WEBVTT - Sharri | 22 August

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<v Speaker 1>Why on Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show tonight. Labor MP's dismayed at Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Albanesi's call over garsen visas after a shocking parliamentary fortnite.

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<v Speaker 2>Labour figures are alarmed that the Prime Minister couldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>say her mus supporters aren't welcome in this country. More

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<v Speaker 2>on that exclusive. In a moment, Former Prime Minister Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Morrison responds to the news that the UK is reviewing

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<v Speaker 2>the Orchest deal. I spoke with him exclusively today, plus

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<v Speaker 2>text messages highlight the involvement of the so called mean

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<v Speaker 2>girls Penny Wong and Katie Gallagher in the Britney Higgins saga.

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<v Speaker 2>Legal affairs expert Chris Merritt will take us through the

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<v Speaker 2>latest evidence and a scathing attack on The New York

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<v Speaker 2>Times from the former editor in chief of The Age,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Gowenda. He'll join me live in the pro tonight

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss the doxing scandal. But first we are witnessing

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<v Speaker 2>at the DNC the shameless and audacious remaking of Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>The kings of showbiz and politics, Oprah and the Clintons

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<v Speaker 2>are harnessing their power to transform Harris from an incompetent

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<v Speaker 2>laughing stock to one of America's political greats. This is

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<v Speaker 2>spin at its finest, a truly masterful transformation of an

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<v Speaker 2>inept candidate. For here was Oprah and Bill Clinton propping

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<v Speaker 2>up Kamala Harris. Today, Carmon sense tells you that Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris and Tim Wallas can give us decency.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's all choose Karmala Harror.

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<v Speaker 4>When Kamala Harris as president, every day will begin with you.

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<v Speaker 5>You.

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<v Speaker 2>You, you, the candidate utterly transformed from someone not even

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<v Speaker 2>the left wing media thought was capable of becoming president.

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<v Speaker 6>I think she was arguably Biden's worst political decision.

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<v Speaker 5>They don't like her.

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<v Speaker 2>There's lots of reasons they.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't like her.

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<v Speaker 7>Kamala Harris's approval rating is now at twenty eight percent,

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<v Speaker 7>which is an historic low for any modern vice president.

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<v Speaker 6>We're hearing it from mainstream media, one outlet after another,

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<v Speaker 6>one league after another, that Kamala Harris is a worst

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<v Speaker 6>vice president ever, the worst Polish distetition ever.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was all when she was VP, when Biden

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<v Speaker 2>was still intending to be the Democratic nominee. So how

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<v Speaker 2>has this happened? Will Barack Obama's tacticians have reportedly become

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<v Speaker 2>involved or even taken over Kamala Harris's presidential campaign. It's

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinary that gloss, slogans, and the power of celebrity can

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<v Speaker 2>transformed the perception of an individual to the point that

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<v Speaker 2>she appears tough where she was weak, and intelligent where

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<v Speaker 2>she was incompetent. The Wall Street Journal's editorial board says

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<v Speaker 2>that Harris is no longer the vice president who failed

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<v Speaker 2>to secure the border. She'll now be tough on illegal migration.

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<v Speaker 2>She's no longer the veep who said Bidenomics is working

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<v Speaker 2>while inflation reached a forty year high. She's now the

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<v Speaker 2>candidate who will reduce your family's food bill by going

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<v Speaker 2>after your grosser for price gouging. Her campaign suggests she's

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<v Speaker 2>changed her views on all that, although she hasn't said

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<v Speaker 2>why or even been asked. The Wall Street Journal says

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<v Speaker 2>Americans are expected to take her expedient leap from the

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<v Speaker 2>left to the center on faith. Well, if this spin works,

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<v Speaker 2>and if Kamala Harris is elected president, she'll be the

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<v Speaker 2>most radical left figure to command the Oval office. The

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<v Speaker 2>prospect is alarming because the media are failing to interrogate

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<v Speaker 2>her on what she actually stands for, on what her

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<v Speaker 2>domestic all foreign policies are. And this is concerning at

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<v Speaker 2>the most volatile period in global politics since the Second

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<v Speaker 2>World War. We're seeing an ambitious China, an emboldened Iran,

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<v Speaker 2>and an aggressive Russia, all of them forming closer alliances

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<v Speaker 2>to challenge the West and threaten our peace. And what

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<v Speaker 2>do we know of how Kamala Harris would lead America

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<v Speaker 2>and the world through this troubled period, Well close to nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>And the DNC, for all its glitz and showbiz, hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>enlightened us in the slightest. There's an absence of substance

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<v Speaker 2>and an abundance of Trump bashing. Now, it should be

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<v Speaker 2>the simplest thing to say that terror supporters are not

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<v Speaker 2>welcome in our country, but the Prime Minister just can't

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<v Speaker 2>say it. He can't say that terror supporters aren't welcome

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia. Liberal im P Julie and Lisa asked Albineasi

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<v Speaker 2>this question twice today in Parliament. Have a look, Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 8>On October seven, Hamas terrorists went into small Israeli farming

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<v Speaker 8>villages and a music festival where they filmed themselves gleefully

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<v Speaker 8>murdering children, raping women and mutilating their victims, including after death.

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<v Speaker 8>Thirteen hundred innocent people were gunned down and murdered for sport,

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<v Speaker 8>and two hundred and fifty one hostages were forced at

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<v Speaker 8>gunpoint into Hamas terror tunnels under Gaza. On return, thousands

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<v Speaker 8>of people were dancing in the streets in celebration. Prime

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<v Speaker 8>Minister did supporting Hamas passed the character test for an

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<v Speaker 8>Australian visa a simple answer.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister just couldn't answer the question.

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<v Speaker 9>One of the things that some of the Jewish community

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<v Speaker 9>leaders have said to me in the wake of October

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<v Speaker 9>seven is that they are precisely the sort of people

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<v Speaker 9>who want to see peace and reconciliation with the Palestinians

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<v Speaker 9>as well. There they were very close to where the

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<v Speaker 9>border was, and to have them subjected to the horrific murder,

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<v Speaker 9>rape and abuse that occurred, the kidnapping of people is

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<v Speaker 9>horrific if it occurred to any human being.

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<v Speaker 2>And the speaker wouldn't even take a point of order,

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<v Speaker 2>presumably to point out that the Prime Minister wasn't answering

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<v Speaker 2>the question. So Julian Lisa got up and asked it

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<v Speaker 2>again very specifically.

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<v Speaker 8>Prime minister does supporting Hamas past the character test for

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<v Speaker 8>an Australian visa.

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<v Speaker 2>Albin Easy would not answer well. After question time, Julian

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<v Speaker 2>and Lisa told me, I don't understand why the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister cannot say what Australians expect a prime minister to say,

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<v Speaker 2>that anyone who supports terrorist organizations like HAMAS is not

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<v Speaker 2>welcome here. It is very disappointing that he can't just

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<v Speaker 2>say in simple words what John Howard or Bob Hawk

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<v Speaker 2>would easily have said. And I can tell you that

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<v Speaker 2>even labor politicians are shocked that Albin Easy could not

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<v Speaker 2>come out and say that anyone who supports terrorism isn't

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<v Speaker 2>welcome in our country, that it would fail the character

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<v Speaker 2>test requirement for a visa. Labor MPs are concerned. They

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<v Speaker 2>dismaye about Albenese's handling of this crucial issue that's fundamental

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<v Speaker 2>to our very value and democracy. They have failed to

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<v Speaker 2>understand why Albneazy didn't come out straight after the ASIO

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<v Speaker 2>Director General Mike Burgess's comments two Sundays ago, ten days

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<v Speaker 2>ago and clarify that actually no HAMAS supporters terrorst supporters

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<v Speaker 2>aren't welcome in Australia. The only explanation I can see

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<v Speaker 2>is that Hamas supporters are welcome in Australia, Like the

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<v Speaker 2>head of ASIO said himself.

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<v Speaker 10>If it's just rhetorical reupport and they don't have an

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<v Speaker 10>ideology or support for a violent extream as an ideology,

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<v Speaker 10>then that's not a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reality is Hamas sympathizers have already come to

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<v Speaker 2>Australia on visas issued by the Australian government. I show

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<v Speaker 2>that this had happened back in February. A twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>year old Palestinian had liked and shared pro Harmusk content

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<v Speaker 2>right after October seven, content that celebrated those terrorist attacks. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>he's no longer in Gaza. He's now in Melbourne on

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<v Speaker 2>an Albanesi government visa. Today the Opposition leader Peter Dutton

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<v Speaker 2>accused Albanesi of dodging thirty questions relating to what he

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<v Speaker 2>is now calling the Visas for Votes scheme.

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<v Speaker 11>Over the last two weeks, the Prime Minister has dodged

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<v Speaker 11>about thirty questions on the government's handling of people coming

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<v Speaker 11>from terrorist control Gaza since October seven. It's now clear

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<v Speaker 11>that by cutting corners and concocting the Visa for Votes scheme.

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<v Speaker 11>This government has put domestic political considerations ahead of national

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<v Speaker 11>security and Australians are now lis safe.

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<v Speaker 2>And not to get into too much detail about what

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<v Speaker 2>went on in Parliament, but they actually made Peter Dutton

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<v Speaker 2>remove the phrase of visa for votes. That's not even

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<v Speaker 2>allowed freedom of speech to call this visa for votes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not even allowed under the Labor government in parliament,

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<v Speaker 2>that is freedom of speech. Now Here were some of

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<v Speaker 2>the questions that the Prime Minister refuse to answer just today.

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<v Speaker 12>Will individuals currently in the terrorist controlled Garza war Zone

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<v Speaker 12>who have already been granted a visa by this government

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<v Speaker 12>be subject to face to face interviews or biometric checks

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<v Speaker 12>before they arrive in Australia. How many people from the

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<v Speaker 12>Gaza war zone has Qatar accepted?

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<v Speaker 13>I referred to the government's issuing of tourists visas to

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<v Speaker 13>nearly three thousand people from the terrorists controlled Gaza war Zone.

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<v Speaker 13>Can the Prime Minister provide details on any concerns raised

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<v Speaker 13>by the New South Wales State Police or the New

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<v Speaker 13>South Wales Government regarding this matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Albanezi calls all the questions about the visa process pointless noise,

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<v Speaker 2>and he lectured Dutton about national security.

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<v Speaker 9>National security is too important to be used as a

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<v Speaker 9>political football. Our national security is something that historically in

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<v Speaker 9>this place, in this place has been above the sort

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<v Speaker 9>of game playing and targeting that we've seen here. The

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<v Speaker 9>targeting of any group based upon hate is a bad thing,

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<v Speaker 9>whether that people of Jewish faith, people of Islamic faith.

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<v Speaker 9>And what they don't want also is conflict brought here.

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<v Speaker 9>They want Australa to play a constructive role.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that is an extraordinary remark that he doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>the conflict brought here when the Prime Minister is literally

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<v Speaker 2>handing out visas to thousands of people from a terrorist

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<v Speaker 2>hotspot without proper or in some cases, any security checks.

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<v Speaker 2>There are also live questions about whether Tony Burke gave

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<v Speaker 2>any ministerial or personal recommendations to overturn visa cancelations. His

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<v Speaker 2>offers simply won't answer the question. What's needed now is

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<v Speaker 2>a thorough review of all the visas issued to ensure

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<v Speaker 2>that recipients are genuine refugees and don't pose a security

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<v Speaker 2>risk to our country. It's not good enough just to

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<v Speaker 2>hope and pray a terror attack doesn't take place. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you, I've spoken to a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>current and former political and law enforcement figures about what's

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<v Speaker 2>unfolding here, what the government has done with this Ghazan

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<v Speaker 2>visa situation, and all of them that I've spoken to

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<v Speaker 2>are universally horrified. Albanezi is out of his depth. He

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<v Speaker 2>is risking national security and he's putting community safety on

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<v Speaker 2>the line. But this is what happens when you put

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<v Speaker 2>a radical pro Palestinian activist in charge of running the country.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's bring in tonight's pat on our Perth,

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<v Speaker 2>Mayre Basil Zemplus and National Senator Matt Canavan. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>you both. Matt. I'm just going to get your reaction

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<v Speaker 2>to what I've just been speaking about this gas and

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<v Speaker 2>visa process. It's been such a shambolic, chaotic and rushed process.

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<v Speaker 2>Law enforcement are horrified, labor and ps are dismayed that

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister can't even publicly say her must supporters

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't come to this country. What's your reaction, Matt, to

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<v Speaker 2>the past couple of weeks we've.

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<v Speaker 14>Seen Look, it just beggars belief, Shari.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, ever since we saw the ASO director admit

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<v Speaker 1>that well, if you just have some well I think

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<v Speaker 1>he turned rhetorical support for a terrorist organization, you can

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<v Speaker 1>still come to this country.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean, people here are gobsmack.

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<v Speaker 1>That this is this is actually the policy of an

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<v Speaker 1>elected Australian government here, as you say in Labor and Peace,

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<v Speaker 1>a gobsmack.

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<v Speaker 14>It defies all explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>The only explanation is that the Labor Party have become

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<v Speaker 1>so panicked at the electoral armourgeddon that some seem to

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<v Speaker 1>think might might be imposed on them an election in

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<v Speaker 1>Western Sydney because of a voting base sympathetic to the

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<v Speaker 1>Palestini Palestine issue, that they're willing to trade our nation's security,

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<v Speaker 1>our national security to protect their own seats. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>only explanation. So Peter Dutt's is absolutely right to call

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<v Speaker 1>it the visa for vote scheme. I can't believe that

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<v Speaker 1>has been ruled out of Parliament. I mean, when you

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<v Speaker 1>think of the other terms and abuse that is thrown

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<v Speaker 1>across the chamber, it shows how defense of the Labor

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<v Speaker 1>Party is. That we're probably getting close to the truth there.

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<v Speaker 1>The truth hurts, and maybe it is the truth that

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<v Speaker 1>they are handing out these visas and the hope that

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<v Speaker 1>they'll get votes in exchange. But we also, of course

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<v Speaker 1>we allso getting exchange a much less secure environment for

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<v Speaker 1>Australians here. It is completely beyond the pahail and it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that austrained people should reject.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is really concerning. I'll come back to this

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<v Speaker 2>a bit later in the show with Peter Jennings about ZIL.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you about the Democratic National Convention

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<v Speaker 2>Day two star started event. Bill Clinton, Oprah Winfrey, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think about this transformation, the remaking of Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris from someone that the left media and the US

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<v Speaker 2>the Democratic Party more broadly didn't even consider a particularly

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<v Speaker 2>competent vice president.

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<v Speaker 7>Sherry, I can see that you're quite triggered by the

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<v Speaker 7>events that are happening across at the DNC. And yes,

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<v Speaker 7>it has been a makeover, it's been a transformation. We

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<v Speaker 7>shouldn't forget that the United States is the home of

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<v Speaker 7>Hollywood and this is probably what they do best, and

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<v Speaker 7>they're throwing everything at it. I suppose those who aren't

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<v Speaker 7>sure about Kamala, and I know there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>those people who do think that suddenly what she used

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<v Speaker 7>to stand for.

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<v Speaker 14>She doesn't anymore.

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<v Speaker 7>How she was represented, She's not represented as they can

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<v Speaker 7>console themselves with. It's very difficult to be inauthentic for

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<v Speaker 7>too long before you get found out, and so it's

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<v Speaker 7>a very dangerous game. Now if she's not any of

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<v Speaker 7>these things that they are presenting her as, she will

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<v Speaker 7>get found out. But will that happen before the election?

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<v Speaker 7>That's the interesting question. What we do know is based

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<v Speaker 7>on the reaction, the feedback the show is the fact

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<v Speaker 7>that everyone's getting wrapped up in it. They definitely made

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<v Speaker 7>the right call changing their candidate for the next election.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no question. Politically they made the right call. But look,

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<v Speaker 2>what I care about mostly is foreign policy. And we

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<v Speaker 2>are seeing, like I said at the start of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>the most volatile environment globally since World War Two, And

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<v Speaker 2>we need to know what Kamala Harris is going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to know will she support Israel? Is she

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<v Speaker 2>going to come to Taiwan's defend? Where does she stand

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<v Speaker 2>on Ukraine? She hasn't been interrogated. Foreign policy has been

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<v Speaker 2>absent entirely from the DMC convention week.

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<v Speaker 7>That is, of course what the debates are for, right,

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<v Speaker 7>That's what those debates are for. That's what those opportunities

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<v Speaker 7>this is presented her way. Then when she has to

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<v Speaker 7>face the questions, and the media should be insisting that

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<v Speaker 7>she has to answer the questions, then it's harder.

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<v Speaker 14>To hide your true self.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's see then, we'll see if she does do

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<v Speaker 2>any tough interviews over the next few months. She hasn't yet.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Let's have a look at Environment Environment Minister

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<v Speaker 2>Tanya Plibasek. She's now said that she's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>release the advice that led to her blocking the one

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollar gold mine. This was the mind that was

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<v Speaker 2>all set to go ahead. The men's government in New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales was supporting it, State and federal departments had

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<v Speaker 2>signed off in it. Matt Canavan, she needs to release

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<v Speaker 2>this vice, surely.

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<v Speaker 14>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the people of the Orange Bathurst area, Blaney,

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<v Speaker 1>the smaller the town, small town close to the mind,

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<v Speaker 1>they deserve to see it's their government. It's their government's

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<v Speaker 1>made this decision that's imposed an enormous cost on this

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<v Speaker 1>town and community. We've seen in the media today that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's been people out there who bought businesses

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<v Speaker 1>in Blaney, a butcher's shop on the expectations we go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, it had its approvals, and fact their

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<v Speaker 1>livelihood's destroyed. Now, of course there are also eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>jobs that were going to be created might be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Those people deserve a government to be upfront and transparent

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<v Speaker 1>with them. I mean, what is about what is about

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<v Speaker 1>this advice? Is it some secret business when I'm allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to see, why can't it just be simply explained to

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian people. And I go back again to the

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<v Speaker 1>same point I made earlier that the fact that government's

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<v Speaker 1>not being transparent about this, the fact they're not answering questions,

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<v Speaker 1>has to lead you to the position that in fact

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<v Speaker 1>this decision is indefensible and it's probably being made in

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<v Speaker 1>consideration of the government's other issue they've got with the

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<v Speaker 1>Greens and Greens preferences, and so they're making it on

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<v Speaker 1>that basis, not on the national interest, not on the

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<v Speaker 1>interest of those people in these country towns are struggling

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<v Speaker 1>and want something to happen. And keep in mind also

0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.919
<v Speaker 1>our economy overall is stuttering now with the I all

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<v Speaker 1>price crashing. We need these types of projects and people

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<v Speaker 1>need a government that focuses on our economy and our prosperity,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're not getting that right now. The government really

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<v Speaker 1>has no economic or productivity agenda right now except seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>imposing more and more red tape on businesses that want

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<v Speaker 1>to create jobs in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the uncertainty, it's the unreliability around business investment

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<v Speaker 2>that is such a big issue here Basil. The minor

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<v Speaker 2>Regious Resources has had to write down the value of

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<v Speaker 2>the gold mine by one hundred and ninety two million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars and the mining company is now reportedly considering legal action,

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<v Speaker 2>but it looks like they're not going to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to go ahead at all.

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<v Speaker 7>As we well know over here in the West, when

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<v Speaker 7>mining does well, Western Australia does well, Australia.

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<v Speaker 14>Certainly does well.

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<v Speaker 7>This is a decision that's bad for the economy, it's

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<v Speaker 7>bad for jobs, and it's not a decision that can

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<v Speaker 7>be stacked up and the Minister really does have to

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<v Speaker 7>come clean and explain why. We know, for example, as

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<v Speaker 7>you mentioned State Planning, it gets a tick. Her own department,

0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:17.359
<v Speaker 7>it seems gave it a tick, and we know the

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<v Speaker 7>local Aboriginal Land Council also gave it a tick. So

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<v Speaker 7>we need to know why has this been knocked back?

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<v Speaker 7>Because otherwise what else is going to be knocked back?

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<v Speaker 7>It needs to be transparent. We need answers and the

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<v Speaker 7>country needs these projects approved.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Major news today the ABC managing director David Anderson said

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<v Speaker 2>publicly that he was going to leave the ABC. This

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<v Speaker 2>is just a year into his second five year term,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Canavan. There's a lot of speculation that it could

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<v Speaker 2>be linked to the incoming chair, Kim Williams, who has

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<v Speaker 2>been described as being quite interventionist. What do you what

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<v Speaker 2>are you hearing?

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<v Speaker 5>Look?

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<v Speaker 1>Who would know? Who would know? I'm not hearing anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only just been announced today. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the sad thing is that I'm not going to hold

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<v Speaker 1>my breath to expect any major change at the ABC.

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<v Speaker 1>There needs to be changed, I mean if it's hardly.

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<v Speaker 14>A well run organization now.

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<v Speaker 1>But to give David his jew, he did dismiss that

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<v Speaker 1>journalist who was saying rapidly terrible things about the Israel conflict,

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<v Speaker 1>adding to tension, something a journalist employed by national broadcaster

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<v Speaker 1>should not do. He obviously copped a lot of backlash

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<v Speaker 1>to that, so that might play a role from the staff, you.

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<v Speaker 14>Know, and look, maybe good luck to Kim Williams.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems to be a staff run collective over there,

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<v Speaker 1>and really it should be an organization run for the

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<v Speaker 1>interest of the whole nation. So maybe Kim can do

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<v Speaker 1>something if he's in the diventions. But as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't be holding my breath. I won't be switching

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<v Speaker 1>the dial to the ABC anytimes.

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<v Speaker 14>Keep it on the Sky.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, I haven't watched the ABC in I don't

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<v Speaker 2>no years. It's always on Sky News or Fox News Basil. Look,

0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:08.399
<v Speaker 2>Kim Williams has said he was going to try and

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<v Speaker 2>restore some balance to the ABC. He said that before

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<v Speaker 2>he started. There are I am hearing a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>rumblings that it is actually getting quite hands on things

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<v Speaker 2>like the ABC website homepage. So you know, we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>just how far he goes. But I think you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when Matt just said it is a staff collective, that

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<v Speaker 2>is what we've seen that no chairs, managing directors or

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<v Speaker 2>anyone on the board has ever been able to actually

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<v Speaker 2>have an impact when it comes to having an unbiased

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<v Speaker 2>and objective, not even group of journalists just their output.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, something has changed, obviously, when a decision like this

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<v Speaker 7>is a career decision like this, a five year contract

0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:50.760
<v Speaker 7>is put on your table, you do consider where will

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<v Speaker 7>I be over the course of that contract. And unless

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<v Speaker 7>there's been some family circumstances change, which doesn't appear to

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<v Speaker 7>be the case, we know the MD has had a

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<v Speaker 7>change of or a change of mind or a change

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<v Speaker 7>of direction coming from above.

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<v Speaker 14>So that may well be a good thing.

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<v Speaker 7>That might be what many people around Australia have been

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:13.119
<v Speaker 7>calling for for a long time. There will be a

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<v Speaker 7>new MD to carry out the new chair's vision. Let's

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<v Speaker 7>see what happens, shall we?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Basil zamplus Matt Canavan. Great to see you

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<v Speaker 2>both as always on a Thursday. Now, the British New

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<v Speaker 2>Labor government has appointed one of its top security bureaucrats

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<v Speaker 2>to review the AUCUST partnership. The Nightly reports that Sir

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen Lovegrove will pour over the progress and benefits of

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<v Speaker 2>UCUS and report to the government in October. Now, this

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<v Speaker 2>ORCUS partnership between the US, the UK and Australia is

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<v Speaker 2>critical to our national security and as the American Congressman

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<v Speaker 2>Michael McColl told me last week, it is the single

0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 2>biggest deterrent against China right now. Former Prime Minister Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Morrison orchestrated the Orchest deal and when he learned that

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.719
<v Speaker 2>it was Stephen Lovegrove who was going to lead this review,

0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:08.400
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't concerned in the slightest. Now, Scott Morrison was traveling,

0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:10.919
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't be on this show tonight, but he told

0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:14.159
<v Speaker 2>me the review of Orcus by Stephen Lovegrove is a

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<v Speaker 2>welcome development and provides the opportunity for a refreshed UK

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<v Speaker 2>commitment to Orcus from the Starmer government. He said, Stephen

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 2>was in the room with Boris, President Biden and I

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:30.640
<v Speaker 2>when we founded Orcus, and was instrumental in bringing Orcus

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<v Speaker 2>into being. No one other than Boris would have a

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<v Speaker 2>better understanding of the ambitions, purpose and need for Orcus

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK than Stephen.

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<v Speaker 8>He said.

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<v Speaker 2>I look forward to seeing his report and commend the

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Starmer government for appointing him to this important task. And

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:50.440
<v Speaker 2>while Scott Morrison couldn't be on the show tonight, he

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:53.360
<v Speaker 2>will be on my program early next week to discuss

0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:56.480
<v Speaker 2>this and other topics. But for now, let's bring in

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<v Speaker 2>Strategic Analysis. Australia Director Peter Jennings. Great to see you again.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would Kiir Starma be ordering a review into Orcus.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, It's a new government and I guess he needs

0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 15>to persuade that huge backbench of MPs that Labour now

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 15>has keeping them in government that this is something that's

0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 15>going to work from a labor perspective as well. I

0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:26.880
<v Speaker 15>agree with Scott Morrison's take. I think that I would

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:29.840
<v Speaker 15>be astonished if anything negative came out of the review.

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<v Speaker 15>And importantly, for AUCUST to work, each of the three

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 15>countries that are partners Shari need to get something from it.

0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 15>It's not about a charitable act towards strengthening Australia's defense.

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<v Speaker 14>What the British get is a.

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<v Speaker 15>Strengthened defense industry and will get benefit from that. What

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<v Speaker 15>the Americans get is a stronger ally in the Endo Pacific.

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<v Speaker 15>So each of the three countries needs to get a

0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:01.920
<v Speaker 15>benefit and I'm sure this review will put the case

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<v Speaker 15>to Keir Starmer that the UK is a strong beneficiary

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<v Speaker 15>from UCAS as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter, I'd like to ask you about the gas and

0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:15.399
<v Speaker 2>visa issue now, Tony Burke, the Minister has categorically said

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.560
<v Speaker 2>that no government in its right mind would send people

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 2>back to Gaza. Now the Palestinians are here on visitor visas,

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 2>they have an expiration date, So what do you expect

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<v Speaker 2>will happen when that time is up in the near future.

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<v Speaker 15>I think it's very clear Shari. Those visitor visas last

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:42.439
<v Speaker 15>for twelve months, and so if we can assume, and

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 15>we know that a number of them were being issued

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<v Speaker 15>from mid October on that right now there will be

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<v Speaker 15>people with those visas who will be applying for asylum

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<v Speaker 15>status in Australia in order to remain permanently. And the

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:04.199
<v Speaker 15>thing about asylum status, as I understand it, is a

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:07.240
<v Speaker 15>minister has to make that authorization. They have to authorize

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:10.640
<v Speaker 15>that a person can make an application for that. And

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 15>so what we've seen in the last fortnight is the

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 15>government essentially trying to push this problem onto firstly the

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 15>intelligence agencies, get Mike Burgess in front of the cameras,

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 15>he'll look after it for as then saying that there

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<v Speaker 15>is a process which is going to happen somehow completely

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 15>removed from any politician taking responsibility for allowing those people in.

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<v Speaker 15>But now we are, in coming months ago to have

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<v Speaker 15>a constant stream of the thirteen hundred that are in Australia,

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<v Speaker 15>I believe applying for asylum status and that is going

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<v Speaker 15>to land directly on the desk of the Immigration Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean to laugh then, when you were making

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 2>a serious point about Mike Burgess assuring Australians that he

0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 2>was taking care of security. I mean there's been a

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 2>loss of confidence in ASIO after they said the people

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.880
<v Speaker 2>with rhetorical support for hermus will welcome into the country.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that interview has proved problematic. But before

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:13.639
<v Speaker 2>you get into that, Pete, I want to ask you

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 2>as well. We've just seen the Democratic National Convention rolling

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<v Speaker 2>out at the moment, Kamala Harris being represented to the

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 2>American public as though she were a brand new candidate,

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 2>not the current VP, as part of the current Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think a Kamala Harris presidency would look like.

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<v Speaker 15>I think if Kamala Harris becomes president, she's going to

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 15>become the American Jasinda Ardern. She's going to be very

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 15>focused on performative, theatrical politics of a woke, progressive variety,

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 15>and that's going to be an unusual thing to see

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 15>from the White House, even after having Obama and Biden

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 15>in the chair for so many years. How is it

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 15>going to be possible for her to do that at

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 15>the same time as she's responsible for, for example, modernizing

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 15>America's nuclear weapons arsenal, which is something that is happening

0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 15>right now, or for maintaining de terrence not just against Russia,

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 15>but Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran because those four

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 15>countries are kind of sequencing their behavior together. I think

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 15>this is going to be a very challenging.

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 14>Span for.

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 15>A President Harris to try and cover from on the

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 15>one hand, playing to the pro Palestinian student crowds occupying

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 15>university campuses as they did, through to playing that serious

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 15>role of being that the global national security guardian, which

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 15>only the United States can do. But certainly at the moment,

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 15>I think the model is Jsinda Radin. That's what I

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 15>see Kamala looking like in terms of how she's presenting

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 15>herself in the run up to the president election.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we we'll see if she does become subject to

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 2>any scrutiny regarding her policies. Peter Jennings, always wonderful to

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:10.719
<v Speaker 2>have you on the show. Thank you really appreciate it.

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Now still coming up in the program. Text messages highlight

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 2>the involvement of the so called mean girls Pennywong and

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Katie Gallagher in the Brittany Higgins saga. Also, the former

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 2>editor in chief of The Age slams The New York

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Times over its reporter leaking the names of hundreds of Jews.

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Michael Gwenda will join me to discuss this shameful saga

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>that's coming up after this quick break. Welcome back.

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 10>Well.

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>The New York Times is meant to be one of

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 2>the world's most trusted newspapers, and yet one of their

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 2>journalists was part of a private WhatsApp group of six

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 2>hundred Australian Jews. This journalist downloaded the private chats and

0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>leaked them to another individual and it leaked from their

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 2>leading to horrific threats and anti Semitic attacks, and the

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 2>private information of Australian Jews private individuals being leaked and disseminated.

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 2>The former editor in chief of The Age newspaper, Michael Gwenda,

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 2>writes in The Australian that the ethical foundations of journalism

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 2>in liberal democracies like Australia have been reduced to rubble

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 2>and I'm pleased to say, Michael joins me. Now, Michael,

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for your time. Look, firstly, can

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>you explain it it be with you? How did it

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 2>come to light that a New York Times journalist had

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 2>originally leaked the information about hundreds of Australian Jews.

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 5>Well, I think what happened was that.

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 16>After the doc sne happened the group, which happened some

0:31:53.280 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 16>time ago, months ago. Now people on that WhatsApp obviously

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 16>realized that their information, their chats had been somehow accessed

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 16>by someone and leaked and had gone and had gone

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 16>to people who were frankly viciously. They call themselves pro Palestinian,

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 16>but they're vicious people who have basically, over a long

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 16>period of time, six months or longer, attacked some of

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 16>these Jewish people online, and many of them have tens

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 16>of thousands of followers. Now they realized, these people realized

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 16>that somehow their chats had been leaked to these people,

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:50.080
<v Speaker 16>including people like Clementine Ford for instance, and they thought, well,

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 16>they couldn't believe that this has been done. It could

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 16>only have been someone who was on part of the

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 16>chat group that had done that. I think it took

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 16>them some time. I don't know how they discovered who

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 16>it was, but they eventually did discover well. I think

0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 16>the group themselves had real suspicions that it was this

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 16>person that had eleeked it. But the Wall Street Journal,

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 16>to their great credit, did the journalistic examination of what

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 16>had gone on, found out who it was and published

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 16>that really fine story a few days ago of what

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 16>had actually taken place. That it was a New York

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 16>Times journalist based in Melbourne. I'm not sure she's still

0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 16>here because she writes she writes the europe Newsletter.

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 5>How she does that from.

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 16>Melbourne, I don't know, but they discovered that, they published

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 16>the story. It was a good story. But I think,

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 16>to the great shame of Australian journalism, this story had

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 16>to be done by the Wall Street Journal rather than

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 16>one of the newspapers here in Australia.

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Very good point. Now, Michael, you've written a letter to

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 2>the New York Times leadership. In it, you know, you

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:14.919
<v Speaker 2>ask what responsibility they've taken for one of their reporters,

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, being involved in this leaking of the information

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:22.240
<v Speaker 2>that led to so many hundreds of Jews being harmed.

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Do you think they have taken enough responsibility. They haven't

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 2>even really reported on this at all.

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 5>Now they've taken no responsibility.

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 16>In my view, I think it's I think it's I

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 16>don't understand the standard, except in terms of this is

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:44.719
<v Speaker 16>something that they think happened far away in Australia and

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 16>that they can basically ignore it.

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 5>I think that's how they're behaving.

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:52.319
<v Speaker 16>I thought to myself, if this had happened to say,

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 16>a group of six hundred American Jews, that their information

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 16>had been lead in this way by a New York

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 16>Times reporter, could they have ignored the story the way

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 16>they have.

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:07.360
<v Speaker 5>I doubt that they could have.

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:12.799
<v Speaker 16>But to me, this is just absolutely an example of

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 16>journalistic cowardice. I wrote to them, I said, you know

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 16>you pride yourself on being fearless in your reporting. You

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 16>also pride yourself and have over many years, been absolutely

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 16>committed to when you make mistakes, revealing the mistakes that

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 16>your journalists have made.

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 5>Examining them, telling your readers about.

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 16>Them, telling your readers what you're going to do to

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 16>make sure it doesn't happen again.

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 5>They have not done anything like that in this case.

0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 16>I think it's I think it's a sign for me

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:53.359
<v Speaker 16>it's a sign of where journalism is at, especially I've

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:56.800
<v Speaker 16>got to say, in the liberal media. It's a sign

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 16>of where which I was part of for my whole

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 16>journalistic life. It's a sign of where we've ended up.

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, yes, I mean, you know you look far too

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 2>young for this, but I understand you spent five decades

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 2>at the Age you were the editor in chief, and

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 2>yet you're writing about anti semitism has appeared in the Australian.

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 2>What does that tell you about, as you call it,

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:22.280
<v Speaker 2>the liberal media in this country.

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 5>Well, I'll tell you one thing.

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 16>It tells me that the Age and papers like the Age,

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:32.800
<v Speaker 16>and I think this is probably true about the ABC

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:39.839
<v Speaker 16>as well, that the executive producers, the news directors, the

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 16>editors have lost control of their newspapers and their television

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 16>stations and then news outfits. I think that we've reached

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:57.240
<v Speaker 16>a point now where editors, I feel like this has happened.

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:02.720
<v Speaker 16>Editors are really captive of their staff, and I think

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:05.800
<v Speaker 16>the truth is that there are many people on papers

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 16>like the Age of Sidney Morning Herald that would be

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 16>and have staff that would be appalled if I was

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 16>allowed to write for them.

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.879
<v Speaker 5>I think that's the situation we're in at the.

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Moment, and shame on them because anyone, any media outlet,

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:25.360
<v Speaker 2>should be honored to have your work being published. Michael,

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 2>thank you for your courage and speaking out on this

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 2>issue and on the media who have been hostile in

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:36.319
<v Speaker 2>covering the antisemitism crisis. I just don't understand how the

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 2>ABC has failed to comprehensively cover what's been going on

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 2>in our country. It's unprecedented in Australia at the levels

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 2>of antisemitism. Public broadcaster has barely touched the issue. Michael

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Gwenda really appreciate your time. Thank you. Now up next,

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 2>when families can't afford to buy a chicken, you know,

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 2>the cost of living crisis is coming home to roost.

0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Will cover that in a moment. Plus how long will

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump have to remain behind bulletproof glass before he

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.880
<v Speaker 2>can have a rally out in the open. I'm going

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 2>to discuss that with my panel. Next, welcome back, Well,

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:17.239
<v Speaker 2>let's bring you now Sky News contributor Gary Hardgrave and

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:22.240
<v Speaker 2>llenp Senator James McGrath. Welcome to you both, gentlemen. Let's

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:25.239
<v Speaker 2>turn to the cost of chicken. Now, you know the

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 2>cost of living crisis is biting hard when sales of

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:32.839
<v Speaker 2>chicken fall dramatically. This is meant to be and I

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:34.840
<v Speaker 2>have to say don't eat chicken myself, but this is

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:39.280
<v Speaker 2>meant to be the cheapest and most popular protein for Australians.

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 2>This is according to the ODS newspaper. Gary. You know,

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of grocery products that people just can't

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 2>afford to buy anymore.

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 14>You know, Shari.

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:54.359
<v Speaker 17>If you don't eat it and I don't eat it,

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:59.000
<v Speaker 17>and Australians on average eat fifty kilos of chicken a year,

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 17>there must be some people doing a lot of work

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:02.279
<v Speaker 17>for you and me.

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 14>Look, it's very rare.

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Why don't you eat chicken? Gary, what's your excuse?

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 14>It's not my first choice.

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 17>I'd much rather have a good piece of red meat

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 17>and some great seafood.

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:16.320
<v Speaker 14>So there you go. It's pretty simple.

0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 17>But look, chicken is the mainstay for a lot of people,

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 17>and yet the cost of.

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:23.880
<v Speaker 14>Living crisis is coming home. But the problem, the problem.

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:27.279
<v Speaker 17>Here is that McDonald's, KFC and the people that cook

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:30.360
<v Speaker 17>chickens are not affording the cost of the electricity.

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 14>That's the problem, Charri.

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 17>And this is all the big retailers, all the big

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:39.760
<v Speaker 17>commercial fast food stores. Everybody is feeling the pressure because

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 17>labor is so hell bent on driving up the cost

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:42.839
<v Speaker 17>of electricity.

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:45.279
<v Speaker 14>So yep, going to come home to rooster.

0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:48.600
<v Speaker 2>As you say, yeah, James, I think there's a section

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 2>of the population that are really struggling just to put

0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:54.759
<v Speaker 2>food on the table, you know, kind of close to

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 2>poverty during this cost of living crisis. But then there's

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 2>another whole section of Australians who were just actually cutting

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 2>back on a lot of grocery items because inflation has

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 2>pushed up the price of just common things and it's

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:09.399
<v Speaker 2>not going back down.

0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 10>Food prices under labor have gone up eleven percent in

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 10>the last two years. This country isn't a cost of

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 10>living crisis. Now, I love chicken and I'll take your

0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 10>fifty and fifty kilos here, go for it. I die

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:30.760
<v Speaker 10>genuinely adore KFC. But seriously, there are families out there

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 10>their treat is on a Friday night is to get KFC.

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 10>And if people can't afford KFC, it shows there is

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 10>a real problem in Australia and that is because we've

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:44.279
<v Speaker 10>got a labor government and as Gary pointed out, they're

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 10>driving up the power of the cost of power. Sorry,

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 10>they're driving up the cost of living just generally with

0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 10>this insurance, rent, mortgage and whatever. People are cutting back

0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:54.720
<v Speaker 10>and it's because of Alban exactly.

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, Donald Trump held his first outdoor campaign rally

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:03.240
<v Speaker 2>since the assassination attempt. He had to do it behind

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:04.920
<v Speaker 2>bulletproof glass.

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 14>Have a look that charade that they have going on.

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 4>They mentioned my name I think two hundred and seventy

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 4>one times. They mentioned the economy like twelve times. They

0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:16.440
<v Speaker 4>mentioned the border.

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:17.240
<v Speaker 14>Maybe none.

0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:21.240
<v Speaker 4>They don't talk about the border. Our Great Borders doesn't

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:24.120
<v Speaker 4>talk about the border. But they mentioned me more than

0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 4>any other category. I'm now a category that had me

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:30.280
<v Speaker 4>down today as a category. That's all they talk about Trump.

0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:35.400
<v Speaker 4>We've driven him crazy. They have Trump derangement syndrome and Gary.

0:41:35.440 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Of course he was speaking there about the DNC, but

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 2>it's true their focus was more Trump than any policies.

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 17>Yeah, because Trump is the guy that's standing between the

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 17>insanity of more of this green left climate corn internationally

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:55.560
<v Speaker 17>and getting ourselves back on track. And frankly, Australians will

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:59.359
<v Speaker 17>be better off if Donald Trump can completely pierce this

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 17>mad dream about renewables being able to give us enough

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:07.320
<v Speaker 17>electricity to cook that Kentucky fried chicken that James seems

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 17>to like so much. Look, you know, Donald Trump has

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:13.280
<v Speaker 17>got to get out there, and if he's taking any

0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:17.480
<v Speaker 17>sort of advice from security people to be behind plexiglass,

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:19.880
<v Speaker 17>I tell you one thing it does do is emphasizes

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 17>the fact that he is a big threat to the

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:25.799
<v Speaker 17>elites and to the establishment all around the world, and

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.360
<v Speaker 17>people are going to be able to get him. This

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<v Speaker 17>bloke will broke her a difference if he can be elected.

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<v Speaker 17>So keep him safe, keep him bottled up. Well I

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<v Speaker 17>don't think he can keep him bottled up, But keep

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<v Speaker 17>him on track and make us make America and the

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<v Speaker 17>rest of the world great again.

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<v Speaker 2>I say now, I want to end our conversation with

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 2>this amazing eleven year old Australian girl. She survived a

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<v Speaker 2>horrific stabbing attack in London. She's spoken to the Daily

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<v Speaker 2>Telegraph for the first time. Have a quick look.

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<v Speaker 18>The police that have been looking after me. They drove

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<v Speaker 18>me everywhere and they've just been so lockfilly. Some of

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.880
<v Speaker 18>them bonded with me really fast and I felt safe.

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<v Speaker 18>My friend Chris and Carly they came with us to

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<v Speaker 18>Taylor swift for work for work and they had a

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:15.920
<v Speaker 18>great time, but they also made me feel.

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<v Speaker 2>More safe, James, She's incredible. But how is it that girls,

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<v Speaker 2>that women are being stabbed, that the knife attacks in

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<v Speaker 2>the UK. It's just next level.

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<v Speaker 10>It's next level in the UK. But also here the

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<v Speaker 10>violence against women and girls in Australia. But what is

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<v Speaker 10>just brilliant about this young Australian is what her mum said,

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<v Speaker 10>that nothing will stop her. And I think the future

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<v Speaker 10>is bright in Australia. We've got people like Layla who've

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<v Speaker 10>gone through a horrific stabbing incident, attempted murder in the UK,

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<v Speaker 10>and you just look at it now and go, oh

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<v Speaker 10>my goodness, adults, look at this person, stop whinging, stop

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<v Speaker 10>being silks, look at this young Australian and just get

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<v Speaker 10>on with.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Beautiful story, beautiful girl. Gary Hargrave, James McGrath, Great to

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<v Speaker 2>see you both tonight. Now after the break, Just how

0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:12.719
<v Speaker 2>involved were the so called mean girls Katie Gallagher and

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<v Speaker 2>Penny Wong in the Britney Higgins scandal. Well, some of

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<v Speaker 2>their own text messages have come to light. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to look at it with Chris Merritt, after the break.

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<v Speaker 2>Senior Albanesi government ministers Penny Wong and Katie Gallagher have

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<v Speaker 2>long denied they had anything to do with weaponizing Brittney

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<v Speaker 2>Higgins rape allegations against the Morrison government politically, but new

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<v Speaker 2>text messages shed light on their involvement in the saga.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been tended in court in the defamation suit that

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<v Speaker 2>Linda Reynolds is pursuing against Higgins and her husband David Scharaz.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Finance Minister Katie Gallagher texted the journalists who break

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<v Speaker 2>the story, Sam Maiden, to discuss parts of it. She

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<v Speaker 2>said she saw the police before the first April though

0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 2>she's meaning brit So texting about the detail of the

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<v Speaker 2>case and Pennywog also sent text messages to Maiden as

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<v Speaker 2>you can see on the screen as well. Let's bring

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<v Speaker 2>in now legal affairs expert and the vice president of

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<v Speaker 2>the Rule of Law Institute, Chris Merritt. Chris, thanks great

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 2>to see you again. Look what do you think these

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<v Speaker 2>messages show about Pennywog and Katie Gallagher's involvement in pushing

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<v Speaker 2>the story along from a political perspective.

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<v Speaker 19>Look, it'll be up to justice title hopefully In his

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<v Speaker 19>judgment to put together a timeline which will hopefully spell

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<v Speaker 19>out a bit more detail about who knew what and when.

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<v Speaker 19>But on the face of things, it looks as though

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<v Speaker 19>this is in line with the finding in the earlier

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<v Speaker 19>defamation case in the Federal Court, where Justice Michael Lee

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<v Speaker 19>said this must be the only cover up where the

0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 19>party accused of covering up wanted to call the police.

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<v Speaker 19>So the timing is crucial on all this who knew

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<v Speaker 19>what and when? And the big concern, however, is this

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<v Speaker 19>Labor is not a party to this. This is a

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<v Speaker 19>defamation case. There's a risk that we might never get

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<v Speaker 19>to the bottom of this, that this defamation case might

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<v Speaker 19>not get to the bottom of it, which means the

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<v Speaker 19>National Anti Corruption Commission. This might fall to the Commission

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<v Speaker 19>to dig into and have a good look at. But

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<v Speaker 19>there are a few surprises in this week's proceedings, and

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<v Speaker 19>one of the biggest is that there now appears to

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<v Speaker 19>be two psychiatric reports on the harm that's said to

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<v Speaker 19>have been caused to Miss Higgins. One of the reports

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<v Speaker 19>says one hundred percent of the harm was caused by

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<v Speaker 19>the sexual assault that is said to have taken place,

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<v Speaker 19>and the other says only a only sixty percent, and

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<v Speaker 19>the rest was due to the mishandling of the sexual

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<v Speaker 19>assault by the government. Now how that came about is

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<v Speaker 19>also a matter that hopefully could still be referred to

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<v Speaker 19>the Anti Corruption Commission, But the judge didn't seem to

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<v Speaker 19>be that interested in this aspect of the affair. It

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 19>doesn't go to the question of defamation. That goes more

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<v Speaker 19>to the broader narrative of the payout to Miss Higgins,

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<v Speaker 19>so that we could finish up with a very unsatisfactory

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<v Speaker 19>outcome in this case. We might get a win or

0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 19>a loss in the defamation proceedings, but that could leave

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<v Speaker 19>a number of questions hanging that are very crucial to

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<v Speaker 19>the broader narrative and the public interest.

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<v Speaker 2>We also heard this week that Brittany Higgins won't be

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<v Speaker 2>giving evidence. She won't be defending herself.

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<v Speaker 3>If you like, is this unusual, Well, if you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to defend a mation case and not take the stand,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a very strange way to conduct a defense.

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<v Speaker 19>Let me put it that way. It denies Miss Reynolds's

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<v Speaker 19>counsel from the opportunity of cross examining and testing Miss

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 19>Higgins on the stand. We already know that mister Charraz

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 19>is not going to give evidence, so it's almost like

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 19>fighting someone who's not there. So the case will be

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<v Speaker 19>determined on the evidence that's come to light so far,

0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:39.399
<v Speaker 19>and some of that evidence. The text messages that came

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<v Speaker 19>out today this week are really quite surprising. They show

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<v Speaker 19>that Samantha Maiden, the News Limited journalist news dot com journalist,

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<v Speaker 19>actually chastised mister Sharraz at one stage and urged him

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<v Speaker 19>to stop conducting himself like some sort of agent out

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<v Speaker 19>of concern for the stress.

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<v Speaker 2>She was concerned about putting pressure on Higgins, no question,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Merritt were out of time. Great to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks everyone for your company this week. I'll see you Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's Paul Murray