WEBVTT - The Media Show | 18 October 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.800 Vince is the Media Show with Jack. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:07.680 Houting Hello and welcome to the Media Show. I'm Jack Houghton, 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.160 and tonight will take a look at the biggest stories 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.600 in the media. But first, this week, the ABC published 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:18.000 its forty seventh correctional clarification of the year and it 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:23.160 was reprehensible. When the murderous leader of terror organization Hesmela 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.680 was killed in a drone strike. The ABC got on 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.200 the ground to tell us the real story. 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:33.880 But one loss loomed especially large over the crowds. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:36.720 Today we mourn the death of saith Ha's on loss 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:37.159 of our love. 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:39.840 He was the mother who was the father of Lebanon Hip. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.479 How comfort hip hop security will you when when you 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.560 wanted answers we turned to him. 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:50.199 After nearly a year of rally's supporting Gaza and now Lebanon, 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.400 many of these protesters say they are sick and tired 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.920 of Israel's attacks on Arab lands and there are again 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.160 calling on the Australian government to apply more to well 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.280 about a pressure and sanction Israel. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.160 That one minute and forty seven second news report which 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.959 was pushed into the homes of Australians and spread across 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:13.280 social media reporter Nabil al Nashaf failed to mention that 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:17.080 the man who was being celebrated was actually a murderous terrorist. 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.880 It was basically a propaganda video promoting the life of 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.240 an evil extremist. Now what I'm about to read is 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:28.319 extremely confronting, but the Jerusalem Post sought to push back 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:30.440 against the narrative that this man was some sort of 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.360 hero or freedom fighter. Now, they wrote earlier this month, 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.520 the crimes of his party's men in Syria could fill volumes, 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.280 beginning with the dismemberment of children and women, starving the 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:46.240 elderly and children to death, besieging civilians, depriving them of 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:51.680 basic life necessities, looting property, confiscating some lands and burning others. 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.000 Women were raped in front of their husbands, and girls 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.160 in front of their fathers and mothers, all to further 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:02.840 crush and humiliate their spirits. This and many more unthinkable 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:07.120 crimes is why Australia and most western countries consider him 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.480 to be the leader of a terrorist organization. Now, you 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.280 would think that the ABC, when confronted with a complaint 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.840 about this news report, would just delete it, apologize and 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:21.240 offer an explanation. Instead, the ABC issued a correction saying 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:25.560 the clip had missing context when published digitally because it 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.919 didn't have the advantage of context from the two stories 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:32.600 which went before it. Now, to solve this tiny problem, 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.679 the ABC put a tiny caption under the video that 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:39.000 let readers know the man was also a terrorist, but 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.760 the video was not amended to include the detail and 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.360 is still on their website today. And well, we think 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.919 that is pathetic and appalling journalism, which shows that there 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:56.520 is no accountability at the ABC. Well, joining me on 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:58.919 the show this week is the Australians media writer Sophie 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:03.160 Elseweth and Sky and Use contributor Damian Kouri. Now, Sophie, 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.800 let's start with you. This is not just a mistake. 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:11.560 There was a decision made to omit the fact that 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.400 this terrorist, which is what he was before he was killed, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.960 was the leader of Hezbollah. Why would they do that? 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.200 And then why would they think a caption, a small 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:26.280 little caption underneath that is an appropriate way to deal 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:27.160 with that omission? 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.320 Well, jacket's not acceptable and this is where the ABC 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:34.200 lets itself down. We pay for the ABC, the Australian 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.040 taxpayers pay for it. They have to be really clear 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.320 in their reporting and this is a critical fact which 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:44.200 is crucial when reporting this story. And also Jack, the 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.520 fact that they can put out a correction later is 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.080 one step in the right direction. But unfortunately, when you 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.960 have a video, a lot of people are just consuming 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.040 video content. They're not going to be looking elsewhere for 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.360 a correction or amendment somewhere else. They have to change 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.440 the video too to reflect this change, and they have 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.440 not done that, and that I believe is letting down 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:09.000 the Australian public when they are going to the ABC, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.640 as many of them probably will, thinking they're a good, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:14.560 reliable news source. 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.600 But they're not putting out the real facts here. 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.840 It's such a good point, and Damien, let's bring you in. 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.680 I mean, obviously, the complexities of the situation on the 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.200 ground are numerous. It's a very difficult story to cover. 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.640 But when I watched that video, it was so wholly 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.280 positive and so wholly glowing. And there was even a 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.240 sentence by the reporter himself, not someone that he interviewed, 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.880 when he was talking about calls to sanction Israel, and 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.479 you can only conclude that that call was related to 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.640 them killing this terrorist. To me, I cannot see how 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:54.080 it could possibly be justified as balanced journalism. 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.120 Well it can't, Jack, I mean, that's the reality of it. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.160 And the problem with the ABC these days, of course, 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.080 is it's not just a about bias. It's also about 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:06.240 editorial standards and just the general quality of their journalism 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.240 and the quality of their programming is declining. We pay 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.599 so much attention to the bias question, which is huge 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.560 and is obviously a big problem still, that we're not 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.880 noticing the fact that it's just getting god awful, that 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.640 the ABC is actually just pretty bad these days. If 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.320 you go back to the olden days, we used to joke, 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.799 you know about you know, the story breaks on page 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.920 one of the newspaper and the corrections on page sixty 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.160 four the next day. That's exactly what so few were 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.640 sort of alluding to there, with the fact that, you know, 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.440 the correction is never as prominent or as widely seen 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:40.039 as the original error, so the damage is already done. 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.600 The problem, of course, a bias does exist at the ABC. 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.720 It exists explicitly and culturally. If you want to talk 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:51.880 about systemic problems in media organizations, I think the ABC 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.360 has got the biggest systemic problem in terms of its culture. 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.000 But there is definitely a bias coming through. And we 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.960 know that bias is done in journalism through mission as 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.240 much as it's done through inclusion. So this is a 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:09.800 case of hideous bias biomission, extremely obvious bias biomission, and 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.600 it should lead to know how many times is it's 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.320 going to go on. How many times are we going 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.279 to sit here and have this conversation. It is time 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.520 for a clear policy on the ABC. It is time 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:24.680 for clear review. The culture stinks and it can't be fixed. 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.200 It has to be There has to be radical breakthrough 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.520 kind of change and that's what we need to see. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.080 The leadership from Peter Dutton on this very loud and clear, I. 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.360 Think yeah, and Kim Williams as well. Look, Damien makes 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:40.520 incredibly good points about how it is systemic. The fact 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.720 that you've essentially got a tax pay funded organization praising 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.920 a terrorist that happened. Whether they like it or not, 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.400 it was glowing if you look at it from a 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.520 tone point of view. The fact that they're not mentioning 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.520 that he was a terrorist responsible for all those crimes 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.320 over the three decades that he was in charge of 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.960 that terror cell. Kim Williams has said that he does 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.599 not want these youngjournalists with partisan views to be using 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.360 the ABC as their platform to essentially be bloggers. Words 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.039 to that effect and paraphrasing a bit. He does not 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.400 seem capable, no share, seems to be able to rain 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.520 in this body. Does someone like Peter Dutton need to 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:19.120 come in and make some kind of broader policy change 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:20.240 about the ABC? 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.720 Well, Jack Kim Williams has come out and said earlier 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:25.800 in the year, if you don't want to be impartial, 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.560 don't work at the ABC. It's very clear he's also 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.240 stirring up a bit of a hornet's nest because there 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.680 are changes underway in the ABC he is causing. He's 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.040 ruffling feathers in there and some people don't like it, 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.920 but I think he's trying to create some change now. 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:43.760 When it comes to. 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.800 The issue of the coalition, they were in power for 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:51.840 nearly ten years before mister Albanezi became Prime Minister. 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.200 They didn't do much at all about the ABC. 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.320 So it's all well and good for the conservative side 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.280 of politics to winge and complain about the time tax 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.040 payer fund and broadcaster, but what did they do when 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:04.000 they're in office? 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:05.200 Extremely little. 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.800 So this is a problem that is so widespread that 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.000 it has to come from within the organization and not forgetting. 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.440 We are seeing the exit of managing director David Anderson 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.640 in the new year, and I think that could potentially 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.280 shake things up if they get someone external, not just 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.440 an ABC lifer. 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.280 Such a good point about it, but I still think 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:29.040 there's a lot of conservative politicians that don't quite get 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.400 how bad it is and how a lot of it 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.920 is a barracking against their own side, against their own arguments. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.520 It's a huge problem. Some are waking up, but we'll 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.760 keep an eye on it. Let's move on now, because 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.920 Carmala Harris is struggling in the polls, which has prompted 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.080 the presidential hopeful to go on the attack. Now there's 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.559 talks of Harris even doing a lengthy sit down with 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.880 podcast to Joe Rogan, as her team seems to realize 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.200 that she is running out of time to sell her 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.880 message to the American people. And it might be why 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.080 Harris this week decided to was sit down with Fox 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.800 News and to point out why this was such a 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.760 big deal. Harris has never done a Fox interview before, 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.240 and maybe she should have kept it that way. 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.560 Your campaign slogan is a new way forward, and it's 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.679 time to turn the page. You've been vice president for 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.160 three and a half years. So what are you turning 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:20.199 the page from. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.280 Well, first of all, turning the page from the last 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:29.040 decade in which we have been burdened with the kind 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.240 of rhetoric coming from Donald Trump that has been designed 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.280 and implemented to divide our country. 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:41.720 Ah turning the page from the previous previous administration. It 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.280 doesn't make much sense, does it. And she also missed 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:48.520 the opportunity to look forward and define her campaign. Instead, 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.840 her answer seemed to boil down to I'm not Donald Trump. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.800 She also appeared to not be prepared now answers on 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.160 her immigration plan. They clearly lacked substance and details. 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.280 Voters tell polsters all over the country and here in 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.079 Pennsylvania that immigration is one of the key issues that 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.960 they're looking at this election, and specifically the influx of 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.720 illegal immigrants from more than one hundred and fifty countries. 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:18.320 How many illegal immigrants would you estimate your administration has 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.199 released into the country over the last three and a 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:22.040 half years. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.600 Well, I'm glad you raised the issue of immigration because 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.800 I agree with you. It is a topic of discussion 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.079 that people want to rightly have. We have a broken 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.720 immigration system that needs to be repaired. 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:38.240 So your Homeland Security secretary said that eighty percent of apprehension. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:38.320 I'm not finished. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.600 We have a refreshment of six million people have been released. 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:47.000 And when Harris got flustered, she resorted to fear in 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.120 her mind, Donald Trump was going to start locking up 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:51.000 his adversaries. 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:56.120 He has talked about locking people up because they disagree 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.960 with him. This is a democracy, and in a democracy, 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.440 the president of the United States, in the United States 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:07.320 of America should be willing to be able to handle 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.960 criticism without saying he'd lock people up. 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:11.599 For doing it. 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.760 Ironically, the courts and legal system have clearly been weaponized 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:20.319 against Trump in a way which is anti democratic. But 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:24.080 you won't hear Harris talk about that. And my favorite 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.720 moment of all in this interview is watching Harris struggle 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.360 to explain why she told the biggest lie of the 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.440 left that Joe Biden was mentally fit to be in office. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.920 Ask you this, and you told me many interviewers that 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.960 Joe Biden was on his game, that ran around circles 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.839 on his staff. When did you first notice that President 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.280 Biden's mental faculties appeared diminished. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:52.440 Joe Biden. I have watched in from the Oval office 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:56.679 to the situation room, and he has the judgment and 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.439 the experiment and experienced to do exactly what he has 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:03.559 done in making very important decisions on behalf of the 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:09.040 American people. Joe Biden is not valid. I understand Donald Trump. 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.800 Donald Trump, we talked about it, and Donald. 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.600 Trump, you didn't have any concerns. 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.120 I think the American people have a concern about Donald Trump. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.599 Damian, let's bring you in Joe Biden. He has the 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.959 experiment to do what he has done. Wise words, what 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:26.920 do you think about that interview? 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.839 Well, it's classic Kamala Harris word salad. And what was 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.480 different about this interview was it was with an adversarial 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.120 sort of interviewer. Wasn't a softball interview, and he challenged 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.719 her on the usual key messages. Now, one of the 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:43.920 things that we teach people in PR and media training 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:45.959 is that you should go to your key message. But 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.320 the bit that she misses is that the key message 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.800 has to have some deaths, it has to have some substance, 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.199 and it has to address the underlying concerns of the audience, 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.760 and she kept going back to this key message about 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.400 Donald Trump blocking this legislation they were trying to get 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.319 through on the board, which is irrelevant in the context 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:06.319 of the fact that she had absolute power. Let's remember 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.720 the Democrats had the House, they had Congress, they had 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.400 the Senate as well, they had the executive There was 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.800 nothing stopping her in the first two years of hers 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:17.280 her vice presidency in driving an agenda on the border 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.599 and getting stuff done. And she's trying to say that 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:21.400 the bill that was brought in nine months ago that 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.800 was somehow allegedly blocked by Trump is ridiculous. Six Democrats 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.640 voted against that bill, by the way. But even today, 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.240 even in the second two years of their term, when 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.439 they didn't have the House majority, they still can do 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.840 executive orders. The president, the vice president can write executive orders. 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.480 So there's absolutely no excuse. She can't say I didn't 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.040 have power to do this. And so what she was 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.480 bridging to in her answer there was a lie, and 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.520 Brett Byer, very rightly was the first journalist to call 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:51.880 her out on it. I'd like to see a lot 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:53.280 more of that. I hope she really does do. 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.120 Joe Rogan, Yeah, well, that would be that would be 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.240 a phenomenal interview. I think everyone would like to see that. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.280 Damien raises a really good point about I guess whether 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:07.040 someone is battle hardened because they've done adversarial interviews, and 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.439 because she hasn't done it, she was so out of 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.559 her depth. She's so used to doing these sixty minute interviews, Sophie, 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.760 where clearly there are people that are on her side, 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.520 they're not going to push back, and she's not used 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.640 to that. Then, whereas sa jd Vance, he gets it. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.840 Every single time he goes and holds a press conference, 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.840 it's water for ducks back. He gets smashed so often 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.440 by the media that he is battle hardened. And I 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.640 think that's a huge mistake politicians make when they hide themselves, 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:38.040 they make themselves ill equipped. 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:38.560 Will. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.640 This looked like a car crash interview Jack, where she 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:46.280 was mumbling, she wasn't making sense, and she just kept 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.400 going back to the old argument Donald Trump is not. 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.240 Well, he's a bit crazy, et cetera, et cetera. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.480 The questions are about Joe Biden and they were really important, 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.600 and that was her opportunity to seize the moment and 0:14:58.720 --> 0:14:59.280 get out her. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.520 Sort it goes to her a character as well, Sophie, 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.160 and she's trying to say, well, I'm not Joe Biden, 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.480 but it goes to your character. If you told people 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.480 that he was okay, and clearly he wasn't, why did 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:12.080 you tell people? 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:16.680 But she wouldn't answer that question directly, Jack, She dodged 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.200 it and then went on to Donald Trump, Americans are 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:20.920 not stupid. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:21.280 Now. 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.440 She did that interview to try and persuade people who 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:28.560 are Republican voters to vote for her and also capture 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.920 that group of Americans who are undecided, and I think 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:34.760 she came out far worse off. 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.160 Yeah, I mean, Damian, would you agree with that? Do 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.760 you think that people would be less likely or more 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:41.680 likely to vote for her after watching that? 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:44.680 Well? 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.040 Look, I think the media is so partisan in America 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.560 that I wonder how many swinging voters actually would be 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:54.160 watching fongs and thinking about, you know, changing their vote 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:55.560 as a result of that. And if you was, probably 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.480 a few. And I can understand the strategy of wanting 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.440 to do that and step into the lines then because 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.560 it'll spread on social media and go through other channels 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.520 as well. So yeah, I mean, it's not a bad strategy. 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:06.880 If you can pull it off and if you've got 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.080 something to say. But if your only answer is I'm 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.160 not Joe Biden and I'm not Donald Trump, and you 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.880 don't have a message that is well who are you? 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:14.480 What are you? 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.360 What do you stand for? It leaves people to think, well, 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.360 I could be anything you want me to be. Boys 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.640 and girls, just make me president, please, you know, And 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.520 that's what people are looking for in a leader, you know. 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.160 With with Trump, I mean, he may not be that articulate, right, 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:31.560 He's not probably as grammatically correct. He waffles, he rambles, 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.680 he goes off on tangents all the time, and he 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.920 lies by hyperbole and exaggeration, but you get a sense 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:38.840 you know what you're buying, right, you know that Donald 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:40.680 what Donald Trump stands for, what his policies are going 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.560 to be. And that's what the public want. They want 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.680 that sense of confidence in knowing what the product is 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.800 that they're that they're voting for and what they're going 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:48.800 to get at the end of the day. And with 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:50.200 Kamala Harris, you just don't know. 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.280 Yeah, it's a good point. She spent a big chunk 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.760 of the interview denying positions she'd had just five years 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.320 ago by saying, well that was five years ago. Five 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.840 I mean, this isn't that long. Policy shifts anyway. We're 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.080 going to take a quick break, but when we're back 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:13.040 inside nine Publishings culture crisis. Welcome back now to turmoil 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.560 at nine Publishing after the release of its culture review, 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:22.760 which found bosses in nine's broadcast division would belittle, intimidate, 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:27.239 gas light, and sexually harass employees, and when complaints were 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:31.760 made against management, HR would cover it up. Many journalists 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.440 and newsrooms around the country stopped what they were doing 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:39.000 yesterday afternoon as the lengthy report was released, which detailed 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:43.000 these disturbing findings, and credit to the City Morning Herald 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.320 for dedicating a front page to the story, which implicated 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.080 its own management and leadership team and even the HR 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:54.080 bosses who were supposed to be keeping people safe. Punishment 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.800 island was a term that most people at nine were 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.960 familiar with. It was used to describe being frozen out 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.480 by a toxic boss, and some women allege this happened 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.439 to those who complained about bad behavior. The stories were 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.119 so sobering for nine staff to read it led to 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.960 moments like this from one of their top on air stars, 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:14.240 a quick. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:15.119 Word on all this. 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.480 I genuinely, genuinely feel for the women who have given testimony. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.920 I can't imagine how hard that was and the courage 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:27.240 that it took. Many people are hurting. They feel like, 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.359 what was the point of speaking out if perpetrators are 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.680 not called out? I asked the same question yesterday and 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:37.280 it's my understanding. Several investigations are now underway, and we 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:40.159 have to be patient for the process of all that. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:41.960 It's essential and it's critical. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:46.480 Stefanovic makes a good point. Allegations have been made against 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.760 current managers, yet there does not seem to be accountability, 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.600 at least at this stage. Let's bring the panel in 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:57.320 to discuss Sophie Elsworth this. I don't know if you've 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.200 managed to get through most of this report, but it 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:04.480 does make for quite a sobering read. Karl Stefanovic raises 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.359 a really interesting point, and I think a lot of 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.000 staff were wondering this. I know Shahi spoke to some 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.280 people and did this up on her show as well, 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:14.840 who were saying, well, hang on, we've got all of 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:19.240 these allegations against current managers, but they're still our managers. 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:20.359 How does that work? 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:25.919 So Jack We spoke yesterday to many staff, both former 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.359 and existing staff at nine who took part in the review. 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:33.080 They've really disappointed with this because they feel, and I'm 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:37.000 speaking broadly here, that there are people within the organizations 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:41.080 still there in very senior roles with allegations of misconduct 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:44.360 against them. So this has opened up an enormous can 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:48.080 of worms for nine Entertainment. They announced this review in May. 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:52.040 Now they're saying, you know, we've gone through the whole process, 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:56.359 We've implemented or implementing twenty two recommendations, and we move on. 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.959 It's far from moving on. This is a giant headache 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:00.400 for them. 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:04.159 There could even be court cases that come out of this, 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.040 or legal action that comes out of this. There's a 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.800 long way to go in this process, but there's a 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.560 lot of very unhappy people in there that they feel 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.000 some of the people that have had multiple complaints about 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.200 them are still working in the business. 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:23.120 Yeah, Damien, let's bring you in. That's very problematic when 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.080 you've got the company where essentially a lot of the 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.399 people that are going to have to investigate these are 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:35.040 in HR who do appear to have allegations against them themselves, 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:38.080 which and that seems to be at the core of 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.600 a lot of this that when the complaint is made, 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.800 hr was not necessarily acting in the best interest of 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.639 the complainant and seeking to legitimately find out what was 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:53.439 going on, but it was more a carpet brushing exercise, 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:57.600 which now you know that's the same team. Presumably there's 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:01.480 obviously been a little bit of move and everything at 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.880 the top, But how are they going to be able 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:05.719 to do that while keeping in mind that people are 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:09.000 entitled to due process and you know, they do need 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.119