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Speaker 1: Apote production.

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Speaker 2: Lily Parmenter's mum, Katie O'shay, went missing on December twenty nine,

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Speaker 2: two thousand and five.

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Speaker 1: In December two thousand and five, Katie O'shay was visiting

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Speaker 1: family and friends in the Athton Tablelands of far North

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Speaker 1: Queensland when she simply vanished.

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Speaker 2: In the first two episodes, we heard that Katie was

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Speaker 2: a bit of a free spirit but loved her life

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Speaker 2: and her kid's.

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Speaker 3: Not your sixties, you know, peace, love and rock. I

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Speaker 3: actually know she was a little bit like that actually,

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Speaker 3: but she was more of a Jimmy Hendrix kind of hippie,

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Speaker 2: We also heard that one of her children is a

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Speaker 2: person of interest in her disappearance.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, there's a lot of things that he

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Speaker 3: had said that now I question a lot.

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Speaker 2: Is kati oshe missing?

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Speaker 4: Was she murdered?

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Speaker 5: You open the sky Carrie home, p to the mountain

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Speaker 5: and my friend you see the again. Who Wall, She'll

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Speaker 5: love me, Who Wal, She'll love me? And they'll say

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Speaker 5: for you all the way high.

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Speaker 2: Katie o'she was last seen by her son Allan on

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Speaker 2: the twenty ninth of December, when He says he dropped

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Speaker 2: her just outside of the town of Atherton, finals Queensland.

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Speaker 2: He said he last saw her walking on the street

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Speaker 2: friend Debbie Gifford. Debbie never saw Katie that day. Nobody

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Speaker 2: ever saw Katie again. When did you hear that your

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Speaker 2: mum was missing?

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Speaker 3: It was the day the baby was born. I had

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Speaker 3: rang Alan to you know, check up and you know,

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Speaker 3: coop and do the sisterly thing. And I remember saying, so,

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Speaker 3: what did mum do during birth? And he's like, what

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Speaker 3: do you mean? I said, well, did she commandeer the

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Speaker 3: birthing room? Was she? Did she cry? Did she like?

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Speaker 3: Was it embarrassing? And he was like, she's not here?

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Speaker 3: And I said, what do you mean she's not there?

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Speaker 3: Because she's not here? And where is she? He goes, oh,

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Speaker 3: she's gone to visit. She's at Debs. And I went, well,

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Speaker 3: how long has she been there for? And he's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: a couple of days, four years? And I have you

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Speaker 3: told her? Did she know the baby's born? And he's

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Speaker 3: like no, And I said, okay, I'm like, well, has

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Speaker 3: she got a phone on her that she left it here?

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Speaker 3: Which at the time it made sense. She was useless

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Speaker 3: have Deb's number? And he goes no, and I said,

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Speaker 3: well who to have Deb's number? He goes Loma, and

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Speaker 3: I said, you have Loma's number and he said no.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't know at the time he was living

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Speaker 3: on her property. So I then had to peige tree

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Speaker 3: around Queensland trying to get ahold of Loma to get

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Speaker 3: Deb's number, and eventually I got onto Loma and Loma's like, look,

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Speaker 3: I'm in Maria visiting mum. I'll go get Katie and

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Speaker 3: I'll call you up, you know, I'll you know, and

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Speaker 3: the phone to you type thing. So I rang Alan

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Speaker 3: back and I said, okay, well this is blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: And I said, you want me to tell her you've

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Speaker 3: had the baby? Like do you want me to tell

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Speaker 3: her for it's a boy or a girl? And he goes, nah, effer,

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Speaker 3: you know, she wasn't there for the birth, and he

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Speaker 3: was a bit upset that she wasn't there for the

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Speaker 3: birth and yeah, and then I got to I think

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Speaker 3: I can't off the top of my head it was

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Speaker 3: either Loma called me or I got a message, but

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Speaker 3: it was basically, Katie's not at Deb's. I think we

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Speaker 3: need to go to the police. And then I rang

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Speaker 3: Alan back and I said, Mum's not there, and he's like,

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Speaker 3: what do you mean. I said, we need to report

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Speaker 3: She didn't even know she was going to be there,

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Speaker 3: like no one's seen her. And he's like, no, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure she's fine. And I said, well, you need to

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Speaker 3: So it was like it was a Tuesday, and he's like, nah,

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Speaker 3: saying to him, I don't care if she gets in trouble,

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Speaker 3: like where is she? And so we both agree. I

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Speaker 3: I even rang the priests to see if mom had

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Speaker 3: And then on Friday the thirteenth, ironically, she was reported missing.

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Speaker 2: And who made that call to the police? You are Alan, Alan.

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Speaker 3: I would have done it that night, but I didn't

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Speaker 3: know that you could report someone missing from interstate.

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Speaker 2: So between the twenty eighth of December, when you last

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Speaker 2: spoke to your mom for that short phone call, and

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Speaker 2: the ninth of January when you called Alan to check

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Speaker 2: on the birth of the baby, you had no idea

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Speaker 2: that your mum was missing.

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Speaker 3: No. I tried to call her for New Years but

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Speaker 3: it went to voicemail, which I didn't think much of.

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Speaker 3: I still remember I got a weird feeling in my

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Speaker 3: that something was wrong, even though I had no way

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Speaker 3: and then hanging up, and he sort of looked at

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Speaker 3: him like, I've just got a weird feeling. I feel

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Speaker 3: like there's something wrong. But I still remember New Year's

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Speaker 2: Loma and Alan had both said in the corner's report

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Speaker 3: Then why wasn't she reported missing sooner? Why did I

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Speaker 3: have to push him? I've I'm still a little lost

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Speaker 3: to be honest as to why she wasn't reported missing earlier,

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Speaker 3: because that was time that we could have actually gotten

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Speaker 3: So realistically, the first few days it's the best time,

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Speaker 3: not fifteen days. Afterwards, everyone's forgotten everything after fifteen days,

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Speaker 2: Lily is not the only one that has questions on

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Speaker 2: why it took so long to report him I'm missing.

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Speaker 2: It's a question that's also shared by Detective Senior Sergeant

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Speaker 2: Rector Vine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, with any investigation, in particular missing people, like the

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Speaker 4: Eight hours is really.

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Speaker 6: Crucial from an investigator's point of view. You know, a

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Speaker 6: lot of potential evidence can be lost with time. So

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Speaker 6: why it took him? I think it was actually longer

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Speaker 6: January two thousand and six. He went to the Atham

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Speaker 6: Police station report to missing. Well, I took him that

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Speaker 6: long to report his mother missing.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It's not something that I would do, but.

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Speaker 6: I guess you've got to look at the type of

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Speaker 6: person that he is.

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Speaker 4: He's living in a remote rural area in Raven so.

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Speaker 6: He's the fact I had just given birth.

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Speaker 4: I've got to take into consideration that his mother.

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Speaker 6: Was probably a little transient and involved in drug use.

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Speaker 6: He was most probably involved in drug use as well.

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Speaker 6: So what may appear to be very unusual to you

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Speaker 6: and I may not be unusual, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Alan made a statement to a person that has not

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Speaker 2: been named mister A.

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Speaker 6: I'm just not sure how we came about that Wind

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Speaker 6: came onto that witness, but we received information and he

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Speaker 6: Victorian police. He traveled to Queensland and gave evidence in

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Speaker 6: the inquest. His evidence was that he, for start as

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Speaker 6: he's a drug user or was a drug user and

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Speaker 6: had some psychiatric issues.

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Speaker 4: But he recalled.

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Speaker 6: With a great clarity conversation that he had with Alan

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Speaker 6: and in the presence of his brother Tim about about

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Speaker 6: Katie's disappearance. At the time, I think he was living

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Speaker 6: credible witness, and by that I mean, you know, he

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Speaker 6: honestly believed that conversation had taken place.

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Speaker 4: So maybe it had, maybe it hadn't, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: In the quest, mister A told the coroner that in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, a few years after Katie's disappearance,

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Speaker 2: he saw Alan in Maroulabarch in Victoria. At the time,

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Speaker 2: Tim and Bridgard were living with Alan. Mister A moved

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Speaker 2: into that house to live a week later. Mister A

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Speaker 2: told police that about three weeks after he moved in,

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Speaker 2: Alan and Tim, Alan's younger brother were talking about Katie.

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Speaker 2: Alan had been drinking and he said to mister A,

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Speaker 2: you know I killed mum, don't you. Mister Ray told

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Speaker 2: the inquest he thought Alan was trying to scare him

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Speaker 2: and he didn't believe that Alan had killed his mum.

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Speaker 2: A few days later, Alan and Tim were talking in

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Speaker 2: dig it up. Mister A asked what they were talking about,

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Speaker 2: and Alan said they buried ten pounds of pot in Queensland.

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Speaker 2: He then said something about it being so long ago

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Speaker 2: that it would have decomposed. Lily feels the word decomposed.

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Speaker 2: It's a strange way to talk about marijuana.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if pop decomposes. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: they could have been talking about there. Yeah, decomposes what

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Speaker 3: don't throw a carrot out and go, oh, it's decomposing

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Speaker 3: in the garden. It's a really strange word to use.

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Speaker 2: It's important to remember since Katie's been missing, Alan has

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Speaker 2: never actually spoken to police or been willing to be questioned.

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Speaker 6: You know, he's never once attempted to contact, to my knowledge,

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Speaker 6: police and find out what's happening. He was evasive from

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Speaker 6: the word go. And you know, probably the information he

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Speaker 6: had at his disposal would have been of great benefit

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Speaker 6: to our investigation, but it's not to be.

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Speaker 2: You went down to see him in Melbourne to question him.

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Speaker 2: What was his response when you did that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was some years earlier than the inquest.

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Speaker 4: He was quite evasive.

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Speaker 6: He didn't want to speak to me in relation to

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Speaker 6: his mother's disappearance without the presence of his lawyer. So

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Speaker 6: I gave him every opportunity at the time to contact

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Speaker 6: his lawyer. I was quite happy for that to occur,

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Speaker 6: but in the end of the day, he just walked

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Speaker 2: And so to date, from two thousand and five through

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Speaker 2: to now, Allan's never spoken about his mum's disappearance too.

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Speaker 4: Not to me.

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Speaker 6: That's the only time I've ever spoken to Alan O'sha

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Speaker 6: is when I actually located him in Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: Brett, you may or may not be able to answer

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Speaker 2: this question, But do you think he knows more than

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Speaker 2: he's saying or not saying.

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Speaker 6: Look, that's a distinct possibility. I can't say that with

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Speaker 6: any certainty, but I would certainly like to speak to

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Speaker 6: him again, that's for certain.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: But whether he knows more or had involvement in his

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Speaker 6: mother's disappearance, I honestly do.

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Speaker 2: Not know, Brett. Is he still a person of interest

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Definitely, yep, yep, definitely.

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Speaker 2: Alan is one person of interest in the disappearance of

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Speaker 2: his own mum, Katie O'sha. There is one other person,

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Speaker 2: this person and now we will call mister B. Can

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Speaker 2: we talk about mister B who has been named, but

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Speaker 2: for the purpose of this podcast, we're going to keep

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Speaker 2: him as mister B. He is a significant person of interest.

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Speaker 6: Well, there really are only two persons of interest at

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Speaker 6: this stage, so yeah, I think so. I'm not suggesting

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Speaker 6: Katie's disappearance, but the modus operandi is certainly consistent.

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Speaker 2: Let's say that, and we have a lot of information

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Speaker 4: Yes he was Yep.

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Speaker 6: Katie some years prior to that lived in Millamella with

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Speaker 6: actually lived in Mela Milla around the same time as

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Speaker 6: mister B was living there, and there is some evidence

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Speaker 6: on record that they had met in Miller Miller. So

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Speaker 6: there's an association there with Katie's family, that's for certain.

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Speaker 2: You can hear Detective Senior Sergeant Brett Devine is being

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Speaker 2: mister B. There is a very real reason why that's

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Speaker 2: the case, and in the next episode we uncover why

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Speaker 2: mister B is a very significant person of interest in

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Speaker 2: the disappearance of Katie.

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Speaker 6: O'Shea I received a call from the Special Crime Squad

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Speaker 6: in West Australia and it was.

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Speaker 4: More along the lines of.

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Speaker 6: What can you tell me about He's a person of

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Speaker 6: interest in relation to a missing person. You know during

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Speaker 6: the conversation, well, well join the dots, so to speak.

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Speaker 5: You're up in the guy Jerry Palme to the mountain

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Speaker 5: and my friend you see the lookain.

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Speaker 2: She'll love me.

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