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Speaker 1: So what did you say about it's.

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Speaker 2: Just a joke, fun games and Shenanigan's the National Rugby League.

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Speaker 1: It is just just a just a fun joke.

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Speaker 2: First podcast for a wheal chairs, Yeah, first grade mate

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Speaker 1: Big leagues, Yeah, dalli chairvers. Look we've been we've been

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Speaker 1: waiting for this moment for quite a while. Not gonna

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Speaker 1: lie when I when I am c your wedding, U,

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Speaker 1: the one condition was, Hey, I scratched your back, you

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Speaker 1: scratch mine. Unfortunately it's taken about two years for you

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Speaker 1: to scratch that. It just turned into a blister, got

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Speaker 1: rings all over my back.

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Speaker 3: Now the suspense was killing me too, Sure it was, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: It kept the other night. But is this your first podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'd say yeah. Based on where the podcast landscape's gone.

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Speaker 3: Did some very sort of more sort of endly stuff

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Speaker 1: Well, you are a I would say you're someone who

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Speaker 1: doesn't do a lot of media. Is that a fair assumption?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're quite a private person.

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Speaker 3: I'd say, naturally, I'm a private person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously naturally closed book. No, it is funny because

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Speaker 3: League that can be taken.

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Speaker 1: No, I would say in a good way, in a

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Speaker 1: great way, I think, because I think you live through

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Speaker 1: two generations. Right, you sort of had the the start

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Speaker 1: And I remember when I when I was at Melbourne

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Speaker 1: I wonder if I'm going to get along with Dally

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Speaker 1: and Harry Harry and Monster who'd been in origin. He goes,

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Speaker 1: trust me, he's he how you think he's going to be.

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Speaker 1: He will be miles and miles different than what you

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Speaker 3: I sort of I reckon become aware of it through

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Speaker 2: I thought you were a nice guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it definite. He took me by surprise, and still

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Speaker 1: Shevans like? You know, pretty pretty stiff sort of guy.

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Speaker 1: He's I said, what he like? What he character? He

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Speaker 2: He's the best flow and he just loves taking the

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Speaker 2: much deally, both of us closed books. We show a

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Speaker 2: your halves. Combination of your standing YouTube blokes, How did

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Speaker 2: you a couple of things about your relationship? How did

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Speaker 2: you blokes hit like hit it off straight away to

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Speaker 3: Well, there's two parts to us, right, there's the on

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Speaker 1: It was a tough Army camp, but it was I

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Speaker 1: I forgot about that so much. Remember when Remember we

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me have a guess who was Let me

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Speaker 2: have a guess who was best. I'm just the best

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Speaker 2: I've got the only boys.

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Speaker 3: Three people that come to mind that were really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me have a get I would say Lachlan

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Speaker 2: Croker be one a man of the land, and he didn't.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, a little sookie as well.

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Speaker 1: What wasn't there? I wasn't the Bulldogs then he was

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Speaker 3: army tomorrow as Ethan Bullymore. Yeah. Yeah, he was unbelievable. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He's a he's a specimen too, Like people don't realize

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Speaker 2: Backs to say that because I look at Ethan and

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Speaker 2: I was about to say, and I don't mean this

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Speaker 1: Just yeah, I would I'd probably say it's a fair

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you're talking about bitcoin. He caught him. Me

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Speaker 2: a sell on bigcoin for for like fucking hours. It's just.

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Speaker 1: Uh and the other one who won it, Jake was good,

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Speaker 1: Troy Vich he was a surprise, was unreal. Who was

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Speaker 4: Rubes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't. I don't you know how they're doing

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Speaker 1: and they I think they got while she and Josh

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Speaker 3: Well, they just have to edit too much of his

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and his ship.

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Speaker 2: Chat he really shot chat Jack.

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Speaker 3: The catch with Rooms is is that because he's always

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Speaker 2: I can relate to that, totally relate to that. So

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Speaker 2: tell me, Dally, tell me about so the wedding. Tell

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Speaker 2: about your wedding and basically the job that him that

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Speaker 2: Cooper did a MC There was some I hear some

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Speaker 2: awkward moments on the wedding attendees.

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Speaker 1: Awkward for her.

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Speaker 4: In laws.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a few. I didn't go. I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: You were nice to me, which was good.

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Speaker 1: I think there was only one joke I had about you,

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Speaker 1: and it was in reference I all said it to

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Speaker 1: your wife, Vessa. I said, Vessa, congratulations on locking him down.

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Speaker 1: I'd just be worried because he has a tendency after

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Speaker 3: I think that was the only which is fine. It's fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he keeps were in the room as well. So

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Speaker 2: All the day off we do. I drove Cooper, he's

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Speaker 2: he's won for you? How long did you invest? How

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Speaker 2: How long before? What made you just what I mean?

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Speaker 3: And I think that was also a really big part

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Speaker 3: So we're not just talking about my wedding, which, for

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Speaker 1: how long it takes you to cry? Whoever took the

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Speaker 1: Tony Wilson came down and I said, there's singular to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, something's gone. Something's gone, There's something's been lost, some masculinity.

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Speaker 1: What else is I remember? And you're telling me once

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Speaker 2: That's my mum, Dally, that's my wife. It's not funny.

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Speaker 2: Where did you get that ball from rejectifying my wife? Cooper?

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Speaker 3: Actually get it off.

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Speaker 1: I think it was me and Chairs's worst nightmare. We'd

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Speaker 1: And he was so office because everyone was like, we'd

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Speaker 3: Waits is not his forte, nor was it ource to

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Speaker 3: be fair. So no, but people aren't expecting us. Look yeah,

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Speaker 1: What's that like trying to learn a whole new calls

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Speaker 2: At Newcastle, our spoo of the line call was real estate.

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Speaker 2: we went into Origin cares and Chiefs, just the defense

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Speaker 2: You can see all the other those going what the

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Speaker 1: That's actually like the thinking behind it. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: how much you, I would say, scroll through real estate

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Speaker 3: I am. I'm a great window shopper. I really enjoyed

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Speaker 3: You do like it.

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Speaker 4: I mean I love it.

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Speaker 2: A hunt for bargains every single day. But I get

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Speaker 2: it's called zelo, jump on zulo and it does want

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Speaker 2: Like a number of years ago, there are four bedroom

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and what in terms of buying overseas, is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of countries that actually that they

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Speaker 1: Money, give you an allowance to be a citizen.

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Speaker 2: Same with Italy. In Italy, in southern Italy, in particularly

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Speaker 1: That's all we got time for. Tell us people more

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Speaker 3: It's not just recession go for it. It's you know,

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Speaker 3: and I. But if it does go into the left

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00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 3: and right attacking stuff, I've got to get in front

441
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 3: of your Gussie.

442
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 2: He said, nightmare.

443
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 3: And I've had to do that sometimes, you know, a

444
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 3: handful of times during a footy season, and that in

445
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 3: itself is tough work. He's obviously given me a couple

446
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 3: of really hard games. He's a great player and having

447
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,959
Speaker 3: to do that on a weekly basis is not one

448
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 3: of the reasons why I went to the Roosters, but

449
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 3: it's part of.

450
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 2: The deal, part of the chefs going to a new club,

451
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 2: new players, all those things, but a new system are played,

452
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: new new system training. I remember talking to Cooper Kronk

453
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 2: when he went from when he went from the Melbourne

454
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 2: Storm across to the Roosters. What surprised him was how

455
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 2: they didn't train that that hard. He said, it was

456
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 2: just so different to Melbourne. Their philosophy was right, we

457
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 2: might start a little bit slow, we're going to pick

458
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 2: up at the back end where Melbourne straight out of

459
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 2: the gates want to want to get away wins. How

460
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: did you find the training as far as, let you know,

461
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: the physicality, like you know in terms of four hundreds,

462
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 2: eight hundreds, all that sort of stuff, mainly to Roosters.

463
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 3: Like physically, there's no doubt about it. It takes you

464
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 3: a little bit to get used to and pre season

465
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 3: in general is not easy. So it was that that

466
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: first two weeks I reckon we had Cocota before Christmas

467
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: as well, but that's two weeks of Christmas before pre Christmas,

468
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: I trained for as much as I was trying to

469
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 3: learn plays, they're also physically just trying to get used

470
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: to what their normal is. Yeah, it was a fair

471
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 3: bit actually, And then also on top of that, like

472
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 3: I'm obviously at the back end of my career. So

473
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 3: when training is physical and you know, whether it's long

474
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 3: running sessions and stuff, and you combine that with the

475
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 3: tackling side of things, like, it does take its toll.

476
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 3: So I guess that's where as an older fellow, I'm

477
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: just trying to be smarter with Yeah.

478
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: I was going to say, does Trent Robinson and the

479
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: training stuff expect you to do the same thing as

480
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 2: say ye have Let's say Robins were like the same

481
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: expectations or do they just let that they ease you

482
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: in and out of training.

483
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what it's like year to year, but

484
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 3: because it's this was the new club for me, I

485
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: wanted to go in there and make sure I was

486
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 3: doing as much as I possibly could, so I'd got

487
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 3: to I don't reckon I missed a heap of training

488
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 3: this preseason. I've got a fair bit of it done,

489
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 3: But I don't mind that when you go into a

490
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 3: footy season having done a fair bit of the preseason,

491
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 3: if not all of it. It gives you a great

492
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 3: deal of confidence in yourself.

493
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: So and it's also like, it's pretty good. I imagine

494
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: young guys coming to the roosters, like the young players

495
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: that aren't even in first grade, to see a thirty

496
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: seven year old who's like, and you're very fit, you

497
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: win a lot of the fitness are you're a great

498
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: trainer outside of the gym, AH expect like it'd be

499
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: a great I suppose example for those young guys.

500
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

501
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: Well, maybe that was the whole point of it all

502
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 3: from Trent's philosophy as well as the coach was just

503
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: getting there and sort of lead the way. But I

504
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 3: think we were sort of already on the same page

505
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: with that. I know this sort of person I am

506
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: as you want to get a really good lock a

507
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: preseason done and gives you confidence during the season if

508
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: you do need to miss a session here or there,

509
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 3: you won't feel too guilty.

510
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: It's interesting to get a new club. Number of things

511
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: change a system, but you know you're dealing with a

512
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: whole new set of players and oftentimes I remember going

513
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: from Newcastle to Krnulla and the one guy I hated

514
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: most in the Cornella side was a felt called Dean

515
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: Treesta who was a hooker and he was just an agitator.

516
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: He just always got in my face on the field.

517
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: On the film mate Mate, honestly, drove is crazy. I

518
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: could not stand the play, But as soon as I

519
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: went to the Sharks, he was one of my favorite blokes.

520
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: We just got on so well. Have you had any

521
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: of that at the Roosters.

522
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 3: Ideas, I'd say the first person that comes to mind

523
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 3: is Victor Radley. Have had nothing to do with Rads

524
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: before I got to the Roosters. Maybe meet him in

525
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: passing a handful of times for an Aussie toour he

526
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: come away for us for a little sort of Minia version.

527
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 3: I guess so, sort of twenty eighteen nineteen period, So

528
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 3: he was amongst this squad then, but he was a

529
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: bit younger and sort of Yeah, we just didn't have

530
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: a lot to do with each other. But yeah, now

531
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 3: he's a massive part of the Roosters. He's a leader,

532
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: he's a hard trainer, he has high expectations of himself

533
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: and the people around him, And I guess there was

534
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 3: a lot of me that just thought he was Alarican.

535
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 3: And he's still quite funny, There's no doubt about it.

536
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 3: Rads has got a great way with making a session

537
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 3: lighter when it needs to be lighter when it comes

538
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 3: to humor. But yeah, just didn't realize that deep down

539
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 3: there's this fellow there that is just highly competitive and

540
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 3: wants to get the best out of himself and the

541
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: people around him.

542
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: I suppose you don't make it, do you. You don't

543
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: make it in the NL if you just have Yeah,

544
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: that that larryn figure. What about? What about? Was there

545
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: any hazing so to speak? You know, when you get

546
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: in there, you got the new guy who's arrived or anything.

547
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: Was anything like any shenanigans like that, any practical jokes

548
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: been played on it?

549
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 3: No, not not enough early, that's for sure, which makes

550
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 3: you sort of like, sh yeah, what's going on?

551
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 4: Hate me?

552
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 3: But they Yeah, I think there was. You know, I

553
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: just felt a huge lot of respect and love from

554
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: all of the boys when I got there early. But

555
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 3: after a little while, Yeah, then the joke starts to come.

556
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: Have you the nicknames?

557
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: Can you ask Trent Robinson something?

558
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: Right? So on? Behalf of you?

559
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a personal close personal friend. I ask you

560
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: if you remember this next to me of training, So

561
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: Christian Welch, who you played sat Roger Welchie once stitched

562
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: up Harry, Harry wanted our yoga instructor. He wanted to

563
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: ask me Ha the yoga instructor involved with the storm.

564
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: He wanted to ask her a question for this nech

565
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: nically he had. And he asked Welchie for the for

566
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: the number and he was like, yeah, you're sweet. Welchi

567
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: gave him Trent Robinson's number. Don't know why Welchi had

568
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: Robbo's number. Potentially he may have been trying to switch clubs. Yeah, aha.

569
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: And then anyway, Harry's texted like asking this sort of

570
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: physical therapy question to the yoga instructor and fair play

571
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: to Trent Robinson. He goes, oh, yes, mate, So what

572
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: you can do for that is he goes sit cross legged,

573
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: naked on the ground and fill up half a glass

574
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: of milk and put it on your forehead and sit

575
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: there and meditate for thirty to forty minutes and usually

576
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: that'll fix up the muscles in your neck.

577
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: And Harry goes, what.

578
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: Married and click on and he was like, he.

579
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: Goes this is legit.

580
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: I said, I can't be.

581
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: There's no way that's legit.

582
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: And he sent it into the group chat and one

583
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: of the boys come back with, fuck, that's Trent Robinson's dumb.

584
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: And then two weeks later we played the Roosters and

585
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: Robo went up the Welchie in the hallway and he goes,

586
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: don't you fucking give my number out again? Seriously apparently,

587
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: and she was rattled. It was right before they were

588
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: about to play Welch. She comes and goes, Robot hates.

589
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: It's actually a really good gap from him.

590
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: Chairs, Like my last year I had at Newcastle was

591
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: really was I found, like I'm curious from youring was

592
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: a tough year. I looked back at it and I

593
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: just didn't enjoy it. It's one of my great regrets.

594
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: I didn't enjoy it at all. And I could see,

595
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: you know, there was so much going on at the

596
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: club and everything. What about yourself? Chairs, do you look

597
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: back that last after so many unbelievable years of mainly

598
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: that last year with there was so much going on.

599
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: Just to give you a regret a bit.

600
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: Nothing that comes to mind. I mean, I really wish

601
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: we had been able to make the finals. That was

602
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: one thing that deep down when I knew it was

603
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: my last year at Manley, I would love to have

604
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: been a finals campaign.

605
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 4: I really do.

606
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: Mainly obviously because that's exactly what we're trying to do

607
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: each season, is to get into the finals and give

608
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 3: yourself a chance to win a premiership. But the friendships

609
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 3: that we've got within the group, it just would have

610
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: been a nice way for us to finish. But you know,

611
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: you just don't get those fairy tales unless you know,

612
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: you put the right work in and get it all

613
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: right on the footy field, and we just didn't.

614
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: Did you start to feel towards like, you know, the

615
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: last couple of years at Manly, like you're thinking yourself, yeah,

616
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: you know, I might need a change, you know, you

617
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: know a lot of most players may go to England

618
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: where you've decided to shift to the roosters. Did you

619
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: have that feeling a little bit?

620
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there was definitely something there for the last

621
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: few years. And it wasn't I've got to leave Manly.

622
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: It was more like when on finished footy, what's next?

623
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: And then as I continued to play footy, I guess

624
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: what happened was I just got this thing withinside of

625
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: me that was like, maybe this next thing is not

626
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: different to rugby league. Maybe it's in rugby league and

627
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: it's somewhere else. And that thought had never crossed my mind.

628
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: I always deep down thought, manly, start to finish, that's

629
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: going to be it, ye, And it just over time

630
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: there was just something there and I got I reckon.

631
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: My understanding of it is that I am a person.

632
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: I'm a very curious person, and I do believe my

633
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: time in camps talking to players from other clubs just

634
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 3: kept sparking that curiosity. And over time, like I said,

635
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: I thought maybe it was going to finish somewhere else

636
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 3: and maybe like in a different code, doing something overseas

637
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: or super leaguesin whatever it was. For a long time,

638
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: I didn't think it'd be at another club in the NRL.

639
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's funny. These things just have a way

640
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 3: of manifesting and before you know it.

641
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: I'll ask you if you are one of the first

642
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: guys to ever sign one of these, And we started

643
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: to see more of it. Ten year deal that was

644
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: just massive at the time you came in twenty eleven.

645
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: You just win the competition mainly have a number of

646
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: really good years. But then, mainly, as is the way

647
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: we salary cap, all of a sudden mainly got to

648
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: start to shed some players, and you know, you're in

649
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: a situation where you're about to leave the club. But

650
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: then the Great Bob Fulton gets back involved and realizes

651
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: the importance of you at that club, and then you

652
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: guys go and strike this which still no one really

653
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: had an idea exactly what the deal was. It a

654
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: ten year deal, was an open edited What was the

655
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: nature of that deal? And how like, how was the

656
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: negotiations with Bozo because he can make the late Great

657
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: Bob Fulton mate, he could be he could go at you.

658
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 3: Very convincing, very convincing man. Yeah, so my relationship with

659
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: Bob was very much non existent until he was I

660
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: don't know the context, but he was reintroduced back to

661
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: the club, I guess, to sort of get things back

662
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: on track. So yeah, I was done, signed, sealed, delivered

663
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: at the.

664
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: Goldie Titans yet and by the way, you interested, and

665
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 4: it was just.

666
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: It was a long process because it was over months.

667
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 3: Because I was so stubborn in that don't mainly knew

668
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: the rules. Bob knew the rules we've gotten till this date.

669
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: I can't remember the date exactly, but call it June.

670
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: Whatever.

671
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: He knows they've got till this time that they can

672
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: get me to renege on the deal and then stay.

673
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: So he's working in the background with management and I'm

674
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: just saying I don't want to hear it.

675
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear it.

676
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: And then I got asked just to sit down. Just

677
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: give him the time and day, give him the respect.

678
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: So there was there an end date to the contract.

679
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: Was it specifically ten years because that time people are going,

680
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: you know, what is the nature of the contract is

681
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: open ended?

682
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: It was an eight year deal, and I thought that

683
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: was going to get me to retire.

684
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: It did that was because you and Jason Tamal.

685
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: It might have been genuinely at ten.

686
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah he was ten him and there was another player

687
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: that a tend but j two, he was ten years.

688
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 4: That's been yeah, you No.

689
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't. I don't know that happened before I got there,

690
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: changed the subject that I'm not exactly sure she's good ownership.

691
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was val Homes. I thought

692
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: for a second that two players that signed it.

693
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't our because they went to the NFL. There

694
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: the I don't know what, I don't know, I know,

695
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: but what's up? I actually wanted to ask you, sorry.

696
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: In terms of that eight year deal, had anyone in

697
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: your generation signed what was the longest contract? Back then?

698
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 3: Super League? Were they signing.

699
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: Long There were some Super League was signing some people

700
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: a long year deals, So like Ricky Ricky Stewart have

701
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: I think he had a seven year deal. Other here

702
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: there's some six, seven, eight year deals. Andrew and I

703
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: we signed a five year. The standard was probably around

704
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: five years for people. But there were a few big,

705
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: big deals and I'll tear what makes some people made

706
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: some money because and I don't want to know, but

707
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: there was a couple of really iconic players and they

708
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: signed a Super League deal to specifically play at the

709
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: club they were at, let's call it Canbra. No, but

710
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: they signed a deal. There was a player, an iconic

711
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: player who signed a Super League deal with Canbra and

712
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 2: part of it and it was big, big money. Look,

713
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: it was probably close to a million dollars, but I'm guessing,

714
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: but around would have been that around that mark, and

715
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: I think it was. I think it was seven or

716
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: eight years or something like that. But the deal was

717
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: he had to play Canberra. Well what happened Camber let

718
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: him go and Camber at the time not really not really,

719
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: you know, dot and the ice crossing the two. He's

720
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: realizing the very nature of the contract, like the small print,

721
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: and the Bulldogs signed this player. So he went to

722
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: the Bulldogs. I think the Bulldogs would have played about

723
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: seven fifty eight hundred and then they went back to

724
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: the management. His manager went back and said to the Raiders, Hey, guys,

725
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: looks something here. This is part of the deal. So

726
00:34:59,200 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: he got two ways.

727
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: Oh so he got paid both. I think I know

728
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: the player is her current car.

729
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: Nothing extep. These were some of the things happen in

730
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: the Super League war. There were a number, probably a

731
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: decade ago, there were a few five year deals, none

732
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: of them en did well. Remember Brent Sherwan signing fifteen

733
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: years ago, signed a five year deal. Craig Gower signed

734
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: a five year deal. Both players, I don't think reached

735
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: the end of that.

736
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: And did they if when the super League folded, like

737
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: the players that signed seven year deals or long term

738
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: deals with the Super League, did they get paid out

739
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: for that?

740
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got paid. It's nice jeezu.

741
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: Were you guys were lucky back then to play?

742
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: Then some people just get kicked up the ars by rainbows.

743
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: You mentioned rugby like playing different codes before?

744
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: Was it?

745
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: And when you when you decided it was going to

746
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: be last year at Manley last year, did you think

747
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: at all that maybe like overseas union, that sort of

748
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: cross code thing.

749
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: I reckon not so much just recently, but definitely had

750
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 3: periods of that later part of my career. I thought, okay, yeah,

751
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 3: you know, time at Manly's probably coming on in soon.

752
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: Rugby league is going to be all over, so you

753
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: know what's next? Is there something I can get away

754
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: with on like a life experience sort of level where

755
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: I can go away still competitively play, but you know

756
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: you're going away with your family and doing something really

757
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: cool for a short term period.

758
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: And what was that? Was that like any conversations that

759
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: went not really?

760
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 3: No, No, I've never never genuinely engaged in anything.

761
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: Japanese Ragon.

762
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 3: If you've got a few, I'm sure there's I'm sure.

763
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: An excellent kicking game and off both feet. My question

764
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: is to you off the both feet thing, are you ampidexterous.

765
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 3: No, you just learned just my dad hamming me out

766
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: in the backyard. Just go practice both feet, both feet feet. Yeah,

767
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: it was dad's idea. Yeah. So he was pretty yeah,

768
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: pretty ruthless with it.

769
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: Is he disciplinarian like my dad.

770
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: Calm down, I'll give you the belt again. You're not

771
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: too old for that treatment.

772
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: Look mainly at the moment, there's a lot going on there.

773
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you a great mate, Kieran Foreign

774
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: he's now the head coach of it. Yeah, they've just

775
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: had an excellent win over the Dolphins. Looked a completely

776
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: different side. Paul Seeds would have been a homegoing Where

777
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: was that when I was coaching? My question to you

778
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: is if you were still at Manly. Wouldn't know if

779
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: you're still at Manly now because you and follow some

780
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: people coach, you know, people that they play within the

781
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: back end of their career, like Benji would have played

782
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: with a few people who's coaching. But you guys are

783
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: there together day one. He's actually two years younger than

784
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: you follows. Would that have been weird if he was

785
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: coaching you?

786
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: I don't think it would have been, only because their

787
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: relationship is so strong. That's why I I reckon it

788
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 3: would have worked for us. And it's easy to say

789
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 3: because it's a hypothetical, but I'd have no dramas. I

790
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: was taking orders from him and we were playing alongside

791
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: of each other. If you look at our relationship and

792
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 3: what he was like as a player, he was really

793
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 3: direct to the point and knew exactly what he was

794
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 3: going into a game to do for not just his

795
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 3: own game, but the people around him. And at times

796
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: if I didn't toe the line like he would spray me.

797
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: No dramas at all. So I've got I reckon it'd

798
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: be a great relationship.

799
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: How do you reckon he'd feel because it would probably

800
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: would have been the first ever coach player relationship where

801
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: the coach is younger than the senior playoffs and I

802
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: don't think that that would have never have been a thing.

803
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: Right, And I feel good was Guss is the youngest

804
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: bloke to ever win in our role Premiership. Gus wanted

805
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: to twenty eight. I think wow. With Bulldogs he would

806
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: have had a number of as a coach. He's yes,

807
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 2: as coach he'd had a couple of key players older

808
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: than him.

809
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: Oh wow. When Trent Robinson won in twenty thirteen at

810
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: the Roosters. I'm going to say he was early thirties.

811
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: He would have been far off him.

812
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, many it would have been.

813
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was older, but it's probably

814
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: the same.

815
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: All But how radically different Adas Hasler and Trent Robinson

816
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: are they like, you know too of you know, like

817
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: a guy Des has, no doubt probably been your biggest

818
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: influence as far as the coach compared to Robbo, Like,

819
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: how do they how do they sort of stuck up against?

820
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon, There's there's things that you can compare

821
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 3: the way that they coach. I'd say they both believe

822
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: in the structures and systems that they've got or philosophies

823
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: of the game. I think that's probably the best way

824
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 3: to put it. There's philosophies within how they see the

825
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: game and it's done most effectively. Des had some really

826
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: strong beliefs. On one he believed, you know, attack and

827
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: defense should look like and Trent the same. So I

828
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: really appreciate it coach like those two in particular, who

829
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: have just been so very strong in their beliefs. And

830
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: I think the other part within that was both of

831
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 3: them and I've only been working alongside Robo for a

832
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: short time, but they both empower you to make sure

833
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 3: that yeah we've got this yep, but you still have

834
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 3: to be you. I think that's really important.

835
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: Des is an unpredictable character. He's an elusive guy. You know,

836
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm incredibly secret and I imagine a difficult guy to

837
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: sometimes know, which is probably what would have been one

838
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: of his strengths to understand is to play where the

839
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: line was at times? What were the things like? For instance,

840
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: if I'm coming in first day at Manly back in

841
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: the day Dees's coach. You want a captain and I

842
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: gave it, and you want to give me some advice

843
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: on Dez what to do to impress DearS and what

844
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: absolutely not to do otherwise you know, your face, his wrath,

845
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: what were they being.

846
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: Ah, that's a tricky one. I'd say, what to do?

847
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 3: What to do? It seems like, yeah, well he loves

848
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: his footing yep, so what to do? Well, ask him

849
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: what his expectations of you are straight away. That'd be

850
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: a good start with Dez and get that boundary of

851
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 3: what he wants to see out of you, and then

852
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: what you can go after.

853
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: Yep, and then what not to do mistackled I imagine image,

854
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: imagine having a background and strength conditioning, and that was

855
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: the that was the cornerstone of his success as a player.

856
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: So I can I can only imagine if you turned

857
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 2: up at training and you're being a little bit tardy,

858
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: be all over you.

859
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 3: Yeah he was, he was. He was hilarious. Dos he

860
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: He'd have obviously high expectations in pre season in particular

861
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: of how a training session should look and the intensity

862
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: within it all. And I still remember one day we

863
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: were doing a bit more of a middle focused thrill

864
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: and within that it sort of takes up the middle

865
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: part of the field. It's sort of very high contact

866
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: and sort of simulates game speed sort of stuff. So

867
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: within that I reckon it was Jack Gajefski and he

868
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: was in a tackle and there was an offload and

869
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: Des ran from the side of the drill into the

870
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: drill and was running through the drill yelling at Jack,

871
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: why are you letting them offloads in the way, But

872
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 3: he didn't care.

873
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 4: He was just into him.

874
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: He was great. So if he had an expectation and

875
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: if he felt like that you needed to be better.

876
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: Sometimes it was that it was in the middle of

877
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 3: a drill. Sometimes the drill would start again, and sometimes

878
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 3: you just come and grab you one on one. I

879
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: need to tell you, I need more from you.

880
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: But I love I love the story. I think it

881
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: was when we had Locky Croker's birthday one time. We

882
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: used to Big Croker Birthday and we do a pub

883
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: crawl and Kurt de lewis katl who you would have

884
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: played with a manly. He plays a bit of reserve

885
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: grade now.

886
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: Up in Burley. I believe Katie one of the greatest,

887
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: one of the great to be there.

888
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: Can't run to save his life. He's bow legged, so

889
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: he sort of runs in a very awkward way. But

890
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: he described his time at mainly that there was a

891
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: few one on one sessions in his office with Dez.

892
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: Apparently Dez was like he wasn't happy with some because

893
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: you think he made his debut and some of his

894
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: contact was a little bit loose, not really stepping into

895
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: his contact and really hitting and trying to drive them back,

896
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: trying to catch on a restaurant on their back. And

897
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: apparently Katiel says, mate, he had me in there one

898
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: day for half an hour and he was just saying,

899
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: run at me, run at me, and Katie would run

900
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: at him, and Dez was showing him what it felt

901
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: like to have someone actually trying to hit you.

902
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 2: Jimmy Graham said he walked into an office once and

903
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 2: he had a young player literally pinned on the ground

904
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: like he was wrestling. He said, it was almost like,

905
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: oh my god, what have I walked on?

906
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: Remember we had Jakie on.

907
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 5: Jakie said the bungalows up there at twin waters Man

908
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 5: when we were all living up there together, all the teams,

909
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 5: and they reckon. One of the cleaners might have walked

910
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 5: in on De's mid wrestle session with Jake on the

911
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 5: hardwood floors.

912
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 2: Which one of you guys is Mummy. You're obviously not mummy, Jacob.

913
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: He was. He's a great coach. I got a lot

914
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: out of DESSI and a lot of that was that

915
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 3: direct feedback.

916
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 4: He was unreal.

917
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: But there was a softer side Todas, which is great,

918
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: the comedy side in him. For as much as he

919
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: was serious, he genuinely enjoyed when the boys were window him.

920
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: What about the time, Coop, We're up in Newcastle the

921
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: Knights are playing the Bulldogs, that night, and I've gone

922
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: on Triple MP and they asked me on triple and

923
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: who I think will win? And I've just gone yeah,

924
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: blah blah blah Newcastle because of A B and C.

925
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: So we arrive at a Newcastle. I think you're in

926
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: the passenger seat, Jack Hue, Jacker anyway, phone anyway, it's

927
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: dairs and not going to be happy about this. So

928
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: I did Jack, I did that, Jack steps. There was

929
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 2: a lot of that through my childhood.

930
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

931
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: And when bang, Hey Daisy, Maddie, how are you? I said, yeah, dassy,

932
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 2: going good mate? How the boys come along? Yeah, we're

933
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: going good. Listen, I'm going to cut to the chase.

934
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: I listened to your radio show, right, I listened to

935
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: it most days. Oh yeah, yep, yep, yep, he goes, yeah,

936
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: And I'm going right anyway, made what do I do?

937
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: I put a full scap paper on the seat next

938
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: to me, and I have I have two columns, and

939
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: whenever you take a caller, I have a column and

940
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: a male and female column. So for a man rings,

941
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: I still strike against the male side, and that goes.

942
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: I've been doing this study for the last six months

943
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: and I estimate probably eighty percent of your listeners are men. Yep, yep,

944
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: that'd be right deasy anyway, Daisy, mate, away, what can

945
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 2: I help you with? DESI what's doing? He goes, no, Mate,

946
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 2: I just wanted to pass that.

947
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 4: On the AI.

948
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: It was dead said it was Soberzarre. It's almost like

949
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: a Mathia type threat though it's like I've been you know,

950
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: It's like I'm listening, I just want I'm just here.

951
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: It's just like a little weight on the back. It's

952
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: like a hand on the back of the shoulder, just

953
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: so you know I'm there.

954
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: And then another time he ranged me right and we're

955
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: talking something going on at the time. And again on

956
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: trip Lamb, I just said, look, there's some coaches that

957
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 2: need to give more to the media something something, Maddie.

958
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: How I am so good, Daisy, you know how's trition?

959
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: The boys? Oh there's are going really good. Mate, listen

960
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: to your comments about you know, some of the coaches,

961
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: and Mate, I couldn't agree with him more. Some need to.

962
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what, Maddie, fucking some of the

963
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: people in the mood. And he just started fucking screaming.

964
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: I just met two or three minutes and I'm going

965
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: there's this, this, this, stop you talking to me. Oh sorry,

966
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: these things just fire me.

967
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: Oh he's an angry man because I went he was

968
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: at your wedding, and I made a couple of jokes

969
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: about him, and I remember, like everyone was laughing at

970
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: this one joke because I think I said, uh, I

971
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: sometimes get nervous during public speaking. So a good tip

972
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: my granddad once taught me was imagine everyone the audience naked,

973
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: so so on that note, like I was pointed to,

974
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: like your in laws or something like that, I said,

975
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,479
Speaker 1: you look at you look amazing and Dez, I didn't

976
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: know you had like a landing strip.

977
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 4: Ever, I laughed.

978
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: I looked down at my notes to see where am

979
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: I going with this next, and then I looked up

980
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: and Des and his wife just were staring at me,

981
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: not like, not laughing at all, and I don't know.

982
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: So then for the rest of the night I just

983
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: avoided him.

984
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: Who's the Who's the best player you played alongside?

985
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's a trick.

986
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: That's truck. You can name a couple, but blokes you've

987
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: been alongside And just said, mate, you know where I

988
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: what a player?

989
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: Yep, the first one that always comes to mind when

990
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 3: I get asked. Is maybe because they're in a different position.

991
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: But I always admired g I. I love g I

992
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: just the way that he could move. He could physically

993
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: beat someone with a palm or run over them, or

994
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 3: he could get you with footwork and then completely leave

995
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: you in Did.

996
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: You play it on his side, like when you played

997
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: Representative with him?

998
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 3: With him you were his half or you were sure

999
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: if I played a great deal next to him. He

1000
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: was always a left side player, so I didn't play

1001
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: a lot of footing next to GI, but really admired him,

1002
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: really admired him. JT was the other one that always

1003
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: comes up. I loved playing alongside JT, but also watching

1004
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 3: him play yep is competitive nature being out there.

1005
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: With JT as a half. Is he a big talker

1006
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: or is he kind of just reactive, Like does he

1007
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: organize a lot of stuff or he's just out there

1008
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: and then when he gets foot in his hands like

1009
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: brilliance kind of cat.

1010
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 3: I would say, like most tars not for everyone, but JT.

1011
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: I feel like watching him his natural ability was his

1012
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: biggest strength at the start, Like the way that he

1013
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 3: just played the game. He could pop up wherever he wanted.

1014
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 3: The end, he was obviously he was an amazing halfback.

1015
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: He could steer a whole team around. So I don't

1016
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 3: know if that's a fair analysis, but I reckon the

1017
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: way he turned into a great halfback by the end,

1018
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: but his biggest strength wasn't that at the start.

1019
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 2: So how was your relationship a question like people like

1020
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 2: Cameron Smith and Cooper Kronk and Billy Slater, because you're

1021
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 2: in a manly side where they were the core of

1022
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: You're the core of the manly side. They're the core

1023
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: of a Melbourne side during where you guys had a

1024
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: pretty hooted rivalry. How was that relationship?

1025
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I was new to it and caught the

1026
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: back end of that rivalry and it was a genuine rivalry.

1027
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 4: It was great.

1028
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 3: It was those things sort of get forced a bit

1029
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: these days, but there's nothing that gets a rivalry started

1030
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: and went in and losing round finals against each other.

1031
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 3: And I was coming into first grade on the back

1032
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 3: of that, So yeah, it was I don't know if

1033
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 3: I don't know if it changed anything for anyone else,

1034
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: but I know, walking into an origin camp, I was

1035
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 3: still too young to think this is a rivalry. I

1036
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 3: was in an Origin camp about to play with Cam

1037
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: Smith and Gi and Cooper and Billy. So I was

1038
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 3: just in there ready to learn.

1039
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: Something else in your career, I run past. Oftentimes Green

1040
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: Final losses are remembered, like you know, really people hardback

1041
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: and go and will remind the players in that game.

1042
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: One that doesn't get spoken about Billy at all is

1043
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: when you guys lost to the Roosters. What you're leading

1044
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 2: at halftime?

1045
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 4: What was the score we got out to?

1046
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure the score was twenty to eight with twenty.

1047
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 4: To go, twenty to eight, we're twenty a goo?

1048
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 2: I mean twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen? Was that twenty sixteen?

1049
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 3: Twenty thirteen times?

1050
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: What a sliding doors moment? If Tubs goes on to

1051
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: win that Grand Final, like what happens? Happens? Now? Tell

1052
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 2: me about that Grand Final? What was spoken about at halftime?

1053
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: To be up twenty to and then lose it? What

1054
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: are you? What are your memories?

1055
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if it ever really got unpacked with everyone,

1056
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 3: to be fair, Yeah, it's a strange one. Yeah, I reckon.

1057
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 3: I didn't watch it for years after I didn't watch it. Yeah,

1058
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: it broke my heart every time I saw it, but

1059
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 3: I did eventually sit down one off season I reckon.

1060
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 3: It must have been a good five to six years later,

1061
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: I was in an off season, I thought, you just

1062
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: got to tackle this, You're just got to watch it. Yeah,

1063
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: so yeah, I reckon. I don't know if everyone within

1064
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: the side of that twenty thirteen side has spoken about

1065
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: I've spoken to some of the boys about it. Yeah,

1066
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 3: and it definitely stayed with them for a long time,

1067
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: that's for sure.

1068
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: They had a fair sight like that. The rooster's salary

1069
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: cap joke always gets thrown around, but if there's every

1070
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: like that was a red hot nice season.

1071
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 3: The squad they put together that Yearny.

1072
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 2: Bill wins second half, his first half was probably his

1073
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: worst half all seasons. Second half probably he's best. They

1074
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 2: lost the first game of the year to Souse, knock

1075
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: him over. Souse dominated that season until probably just before

1076
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: the finals and they started hitting the wall. You were

1077
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 2: you were Clove Churchill Medale that night. How did that

1078
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: feel to get up there to be, you know, to

1079
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: be the best's best player in the field but lose it.

1080
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: It's the only way to describe it. Is a bittersweet. Yeah,

1081
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 3: it epitomizes what that that is. It's a bittersweet. It's

1082
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: having been a kid that loves footy and watched so

1083
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 3: many people before me go up and receive a Clive

1084
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 3: Churchill I know how special it is. So I guess

1085
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 3: when I was in that moment, I didn't, in my

1086
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 3: wildest dreams, think that I was going to be up

1087
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: there on the losing side.

1088
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: So when you look, you've got Australian jersey there, you

1089
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: got your Queensland jerseys. Yeah, your Premiership win a jersey

1090
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty eleven. Where does the Clive Churchill Medal

1091
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: sit dally when you look at it? What emotion do

1092
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:54,479
Speaker 2: you feel?

1093
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: It's one of those ones. I don't think I'll truly

1094
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 3: understand till I'm done.

1095
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1096
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: I think there's so many moments and there's so many

1097
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 3: cool jerseys or games that I've been a part of,

1098
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 3: which is amazing. But I don't think I really let

1099
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: myself enjoy it all until it's done, which is a

1100
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 3: shame because I might look back on my career and go,

1101
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 3: jeez mate, you should have just sat and taken a

1102
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: breath and enjoyed it for what it is, But I

1103
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 3: guess that's always been what makes me tick is just

1104
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: I'm grateful for the opportunities I've got. But if for

1105
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: any second I stopped for too long, I'm going to

1106
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 3: lose sight of where i want to keep going.

1107
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: So let's talk about that, right We're getting dally into

1108
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: the twilight, right, Well, I'm guessing yeah, definitely, definitely. So

1109
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: one thing the Roosters are very very good at, Robbo

1110
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: and Nick Politis is planning for the future. They're so

1111
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: good at that. And I've got no doubt that you know,

1112
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: they haven't brought you wholly and solely for what you're

1113
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 2: going to do on the field in twenty twenty six.

1114
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: Where do you sit at the moment as far as

1115
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: your future concerned. Do you think you're still a chance

1116
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: to play next year? Do you see yourself more likely

1117
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 2: moving to coaching? What are you thinking?

1118
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: I would say, I definitely am not thinking this is

1119
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: my last year, yep. But I'm also sitting right on

1120
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 3: the fence where it's being open minded. I think I

1121
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: said it a couple of weeks ago in my Meatia commitments,

1122
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 3: and they said, oh, this is the first time we've

1123
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 3: got to speak to you this year? What are you

1124
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 3: doing next year?

1125
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: Four?

1126
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, But the nature of the vast everyone just

1127
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 3: wants to know. And I was really clear. If the

1128
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: Roosters decided that my best footy was done and my job,

1129
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 3: as you said, was to play this year, but also

1130
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 3: to help nurture and bring on some of the fellas

1131
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 3: that are in the squad, then that's fine with me.

1132
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 4: That's footy.

1133
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: I'm alright with that. But the competitor in me is

1134
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 3: going to back myself to keep playing as level as possible.

1135
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 3: Are you kind of just going to get to the

1136
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 3: end of the year and to see you feel out

1137
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 3: of respect to the club? I don't think I could

1138
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 3: do that. I think the club needs to know that,

1139
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 3: and they need to know with the future of the

1140
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: young fellas that are confident at the heels. And that's fine.

1141
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 3: Like I'm completely aware of where I'm at in my

1142
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: career and the landscape of it. So that's why I

1143
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: think the conversations behind closed doors will be quite natural

1144
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 3: and quite comfortable.

1145
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: Can I direct a stat to your attention right? I

1146
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: I was hoping a like this conversation came up because

1147
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: I have a stat I googled how old you were chess.

1148
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: I was surprised. I said, what, I'm friends with a

1149
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: thirty seven year old. It could be your dad, the

1150
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: oldest ever player in the NR old you know how

1151
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: old is or who it is? Whoever played NRL? Paul

1152
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: Gallon it is. It was thirty eight and thirty days

1153
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: still playing in an eral. This might just be in

1154
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: the era. But you're thirty seven now, your birthdays in February.

1155
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: If you play again next year, you're thirty eight and

1156
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: you'll be the oldest player I ever played.

1157
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 3: In that's pretty cool, pretty so what that means if

1158
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 3: you did get it? You know, I don't know. Paul

1159
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 3: Gallon sitting at home and he's got a plak up

1160
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 3: on the on the wall.

1161
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 2: Shoe pology puts in his hearing.

1162
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: A pretty cool achievement.

1163
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 3: But like to do that, I mean, like I think

1164
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: it's just that, That's all it is. It's just a

1165
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 3: cool little achieve and I wouldn't be hanging my hat

1166
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 3: on my career saying, you know, I've got to do it.

1167
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: Grand that was the oldest you might be. You'll be

1168
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: in the rocking chair. You might be in the rocking chair.

1169
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 2: I was at the Roosters and I thought time was

1170
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: up and then you wouldn't believe it, the gold goes Titans.

1171
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: After that I went to the Bulldogs.

1172
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: Knucklin Gal, what what actually? Because you're quite durable for

1173
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: somebody you haven't been, I wouldn't say you've been, similar

1174
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: to like Cameron Smith.

1175
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 3: You have.

1176
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me touch every piece of wood in

1177
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: this joint. That's not wood actually that's that's gold and

1178
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: we've just sort of lathered it. But what has been?

1179
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: Because you're also someone who's not like I would say,

1180
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, just goes home and does ice bars or

1181
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: like you, you still have fun in your life. You

1182
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: like to be with your friends and whatnot. What do

1183
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: you do away from football to like get your body right?

1184
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1185
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 3: I reckon This is I don't know if it's knowledge,

1186
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 3: but it's my way. I reckon my experience and advice

1187
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 3: passing on the young fellas. I reckon. I haven't really

1188
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 3: said it publicly much, but balance. Balance is so important.

1189
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: You've got to have the ability to be on and

1190
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 3: at training. There's certain times where you can be very

1191
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 3: serious in meetings and on the field and stuff, but

1192
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 3: there's also a great lot of time to relax and

1193
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 3: that that for me when I'm not at training is

1194
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 3: either with my family or sometimes it's just honestly not

1195
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 3: with anyone around. I think that's really important as well.

1196
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 3: And then time with the boys. I think if there's

1197
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: anything that I've got not right all the time, that's

1198
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: always a bit of a balancing act. But it's a

1199
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 3: key part of having longevity is having balance because how.

1200
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: Like the amount of circumstances where you have a player

1201
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: in there who's so gifted athletically and they do everything right,

1202
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: like they might not even drink, like they might not

1203
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: drink the whole year. They're doing ice bars and Saunders

1204
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: twice a day, but a lot of the times they're

1205
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: the ones that get the most injured.

1206
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 3: It's a hard one, isn't it.

1207
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: I played alongside of the guy he come to our

1208
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: club and he never ever got injured. I don't think

1209
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: he got injured at any point in his career. But

1210
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm going to say this completely honestly. He

1211
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: was an alcoholic. He was while he was playing, and yeah,

1212
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: he admits sometimes that when he was a younger player,

1213
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: it was just a big part of his life that

1214
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: he would actually even drink sometimes heavily than not for

1215
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: a game, yet never got injured. Like it was. He

1216
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: was just mate the stories he'd had, Like you know,

1217
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: he was at a club once and went out. He

1218
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: was at an early opener early on a Sunday morning

1219
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: and they had to play the Broncos that afternoon, and

1220
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 2: he was an early opener and a friend of the

1221
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 2: coach went up, put his hand on his shoulder and said,

1222
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you doing here? He went immediately home,

1223
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: threw himself in the shower, ring some of his teammates

1224
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 2: and said, you've got to come and pick me up

1225
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: before the game. They went and got him, got him

1226
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: some coffee, went out there, broke the record for the

1227
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: club for most tackles, got me in to the match.

1228
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: Imagine the friend of the coach.

1229
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 2: But it's just showsure like you go. I mean, they're

1230
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 2: saying lebron Jones has a bottle of red every night.

1231
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: Now he's actually just basically worked out like I can

1232
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: do that. It is just so mental.

1233
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 3: Everyone's different, right, There's obviously a roleg in edigs play.

1234
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 3: I reckon no doubt that has to have an impact

1235
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 3: on people and what their gene Pool is, but the

1236
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: mental side things muddy.

1237
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: It's huge, just everything it is.

1238
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to I want to ask you before we

1239
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: wrap it up about Queensland, queens and Marines, because you're

1240
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: a part of You're actually you're the oldest captain as well.

1241
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: Age is a real theme in this podcast for Queensland,

1242
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: but you're also a part of captaining the worst Queensland.

1243
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: It's not ever in Covid, who ended up winning the

1244
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: camp after Munthster went in after the twenty twenty Grand Final,

1245
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: who basically been drinking for two weeks straight.

1246
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 3: What was that camp like considering the environment where we

1247
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 3: weren't allowed out. We were literally in a hotel. We

1248
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 3: had a team room and then it was your own

1249
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 3: room that you could go do then otherwise we jump

1250
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 3: on a bus and go to training. So it was

1251
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 3: a really really bizarre time. A lot of the world

1252
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 3: was still moving around us, but we had to stay

1253
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 3: in this bubble. So it was a really really weird time.

1254
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 3: But I'm sure the Blues will probably be the same.

1255
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 3: It was a really really great time because of the

1256
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 3: staff and the players just completely brought into it and

1257
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 3: made a great situation out of a really uncomfortable situation

1258
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 3: was It was fun times, very very fun times.

1259
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 2: How did your family? How did your wife handle the bubble?

1260
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 2: Did they enjoy it?

1261
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 3: They kids and wife? I Reckon loved the one where

1262
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 3: we moved to Sunshine Coast. That was the great That

1263
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 3: was yeah. And I say this with the biggest respective

1264
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 3: people in COVID who couldn't leave home and lost people

1265
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 3: like our situation. We were very very lucky. We will

1266
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 3: continuing to play and which is work right, We were

1267
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 3: able to work, which is play footy and live in Queensland.

1268
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 2: Ye, incredible time, incredible that you blokes were part of

1269
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: the three U blokes to actually be able. You'll be

1270
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: able to tell people one day your grand Jordan just

1271
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 2: say mate, when this virus hit the world and completely

1272
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 2: shut the world down. You know, our comp we were

1273
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 2: able to work because we all moved into a compound.

1274
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: The whole conetition. It is unbelieved.

1275
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: It is weird when you look back on it now,

1276
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: it feels like ages ago now, but it's like it's

1277
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: like the modern day black plague, Like people just freaking out.

1278
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it was, you know, and you think

1279
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 2: about all the time, like they always say the earth

1280
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: has a correction, Mother Nature will correct, and they oftentimes

1281
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 2: talk about viruses to hit hit the earth and decimate,

1282
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 2: which control population.

1283
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 4: Abe.

1284
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: It's just that we've become so good with you know,

1285
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 2: as far as medicine and science are concerned, that we've

1286
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: beaten the first time we've beaten it one. It's one nill.

1287
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 3: Mother Nature had to crack the other night after the

1288
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 3: Manly Rooster's game, influx of boils across both sides.

1289
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, shocking boils because because of the wet weather.

1290
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 3: I don't know enough about medicine. But can you help

1291
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 3: me how both sides on a rainy night at Brookie.

1292
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: We have asked the right person, Maddie.

1293
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 2: I usually only deal with things like syphilis. But I

1294
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 2: have a crack.

1295
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: We should bring the boil. See if he picks up,

1296
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: we'll ring Tino. He's actually the boiler.

1297
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: Well, they say, well, I think boils. I think it

1298
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: would have just.

1299
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: Been rubbing up again, right, what happens every game?

1300
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: Or is it or were they boils? Or was it

1301
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Speaker 2: were the boils a byproduct of blood poisoning? Because it

1302
01:02:58,840 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: could be blood poised?

1303
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: They say, boil is in your it's in your blood

1304
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: and then when you get like a half a nick

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Speaker 1: or something, that's when it just erupts.

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01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 2: That's that's it's happened. I'd say, there's grass and everything

1307
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: going on. It's blood poisoning which has resulted in boils.

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01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: That'll onnely cosh, there's your prescription.

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01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 4: Go well, let my teammates.

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01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: Now, let's ring anyway because he's he'll he's the ring king,

1311
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: he's the boil king.

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Speaker 3: And the.

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Speaker 1: And we'll leave him my voicemail. If he doesn't pick up.

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01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: I'll use I'll leave him abaus mail box number Osship.

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01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: If you can't, I realized that I can't belave voice

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Speaker 1: as number out of dally.

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01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 2: Look on that, mate. We'll let you get back to

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01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: the family. We're doing this on a eastern Monday. Yeah. Yeah,

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01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 2: taking away from the family, mate. Really appreciate your time. Look,

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01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 2: and you've got a long way to go, Like you said,

1321
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 2: there's not necessarily going to be a final year. But

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Speaker 2: congratulations on your career.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so far.

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01:03:58,360 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: But there's a plenty of want to go road to

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01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: road to forty I say.

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Speaker 2: And if you and your wife are thinking about renewing

1328
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 2: your vows, maybe think about another MCU I am available.

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Speaker 1: He's expensive. Is yay Way or expensive mane you bet

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Speaker 1: you