1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Well now, as you know, I spent the weekend in 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Sjuna having a look at the social issues they've got there. 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: It was pretty quiet, being the weekend. All the agencies, 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: welfare and government are closed, so people leave the town. 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: And I did go driving around with someone who took 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: me right around the town and the camps that are 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: set up in the scrub. To be fair, no different 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: to what you see around the Adelaide park Lands from 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: time to time and other places as well. But people 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: are out of the town at least on the beautiful 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: I got to tell you beautiful. Not a single problem 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: in the town itself that I was aware of anyway. 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: And I was staying right on the foreshore by the 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: jetty in the motel there, the Foreshore Motel. It was 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: just quiet and peaceful. That's all I can tell you 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: about Sjuna over the weekend. Lovely, lovely place to go. 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: And on that foreshore I caught up with the Mea 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: Ken Maynard yesterday morning, beautiful Sunday morning in Sajuna, just 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: sitting at the foreshore at one of the benches here 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: and with the Mayor Ken Maynard, who's drinking a bottle 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: of water by the way because this is a dry zone, 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: which is a good place as any to start. Ken, 23 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: thank you for your time. Well, Ken, I've got to say, 24 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: being here now for I don't know, thirty six hours 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: or whatever it's been so far, I couldn't find a 26 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: more pleasant part of South Australia to visit. I've said 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: to a number of people. I think I've said this 28 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: on a recording earlier in the piece as well, but 29 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: the most violent thing I've seen is the cone that's 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: been chucked in the water off the jetty some probably 31 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: months ago, that's still sitting there. I have not seen 32 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: a single problem and it's just such a beautiful part 33 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: of South Australia. 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, well thanks for that, matthew An, thank you, thanks 35 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: for coming to Sogina to see for yourself firsthand what 36 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: we've got to offer. Yes, I'm like you. It's a 37 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: beautiful morning Sojura on the foreshore here with the lawn 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: area and all the rest of it and the sea views. 39 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: What else could you one for? As the tourists come 40 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: and go all the time from here, they sort of 41 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: or the tourists over there spoken to in the last 42 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 2: twelve eight months have all said similar things. A nice 43 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: place to stop shop and have a rest and keep going. 44 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 2: And we get constant travelers coming east or west. Let's face, 45 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: if you're going to go east or west from Perth, 46 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: you've got to come through Sojuna or along with deviations. 47 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: So we are not immune to it's not unusual. Well, 48 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: for example, of the caravan parks are constantly full and 49 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: some people stay for a couple of days, some stay 50 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: for a day, some stay for a week. It's just 51 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: it's a constant movement to people. 52 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 3: The people walking by. 53 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: Just as I started talking how to go at you, 54 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: you're drinking a bottle of water. Just for the record, 55 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: we are in a dry zone. But I suspect this 56 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: more to that little gibe because this area has been 57 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: full of people who have been drinking. 58 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: Why isn't that police. 59 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: Oh it is, Matthew. Police do do a good job 60 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 2: as trying to police it. The people who are constantly 61 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: seeking the alcohol, they get very cunning as the way 62 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: they hide it. A lot of Coca Cola is drunk 63 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: on this for area, you know, like Coca Cora. He's 64 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: very distinct. And you can add gym bean to that 65 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: and you can't see the gym bean, But a bottle 66 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: of jim bean goes a long way into lots of 67 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: bottles of coke, and so you'll see when it's active, 68 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: huge amounts of coca cola being consumed. 69 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: There's a bloke up the road in Brackets, I get it. 70 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: There's a bloke up the road though, who says he 71 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: collects fifty dollars worth of cans. Cans, and we're not 72 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: talking coke bottles or plastic or anything. The red cans 73 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: being west End fifty bucks a week. That's five hundred 74 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: cans a week, one hundred a day. That's what it 75 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: comes to. 76 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I must be coming in the wrong time Matthew 77 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: of the day to check it out. 78 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: He's cleaned up for you. 79 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: Well, I come during the summer. I was coming up 80 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: regularly every night to see and I couldn't see that 81 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: that many cans. Yeah, I look like I said, I 82 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: must be coming the wrong time of the day and 83 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: it's all cleaned up. But at the moment, towards the 84 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: end of the summer, the most popular way of drinking 85 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: was jim bean and coke. And I think that's half 86 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: the reason, well, some of the reason why the hotel 87 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: put their hand up and restricted the sales of those 88 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: heavy alcohol drinks until midday at least. 89 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: That then leads the drinking leads to the problem of fighting, 90 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: brawling that the anti social aspects, and I've heard so 91 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: many stories of shop owners and others talking about the 92 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: vomit left behind, the urine everywhere. I mean, these are 93 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: big problems that people that let alone the screaming, shouting, 94 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: fighting brawling that people have to live with and that 95 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: amongst your residents. Your tourists may not have that impression, 96 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: but your residents certainly do. 97 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: Oh that's true. Yes, this is a problem, and I 98 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 2: emphasize with the business owners in town having to put 99 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: up with that. That is one of the things that 100 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 2: on the downside of the alcohol abuse. In this face 101 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: of people who have got an alcohol addiction, they'll do 102 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: anything and everything to get their alcohol. The thing that 103 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: a lot of people don't I think don't appreciate is 104 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: that a lot of the people that cause these sort 105 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: of problems have come in from areas outside of Sojournan. 106 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: They've come from the ap white ants, they alter Western 107 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: Australia and the Northern Territory, and they come into town 108 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 2: and like well, where we are now. Look, you'd be 109 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: here in a hot day here in the lawn shaded area, 110 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: you've got the hotel bott load us up the road, 111 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: and you've got the CBD around the corner. So geographically 112 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: it's all adds to the perfect storm. Whereas he took 113 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: one of those components out and shifted it because they 114 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: maybe it would sort of leave out the problem it is. 115 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: And I emphasize with those business people, they were busy 116 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: and proactive and got letters written and we acknowledged them 117 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: in council. But there's just no magic wander Matthew. 118 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: Isn't there though? 119 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: I mean, should you as the mayor be taking a 120 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: stronger position on that with police, with the agencies that 121 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: are here because there's so many as well, there's so 122 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: many agencies. Should some of them be in those places 123 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: yet you mentioned like the ap wide Lands or yell At, 124 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: because if that's where the agencies are, arguably those people 125 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: would be staying in their own communities. 126 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 2: That's true, but again it's up to the agencies where 127 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: they locate themselves. We have an excellent relation as far 128 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: as Council and the police concerned. I admire they were 129 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: constantly they are constantly patrolling. Haven't seen any of this 130 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: morning beause there's no one here, but they're constantly coming 131 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: up and down here. 132 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 3: I've seen them, yeah, the last two days. 133 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: One of the restrictions they have I go back to 134 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: my coke and jim beans. Unless they can know for 135 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: sure it's alcohol, they can't really enforce the tipping out. 136 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: One of the strategies they used from day one of 137 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 2: the dry air and this has been a dryer for 138 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: thirty years, was I see an open container the last 139 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: coup it is. Of course, no one owns it, do they, 140 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: So they tip it out. Simple but strategy. We are 141 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: sort of trying to get it so that they can 142 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: have a bit more of a license, shall we say, 143 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: in the able to deal with what they finger is alcohol. 144 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: But until that's sort of ratified, we can't know much 145 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: about it. But no, we have a very active police force. 146 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, so are there enough police to give them that 147 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: you get so many people coming down, particularly over summer. 148 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: I believe. So I can't comment on how the police 149 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: structure of the air force. I'm told that the normally 150 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 2: they have twenty seven officers in town. They go twenty 151 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: four to seven at twenty four hours seven days a week, 152 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: constantly busy, and we do have from time to time 153 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: police officers here are mark cars cruising around seeing what's happening. Fortunately, 154 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: I haven't had any encounters with those yet I don't 155 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: want to, but i've seen them in operation and they 156 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: do come to town. We've had a policemen on motorbikes 157 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: patrolling the area around here all the time. But one 158 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: of the impediments the police have is that if they 159 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: detain someone, they have to then have a police officer 160 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: watching that person in the cells. I think that causes 161 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: a bit of stress, whereby perhaps the idea of having 162 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: someone other than the police looking after those people that 163 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: are incarcerated allow more time for sworn officers to do 164 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: their job. But I'll leave that to the police to 165 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: sort out. 166 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: You mentioned the letters written by businesses, some suggestions around 167 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: the town that they're not real, that they were written 168 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: off a pro forma. 169 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: What do you think are they real? 170 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: I could see where some people are thinking they're pro 171 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: former because they've virtually all had the same theme and 172 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: they all stressed and need for a castrous welfare card 173 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: to come back, which I did find a bit odd. 174 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: But anyway, that's their behest and that's the that's their 175 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: way of dealing with it. 176 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: Well, I've read them, and I reckon they sound familiar 177 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: or similar because they're talking about the same problem, and 178 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: it is one problem. It's anti social behavior at the 179 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: end of the day, it's what we're talking about which 180 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: is affecting particularly people on the foreshore. I guess over 181 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: some are depending on what your tourists see, you come 182 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: away with a bad reputation. Does that concern you by 183 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: the way that your tourists have seen this over that 184 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: busy period and may not think of the towns as 185 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: wonderfully as I do over the last couple of days, I. 186 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: Can see whether that would be the fat could be 187 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: the fact, but I'm reassured by talking to tourists, but 188 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: it's not the case. I'm now told that the tourists, 189 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 2: particularly through modern type technology, have got their own vibes happening, 190 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: and they're saying, ignore all the bad publicity. So there's 191 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: nowhere near as bad as so it is portrayed as 192 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: a nice place now. The care aund parks are full 193 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: every night, as you can see any as you can 194 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: see this morning, there's a slight traffic coming through during 195 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: the weeks. Sometimes it's is full of tourists doing that. 196 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: The lady behind us were now taking photos, so I 197 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: can see that could be, but I don't think in 198 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 2: reality it. 199 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: Is just coming back to businesses and those letters. The 200 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: other thing with them, you said all of them were 201 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: opposed to the card being removed, the welfare card. There 202 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: was one that sticks in my mind from somebody who 203 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: wrote I was opposed to the card in the first place. 204 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: But I can I can trace it to the day 205 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: the problems began in this town. Was the day the 206 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: card disappeared. So you know they're not all exactly the same. 207 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: No, that's sair enough. Unfortunately, when the card disappeared, that 208 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: wasn't the end of October twenty twenty two. I think 209 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: it was now that card was due to disappear at 210 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: the end of October. I think the government brought it 211 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: forward by a couple of weeks. Now the card had 212 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: been on a trial for six years, Matthew, six years 213 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: of a trial card to see how things were going. Now, 214 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: surely in six years you'd have had enough data to 215 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: prove if it was working or not working to what 216 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: you were originally wanted. So I'm sort of a losss 217 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: to why it took six years and it's still under 218 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: trial now. Surely if the government of the day had 219 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: enough data to prove that was working, they would have 220 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 2: had the intestinal for a true to take it to 221 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 2: Parliament and get it READI fied for permancy, but that 222 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: was still on a trial period the day it stopped. 223 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: Do you reckon, Ken Maynard? You're reflecting your community in 224 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: where all this is at, because I mean the tourists 225 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: of one thing, as we've said, your communities wanting you 226 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: to lead, Do you reckon, You're reflecting their views across 227 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: the board. 228 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, Matthew, the Council of now, 229 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: as of the last meeting we've adopted, we've discussed the 230 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 2: idea of asking for the Casuist Wealth for card to 231 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: be brought back. A lot of discussion. It was agreed 232 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 2: to that what we're going to plug for is that 233 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: mandatory income management for vulnerable and and risk persons that's 234 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: currently in place, but not the mandatory part. People can 235 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: elect to go on that card. We understand it won't 236 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: take too much to change it. So the words mandatory 237 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: come into play stress mandatory. So if an agency is 238 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: where we're dealing with people that they consider to be 239 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: vulnerable at risk can place them on the income management 240 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 2: card mandatory. We see that more of a chance in 241 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: getting up. I can't see the present government changing their view. 242 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: They went to the last election to say that to 243 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: get rid of it. They got rid of it despite 244 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: all that protests and whatever. I can't see them bring 245 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: it back in in such a short term. 246 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,599 Speaker 3: Will there'd be a lot of humble pie, wouldn't they? Do? 247 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: You know governments humble power? 248 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: I don't. 249 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: I would say the slice would be very, very small 250 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: because again, like I said, people coming from outside of 251 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: our town impact on it greatly. So unless it's introduced system, 252 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 2: why it's not going to have that much effect Because 253 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: most of the people come into our town from outside. 254 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: We're never on the cashless welfare card. They've always had 255 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 2: access to their cash. What having that access to was 256 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: alcohol here. So it's the problem is complex. 257 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: It certainly is complex, there's no doubt about that. So 258 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: you'd be putting a lot of faith in in the 259 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: agencies and your resolution or wasn't your resolution? Was it 260 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: a council resolution? 261 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 262 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: They it did pass five to three to go down 263 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: this path to talk about mandatory income protection. So you'd 264 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: be relying on the agencies then to do. 265 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: That, oh for sure. And I think the agency is 266 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: had their good intentions. They are concerned as lerel as 267 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: everyone else about the impact of our coll abuse on 268 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: people and the effect of their lifestyle. Some of the 269 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: agencies I'm sure would be very keen for that to happen. Now, 270 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 2: the agencies consist of hospitals, ambulance, police, Red Cross centeleg 271 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: all those government non government agencies are involved. They meet 272 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: regularly and discuss individual cases on a confidential basis, of. 273 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: Course, So who'd make the decision in the end? Would 274 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: it be the Far West Original Corporation? Would it be 275 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: SAPLE who decide? 276 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: I think that's the determined Matthew, I leave that to 277 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: someone else that to decide more payoff for me. But 278 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: the whole concept of that being mandatory is the key 279 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: word I think, and I think I would defy anyone 280 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: to deny that would work. I note with the interests 281 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: that the Sugenior Original Corporation have come out and supported 282 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: that decision. I think that would be a long way 283 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: to helping read the situations of our cohol abuse. The 284 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 2: other thing that council's plugging for and other agencies in 285 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: town area is the return of the mandatary not mandatary 286 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: the work for the Dole scheme mutual obligation that was 287 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: suspended some time ago, and that nearly meant that people 288 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 2: everywhere had to spend time in their community doing community 289 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: work to get their payments. That would be an incentive 290 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: to stay in the community, yes, or return at least 291 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: regular basis. 292 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: So you'd like to see that reintroduced. 293 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: Council, Suoner, Council, so Genier average of corporation can never Council, 294 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: Theater Council and Oak Valley Council are all plugging the 295 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: government for that to be introduced. We see that as 296 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: a one of the major plugs in the gaps to 297 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: get things resolved. 298 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: And that is one of the complexities here as well, 299 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: isn't it, Because there are so many different moving parts 300 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: to this, and certainly getting that back and I've spoken 301 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: to people who are just adamant that has to be 302 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: has to be one of the solutions. I've been around 303 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: the town, the dirt roads and whatever, and I've seen 304 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: quite a few people sleeping rough here and there and 305 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: other places where camps have been and there's just so 306 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: much junk that's been left around. The cleanup of all 307 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: this must be for your council just astronomical in terms 308 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: of people's rates. You want money, council money and the 309 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: community's money being used to address these issues. 310 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: It must be casting your fortune. 311 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: Well that we mainly concentrate on the area here in 312 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: our Matthew, and that doesn't require a great deal of 313 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: council time and effort to be cleaned up. We are 314 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: receiving funding through Far West Original groups to assist with that. 315 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: Outside of the areas, a lot of that's on private 316 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: land or crowned lund as cleaned. As soon as you're 317 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: clean it up one day, it's back the next. Interesting enough, 318 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: people have spoken to the guys that are sleeping rough 319 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: and they prefer that because, let's face it, where they 320 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: come from, there's no facilities, there's no alcohol, and so 321 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: they're quite happy to put up with that. You write 322 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: about you talk about the letters. Well, some businesses are 323 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: doing all right out of the situation, especially those supplying 324 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: tents and sleeping again and all the rest of it. 325 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: And the hotel is doing all right unfortunately, you know, 326 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: and well interesting enough, our hotel has community owned so 327 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: in around that way, the community is sort of benefiting 328 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: in some ways around that way. 329 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get what you're saying, but that's not good. 330 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: I first agree that the hotel's doing good. 331 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 3: It's not good. 332 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: No, it's not. The Only good thing is we're not 333 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: lying some individual's pocket or some hotel chain. As a 334 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: matter of interest, last year of the hotel here took 335 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: sixteen point six million as a revenue. That's including the 336 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: caravan parks and all the rest of it. So it's 337 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: a disproportionate amount of money, but it is what it is. 338 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 3: Gambling as a result. 339 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: So Pokey's are a big attraction for people coming down 340 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: with cash in their pocket from apy Lands or wherever. 341 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: So does that need looking at in some way? I mean, 342 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: is there anything? I don't know. It's a council, you'd 343 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: be able to do anything. But would you like something 344 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: to happen in that regard. 345 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: I know there's some people around town advocate that the 346 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: pokes get done away with good luck telling that to 347 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: the hotel board. That is obviously impacting on the well 348 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: being of people. I guess the only thing upside of 349 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: that is the fact they're not drunk if they're spending 350 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: on pokey as they can't be spending it on booze. 351 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: So it's a bit of six of one of the 352 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: os does that way. It's not great, not great, No, 353 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: there's no argument about that. There's no argment about it. 354 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: If well, particularly the people from West Australia, they don't 355 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: have pokes in West Australia and the casino, so that 356 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: is an attraction. And it's not just the people visiting 357 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: town like the poky's. There's some locals that like the 358 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: pokers too, and both communities. 359 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: I've heard stories and this happens everywhere, but it's tragic 360 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: that it does. But kids going to school hungry because 361 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: there's no money in the house to feed them. As 362 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, the robberies in roadhouses, it's kids going in 363 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: grabbing food because they're hungry. That's probably the most heartbreaking 364 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: part of all this, isn't it to some degree? I 365 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: Mean there's so many heartbreaking parts to it all, but 366 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: that's certainly one of them. 367 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: Certainly the kids going to school, well, I drive a 368 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: school bus Matpview and they have a breakfast club at 369 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: the school and so there's always pressure on to get 370 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: in time for that. Kids are provided with lunches, so 371 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: that's sort of ollivious. That problem the roadhouse is sure 372 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: their layout tends to make it so easy for people 373 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: to take things. A couple of their roadhouses, some of 374 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: them will switched on and got their fittings, so you 375 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: can't take food. The one that gets to hammering the 376 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: most is the character was a shell. You could walk in, 377 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: you take two steps and you're in the pies and passes. 378 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: When it changed over from being a shell road out 379 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: to a coltext, I thought they would have revamped the layout. 380 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: Ken, what would you say to people in the town 381 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: who say you're not doing enough for the council's not 382 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: doing enough. You're not doing enough as mayor to get 383 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: on top of the problem. So what's your response to them. 384 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 2: I could see that they would see that. But we 385 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 2: are working behind the scenes for quite productively all their 386 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: agencies with in constant contact with his partner of Social 387 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: services in Canberra. And now we've got this idea that 388 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: we're going to push for the minetary card and the 389 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: return to the dole scheme. I think was what we're 390 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: going to do. We could make all the Hulzon screens. 391 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 2: We want to all we're going to do is this 392 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: get a cold shoulder from the present government. Anyway, I'd 393 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: sot of work with them and against them, and I 394 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: think in the long term we'll get there, but it's 395 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: going to take time. 396 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: Can Maynard thank you for your time. 397 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: Thank you, Matthew, thanks you.