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Speaker 1: I get a team, welcome to another installing the U projects.

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Speaker 1: Sadly for David Gillespie, Tiffany and Cook is not here

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Speaker 1: for any reason. He fronts up one's a Fortnite is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know. I could hear the disappointment

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Speaker 1: People say, why don't you see the disappointment in his face,

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Speaker 1: because he's just a black screen when we chat, which

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know what to do. So keep that off.

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Speaker 2: I find it.

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Speaker 1: I actually was interviewing someone the other day and nearly

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Speaker 2: So we're in.

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Speaker 1: We're about forty minutes into what turned out to be

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Speaker 1: me because I was so used to anyway, how have

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Speaker 1: you been, mate? What's News's news on planet? You?

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Speaker 3: Not a lot?

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Speaker 4: I'm just at the moment too busy to write, which

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Speaker 4: is irritating me. So I've just got a lot on.

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Speaker 4: So I find that frustrating when I, you know, look

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Speaker 3: Like three or four weeks ago. That really irritates me.

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Speaker 2: So what keeps you?

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, I know this is a dumb question,

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Speaker 2: Like, what what do you do?

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Speaker 4: Mostly, you know, it's not my work. My day job

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Speaker 3: So I have, that's right, I have.

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Speaker 4: I have four children who play European handball and.

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Speaker 4: I'm the president of the biggest probably the biggest club

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Speaker 1: To us, you are the gift that keeps on giving.

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Speaker 1: Like you are hilarious. I remember, I remember when you

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Speaker 1: one day, after knowing you for a couple of years

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Speaker 1: free schools dot org. Yes, if you don't know anything

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Speaker 1: about that, we don't have time everyone, but free schools

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Speaker 1: David and a bunch of other inspirational and amazing people

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Speaker 1: have built this phenomenal thing that's just a gift to

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Speaker 1: the world. But have a look at that. But then,

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Speaker 1: We'll probably go where we spoke about going, but fuck

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Speaker 4: So European handball is probably the second biggest sport in

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Speaker 4: And the difference between it and futsal is that you

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Speaker 1: and I'm just thinking about it. When when you like,

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Speaker 4: It's not giving up, you know, the difference between people

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Speaker 1: eighty percent or ninety percent water, So being dehydrated fucks

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Speaker 1: up cognitive function. Booze as you alluded to sleep of course.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's not so much the dehydration from booze as

445
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Speaker 4: the aldehyde. So alcohol is very effectively turned into a

446
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: really dangerous aldehyde in our bloodstream, and we've got systems

447
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 4: designed by evolution to deal with that in relatively low quantities,

448
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 4: the kind of quantities you might get from showering down

449
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 4: on fermented fruit. But at the kind of quantities you're

450
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Speaker 4: consuming when you binge drink, you're really overloading that system

451
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Speaker 4: to the point where you really are doing serious aldehyde damage. Now,

452
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 4: the interesting thing is that aldehydes are bad for us

453
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Speaker 4: wherever they come from. So we get them from smoking

454
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Speaker 4: or inhaling any kind of anything that's burned. So that's acroleine,

455
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Speaker 4: which is an aldehyde. We get a settle aldehyde from alcohol,

456
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Speaker 4: and we get four hne the deadliest of them, all

457
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Speaker 4: from consuming seed oils, and all of them screw up

458
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Speaker 4: our brain. So it's not people when they talk about

459
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Speaker 4: it alcohol and say why it's bad for you.

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Speaker 3: The dehydration often comes up, but that's not really the point.

461
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: It's the aldehyde really screwing up our brain and killing

462
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Speaker 3: off brain cells at really stupendous volumes.

463
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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what else is bad for our brain,

464
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Speaker 2: Stress and anxiety, isn't it? Yeah?

465
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yeah, not as bad as aldehydes, but yeah, you

466
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 4: put yourself in a high dopamine state, which is what

467
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Speaker 4: stress and anxiety is. And yeah, that's not a good

468
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 4: thing for your brain either.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and what about an addiction.

470
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Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, I feel like in it. I

471
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Speaker 1: use this term before we went live, and I use

472
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Speaker 1: it with some trepidation around you.

473
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Speaker 2: But it's essentially the psychology of aging. And by that

474
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Speaker 2: all I mean is, you know.

475
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Speaker 1: How people think about aging and how people talk about

476
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Speaker 1: their possibilities and potential at a given age, which is

477
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Speaker 1: almost like this cultural programming of oh, well, you know,

478
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Speaker 1: he's in the golden years now, or like I take

479
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Speaker 1: my dad to the months a week, he trains with

480
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Speaker 1: the next those physiologist another time, and he goes once

481
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Speaker 1: by himself and he's eighty five and you know his

482
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Speaker 1: you know, he's not running one hundred meters in ten

483
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Speaker 1: seconds or a marathon in three hours, but his level

484
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Speaker 1: of physiological function and strength and balance and coordination, and

485
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Speaker 1: I would think all of that is similar to someone

486
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Speaker 1: who's maybe sixty five to seventy what we would loosely

487
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Speaker 1: call biological age. And I don't know, I just feel

488
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Speaker 1: like there's a mentality that people get, or a point

489
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Speaker 1: at time, point of time where people get where they

490
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Speaker 1: essentially go, Well, you know, father time or mother time

491
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Speaker 1: or whatever has caught up with me.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 4: Well, they're probably right. I mean, your sort of muscle

494
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Speaker 4: mass is declining after thirty as a consequence of normal.

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Speaker 2: Aging with it without an intervention.

496
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Speaker 3: Without an intervention.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and bone mass, you know, is you know, on

498
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 4: a similar trajectory, and there's probably not a lot you

499
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Speaker 4: can do about bone mass.

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Speaker 3: But the.

501
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Speaker 4: I guess there's a reality there that people have to accept,

502
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 4: which is that there are two ways of doing life.

503
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Speaker 4: The dominant form of it on this planet is what

504
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Speaker 4: I would call it. You know, I think we've talked

505
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Speaker 4: about this before, the big Vira approach, which is, if

506
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Speaker 4: you were the you know, the ultimate I guess pen

507
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Speaker 4: maker in the sky and you had to decide how

508
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Speaker 4: you're going to invest your resources. If you wanted to

509
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Speaker 4: ensure that there were pens around on your planet.

510
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Speaker 3: You could.

511
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Speaker 4: You could take the approach of saying, you know what

512
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Speaker 4: I'm going to do. I'm going to spend thousands of

513
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Speaker 4: dollars per pen. I'm going to make a mont Blanc

514
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Speaker 4: pen that never wears out. It's going to be absolutely fabulous,

515
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Speaker 4: this thing it is. You know, it'll last one thousand years,

516
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Speaker 4: there's no trouble whatsoever. Or I'm going to take the

517
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Speaker 4: same amount of money and I'm going to and I'm

518
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Speaker 4: going to churn out ten thousand big biros. Well, for

519
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 4: most forms of life on this planet, evolution chose the

520
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Speaker 4: big Biro approach, which is shit happens. You're going to

521
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Speaker 4: lose some big biros, but it doesn't matter because we're

522
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Speaker 4: producing ten thousand a minute, right, So yeah, exactly.

523
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Speaker 3: And they all get there in the end.

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Speaker 4: You know, either way, stuff gets written and so it's

525
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 4: perfectly viable. By the way, and I've read books about this.

526
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 4: The mathematics is viable, and in fact, I think I

527
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 4: can't name them off the top of my head, but

528
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Speaker 4: there are life forms that pursue this approach where you

529
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Speaker 4: do go the mont Blanc pen approach, which is this

530
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 4: thing it never dies, right, it just continuously regenerates. It's

531
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Speaker 4: enormously resource intensive, it has to be fed the entire time,

532
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: takes a lot of endge, but it lasts forever. Trouble is,

533
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 4: if a truck runs over it, it's just as dead

534
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 4: as the as the big biro is or you know. So,

535
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 4: evolution has taken the approach that numbers win every time.

536
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Speaker 4: So if you're going to produce a ten thousand things

537
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Speaker 4: a minute, that means, unfortunately, that we go the less

538
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: intended energy intense route of these things age. So once

539
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Speaker 4: you hit reproductive the end of reproductive usefulness, which is

540
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 4: about forty, which by the way is a significant extension

541
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Speaker 4: on what evolution programmed into us anyway, which is about thirty,

542
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: there's really no point keeping you alive as far as

543
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Speaker 4: evolution is concerned, as long as you're capable of producing

544
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Speaker 4: the next generation. So everything after that is a bonus,

545
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 4: and your body is in system decline at that point

546
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Speaker 4: where you know there's no real need from an evolutionary

547
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: perspective for you to stay alive, but you know you can't.

548
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Speaker 1: Oh god, if you're feeling flat, everybody right, But you're not.

549
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you're my age, you're definitely

550
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: not needed.

551
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: Same with absolutely you just dead. Wait, No, we're just kidden.

552
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: We're just kidding.

553
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: So, I mean, we talk a lot. We'll just we'll

554
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Speaker 1: wrap up in a few minutes. But we talk a

555
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 1: lot about, for one a better term or a more

556
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: specific term, the relationship that we have with technology in

557
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Speaker 1: the potential impact of the way that we individually use technology.

558
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Speaker 1: We talk a lot about young people. You're kind of

559
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: you're intertwined with tech. What's your relationship with technology? Do

560
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: you ever get Do you ever do like doom scrolling

561
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: where you wake up and you've been looking at bullshit

562
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: for an hour?

563
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: Oh?

564
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: No, I used to do it with Twitter, and I

565
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: was doing it when I started writing I think teen

566
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 4: brain and when I understood what was going on there.

567
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: But you were trying to get a teen brain so

568
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Speaker 2: that you could understand it.

569
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Speaker 4: No, No, I was using I'd been using Twitter since

570
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: it started, and I'd always found it a fairly interesting

571
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 4: and real time access to news makers, and that's what

572
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 4: it was at the start, and so I'd used it

573
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: a fair bit and I had definitely noticed when I

574
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 4: was starting to write in Tin Brain about the tools

575
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 4: the programers were using to addict us to things like that,

576
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 4: and the way the doom scroll worked, and the psychology

577
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 4: that it was based on, and the experiments it was

578
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 4: based on, which is the uncertainty principle, which essentially doubles

579
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: the dopamine hit, where you don't always get the thing

580
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 4: you want to see, You get a bunch of things

581
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: you don't want to see, then something you do want

582
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 4: to see, then some things that you don't want to see,

583
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 4: And that uncertainty is how a doom scroll works and

584
00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 4: makes the app addictive. When I sort of was sanding

585
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 4: back and looking at myself and saying, you know what,

586
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 4: this is working on you. This is actually working on you.

587
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 4: You've got to stop doing it. So I did, but

588
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: it's yeah, it's there. And that's probably the closest I've

589
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 4: come to interacting with social media in that way I've

590
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 4: but now that I'm very aware of the techniques that

591
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 4: are being used to do it. And look, people who've

592
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: read Team Brain and Brain Reset, my books that focus

593
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 4: on this, say the same thing. About two thirds of

594
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 4: people who give me feedback about it, I would say

595
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 4: say that now that they know what is going on

596
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 4: and how they are being manipulated, they're able to stop it.

597
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 4: About the other thirds say, don't be ridiculous. I'm not

598
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: addicted to that, and I could quit any time and

599
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: then proceed never to quit.

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00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So my last question is around We've spoken a little

602
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: bit about your job, my job, and your potential addiction

603
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: to work or workaholicness and mind, but neither of us

604
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: really experience it as work per se. With all the

605
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: things that demand your attention, from kids, to family, to projects,

606
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: to lawyering to hanging out with me once fortnite, how

607
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: do you decide what to give your attention? Like, there's

608
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: more things that you have more options of where to

609
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: invest your time, focus, energy and skill than you have

610
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: time to actually allocate.

611
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: Same with me.

612
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: I say no to about nine things for everyone that

613
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: I say yes to. What's the deciding factor for you

614
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: in terms of where you will invest your energy, focus

615
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: and time.

616
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good question.

617
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 4: I sort of do it automatically, so I'm not certain

618
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 4: what the answer to that is. I'd have to say curiosity.

619
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Speaker 2: Is.

620
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Speaker 4: I mean, one of the reasons I keep doing this

621
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 4: with you is because we never talk about the same thing.

622
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 4: So you know it's interesting, you know, I believe it

623
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 4: or not, Craig, you're an interesting bloke to.

624
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: Chat to, So cut that bit out.

625
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: T take that bullshit out.

626
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: But you know that that's That's one of the things.

627
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 4: If it's if it's interesting, I'm more likely to do

628
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 4: it than not. If it's something I've done a hundred

629
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 4: times before, then it's going to be it's going to

630
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 4: be something that I'm going to have to force myself

631
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 4: to do, which sometimes I might do depending on why

632
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 4: I'm doing it. If it's I like, I like benefiting others.

633
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 4: I like if there's something that I can do that

634
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 4: I know it's that would help. Especially what's the word

635
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 4: for that, It'll be leverage. If there's a simple thing

636
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: that I can do that I know a lot of

637
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 4: people will benefit from, then I'll then I'd be more

638
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: likely to do that, even if it's something that I'm

639
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 4: not really keen on doing.

640
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's very magnanimous as mine.

641
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: And it makes me sound like some sort of saint.

642
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 3: No it isn't.

643
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: I know, you're a prick, it's all right, but you're

644
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: a prick that does good things, and it's okay.

645
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 4: No, it's I'm not even thinking about it in that way,

646
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 4: but it is now that I think about it, because

647
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 4: you forced me to.

648
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: I'd say, that's that's something that does motivate me.

649
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I'm of course I'm fucking with him.

650
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: Everyone don't send me an email.

651
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: I actually like him, But I like my version of

652
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: that is having a purpose bigger than me is like

653
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: doing shit where you know, I like you, I can

654
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: make someone else's journey or life or a bit better,

655
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: or I can help them help themselves or open a

656
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: door that they can't open.

657
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: And I think the stuff that.

658
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: Like what I like about you is you or like

659
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: you are probably more excited about the things which are

660
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Speaker 1: philanthropics not the right word, but but where you are

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Speaker 1: just giving. You know, it's like the European Handball Club.

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Speaker 1: What's it called that you run the Brisbane.

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Speaker 3: The Brisbane Handball Club.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So you don't get paid anything for that.

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Speaker 2: That's that's costing you definitely time.

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Speaker 3: A lot of time and money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 1: So you know you are single handed, We'll not single handedly,

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Speaker 1: but you're one of the driving forces and it's something

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Speaker 1: that you don't need to do. You know, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's you know, let's not start complimenting too much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll just make everyone makes it a bit.

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Speaker 1: It makes me a bit queasy, you know, maybe say

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Speaker 1: goodbye affair and we'll go affair and insult each other

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Speaker 1: a bit, so we feel Thanks mate, Thanks for your time, La,