
Speaker 4: Good at being a character and showing up for a
Speaker 4: camera as a person. But when it comes to who
Speaker 4: he is and his own character, I really struggled to
Speaker 4: connect with who that real person he is inside, and
Speaker 4: I think that there's probably a bit of self growth
Speaker 4: for him in terms of letting his walls down. He's
Speaker 4: thirty one, okay, So yeah, look we're all different, you know,
Speaker 4: Like I said, if I saw him, how you going?
Speaker 4: All the best to you? But just like, don't get
Speaker 4: caught up on it. Like I feel like he's holding
Speaker 4: a bit of resentment. I feel like jes he wished
Speaker 4: that I was going to copy it a little bit more. Really,
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think he's like, you know, she
Speaker 4: should have been the villain.
Speaker 5: She cheated on me.
Speaker 3: But I mean, well, he said in that video that
Speaker 3: came out over the weekend that it was hush.
Speaker 5: When I saidn't watch the video because I just couldn't.
Speaker 4: But I read the little write up on the Daily
Speaker 4: Mail about it. I just didn't have I just didn't
Speaker 4: have the energy to like listen to it. But reading
Speaker 4: what I read, it said, you know, Claire was the
Speaker 4: villain on a silver platter. And I really struggle with
Speaker 4: that because I left there holding my head up high.
Speaker 4: We left holding hands, we left his friends, and out
Speaker 4: of all the couple who weren't together, we left in
Speaker 4: the best place. And you'll see that at the reunion
Speaker 4: episodes when they air. You'll see us on the couch, laughing,
Speaker 4: having a great time. You know, when we left before
Speaker 4: the girls and Boys' night, we were sending pictures of
Speaker 4: our dogs and our cats and you know, really connecting.
Speaker 4: But since it's aired and I'm being shown to be
Speaker 4: authentic and apologetic and really remorseful, I think he's struggling
Speaker 4: with that because he thought that I was going to
Speaker 4: get a little bit more criticism than I am.
Speaker 1: I love Jesse, but why would you want someone to
Speaker 1: get hate. I don't like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't really know, But.
Speaker 1: So he wanted to. I mean, he obviously in a
Speaker 1: way is a victim to the cheating scandal, but he
Speaker 1: wanted to be seen as like, you know, the real
Speaker 1: victim of the season. Yeah, slash star. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys are the star couple in my opinion, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, I feel like, as he said,
Speaker 1: you were both very authentic. What we kind of saw
Speaker 1: is what we got even meeting you now exactly the same.
Speaker 1: Like it's you know, I think you guys really are
Speaker 1: the two people who stood out not doing like a
Speaker 1: Harrison and Bronte, which we'll get too later. Just stay
Speaker 1: they are not the stars of the show, just put
Speaker 1: on a fake relationship and right stay and expect to anyway. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll get into that later. So I have a question.
Speaker 1: Were you and Jessie like kissing behind closed doors and like.
Speaker 4: You never slept together, we never had a pash, never
Speaker 4: had a pash.
Speaker 2: Were you going to build a relationship when you're not
Speaker 2: being into why?
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, I just don't think we were separate
Speaker 4: from most of the experiment. I think the longest that
Speaker 4: we shared a room was that our honeymoon, and then
Speaker 4: probably for maybe a week in Sky Sweet and then
Speaker 4: the kissing thing happened, and then we spent the rest
Speaker 4: of the experiment in separate rooms.
Speaker 2: But you're laying in a with a guy technically on
Speaker 2: your honeymoon, there was no intimacyity.
Speaker 5: Well, that page that I just read about eight thirty
Speaker 5: is in bed.
Speaker 4: That was the first night I after honeymoon, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I can't wait to stay up till two
Speaker 4: am and talk about our whole lives and get to
Speaker 4: know everything about it. And he was like, no, I'm tired.
Speaker 4: We had a big day yesterday, We've been up early
Speaker 4: for a flight.
Speaker 5: I want to go to bed.
Speaker 4: And I was like okay, and I fucking just laid away,
Speaker 4: like start at the ceiling. And then I'm like, all right,
Speaker 4: So I went for a beach walk and it was
Speaker 4: like eleven am eleven pm, and so I spent a
Speaker 4: lot of time on my own. And I just feel
Speaker 4: like we never really got emotionally intimate. So if you
Speaker 4: can't have emotional intimacy, how the hell are you gonna
Speaker 4: have physical intimacy. Yeah, got to simulate my mind before
Speaker 4: you stimulate my pussy kind of literally, yeah, And I
Speaker 4: just we we didn't have that, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: whether it was a lack of romance or you know.
Speaker 5: I want to chat, I want to get deep.
Speaker 4: And we'd go in our room and Jesse would pop
Speaker 4: up on his like noise canceling headphones and he'd have
Speaker 4: his laptop open, and he.
Speaker 5: Like puzzle online puzzles.
Speaker 4: He was like obsessed with online puzzles. And he'd put
Speaker 4: this time around and see like how long he could
Speaker 4: finish the.
Speaker 1: Puzzle in as opposed to talking to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like I'd be cooking dinner and be like,
Speaker 4: and he also watched like YouTube recaps of old Maths episodes,
Speaker 4: so I'd be like, let's chat and he'd be like,
Speaker 4: oh wait, and he'd be watching like the Just Power
Speaker 4: and like Martha Verse Syral like incident, and I'd.
Speaker 1: Be like, so he's doing his homework.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like he wasn't really present in the moment.
Speaker 4: I feel like he was excited to be married at
Speaker 4: first sight. You know, he told me he'd applied for
Speaker 4: five years in a row, so he was really keen
Speaker 4: to be on something like that. But then when he
Speaker 4: was there, I feel like he didn't even want to
Speaker 4: be there.
Speaker 1: So do you feel like Jesse was attracted to you? Then?
Speaker 4: No? I don't, No, I don't. I feel like he
Speaker 4: said that he was attracted to me so that people
Speaker 4: maybe might feel so for him a little bit more.
Speaker 5: But when I think.
Speaker 4: About the lack of conversation, the lack of romance, of intimacy,
Speaker 4: putting me fifth on the attractive challenge, I struggled to see,
Speaker 4: how were you attracted to me? You don't know what
Speaker 4: my favorite food is, what my favorite color is, when cuddle.
Speaker 2: You in bed, when you shared it bed together.
Speaker 4: I think like one time we had a little spoon,
Speaker 4: like very early on, but it was just like didn't
Speaker 4: feel right. It didn't feel right. Yeah, it felt it
Speaker 4: awkward and I was like, oh, good night, good night,
Speaker 4: and then like kiss your nah. I think we pecked
Speaker 4: maybe two or three times, like once on our wedding day,
Speaker 4: and like you know a couple of times you've I
Speaker 4: kind of a kiss. I'm like, okay, we have like
Speaker 4: a little interesting Yeah, there was no real romantic spark.
Speaker 1: So on the video that just came out that Jesse
Speaker 1: talks about how he's like shocked by the edit that
Speaker 1: you've received. What do you think he means by that?
Speaker 1: Because he said that there's a lot of conversations at
Speaker 1: the honeymoon that have just been cut out and you
Speaker 1: said nasty things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really struggle with that because I have never
Speaker 4: seen anything nasty, and like especially not on the honeymoon,
Speaker 4: like not really opens any nasty jersey. I just really yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't even know what that means for him. I
Speaker 4: remember having a conversation where he came and sat me
Speaker 4: down more separate, and he came and sat down and said,
Speaker 4: this is prior to that night where I walked off,
Speaker 4: and he said, I just want to say, I feel
Speaker 4: like your loudness and the way you are is for
Speaker 4: this for the cameras.
Speaker 5: I think you're putting it on.
Speaker 4: And I got really defensive in that moment because I
Speaker 4: was like, this is me, this is who I am.
Speaker 4: I am loud, I'm a kindergarten teacher. That's why I
Speaker 4: do the job I do. I have ADHD, I'm outgoing,
Speaker 4: I'm vivacious.
Speaker 5: This is me, And for you to say that you think.
Speaker 4: It's fake, that really pisces me off because I was
Speaker 4: super fucking authentic and I don't know how to be
Speaker 4: anything but myself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he was like, well, why are you getting defensive?
Speaker 4: Why are you saying that, Michael, because you're accusing me
Speaker 4: of being fake?
Speaker 5: And that wasn't.
Speaker 4: Blowout, and he walked off and I walked off, and
Speaker 4: then we didn't come together again until that night, that dinner,
Speaker 4: and that's when it blew up again.
Speaker 5: And when he start there mocking my voice and.
Speaker 1: I just like, what was he doing mocking your voice?
Speaker 4: Like, oh, look at the stars, look at this guy?
Speaker 4: Like Sundays, we didn't like that amazing, it was amazing.
Speaker 4: It was Hamilton race week as well, so there's beautiful
Speaker 4: like a race week.
Speaker 5: How good was it?
Speaker 4: I saw it? Yeah, we said it's called Long Islands,
Speaker 4: which is probably like forty five minutes from Hammo. Stunning.
Speaker 4: We went to Elly Beach, you know, like I'd never
Speaker 4: seen a humpback whale.
Speaker 5: Right, so there's like a mum and her calf.
Speaker 4: And they're like preaching and they're jumping up and slapping
Speaker 4: their tails and I'm like, oh my god, I'm.
Speaker 5: Having like this David Adamborough moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, insane, this is crazy, and he was like, can
Speaker 4: you just keep it to yourself.
Speaker 2: That's just fascinating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I felt so shut down, and I felt
Speaker 4: so like I'm going to climb the tree. I'm going
Speaker 4: to build a sand castle. I'm going to look for crabs,
Speaker 4: like that's me. I'm an adventurer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's also being happy with life like that,
Speaker 1: even just hearing you say that, I'm excited. I'm going
Speaker 1: to tumbles Allen in two weeks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna love it.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, like diving into life and like
Speaker 1: making the most of it and being positive. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that, and like you shouldn't be
Speaker 1: made to feel like that's a bad thing.
Speaker 4: And that's when I know, yeah, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 4: we had any thing on the couch with the experts,
Speaker 4: and John said, I love Daddy Johnson. It's liked John,
Speaker 4: Mama MoU and Auntie Alison Alison. Yeah, they're great. But
Speaker 4: John was like, Jesse, I feel like you are resenting
Speaker 4: her for being the person that she is. And you
Speaker 4: asked for someone high energy and out and outgoing, and
Speaker 4: instead of allowing her to hold that power, you are
Speaker 4: resenting her for that. Yeah. Then he said, on the contrary, Claire,
Speaker 4: maybe you can allow your space for Jesse to kind
Speaker 4: of step into his power and meet you halfway.
Speaker 5: So I did feel like I had to.
Speaker 4: Choose my words a little bit, you know, even when
Speaker 4: we moved into sky Sweets, I wanted to be like,
Speaker 4: oh my.
Speaker 5: God, looks at you, look at the artworker.
Speaker 2: I love you for that with your partner, do that
Speaker 2: you should always for your authentic self.
Speaker 4: I want someone who's going to be like Toda, you know,
Speaker 4: not sit down and be quiet. Can you stop? You're
Speaker 4: embarrassing me ki to yourself.
Speaker 1: And that's like, it's so hard to have married at
Speaker 1: first sight, right because they pay you with someone who
Speaker 1: you don't know who they are, You don't know what
Speaker 1: their personality type is. Why do you think they matched you? Guys?
Speaker 4: Look, I think you can look at it in many
Speaker 4: different ways. You can say like, I'm a super high energy,
Speaker 4: but I'm also quite understanding and empathetic, and I think
Speaker 4: I'm a really good communicator. And I think that someone
Speaker 4: like Jesse, who maybe struggles to understand themselves, who need
Speaker 4: somebody a little bit more like I got you, maybe
Speaker 4: they thought that that would be a good match. And
Speaker 4: I think Jesse needs somebody a little bit more. Who's
Speaker 4: going to allow Jesse to be the dominant one in
Speaker 4: a relationship? And I think I am a little bit
Speaker 4: too dominant for him, right, Maybe? Yeah, but maybe sometimes
Speaker 4: they just want a bit of this and see what happens.
Speaker 3: You know, there's yeah, you know, do you think that
Speaker 3: he wanted you to like make him feel more like
Speaker 3: validated and more.
Speaker 5: Like sure, I do security, I do feel like.
Speaker 3: Do you not feel like that's not too hard to
Speaker 3: make him feel a bit validated sometimes and like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that everyone deserves to be validated, but
Speaker 4: that is not my sole responsibility.
Speaker 5: I think you have to come to a point.
Speaker 4: Where you.
Speaker 3: Valid Yeah, yeah, in a relationship. If he's feeling insecure
Speaker 3: about where it is. I feel like if my partner
Speaker 3: was like that, I would try to make him feel.
Speaker 4: Good about themselves, for sure, And I think I did
Speaker 4: that as much as I could. Where there is no
Speaker 4: emotional intimacy, there is no connection, There is no two
Speaker 4: way street showing up, showing up, showing up. There's only
Speaker 4: so much I can pour until my cup is empty.
Speaker 4: And if I sit back and look at it, I
Speaker 4: think about, well, what did I get from Jesse in
Speaker 4: our relationship? And I can't really enter that, So I
Speaker 4: feel like there's things that I have to tick off before.
Speaker 4: You know, when you're in a relationship, it's totally different.
Speaker 4: You love that person, you care about them and to
Speaker 4: feel good. We didn't have that pre existing thing. We
Speaker 4: were two strangers and at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: like you're a grown ass man, you're thirty one years old,
Speaker 4: figure yourself out, know yourself. It's not my job to
Speaker 4: save you, to rescue. We all have hurt, we all
Speaker 4: have past trauma, We've all been fucked up in different ways,
Speaker 4: and you know, yeah, like I can kind of understand
Speaker 4: now maybe why Jesse hasn't been a relationship that you know,
Speaker 4: since he was in high school. Since he was eighteen.
Speaker 4: He's been single since eighteen years old, and there is
Speaker 4: a big chunk of yourself that you're yet to understand
Speaker 4: because relationships hold that mirror up for you. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that we all got work to do in
Speaker 4: ourselves at the in the day, some more than others.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, well, I mean even we saw Jesse in
Speaker 1: his boxy say to the camera, I wish one of
Speaker 1: my exes gave me an apology like Claire gave me, Like, obviously,
Speaker 1: it's amazing that after the cheating scandal occurred that you
Speaker 1: were so sincere and you gave him something that he
Speaker 1: had never received before. But did that make you feel
Speaker 1: like maybe he wasn't necessarily over that x and.
Speaker 4: I had asked him that a couple of times before
Speaker 4: going back to our honeymoon. I'd said, tell me about
Speaker 4: your past relationships, and he's like, I don't want to
Speaker 4: talk about it really, So that's something I didn't even
Speaker 4: know until.
Speaker 2: Ten years ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I can't even.
Speaker 5: Remember what I had for breakfast yesterday.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you know. Absolutely it did affect him, and
Speaker 4: we've been kept a secret for two years.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine.
Speaker 4: So he started dating his girl when he was sixteen,
Speaker 4: and there were a secret until he was eighteen, so
Speaker 4: it was very young. But she didn't from like her
Speaker 4: friends and family.
Speaker 1: She probably wasn't allowed to have a boyfriend.
Speaker 5: She probably wasn't like you're a.
Speaker 1: Get allowed to have a boyfriend.
Speaker 2: I feel like he is.
Speaker 4: Holding onto a lot of past her from being sixteen
Speaker 4: to eighteen, and he's really carrying that through to his
Speaker 4: adult life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, yeah, I think my teen year old
Speaker 3: girlfriend broke up. We just got married, and I'm happy.
Speaker 1: As hell for I know people who still struggle with
Speaker 1: things that happened to them in like very young relationships
Speaker 1: because it like traumatizes them and then they're like, walls up,
Speaker 1: can't I don't want to do that again? Sure, I
Speaker 1: mean the first time you get hurt, fucking hurt's right,
Speaker 1: your heels break.
Speaker 2: I don't think I can.
Speaker 1: Still feel the pain to laugh about it totally.
Speaker 4: I can laugh about it now.
Speaker 1: But I can laugh about it now because I've gone
Speaker 1: on to experience different relationship. If that was my last relationship,
Speaker 1: I would probably still be help.
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, we'll think about it.
Speaker 1: You're first the first person to truly hurt. You imagine
Speaker 1: if that was the last person you've dated, Fuck mad,
Speaker 1: give me a shell.
Speaker 2: It would be hard, I would.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, It's hard, It's definitely hard. Also,
Speaker 1: so Jesse obviously did an interview that was pretty like
Speaker 1: damning towards you, and he claims that the cheating scandal
Speaker 1: was actually about to come out, and so therefore you
Speaker 1: got on the front foot and you wouldn't have told
Speaker 1: the truth if you didn't know it was going to
Speaker 1: come out. What's your response to that?
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I I had told Sandy, and
Speaker 4: so she hadn't told anyone, So I think that, yeah,
Speaker 4: there was no way it was going to come out.
Speaker 4: Adam definitely wouldn't be telling anyone. Sandy is my bff
Speaker 4: for life. She definitely wasn't gonna tell anyone. And so
Speaker 4: you know when people say you only stayed to repay
Speaker 4: your image, well I wouldn't have had an image to
Speaker 4: repair if I didn't choose to come out and say it.
Speaker 4: So I completely disagree with that. You know, there was
Speaker 4: no no one was going to say.
Speaker 5: No one knew anything, so so.
Speaker 1: Producers hadn't caught wind of the cheating scam.
Speaker 5: I I.
Speaker 4: It was a Friday night and I called my producer
Speaker 4: and I was like, I need to speak to you.
Speaker 4: I need to tell you. And she was like you
Speaker 4: need to just keep this like because she shuts down
Speaker 4: for the weekend. And so all weekend I was like
Speaker 4: stewing on this, like all right, we'll speak on Monday.
Speaker 4: We'll have a discussion about it on Monday. And then
Speaker 4: Monday morning we went for a coffee and a walk
Speaker 4: around the block and I kind of spilled everything to
Speaker 4: her and I would say like, yea, I had the
Speaker 4: best producer, Bloody loved her. She was a legend. And
Speaker 4: she's like, what do you want to do. I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: I need I need to tell them, like it's not
Speaker 4: it's not sitting right. And then yeah, we had Taylor
Speaker 4: and Hugo's wedding that day and I didn't know about
Speaker 4: it and basically did like, well, you got twenty minutes,
Speaker 4: you need to go get ready. After I told Sandy,
Speaker 4: they wanted me to tell Sandy on camera camera, yeah,
Speaker 4: because she already Yeah, yeah, she knew, and she didn't
Speaker 4: know back then, and she didn't I think she'd you
Speaker 4: On the Friday when I when I went and told
Speaker 4: her Friday night, I told my producer, I'm like, I
Speaker 4: need to come clean with this. And then so rehashing
Speaker 4: that discussion with her like me crying, that's real, Like yeah,
Speaker 4: rehashing that discussion is still feeling all these feelings. So
Speaker 4: it's not like, oh, I'm going to cry now, no, like, no,
Speaker 4: you genuinely feel shit. Yeah. So I finished telling Sandy
Speaker 4: and they were like, okay, well here's an invite to
Speaker 4: Taylor and Hugo's wedding. You've got twenty minutes go and
Speaker 4: get ready. And my eyes were like swollen as shit.
Speaker 5: I've been crying.
Speaker 1: It's so premeditated of them.
Speaker 4: Oh, it was really hard.
Speaker 1: They really are incredible. Wasn't there two weeks where you
Speaker 1: didn't tell Jesse?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so from when the kiss happened to Taylor Hugo's wedding,
Speaker 4: it was probably like, yeah, like.
Speaker 5: Eight or nine days. It was just under a week.
Speaker 1: So during those two weeks there was a lot of
Speaker 1: gas lighting from you and Adam towards Jesse. Looking back
Speaker 1: on that, how was that to watch because obviously it's
Speaker 1: like you're keeping a seat and like, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that.
Speaker 4: I obviously feel really bad for not coming clean sooner,
Speaker 4: but in saying that, when we got home that night
Speaker 4: and I was out on the phone to my friends,
Speaker 4: like Adam and Janelle have come forward and said we're
Speaker 4: on the phone to Cameron Lyndle, like, yeah, I was
Speaker 4: not on the phone to Adam. And to see Jesse
Speaker 4: act in such a really aggressive way for me possibly
Speaker 4: being on the phone, I didn't feel like safe or
Speaker 4: comfortable or able to be like, oh, hey, like I'm
Speaker 4: not on the phone to him. But I did kiss him.
Speaker 4: I just didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't trust his reaction.
Speaker 4: I was scared. I thought, just shut your mouth, Claire,
Speaker 4: just suppress all this. And so the way I did react,
Speaker 4: I do feel bad about. But I also think that
Speaker 4: was my pent up frustration with him already.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's not an.
Speaker 4: Excuse, like I did apologize to Jesse for that, and
Speaker 4: I probably should have come forward sooner. But yeah, if
Speaker 4: someone's going to ask so like so angry about a
Speaker 4: phone call, how much more mad would they be about
Speaker 4: a kiss? And I was kind of like, well, you
Speaker 4: don't even like me anyway, Like I didn't even feel
Speaker 4: like you're into me, like all of a sudden, like
Speaker 4: I show a bit of affection to someone else and
Speaker 4: it kind of changed, but you know, yeah, but then
Speaker 4: I think about it, I'm like, well, you don't get
Speaker 4: jealous unless you do like someone. And it's just like this,
Speaker 4: it's conflicting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 4: And it's so hard to navigate a relationship in private,
Speaker 4: let alone in public with cameras in your face, with
Speaker 4: twenty other people who are judging you. And you can
Speaker 4: try and show up as best as you can, but
Speaker 4: it's not always going to be, you know, to full integrity.
Speaker 1: You know, well that's life, right. We all make mistakes.
Speaker 1: And I think we had a chat earlier in the
Speaker 1: week and I was like saying to you, I think
Speaker 1: that's why people can really relate to you, because it's
Speaker 1: there's light and there's shade and it's raw and it's
Speaker 1: not like trying to put your best foot forward twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven and like you're like, I'm on camera.
Speaker 1: It was like there was mistakes made and you did
Speaker 1: own it. And I think that's why people have got
Speaker 1: around you, because they can relate like it's it's.
Speaker 3: Live that I was like, how do you get away
Speaker 3: with cheating on a show? Like and I was like,
Speaker 3: how how do you come out looking good on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: She said that that you were authentic to yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's important.
Speaker 4: You know when you are like, yeah, fucked up, what
Speaker 4: are the people can say? Yeah, you fucked up? Like
Speaker 4: I know, I just said that.
Speaker 2: Would you repect on differently now if you could go?
Speaker 5: No, I think no regrets, right, not even one, not.
Speaker 4: Even a kiss. No, I think you just got to Yeah,
Speaker 4: like everything is a learning go of It builds character.
Speaker 4: You know, even if you are perfect and you make
Speaker 4: no mistakes, people always going to judge. So totally, Yeah,
Speaker 4: no regrets in life.
Speaker 5: You just go to learn from it and do better.
Speaker 2: So see the lesson and everything absolutely said that morning.
Speaker 1: Do you worry that now that you're in the real world.
Speaker 1: I guess you could call it that. Maybe you know
Speaker 1: future people who you date will be like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: a cheater because that was like the.
Speaker 4: Cheater. No, I actually don't.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 4: I feel like people can change, and people like when
Speaker 4: someone's your person, you will do everything to protect them
Speaker 4: and keep their part safe and care for them and
Speaker 4: nurture them and validate them. And I think that you
Speaker 4: can be in the wrong relationship at the wrong time,
Speaker 4: with the wrong person, or you know, so many different factors.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, my dad, My dad cheated on
Speaker 4: my mum, and now you know, fifteen years later, he's
Speaker 4: in an amazing relationship with a woman that he loves
Speaker 4: so much, and I could never see him.
Speaker 5: Doing anything like that ever again.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I definitely do cheating is a way of
Speaker 3: trying to get out of a relationship.
Speaker 2: I feel happy it's.
Speaker 1: You trying to probably can when you talk about your
Speaker 1: dad for a second, because I like fell in love
Speaker 1: with your dad. He was so so sweet, so sweet,
Speaker 1: he was giving so much wisdom to you guys, and
Speaker 1: I just really felt his like positive, amazing energy and
Speaker 1: then I could totally see where you get it from.
Speaker 4: I'm super lucky, like I've got a great relationship with
Speaker 4: my dad and my stepmom and then my mum and
Speaker 4: my stepdad, so I've got like double the love, double
Speaker 4: the parents, and it's really nice. Like everyone has a
Speaker 4: different like role they play in my life and give
Speaker 4: different advice and dynamics. So but Dad's very much like
Speaker 4: the fun, funny, charismatic yeah you know kind of dad,
Speaker 4: and super lucky that he came and gave that advice,
Speaker 4: and you know what, we had never spoken about mum
Speaker 4: and Dad's divorce and the whole cheating affair with them,
Speaker 4: And there was a lot more said that obviously wasn't shown,
Speaker 4: but that was.
Speaker 5: The first time Dad and I had had a conversation
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 4: Wow. It brought us so much closer together, just as
Speaker 4: a father daughter, you know, dynamic, and him to be
Speaker 4: able to say, like, I messed up and I never
Speaker 4: took accountability, and I ran away like hearing my dad
Speaker 4: say that, a little bit of my inner child kind
Speaker 4: of forgave him without really when I was ten when
Speaker 4: that happened, and my sister was two, and so I
Speaker 4: feel like we never really had a good relationship with
Speaker 4: our dad. You know, he was off being single and
Speaker 4: you know whatever, and we didn't really see him until
Speaker 4: I was well into my twenties.
Speaker 5: So we had a really weird.
Speaker 2: Him for that.
Speaker 4: And absolutely, yeah, absolutely they've never seen or spoken to
Speaker 4: each other ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's a.
Speaker 4: Bit of a tough one.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Did your dad approve of Jesse?
Speaker 4: Yeah he did. He actually did you know. At the
Speaker 4: wedding he did say, like, something's a bit off with
Speaker 4: this dude. He was a bit like, you know, he
Speaker 4: had some questions and you know they didn't show like
Speaker 4: obviously everything. But at the end of the day, he's like,
Speaker 4: I support you, like be you, be who you are,
Speaker 4: be strong. You got this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's less. Okay, we have to talk about
Speaker 1: Harrison and bron Tie.
Speaker 2: There's one thing I know about the show and that guy.
Speaker 1: Here's the worst.
Speaker 4: It's actually scary.
Speaker 5: He's actually really scary.
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it real to like real life? Is it worse
Speaker 2: in real life?
Speaker 4: When people talk about the edit, there is no edit.
Speaker 4: What you're seeing is what you are getting. People can't
Speaker 4: make you say something, they can't make you behave in
Speaker 4: a certain way. That is him and I knew it
Speaker 4: was bad, but now seeing the internal dialogue that's happening
Speaker 4: behind th Bronti and his boxy, You're like, whoa dude,
Speaker 4: what the fuck is wrong?
Speaker 2: Is Bronti that bad? Is she bad in real life? Like?
Speaker 2: Is she to blame as much? Or is it fully?
Speaker 4: Look, I struggle. I struggle with the relationship that I
Speaker 4: have with Brontie. If I'm honest, what is the relationship? Firstly, Okay,
Speaker 4: let's rewind. Yeah, let's rewind you know, during Maths, I
Speaker 4: connected with Brontie a lot.
Speaker 5: I was like, I really like this girl.
Speaker 4: She is, you know, strong, she's sassy, she's funny. We
Speaker 4: get along and then we went through everything and she
Speaker 4: supported me through the whole cheating thing. She's like, you know,
Speaker 4: you're not your mistakes. You know, it was me, Brontie, Lindell,
Speaker 4: Sandy and Alyssa probably like the closest, you know, towards
Speaker 4: the end of that experiment, and then it kind of
Speaker 4: became me, Bronti, Lindall and Sandy. Yeah, you know, they
Speaker 4: came and stayed with me for a couple of nights,
Speaker 4: you know, a month or two back when they came
Speaker 4: to Melbourne, and you know, we were talking about everything,
Speaker 4: and I struggle because I know Bronti is not a
Speaker 4: stupid girl. I know that she's smart. Watching that, you
Speaker 4: are either faker shit or you were either dumber shit,
Speaker 4: which one? And that is the battle that I'm having
Speaker 4: because I love her and I want to be friends
Speaker 4: with her, But watching that, I'm just like, how can
Speaker 4: I say true to my values and my morals? How
Speaker 4: can I be friends with someone I may not necessarily
Speaker 4: fully trust. I feel bad even saying this, you know,
Speaker 4: I do, and I haven't really had a conversation about
Speaker 4: it with her kind of pulled away from the girl's
Speaker 4: group a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's totally fair enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm struggling a little bit, and it makes me
Speaker 4: sad thinking about it, because you know, we did get along,
Speaker 4: and yeah, I don't ever want to like she on
Speaker 4: another woman. I Yeah, I just don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel like she's kind of got rose
Speaker 1: colored glasses on and he's being highly manipulated, or she's
Speaker 1: made a deal behind closing, like.
Speaker 4: The text message come through in the voice memos, and
Speaker 4: there are things that we didn't I didn't know about
Speaker 4: during it, But there was a time where I was
Speaker 4: like Brontie, like, why are you being so fake? Like
Speaker 4: you know, she was literally saying to us girls, I
Speaker 4: hate this guy.
Speaker 5: He's a winker. I can't stand him.
Speaker 4: And then you'd go on your right, stay and we'd
Speaker 4: be like, what the fuck are weching?
Speaker 1: So even hearing you say that's very contradictory because she
Speaker 1: seems so passive.
Speaker 3: If she's got a deal or whatever, you reckon to
Speaker 3: stay their parish and her want to both stay, wouldn't
Speaker 3: they be putting on more of a.
Speaker 5: Exactly do better.
Speaker 1: I think they're just ship at acting.
Speaker 3: Though, wouldn't you be like more like I love this,
Speaker 3: Like like why I would be going and telling you
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 2: So that makes me believe that it's they're probably not faking.
Speaker 2: They might just be I think.
Speaker 1: That he So do you think Harrison and Bronti are
Speaker 1: fake or they're stupid?
Speaker 4: I think that Harrison. I think there's nothing about Harrison
Speaker 4: that's fake. I think that is his authentic self. Right.
Speaker 4: People throw around the narcissist word a lot, and they
Speaker 4: say it a lot and gas lighting a lot. And
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, yeah, okay, Bronte would say it
Speaker 4: a lot in the couch. I'm like, I'm okay. But
Speaker 4: now I'm like, holy shit. And this dude's mum is
Speaker 4: a behavioral therapist. How is that possible?
Speaker 2: Well, he probably needs.
Speaker 1: Analysis on her son.
Speaker 2: She probably taught him how to.
Speaker 4: So look, I really struggle, and you know, I do
Speaker 4: have a lot of love for Bronti and I was
Speaker 4: good friends with her during the show. I have pulled
Speaker 4: back a little bit. Yeah, and she'll probably listen to
Speaker 4: this and be like, what the fuck, bitch? But I
Speaker 4: just don't know how to feel right now, and hearing
Speaker 4: some of the ways she spoke about other couples, and
Speaker 4: it's either Harris and mind fuck the shit out of
Speaker 4: you and you don't have the inner strength and the
Speaker 4: knowledge to see that. Yeah, or you're just like, fuck it,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stay for as long as I can, you know,
Speaker 4: have some longevity in this.
Speaker 2: Anyway, maybe she thought it was going to get better,
Speaker 2: But I.
Speaker 1: Mean, if Brontie is listening to this, I'm sure she
Speaker 1: isn't analyzing herself whilst watching the show as well, being
Speaker 1: like what the fuck? This doesn't look good like it
Speaker 1: does it? And I think even objectively, she must be
Speaker 1: able to watch it and watch what's happening and be
Speaker 1: like fuck.
Speaker 4: It'd be hard for her to watch back. I think
Speaker 4: I don't even think she's actually watching anymore. I think
Speaker 4: she's said I'm not watching. I don't think she's doing
Speaker 4: any like media radios anything. I think she's just like,
Speaker 4: she's going, yeah, they're not.
Speaker 2: Together once they're not still together.
Speaker 5: Oh, no, spoilers, you'll have to keep watching.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no, just because I like outside, highly
Speaker 1: doubt it, Yeah, highly.
Speaker 2: Doubt Harrison got seen with someone.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, harrissons with his ex right, the
Speaker 1: twenty two year old Yeah, which also gives like weird
Speaker 1: grooming rap vibes, like you're a grown us man, is he?
Speaker 5: He's like voluntary his thirties, isn't he?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 5: Why are you hanging out with twenty two year olds?
Speaker 4: Like you need a woman who who is maybe not
Speaker 4: as switched on, who you can manipulate about, you know,
Speaker 4: because like me, Milinda and Avelan, where fucking you know
Speaker 4: what you want?
Speaker 1: I love it. I love seeing you and Evelyn and
Speaker 1: Melinda as well, just like put him in his place.
Speaker 1: But he's so good with his words, which I'm like,
Speaker 1: you come across quite stupid, so I'm like surprised that
Speaker 1: you're that good with your words. But he really is
Speaker 1: great at twisting and manipulating and everything that he says
Speaker 1: is very controlled. The thing about Harrison that scares me
Speaker 1: the most is the smirk.
Speaker 4: But do you know, you say, Mark, I've never seen
Speaker 4: Harrison actually genuinely smile, like I've never seen him smile
Speaker 4: and laugh like I laugh every day all the time.
Speaker 4: Imagine being that miserable and that's serious all the time, and.
Speaker 5: Like, how depressing for you, you know.
Speaker 1: Like I saw his teeth for like one episode, just once,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what her smiles what?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just a weird dude. And yeah, PSA to
Speaker 4: any young woman out there, do not date Harrison.
Speaker 1: Don't date girl, poor girl.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on Linda and Cam?
Speaker 4: Oh? I love Lindall so much. Lindall is an absolute legend.
Speaker 4: I big love for her. You know, I'm just like,
Speaker 4: show up Cam, you know, do better. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: she deserves all the love and affection and attention in
Speaker 4: the world. She's such an amazing person, even the way
Speaker 4: she speaks and the way she you know.
Speaker 5: Explains things.
Speaker 4: I Saindce. We were one day. I said, Babe, when
Speaker 4: you talk, it's like you're like Beethoven classical music, and
Speaker 4: I'm like gangster rap. I'm like together, We're just so,
Speaker 4: you know, it was pretty funny, like just a legend.
Speaker 4: It was really nice seeing them their love kind of
Speaker 4: blossom in a way, and seeing Cam, you know, for
Speaker 4: the first time, be with someone who's never had a girlfriend,
Speaker 4: so be a lot for him too. And he's such
Speaker 4: a lack Alerican and he's such a like a fifty
Speaker 4: ways to skin a cat, you know, kind of the
Speaker 4: way he speaks pasted it alls like he's so funny.
Speaker 4: His energy is really you know, hilarious. But yeah, Linda
Speaker 4: Lindall deserves the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she has a sweetheart. She there was a podcast
Speaker 1: that came out saying that she was a mean girl.
Speaker 4: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think so.
Speaker 2: Unreliable source, Yeah, unreliable, most unreliable source.
Speaker 4: It was a legend.
Speaker 5: She has the biggest heart.
Speaker 4: She's so caring, she's so thoughtful, she's such a girl's girl.
Speaker 3: And yeah, is there any couples that you think are
Speaker 3: gonna last on the outside.
Speaker 4: Tiny and Oie, Yeah, they're so amazing and just seeing
Speaker 4: the way that they grew together and I would have
Speaker 4: moments watching on the couch and.
Speaker 2: Still together.
Speaker 1: We saw there was a pick of them. They came
Speaker 1: out at the airport.
Speaker 2: They could just be catching up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I love her and it's really nice. Like
Speaker 4: see it does work and it does.
Speaker 1: You know what, they should have got more airtime. I
Speaker 1: think that's wrong of the mass producers to not give them.
Speaker 1: I mean, recently they've started to get airtime, but I
Speaker 1: mean I didn't even know their names until two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: And that's like not me like throwing any sort of shade.
Speaker 1: It's literally just that we didn't see them on the screens.
Speaker 1: Like obviously, Jesse were a big part of Sorry about
Speaker 1: that story. Who's the girl who's with Duncan? Remind me
Speaker 1: of her name, Alyssa. Let's talk about a Lissa for
Speaker 1: a second, and what's your thoughts on a Lissa?
Speaker 5: Look Alissa?
Speaker 4: Alissa has some like pretty deep rooted insecurities. I think.
Speaker 3: Is she the one that had that argument with Duncan
Speaker 3: And I was like, I can't watch this retreat.
Speaker 1: Even on the couch last night. It was too much.
Speaker 2: I genuinely turned that off. My anxiety peaked.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, I just feel like, you know, Alissa's love
Speaker 4: language is probably like words of affirmation and validation and
Speaker 4: quality time and she kind of needs. Alyssa really reminds
Speaker 4: me of old Clay in past relationships where I wasn't
Speaker 4: getting what I needed, but I also didn't love myself.
Speaker 4: So I feel like maybe she lacks a little bit
Speaker 4: of self love and she is requiring that from her partner.
Speaker 4: But if she just gave a little bit more of
Speaker 4: that to herself. She comes from a good play. She
Speaker 4: means well. I think she just really needs someone who
Speaker 4: really is like I've got you, I love you, And
Speaker 4: she can be quite needy and there's look, there's nothing
Speaker 4: wrong with that, but I just think it's.
Speaker 1: Just hard to watch as a viewer because he is
Speaker 1: like seeming like such a nice guy, and then it's
Speaker 1: like how much more can she get and how much
Speaker 1: more can he give? And then it's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: like you said, young Claire, I can see definitely things
Speaker 1: that I've done in past relationships when I was a
Speaker 1: lot younger and I had some of those behavioral traits
Speaker 1: or I would like look at them and be like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're in trouble, and like I hate to
Speaker 1: see it on screen because it's so evil and me
Speaker 1: and it comes across she's not mean.
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, our frontal Loba Amigdola sends
Speaker 4: across these like fight or flight when you're in a
Speaker 4: relationship and an issue arises, and I think you can
Speaker 4: either like I think maybe she just treats people like
Speaker 4: they're going to leave before they do and kind of
Speaker 4: pushes them out the door because she's expecting that's what's
Speaker 4: going to happen, because that's what's always happened for her relationships,
Speaker 4: and it doesn't come from a bad place. That's her walls,
Speaker 4: you know, just like Jesse has his defense in his walls.
Speaker 5: That's her way of protecting her heart.
Speaker 4: And so, you know, knowing her and knowing how she
Speaker 4: was on the experiment, there's no malice with the way
Speaker 4: that she does it. It's just like I'm scared. I'm scared,
Speaker 4: I'm not enough. I'm scared that he's going to leave me,
Speaker 4: just like everyone else. And so no, I don't want
Speaker 4: to hug. No, I don't want a tissue because I
Speaker 4: don't want to tell you that I want to hug.
Speaker 4: But I want to tell you that I want to.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I get it.
Speaker 1: I do get it though, because you're like, I don't
Speaker 1: need anything from you, like I can do it all
Speaker 1: myself at almost, but also I really want you to,
Speaker 1: but like I'm not going to push you off if
Speaker 1: you do, or exactly.
Speaker 3: Do you think there's anyone there for the wrong reasons?
Speaker 3: Just to get a bit of air.
Speaker 4: We can go back to the Harrison situation, you know,
Speaker 4: like when they wrote Stay Last night watching it, I
Speaker 4: was like.
Speaker 5: What you know, like how and why?
Speaker 4: But I think no, there is a definitely a part
Speaker 4: of you going onto something like this knowing what comes next.
Speaker 4: You do know it's the biggest show in Australia. Really,
Speaker 4: it's getting you know, one point eight one point one
Speaker 4: million views. It's crazy crazy and you don't really realize
Speaker 4: going onto it, but you know, like you you would
Speaker 4: be silly not to kind of think of that, and
Speaker 4: you would you know, it's in everyone's best interest to
Speaker 4: kind of monopolize on the opportunities that come after this
Speaker 4: and set yourself up in whatever capacity that is.
Speaker 5: Obviously some people might do better than Harrison.
Speaker 4: He's hoping.
Speaker 3: Okay, after watching the show back, does any of the
Speaker 3: narrative change? Like can you tell us the parts that
Speaker 3: are been edited to look different?
Speaker 4: And you no, I think, like I said, what you're
Speaker 4: seeing is what you get. Like, I really don't believe
Speaker 4: in the edit. I feel like the way you show
Speaker 4: up is the way you're being portrayed. That is, I
Speaker 4: don't believe in the edit.
Speaker 2: I just think that that's you're under contract.
Speaker 6: Still No, but seriously, like you can't say and do things,
Speaker 6: But I mean I've were friends with a producer who
Speaker 6: actually used to work on that, and he said to
Speaker 6: us that he couldn't work on the show because he
Speaker 6: couldn't sleep at night.
Speaker 3: Because really, edit edit, and you can clearly tell there
Speaker 3: was one where you could hear them.
Speaker 1: You can see them pull the voices in and like,
Speaker 1: I totally get what you're saying to a certain degree, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: they can't.
Speaker 4: Maybe they yeah, use a little bit more. Maybe some
Speaker 4: of the questions in your voxy can be quite emotionally charged,
Speaker 4: and they are questions, and you know, you do spend
Speaker 4: forty five minutes in boxy, for example, talking about something,
Speaker 4: and they might be like, Okay, let's use this is
Speaker 4: Jesse annoying? Is Jesse annoying? No, Jesse's not annoying. Jesse's
Speaker 4: so what did you find annoying about Jesse? No? Just
Speaker 4: and then forty five minutes later you're being asked the
Speaker 4: same question. You're like, oh, fuck all, r Jess annoying?
Speaker 4: And so that would just maybe play that that little part.
Speaker 4: But in terms of the edit, you, yeah, they might
Speaker 4: be like, okay, well, we want, you know, Alyssa to
Speaker 4: look really insecure and really mean and really harsh when
Speaker 4: really she's just but emotional and needs more love. You know,
Speaker 4: Melissa loving sex. There's so much more facets to Melissa's personality.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we haven't even spoken.
Speaker 4: About Let's I just feel like.
Speaker 1: She didn't come into like the Hen's Night or whatever
Speaker 1: it was talking a lot about sex.
Speaker 5: I was like, wowie, she's funny. Like I don't agree
Speaker 5: with everything that she said, but when you.
Speaker 4: Take someone who didn't get a root in a relationship
Speaker 4: for a really long time and comes out of it
Speaker 4: going I'm never going to be in a sexless relationship again.
Speaker 5: I want to get every day.
Speaker 4: And then you take like maybe a little bit more
Speaker 4: of a conservative guy again, Like what do we want
Speaker 4: from this relationship?
Speaker 5: How are we going to create like these two characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so hard though, because he was like
Speaker 1: he was gone to poundtown in private. He was giving
Speaker 1: her everything that she needed. I just like the dialogue.
Speaker 1: It was just like constant. It was intense. It was
Speaker 1: socially not acceptable even on like a like like relationship
Speaker 1: show like that. It was just like so Falon and
Speaker 1: I just like, is she that Falon in real life?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It was a bit you know, she loves, she loves
Speaker 4: the Venos, she loves She's a really just out there.
Speaker 2: Kind of person.
Speaker 1: So does it am pup when she's on the Venos?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like.
Speaker 5: She gets a bit toy. It's great.
Speaker 4: But yeah, look, I didn't obviously agree with the way
Speaker 4: she spoke about needing you know, a man and you're
Speaker 4: just like, well, what is that? What does that look like? Totally,
Speaker 4: But I also think that she struggles to articulate her
Speaker 4: needs and it comes across in a way that is
Speaker 4: really disrespectful. I'm really sexist, And I didn't like that.
Speaker 1: It was sexist because I mean, imagine if a guy
Speaker 1: was her, Like, imagine if like a guy was in
Speaker 1: the experiment and they didn't ask anything about the girl.
Speaker 1: I mean, you felt like Jesse didn't ask anything about you.
Speaker 5: It was just like jump on my dick there, like, well, dude,
Speaker 5: or you're.
Speaker 4: Ain't it in?
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you ain't woman enough?
Speaker 4: Like what the fuck is that? You can't be saying
Speaker 4: that she can't It's got to work.
Speaker 1: I think it's an age thing, like a boomer thing.
Speaker 2: She was the older one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I think my grandparents are super racist, super sexist,
Speaker 4: super homophobic, and they are just so worlds away from
Speaker 4: the world we live in. They grew up in you know,
Speaker 4: the thirties in fucking a village in Greece. I had
Speaker 4: no running water and electricity, and they've taken that mindset
Speaker 4: and brought it into Australia where they never assimilated into
Speaker 4: the culture, you know, and they continued that way of life,
Speaker 4: like my tattoos. Like thirty degree day, I go and
Speaker 4: I'm in a jumper at my grandparents' house because I'd
Speaker 4: be out.
Speaker 1: Of the fucking wheel, right, So they don't know you
Speaker 1: have tattoos.
Speaker 4: They do now thanks to my sister's engagements.
Speaker 2: Did they watched They were happy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they watched a little bit, so they obviously discovered
Speaker 4: I was on television. But they don't understand English, so
Speaker 4: they just they can just see, they can't hear. And
Speaker 4: like they call me one night and they're like, why
Speaker 4: are you crying on television? And I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, popul,
Speaker 4: don't worry. I'm just I'm an actress. Yeah, speak Greek
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I'm just doing an actres show.
Speaker 5: I'm an actress.
Speaker 4: And they're like, wow, that's amazing. Are you still working
Speaker 4: out your kindergarten and I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm doing
Speaker 4: that too. So they're super confused at what I'm doing
Speaker 4: right now and my job. The taboos. They were not happy,
Speaker 4: Like they were like, what the hell is that? We
Speaker 4: don't know how much of this house we're going to
Speaker 4: leave you anymore? We'll be we'll be amending. You're out
Speaker 4: of the wheel. You're out of the wheel. I'm not happy.
Speaker 4: I mean, like the older, the like they can't kind
Speaker 4: of change their mindset in a way, you know, not
Speaker 4: saying that Melissa's as old as my grandparents, but maybe
Speaker 4: she's super stuck in her ways and she needs to
Speaker 4: kind of open up.
Speaker 1: She needs to be educated a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she needs to hang out with some of us
Speaker 5: woke people, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a little bit of just awake up. There's
Speaker 1: a bit of a way and awakening, right ship.
Speaker 3: I don't think we're wok. I don't think it's just
Speaker 3: different like cultures and different like how we raised.
Speaker 4: I definitely think we are far more educated than our parents.
Speaker 3: And absolutely, you know what's put in our face all
Speaker 3: the time on social media and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: I couldn't even see my parents being able to have
Speaker 4: like some of the conversations that that we have about
Speaker 4: the way our mind works, about what our values are,
Speaker 4: about what we accept, about how we speak and treat
Speaker 4: people like I.
Speaker 3: Mean, I go to my old man for advice and
Speaker 3: it's like just undo this, and I'm just like, that's
Speaker 3: not how it works, un depressed yourself.
Speaker 2: Only if I could change the chemicals in my brain, you.
Speaker 4: Know, you can think about it, like, you know, maybe
Speaker 4: some of our parents weren't tucked in and hugged and
Speaker 4: kissed and told that they loved and told that they're
Speaker 4: special and.
Speaker 5: Given what they need as kids.
Speaker 4: And I don't know, it's like the intergeneration, which former
Speaker 4: is the thing, and you grow and you develop, And
Speaker 4: I definitely think we are far far more adaptable than
Speaker 4: our parents' generation, for sure.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Okay, back to maths. Then let's switch back. What was
Speaker 2: the most shocking moment at the dinner parties for you?
Speaker 2: Over all of them, nothing.
Speaker 4: Shocks me anymore. You kind of learned to accept anything.
Speaker 4: I think Taylor rocking up. When Taylor left, she messed
Speaker 4: me saying I've gone back to.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk about that.
Speaker 4: She watched this. Okay, So you know. So Taylor was like,
Speaker 4: I'm out, I've left, and I was like, poor Hugo.
Speaker 4: I wonder if he knows and I told you you
Speaker 4: clearly didn't know. And then her just walking in and
Speaker 4: I was like, she called a late flight.
Speaker 2: Laugh that she went to.
Speaker 4: She laughed. She definitely laughed, and the producers talked, yeah,
Speaker 4: told her to come back and.
Speaker 2: Stunt that scene so just dramatic, No, it was real.
Speaker 3: They do.
Speaker 4: You're like a drum. You know. She did leave, she
Speaker 4: pissed off and she came.
Speaker 1: Back really bad for Hugo. I felt like he was
Speaker 1: like a beaten puppy.
Speaker 5: Call him a puppy.
Speaker 1: I mean that's have I missed an episode said, because
Speaker 1: it's like reminded puppy.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he didn't want to be did
Speaker 4: He also referred to himself as like a labrador in
Speaker 4: his backstory, So don't take it. I don't think puppy
Speaker 4: is like kind of it.
Speaker 5: It's cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's it's a glory, but.
Speaker 5: When you're exactly but when you're trying.
Speaker 4: To sas endearing and like, I just felt bad. I
Speaker 4: do love Hugo, like standing and I've caught up with
Speaker 4: him a couple of times. Yeah, when we've hung out,
Speaker 4: gone for dinner, he goes legend.
Speaker 5: Yes, he's a great guy.
Speaker 4: Out of all the guys, is the only one I
Speaker 4: still speak to any of the other guys at all. Wow,
Speaker 4: Like I have an issue like love Ruper love Ollie Layton,
Speaker 4: but I just don't really don't really speak. It's enough
Speaker 4: of him.
Speaker 1: Put up with him for three months, fair enough, and
Speaker 1: it's been a long time has been. The thing is is, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we've been on reality TV. People think you're
Speaker 1: going to be bfs for I. It's like, no, we
Speaker 1: have our own friends already. We're going to pick up
Speaker 1: a couple of friends.
Speaker 2: We're going to get matching tatoos.
Speaker 1: Thank god I didn't only because like I didn't like
Speaker 1: everyone in our cart. I liked everyone, but it's obviously
Speaker 1: like a couple of people we didn't get along with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, you think you're gonna be best friends
Speaker 3: when you come off and it's not like happened.
Speaker 2: You've got lives.
Speaker 4: Sandy though, Like god, I love her. She you know,
Speaker 4: we live like twenty five minutes from each other.
Speaker 2: She wh I met with you?
Speaker 4: Yeah fashion Oh no, No, that was tiny. That was tiny, tiny,
Speaker 4: likely and tiny. But Sandy's Melbourne girl.
Speaker 5: We hang out all the time. She has become my
Speaker 5: best diam.
Speaker 1: How is she going after the show? Because obviously there
Speaker 1: was a lot of pressure from Sandy's parents going into
Speaker 1: the show. How is that all going?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Sandy really struggled.
Speaker 4: I think that she had a lot more writing on
Speaker 4: it than than most and she had this idea that
Speaker 4: it was all gonna probably end up a lot better
Speaker 4: than it did. And it breaks my heart further it didn't.
Speaker 4: And you know, I was with her those nights where
Speaker 4: she's you know, sitting on my couch and she's crying
Speaker 4: and she's sad and she's heartbroken, and you know, it
Speaker 4: killed me to see what she went through and the
Speaker 4: way Dan treated her. Yeah, it's pretty shit. And you know,
Speaker 4: again talking about her parents and the way that they
Speaker 4: were brought up and the way you know, her parents
Speaker 4: were like, this is wrong. We can't believe that you're
Speaker 4: doing this, which is exactly how my grandparents would be right,
Speaker 4: and so couldn't understand and couldn't empathize and couldn't help
Speaker 4: her with that. But she's such a strong woman and
Speaker 4: she knows like her person is out there and it
Speaker 4: ain't Dan, that's for sure. It ain't Dan.
Speaker 1: I mean he's another Harrison essentially. It's interesting start, well,
Speaker 1: at the start of not as bad, but at the
Speaker 1: start of the season we see Dan and Harrison go
Speaker 1: out and supposedly get girls' numbers. What's your thoughts on that,
Speaker 1: because I think Dan probably got a number. It seems Dan.
Speaker 4: Really fooled me. Like when that happened at that dinner party,
Speaker 4: I was like, Nah, not Dan. Dan wouldn't do that.
Speaker 4: It was all Harrison. He really did pull the wool
Speaker 4: over my eyes. I was all for Dan and Sandy.
Speaker 5: I'm like, he's a.
Speaker 1: Great guy, me too.
Speaker 4: Especially, Yeah, he like talks in Ted Talks. He knows
Speaker 4: what he's saying. He's always like switched on. He's super
Speaker 4: like emotionally manipulated us, and everyone as a group fell
Speaker 4: for his charm. Yeah, and you know, looking back, I
Speaker 4: have no doubt that he did get a girl's number and.
Speaker 5: Absolutely easily just glossed over.
Speaker 4: And I kind of think that's one thing that I
Speaker 4: got so frustrated with at one of the dinner parties
Speaker 4: when I was like, all you guys were so quick
Speaker 4: to point the finger at me, like all the guys.
Speaker 5: There's a lot you guys didn't see as well.
Speaker 4: You know, Duncan had something to say, Ollie had something
Speaker 4: to say. All of the men you you cheated, you like,
Speaker 4: and I copped it and I apologize and I took it.
Speaker 4: But if you are going to hold yourself to these standards,
Speaker 4: you need to hold it to every body by your
Speaker 4: own accord. Harrison's done wrong, Dan done the wrong, Hugo's
Speaker 4: done wrong, and not one of them said boo to
Speaker 4: the other man. And that's what really frustrated me.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is as well, like I know that
Speaker 1: you thought I was being like over dramatic with saying
Speaker 1: that Dan is like a Harrison. But the thing is
Speaker 1: is Harrison is very much a manipulator and he's not
Speaker 1: really trying to hide it, right, Like he's pretty much
Speaker 1: like I'm nascissist here I am, whereas like Dan, he's
Speaker 1: like an undercover one. And that's more scary is.
Speaker 4: He will try and like mind fuck you into thinking
Speaker 4: that he's not and you're like, am.
Speaker 5: I crazy here?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Gas lighting?
Speaker 1: Gaslighting can hate that word, you know, like we don't
Speaker 1: gaslight any but like that's the thing though, Like Sandy's
Speaker 1: allergic to the ocean, I'm allergic to chlorine pools. I
Speaker 1: can relate to her on some level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're allergic to chlorine.
Speaker 4: When he was walking out of that commitment ceremony, I
Speaker 4: was like, why do you go fuck a mermaid?
Speaker 1: Dan?
Speaker 4: I'm screwing that shoe.
Speaker 1: That's so good. I love it.
Speaker 2: Why does he want to a mermaid?
Speaker 5: The ocean was calling him. I need to go to
Speaker 5: my ocean, all right, you hermoicrat.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can mermaid.
Speaker 4: I was thinking, like, yeah, yeah, hah, okay, let's talk
Speaker 4: about your dating life next.
Speaker 1: Okay, so are you dating anyone at the moment?
Speaker 4: They're not dating at the moment, single, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think there's I think there's someone.
Speaker 5: I'm not ready to talk about this topic, just.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I think that coming off something like this,
Speaker 4: it is quite intense, and I think that there's you
Speaker 4: kind of need to focus on yourself. There's something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very sad enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want to I don't want to be
Speaker 4: a Judas and like Judas him, but like, there is
Speaker 4: someone I care about. Okay, it's just we're just.
Speaker 1: Going to park that for is it someone in the
Speaker 1: public eye? So it's summer someone.
Speaker 4: I want to protect and keep safe and okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: So would you say you're in a relationship.
Speaker 2: Then are you exclusive?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're in a relationship.
Speaker 4: We're so happy for you.
Speaker 2: How do you guys meet?
Speaker 4: We used to work together.
Speaker 2: Cute Yeah, kindergarten.
Speaker 4: Kindergarten teacher.
Speaker 2: Now are you doing kindergarten teaching?
Speaker 4: Then I'm doing nunning right now. So I work one
Speaker 4: on one with a couple of families before and after
Speaker 4: school care. Yeah, I love kids, I love you.
Speaker 2: Go back to the kindergarten teacher.
Speaker 4: I don't think I want to work in a center anymore.
Speaker 4: I just think that childcare worth because are so underpaid,
Speaker 4: you know, for twenty five dollars an hour, it's kind
Speaker 4: of not worth the high intensity stress. I would rather
Speaker 4: earn double that and work one on one with the
Speaker 4: family and work half the hours. Absolutely, someone's got to
Speaker 4: change there, to be honest, Like my sisters who work
Speaker 4: at Bunnings, and she would make like nearly double what
Speaker 4: I made. And there's just some massive, you know, discrepancy
Speaker 4: between the work that's put in and then.
Speaker 2: There's some good gigs.
Speaker 3: If you get a good nanny gig with a good
Speaker 3: setup that like I know, it's taken away with the
Speaker 3: family and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah. One of my girlfriends like, she goes to Queensland
Speaker 4: and she gets put up in beautiful.
Speaker 2: Get into the right family. So anyone that needs.
Speaker 1: So how long have you been with your partner?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't talking about Did he struggle watching maths?
Speaker 4: No, he didn't. He's super supportive. I was quite lucky.
Speaker 4: That's very he's been. Yeah, he's been a legend.
Speaker 2: He Yeah, that's what you want.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. I feel like he deserves
Speaker 1: a great guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, and he is. He's a legend.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: So tell us a little bit about your life after
Speaker 2: coming off the show.
Speaker 3: Then.
Speaker 2: Is it weird people recognizing you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, all of a sudden, Like I just feel like
Speaker 4: I'm some like Greek girl from the area, and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden people are like stopping me at Cole's
Speaker 4: and you know, got toilet paper in one arm and
Speaker 4: like strawberries and like and have a selfie and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: but it's super endoing. It's super nice. You know, I've
Speaker 4: had so much love. I haven't received a single, you know,
Speaker 4: no hate. It's been really lovely. So yeah, I'm more
Speaker 4: than happy to stop and chat to people. I was
Speaker 4: on the tram the other day in the tram driver
Speaker 4: like stopped the tram, got out of their little cage
Speaker 4: and she was like, can I have a photo? And
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, I went to the footy
Speaker 4: on Thursday night, like I'm a big footy girl.
Speaker 5: I love baggers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I was at the footy and so many
Speaker 4: people stop me.
Speaker 5: It was insane.
Speaker 4: Richmond people's yeah, I think about eighty five thousand of
Speaker 4: the like kind of sealthie. Oh my god, I kind
Speaker 4: of imagine I quite enjoy it. And it's yeah, you
Speaker 4: know what you're signing up for exactly, And yeah, I've
Speaker 4: been I think I've been pretty lovely to everyone, So yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Are, You're very lovely. Would you ever do another reality
Speaker 1: TV show?
Speaker 5: If asked, Yeah, I'd love to so. I love cooking.
Speaker 4: I'm a very great cook and even more so, I
Speaker 4: love eating. So I would love to do, like imagine
Speaker 4: doing like a cooking show with kids. I would love
Speaker 4: to incorporate my two passions of children and food yeah,
Speaker 4: I would love to do something like that.
Speaker 2: So we've got a platform it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd love.
Speaker 1: Maybe like a YouTube kind of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, imagine sting kids and nanny and you know, sitting
Speaker 4: up the cooking show. I run this program at my
Speaker 4: kindo called Playground to Play where we do everything from
Speaker 4: like seed propagation, sustainability, worm farms, we plant garden, we cook,
Speaker 4: so we'll grow out tomatoes and our basil and then
Speaker 4: we'll make a salad or whatever it may be. So
Speaker 4: that's really fun and I'd love to do I mentionine
Speaker 4: incorporating like something like that into the curriculum. Moll, It's so.
Speaker 1: I love that. Thank you so much for coming so far.
Speaker 1: It seems so fun getting to know you more. You're awesome, lovely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for coming on. I appreciate the chats
Speaker 3: about have you worked so much? I'm going to go
Speaker 3: back and watch it all because I already have.
Speaker 4: But he doesn't, He doesn't know what is sorious?
Speaker 1: Do you even know.
Speaker 5: Where I'm from? Do you know who I am?
Speaker 1: Thank you, Bye bye