WEBVTT - Fish Or Shark? (An Investigation)

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<v Speaker 2>Right, we're jumping straight into this main episode you heard.

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<v Speaker 2>I've just found out apparently when you order fish and

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<v Speaker 2>chips at seafood places in Australia, it's actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Shark, almost commonly shark.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm sure you can order shark at a fish

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<v Speaker 2>and chip shop.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, there's no denying that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying that if I order a fish cocktail, you

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<v Speaker 2>are both telling me that it is probably shark.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I've heard.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you've heard it.

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<v Speaker 2>But like gay Jay's like adamant that it is that

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<v Speaker 2>fish cocktails are shark. Do people know this? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>know that? Like, do people know that when they're ordering this?

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<v Speaker 1>So I've just looked it up on chat GBT. Everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna hate that.

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<v Speaker 5>So chat Jabt says in Australia, if you order flake

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<v Speaker 5>from a fish and chip shop, So, first of all,

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<v Speaker 5>I've never seen.

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<v Speaker 4>Flakes, but I think.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're usually eating shark.

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<v Speaker 5>Traditionally, flake refers to species like gummy shark and school shark.

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<v Speaker 5>These sharks are small, mild tasting, boneless and have been

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<v Speaker 5>a fish and chip a fish and chip staple for decades. However,

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<v Speaker 5>if you order fish and chips without specifying flake, you

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<v Speaker 5>might get shark, barramundy, hockey, blue grenadier, flathead, whiting or

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<v Speaker 5>other local fish depending on the shop.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not true that.

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<v Speaker 5>Most fish and chips in Australia are shark, but it

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<v Speaker 5>is true that one of the most iconic fish and

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<v Speaker 5>chip options is shark.

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<v Speaker 4>Iconic I think that's chatchbt just speaking of one.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, a lot of Australians grew up eating shark.

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<v Speaker 4>Why would it be iconic?

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<v Speaker 5>It just says, fun fact a lot of Australians grew

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<v Speaker 5>up eating shark without realizing it.

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<v Speaker 6>You can kind of tell with the consistency and like

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<v Speaker 6>I almost want to say it's called flake because it's

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<v Speaker 6>like almost like flaky, you know that you know.

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<v Speaker 1>You eat it's got like a grass color on it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of just like flakes offt do you know what

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<v Speaker 4>I mean?

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<v Speaker 6>Like that's what the layering of the layering of like

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<v Speaker 6>the meat is like that I'm making that up.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's what I feel like, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>i'd say the majority of it is like I also

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<v Speaker 4>wondering to let me just look up what a flake

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<v Speaker 4>looks like?

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<v Speaker 2>So flake, fish and chip, because my thing is, is

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<v Speaker 2>this a case of potato scullletted potato cake?

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<v Speaker 4>What's the potato cake?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they call it.

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<v Speaker 2>What they call it in Melbourne, I think maybe at

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<v Speaker 2>late as well they call it potato cakes, whereas we

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<v Speaker 2>call it potato scallops.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, this is exactly what I'm thinking of this fish here.

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<v Speaker 6>I've looked at flake. It looks like the fish on

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<v Speaker 6>his flakes of itself. That's the type of fish I'm

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<v Speaker 6>thinking of that. I'm like, yeah, that's the shark that

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<v Speaker 6>I'll leave the fish.

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<v Speaker 4>And chip shop.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, so now we're getting into muddy territory because

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<v Speaker 2>the way you two came in bulling a China shop. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>all fish in fish and chip shops in Australia is shark.

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, that's not the case at all. If you

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<v Speaker 2>order the specific fish that is flaky and probably called flake.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think we have the standards I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we spoke about the seafood the other day that no

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<v Speaker 2>one's gonna be like, our fish is shark, and it

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<v Speaker 2>not be somewhere.

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<v Speaker 6>Fish because they'll have the name of the fish. But

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<v Speaker 6>if it's just if they just say fish and chips,

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<v Speaker 6>it could shark.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but I don't think that's right.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, maybe next time you go to fish and chip shop,

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<v Speaker 5>everyone and you're ordering it, and you order fish and chip,

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<v Speaker 5>ask what is this kind of fish?

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<v Speaker 4>Actually? Does anyone who listens work in a fish and

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<v Speaker 4>chip shop?

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<v Speaker 2>Take c I'm jumping in scrollers right now. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to say, anyone work in a fish and chip shop

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<v Speaker 2>and we can call you right this second. Yeah, in

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<v Speaker 2>the Instagram. I just found some research though, So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna write this in the in the chart and then

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully we get someone.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Shark on the menu at fish and chip shops despite

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<v Speaker 2>being deemed threatened species. So one hundred and twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>flake samples were taken from takeaway outlets across South Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what makes me think that like flake is on

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<v Speaker 2>the menu in South Australia. In fact, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>update scrollers and say bonus points if you live in

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<v Speaker 2>South Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>Two people have said yes already, Okay, can you message

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<v Speaker 4>one of them? Yeah, I'm messaging.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll off this research that we're going to call someone.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm on the case because this said research

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<v Speaker 2>by the University of Adelaide lized flake filet sold by

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<v Speaker 2>more than one hundred outlets across Adelaide and regional South Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>identified barely a quarter as the non endangered gummy shark. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>four threatened species were identified. So again, Google girl, gay

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<v Speaker 2>j Sorry, oh my god, sorry, it's just like in

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<v Speaker 2>my blood.

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<v Speaker 4>To say that.

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<v Speaker 2>But four threatened species were identified. So five minutes ago

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<v Speaker 2>when you went no, I don't think the threatened species

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<v Speaker 2>are getting sold. Well, the research says otherwise, including the

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<v Speaker 2>short fin maco and smooth hammerhead. Yeah, the hamaheads there

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<v Speaker 2>go and over six months feoth finned though, is that endangered?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you just said short.

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<v Speaker 2>Smooth hamm ahead, Yeah, got the number here, Hello, my darling, good,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you?

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<v Speaker 4>This is so random? I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>You run the part, you run the broadcast, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>happy to be on the podcast and answer some question

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<v Speaker 2>for us.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, okay, perfect, it's Hannah, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 7>Sure is?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are having a bit of a debate here

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<v Speaker 2>because gay Jay and Brittany have just brought to my

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<v Speaker 2>attention that in fish and chip shops in Australia, when

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<v Speaker 2>you order fish and chips, if you just go up

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<v Speaker 2>to the counter and say hello, can I get fish

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<v Speaker 2>and chips, the fish is actually shark. And we're doing

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<v Speaker 2>some research to see whether that is the truth or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know the answer?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's we have variations of it. We have flathead,

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<v Speaker 7>but our actual flake is shark.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is the difference though, Like if I come

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<v Speaker 2>in and go, hey, can I just get fish cocktails?

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<v Speaker 2>Like is that flake? Or do I have to specifically

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<v Speaker 2>say hey can I have the flake? And then I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get the shark?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you'll have to specify. So our flat head is

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<v Speaker 7>crumbed and our flake is battered?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>And if someone just says can I have fish and chips?

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<v Speaker 5>Do they get given the shark?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>Ye oh.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry I said that, God, and you said I was

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<v Speaker 4>wrong for saying that. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>You So if someone just comes in and says, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>can I get fish and chips?

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<v Speaker 4>They'll be getting shark. See.

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<v Speaker 2>My thing is, Hannah, I don't think Australians know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think Australians know that?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really No, No, I don't think anybody knows that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well to people, well yeah, well Brittany and gay Jay

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<v Speaker 2>both knew that that was the case, and I am

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<v Speaker 2>shocked by it.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're doing the research.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to call a couple more people and corroborate

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<v Speaker 2>the stories and make sure that everybody's.

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<v Speaker 4>Telling the truth. But thank you so much for coming

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<v Speaker 4>on the pod and clearing that up for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah, Love you, Hannah, love you.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for being a scroller, and we'll talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 4>Darl Bye bye. I have a good day.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, next person.

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<v Speaker 2>Go get on it. Okay. So this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>I see, I don't know. I don't think Australian knows Monique. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>this is Monique gorgeous. You'll have to when you edit this, by.

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<v Speaker 1>The way, you got to do this thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, we're on anyway. Hello.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I was just about to give you my name

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<v Speaker 2>and email and address and everything. Old and get through security.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got high security on your phone.

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<v Speaker 4>Love Monique. Yes, okay, this is Monique. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, we're calling a few different people, so I was

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<v Speaker 2>just double checking Monique. Are you happy to be on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast before we proceed?

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<v Speaker 7>I am.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a classroom teacher and the bell is about to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, we'll be as quick as possible. So you

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<v Speaker 2>have worked in a fish and chip shop before? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so the deal is Brittany and Gaje have just told

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<v Speaker 2>me that when you order fish and chips in Australia

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<v Speaker 2>you are actually getting shark.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that the truth? Correct?

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<v Speaker 1>So our standard fish is actually hake, but we do

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<v Speaker 1>so well we used to sell sharks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, But if I come in and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>can I just get fish and chips?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you serving me shark? Or do I have to

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<v Speaker 4>specifically ask for the flake?

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<v Speaker 6>Have to specifically ask?

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<v Speaker 3>But normally our standard fish is hake or flake?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but no have to ask for shark. What's the

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<v Speaker 2>difference between hake and flake?

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<v Speaker 5>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 7>Flake is think it is a shark, but hake is

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<v Speaker 7>standard cheapest fish on the market.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, great, great, great.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well maybe it depends on the fish and.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, fabulous all right, we're getting to the bottom of this.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let you go because the bell is about to ring.

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<v Speaker 2>But thank you Manique for giving us an answer.

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<v Speaker 4>There, good day, bye bye.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry had to let her go, but that's good because yes,

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<v Speaker 2>back now here we go.

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<v Speaker 4>You're going I told you and you said I was wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>As this is why we do.

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<v Speaker 2>We conduct more than one phone call and we will

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully get a third one.

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<v Speaker 1>It really comes down to the fish and chip shop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because I think that the this has told us

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<v Speaker 2>a lesson that we should be asking more questions.

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<v Speaker 4>At a fish and chip shop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we should be doing more research at the fish

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<v Speaker 2>and chip shop because I think if Australians knew or

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<v Speaker 2>even thought or it was considered that they were eating shark,

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<v Speaker 2>that in my brain I go, like, I meant.

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<v Speaker 6>To ask, how like if people know we need a

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<v Speaker 6>yes or no to see if people know that they're

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<v Speaker 6>getting shark.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we'll do it after Yeah in a poll.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, are we calling one more person?

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<v Speaker 4>Someone says I could pretend that I do chips.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I think that's I think I think we

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<v Speaker 2>need a third one to like verify. But I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>happy with the research because what's not what's happened is is, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we know now that there is shark. Now the first people,

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<v Speaker 2>the first one was because that's the other thing is

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<v Speaker 2>I go, wouldn't shark be more expensive than a fish?

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<v Speaker 2>And she was saying that hake is that what she

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<v Speaker 2>was calling it, Monique, hake is like the cheapest fish

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<v Speaker 2>on the market. Like, that's what I would assume is

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<v Speaker 2>in a fish cocktail if I'm ordering fish cop it's

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<v Speaker 2>just cheap, the cheapest fish, like, and I would assume

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<v Speaker 2>shark might be more expensive because I'm thinking how many

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<v Speaker 2>sharks are there compared to how many fish? Surely there's

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<v Speaker 2>heaps more fish in the ocean than sharks. Don't you

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm going to go google?

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<v Speaker 4>Anyone googled? You googles?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh my god, has anyone DMed you numbers? Because I

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<v Speaker 6>haven't got no anymore yet.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, I'm triple checking. No, it's the jury is

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<v Speaker 4>still out.

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot to ask where they were from, because I

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<v Speaker 2>also think it's one of those things where South Australia

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<v Speaker 2>it's all shark, you know what I mean? And then

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales no you have to request flake. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's one of those things where it might just

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<v Speaker 2>be state to state, it's a bit different. And as

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<v Speaker 2>we said, that new seafood regulations that we spoke about

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<v Speaker 2>that was New Southwest specific, so like different places might

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<v Speaker 2>have different customs on how they do things. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think in a sense we're both right.

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<v Speaker 6>Because you said no shark is You're no, there's no

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<v Speaker 6>way there's even shark, and I was like, they definitely are.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not as fish and chips, like, not as a

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<v Speaker 2>fish cocktail.

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<v Speaker 4>If I go in and say fish cock.

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<v Speaker 5>I reckon, you'd be surprised about how often that would

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<v Speaker 5>be shark When you say, can I have a fish cocktail?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, thank god I don't eat fish, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to worry about that. But I'm worried for Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Australia realizes that when they're ordering fish cocktails,

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<v Speaker 2>they're ordering shark.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, a shark should be on shark is a fish?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh a shark? That's like fucking that's not right. That's

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<v Speaker 4>like saying a pigeon is chicken. It's all taste the same,

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<v Speaker 4>like a bird.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a type of bird, just like a shark's different

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<v Speaker 6>type of fish, but you wouldn't need a pigeon.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't know that, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but like we eat a magpie?

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<v Speaker 2>If you went in a magpie, actually you can no

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<v Speaker 2>listen because this is the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>If I went in to the kebab shop and I said.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, I'll get a chicken hellal snack pack place chicken tailor,

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<v Speaker 2>and they.

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<v Speaker 4>Serve me magpie, would that not be alarming? We would?

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<v Speaker 4>You go, what the fuck? It would be illegal? So

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<v Speaker 4>why do we allow fish and chip shops to go?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, because obviously it's not illegal to serve shark, like here.

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<v Speaker 4>They're allowed to do it, So it's illegal to serve magpie. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>this is what's confusing to me.

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<v Speaker 6>There's like there's like rules and regulations and standards for

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<v Speaker 6>animals we can kill and need.

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<v Speaker 5>I think they yeah, maybe don't call it shark because

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<v Speaker 5>that seems like scary or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so that's my whole point. You're they're blind.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't doing it, and we said, yes, shark could

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<v Speaker 2>be an option. You came in guns blazing, going fish

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<v Speaker 2>cocktails a shark. As we've done the research, we have

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<v Speaker 2>realized that some places that is the general consensus that

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<v Speaker 2>if you just order fish and chips, you get in Shark.

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<v Speaker 2>But as we just learned from Monique, it's the opposite

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<v Speaker 2>as well, which is why I was saying in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>as you would have to specify, let's get Pauling Hanson

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<v Speaker 2>on she had of his chip shop, and she can

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<v Speaker 2>give us the please explained, definitive answer.

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<v Speaker 4>Fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care enough about the topic to have her

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere near me. Dylan anyway, I don't know if we

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<v Speaker 2>got to the bottom of this or not, but I

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<v Speaker 2>can't be fucked.

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<v Speaker 3>This concludes this special High Scrollers investigation. See your next

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