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Speaker 1: Thank you, Clint.

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Speaker 2: It is just gone twenty three to eight. We've been

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Speaker 2: covering this story throughout the morning. That is the horrific

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Speaker 2: story leading the news this morning about a scumbag is

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Speaker 2: arrested and has allegedly been assaulting a number of young

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Speaker 3: Just the most horrific, disgust gut wrenching story. And for

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Speaker 1: Mate anger as well. I'll be honest, I.

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Speaker 3: Can't even imagine what parents are going through, and not

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Speaker 3: just parents who might have had kids in these daycare centers,

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Speaker 3: but any parent who trusts that when they send their

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Speaker 3: that is the second place, is second safest place after home,

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Speaker 3: and that's where you should be dropping your kids. It's

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Speaker 2: A lot of chat last night amongst our friends, and

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Speaker 2: I noticed on a lot of community Facebook pages around

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Speaker 2: Melbourne people questioning the policies of their daycare centers. How

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Speaker 2: are they finding their staff? How regulated is.

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Speaker 3: That are you doing that? You've got kids today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, We're having this conversation last night. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier if I was a daycare center, I'd

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Speaker 3: I just so, it's also really shitty for a lot

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Speaker 3: of really really good people out there, daycare centers, teachers,

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Speaker 3: you know, people will be looking at them with a

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Speaker 3: different perspective. And there's so many wonderful, kind, beautiful teachers

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Speaker 3: and daycare workers out there who would be feeling this awful,

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Speaker 3: gut wrenching pain today as well.

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Speaker 2: And it's just my kids love their daycare teachers, absolutely

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Speaker 2: loved them. We've had all three kids go through the

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Speaker 2: My heartbreaks of people in that industry that are very

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Speaker 2: proud of what they do. We are joined by Czara

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Speaker 2: this morning, she works in the childcare industry. Morning, Good morning, guys,

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Speaker 2: Good morning. We First things first, thank you for the

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Speaker 2: work you do.

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Speaker 5: Ok No, that's okay, I mean on a day like this,

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Speaker 5: it's not not really something I'm as proud of as

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Speaker 5: I usually Unfortunately, can we.

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Speaker 2: Ask protocols when it comes to getting jobs in this industry.

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Speaker 2: I believe you've worked at a number of day care centers.

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Speaker 2: What's required to actually get a job in a day

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so not a whole lot, Not as much as

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Speaker 5: you'd you'd hope or expect. I guess you need a

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Speaker 5: working with Children's check and a police check, the two

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Speaker 5: big oneses been in saying that working with children's techs

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Speaker 5: last quite a number of years, and to my understanding,

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Speaker 5: they're only valid kind of up until the day that

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Speaker 5: that you shouldn't do after already getting that check, and

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Speaker 5: you can still show that check to say that it's valid.

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Speaker 5: So the working with Children's check and police check. You

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Speaker 5: need your first DAID and your CPR, which everyone can get.

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Speaker 5: And you need to be studying a childcare qualification. You

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Speaker 5: don't need to be qualified. It is like a learning

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Speaker 2: Is there a lot of cameras in daycare centers?

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Speaker 5: It's dependent on the center, the ones that I've worked at.

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Speaker 5: I haven't worked at a center where the a camera's inside.

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Speaker 5: I've never had cameras in the room.

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Speaker 3: But I also imagine that's quite complex as well, because

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Speaker 3: like Jase, do you want your kids? I know you

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Speaker 3: obviously you think cameras are great, right because they watch

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Speaker 3: But that is what you think about a daycare center anyway, right,

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Speaker 3: So then there's a complexity with people not wanting their

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Speaker 2: If I was no, I know your point. But if

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Speaker 3: As an employee.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's definitely times when accusations have been thrown around

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Speaker 5: Because there's no evidence, and I mean your witness is

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Speaker 4: Got to be very careful with the language here because

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Speaker 5: I wish I could say that it did, but unfortunately

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Speaker 5: it doesn't come as a surprise. It doesn't make it

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Speaker 5: any less horrifying or or gut wrenching that this has happened.

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Speaker 5: But I think in all industries there's bad eggs, but

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Speaker 5: when it comes to children, it definitely in.

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Speaker 4: Your experience, what needs to happen, what needs to be done.

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Speaker 5: See, that's a very loaded question, I think, and a

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Speaker 5: very hard one to answer. I think that there probably

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Speaker 5: needs to be a crackdown on reference checks as well.

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Speaker 5: In my experience getting jobs and then being a reference

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Speaker 5: to other people getting jobs in childcare, there's a list

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Speaker 5: of questions that the person needs to ask to comply

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Speaker 1: Zara.

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Speaker 2: From your experience, do you find a lot of these

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Speaker 5: Quite it's the entire sector is so understaff and so

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Speaker 5: that also comes hand in hand with making it difficult

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Speaker 5: even if they're not the best fit for the center.

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Speaker 1: It's a massive issue.

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Speaker 2: And what's sad is it's taken something like this for

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Speaker 3: And it has to be it has to be fixed.

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Speaker 3: But Zarah, obviously you'll go to work today. Do you

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Speaker 3: go to work feeling differently today? Because we're saying before

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Speaker 4: Much oud of what you do, and a lot of

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Speaker 5: It makes it a lot harder, Definitely. I'm actually taking

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Speaker 5: it's just like even thinking about sending my own kids

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Speaker 2: Well, it definitely needs an overhaul, it needs a bloody

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Speaker 2: good investigation. But you should hold your head up high

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Speaker 2: today and a lot of daycare workers out there that

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Speaker 3: And our thoughts are just very much with anyone who

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Speaker 1: Wake up to.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thirteen twenty four ten is our number anytime you

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Speaker 4: Look, it must be said, we do have to be

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Speaker 4: legally very careful. It's obviously a delicate subject to tackle.

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Speaker 4: But this man, his name is Joshua Brown. He has

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Speaker 4: been charged with a string of offenses. The Victoria Police

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Speaker 4: straight away. In doing so, we want to bring in

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Speaker 4: We had a caller on just before it and you, Zara,

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Speaker 1: Why is that so?

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Speaker 6: Like I currently work in early childhood and in a

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Speaker 6: As you mentioned, we do have a lot of answers

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Speaker 6: a very thorough investigation that occurs. These allegations go to

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Speaker 6: they're not in any private areas, even for us as educators.

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Speaker 6: They're not in that space. Okay, they're not in our

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Speaker 6: You can see what is going on, you can see

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Speaker 6: a parent, or another educator. So we do have these

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Speaker 6: That footage goes to the department. They review it as well.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, I'm just going to stop me there.

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Speaker 2: I know you want to ask a questions, but as

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Speaker 2: and I'll be honest, it's pissing me off because it

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Speaker 2: isn't regulated enough.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise we will be in this situation.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Javes, I absolutely agree. I am a parent myself,

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Speaker 6: I have three children.

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Speaker 1: But don't ring up and say it's like it is.

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Speaker 2: Sorry mate, no one today.

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Speaker 6: Second, I'm not saying it's regulated enough. I'm saying that

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Speaker 6: they're are systems in face.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're broken, they're not working.

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Speaker 6: I agree, I absolutely agree. We have had these comp

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Speaker 6: we all have said over the years, multiply, I've been

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Speaker 6: in this spector for over a decade, and the systems

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Speaker 6: not benefiting the people who see something and they say something.

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Speaker 6: The people who are doing these who are trespassing against children,

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Speaker 6: they're getting away with things. You know, we are making

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Speaker 6: these notifications to the department. We are saying someone has

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Speaker 6: done something wrong. This person has done something wrong, and

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Speaker 6: we don't agree with it, and then the consequences are

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Speaker 6: not severe enough. People are being fired from positions. They

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Speaker 6: are then like I agree with Zara, they do so,

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Speaker 6: and they're able to go to another position. They're working

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Speaker 6: with children. Shake is still valid.

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Speaker 3: That is not okay, right, But it sounds like there's

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Speaker 3: different daycares that have their own set of rules, right,

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Speaker 3: because there are some places that are perhaps doing this

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Speaker 3: better than others where we've heard stories about. I think

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Speaker 3: in New South Wales there are general mandates that mean

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Speaker 3: they all have to have cameras, but not all places

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Speaker 3: have that here. Do we need an overhaul of this

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Speaker 3: whole system so everyone has the same rules, because it

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Speaker 3: is not fair that some kids go to a day

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Speaker 3: They should all be safe.

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Speaker 6: I absolutely agree. I absolutely agree it needs to be

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure if uniform is the right word, but

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Speaker 6: there needs to be something that is in place that

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Speaker 6: protects the children. If we're putting cameras in all senses,

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Speaker 6: and that is regulation, it is now law, Like we

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Speaker 6: recently had the child Say standards upstated there was nine

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Speaker 6: and now there's eleven, and that was to include Aboriginal

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Speaker 6: children and to state owned for children. Why are we

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Speaker 6: not protecting to the anonymously?

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Speaker 1: Well, how do you feel going to work today?

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Speaker 6: My heart is chounting. I felt basically stick all day yesterday.

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Speaker 6: I felt like I was going to vomit as soon

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Speaker 6: as this news, Like my children are in okay, do

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Speaker 6: I have to go and pick them up? And not

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Speaker 6: just not just educated? There's a parent like are my children's.

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Speaker 4: And just just be careful, just be careful with this one.

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Speaker 4: But as someone who knows people who have worked with

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Speaker 4: the person in question, how do those people that you know.

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Speaker 1: Feel they're just good?

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Speaker 6: They're angry? How do you work with someone and you

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Speaker 6: don't see that? Like, the issue is that these people,

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Speaker 6: they know what they're doing. They're grooming not just for children,

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Speaker 6: but management and children and the other educated and the

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Speaker 3: And I know that we are all really I know, Jace,

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Speaker 3: I know you're angry. I know you're frustrated. Our caller

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Speaker 3: there is angry and frustrated. And this is the thing.

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Speaker 3: There is no one involved. I don't even have kids, right,

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Speaker 3: but this is making me sick to my stomach. Everyone

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Speaker 3: wants the best for kids when they go to childhood.

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Speaker 3: Half out there there are teachers, there are daycare centers

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Speaker 3: who are absolutely thorough and ensuring this stuff doesn't go on.

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Speaker 3: I can understand.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, my heart is breaking for

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Speaker 2: people who work in childcare today. It really is because

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Speaker 2: they're very proud of their job. But I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to be entertaining for a second the thought that the

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Speaker 2: system doesn't need an overhaulp it does.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, let people down, and can you imagine can you

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Speaker 8: imagine the people that worked in those sentences this morning,

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Speaker 8: that the guilt that they would no doubt carry knowing

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Speaker 8: that in their mid.

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Speaker 2: Cis effects so many people, It really does. Hey, look

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Speaker 2: it's coming up to eight o'clock. We're going to park

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Speaker 2: the topic because we are very mindful that a lot

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Speaker 2: of kids jumping cars at eight o'clock ten to school,

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Speaker 2: and this is something that people might not want their

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Speaker 2: kids to be across. So we'll revisit it later on

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Speaker 2: closer than nine, but we're going to park it for

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Speaker 2: a while.

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Speaker 1: Light in the mood. Nick the Wizard Watson going to

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Speaker 1: be your next.

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