Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show tonight. Labor MP's dismayed at Anthony
Speaker 2: Albanesi's call over garsen visas after a shocking parliamentary fortnite.
Speaker 2: Labour figures are alarmed that the Prime Minister couldn't even
Speaker 2: say her mus supporters aren't welcome in this country. More
Speaker 2: on that exclusive. In a moment, Former Prime Minister Scott
Speaker 2: Morrison responds to the news that the UK is reviewing
Speaker 2: the Orchest deal. I spoke with him exclusively today, plus
Speaker 2: text messages highlight the involvement of the so called mean
Speaker 2: girls Penny Wong and Katie Gallagher in the Britney Higgins saga.
Speaker 2: Legal affairs expert Chris Merritt will take us through the
Speaker 2: latest evidence and a scathing attack on The New York
Speaker 2: Times from the former editor in chief of The Age,
Speaker 2: Michael Gowenda. He'll join me live in the pro tonight
Speaker 2: to discuss the doxing scandal. But first we are witnessing
Speaker 2: at the DNC the shameless and audacious remaking of Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: The kings of showbiz and politics, Oprah and the Clintons
Speaker 2: are harnessing their power to transform Harris from an incompetent
Speaker 2: laughing stock to one of America's political greats. This is
Speaker 2: spin at its finest, a truly masterful transformation of an
Speaker 2: inept candidate. For here was Oprah and Bill Clinton propping
Speaker 2: up Kamala Harris. Today, Carmon sense tells you that Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris and Tim Wallas can give us decency.
Speaker 3: Let's all choose Karmala Harror.
Speaker 4: When Kamala Harris as president, every day will begin with you.
Speaker 5: You.
Speaker 2: You, you, the candidate utterly transformed from someone not even
Speaker 2: the left wing media thought was capable of becoming president.
Speaker 6: I think she was arguably Biden's worst political decision.
Speaker 5: They don't like her.
Speaker 2: There's lots of reasons they.
Speaker 5: Don't like her.
Speaker 7: Kamala Harris's approval rating is now at twenty eight percent,
Speaker 7: which is an historic low for any modern vice president.
Speaker 6: We're hearing it from mainstream media, one outlet after another,
Speaker 6: one league after another, that Kamala Harris is a worst
Speaker 6: vice president ever, the worst Polish distetition ever.
Speaker 2: And that was all when she was VP, when Biden
Speaker 2: was still intending to be the Democratic nominee. So how
Speaker 2: has this happened? Will Barack Obama's tacticians have reportedly become
Speaker 2: involved or even taken over Kamala Harris's presidential campaign. It's
Speaker 2: extraordinary that gloss, slogans, and the power of celebrity can
Speaker 2: transformed the perception of an individual to the point that
Speaker 2: she appears tough where she was weak, and intelligent where
Speaker 2: she was incompetent. The Wall Street Journal's editorial board says
Speaker 2: that Harris is no longer the vice president who failed
Speaker 2: to secure the border. She'll now be tough on illegal migration.
Speaker 2: She's no longer the veep who said Bidenomics is working
Speaker 2: while inflation reached a forty year high. She's now the
Speaker 2: candidate who will reduce your family's food bill by going
Speaker 2: after your grosser for price gouging. Her campaign suggests she's
Speaker 2: changed her views on all that, although she hasn't said
Speaker 2: why or even been asked. The Wall Street Journal says
Speaker 2: Americans are expected to take her expedient leap from the
Speaker 2: left to the center on faith. Well, if this spin works,
Speaker 2: and if Kamala Harris is elected president, she'll be the
Speaker 2: most radical left figure to command the Oval office. The
Speaker 2: prospect is alarming because the media are failing to interrogate
Speaker 2: her on what she actually stands for, on what her
Speaker 2: domestic all foreign policies are. And this is concerning at
Speaker 2: the most volatile period in global politics since the Second
Speaker 2: World War. We're seeing an ambitious China, an emboldened Iran,
Speaker 2: and an aggressive Russia, all of them forming closer alliances
Speaker 2: to challenge the West and threaten our peace. And what
Speaker 2: do we know of how Kamala Harris would lead America
Speaker 2: and the world through this troubled period, Well close to nothing.
Speaker 2: And the DNC, for all its glitz and showbiz, hasn't
Speaker 2: enlightened us in the slightest. There's an absence of substance
Speaker 2: and an abundance of Trump bashing. Now, it should be
Speaker 2: the simplest thing to say that terror supporters are not
Speaker 2: welcome in our country, but the Prime Minister just can't
Speaker 2: say it. He can't say that terror supporters aren't welcome
Speaker 2: in Australia. Liberal im P Julie and Lisa asked Albineasi
Speaker 2: this question twice today in Parliament. Have a look, Prime Minister.
Speaker 8: On October seven, Hamas terrorists went into small Israeli farming
Speaker 8: villages and a music festival where they filmed themselves gleefully
Speaker 8: murdering children, raping women and mutilating their victims, including after death.
Speaker 8: Thirteen hundred innocent people were gunned down and murdered for sport,
Speaker 8: and two hundred and fifty one hostages were forced at
Speaker 8: gunpoint into Hamas terror tunnels under Gaza. On return, thousands
Speaker 8: of people were dancing in the streets in celebration. Prime
Speaker 8: Minister did supporting Hamas passed the character test for an
Speaker 8: Australian visa a simple answer.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister just couldn't answer the question.
Speaker 9: One of the things that some of the Jewish community
Speaker 9: leaders have said to me in the wake of October
Speaker 9: seven is that they are precisely the sort of people
Speaker 9: who want to see peace and reconciliation with the Palestinians
Speaker 9: as well. There they were very close to where the
Speaker 9: border was, and to have them subjected to the horrific murder,
Speaker 9: rape and abuse that occurred, the kidnapping of people is
Speaker 9: horrific if it occurred to any human being.
Speaker 2: And the speaker wouldn't even take a point of order,
Speaker 2: presumably to point out that the Prime Minister wasn't answering
Speaker 2: the question. So Julian Lisa got up and asked it
Speaker 2: again very specifically.
Speaker 8: Prime minister does supporting Hamas past the character test for
Speaker 8: an Australian visa.
Speaker 2: Albin Easy would not answer well. After question time, Julian
Speaker 2: and Lisa told me, I don't understand why the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister cannot say what Australians expect a prime minister to say,
Speaker 2: that anyone who supports terrorist organizations like HAMAS is not
Speaker 2: welcome here. It is very disappointing that he can't just
Speaker 2: say in simple words what John Howard or Bob Hawk
Speaker 2: would easily have said. And I can tell you that
Speaker 2: even labor politicians are shocked that Albin Easy could not
Speaker 2: come out and say that anyone who supports terrorism isn't
Speaker 2: welcome in our country, that it would fail the character
Speaker 2: test requirement for a visa. Labor MPs are concerned. They
Speaker 2: dismaye about Albenese's handling of this crucial issue that's fundamental
Speaker 2: to our very value and democracy. They have failed to
Speaker 2: understand why Albneazy didn't come out straight after the ASIO
Speaker 2: Director General Mike Burgess's comments two Sundays ago, ten days
Speaker 2: ago and clarify that actually no HAMAS supporters terrorst supporters
Speaker 2: aren't welcome in Australia. The only explanation I can see
Speaker 2: is that Hamas supporters are welcome in Australia, Like the
Speaker 2: head of ASIO said himself.
Speaker 10: If it's just rhetorical reupport and they don't have an
Speaker 10: ideology or support for a violent extream as an ideology,
Speaker 10: then that's not a problem.
Speaker 2: And the reality is Hamas sympathizers have already come to
Speaker 2: Australia on visas issued by the Australian government. I show
Speaker 2: that this had happened back in February. A twenty one
Speaker 2: year old Palestinian had liked and shared pro Harmusk content
Speaker 2: right after October seven, content that celebrated those terrorist attacks. Well,
Speaker 2: he's no longer in Gaza. He's now in Melbourne on
Speaker 2: an Albanesi government visa. Today the Opposition leader Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: accused Albanesi of dodging thirty questions relating to what he
Speaker 2: is now calling the Visas for Votes scheme.
Speaker 11: Over the last two weeks, the Prime Minister has dodged
Speaker 11: about thirty questions on the government's handling of people coming
Speaker 11: from terrorist control Gaza since October seven. It's now clear
Speaker 11: that by cutting corners and concocting the Visa for Votes scheme.
Speaker 11: This government has put domestic political considerations ahead of national
Speaker 11: security and Australians are now lis safe.
Speaker 2: And not to get into too much detail about what
Speaker 2: went on in Parliament, but they actually made Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: remove the phrase of visa for votes. That's not even
Speaker 2: allowed freedom of speech to call this visa for votes,
Speaker 2: that's not even allowed under the Labor government in parliament,
Speaker 2: that is freedom of speech. Now Here were some of
Speaker 2: the questions that the Prime Minister refuse to answer just today.
Speaker 12: Will individuals currently in the terrorist controlled Garza war Zone
Speaker 12: who have already been granted a visa by this government
Speaker 12: be subject to face to face interviews or biometric checks
Speaker 12: before they arrive in Australia. How many people from the
Speaker 12: Gaza war zone has Qatar accepted?
Speaker 13: I referred to the government's issuing of tourists visas to
Speaker 13: nearly three thousand people from the terrorists controlled Gaza war Zone.
Speaker 13: Can the Prime Minister provide details on any concerns raised
Speaker 13: by the New South Wales State Police or the New
Speaker 13: South Wales Government regarding this matter.
Speaker 2: Albanezi calls all the questions about the visa process pointless noise,
Speaker 2: and he lectured Dutton about national security.
Speaker 9: National security is too important to be used as a
Speaker 9: political football. Our national security is something that historically in
Speaker 9: this place, in this place has been above the sort
Speaker 9: of game playing and targeting that we've seen here. The
Speaker 9: targeting of any group based upon hate is a bad thing,
Speaker 9: whether that people of Jewish faith, people of Islamic faith.
Speaker 9: And what they don't want also is conflict brought here.
Speaker 9: They want Australa to play a constructive role.
Speaker 2: Now that is an extraordinary remark that he doesn't want
Speaker 2: the conflict brought here when the Prime Minister is literally
Speaker 2: handing out visas to thousands of people from a terrorist
Speaker 2: hotspot without proper or in some cases, any security checks.
Speaker 2: There are also live questions about whether Tony Burke gave
Speaker 2: any ministerial or personal recommendations to overturn visa cancelations. His
Speaker 2: offers simply won't answer the question. What's needed now is
Speaker 2: a thorough review of all the visas issued to ensure
Speaker 2: that recipients are genuine refugees and don't pose a security
Speaker 2: risk to our country. It's not good enough just to
Speaker 2: hope and pray a terror attack doesn't take place. Now,
Speaker 2: let me tell you, I've spoken to a lot of
Speaker 2: current and former political and law enforcement figures about what's
Speaker 2: unfolding here, what the government has done with this Ghazan
Speaker 2: visa situation, and all of them that I've spoken to
Speaker 2: are universally horrified. Albanezi is out of his depth. He
Speaker 2: is risking national security and he's putting community safety on
Speaker 2: the line. But this is what happens when you put
Speaker 2: a radical pro Palestinian activist in charge of running the country.
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in tonight's pat on our Perth,
Speaker 2: Mayre Basil Zemplus and National Senator Matt Canavan. Welcome to
Speaker 2: you both. Matt. I'm just going to get your reaction
Speaker 2: to what I've just been speaking about this gas and
Speaker 2: visa process. It's been such a shambolic, chaotic and rushed process.
Speaker 2: Law enforcement are horrified, labor and ps are dismayed that
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister can't even publicly say her must supporters
Speaker 2: shouldn't come to this country. What's your reaction, Matt, to
Speaker 2: the past couple of weeks we've.
Speaker 14: Seen Look, it just beggars belief, Shari.
Speaker 1: I mean, ever since we saw the ASO director admit
Speaker 1: that well, if you just have some well I think
Speaker 1: he turned rhetorical support for a terrorist organization, you can
Speaker 1: still come to this country.
Speaker 14: I mean, people here are gobsmack.
Speaker 1: That this is this is actually the policy of an
Speaker 1: elected Australian government here, as you say in Labor and Peace,
Speaker 1: a gobsmack.
Speaker 14: It defies all explanation.
Speaker 1: The only explanation is that the Labor Party have become
Speaker 1: so panicked at the electoral armourgeddon that some seem to
Speaker 1: think might might be imposed on them an election in
Speaker 1: Western Sydney because of a voting base sympathetic to the
Speaker 1: Palestini Palestine issue, that they're willing to trade our nation's security,
Speaker 1: our national security to protect their own seats. It's the
Speaker 1: only explanation. So Peter Dutt's is absolutely right to call
Speaker 1: it the visa for vote scheme. I can't believe that
Speaker 1: has been ruled out of Parliament. I mean, when you
Speaker 1: think of the other terms and abuse that is thrown
Speaker 1: across the chamber, it shows how defense of the Labor
Speaker 1: Party is. That we're probably getting close to the truth there.
Speaker 1: The truth hurts, and maybe it is the truth that
Speaker 1: they are handing out these visas and the hope that
Speaker 1: they'll get votes in exchange. But we also, of course
Speaker 1: we allso getting exchange a much less secure environment for
Speaker 1: Australians here. It is completely beyond the pahail and it's
Speaker 1: something that austrained people should reject.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is really concerning. I'll come back to this
Speaker 2: a bit later in the show with Peter Jennings about ZIL.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the Democratic National Convention
Speaker 2: Day two star started event. Bill Clinton, Oprah Winfrey, what
Speaker 2: do you think about this transformation, the remaking of Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris from someone that the left media and the US
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party more broadly didn't even consider a particularly
Speaker 2: competent vice president.
Speaker 7: Sherry, I can see that you're quite triggered by the
Speaker 7: events that are happening across at the DNC. And yes,
Speaker 7: it has been a makeover, it's been a transformation. We
Speaker 7: shouldn't forget that the United States is the home of
Speaker 7: Hollywood and this is probably what they do best, and
Speaker 7: they're throwing everything at it. I suppose those who aren't
Speaker 7: sure about Kamala, and I know there's a lot of
Speaker 7: those people who do think that suddenly what she used
Speaker 7: to stand for.
Speaker 14: She doesn't anymore.
Speaker 7: How she was represented, She's not represented as they can
Speaker 7: console themselves with. It's very difficult to be inauthentic for
Speaker 7: too long before you get found out, and so it's
Speaker 7: a very dangerous game. Now if she's not any of
Speaker 7: these things that they are presenting her as, she will
Speaker 7: get found out. But will that happen before the election?
Speaker 7: That's the interesting question. What we do know is based
Speaker 7: on the reaction, the feedback the show is the fact
Speaker 7: that everyone's getting wrapped up in it. They definitely made
Speaker 7: the right call changing their candidate for the next election.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question. Politically they made the right call. But look,
Speaker 2: what I care about mostly is foreign policy. And we
Speaker 2: are seeing, like I said at the start of the show,
Speaker 2: the most volatile environment globally since World War Two, And
Speaker 2: we need to know what Kamala Harris is going to do.
Speaker 2: We need to know will she support Israel? Is she
Speaker 2: going to come to Taiwan's defend? Where does she stand
Speaker 2: on Ukraine? She hasn't been interrogated. Foreign policy has been
Speaker 2: absent entirely from the DMC convention week.
Speaker 7: That is, of course what the debates are for, right,
Speaker 7: That's what those debates are for. That's what those opportunities
Speaker 7: this is presented her way. Then when she has to
Speaker 7: face the questions, and the media should be insisting that
Speaker 7: she has to answer the questions, then it's harder.
Speaker 14: To hide your true self.
Speaker 2: So let's see then, we'll see if she does do
Speaker 2: any tough interviews over the next few months. She hasn't yet.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's have a look at Environment Environment Minister
Speaker 2: Tanya Plibasek. She's now said that she's not going to
Speaker 2: release the advice that led to her blocking the one
Speaker 2: billion dollar gold mine. This was the mind that was
Speaker 2: all set to go ahead. The men's government in New
Speaker 2: South Wales was supporting it, State and federal departments had
Speaker 2: signed off in it. Matt Canavan, she needs to release
Speaker 2: this vice, surely.
Speaker 14: Well.
Speaker 1: I think the people of the Orange Bathurst area, Blaney,
Speaker 1: the smaller the town, small town close to the mind,
Speaker 1: they deserve to see it's their government. It's their government's
Speaker 1: made this decision that's imposed an enormous cost on this
Speaker 1: town and community. We've seen in the media today that
Speaker 1: you know, there's been people out there who bought businesses
Speaker 1: in Blaney, a butcher's shop on the expectations we go ahead,
Speaker 1: as you said, it had its approvals, and fact their
Speaker 1: livelihood's destroyed. Now, of course there are also eight hundred
Speaker 1: jobs that were going to be created might be there.
Speaker 1: Those people deserve a government to be upfront and transparent
Speaker 1: with them. I mean, what is about what is about
Speaker 1: this advice? Is it some secret business when I'm allowed
Speaker 1: to see, why can't it just be simply explained to
Speaker 1: the Australian people. And I go back again to the
Speaker 1: same point I made earlier that the fact that government's
Speaker 1: not being transparent about this, the fact they're not answering questions,
Speaker 1: has to lead you to the position that in fact
Speaker 1: this decision is indefensible and it's probably being made in
Speaker 1: consideration of the government's other issue they've got with the
Speaker 1: Greens and Greens preferences, and so they're making it on
Speaker 1: that basis, not on the national interest, not on the
Speaker 1: interest of those people in these country towns are struggling
Speaker 1: and want something to happen. And keep in mind also
Speaker 1: our economy overall is stuttering now with the I all
Speaker 1: price crashing. We need these types of projects and people
Speaker 1: need a government that focuses on our economy and our prosperity,
Speaker 1: and we're not getting that right now. The government really
Speaker 1: has no economic or productivity agenda right now except seemingly
Speaker 1: imposing more and more red tape on businesses that want
Speaker 1: to create jobs in this country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the uncertainty, it's the unreliability around business investment
Speaker 2: that is such a big issue here Basil. The minor
Speaker 2: Regious Resources has had to write down the value of
Speaker 2: the gold mine by one hundred and ninety two million
Speaker 2: dollars and the mining company is now reportedly considering legal action,
Speaker 2: but it looks like they're not going to be able
Speaker 2: to go ahead at all.
Speaker 7: As we well know over here in the West, when
Speaker 7: mining does well, Western Australia does well, Australia.
Speaker 14: Certainly does well.
Speaker 7: This is a decision that's bad for the economy, it's
Speaker 7: bad for jobs, and it's not a decision that can
Speaker 7: be stacked up and the Minister really does have to
Speaker 7: come clean and explain why. We know, for example, as
Speaker 7: you mentioned State Planning, it gets a tick. Her own department,
Speaker 7: it seems gave it a tick, and we know the
Speaker 7: local Aboriginal Land Council also gave it a tick. So
Speaker 7: we need to know why has this been knocked back?
Speaker 7: Because otherwise what else is going to be knocked back?
Speaker 7: It needs to be transparent. We need answers and the
Speaker 7: country needs these projects approved.
Speaker 2: All right, that's a good point.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: Major news today the ABC managing director David Anderson said
Speaker 2: publicly that he was going to leave the ABC. This
Speaker 2: is just a year into his second five year term,
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan. There's a lot of speculation that it could
Speaker 2: be linked to the incoming chair, Kim Williams, who has
Speaker 2: been described as being quite interventionist. What do you what
Speaker 2: are you hearing?
Speaker 5: Look?
Speaker 1: Who would know? Who would know? I'm not hearing anything.
Speaker 1: It's only just been announced today. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the sad thing is that I'm not going to hold
Speaker 1: my breath to expect any major change at the ABC.
Speaker 1: There needs to be changed, I mean if it's hardly.
Speaker 14: A well run organization now.
Speaker 1: But to give David his jew, he did dismiss that
Speaker 1: journalist who was saying rapidly terrible things about the Israel conflict,
Speaker 1: adding to tension, something a journalist employed by national broadcaster
Speaker 1: should not do. He obviously copped a lot of backlash
Speaker 1: to that, so that might play a role from the staff, you.
Speaker 14: Know, and look, maybe good luck to Kim Williams.
Speaker 1: It seems to be a staff run collective over there,
Speaker 1: and really it should be an organization run for the
Speaker 1: interest of the whole nation. So maybe Kim can do
Speaker 1: something if he's in the diventions. But as I said,
Speaker 1: I won't be holding my breath. I won't be switching
Speaker 1: the dial to the ABC anytimes.
Speaker 14: Keep it on the Sky.
Speaker 2: And yes, I haven't watched the ABC in I don't
Speaker 2: no years. It's always on Sky News or Fox News Basil. Look,
Speaker 2: Kim Williams has said he was going to try and
Speaker 2: restore some balance to the ABC. He said that before
Speaker 2: he started. There are I am hearing a lot of
Speaker 2: rumblings that it is actually getting quite hands on things
Speaker 2: like the ABC website homepage. So you know, we'll see
Speaker 2: just how far he goes. But I think you know,
Speaker 2: when Matt just said it is a staff collective, that
Speaker 2: is what we've seen that no chairs, managing directors or
Speaker 2: anyone on the board has ever been able to actually
Speaker 2: have an impact when it comes to having an unbiased
Speaker 2: and objective, not even group of journalists just their output.
Speaker 7: Well, something has changed, obviously, when a decision like this
Speaker 7: is a career decision like this, a five year contract
Speaker 7: is put on your table, you do consider where will
Speaker 7: I be over the course of that contract. And unless
Speaker 7: there's been some family circumstances change, which doesn't appear to
Speaker 7: be the case, we know the MD has had a
Speaker 7: change of or a change of mind or a change
Speaker 7: of direction coming from above.
Speaker 14: So that may well be a good thing.
Speaker 7: That might be what many people around Australia have been
Speaker 7: calling for for a long time. There will be a
Speaker 7: new MD to carry out the new chair's vision. Let's
Speaker 7: see what happens, shall we?
Speaker 2: All right, Basil zamplus Matt Canavan. Great to see you
Speaker 2: both as always on a Thursday. Now, the British New
Speaker 2: Labor government has appointed one of its top security bureaucrats
Speaker 2: to review the AUCUST partnership. The Nightly reports that Sir
Speaker 2: Stephen Lovegrove will pour over the progress and benefits of
Speaker 2: UCUS and report to the government in October. Now, this
Speaker 2: ORCUS partnership between the US, the UK and Australia is
Speaker 2: critical to our national security and as the American Congressman
Speaker 2: Michael McColl told me last week, it is the single
Speaker 2: biggest deterrent against China right now. Former Prime Minister Scott
Speaker 2: Morrison orchestrated the Orchest deal and when he learned that
Speaker 2: it was Stephen Lovegrove who was going to lead this review,
Speaker 2: he wasn't concerned in the slightest. Now, Scott Morrison was traveling,
Speaker 2: he couldn't be on this show tonight, but he told
Speaker 2: me the review of Orcus by Stephen Lovegrove is a
Speaker 2: welcome development and provides the opportunity for a refreshed UK
Speaker 2: commitment to Orcus from the Starmer government. He said, Stephen
Speaker 2: was in the room with Boris, President Biden and I
Speaker 2: when we founded Orcus, and was instrumental in bringing Orcus
Speaker 2: into being. No one other than Boris would have a
Speaker 2: better understanding of the ambitions, purpose and need for Orcus
Speaker 2: in the UK than Stephen.
Speaker 8: He said.
Speaker 2: I look forward to seeing his report and commend the
Speaker 2: Starmer government for appointing him to this important task. And
Speaker 2: while Scott Morrison couldn't be on the show tonight, he
Speaker 2: will be on my program early next week to discuss
Speaker 2: this and other topics. But for now, let's bring in
Speaker 2: Strategic Analysis. Australia Director Peter Jennings. Great to see you again.
Speaker 2: Why would Kiir Starma be ordering a review into Orcus.
Speaker 15: Well, It's a new government and I guess he needs
Speaker 15: to persuade that huge backbench of MPs that Labour now
Speaker 15: has keeping them in government that this is something that's
Speaker 15: going to work from a labor perspective as well. I
Speaker 15: agree with Scott Morrison's take. I think that I would
Speaker 15: be astonished if anything negative came out of the review.
Speaker 15: And importantly, for AUCUST to work, each of the three
Speaker 15: countries that are partners Shari need to get something from it.
Speaker 15: It's not about a charitable act towards strengthening Australia's defense.
Speaker 14: What the British get is a.
Speaker 15: Strengthened defense industry and will get benefit from that. What
Speaker 15: the Americans get is a stronger ally in the Endo Pacific.
Speaker 15: So each of the three countries needs to get a
Speaker 15: benefit and I'm sure this review will put the case
Speaker 15: to Keir Starmer that the UK is a strong beneficiary
Speaker 15: from UCAS as well.
Speaker 2: Peter, I'd like to ask you about the gas and
Speaker 2: visa issue now, Tony Burke, the Minister has categorically said
Speaker 2: that no government in its right mind would send people
Speaker 2: back to Gaza. Now the Palestinians are here on visitor visas,
Speaker 2: they have an expiration date, So what do you expect
Speaker 2: will happen when that time is up in the near future.
Speaker 15: I think it's very clear Shari. Those visitor visas last
Speaker 15: for twelve months, and so if we can assume, and
Speaker 15: we know that a number of them were being issued
Speaker 15: from mid October on that right now there will be
Speaker 15: people with those visas who will be applying for asylum
Speaker 15: status in Australia in order to remain permanently. And the
Speaker 15: thing about asylum status, as I understand it, is a
Speaker 15: minister has to make that authorization. They have to authorize
Speaker 15: that a person can make an application for that. And
Speaker 15: so what we've seen in the last fortnight is the
Speaker 15: government essentially trying to push this problem onto firstly the
Speaker 15: intelligence agencies, get Mike Burgess in front of the cameras,
Speaker 15: he'll look after it for as then saying that there
Speaker 15: is a process which is going to happen somehow completely
Speaker 15: removed from any politician taking responsibility for allowing those people in.
Speaker 15: But now we are, in coming months ago to have
Speaker 15: a constant stream of the thirteen hundred that are in Australia,
Speaker 15: I believe applying for asylum status and that is going
Speaker 15: to land directly on the desk of the Immigration Minister.
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to laugh then, when you were making
Speaker 2: a serious point about Mike Burgess assuring Australians that he
Speaker 2: was taking care of security. I mean there's been a
Speaker 2: loss of confidence in ASIO after they said the people
Speaker 2: with rhetorical support for hermus will welcome into the country.
Speaker 2: I think that that interview has proved problematic. But before
Speaker 2: you get into that, Pete, I want to ask you
Speaker 2: as well. We've just seen the Democratic National Convention rolling
Speaker 2: out at the moment, Kamala Harris being represented to the
Speaker 2: American public as though she were a brand new candidate,
Speaker 2: not the current VP, as part of the current Biden administration.
Speaker 2: What do you think a Kamala Harris presidency would look like.
Speaker 15: I think if Kamala Harris becomes president, she's going to
Speaker 15: become the American Jasinda Ardern. She's going to be very
Speaker 15: focused on performative, theatrical politics of a woke, progressive variety,
Speaker 15: and that's going to be an unusual thing to see
Speaker 15: from the White House, even after having Obama and Biden
Speaker 15: in the chair for so many years. How is it
Speaker 15: going to be possible for her to do that at
Speaker 15: the same time as she's responsible for, for example, modernizing
Speaker 15: America's nuclear weapons arsenal, which is something that is happening
Speaker 15: right now, or for maintaining de terrence not just against Russia,
Speaker 15: but Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran because those four
Speaker 15: countries are kind of sequencing their behavior together. I think
Speaker 15: this is going to be a very challenging.
Speaker 14: Span for.
Speaker 15: A President Harris to try and cover from on the
Speaker 15: one hand, playing to the pro Palestinian student crowds occupying
Speaker 15: university campuses as they did, through to playing that serious
Speaker 15: role of being that the global national security guardian, which
Speaker 15: only the United States can do. But certainly at the moment,
Speaker 15: I think the model is Jsinda Radin. That's what I
Speaker 15: see Kamala looking like in terms of how she's presenting
Speaker 15: herself in the run up to the president election.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we'll see if she does become subject to
Speaker 2: any scrutiny regarding her policies. Peter Jennings, always wonderful to
Speaker 2: have you on the show. Thank you really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Now still coming up in the program. Text messages highlight
Speaker 2: the involvement of the so called mean girls Pennywong and
Speaker 2: Katie Gallagher in the Brittany Higgins saga. Also, the former
Speaker 2: editor in chief of The Age slams The New York
Speaker 2: Times over its reporter leaking the names of hundreds of Jews.
Speaker 2: Michael Gwenda will join me to discuss this shameful saga
Speaker 2: that's coming up after this quick break. Welcome back.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 2: The New York Times is meant to be one of
Speaker 2: the world's most trusted newspapers, and yet one of their
Speaker 2: journalists was part of a private WhatsApp group of six
Speaker 2: hundred Australian Jews. This journalist downloaded the private chats and
Speaker 2: leaked them to another individual and it leaked from their
Speaker 2: leading to horrific threats and anti Semitic attacks, and the
Speaker 2: private information of Australian Jews private individuals being leaked and disseminated.
Speaker 2: The former editor in chief of The Age newspaper, Michael Gwenda,
Speaker 2: writes in The Australian that the ethical foundations of journalism
Speaker 2: in liberal democracies like Australia have been reduced to rubble
Speaker 2: and I'm pleased to say, Michael joins me. Now, Michael,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time. Look, firstly, can
Speaker 2: you explain it it be with you? How did it
Speaker 2: come to light that a New York Times journalist had
Speaker 2: originally leaked the information about hundreds of Australian Jews.
Speaker 5: Well, I think what happened was that.
Speaker 16: After the doc sne happened the group, which happened some
Speaker 16: time ago, months ago. Now people on that WhatsApp obviously
Speaker 16: realized that their information, their chats had been somehow accessed
Speaker 16: by someone and leaked and had gone and had gone
Speaker 16: to people who were frankly viciously. They call themselves pro Palestinian,
Speaker 16: but they're vicious people who have basically, over a long
Speaker 16: period of time, six months or longer, attacked some of
Speaker 16: these Jewish people online, and many of them have tens
Speaker 16: of thousands of followers. Now they realized, these people realized
Speaker 16: that somehow their chats had been leaked to these people,
Speaker 16: including people like Clementine Ford for instance, and they thought, well,
Speaker 16: they couldn't believe that this has been done. It could
Speaker 16: only have been someone who was on part of the
Speaker 16: chat group that had done that. I think it took
Speaker 16: them some time. I don't know how they discovered who
Speaker 16: it was, but they eventually did discover well. I think
Speaker 16: the group themselves had real suspicions that it was this
Speaker 16: person that had eleeked it. But the Wall Street Journal,
Speaker 16: to their great credit, did the journalistic examination of what
Speaker 16: had gone on, found out who it was and published
Speaker 16: that really fine story a few days ago of what
Speaker 16: had actually taken place. That it was a New York
Speaker 16: Times journalist based in Melbourne. I'm not sure she's still
Speaker 16: here because she writes she writes the europe Newsletter.
Speaker 5: How she does that from.
Speaker 16: Melbourne, I don't know, but they discovered that, they published
Speaker 16: the story. It was a good story. But I think,
Speaker 16: to the great shame of Australian journalism, this story had
Speaker 16: to be done by the Wall Street Journal rather than
Speaker 16: one of the newspapers here in Australia.
Speaker 2: Very good point. Now, Michael, you've written a letter to
Speaker 2: the New York Times leadership. In it, you know, you
Speaker 2: ask what responsibility they've taken for one of their reporters,
Speaker 2: you know, being involved in this leaking of the information
Speaker 2: that led to so many hundreds of Jews being harmed.
Speaker 2: Do you think they have taken enough responsibility. They haven't
Speaker 2: even really reported on this at all.
Speaker 5: Now they've taken no responsibility.
Speaker 16: In my view, I think it's I think it's I
Speaker 16: don't understand the standard, except in terms of this is
Speaker 16: something that they think happened far away in Australia and
Speaker 16: that they can basically ignore it.
Speaker 5: I think that's how they're behaving.
Speaker 16: I thought to myself, if this had happened to say,
Speaker 16: a group of six hundred American Jews, that their information
Speaker 16: had been lead in this way by a New York
Speaker 16: Times reporter, could they have ignored the story the way
Speaker 16: they have.
Speaker 5: I doubt that they could have.
Speaker 16: But to me, this is just absolutely an example of
Speaker 16: journalistic cowardice. I wrote to them, I said, you know
Speaker 16: you pride yourself on being fearless in your reporting. You
Speaker 16: also pride yourself and have over many years, been absolutely
Speaker 16: committed to when you make mistakes, revealing the mistakes that
Speaker 16: your journalists have made.
Speaker 5: Examining them, telling your readers about.
Speaker 16: Them, telling your readers what you're going to do to
Speaker 16: make sure it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 5: They have not done anything like that in this case.
Speaker 16: I think it's I think it's a sign for me
Speaker 16: it's a sign of where journalism is at, especially I've
Speaker 16: got to say, in the liberal media. It's a sign
Speaker 16: of where which I was part of for my whole
Speaker 16: journalistic life. It's a sign of where we've ended up.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, I mean, you know you look far too
Speaker 2: young for this, but I understand you spent five decades
Speaker 2: at the Age you were the editor in chief, and
Speaker 2: yet you're writing about anti semitism has appeared in the Australian.
Speaker 2: What does that tell you about, as you call it,
Speaker 2: the liberal media in this country.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 16: It tells me that the Age and papers like the Age,
Speaker 16: and I think this is probably true about the ABC
Speaker 16: as well, that the executive producers, the news directors, the
Speaker 16: editors have lost control of their newspapers and their television
Speaker 16: stations and then news outfits. I think that we've reached
Speaker 16: a point now where editors, I feel like this has happened.
Speaker 16: Editors are really captive of their staff, and I think
Speaker 16: the truth is that there are many people on papers
Speaker 16: like the Age of Sidney Morning Herald that would be
Speaker 16: and have staff that would be appalled if I was
Speaker 16: allowed to write for them.
Speaker 5: I think that's the situation we're in at the.
Speaker 2: Moment, and shame on them because anyone, any media outlet,
Speaker 2: should be honored to have your work being published. Michael,
Speaker 2: thank you for your courage and speaking out on this
Speaker 2: issue and on the media who have been hostile in
Speaker 2: covering the antisemitism crisis. I just don't understand how the
Speaker 2: ABC has failed to comprehensively cover what's been going on
Speaker 2: in our country. It's unprecedented in Australia at the levels
Speaker 2: of antisemitism. Public broadcaster has barely touched the issue. Michael
Speaker 2: Gwenda really appreciate your time. Thank you. Now up next,
Speaker 2: when families can't afford to buy a chicken, you know,
Speaker 2: the cost of living crisis is coming home to roost.
Speaker 2: Will cover that in a moment. Plus how long will
Speaker 2: Donald Trump have to remain behind bulletproof glass before he
Speaker 2: can have a rally out in the open. I'm going
Speaker 2: to discuss that with my panel. Next, welcome back, Well,
Speaker 2: let's bring you now Sky News contributor Gary Hardgrave and
Speaker 2: llenp Senator James McGrath. Welcome to you both, gentlemen. Let's
Speaker 2: turn to the cost of chicken. Now, you know the
Speaker 2: cost of living crisis is biting hard when sales of
Speaker 2: chicken fall dramatically. This is meant to be and I
Speaker 2: have to say don't eat chicken myself, but this is
Speaker 2: meant to be the cheapest and most popular protein for Australians.
Speaker 2: This is according to the ODS newspaper. Gary. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of grocery products that people just can't
Speaker 2: afford to buy anymore.
Speaker 14: You know, Shari.
Speaker 17: If you don't eat it and I don't eat it,
Speaker 17: and Australians on average eat fifty kilos of chicken a year,
Speaker 17: there must be some people doing a lot of work
Speaker 17: for you and me.
Speaker 14: Look, it's very rare.
Speaker 2: Why don't you eat chicken? Gary, what's your excuse?
Speaker 14: It's not my first choice.
Speaker 17: I'd much rather have a good piece of red meat
Speaker 17: and some great seafood.
Speaker 14: So there you go. It's pretty simple.
Speaker 17: But look, chicken is the mainstay for a lot of people,
Speaker 17: and yet the cost of.
Speaker 14: Living crisis is coming home. But the problem, the problem.
Speaker 17: Here is that McDonald's, KFC and the people that cook
Speaker 17: chickens are not affording the cost of the electricity.
Speaker 14: That's the problem, Charri.
Speaker 17: And this is all the big retailers, all the big
Speaker 17: commercial fast food stores. Everybody is feeling the pressure because
Speaker 17: labor is so hell bent on driving up the cost
Speaker 17: of electricity.
Speaker 14: So yep, going to come home to rooster.
Speaker 2: As you say, yeah, James, I think there's a section
Speaker 2: of the population that are really struggling just to put
Speaker 2: food on the table, you know, kind of close to
Speaker 2: poverty during this cost of living crisis. But then there's
Speaker 2: another whole section of Australians who were just actually cutting
Speaker 2: back on a lot of grocery items because inflation has
Speaker 2: pushed up the price of just common things and it's
Speaker 2: not going back down.
Speaker 10: Food prices under labor have gone up eleven percent in
Speaker 10: the last two years. This country isn't a cost of
Speaker 10: living crisis. Now, I love chicken and I'll take your
Speaker 10: fifty and fifty kilos here, go for it. I die
Speaker 10: genuinely adore KFC. But seriously, there are families out there
Speaker 10: their treat is on a Friday night is to get KFC.
Speaker 10: And if people can't afford KFC, it shows there is
Speaker 10: a real problem in Australia and that is because we've
Speaker 10: got a labor government and as Gary pointed out, they're
Speaker 10: driving up the power of the cost of power. Sorry,
Speaker 10: they're driving up the cost of living just generally with
Speaker 10: this insurance, rent, mortgage and whatever. People are cutting back
Speaker 10: and it's because of Alban exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, Donald Trump held his first outdoor campaign rally
Speaker 2: since the assassination attempt. He had to do it behind
Speaker 2: bulletproof glass.
Speaker 14: Have a look that charade that they have going on.
Speaker 4: They mentioned my name I think two hundred and seventy
Speaker 4: one times. They mentioned the economy like twelve times. They
Speaker 4: mentioned the border.
Speaker 14: Maybe none.
Speaker 4: They don't talk about the border. Our Great Borders doesn't
Speaker 4: talk about the border. But they mentioned me more than
Speaker 4: any other category. I'm now a category that had me
Speaker 4: down today as a category. That's all they talk about Trump.
Speaker 4: We've driven him crazy. They have Trump derangement syndrome and Gary.
Speaker 2: Of course he was speaking there about the DNC, but
Speaker 2: it's true their focus was more Trump than any policies.
Speaker 17: Yeah, because Trump is the guy that's standing between the
Speaker 17: insanity of more of this green left climate corn internationally
Speaker 17: and getting ourselves back on track. And frankly, Australians will
Speaker 17: be better off if Donald Trump can completely pierce this
Speaker 17: mad dream about renewables being able to give us enough
Speaker 17: electricity to cook that Kentucky fried chicken that James seems
Speaker 17: to like so much. Look, you know, Donald Trump has
Speaker 17: got to get out there, and if he's taking any
Speaker 17: sort of advice from security people to be behind plexiglass,
Speaker 17: I tell you one thing it does do is emphasizes
Speaker 17: the fact that he is a big threat to the
Speaker 17: elites and to the establishment all around the world, and
Speaker 17: people are going to be able to get him. This
Speaker 17: bloke will broke her a difference if he can be elected.
Speaker 17: So keep him safe, keep him bottled up. Well I
Speaker 17: don't think he can keep him bottled up, But keep
Speaker 17: him on track and make us make America and the
Speaker 17: rest of the world great again.
Speaker 2: I say now, I want to end our conversation with
Speaker 2: this amazing eleven year old Australian girl. She survived a
Speaker 2: horrific stabbing attack in London. She's spoken to the Daily
Speaker 2: Telegraph for the first time. Have a quick look.
Speaker 18: The police that have been looking after me. They drove
Speaker 18: me everywhere and they've just been so lockfilly. Some of
Speaker 18: them bonded with me really fast and I felt safe.
Speaker 18: My friend Chris and Carly they came with us to
Speaker 18: Taylor swift for work for work and they had a
Speaker 18: great time, but they also made me feel.
Speaker 2: More safe, James, She's incredible. But how is it that girls,
Speaker 2: that women are being stabbed, that the knife attacks in
Speaker 2: the UK. It's just next level.
Speaker 10: It's next level in the UK. But also here the
Speaker 10: violence against women and girls in Australia. But what is
Speaker 10: just brilliant about this young Australian is what her mum said,
Speaker 10: that nothing will stop her. And I think the future
Speaker 10: is bright in Australia. We've got people like Layla who've
Speaker 10: gone through a horrific stabbing incident, attempted murder in the UK,
Speaker 10: and you just look at it now and go, oh
Speaker 10: my goodness, adults, look at this person, stop whinging, stop
Speaker 10: being silks, look at this young Australian and just get
Speaker 10: on with.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Beautiful story, beautiful girl. Gary Hargrave, James McGrath, Great to
Speaker 2: see you both tonight. Now after the break, Just how
Speaker 2: involved were the so called mean girls Katie Gallagher and
Speaker 2: Penny Wong in the Britney Higgins scandal. Well, some of
Speaker 2: their own text messages have come to light. We're going
Speaker 2: to look at it with Chris Merritt, after the break.
Speaker 2: Senior Albanesi government ministers Penny Wong and Katie Gallagher have
Speaker 2: long denied they had anything to do with weaponizing Brittney
Speaker 2: Higgins rape allegations against the Morrison government politically, but new
Speaker 2: text messages shed light on their involvement in the saga.
Speaker 2: They've been tended in court in the defamation suit that
Speaker 2: Linda Reynolds is pursuing against Higgins and her husband David Scharaz.
Speaker 2: Now Finance Minister Katie Gallagher texted the journalists who break
Speaker 2: the story, Sam Maiden, to discuss parts of it. She
Speaker 2: said she saw the police before the first April though
Speaker 2: she's meaning brit So texting about the detail of the
Speaker 2: case and Pennywog also sent text messages to Maiden as
Speaker 2: you can see on the screen as well. Let's bring
Speaker 2: in now legal affairs expert and the vice president of
Speaker 2: the Rule of Law Institute, Chris Merritt. Chris, thanks great
Speaker 2: to see you again. Look what do you think these
Speaker 2: messages show about Pennywog and Katie Gallagher's involvement in pushing
Speaker 2: the story along from a political perspective.
Speaker 19: Look, it'll be up to justice title hopefully In his
Speaker 19: judgment to put together a timeline which will hopefully spell
Speaker 19: out a bit more detail about who knew what and when.
Speaker 19: But on the face of things, it looks as though
Speaker 19: this is in line with the finding in the earlier
Speaker 19: defamation case in the Federal Court, where Justice Michael Lee
Speaker 19: said this must be the only cover up where the
Speaker 19: party accused of covering up wanted to call the police.
Speaker 19: So the timing is crucial on all this who knew
Speaker 19: what and when? And the big concern, however, is this
Speaker 19: Labor is not a party to this. This is a
Speaker 19: defamation case. There's a risk that we might never get
Speaker 19: to the bottom of this, that this defamation case might
Speaker 19: not get to the bottom of it, which means the
Speaker 19: National Anti Corruption Commission. This might fall to the Commission
Speaker 19: to dig into and have a good look at. But
Speaker 19: there are a few surprises in this week's proceedings, and
Speaker 19: one of the biggest is that there now appears to
Speaker 19: be two psychiatric reports on the harm that's said to
Speaker 19: have been caused to Miss Higgins. One of the reports
Speaker 19: says one hundred percent of the harm was caused by
Speaker 19: the sexual assault that is said to have taken place,
Speaker 19: and the other says only a only sixty percent, and
Speaker 19: the rest was due to the mishandling of the sexual
Speaker 19: assault by the government. Now how that came about is
Speaker 19: also a matter that hopefully could still be referred to
Speaker 19: the Anti Corruption Commission, But the judge didn't seem to
Speaker 19: be that interested in this aspect of the affair. It
Speaker 19: doesn't go to the question of defamation. That goes more
Speaker 19: to the broader narrative of the payout to Miss Higgins,
Speaker 19: so that we could finish up with a very unsatisfactory
Speaker 19: outcome in this case. We might get a win or
Speaker 19: a loss in the defamation proceedings, but that could leave
Speaker 19: a number of questions hanging that are very crucial to
Speaker 19: the broader narrative and the public interest.
Speaker 2: We also heard this week that Brittany Higgins won't be
Speaker 2: giving evidence. She won't be defending herself.
Speaker 3: If you like, is this unusual, Well, if you're going
Speaker 3: to defend a mation case and not take the stand,
Speaker 3: it's a very strange way to conduct a defense.
Speaker 19: Let me put it that way. It denies Miss Reynolds's
Speaker 19: counsel from the opportunity of cross examining and testing Miss
Speaker 19: Higgins on the stand. We already know that mister Charraz
Speaker 19: is not going to give evidence, so it's almost like
Speaker 19: fighting someone who's not there. So the case will be
Speaker 19: determined on the evidence that's come to light so far,
Speaker 19: and some of that evidence. The text messages that came
Speaker 19: out today this week are really quite surprising. They show
Speaker 19: that Samantha Maiden, the News Limited journalist news dot com journalist,
Speaker 19: actually chastised mister Sharraz at one stage and urged him
Speaker 19: to stop conducting himself like some sort of agent out
Speaker 19: of concern for the stress.
Speaker 2: She was concerned about putting pressure on Higgins, no question,
Speaker 2: Chris Merritt were out of time. Great to see you.
Speaker 2: Thanks everyone for your company this week. I'll see you Monday.
Speaker 2: And here's Paul Murray