WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 8 May 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:08.399 Wait, welcome the Late Debates. Well, good evening and thanks 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:09.600 for joining us on the Late Debate. 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.480 James Macpherson with Liz Storer and filling in for Caleb 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:16.319 Bond Danika di Georgio coming up tonight. Did you know 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:19.959 you can be fined in Victoria for using your vacuum 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.320 cleaner after ten pm? That's right, that's on the law 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.200 books in Victoria, plus a lot of other crazy laws. 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:28.480 Will bring to you a little later when we look 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.840 at what's making news tomorrow. Adam Bant, of course is 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.280 out of parliament. That's big news in all of tomorrow's papers, 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:39.200 and of course Anthony Albanezi reshuffling his front bench. 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:40.960 We'll get to all of that soon. 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.760 But in big news from Queensland, experts want to make 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:49.800 smacking your child a criminal offense. I hope my parents 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.440 aren't watching because if this gets up, they could be 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:53.360 in a lot of trouble. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.160 Actually think, hey, is it retrospective? 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.080 Can can we make you retrospect? I've got to be honest, Liz, 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:01.120 I just hope my kids aren't watching this. 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:08.200 Currently, laws provide a key defense against assault charges when 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:12.920 striking kids, allowing for reasonable corporal punishment, but experts want 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.039 that defense scrapped, saying children deserve to have the same 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:19.960 protections against assault as adults or pet. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.959 So here's the thrust of the argument from the Queensland 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:28.679 Law Reform Commission, who are reviewing smacking laws nationally. They 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:32.120 say smacking should be against the law because it's akin 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:33.280 to beating. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:34.200 Wives and slaves. 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.520 That's according to more than one hundred health and welfare 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:42.240 experts who have had input into this review of domestic 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:47.240 discipline laws lives. I just think keep experts away from 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.000 parenting of children. But anyway, what do you think should 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.040 smacking be illegal? 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.680 Spare the rod, spoil the child. 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:58.520 This is how kids have been disciplined for centuries, to 0:01:58.760 --> 0:01:59.960 great effects. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.600 And nobody knows a child better than its parents. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:07.000 So every parent knows there's plenty of really soft natured kids. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.000 One stern word and that precious bottom lip comes out. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.880 It's all over, discipline done. But if you're unfortunate like 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:16.000 my parents. 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.079 Were, to have a child like me, you need to. 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.000 Employ some physical discipline. 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:23.440 I was one of those kids. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:28.320 I tested them on a daily basis, and Lord knows, 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.440 I'm sorry as an adult, but in our house it 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:36.560 was Proverbs twenty thirty, which stays blues that wound cleanse 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:41.400 away evil and strokes mets make clean the most inner parts. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:42.720 That's what my mum would say. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:48.720 She's like, strikes cleanse the inner parts. Ie, this is discipline. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.120 None of the other kids got smacked half as much 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:51.760 as I did. 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:53.040 But I was one of those. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.600 Kids, and parents know when they've got one of those 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.520 kids and a good smack is called for. And I 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:03.160 find that incredibly ironic that this is coming from the 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.400 state that has the worst. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.480 Juvenile crime rate in the nation. 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.800 One wonders if those parents had employed a few smacks 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.000 in their younger years, if those. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.040 Juveniles would be acting out in the way that they are. 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:22.360 It's tried, it's true, and like I say, it's not forever, Rekid, 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.960 But I'd love to know how many of these healthcare 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:30.960 experts and whatever they consider themselves are parents and b 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.440 have parented a strong willed child. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.040 I can imagine why you would have needed a lot 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.520 of smacks growing up, Lizbeth Denika, I'm sure you would 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:41.800 never have needed discipline. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.640 No, I was actually a really good kid, as you 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:44.800 can probably imagine. 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.000 I was an angel, you know, I was. 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.160 I was to be fair, I think maybe my parents 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.440 smacked me maybe once, and I never did it again. 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.400 I was just well, kid, oh god, I want kid. 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.080 One little smack. Now, look, here's what I will say. 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.480 This is what bothered me about these so called experts. 0:03:58.520 --> 0:03:59.160 It's one line. 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.960 It says the experts said in their submission that corporal 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:07.480 punishment is ineffective, harmful, and a violation of children's rights. Now, 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.640 this is what these experts don't understand. There is a 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.440 very big difference between child abuse, where a child is 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:18.400 actually physically harmed, to a little tap a tap a 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.880 minu smack, two very contrasting things. And this is what 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:26.160 they don't understand here. Let parents be parents, Let parents 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.440 be the judge. Let parents decide what is best for 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:29.040 their kids. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:30.200 There is nothing. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.520 Wrong, in my opinion, with a little tap. Don't do 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:34.599 that again. In fact, what I think is even more 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:38.240 concerning is the soft parenting these days. You go to 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.760 the shops and you've got these little devils running around 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:44.400 driving everybody nuts, and you've got the parents going, oh, love, no, 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.120 please don't do that. I've asked you really nicely. Drives 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.200 me insay, that is worse. If that was my kid 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.599 to go do that again, try that one again. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.560 But this is the problem. It's soft parenting. So I 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.400 actually think that is worse than a. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.719 Little smack, a little bit of discipline, and actually talking 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.479 to my parents about this, and my dad even raised 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:03.880 a good point is that when I was at. 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.360 School, we used to get the bellots, we used to. 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.120 Get the gray can. Let me tell you this, we 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.359 never did it again. We pulled our socks up. So 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.880 discipline so that they don't grow up being little devils. 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:14.520 Tell you, I've been at the shops, I've seen the 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.800 kids you're talking about, and I've felt like volunteering to 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:17.960 you know, have. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:19.080 You go at smacking that child. 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.680 I think the experts here are confusing a couple of things. 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:25.559 They're confusing discipline with violence. So they make the point 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:30.039 that smacking your child sends the message that violence is acceptable, 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.040 except any normal parent when they smack their child, it's 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.280 not an active violence, it's an active discipline. Those two 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.239 things are very different. The second thing they're confusing. 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:41.400 Is love with abuse. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.880 Yes, you don't smack your child because you want to 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.320 abuse your child. You smack your child because you love 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.520 your child enough to correct them and to teach them 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:53.680 boundaries and consequences exactly. You don't discipline your child because 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.520 you don't love them. You discipline them because you do. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.080 I used to go to a Christian school and we 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.920 used to get the paddle if we misbehaved, and one 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.760 time the entire class got the paddle. We played war 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.840 at lunchtime. We're throwing rocks at each other's heads and sticks. 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.240 Everything in the class. I was the first one. 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.760 Right, how many times did you get the paddle? 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:14.640 So here was the thing we were eached to get 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:16.880 four wax on the bum with the paddle, right, this 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.520 is grade five. I get taken in first, I bend over, 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.640 and what they did was they would hit you, and 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.240 then you would have to give the teacher a hug 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.279 and say thank you for caring enough about me to 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:26.919 discipline me. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.000 And then they were there, so they were correcting you 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:30.360 full on. 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:33.839 Here anyway, I got smacked twice, by which point they 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.040 meant to be four. But I cried so much they 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.920 couldn't bear smack me again. But because I was first up, 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.520 they couldn't smack me twice and everyone else four times, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.520 So I was the hero of the class. 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.120 Name about punishment, you know. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:52.920 The problem with it's this soft approach, right, The kids 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.440 do actually grow up to be little brats thinking that 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.520 the world revolves around them because they've never had any discipline, 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.599 they've never had someone to this is right from wrong. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.040 Don't do this again, and this is the problem, and 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:05.640 I do. I think you raise a good point. There's 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:09.320 a difference between love and child abuse and that and 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:10.840 let parents make that say. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.600 Don't know the difference you've got. No, you should be 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:14.080 a parent, parents, but you. 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:15.640 Shouldn't be a parent if you don't know the difference. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:16.040 As well. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.480 The other thing they say to the commission's review is 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.640 they say that smacking is quote out of step with 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.800 current societal beliefs. Will God help us if everyone's got 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.800 a parent their kids according to current societal beliefs, because 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.360 that's just going to be, you know, lowest common denominator, right, Exactly, 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.720 you parent your children according to the principles of your 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.720 family and what you genuinely believe is in the best 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:44.040 interests of your child, not according to a poll taken 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.440 by experts of what everybody reckons should happen. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.280 Yeah, usually ridiculous. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.440 And I always say on these topics, if you want 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.920 to talk to me about children's rights. You're all better 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:59.800 be avid supporters of pro life because surely we can 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:05.640 read that the right to life trump's all rights. Surely well, no, 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:10.119 not if your New South Wales mlc Amanda Cone. She's 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:14.120 tabled a bill in Parliament which is being debated this evening, 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:19.480 which would make it impossible for any hospital in Australia 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:25.040 to refuse to facilitate abortions. There are other elements of 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.720 this amendment to the abortion laws here in New South Wales, 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.240 but that is one of the primary ones. And of 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.560 course this poses a huge problem because there are over 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:39.520 eighty five hospitals here in Australia that are operated by 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.400 the Catholic Church. There are obviously other hospitals that are 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:44.560 run by other. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.640 Faiths, so we know who this bill. 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.120 Is targeting, which is why last night, when the second 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:55.360 rally opposing this bill took place on the steps of 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.640 New South Wales Parliament, you can see. 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:01.719 The crowds there. There were thousands in attendance. This was a. 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:06.040 Gigantuan effort by the pre eminent pro life voice here 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.840 in Australia, doctor Joanna Howell. She's led the charge on 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.880 opposing this bill, and who shows up to speak strongly 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.600 to this issue none other than former Prime Minister Tony 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.080 Abbot himself. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:20.160 Here's what he had to say. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.760 May God bless you, May God bless our country, and 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:30.120 may God bless our society from this shameful act of decline. 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.680 I deem you were ready to think that there are. 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:38.679 Thousands tell you his country and the sud It's a 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.280 shameful attempt to cancel Christianity. 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.000 It's an assault on our fundamental rights. 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:48.319 And freedoms, and my friends, it must be fought. 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:49.680 It must be. 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:56.960 Fought here here, Tony Abbot. Now we all know that 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:03.040 abortion is readily available and incredibly affordable throughout the nation 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:07.280 thanks to government subsidies your tax dollar, whether you agree 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:08.079 with it or not. 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:08.880 So we know. 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:13.600 Again who this bill is targeting. And Tony Abbott didn't 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:15.520 waste words once again when he. 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.040 Was speaking to Kredlin on this issue last night. 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:23.240 It's trying to force health professionals with a conscientious objection 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:27.360 to abortion to facilitate, not just to refer, but to 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:34.200 actually facilitate people having abortions. Fundamentally, it's designed to force 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.360 Christian people out of the healthcare system. It's designed to 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:44.720 force Catholic and other Christian hospitals, other religious hospitals out 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:49.040 of the healthcare system unless they are to sacrifice their principles. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:54.160 Good news tonight that part of the bill that provision 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:58.920 that Amanda Cone has put up has been defeated, the 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.920 one that would have given powers to the health minister 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:07.200 in New South Wales to force all hospitals to facilitate abortions. 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:08.840 But as doctor Joanna. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:12.720 How explained to Kredlin this evening, there are three elements 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.800 of this bill that must be defeated. 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.080 Have a watch. You mentioned four elements of the bill. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.720 You're defeated one. What are the other three? 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:24.760 Look? 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.120 The second aspect of the bill removes all to hard 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.800 to keeping requirements on abortion, just essentially pushes it underground. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:36.080 The third element forces doctors to be involved in abortion 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.760 that to actively transfer, which makes them morally complicit. And 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.440 the fourth element, which is the one I'm most worried about, 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.640 because my sources tell me that this is the one 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.160 that Chris Mins and Labor want to push through, is 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.640 the ability to turn nurses and midwives into abortioness if 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:54.040 this passes, this will make it even easier to end 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.319 the lives of innocent babies in this state. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.760 Indeed, at the moment, you must be a doctor in 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.520 order to perform abortions here in Australia. 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.200 This bill seeks to change that as well. 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:11.160 Strength to the arm of absolutely everyone opposing this, Like 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.240 I say, it's already available, already affordable throughout the nation. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.320 This bill is an absolute abomination and I hope none 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.679 of these amendments to the abortion laws here in New 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:22.679 South Wales get up. 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.720 New South Wales already has incredibly liberal abortion laws. 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.679 Abortion does yes right up until. 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:32.800 The point of birth, and yet the Greens say no, no, 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.280 that's not enough. The Greens want abortion to be available 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:40.600 within a reasonable distance of everybody within New South Wales. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.000 It's not enough that abortion is not illegal. They want 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.359 it to be a medical right, as if it's healthcare. 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.880 In fact, the Australian College of Midwives who support this 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:55.360 bill so that midwives who are charged with delivering babies 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.240 would also be empowered to end the life of a 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.360 baby before it's born. They describe abortion as quote unquote 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:07.080 abortion care, and so not only are babies being killed, 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.680 the English language is dying as well. The idea that 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:15.800 they would remove all data is no accountability to know 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.000 how many abortions are happening. What about babies born alive 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.800 that's been a big issue after a foiled abortion, there 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:23.280 would be no data on that. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.040 I can understand what they. 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.880 Do to be made public. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:32.360 And of course the Greens MP who's pushing this, lamented 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.280 the fact that only three of two hundred and twenty 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:39.800 public hospitals in New South Wales routinely provide abortion and 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:44.440 advertise the facts. So the Greens want hospitals to be 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.040 advertised in the fact that you can get an abortion 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.280 here as if, as I said, this is a standard 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.880 healthcare practice. Tony Abbott once said abortion should be legal 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.240 but rare. The Greens seem to want to make it 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:01.319 not only legal, but a human right and abundant. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:01.640 Yeah. 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.880 Look, I've got to admit I'm a bit different to 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.360 you both when it comes to the abortion issue. I 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.800 do not have an issue with medical abortions up to 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.200 nine weeks, which is the general standard. It is something 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.320 that I believe, you know, that's just my personal opinion. 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.199 I firmly believe that a woman should have a choice. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.240 It is a woman's body. She should be able to 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.080 do what she wants with it. However, I do. I 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.120 do take issue with this Greens bill. I take a 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.200 lot of issue with it because a woman, in my opinion, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.800 should have right to go to a facility to have 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.880 an abortion if that is what she wants. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.200 To do at a safe facility. 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.160 However, the issue is that they should not expect religious 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.400 staff or people of faith, or midwives or nurses who 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.320 do not want to terminate a child. 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.040 Then I believe that they shouldn't have to. 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.480 Then they shouldn't be going to those places, and those 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.720 workers should not have to if their conscience says I 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.000 cannot go ahead with this, then we should be able 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.720 to respect that. I think the Greens are very dangerous 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.360 to ram this bill through. The Greens have been dangerous 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.200 on this issue. And I'll even admit that if though 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.840 I have my personal views on it, putting healthcare workers 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.440 in an impossible position, I just cannot even imagine what 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.120 that decision would be like. I mean, imagine being faced 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.760 with that impossible choice. So I think the Greens have 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.200 taken this to an absolute new level. I do not 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:16.120 agree with that, but if you're asking me for my 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.480 opinion on it, then I don't have a problem with 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.200 a medical abortion up to nine weeks. 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.720 Well, the Greens certainly want to push the limits on. 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:24.240 This and. 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:31.800 Unfortunately that Danika, A lot of people would support that. 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.120 It's a very secular view, that's that's what a lot 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:38.640 of people would rally behind. But unfortunately, in every single 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.360 state and territory in Australia. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:42.080 That's not the law. 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:46.200 The law is far more liberal about late term abortion. 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:46.960 Which I disagree with. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.920 I would put that on the red talking eye. 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.760 I agree, and they still want to believe, oh club ourselves. 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.880 I totally agree late term abortions make me feel sick. 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.880 I completely disagree with that. It makes me feel absolutely sick. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.680 Talking medical abortions up to nine weeks, I'm not talking. 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.800 I completely agree there, and I do think it is dangerous. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.760 I'm definitely curious to see how a Catholic premiere in 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.360 chris Min's well will handle this problem. 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.840 The problem is a very difficult topic, very difficult topic 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:18.560 for politicians. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.080 None of them want to get involved in it. And 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:21.479 you look what happened in the Queens. 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:26.960 But the Queens, look what happened to David Chris Afay 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.040 right David Chris a fall in Queensland This was raised 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.800 during the Queensland election campaign and it could have been 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.040 a disaster for the L and p up in Queensland 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.120 because I don't want to touch it because it is 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.960 such a sensitive issue. Well gut for no, gut for sure, No, 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:41.640 but to. 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:45.640 Get out in politics every hot topic is you're going 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.120 to be like, oh, I care about saving my own 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.680 hide more than standing up for what's right. 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.560 That's what we saw in Crucify. 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.440 I said for shame then and I repeat it now, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.680 like for shame. If you aren't going to stand by 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.720 your convictions best in the past, when it's actually going 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.080 to cost you, then guess what, you don't have it. 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.400 No, look I don't disagree with that, but look it's 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.240 a topic that politicians purchased, male politicians of particular, I 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.160 hate talking about and I can understand why. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:15.679 But look, let's move on. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:17.840 We need to talk about the latest of course, with 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.800 Jacinta Nampa Jim for Price, because this evening she gave 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.760 that bombshell news that she was leaving the Nationals Party 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.960 going to join the Liberal Party, saying that she wants 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.560 to help rebuild of course, after the shocking election loss. 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.920 At the weekend, here she was speaking to Peter Kredline 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:36.639 a little earlier. 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.479 I've always felt like the Liberal Party room is my 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:45.199 natural home, given you know, the Liberal Party is the 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:49.960 freedom Party, the party of responsibility. Given the current circumstances, 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.840 I think now more than ever, when it's strong people 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.320 within the Liberal Party, we need to be able to rebuild. 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:02.080 We need to ensure that we don't lose support. 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.600 Now, she sort of foreshadowed this news earlier in the week, 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.919 and you can imagine she has great leadership ambition. She 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.959 is one of the very rare voices of reason in 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:12.800 this country. 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:13.320 Now. 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.760 It has been reported that she could run on a 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.159 unity ticket with Angus Taylor, who set to be running 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:23.080 for the leadership role of the coalition, and running with 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.200 her as his deputy otherwise if not, of course, says 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:30.320 Susan Lee in play, possibly Dan Tean, But you'd think 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:34.159 with the star power that Jacinder Price brings, it's a 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.440 pretty good unity ticket to be running on. No matter 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.840 what you think about Angus Taylor. The problem is where 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.440 does this leave the Nationals. The Nationals leader David little 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.439 Proud put out a statement this evening saying that he 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.280 was very disappointed by the decision. 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:48.119 But it was Matt Canavan. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.040 Earlier on he told The Daily Telegraph he described Jaciner 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.159 Price as being like the Lydia Thorpe of the Nationals Party. 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.120 But here he was on Shari and he didn't hold back. 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:04.359 She's doing a sperm She's doing this for her the rubbish. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:06.479 She's doing it for her ambition and good luck to her, 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.720 good luck to her. But people are sick and tired 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:10.159 of that. She's going to run for a party she 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:11.960 hasn't even not even a member of yet, She's not 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:13.120 even a member of yet she's going to. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:14.359 Run for the leader of that party. 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.240 Just a week ago Jacenta was using National's party funds 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:17.920 to be elected. 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.480 Now I've got to sales surprised by those comments by 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.720 Matt Canavan. Why can't she have leadership ambitions and who's 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.000 to say that she won't do well? I think that 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:28.920 just enterprise, as I said, is one of the only 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:30.040 voices of reason. 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:30.560 In this country. 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.880 She basically single handedly won it for the No campaign 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:39.359 during the Voice to Parliament referendum. She inspired Australians and 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.719 I also think that she is a leader who unites 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:42.400 this country. 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:44.400 She doesn't see us by the color of our skin. 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:46.800 She doesn't want to divide us by race. She says 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:47.600 we are all one. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.399 She says we need to stand in front of the 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:50.479 Australian flag. 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.760 She wants to make Australia great again. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:53.920 Who would have thought, what a. 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.760 Revelation making Australia great again. But this is a woman 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.360 that I honestly think people could look up to. Young 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.200 women in particular can also look up to her. Now, 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.600