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Speaker 1: Now I'm here at Operation Flinders, their headquarters at Edwardstown,

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Speaker 1: and they're gearing up for a big week because they

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Speaker 1: have their ten thousands young person going through the program

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Speaker 1: up in the Northern Flinders. The CEO is David walk

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Speaker 1: He's been here for three or so years now and

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Speaker 1: guiding the foundation. David good Mining Matthew tell me a

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Speaker 1: little bit about it. Operation Flinder's been going thirty three years.

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Speaker 2: I understand it has been started by a lady called

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Speaker 2: Pam Murray White, who's a fabulous person, that saw there

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Speaker 2: was an opportunity to impact on young people from circumstances.

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Speaker 2: It might be a bit challenging combining education with a

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Speaker 2: few other aspects of life. And she thought, if we

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Speaker 2: can get them up in the Flinders Rangers over a

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Speaker 2: campfire or next to a campfire, then I reckon we

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Speaker 2: can make a difference in their lives.

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Speaker 1: I wonder why she thought that. Why they're and not

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Speaker 1: down at the BA or you know, it's somewhere in

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Speaker 1: a hall, somewhere a community hall. Why that.

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Speaker 2: I understand that she lived in the mid North, so

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Speaker 2: the Flinders Rangers was really I suppose just on a doorstep. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was a pretty convenient place to go, and I

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Speaker 2: suspect that she had experienced a little bit herself of

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Speaker 2: the magic of sitting around a campfire and just what happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go, as simple as that, and it's

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Speaker 1: taken off. Now from that point, somebody decided I supposed

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Speaker 1: to tip in some funds to make it happen.

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Speaker 2: I think there was a whole lot of volunteers that

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Speaker 2: contributed in so many ways, with hours and hours of

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Speaker 2: would shape what the program has become today, and well

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Speaker 2: meaning people that sat around a campfire themselves, and so

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Speaker 2: wouldn't it be great if we could do this? And

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Speaker 2: how about we try that? And how about a bit

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Speaker 2: of this? And over the journey it shaped up into

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Speaker 2: something that is wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Okay, tell us about it today. So kids go up there,

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Speaker 1: and you mentioned challenging backgrounds. So these are kids who

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Speaker 1: are not in trouble, who haven't been in trouble as

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Speaker 1: I understand it with the law, for instance, but they're

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Speaker 1: kids who potentially might be starting to head down the

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Speaker 1: wrong track or need help in other areas of their lives.

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Speaker 2: So a school will choose young people that participate. So

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Speaker 2: we deal with forty to fifty schools around the state,

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Speaker 2: and most of them are from the regions with that many,

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Speaker 2: and they put together a team of ten generally from

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Speaker 2: year nine and year ten, but it could be outside

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Speaker 2: PHYSIT teachers dobbed in because they're the really nice ones,

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Speaker 2: being a form of PHYSIT teacher of course, Matthey. But

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Speaker 2: so the school sends a couple of leaders up the

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Speaker 2: ten young people, and we provide a team leader and

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Speaker 2: an assistant team leader. They're our volunteers. They're the ones

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Speaker 2: that sprinkle the magic upon the team over the journey.

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Speaker 2: So generally the first few days they're not real keen

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Speaker 2: no shower and god forbid, no social media. The diet

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Speaker 2: their bodies take a little bit of adjusting, but by

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Speaker 2: the end of it is normally a really powerful situation

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Speaker 2: and we've just done one hundred kilometers or so, and

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Speaker 2: we've survived of hiking, hiking absolutely and there are some

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Speaker 2: experiences along the way that we offer them that that

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Speaker 2: two things. And experience with the Adnam Martin elder, the

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Speaker 2: the traditional owners to country. Okay, So we offer them

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Speaker 1: And then you see them come out have you caught up?

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Speaker 1: Has Operation Flinders followed up with people who have gone

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Speaker 1: through this, perhaps even initially, who must be now aged

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Speaker 2: As it turns out that you can hardly wear an

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Speaker 2: want you to think as though every person is impacted enormously.

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Speaker 2: It's not like that by and large, and we track

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Speaker 1: Which is wonderful, and that's really good, and that's why

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Speaker 1: the program needs to continue. So today on Operation Flinders

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Speaker 1: dot org you're open for people to make donations to

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Speaker 1: keep it running into the future. How do you see

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Speaker 1: the future up there? I mean this is going to

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Speaker 2: Well, that's certainly the plan, Matthew. Of course we want

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Speaker 2: Operational Flinders to go on infinitum. You're certainly not running

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Speaker 2: out of people that want to and need our help.

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Speaker 2: But ten thousand people as of the current exercise, we

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Speaker 2: call it the current camp. Our ten thousandth young person

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Speaker 2: will happen a whole lot quicker. So we're in need.

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Speaker 2: We need some support. The government are good to us

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Speaker 2: and we have some really terrific back.

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Speaker 3: But we just need a bit more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So you say you want to run how

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Speaker 2: So there's five exercises or five camps a year that

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Speaker 1: And you imagine that's going to get less based out,

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Speaker 3: We would love to have that.

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Speaker 2: We have to be respectful of the land and the

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Speaker 2: so many days we can spend on the property. But

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Speaker 2: in terms of the number of participants per exercise, yes,

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Speaker 2: I think that's got an opportunity to grow.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's really good. That's positive, isn't it? And I suppose,

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Speaker 1: if anything, the sad part about it is that there's

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Speaker 2: I don't think the young people needing leadership and needing

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's ever going to run out.

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Speaker 2: But of course there are also some young people who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, schools obviously, as you say, they nominate the people,

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Speaker 2: Certainly so a lot of them come from family dysfunction.

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Speaker 2: I would say, not of their choosing, and that the

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Speaker 1: When they arrive. Some must think I've been brought to

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, just about every one of them when they got

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Speaker 2: You're going to sleep in that for the next eight nights.

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Speaker 2: of them, that in itself is an enormous challenge. Many

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Speaker 2: That's the young people that we're dealing with, and by

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Speaker 1: How many days does it take before the adjustment starts

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Speaker 2: And by five and six they're starting to really get it,

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Speaker 3: To stay there.

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Speaker 2: They've got an adult that actually listens to them, they've

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Speaker 2: So they're discovering a whole lot of stuff in terms

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Speaker 1: What do you do here where we are at Edwardstown,

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Speaker 1: and particularly with the climbing wall, is this training? Is it?

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Speaker 1: Do you bring the kids here beforehand? I don't imagine

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Speaker 3: No. No.

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Speaker 2: Here at Edwardstown, we've got our base, which is a

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Speaker 2: we have everything you can imagine you would need for

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Speaker 2: an hour or a year out in the outback. It's

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Speaker 2: a space that bear rules would really enjoy it, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of our people have that Bear Rules aspect

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Speaker 2: to them. But in terms of the climbing wall we

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Speaker 2: have here, we run programs. When people come back from

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Speaker 2: that initial experience from the core program, we run another

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Speaker 2: program that Tabby will talk about a bit later this morning,

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Speaker 2: and we give them the opportunity to stay involved with us.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And that's the thing a lot of them do,

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Speaker 1: don't They They come back as volunteers, as team leaders

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Speaker 2: Through absolutely So there's a program next step which, as

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Speaker 2: I say, Tavvy will elaborate on that the young people

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Speaker 2: can stay involved in and by and largely they really

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Speaker 2: enjoy the opportunity to give back.

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Speaker 3: For so many of them, and I think they.

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Speaker 2: Understand that the best way to help themselves is to

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Speaker 2: can do something for someone else here, I've been through

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Speaker 2: the experience and now I can pass on what I've learned.

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Speaker 1: David. The program it is a unique to Australia.

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Speaker 2: What you do here, I think there might be one

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Speaker 1: How did you find your way up to yank and Ninna?

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Speaker 1: How did that happen? How did that fall into the

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Speaker 2: There's there's some great stories about Operation Flinders experiencing or

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Speaker 2: The the unpastoral lease on where we are at yan Canna.

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Speaker 1: And what a place, the Flinders. So I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: Say, I'm sure the kids would love to fly and

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Speaker 2: It's going from for a lot of them, suburbia or

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a magic part of our state, no

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Speaker 1: Okay, so they come back here and right around here.

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Speaker 2: If they will, not necessarily in Edwardstown, but we certainly

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, that's great. So the program's roll on, as

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Speaker 2: Well for a lot on that that's okay, it's okay

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Speaker 2: But for so many of them, and I think we've

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Speaker 2: opportunity to stay connected to Operation Flenders and the type

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Speaker 2: of people we have working and volunteering here is just priceless.

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Speaker 2: So to continue having a weekend every three or four

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Speaker 2: weekends where they can go hiking, they can go by riding,

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Speaker 2: they can kayak, they can do a barista course, they

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Speaker 2: can do all sorts of things with us after that

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Speaker 1: Wonderful, David. Great meeting you today again and seeing you

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Speaker 1: here in your team, And I'll be looking forward to

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Speaker 1: having a chat with Maddie, one of your people who

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Speaker 1: goes up there as a volunteer and works with the teams,

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Speaker 1: which is a wonderful thing, so I'll hear her stories

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Speaker 1: and Tabby a bit later on talking about her role

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Speaker 1: involved in it as well. Thank you so much, David,

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Speaker 1: and for people that want to go on the website

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Speaker 1: Operation Flinders dot org dot you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for the opportunity, Matthew, you really

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Speaker 3: appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for hosting us. David Walk, CEO Operation Flinders,