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Speaker 1: Welcome back here at Operation Flinders today at Edwardstown, their headquarters.

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Speaker 1: We're in a big warehouse where they saw a lot

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Speaker 1: of equipment for some of the activities they do. Of course,

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Speaker 1: the big one, the one we know about Operation Flinders

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Speaker 1: over many years they've been running thirty three years here

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Speaker 1: in South Australia and that is the Outback Adventure Camp.

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Speaker 1: That's probably not the best way of putting it, but

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Speaker 1: what they do in terms of taking young kids teenagers

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Speaker 1: which is the northern part of the Flinders, so remote

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Speaker 1: out there, and putting them through an eight day program

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Speaker 1: of resilience training. Essentially it goes on. There's next Step

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Speaker 1: programs and all sorts of things that run. And here

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Speaker 1: at Edwardstown there's a quite a tall rock climbing wall

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Speaker 1: behind me. I'm going to try that a bit after

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Speaker 1: the program and see how high I get on and

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Speaker 1: the ground. But anyway, we'll have a go at it.

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Speaker 1: But on the weekend heading up there as well to

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Speaker 1: yankin in a Station. Next week I'll bring you back

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Speaker 1: some of the stories from the people up there, including

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Speaker 1: some of the young people. Their ten thousandth young person

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Speaker 1: in thirty three years is there today arriving on a

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Speaker 1: bus and they'll be finding out all about it in

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Speaker 1: the groups that are heading up there, and that is

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Speaker 1: pretty cool that in thirty three years ten thousand they're

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Speaker 1: raising money obviously to help them get to the next

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Speaker 1: ten thousand. And you can help out on Operation Flinders

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Speaker 1: dot org dot au is the website you go to

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Speaker 1: make a donation. Tabby Ryan is a former volunteer and

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Speaker 1: now Youth programs manager here at Operation Flinders and she's

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Speaker 1: with me now. Tabby, good morning, Good morning, Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for having me tell me a little bit about

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Speaker 1: being well, firstly a volunteer. That's how you got in initially?

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Speaker 1: When was that and what did what did you do

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Speaker 1: it for?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Great question.

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Speaker 2: So I first joined Operation Flinders in twenty nineteen and

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Speaker 2: I had I'd heard, I'd studied, I just finished the

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Speaker 2: Masters of Counseling. I had heard about Adventure Therapy and

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Speaker 2: thought it was a really really cool way to create

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Speaker 2: change for young people. And then I sort of looked

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Speaker 2: into it and realized Operation Flinders was one of the

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Speaker 2: leading providers and it was here in South Australia, so

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Speaker 2: I just jumped on board, you know, filled out the

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Speaker 2: forms and stuff to volunteer because I thought it sounds

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Speaker 2: really really cool and then yes, so since then I've

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Speaker 2: been involved in the organization for the last five or

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Speaker 1: So, okay, Adventure Therapy, what does that mean? Because that

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Speaker 1: sounds fun, right? But is it fun? Well, good question,

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 2: There's a few different types of fun, So this is

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Speaker 2: sort of type two fun we might call it, and

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Speaker 2: that is when you do something that is really challenging

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Speaker 2: and it shows to you the power that you have

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Speaker 2: the lived experience that they have overcome challenges and they

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Speaker 2: have seen success, experienced success, formed connection with others and

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Speaker 2: if you know, in the case of Mattie, they may

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Speaker 1: Do you see that often?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I'm lucky enough to be you know,

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Speaker 2: when they realize, hey, I can achieve things and I

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Speaker 1: I bet that for people like that and like Mattie

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that certainly forms part of our On our

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Speaker 1: Well that's pretty cool. So okay, these days, as the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I still do some of the stuff up

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Speaker 2: an adventure therapy style weekend on average once a month.

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Speaker 2: So some of the equipment that you see around the

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Speaker 2: a condensed experience over a couple of days, but still

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Speaker 2: working on those same parameters of increasing their resilience and

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Speaker 2: strengthening their connections with each other.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic. How do you go about designing programs? And because

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Speaker 1: that's you've got to keep abreast of all of this,

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Speaker 1: don't you as the programs manager? How big is adventure

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually it's a growing field. So you can

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Speaker 2: sort of see there's lots of difficulties with mental health

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Speaker 2: Australia is sort of just coming into the space where

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Speaker 2: they're starting to realize how powerful adventure therapy is. So

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Speaker 2: it is definitely a growing space, and it is all

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Speaker 2: of our programs are designed. I think probably the best

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Speaker 2: way to term it is intentional practice. So every experience

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Speaker 2: a challenge by choice, and it will be designed as, Okay, this,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to set the kids' challenge of

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Speaker 1: I imagine the kids coming back. They you know, we've

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Speaker 1: heard from Maddie for instance, about the sitters right on

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Speaker 1: And those kids that you get back would be knowing

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Speaker 2: Yes, And that is the beauty of it, because it

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Speaker 2: is a program where they have to choose to be there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And like you say, once they've had the experience up there,

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of private schools around Adelaide run

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Speaker 1: a program called Right Journey. Are you familiar with that?

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Speaker 1: Is that similar to some degree? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: There are certain similarities. Yeah, I guess our program is

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Speaker 2: quite individualized, so each young person, we sort of meet

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Speaker 2: they need to go, rather than being sort of bound

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, that's that's quite good and obviously necessary.

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Speaker 1: Being a role model to many young people yourself, they'd

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Speaker 1: look up to you, I imagine that. How does that feel?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it is quite a privilege, and it

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Speaker 2: also it makes me you know, I guess it's what

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Speaker 2: gives me purpose in my work as well, knowing that

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Speaker 1: Rewarding. It must be being here and what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah. I think that it's so powerful to be

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Speaker 2: make changes in their life. That's an absolute privilege.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. One of the key aspects here of

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Speaker 1: the program focuses on resilience, connection, and purpose. Talk us

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's sort of We've done a lot of

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Speaker 2: I think the connection is a really powerful part of

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Speaker 2: the sort of intentional debriefs that we do, and then

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Speaker 2: sense of purpose of Okay, I know who I as Matthew.

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Speaker 1: To me, for people listening, they might think, well, my grandchild, son,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely so. Our website has all of the information

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Speaker 2: would be to find out their school and if they

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Speaker 2: We do also have a sort of an open enrollment

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Speaker 2: so people can approach us directly, that's all on the website,

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Speaker 2: and they can join a team with other young people.

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Speaker 1: All right, and the type of young people you work with?

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Speaker 1: Are there different groups that you look for? I know

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Speaker 1: the school's nominated obviously, how does that happen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we typically work with teenagers I think you

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Speaker 2: from fourteen to nineteen, and typically it's young people that

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Speaker 1: Very important obviously, And Tabby, where do you go from here? Now?

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Speaker 1: Obviously you're running this that must be satisfying as it is,

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Speaker 1: but do you see the program expanding in the future?

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Speaker 1: Would you like it too? Would you are the other

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Speaker 1: components that need to come in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I think I mean, if we

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Speaker 2: had enough capacity to run this program for every young person,

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Speaker 2: I think everyone would benefit from it, you know, So

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Speaker 2: if we had that sort of support to be able

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Speaker 2: to expand, I think it would be truly.

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Speaker 1: Transformational, fantastic. Well, that's what today is all about, especially

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Speaker 1: and right through June as Operation Flinders is looking to

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Speaker 1: raise money for the next ten thousand kids to go through,

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Speaker 1: which is brilliant and people can help out as Gabrielle

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Speaker 1: earlier a thousand dollar donation just fantastic. Thanks Gabrielle for that.

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Speaker 1: Operation Flinders dot org dot au. Jump on the website

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Speaker 1: and make a donation because Operation Flinders needs your support

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Speaker 1: to help ten thousand more students. Do you think the

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Speaker 1: mood will be a bit special up there this weekend

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Speaker 1: with a ten thousandth person.

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Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, it's always special because every

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Speaker 2: young person's there once in a lifetime experience, but I

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Speaker 2: think that this will be particularly special knowing the numbers

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Speaker 2: behind it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely to be great. Meeting you today, Thank you, good

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Speaker 1: luck with all you're doing and into the future.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Matthew Tabby Ryan from Operation Flinders as the youth programs

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Speaker 1: manager and such an important thing, so it can help out.

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Speaker 1: As I said, Operation Flinders dot org dot au