Speaker 1: On scorings Australia.
Speaker 2: This is the Reader Panalty Show.
Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panehy Show. I'm
Speaker 3: Cali Marcus filling in for RITA coming up tonight. Alban
Speaker 3: EASi stood up by Trump at the G seven.
Speaker 4: I'll bring you all the latest with my panel.
Speaker 3: In a moment a university academic stood down after calling
Speaker 3: for Zionists to be executed. New South Wales Liberal MP
Speaker 3: Chris Rath joins me with the details and of course
Speaker 3: left he's losing it, featuring this totally sane individual.
Speaker 5: No, no, god boy good.
Speaker 3: But let's begin with Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi being blind
Speaker 3: sided after US President Donald Trump decided to leave the
Speaker 3: G seven early and before they'd had a chance to meet,
Speaker 3: without any warning to Australia. It follows weeks of will
Speaker 3: they won't they speculation about a first face to face
Speaker 3: meeting between the pair, where the Orchist deal was due
Speaker 3: to be the.
Speaker 4: Main topic of discussion.
Speaker 3: Now there are concerns over the future of the Defense
Speaker 3: packed as the US conducts its review into the agreement,
Speaker 3: led by prominent Orcers skeptic Trump's under Secretary of Defense
Speaker 3: Policy Elbridge Colby, but there was a glimmer of hope
Speaker 3: during Trump's joint appearance with the UK Prime Minister Keth Starmer,
Speaker 3: where he indicated the deal would proceed.
Speaker 1: Yep, we're proceeding with that.
Speaker 4: It's a really important deal to both of this.
Speaker 2: I think the person that was doing a review, we
Speaker 2: did a review when we came into government, so that
Speaker 2: makes good sense to me. But it's a really important
Speaker 2: We're very long time partners and allies and friends, and
Speaker 2: we've become friends in a short period of time.
Speaker 3: Joining me now for the latest on this is the
Speaker 3: Deputy executive director at the Institute of Public Affairs, Daniel
Speaker 3: Wild and News Corps senior Patrick Carline.
Speaker 4: Thank you both of you. Now, Dan, it was.
Speaker 3: A bit embarrassing, I think for Albanizi to be stood
Speaker 3: up by Trump just minutes after he'd confirmed to media
Speaker 3: that he'd secured a meeting, and reportedly with no prior
Speaker 3: notice to Australian officials.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6: I've got to say, Caroline that that's a clip you
Speaker 6: displayed of Keir Starmer and Donald Trump didn't fill me
Speaker 6: with a ton of confidence. They didn't seem all that
Speaker 6: invested in ucast, but we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 1: But look, I think you're right. The issue here is it.
Speaker 6: Appears to be the case that Anthony Albanesi is not
Speaker 6: really taken seriously on the international stage and is not
Speaker 6: really respected, and that would be a concern for the
Speaker 6: government here. There are some within labor who have a
Speaker 6: relatively cavalier attitude towards the United States, and some of
Speaker 6: whom are actively hostile towards the Trump administration.
Speaker 1: And whether you like Trump or not is beside.
Speaker 6: The point is obviously our most important ally and so
Speaker 6: I think there's probably a sense from the United States
Speaker 6: that perhaps the current government here in Australia is not
Speaker 6: as committed and as serious as it should be about
Speaker 6: that defense relationship.
Speaker 1: So I think that explains why Trump.
Speaker 6: Has basically stood up Anthony Alberizi on this occasion.
Speaker 3: Part Dan says he's not so confident judging by those
Speaker 3: comments from the joint press conference, but Albanezy says that
Speaker 3: he found those comments very positive. What do you think
Speaker 3: do you think the Orcast deal is secure?
Speaker 2: Look, it needs to be secure, Caroline, doesn't it. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is such a fundamental part of our future in
Speaker 2: terms of defending ourselves and in terms of our best
Speaker 2: friend in America, as Dan says, America is our best friend,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, or otherwise we need America. And the fact
Speaker 2: that this meeting hasn't taken place, I don't think you
Speaker 2: can blame Elbow for that. It was beyond his control.
Speaker 2: But we're sort of looking at or perhaps later in
Speaker 2: the year before Elbow will actually catch up with Donald
Speaker 2: Trump and have a chat. I mean, it does seem ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It's given you've got Orcus on the table at the moment,
Speaker 2: and it's under a review in the US, and you've
Speaker 2: got tariffs. You've got these really nation changing sort of
Speaker 2: issues at stake at the moment. That does need to
Speaker 2: be a meeting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan pat mentions tariffs. That was going to be
Speaker 3: another big part of this conversation. That's face to face
Speaker 3: conversation between the pair. What happens now with that? I
Speaker 3: mean everyone's talking about UCUS, but what happens with tariffs.
Speaker 6: Well, I think the thing with tariffs is, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 6: we should have a talk with them and see if
Speaker 6: we can have a different arrangement, but we should focus
Speaker 6: on our own backyard first. I mean, the negative economic
Speaker 6: implications of the policies that we are imposing upon ourselves
Speaker 6: are far worse than anything the United States is doing.
Speaker 6: I mean, always you have to do is look at
Speaker 6: our energy policy and policies like net zero, which are
Speaker 6: causing massive increases to energy prices and smashing our industrial sector,
Speaker 6: or the regulation of red tape that's coming out of Camber.
Speaker 1: And state government.
Speaker 6: So I think you know this government has said it
Speaker 6: wants to have a productivity agenda. Well, the first thing
Speaker 6: you do is look at your own economic policy settings
Speaker 6: and as I say, if you can negotiate a better deal,
Speaker 6: go for it. But let's focus on the things that
Speaker 6: we can control.
Speaker 3: Going back to that Orca's on certain uncertainty, there have
Speaker 3: been calls for a backup plan. Here's National's MP Barnaby
Speaker 3: Joyce earlier today.
Speaker 1: You should have a contingency plan.
Speaker 7: We like when as soon as the United States went
Speaker 7: out and said we're reviewing.
Speaker 8: Orcas, Blambelle should have rung everywhere everywhere pad.
Speaker 4: Is he right? Do we need a contingency plan? Now?
Speaker 2: Look, there seems to me sort of confidence guided or
Speaker 2: not on the fact that ORCUS is safe within Australia.
Speaker 2: You say the comments from South Australia's premier yesterday talking
Speaker 2: about the fact that we need to build submarines, and
Speaker 2: he's right. I mean, the world has been compared to
Speaker 2: the nine ends thirties in terms of uncertainty. This could
Speaker 2: be a precursor for the next sort of world war
Speaker 2: of your life. You've got all these conflicts going on.
Speaker 2: We need to be able to protect ourselves and you
Speaker 2: look at those Chinese military exercises off the coast just
Speaker 2: late last year. We're not well placed to defend ourselves
Speaker 2: and the world is going to pivot of that, we
Speaker 2: have no doubt. So we need submarines, we need orcus
Speaker 2: and we need that to be crystal clear and locked
Speaker 2: in for decades to come. So in terms of contingencies,
Speaker 2: I don't know whether that's the right way to go,
Speaker 2: but we certainly need to protect our future.
Speaker 4: Well, gentlemen, there's a hidden twist.
Speaker 3: In Albanizi in the Albanese government's new super tax, and it's.
Speaker 4: Been brought to light.
Speaker 3: Treasurer Jim Chalmers plan also includes a hidden death tax
Speaker 3: of sorts, with those who inherit super from someone who's
Speaker 3: died face a double taxting, where unused tax credits will lapse,
Speaker 3: capital gains taxes remain in place. Dan, what do you
Speaker 3: think of this idea? It hardly seems fair.
Speaker 6: Well, I agree, Carolina is not fair, and it shows
Speaker 6: what happens when you're spending is out of control and
Speaker 6: there's no plan to reign in government spending.
Speaker 1: And if there's no.
Speaker 6: Plan to reign in spending, then taxes will need to
Speaker 6: go up and debt will continue to go up, which
Speaker 6: is just taxes.
Speaker 1: In the future.
Speaker 6: So my concern here is ultimately that labor is going
Speaker 6: to go to the electric with much higher taxes including
Speaker 6: I mean, really the worst part about this is the
Speaker 6: unrealized gains component, which means you're going to get taxed
Speaker 6: on income that you have yet to earn, and that
Speaker 6: is one of the most concerning parts of it. So look,
Speaker 6: I think the more that this goes on and the
Speaker 6: more the debate goes on, the worse this looks for
Speaker 6: our country, and the worse it.
Speaker 4: Looks for labor pat death taxes.
Speaker 3: I mean, for a long time, the opposition, the Coalition
Speaker 3: has been talking about them about how it something that's
Speaker 3: in Labour's plans. They've denied it for a long time,
Speaker 3: but this certainly looks like they're starting to creep in here.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and look at the second death tax. If you
Speaker 2: like Carolina, I mean most Australians don't realize if you
Speaker 2: inherit super generally there's going to be a seventeen percent
Speaker 2: tax on at least part of that super. This is
Speaker 2: a second death tax, and that's something that Australians aren't
Speaker 2: aren't prepared to actually cop I don't think this is
Speaker 2: a really big issue. And if you look at the
Speaker 2: mechanics of this tax, you look at three million dollars
Speaker 2: super and taxes on top of that, and that's not
Speaker 2: going to be indexed, so in ten twenty thirty years time,
Speaker 2: it's probably still going to be three million dollars, which
Speaker 2: is not going to be a great deal of money
Speaker 2: by that time. It's a really insidious tax, this one.
Speaker 3: And don't forget the Prime Minister and a lot of
Speaker 3: minister's own benefits won't get touched. That's probably one of
Speaker 3: the most compaired parts too. Let's move on to another
Speaker 3: story now, and disgusted parents have lashed out at a
Speaker 3: prestigious Melbourne private school over a pride month guest speaker
Speaker 3: that the school brought in. Trinity Boys Grammar School says
Speaker 3: it invited queer Palestinian activist ba Sam.
Speaker 4: Curbage to speak to its students.
Speaker 3: On the recommendation of the taxpayer funded Victorian Pride Center.
Speaker 3: According to a parent, Curbage directed students during his speech
Speaker 3: to look up his social media page, but when they
Speaker 3: did that, they quickly found a video of him performing
Speaker 3: a lewd act. Now, the Victorian Pride Center has removed
Speaker 3: this speaker's profile from its website, and both the center
Speaker 3: and the school have promised to implement better vetting processes.
Speaker 3: But Dan, how could the school not have done any
Speaker 3: basic screening before inviting a controversial speaker like this to
Speaker 3: speak to children.
Speaker 1: Oh, the principal's got to be sacked.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is just an example of how our
Speaker 6: education system's failing. And if you're a parent and you're
Speaker 6: concerned about this, change schools stop donating to these so
Speaker 6: called elite schools, because this is not the only example
Speaker 6: of this kind of insidious ideology being put in front
Speaker 6: of children. And I think it's just time to get
Speaker 6: real about the fact that the only thing that a
Speaker 6: lot of these private schools. You know, the very elite
Speaker 6: ones listen to is the bottom line. So you've got
Speaker 6: to make it hurt. And you know, I just think
Speaker 6: this is so removed from basic community expectations of what
Speaker 6: should be taught at schools. By the way, this is
Speaker 6: happening in the context of a rapidly declining education sector,
Speaker 6: where governments are spending more and more every single year,
Speaker 6: yet results continue to go backwards. Children are less educated
Speaker 6: than in the past, and they're taught not only this
Speaker 6: kind of ideology, but they're taught to be ashamed of
Speaker 6: our country, ashamed of our history, and in doing so,
Speaker 6: ashamed of themselves.
Speaker 1: So if this isn't a wake up call, I don't
Speaker 1: know what is.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: We're going to be looking at some of that those
Speaker 3: problems within the education sector with my next guest, but Pat,
Speaker 3: this particular sector also has a history of making some
Speaker 3: extreme anti Israel statements as well. He describes himself as
Speaker 3: a queer Palestinian activist. I always find that ironic given
Speaker 3: what would happen were he to actually be living in Gaza.
Speaker 2: Absolutely he wouldn't be able to do this in Gaza,
Speaker 2: And I mean that's the great hypocrisy that we're saying
Speaker 2: in the universities especially, but also in this case, in
Speaker 2: secondary schools where it's not being explained properly. The arguments
Speaker 2: are basically that let's be pro Palestine, but at the
Speaker 2: same time, let's blow up Israel and make it cease
Speaker 2: to exist. I mean, this argument pushing for pro Palestine
Speaker 2: is actually dishonest in the Australian context and has been
Speaker 2: since October seventeen seven, twenty twenty three. And these sorts
Speaker 2: of activists shouldn't be anywhere near a school which is
Speaker 2: charging parents forty grand a pop to send their kids there.
Speaker 2: It's a Christian school. And the fact that this wasn't
Speaker 2: looked at closely, that the due diligence wasn't done by
Speaker 2: the school, is it characteristic That's been true of our
Speaker 2: universities across the board across Australia. It's a really troubling
Speaker 2: thing that this school is actually abrogating responsibility for activists
Speaker 2: addressing their students.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really concerning and hopefully a wake up call for
Speaker 3: schools across the country. Let's check in on the Victorian
Speaker 3: Liberals now, and the party's state branch has been warned
Speaker 3: that if it goes ahead with a plan to loan
Speaker 3: former leader John Persuto the remaining one point five million
Speaker 3: dollars he needs to pay Moira Deeming, it would lose
Speaker 3: the support of grassroots members and trigger a mass exodus
Speaker 3: of donors.
Speaker 4: Now, Dan, let's not.
Speaker 3: Forget that this is all about Persudo's own decision and
Speaker 3: the party in backing him to smear Deeming as an Nazi. Sympathize,
Speaker 3: but simply speaking at a women's rights rally that just
Speaker 3: happened to be gay crashed by neo Nazis, I.
Speaker 6: Agree, and I think the assessment is correct that there
Speaker 6: would be a revolt of what's remaining of the grassroots
Speaker 6: of the Liberal Party in Victoria. I on a personal level,
Speaker 6: sympathize and feel for John Persudo. I mean, he's gone
Speaker 6: through all kinds of difficulties and yes it's true that
Speaker 6: he was the instigator of it. But you know, nonetheless,
Speaker 6: on a personal level, I feel for him. But it
Speaker 6: is not the job of the Victorian Liberal Party to
Speaker 6: act like a bank in essentially lending money to a
Speaker 6: member of Parliament. If people want to contribute to John's
Speaker 6: situation privately, they're more than welcome to do that. But
Speaker 6: I certainly don't think the Victorian Liberal Party itself should
Speaker 6: be footing the bill for this. And as you rightly say,
Speaker 6: it all comes back to the treatment of more redeeming
Speaker 6: and there were many many times along this road where
Speaker 6: the course could have been corrected, decisions taken not to
Speaker 6: do that, and that's why we are where we.
Speaker 3: Are exactly So, I have a lot less sympathy for
Speaker 3: John Persuto than you do down maybe that makes you
Speaker 3: a better person, but pat is saving Persuto from bankruptcy
Speaker 3: here and therefore losing his seed and triggering a by
Speaker 3: election really worth the pain that it will cause to
Speaker 3: the party in terms of its support from its base
Speaker 3: and donations if there is an exodus.
Speaker 2: Look, there is a political imperative here. I mean, as
Speaker 2: a Victorian, you know, I've suffered, along with everybody else
Speaker 2: with some of the worst governments mismanaging money since twenty
Speaker 2: fourteen for a very long time. We actually need a
Speaker 2: decent opposition, And even though I agree with a lot
Speaker 2: of what Dana said, there is a political imperative here.
Speaker 2: We actually need an opposition that is not sucking the
Speaker 2: oxygen out of the room with its own internal battles.
Speaker 1: The whole time.
Speaker 2: We actually need a decent opposition that can actually stand
Speaker 2: up and offer itself as an alternative dreadful government that
Speaker 2: we're suffering from from. So I'd like to see the
Speaker 2: John Prestudo thing go away. Really, you just want it
Speaker 2: fixed and to go away. Let's move on's let's talk
Speaker 2: about good governance. Let's talk about policies, because it's been
Speaker 2: around for I think eight eight months or longer.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Speaking of mismanagement of finances and Victoria, the Allen Labor
Speaker 3: government is pushing to acts key budget transparency laws as
Speaker 3: state data is projected to sor to a whopping one
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety four billion dollars. In a bill to
Speaker 3: be debated this week, the government will seek to block
Speaker 3: a post election budget update from occurring next year and
Speaker 3: limit executive oversight over the issuing of public money by
Speaker 3: removing the need for the state governor to approve the
Speaker 3: drawing down of funds.
Speaker 4: Dan how sneak he is.
Speaker 6: This, Well, we're now in the sticking our heads in
Speaker 6: the sand face of the collapse of the Victorian economy.
Speaker 6: This is the last thing that is needed. There needs
Speaker 6: to be full transparency. There are already questions over the
Speaker 6: veracity of figures that are presented in the Victorian government's budget.
Speaker 6: Much of their spending items are either outside of the
Speaker 6: forward estimates or are off budget entirely, so it's difficult
Speaker 6: to get a clear picture of just.
Speaker 1: How bad things are.
Speaker 6: But make no mistake about this, this is not just
Speaker 6: a Victorian issue, because if Victoria's economy goes down, the
Speaker 6: rest of Australia will need to bail out Victoria. So
Speaker 6: this is a big issue for every single Australian taxpayer
Speaker 6: because ultimately it'll be Canberra, through the GST or other
Speaker 6: grant mechanisms that will boil the Victorian economy out and
Speaker 6: in doing so we'll drag down the rest of the country.
Speaker 3: Daniel Wild and Patrick Carlin, thank you vote so much
Speaker 3: for your time.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 3: An academic has been stood down and referred to police
Speaker 3: by Australia's oldest university after tweeting Zionists should be executed.
Speaker 4: The University of Sydney's.
Speaker 3: Farhad Ali posted last week f sanctions, I want bonus
Speaker 3: executed like we executed Nazis. When that post was marked
Speaker 3: by X's violent speech, Ali doubled down. He wrote, don't
Speaker 3: tell me wanting to see these people hanged like the
Speaker 3: Nazis were post Nuremberg.
Speaker 4: Is violent. Ali is now.
Speaker 3: Being investigated by both the university and New South Wales police. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: the UNI's student protest leaders were questioned at a New
Speaker 3: Southwell's parliamentary inquiry into anti Semitism. One caught out for
Speaker 3: giving incorrect evidence about a billboard of Palestinian terrorists that
Speaker 3: was put up on campus.
Speaker 6: There has never been any such billboard, you know, there's
Speaker 6: no photographic evidence.
Speaker 10: I would say that your claim that this billboard didn't
Speaker 10: exist is indeed fake news because I have a copy
Speaker 10: a photo of the billboard here.
Speaker 1: We never saw any of this billboard.
Speaker 3: The billboard featured this image of October's Sevan mastermind and
Speaker 3: Hama's military chief Mohammed def among other Palestinian terrorists. Joining
Speaker 3: me now is the New South Wales Liberal Upper House
Speaker 3: MP Chris Rath, who exposed that student protest and led
Speaker 3: a lot of that question during the inquiry.
Speaker 4: Chris, thank you for joining.
Speaker 10: Me, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Well, look, it was infuriating to listen to some of
Speaker 3: that evidence just to find, for example, calls for interfarda.
Speaker 10: That's right, I think they're quite dismissive of antisemitism. These
Speaker 10: student leaders, and indeed so many in particular at the
Speaker 10: University of Sydney. They try and say that inter farda
Speaker 10: just means shake it off or shake off, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 10: We know that into farda is used as a term
Speaker 10: by so many to mean an armed and aggressive uprising.
Speaker 10: It has been a term that has inspired so many
Speaker 10: around the world to enact violence against the Jewish community
Speaker 10: and against the State of Israel. So I don't think
Speaker 10: that we should be turning a blind eye when people
Speaker 10: use terms like globalize into farda.
Speaker 3: You also had the chance during this inquiry to question
Speaker 3: Sydney University leadership over it's handling of these tweets by
Speaker 3: that academic farhad Ali. The fact that an academic felt
Speaker 3: emboldened enough to post execute Zionus in the first place,
Speaker 3: What do you think that says about our universities.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that the universities have been very slow
Speaker 10: to act since October seven on combating anti Semitism. At
Speaker 10: the University of Sydney in particular, they did very little
Speaker 10: over twelve months. They didn't shut down the encampment that existed,
Speaker 10: and that harassed and intimidated Jews. If you look at
Speaker 10: the farhad Ali example, I think you know that antisemitism
Speaker 10: is rife at our universities, in particular at the University
Speaker 10: of Sydney. They try and hide behind terms like well,
Speaker 10: if we say execute the Zionists, it's not actually anti Semitic.
Speaker 10: They try and differentiate Zionism from the Jewish community, but
Speaker 10: we all know that that's complete and utter nonsense. No
Speaker 10: reasonable person would differentiate Zionism from antisemitism. And that you
Speaker 10: know that link is is I think really important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really disingenuous, and I think you exposed how
Speaker 3: they use that sort of coded language. I mean ninety
Speaker 3: percent of Jews a Zionists, something like that figure. But
Speaker 3: of course non Jews can be Zionus too. Many non
Speaker 3: Jews of Zionis and believe Jews have the right to
Speaker 3: sovereignty in their own homeland. What did the universities have
Speaker 3: to say about their handling of the anti Semitism crisis overall?
Speaker 3: I noticed that University of Sydney leadership actually said that
Speaker 3: they thought they handled the dismantling of the longest running
Speaker 3: pro palest in in encampment on their campus, well compared
Speaker 3: to say campuses in the US.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think there's a lot of revisionist history there
Speaker 10: from the university saying that they did a remarkable job.
Speaker 10: But we know that anti Semitism has been on the
Speaker 10: rise at our universities since October seven. Less than half
Speaker 10: of all Jewish students and academics feel safe going to
Speaker 10: our universities. It's a terrible situation that we're in. I
Speaker 10: think the University of Sydney somewhat reluctantly acknowledged that they
Speaker 10: didn't get everything right, and I think one of the
Speaker 10: things that they didn't get right was allowing that encampment
Speaker 10: to exist for as long as it did. When you
Speaker 10: have an encampment that is has links to a known
Speaker 10: terrorist organization his book to Rea, an encampment that proudly
Speaker 10: flies the flag of Hesbola or the Taliban, or at
Speaker 10: least flags that resemble those flags, when you have an
Speaker 10: encampment that is deliberately intimidating and harassing Jewish students, I
Speaker 10: think that it went on for far too long, and
Speaker 10: one of their responses seemed to be that, well, there
Speaker 10: should be maybe another entrance into exams or into classes
Speaker 10: that Jewish students could use so that they didn't have
Speaker 10: to walk past the encampments and be harassed by these
Speaker 10: hard left activists. Well, I would suggest that the better
Speaker 10: approach would be to shut down the encampments and not
Speaker 10: to allow those encampments to occur, rather than segregating our
Speaker 10: Jewish students from everyone else by giving them a special
Speaker 10: entrance that they could use.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I noticed the university said that it wasn't just
Speaker 3: for Jewish students the alternative entry, But then again, who
Speaker 3: else was feeling as rasped by these encampments? Chris Brathware
Speaker 3: out of time, but I really appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 4: Thanks for your time.
Speaker 1: No worries still to come.
Speaker 3: Lefties losing it plus allegations around plan to assassinate Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Kosher Gata has the details, and now it's time for
Speaker 3: lefties losing it. First, let's do a welfare check on
Speaker 3: those US protesters, starting with a grown man losing it
Speaker 3: at a doll of Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, yes, entirely sane behavior, Just like this
Speaker 5: next protester who claims Hitler and the Nazis.
Speaker 4: Got their ideas from America.
Speaker 11: My friends, when you think about the Holocaust, how they're
Speaker 11: going to a reference point professism.
Speaker 4: I need us to remember it was not born out
Speaker 4: of nineteen forty s.
Speaker 12: Hello and his cis talking out from America, from the.
Speaker 11: Archim crow laws, from the first life, first people's and oh,
Speaker 11: extreme racial segregations.
Speaker 1: That's where he has a playbook.
Speaker 3: Now watches the members of a movement who preach about
Speaker 3: kindness and inclusivity kindly call for officers to jump off
Speaker 3: a building. And the kindness continued after protesters found out
Speaker 3: which accommodation ICE agents were staying out and held a
Speaker 3: little demonstration they.
Speaker 4: Called no sleep for Ice. So what are the Democrats doing?
Speaker 3: Well, all this is happening, Well, they're pushing a bill
Speaker 3: banning mosques for law enforcement, effectively forcing offices to endanger themselves.
Speaker 8: And I think the concern is a lot that's happening.
Speaker 8: There are a lot of people who are engage in
Speaker 8: these enforcement actions and we don't know are they federal,
Speaker 8: are they contractors? Are the local law enforcement? And so
Speaker 8: we're requiring that people not have to wear masks except
Speaker 8: for some very limited exceptions, and that they'd be identifying
Speaker 8: information insures that we know who is involved here.
Speaker 3: Despite the violent protest footage we've all seen over the
Speaker 3: past week, left wing media still insists they're peaceful.
Speaker 4: Nothing to see here, folks.
Speaker 7: A study from the Media Research Center shows that from
Speaker 7: June eleventh to the twelfth, CNN and MSNBC personalities insisted
Speaker 7: the anti ice demonstrations were peaceful two hundred and eleven
Speaker 7: times they were more entire two hundred and eleven times
Speaker 7: they were peaceful.
Speaker 3: You'd think at this point lawmakers would be trying to
Speaker 3: calm public hostilities, but some are doing the exact opposite,
Speaker 3: like Democrat North Carolina state Representative Julie von Hafen, who
Speaker 3: posted a video on social media that included this image
Speaker 3: of the No Kings protest of a sign that read,
Speaker 3: in difficult times, some cuts maybe necessary, with an image
Speaker 3: of a guillotine and two decapitated heads.
Speaker 4: Classy stuff.
Speaker 3: She later posted a message condemning political violence, and her
Speaker 3: ex account is now inactive. And here is Chicago Mayor
Speaker 3: Brandon Johnson saying he will continue to resist.
Speaker 9: You've never seen a society improve or expand under this
Speaker 9: type of fear, and we're going to continue to resist,
Speaker 9: and we're going to do it in many different ways,
Speaker 9: whether it's taken to the streets or to the courts.
Speaker 3: I wonder what he means by taking it to the streets.
Speaker 3: And some Democrats are even calling for the police to
Speaker 3: tip off illegal immigrants before ice rights happened. Here is
Speaker 3: La City Councilwoman Amelda Padilla.
Speaker 13: Can we use technology like AI technology to create a
Speaker 13: situation where your department can identify, Hey, there's agents non
Speaker 13: City of La in a neighboring town. Everyone go on
Speaker 13: alert in a way where you can support our business
Speaker 13: community and our immigrant community to know that it's time.
Speaker 13: That's something related to the lack of due process, the
Speaker 13: lack of warrants is about to hit our town.
Speaker 4: You can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 3: Even LAPD Chief Jim McDonald seemed fed up with a lunacy.
Speaker 9: So you're asking me to warn you about an enforcement
Speaker 9: action being taken by another agency before it happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we can't do that.
Speaker 14: Why not?
Speaker 1: There would be obstruction of justice. You may want to
Speaker 1: talk to the city attorney about that.
Speaker 3: And if you've ever wondered how these protests have become
Speaker 3: so violent, you need to look no further than lefties
Speaker 3: who have time and time again call for exactly that.
Speaker 8: I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all
Speaker 8: of the country.
Speaker 12: Maybe there will be.
Speaker 7: People need to start taking to the streets.
Speaker 10: This is a dictator, you know.
Speaker 15: There needs to be unrest in the streets for as
Speaker 15: well as there's unrest in our lives.
Speaker 9: Enemies of the state. Show me where it says that
Speaker 9: protests are supposed to be polite?
Speaker 4: How do you resist the temptation to run up and
Speaker 4: wring her?
Speaker 8: Next biggest terror threat in this country is white men.
Speaker 1: Most of them radicalize up.
Speaker 14: To the right.
Speaker 13: I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the
Speaker 13: White House.
Speaker 3: Joining me now is Skyanese contributor Kosha Gada. Kosha Trump
Speaker 3: has warned residents of Tehran to evacuate immediately, then left
Speaker 3: the G seven early because of the Middle East. Defense
Speaker 3: Secretary Pete Hegseth has confirmed the US is sending more
Speaker 3: forces to the region. What do you think the level
Speaker 3: of US involvement will be in this conflict now?
Speaker 4: And do you think the US will give.
Speaker 3: Israel the bunker buster bombs it needs to properly damage
Speaker 3: around nuclear capabilities?
Speaker 11: Calin great to be with you, you know, That is
Speaker 11: the central question on everybody's mind right now, and honestly,
Speaker 11: it is a difficult one to answer because it is
Speaker 11: exposing a clear divide in American politics right now, and
Speaker 11: particularly on the right of the Trump based Trumps electorate
Speaker 11: and his constituency, and that is that by and large,
Speaker 11: they are very supportive of Israel's sovereignty, Israel's right to
Speaker 11: defend itself and to do what it deems is in
Speaker 11: its national interest. I think there's full agreement there. But
Speaker 11: where that line starts to break and the divide appears
Speaker 11: is what the level of US involvement should be. And
Speaker 11: Trump's core base is staunchly opposed to it. They are
Speaker 11: war weary. The US is coming off of twenty twenty
Speaker 11: five years of really failed or very anemic interventions in
Speaker 11: the Middle East. Don't want to get dragged back into it.
Speaker 11: And then the question is, if you start to give
Speaker 11: a little bit of artillery or these types of bombs,
Speaker 11: is that defensive or offensive? Is that taking us down
Speaker 11: the slippery slope of greater involvement? And right now that
Speaker 11: does not seem to be where the mood of the
Speaker 11: country is, and I would have to think that it's
Speaker 11: not where Trump's instincts are based on everything he's ever
Speaker 11: said throughout his tenure, political campaign, campaigning career, and even
Speaker 11: before that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, such a hard one for him to straddle, especially
Speaker 3: with his base, as you point out, because if he
Speaker 3: does nothing and he doesn't help Israel, then will Iran
Speaker 3: be able to progress with its nuclear plans and become
Speaker 3: a threat to the whole world, including the US and
Speaker 3: the rest of US. You know, there have been these
Speaker 3: stunning allegations that have come out as well from Israeli
Speaker 3: Prime Minister Bench Yahoo, who's accused iron of actively planning
Speaker 3: to assassinate Trump, who the Iranian regime had identified, he said,
Speaker 3: as a threat to its nuclear program.
Speaker 4: Take a look.
Speaker 14: They want to kill it. Look is enemy number one.
Speaker 14: He's a decisive leader. He never took the path that
Speaker 14: others took to try to bargain with him in a
Speaker 14: way that is weak, giving them, giving them basically a
Speaker 14: pathway to a rich uranium, which means a pathway to
Speaker 14: the bomb, patting it with billions and billions of dollars Toosha.
Speaker 3: Is this Israel trying to get more help from Trump
Speaker 3: in this conflict, or do you think this could actually
Speaker 3: explain all the unanswered questions that still linger over the
Speaker 3: two assassination plots against Trump.
Speaker 11: You know, it's another example of where it's so tricky
Speaker 11: or even impossible to know that for sure in the
Speaker 11: fog of war that we're in. You know, there are
Speaker 11: lots of reports out there, some conflicting, some true, some untrue,
Speaker 11: some rtially true, And the reality is that we will
Speaker 11: never know probably the true extent of how much is
Speaker 11: true or not in there. But it is certainly conceivable.
Speaker 11: I mean, we know that many people have tried to
Speaker 11: and continue to try to assassinate Trump or any leader,
Speaker 11: especially him, because he has taken a different approach for
Speaker 11: many many issues globally and domestically, and it's a violent
Speaker 11: world out there, so it is certainly not outside the
Speaker 11: realm of possibility.
Speaker 4: It is also possible.
Speaker 11: That these things are part of the stage craft that
Speaker 11: different leaders and nations obviously do by mixing things out
Speaker 11: there in the public discourse as one tool in how
Speaker 11: to influence public opinion. So it's probably somewhere in between.
Speaker 11: But I think the overall picture remains unchanged. That we
Speaker 11: talked about about this really fundamental central question that Trump
Speaker 11: is grappling with He is a peace snake by nature.
Speaker 11: He doesn't like war, he doesn't like US involvement. He's
Speaker 11: very much focused on domestic policy. But the world is
Speaker 11: on fire right now, and each day that goes by,
Speaker 11: he is getting a little bit sucked into that picture.
Speaker 11: And time will tell how this all unfolds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he has talked a big talk with Iran,
Speaker 3: with Hamas, saying if you don't do what I say,
Speaker 3: in Hamas's case, they will be held to pay. We
Speaker 3: didn't quite see that from the US perspective. And with Iran,
Speaker 3: you know, if you don't hit those that sixty day
Speaker 3: marketers to make a deal, then then you're going to
Speaker 3: have to face the consequences as well. Meanwhile, Israeli bombs
Speaker 3: have hit Iranian state media studios in Tehran, causing one
Speaker 3: of their television hosts to flee.
Speaker 4: The set's.
Speaker 3: Kosher NETNYA, who pointed out, well, this isn't simply any
Speaker 3: news channel but a tool being used by the Iranian
Speaker 3: regime to push propaganda on Iranians.
Speaker 4: But extraordinary footage there.
Speaker 11: Really not something you see every day for sure. And
Speaker 11: you know, back to our theme of having the fog
Speaker 11: of war. It's really hard to know exactly what's going on.
Speaker 11: It is clear that Israel has waged a really exquisite
Speaker 11: military campaign so far and just the way they've been
Speaker 11: able to use intelligence coupled with their military might to
Speaker 11: execute what they have in the last few days. So
Speaker 11: for sure we could see that being true. It is also,
Speaker 11: I'm sure possible that the Iranian government is promoting, you know,
Speaker 11: footage like this on purpose to try and again affect
Speaker 11: public opinion not just domestically but globally in terms of
Speaker 11: what Israel is doing. Why are they striking media outlets
Speaker 11: as opposed to nuclear facilities or the missile bomb and
Speaker 11: things like that. So that's I think part of what's
Speaker 11: in the mix here. But this it is a reminder
Speaker 11: either way that this is a big deal. It's a
Speaker 11: very hot conflict. The stakes are high, the risks are high,
Speaker 11: and it is escalating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kosha, I also wanted to get your reaction to
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's decision to ditch Albanesi at the G seven.
Speaker 4: But should we really be surprised about that?
Speaker 11: You know, it's a fair question. It's not a good
Speaker 11: day for Prime Minister Albin Easy as it wouldn't be
Speaker 11: for anybody who's on the receiving end of a public rejection,
Speaker 11: if we.
Speaker 4: Want to call it that.
Speaker 11: But just based on the topic we've discussed again, the
Speaker 11: world is on fire and there are other bigger pressing
Speaker 11: issues out there than trade relationship between the US and Australia.
Speaker 11: So I think there's some in the Prime Minister's defense.
Speaker 11: There is truth to that that the president's schedule is
Speaker 11: very busy. Things happen. He also canceled a meeting with
Speaker 11: Prime Minister Modiam India, for example, another very important country
Speaker 11: and important relationships. So I wouldn't read too much into it,
Speaker 11: but it does show that if this administration here is
Speaker 11: not able to be more proactive in developing diplomatic relationships
Speaker 11: and getting a breakthrough with the Trump administration, then sort
Speaker 11: of spills out onto the world stage and certainly doesn't
Speaker 11: make them look particularly strong.
Speaker 4: No, it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Well, let's look more closely at US politics now and
Speaker 3: fifty seven year old of Vance Bulter, the man suspected
Speaker 3: of shooting two state Democrat politicians in Minnesota, has been
Speaker 3: arrested after a two day man hunt, which saw authorities
Speaker 3: track him into rural woodlands.
Speaker 4: What more do we know kosher.
Speaker 3: Are there any more insights at this stage into his
Speaker 3: motivation for these attacks?
Speaker 11: So the story is still unfolding and developing. Different officials
Speaker 11: have come out and said that they have reason to
Speaker 11: believe that it certainly was politically motivated. They're being a
Speaker 11: little bit tight lipped about what more that means underneath it. Allegedly,
Speaker 11: reportedly there was a notebook that had been recovered from
Speaker 11: his possessions that had a target hit list of other
Speaker 11: political leaders that apparently he wanted to come after or
Speaker 11: was thinking about going after.
Speaker 4: Those names haven't.
Speaker 11: Been released yet officially, so we don't know. There's different
Speaker 11: reports and rumors there of who it might be, which
Speaker 11: might shed some more light. I think one of the
Speaker 11: most curious things about this case is that the state
Speaker 11: senator from Minnesota that he did assassinate and her husband,
Speaker 11: she is a Democrat, a lifelong Democrat. However, she just
Speaker 11: came out hours before her assassination and voted as a
Speaker 11: sole Democrat in favor of a Republican majority bill in
Speaker 11: the state Senate. So read into that one made it's
Speaker 11: tricky to exactly figure out what he's doing, but it
Speaker 11: sounds like just another example of violence. It tends to
Speaker 11: be coming from the left right now, whether you look
Speaker 11: at the assassination of the United Healthcare CEO or other cases.
Speaker 11: But we don't know all the details yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also the fact that vance Bult was reported
Speaker 3: laer tim Walt appointee to one of.
Speaker 4: His boards as well.
Speaker 3: But yeah, a lot more to run on this case,
Speaker 3: no doubt. Now, Donald Trump has directed federal authorities to
Speaker 3: ramp up deportations in blue cities, saying on his platform
Speaker 3: Truth Social the US must expand efforts to detain and
Speaker 3: deport illegal aliens in America's largest cities, such as Los Angeles, Chicago,
Speaker 3: and New York, where millions upon millions of illegal aliens
Speaker 3: reside Kosher. Given we've seen the violent protests over the
Speaker 3: past week in the US, how do you think this
Speaker 3: move will go down there?
Speaker 11: It is going to continue to be the firestorm that
Speaker 11: it is. I think it's a stark reminder to everybody
Speaker 11: how difficult this is. Again, Like the big picture is
Speaker 11: America has something like forty plus million illegals in its country.
Speaker 11: About ten million of them came in in the last
Speaker 11: four years under Biden. Willfully because that was the policy
Speaker 11: it's the only thing we can interpret from that, and
Speaker 11: look how difficult it is to get them out once
Speaker 11: they come in. The Public sentiment has completely shifted. Even
Speaker 11: lifelong Democrats, moderates, center left independence are all in favor
Speaker 11: of master deprotations. It's a shift that I haven't seen
Speaker 11: in my lifetime in terms of how quickly that's happened.
Speaker 11: So the public support is on Trump side, but the
Speaker 11: logistics and the mechanics of getting it done is really
Speaker 11: really difficult because of these protests, because of judges or
Speaker 11: we ruling or issuing these nationwide injunctions and all the
Speaker 11: rest of it. So this fight is not going to
Speaker 11: be easy. But he is going street to the belly
Speaker 11: of the beast, which is these blue stats. These Democrat
Speaker 11: states are sanctuary cities infamously where they just defy federal
Speaker 11: immigration law and law enforcement. And so that's where he's going,
Speaker 11: and he's got three and a half years left to
Speaker 11: do it.
Speaker 12: Well.
Speaker 3: Speaking of one person who's definitely not in support of
Speaker 3: these mass deportations, New York State Attorney General Letitia James,
Speaker 3: who's facing a federal probe at the moment into allegations
Speaker 3: she engaged in mortgage fraud. She is investigating now local
Speaker 3: police for misconduct. The misconduct being allegedly helping the Trump
Speaker 3: administration to crack down on illegal immigration by cooperating with
Speaker 3: ICE and other border agencies. Kosher, what did you make
Speaker 3: of this?
Speaker 11: She is still clinging to that sanctuary city mantra that
Speaker 11: guided New York a very famous sanctuary city and state,
Speaker 11: along with California and Illinois and others. And she's still
Speaker 11: clinging to that. She is somebody who has gone down
Speaker 11: in infamy as the attorney general presiding over a state
Speaker 11: that has had an increase in crime and poorly managed
Speaker 11: budget and so many other things.
Speaker 4: And what did she do.
Speaker 11: She went after then candidate Trump and his business in
Speaker 11: which there was no harm, there were no victims, the
Speaker 11: whole thing where he allegedly overvalued the value of his
Speaker 11: properties to the banks, even though he paid back the interest,
Speaker 11: got that conviction which is now working its way up
Speaker 11: the court, and I think will be dismissed. But she
Speaker 11: did that, and then the irony is really delicious that
Speaker 11: she's the one now being investigated for mortgage fraud. And
Speaker 11: then on top of that, now she's doing this so
Speaker 11: she's not going to go down without a fight. But
Speaker 11: she is not a figure who is sympathetic, and she
Speaker 11: certainly has not covered herself in glory.
Speaker 4: No, she certainly has not.
Speaker 3: Very quickly, we're almost out of time, but former Democrat
Speaker 3: governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo is facing and ethnics
Speaker 3: complain over he's alleged failure to disclose the more than
Speaker 3: two point six million US dollars in stock options he
Speaker 3: has an advanced nuclear technology before launching his New York
Speaker 3: mayoral campaign. Kosher, how damaging of these accusations.
Speaker 11: It doesn't help, and it's just a payline on a
Speaker 11: series of things he's had in a fall from Greece
Speaker 11: from at one point he was a front runner for
Speaker 11: a Democrat leadership and this is just piling on to him.
Speaker 11: So he's definitely down, down and out for the party.
Speaker 4: Another person not exactly covered in glory.
Speaker 3: Kosher Garter, always great to speak to you, Thank you
Speaker 3: for your time.
Speaker 4: Still to come.
Speaker 3: Meghan Markles speaks out about her infamous twerking video.
Speaker 5: D D.
Speaker 4: Dun Levy has the latest.
Speaker 3: Welcome back joining me now is veteran broadcaster d D.
Speaker 4: Dun Levy.
Speaker 3: Did he former ten executive producer Rob McKnight has lashed
Speaker 3: the network's replacement for the project, ten News Plus, which
Speaker 3: is set to air an hour earlier than its predecessor
Speaker 3: at six pm. He said, this is going to be
Speaker 3: a multi billion dollar disaster for Ten. Not only have
Speaker 3: they failed to create a unique brand with this show,
Speaker 3: but they've worked on the assumption that viewers of ten
Speaker 3: News at five pm will continue watching news on ten.
Speaker 3: Every bit of research and ratings I've seen over thirty
Speaker 3: years in the industry shows news viewers will watch ten
Speaker 3: at five pm and then flick over to nine and
Speaker 3: seven at six pm. He also said that if ten
Speaker 3: News Plus is to have any chance of succeeding, it
Speaker 3: had to set itself apart from the woke sermonizing that
Speaker 3: alienated viewers and sank its predecessor of the project.
Speaker 4: Did he do you think his assessment is right?
Speaker 16: Absolutely one hundred percent in Rob's very experience, and I
Speaker 16: do appreciate his opinions, I think is correct. I think
Speaker 16: Ten have really come up against it with this idea
Speaker 16: because they say that they're chasing a more mature audience,
Speaker 16: because we know that younger people are not consuming their news.
Speaker 16: In fact, any content at all on free to wear
Speaker 16: television these days, and that mature audience is already rusted
Speaker 16: on over at seven and nine. You know, any given night,
Speaker 16: if you look at the two biggest shows, the biggest
Speaker 16: rating shows of the evening, it's going to be the
Speaker 16: seven and nine News. So that audience that ten are
Speaker 16: chasing are already settled in somewhere else, So they're going
Speaker 16: to have a lot of trouble trying to get them
Speaker 16: to watch this new offering. I think its name is
Speaker 16: really name. It doesn't tell us anything about what we
Speaker 16: can expect to see and like it or not, whether
Speaker 16: it's real or perceived. Ten has people can perceive it
Speaker 16: as being woke, and that's another thing that they're up
Speaker 16: again against in trying to get people to watch this show.
Speaker 3: You're right about the name ten years plus. It sounds
Speaker 3: like a new iPhone or something.
Speaker 7: I mean.
Speaker 3: While Meghan Markle has broken her silence on the infamous
Speaker 3: twerking video she posted to her Instagram last week while
Speaker 3: in labor with daughter Lillibat, here's what she had to say.
Speaker 15: It's also a really great reminder that with all the
Speaker 15: noise or whatever people do, they're still a whole life,
Speaker 15: a real, authentic, fun life.
Speaker 12: That's happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 15: I'm just grateful that now being back on social as well,
Speaker 15: I have a police where you can share it on
Speaker 15: my own terms.
Speaker 3: Diddy, I got to say, I watched that and the
Speaker 3: last thing that struck me was authenticity. It all seemed
Speaker 3: to be a really sort of I don't know, choreographed,
Speaker 3: almost moment of spontaneity that she showed correct and.
Speaker 16: I think that's the issue here. And there was a
Speaker 16: couple of grabs released from another podcast that Megan has
Speaker 16: gone on, and one of the things that she said
Speaker 16: that she would like most is for people to tell
Speaker 16: the truth.
Speaker 4: It tells us.
Speaker 12: I think that she knows she's got a problem in
Speaker 12: people's perception of her, that she's a liar. You know.
Speaker 16: She painted this image of her on the Netflix show
Speaker 16: that she released recently, saying that she sat in front
Speaker 16: of the TV eating TV dinners while her brother came
Speaker 16: out and said, that's a load of rubbish.
Speaker 12: We weren't poor at all. You know.
Speaker 16: She tried to tell us that she never knew who
Speaker 16: Prince Harry was before she hooked up with him, and
Speaker 16: that's surely a lie.
Speaker 12: I don't believe a word of that.
Speaker 16: I think she knows that people can see right through
Speaker 16: all of her.
Speaker 12: Fakery and it's coming undone. It really is.
Speaker 3: And the Sussexes have now released never before seen footage
Speaker 3: of Prince Harry playing with their two children to celebrate
Speaker 3: Father's Day. Did he I thought they wanted privacy?
Speaker 16: Yes, Once again, this is an example of them saying
Speaker 16: one thing and doing the other. She's using her family
Speaker 16: now as currency. She's obviously addicted now to the sugarhead
Speaker 16: of the likes that she's getting because she's starting to
Speaker 16: release more of this stuff on Instagram. But I also
Speaker 16: want to point out to Meghan, that's not your father,
Speaker 16: that's your husband. Maybe she was posting it on behalf
Speaker 16: of the children who asked her to post that, But
Speaker 16: how about repair the relationship with your own father, Megan,
Speaker 16: because that would be the one I would think I
Speaker 16: would appreciate seeing a post of her with her own dad.
Speaker 16: We know that she doesn't have a good relationship with
Speaker 16: her family, but it's again just I think, an example
Speaker 16: of her being manipulative and using her family to get
Speaker 16: what she wants, and that is the attention which she's getting.
Speaker 12: Unfortunately, we're giving it to her now, are we?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we are.
Speaker 3: It's hard to give her the benefit of the doubt though,
Speaker 3: did I mean not just her own father. Think about
Speaker 3: the relationship between Harry and his father, King Charles and
Speaker 3: how she's played a role in helping to pull them apart.
Speaker 3: And speaking of King Charles, well, he's shared his own
Speaker 3: touching Father's Day message. He posted throwback photos of himself
Speaker 3: and his sister Princess Anne playing on the swings while
Speaker 3: their late father, Prince Philip pushed them, as well as
Speaker 3: a photo of his wife Quinn Camilla with her late dad,
Speaker 3: Major Bruce Shand from the April two thousand and five
Speaker 3: wedding day. Did he I found these a really touching
Speaker 3: tribute in contrast to perhaps what Megan.
Speaker 16: Had to share well exactly because it seems and feels
Speaker 16: and probably is authentic and look. I as much as
Speaker 16: anyone would love to see this relationship between Harry and
Speaker 16: the rest of the royal family repaired.
Speaker 12: But I think he's damaged it beyond.
Speaker 16: Repair with the release of his book Spare and all
Speaker 16: of these attacks that he's having to go at them
Speaker 16: in the press, and he's saying that still this issue
Speaker 16: of the security if he were.
Speaker 12: To go back to London.
Speaker 16: You know, they're so in fear of their lives and
Speaker 16: because the Royal family won't provide them with the security
Speaker 16: that they want, that that's never going to happen. And
Speaker 16: yet we go back again to what Meghan has done
Speaker 16: in releasing all those pictures of the children. If they
Speaker 16: really were so concerned about the security of their family,
Speaker 16: why would she be releasing pictures of the children's faces
Speaker 16: the way she's doing that.
Speaker 3: I thought she was going for a phase of covering
Speaker 3: them up. You make a really good point. It doesn't
Speaker 3: make sense accept as a sort of crisis management desperate
Speaker 3: crisis management tool.
Speaker 4: Dd Dunleyvy. Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 12: Thanks Carolyn, and that's it for me.
Speaker 4: Up next is Newsnight. Good Night,