WEBVTT - 🧪The Truth About Retinoids (With Dr. Natasha Cook) 🧪 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.160 Hey beauties, It's Jamie Joe and Jesse Massou and welcome 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:15.040 to Skinfluence, a podcast dedicated to beauty, fashion and self love, 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:17.480 turning your weakness into your uniqueness. 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.200 Before we get started, we'd like to acknowledge the custodians 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:22.720 of the land on which we record the gallical people 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:23.720 of the Urination. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:26.720 In today's episode, we have our very first guest on 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.880 the pod. We will be speaking with doctor Natasha Cook. Now. 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:33.159 Doctor Natasha Cook has a Bachelor of Medicine with honors 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.400 and is a Fellow of the Australasian College of Dermatologists. 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:41.240 Doctor Cook is passionate about all things skin, specializing in lasers, injectables, 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:45.280 skin care, skin cancer and the six key skin concerns aging, 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.040 sun damage, acne, sensitivity and dehydration. 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.479 Doctor Cook is also the founder and leading dermatologists at 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:55.440 Skin Laser, Longevity, Dormatology and health Span Clinic in Sydney, 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.440 as well as the Face Bar by Doctor NC Laser 0:00:58.480 --> 0:00:59.240 and Skin Clinic. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:03.120 She also so is recognized as the first Australian dermatologist 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.560 to have founded and formulated a skincare range. A pioneer 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.480 driven by a passion to help people lead their best 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:10.360 skin life. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.920 So please welcome doctor ENC to Skinfluence. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.280 I'm really excited to be here, Jesse and Jamie, and 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.759 thank you for having me. It's an absolute pleasure. I'm 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.039 looking forward to answering all of those questions more than 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:22.600 skin deep. 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:24.840 Well, we're so happy to have you here. Having you 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.120 on this party is just amazing, and you guys are 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:28.800 gonna learn so so so much today. 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:29.120 Yeah. 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:30.440 I actually crossed. 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.080 Paths with doctor NC maybe two years ago, and. 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.279 She actually set me on my trajectory to like really 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.800 balancing out my hormones and figuring out what was wrong 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:40.840 with my skin, what was wrong with my hair. And 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.640 she took me so seriously more than any other doctor 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.480 that I had been to. She got me all the 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:47.880 right blood tests done, which no one else had done 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.880 before that. So I'm really thankful for you because you 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.720 actually like changed everything for me healthwise. 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.920 Well, I have to say, I'm really overwhelmed to hear that, 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.360 and that's one of the nicest things I've heard. Nice 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.560 because you know, being a dermatologist and a specialist, I 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:06.640 think people really underestimate the level of the training, the education, 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.680 and how prescriptive we actually are beyond what the skin 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.399 is presenting visually, and how most things are interconnected when 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:15.920 it comes to looking at people as a whole and definitively. 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:17.880 I always have a holistic approach to everything I do, 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.040 but particularly my patients, their care, their welfare, and trying 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:22.280 to get their best skin self. 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.840 Well, I'm really excited for this because there's so much 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.600 misinformation on the Internet. We hear the craziest things about 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.360 so many different skincare topics, so I cannot wait to 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.400 have some really good answers that clear everything up for 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:35.880 you guys exactly. 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.760 And today we really want to tackle the topic of retinoids, 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.800 which I know nothing about it exactly, so I'm super 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:44.720 keen for this. But I just see a lot on 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:49.240 Instagram and TikTok of younger girls using products with retinoids 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.320 in it and how it's like completely transform their skin. 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.680 And then I also see thirteen year olds buying the 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.920 drunk Elephant products and using it on their baby fit 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.200 all these active ingredients, and yeah, we'd love to clear. 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:00.919 The air with all of that. So, first of all, 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:02.280 what is a retinoid? 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.760 I have this experience with patients coming into seeing every 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:10.480 single day of misunderstanding misinformation, TikTok trends, overuse for the 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.400 wrong products. I'm not really understanding what they're meant to 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.320 be doing, because unfortunately, we live in an era nowadays 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.400 that just because you have skin does not make you 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:24.000 an expert. I'm just saying, like, sometimes I get totally gasly. 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.320 It's like I had to read a ton of textbooks that, 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.960 honestly that were incredibly confusing and took me about six 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:33.400 years to master. So unfortunately, nowadays, with TikTok social media, 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.520 people can get online it's unsolicited and anybody can be 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.760 appeared to be very inverted commas influential. Yeah, it doesn't 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.080 necessarily mean they really understand what's going on. And the 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.600 skin is one of the most complicated specialties to study. 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.760 So let's now I diverse. Let's go back into retinoids. Ye, 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.720 So retinoids fundamentally is a term. It's an umbrella term, 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.840 so put at the top of the tree, which means 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.160 a form a group of vitamin A molecules. Now, vitamin 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.880 A then comes in different molecular structures that have different 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.480 capacities to work in different areas in the body, and 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.240 the retinoid family has a strong capacity to have key 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.880 beneficial results for skin. Now, in that and brother terms 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.440 sitting under it are your ingredients, your different formats of 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:24.960 those vitamin A substrates, retinal retinol, retino palmitate, that my 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:29.000 rectonomic acid, and so the thing is the real ingredient 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:32.599 that binds to the receptors, it's retino acid, and that's 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.039 the prescription form and that's what the pioneering research over 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.160 forty something years has been going on for. Yet it's 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:43.560 an oldie and a goodie retine. Also, in all formats, 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:48.800 retinoids are very unstable. They degrade in sunlight, they don't 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.000 do well when exposed to air. So what you're getting 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.000 in a jar can be really tricky, which is why 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:59.520 I do favor the prescription format because it's a gold standard. Proply, 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.840 it's a cream. It's a cream, yeah yeah, So that 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:04.880 they come in creams and some come in gels. Right, 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.520 So creams and gels tends to be the vehicles, vehicles 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:11.279 meaning delivery system when we talk about formulation to get delivered. 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.480 So nowadays, because it's very much a and I'm going 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:20.280 to bring up my businesses money, huh, it is, everybody's 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.480 trying to make a retinal serum because now the education 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.320 out there is everybody needs to use it, but it 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.960 doesn't mean it's the best format for your skin. And 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:30.440 interestingly enough, the good old fashioned prescription of type is 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:34.640 heaps cheaper and probably works better when prescribed properly. So 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.560 I think we're living in a society of status image 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.920 gone wrong. Like, you know, we're now getting younger and 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.760 younger people concerned about the impacts of aging and they 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.600 haven't any hit puberty. Well that's crazy, you know. And 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.560 so I think there is this hysteria of like skincare 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.960 and how I look and these precious and social media 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:59.240 and photographs and selfie syndrome gone wrong, And so it's 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.680 propagating this need to maybe be doing things that you 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.120 don't actually need because your skin's fabulous. Yeah. Now, then 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.600 there's the other group of skin problem people, right, And 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.440 so obviously we see acne in breakouts and congestion and 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.840 blackeads and white heads and blacket and white heads are 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.520 a subset of acne. That's the umbrella term there. And 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.160 so I think those younger people who've got problems might 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.919 be looking for solutions due to influence by influencers et cetera, 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.440 and looking at these retinol retinal over the counter itamin 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.359 a's as a quick fixed stop. The problem is there's 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:31.520 no guidance, there's no education, and there's no prescriptive help 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.840 with designing the topical regime to address the acne, and 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.520 then that can create overuse, wrong things chaos, and then 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.200 we often see a plethora of skin problems and the 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.080 wrong skin routine right down from just how you're cleansing. 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.720 Sometimes cleansing is the biggest mistake we make and it 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:56.000 can set us up the sensitivity, irritation, parificialdom titus, worst acne, rosea, sha, aging, inflammation, 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:57.560 the list goes off. 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.400 So it seems super daunting from an outside perspective when 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.800 there's so much knowledge that you're not aware of, and 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.720 then people are looking online to kind of build a 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.600 skin caroutine. It just seems like you can go so wrong. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.560 So it's really good to go to somebody if you're 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:16.360 having any of those skin issues to actually create a 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.400 proper skin care routine that suits your skin, that isn't 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.040 going to damage your skin damage skin barrier. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.320 Yeah. Look, you importantly use the key term, which is 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.600 something that I think we've really been understanding from a 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:33.360 dermatological science angle, the role of the skin barrier, which 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:35.960 is the outer layer of our skin. Our skin organ 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.840 which is also known as the integumentary system, is the 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.400 biggest organ in the body. Wow, And so that barrier 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.480 layer is designed to keep the bad stuff out and 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.800 the good stuff in. Yeah, so wh're washing or scrubbing 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.600 or overusing the wrong ingredients and the wrong combinations and 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.560 the wrong routines. Flaky dry skin equals dysfunctional barrier. So 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.240 it means outside things are getting in and the inside 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.720 things can't stay there to feed the skin with a 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.320 numbishment that it needs. But we do know it's pretty 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.400 normal for skin to get a little bit worse before 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.720 it gets better because we're reprogramming, because the skin is 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.240 its own metabolic unit. 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:10.480 Okay, so what sense? 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.640 Yeah, what are signs that maybe it's not doing that 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.720 process but it's actually just reacting badly to a product. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.840 Right, So more overt irritation. So vitamin in a way 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:25.560 is not totally irritating. It all depends on how it's prescribed, right, 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.960 So if it's upregulating a cell turnover but using it 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.480 too much, it can get a bit flaky and a 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.760 bit sensitive and a bit irritating to feel. So if 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.319 your skin's feeling tight, if it's feeling sorts, feeling tender, 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.280 if it's stinging, if it's flaky, if it's red, pull 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:46.080 off your actives right, gentle cleansing and moisturizing to let 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.280 that barrier system reheal its itself. If your skin looks healthy, 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:54.559 feels healthy, doesn't have any sensitivity associated with it, it 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.720 means your skin's tolerating your choice of products. So if 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.680 in doubt, always go and check it out. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:02.880 I like that, that's good. 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:03.520 I love. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.680 So when would you prescribe these kind of retinoids? 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.720 Yeah, look, I mean proper prescription because it's in the 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:15.040 right format. It's been TJ approved, and it's going to 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:16.839 be in a stable format because it has to get 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.800 TJ approval. You're not going to buy a sunscreen off 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.120 the shelf if it hasn't gone through right testing. I 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.080 think I'm not saying over the counter vitamin A is bad, 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.840 but I'm just saying, if you've got problematic skin, and 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:29.520 if we've got the best choice in life, in the 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.959 gold standard, the prescription is the way to go, right. 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.000 But not everybody has access to dermatologists or doctors who 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.200 are able to prescribe that. So I understand there's a 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.440 big demand to go to the OTC or over the 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:40.120 counter options. 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.760 Hello, let's producer Zander here. I actually have a question 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:48.520 because I actually use a prescription retinoid, and I wanted 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.760 to run past you if I am using it correctly, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:59.600 let go when you got my botox, which every three 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:05.120 months my best prevention, Yes it is. I was spoken 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.320 to about retinoids and the benefits it could have for 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.800 my skin. I'm thirty two now, so I have started 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:15.199 to notice some changes to my skin, particularly the sagginess 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.520 and some little wrinkles coming through. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:18.840 You're great, and. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:23.160 So they have given me a prescription for retinoid. I've 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:23.800 started with a. 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.599 T treton, Yes, I think so. It's another name for retocci, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.560 which is the active molecule ticktick for a five stars, 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.600 five stars, perfect five. 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.280 So every two days or one, depending on how my 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.120 skin feels, I get a pity size of that retinoid 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.400 size is perfect. I put that in with some moisturizer 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.640 I use, and then I rub it my face and 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:44.280 then I go to bed. 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:50.200 Okay, I don't mind that. Okay, but actually fantastic using 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.920 the right format in the right molecular construct if you're 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.160 particularly concerned about the signs of aging. So digressing back 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.920 to the question about who do you really prescribe them for, 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.160 the two key category are the breakout brigades and the 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:06.080 anie ages. Right, So there are two kind of categories, right, 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.800 So we've got the anie ages, we've got the proactive proaging, 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.200 positive aging. Early intervention is prevention. That is one of 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.959 my philosophies in life. Why get the problem if you 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.720 don't need it, get in early and keep yourself and 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.280 your skin as good as it is for as long 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.960 as you can, all right, So I would do exactly 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:24.800 what you're saying. P size is all you need, but 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.600 I would put over your moisturizer rather than mixing. When 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.560 you start mixing, it's not a bad advice strategy if 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.839 you're getting used to the retinoid, right, because for some 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.240 people using it every single night and night it's a 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.120 great time because we know it's photo unstable, so you 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.920 don't want to break down the sunlight, so it's better 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.319 off using it at night. So the problem is, though 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:45.760 if you use it every night, for some people it 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:47.800 gets a little bit too much too soon, so they're 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.640 upregulating that sell turnover, and then the skin gets a 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:52.720 bit flaky and people think they're having a bad reaction. No, 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.600 you're just not uull it badly. Okay, so pull it back. 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.880 So I prescribe to my patients Monday, Wednesday, Friday night 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.760 a peace size over the night, cream over the top. 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:04.280 They're going great like that for a month. I go, 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.560 let's go every second night. That's going great. See here 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.040 you go nightly, so you hy trate it. It's exactly 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:14.000 how I prescribe oral vitamin A aka oral isotretinoe. We 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:15.920 drip feed it, we get the body used to it, 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.120 and we build it up. I don't get problems like 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.120 when people google and they go onto line saying is 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.040 my face going to fall off? No, it's not. Most 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:27.400 of my consultation is spent literally debunking myths. Having a 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:32.240 financial talk. Now you can just say basically, yeah, you know, 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:33.959 we don't. We're not going to extort you like you 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:35.720 feel like you've been going on this treadmill with all 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.400 these things you've been buying and misinformation, and let's go 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.839 back to basics and get you feeling good. Abate yourself good, 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:44.560 abate your skin with minimal side effects and maximal results. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.160 So I think what you're doing is amazing. Vitamin A 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:52.920 is also lypophilic, which means it loves oily bases, so 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.840 it's going to penetrate the skin better if you've literally prehydrating. Wow, 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:02.240 so it services two Things'll. 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.800 Be pretty hydrating every single time then because. 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:09.120 Because he's lead, Yeah, and then you'll be learned. So yeah, 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:10.360 it's definitely five out of five. 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.600 How is it that these companies are able to sell 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.760 these products? Like are they approved by a certain body 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:23.959 or head or like do you know what? 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.079 I'm trying to dermatology tested? 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:32.600 But it doesn't say that's approve. It's a billion dollar industry. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:34.400 What happens when money is at stake? 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:36.720 I love it. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.520 We have some other buttons here which we might play 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.240 with later. But yeah, it's it's a very deregulated market. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:48.720 So unfortunately there's not much regulation at all. That's scary. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.200 I mean, you see it across kind of a whole 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.480 bunch of different categories. You've got hair, you've got skin, 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:55.720 I mean, even make up. But I think when it 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.600 comes to skin or hair, that's when it really matters 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.280 a lot more because you can watch makeup off at 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.280 the end of the day. I think, I mean in 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.720 terms of our expertise, my expertise with hair, you see 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:07.640 it so much in terms of products, and like I 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.960 think we forget that you have skin on your head. 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:11.640 Do you see a lot galp? 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:12.640 Yeah? 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:17.160 Hello, Well, part of the integumentary system, which is what 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.520 dermatologists are experts os, is hair, skin, and nails. It's 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.960 all connected. And so did you know the hair on 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:25.880 your scalp or the skin I should say, the skin 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:27.760 on your scalp is pretty much the same as the 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.200 skin on your face and needs very similar care. So 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:34.040 dandruff is like exma is overdrying. It's overwashing, same thing 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.840 as you over wash your skins and wrong substances, wrong 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.240 shampoos have too many suffactants that strip give you similar 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.120 conditions on the scalps you get on your face. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:43.360 Wow, that makes a lot of. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.480 Sense because I've always I feel like I have a 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.360 very healthy kind of scalp. And when does he was 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.520 going through a lot of her skin issues, her hair 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:51.320 was really struggling. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.120 My scal was terrible. 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:54.440 Yeah, So it really is such a. 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:58.360 Whole listening like the curly hair shampoos and they suck. 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.680 They're not They're not like a ani inflammatory. 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:03.680 It was an anti inflammatory. It's by Durkos. I don't 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:04.520 know if you've heard of them. 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:06.720 You can't stay off the chop my tongue. 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:08.360 I mean, now my hair is like a good environment. 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:12.160 Yeah, it's great unless there's more. Don't wath too much, 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:12.840 yeah exactly. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.920 I also cut back on that, so yeah, great, so yeah. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.680 In answer to your question, Jamie, yeah, they are extremely 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.000 similar and they're connected and the same thing. Wow. 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.200 For the people who are listening in today who are 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.440 a bit lost with how to go about building a 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.040 skin care regime, what would you suggest to them? 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.480 Okay, great, Well, obviously you want to make sure you've 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:35.720 got calm stable, non inflamed skin. So if you've been 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:37.920 using lots of actives and it's a bit sensitive and 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.640 flaky and red, calm it down by just getting rid 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:44.400 of everything except very gentle cleansing and lots of moisturizing 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:48.480 and more than more moisturized. A hydrated skin is always 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:52.040 going to be more high functioning and performing than dehydrate 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.480 or dry skin. Infect dry skin cre a ton of 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:58.040 problems right, So I always think about three step routines. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.640 It's something that I've spent a couple of decades refining, 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:05.200 realizing as patients came with me with junkets and bags products. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.480 Oh goodness, I'd be sitting there going, oh my god, no, 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.400 wonder your skin looks like it's falling off your face. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.880 And also I had really bad skin diseases. I'm mathematic 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.760 atopic x mark hay fever, and I had an autoimmune disease. 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.280 It was very facially disfiguring. Probably why I end up 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.280 in DURM because I make you end up in things 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.360 to heal other people and you're trying to heal yourself. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:23.520 Yeah. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:29.920 Anyway, so three things really the right cleanser, serum, moisturizing 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.760 and then spit for morning and night I say, re 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:37.960 cleansing different serum actives and then hydrating yet again. And 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.560 also to all of your listeners, if you want to 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:46.600 DM doctrin attash to cook Instagram accounts with Skinfluence the 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:50.360 name of Jesse and Jamie's podcast, we will send you 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.600 out a sample pack kit of the three AM three PM, 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.480 a little treatment pill once a week, and a couple 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.320 of our new true fifty SPF mineral only chemical filter 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.520 free some that's actually so amazing. Toot me eighteen years 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.000 to get that one right. Whoao, because I don't want 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.560 to use chemicals. I'm published sunscreen allergies that's another thing. 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:08.000 Wow. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.520 So really, really everybody needs the right way to cleanse. 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.200 Everyone needs moisturizer. But you know, if you're a bit dry, 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.560 you're gonna need something more enriched. If you're a little 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.600 bit more oiler, you're gonna see something lighter. We still 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.800 need moisturizer because bled or not, moisturizer calms down oily skin. 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.520 So that's kind of the way you think gentle cleansing. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:28.000 Don't strip anything that foams. Foaming substances create chaos for 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.480 the skin, So we now know to protect the barrier 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:32.800 but also remove impurities. You want something it doesn't foam, 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.080 doesn't strip, and not beads or scrubs for the face 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.360 can end up giving you barrier dysfunction breakouts. 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.800 So we do want to clarify. Doctor Natachakook has its 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:41.919 own skincare. 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.720 Range Doctor NC. Yes, I'm abbreviate in my name, so 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.400 I'm sort of like you know, so it's a little 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.760 bit easier for people to digest. And also apparently it's 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:52.359 been called a brand development Yeah, doctor NC, which is 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.439 now what my peers call me as well. Yes, so 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.479 we do have a skincare range. So I saw myself 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:01.640 for somebody that as a consumer, as a female, as 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.840 somebody's in the landscape, that I could integrate the two 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.919 together and bring highly effective skincare with the writ ingredients, 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.920 write concentrations and a handful of products to cut down 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.560 the clutter out of your routine, but never compromising on 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.280 quality and gives you results. 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:16.280 That's so great. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.000 One two three one two three treatment peel once a week, 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.040 and then obviously with the spifs that we're working on 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:21.480 as well. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.960 Oh that's so great. So are they called one two 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:24.920 three your products? 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:26.600 Yeah, it's the AM one two three. We call it 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.920 the total Transformation. Kick doesn't mean you have to use everything, 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.120 because everybody's got to be a different budget. Some people 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.760 might come in and obviously they'll be like, I don't 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.800 really want to waste what i've got, so how can 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.880 I start? We might say, well, look, they might start 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.760 on the serums, or they might start with the one 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.439 minute once a week Hibha microppeel and then they'll go 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.439 all this is great, or they might even start with 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:47.280 the SPF. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:51.040 You just have such an abundance of knowledge. The knowledge 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.879 that you have and retain thanks incredible. 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.920 I have global goosebumps right now, and I'm really honored 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.040 to be here because I just love educating and I 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.720 can sort of talk sometimes too much underwater it whar's 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:03.240 the off button? 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:03.600 But I. 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:08.879 Know no, I mean, it's just I hope I can 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:10.639 retain all of that information. I'm going to go and 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.200 listen back like a million times to this episode. I'm 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.520 really excited though, for this rapid fire around. 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.480 Yes, so that's why we bought buttons. Okay, let's pry. Okay, Okay, 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:24.480 that's the first. And there's always because often there is 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.920 a because we don't live in a black, white world 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.239 doing sometimes we need to work in the gray. I 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:31.560 love that. Ready. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.600 Yes, is it okay to pop pimples? 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:35.000 No? 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.480