WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 8 May

0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:07.000
<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Burray Live, Hello

0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and happy Thursday.

0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:10.040
<v Speaker 2>What has been a difficult week is now starting to

0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:12.280
<v Speaker 2>turn into the full on fight on the conservative side

0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:12.840
<v Speaker 2>of politics.

0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:14.120
<v Speaker 1>To that in the moment of twos time.

0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:16.560
<v Speaker 2>In a moment we will go live to the Vatican.

0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Colin Flynn, they a lovely friend from Ireland, will tell

0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.160
<v Speaker 2>us about the very latest and about when the next

0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:24.400
<v Speaker 2>round of voting. There will be a couple more votes tonight,

0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:25.880
<v Speaker 2>so the chance that you will wake up to a

0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:30.280
<v Speaker 2>new pope with Peter Stefanovic pretty damn good. Are going

0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.600
<v Speaker 2>to go into an area that could give me into trouble,

0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.159
<v Speaker 2>but it's one worth talking about, which is the massive

0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.720
<v Speaker 2>explosion in the necessity for more units and more housing.

0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.760
<v Speaker 2>How does it change electorates? How does it change politics?

0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.680
<v Speaker 2>And James Ashby and Linda Scott both were plenty to

0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.720
<v Speaker 2>say here tonight a slightly different version of what you

0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.440
<v Speaker 2>have heard of the start of most people shows, which

0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:56.279
<v Speaker 2>is what was the big story today. Labour's crushing win

0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.800
<v Speaker 2>has knocked out Green's leader Adam band.

0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Gres leader Adam Bandt lost his seat of Melbourne.

0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.759
<v Speaker 4>Greens leader Adam band has now considered defeat in his electorate.

0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:09.560
<v Speaker 4>Green's leader Adam Band has officially conceded, making him the

0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.400
<v Speaker 4>second party leader to fall at this election.

0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Now, unlike well you've already seen it one hundred times,

0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to show you him looking today about preferences

0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.360
<v Speaker 2>when preferences, of course have helped him and other Greens

0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.600
<v Speaker 2>make their way into the Upper House for a very

0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.320
<v Speaker 2>long period of time and him into the Lower House

0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.280
<v Speaker 2>for a long period of time. But let's just look

0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.840
<v Speaker 2>back on the incredible rule of this guy as a

0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:34.200
<v Speaker 2>political force in Australia.

0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:41.680
<v Speaker 5>If US President Joe Biden can pardon people who've had

0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.520
<v Speaker 5>a joint, then Australia can do the same. Australia will

0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.080
<v Speaker 5>be writing a bank check, will be spending untold billions

0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.280
<v Speaker 5>on a fleet of floating chernobyls.

0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Pauline Hanson, like Donald Trump, do not care which group

0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:57.440
<v Speaker 1>of people.

0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.960
<v Speaker 5>They pick on and whose lives they put it threat

0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.640
<v Speaker 5>which have been detaching ourselves from Donald Trump. I mean,

0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.000
<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump is dangerous, danger to peace, danger to democracy,

0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:07.160
<v Speaker 5>danger to Australia.

0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Go away, go away, go away.

0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:11.440
<v Speaker 2>But I want to turn my attention to something else

0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:15.200
<v Speaker 2>about the Greens. Now they often love to pretend that

0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.760
<v Speaker 2>they are somehow different than the rest of Australian politics.

0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.880
<v Speaker 5>Major party majorty, major party, major party, major party, major parties,

0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:25.840
<v Speaker 5>major parties.

0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.200
<v Speaker 1>The toothbrush is so weird. It is so weird.

0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.560
<v Speaker 2>I get the big prop thing. But Australian solomn We're

0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.280
<v Speaker 2>to shove it all right now. They also love pretending

0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.679
<v Speaker 2>that they are closer to the people than any other

0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.520
<v Speaker 2>of the major parties.

0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Democracy.

0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:46.720
<v Speaker 5>Democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy.

0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.720
<v Speaker 2>But who will pick the next leader of the Greens?

0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Will it be the membership of the Greens?

0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:55.480
<v Speaker 6>No?

0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:58.640
<v Speaker 2>In fact, it's only the Labor Party that has the

0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.600
<v Speaker 2>option if two people to run for the leadership for

0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.840
<v Speaker 2>the membership that paid up and proud people who do

0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.640
<v Speaker 2>all the work every election, state, federal and sometimes even

0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.400
<v Speaker 2>local to have a say in whom it best represents them.

0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.919
<v Speaker 1>But the Greens are like every.

0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Other political party, which is that they do their best

0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:22.640
<v Speaker 2>to avoid any sort of open fraction about choosing between

0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:27.720
<v Speaker 2>one leader and the other. Let me explain. When Bob

0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Brown decided it was time to leave as the leader

0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.079
<v Speaker 2>of the Greens, a deal was done and he would

0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.920
<v Speaker 2>be replaced by Christine Milne, no vote of the party room,

0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:42.000
<v Speaker 2>no vote of the members. When Christine Milne was sliding

0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:46.760
<v Speaker 2>out the door, the Victorian Green Richard Dena Tali becomes

0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:51.720
<v Speaker 2>the leader. No vote in the membership in the Parliament

0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.800
<v Speaker 2>and no vote of the members of the Greens. When

0:03:55.880 --> 0:04:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Richard Dena Tali left Adam Bant, the crown was just

0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.560
<v Speaker 2>placed upon his head. The people who claim to be

0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.480
<v Speaker 2>closer to the people don't even let the members of

0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.600
<v Speaker 2>the party who are elected to Parliament choose. Instead, a

0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:15.840
<v Speaker 2>deal is always done. Now, this is something that we

0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:17.760
<v Speaker 2>do see in major parties from time to time, and

0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:19.839
<v Speaker 2>we'll find out what happens when it comes to the Liberals.

0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Their meeting has been announced for Tuesday morning. Whether there

0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.960
<v Speaker 2>will be a contest or not. But if there is

0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.280
<v Speaker 2>a contest amongst the Liberals, it will be decided by

0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.800
<v Speaker 2>the people whom have been elected to the parliament. If

0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.560
<v Speaker 2>there is a contest between two people to lead the

0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Labor Party, there's a fifty to fifty contest. Remember back

0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.479
<v Speaker 2>in twenty thirteen when Anthony Aberanzi first showed that he

0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.800
<v Speaker 2>wanted to lead the Labor Party and he went toe

0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.560
<v Speaker 2>to toe around the country in a debate with Bill

0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Shorten in front of the members. The members chose Anthony Aberesi,

0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.320
<v Speaker 2>but the design of the system meant that the MPs

0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.480
<v Speaker 2>had a greater say, and the MPs well, they ended

0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:03.040
<v Speaker 2>up choosing Bill short But when it comes to the Greens,

0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.880
<v Speaker 2>the likelihood is that, like dare I say, smoke appearing

0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:09.080
<v Speaker 2>from a chimney on the.

0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Other side of the world, we will just learn that

0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:12.679
<v Speaker 1>there is a different leader.

0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.279
<v Speaker 2>We will not hear that there are multiple people trying

0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.200
<v Speaker 2>to put their hands up now. Of those who claim

0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.039
<v Speaker 2>to have some insight into how the Greens are working

0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.840
<v Speaker 2>right now, you would think that Larissa Waters would be

0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:28.359
<v Speaker 2>most likely the one to take over, but apparently the

0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:32.599
<v Speaker 2>deputy leader doesn't want a lot of the personal heat

0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.280
<v Speaker 2>that comes with being the leader of the Greens. She

0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.760
<v Speaker 2>also has a bit of rebuild work to do in Queensland.

0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.160
<v Speaker 2>So apparently it is now down to Sarah Hanson Young,

0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.600
<v Speaker 2>who's been around for a very long time yet for

0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.240
<v Speaker 2>some reason has never been able to get out of

0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.640
<v Speaker 2>first year when it comes to being Leader of the Greens,

0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:54.960
<v Speaker 2>or Marine Ferouki. Now Marine Ferouki is of course somebody

0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.440
<v Speaker 2>who has made quite a name for herself. The types

0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.560
<v Speaker 2>of people that she has stood next to at protests

0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.160
<v Speaker 2>would suggest that she wouldn't be fit for any high office,

0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.160
<v Speaker 2>but that may well be the qualification to make her

0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.880
<v Speaker 2>the Green's leader. Anyone who criticizes her is referred to

0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.839
<v Speaker 2>as a racist, and anyone who criticizes Sarah Hanson Young

0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.760
<v Speaker 2>is apparently a sexist. So we're going to be in

0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.600
<v Speaker 2>for a fun next three years, especially if these are

0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.919
<v Speaker 2>the two key contenders for a job that seemingly is

0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:29.440
<v Speaker 2>always decided by someone in a back room.

0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.040
<v Speaker 7>And as Hamas need to be dismantled.

0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.240
<v Speaker 8>Listen to the situation with Hamas is.

0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Surely you're able to say where you'd like to see

0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:38.880
<v Speaker 1>them gone.

0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.320
<v Speaker 8>And it's not up to me to say who should

0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:43.000
<v Speaker 8>be gone or not?

0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:47.240
<v Speaker 9>Have you sold out your environment credentials?

0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:49.640
<v Speaker 8>Throw it often.

0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.520
<v Speaker 4>Stinking in an attention some you're prepared to sit behind

0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:57.440
<v Speaker 4>closed doors and tell your own members Sena hands is young.

0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.680
<v Speaker 10>And nobody in this room was in caucus this morning night.

0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.400
<v Speaker 4>In this room, no exactly, the Minister would have no

0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:03.760
<v Speaker 4>line of sight of that.

0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:09.160
<v Speaker 9>I'm sorry, Minister Farrell, that was a statement, So.

0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:12.560
<v Speaker 10>Order order.

0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.840
<v Speaker 1>What a choice now? In Rome?

0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.360
<v Speaker 2>It will be smoke that comes from the burning of

0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:23.240
<v Speaker 2>ballots inside the papal conclave in the Liberal Party, and

0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:27.720
<v Speaker 2>they will be cigar filled back rooms. What type of

0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.440
<v Speaker 2>smoke do you think that they smoke in the Greens

0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.000
<v Speaker 2>party room before they make their decisions?

0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I repeat, If nothing.

0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Else, it'll be an interesting three years ahead, regardless of

0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.520
<v Speaker 2>what we will be called for. Dear criticizing any of

0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.200
<v Speaker 2>these great future Titanic leaders, of which they will build

0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:45.360
<v Speaker 2>statues too.

0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Out of Asahi, I assume.

0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:50.960
<v Speaker 9>All right.

0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.880
<v Speaker 2>As for the Liberal Party race, it does seem to

0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.200
<v Speaker 2>be despite the fact no one said anything publicly, And

0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.400
<v Speaker 2>don't you love this. I want to lead my party,

0:07:58.400 --> 0:07:59.760
<v Speaker 2>i want to lead the country, but I've got to

0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:01.680
<v Speaker 2>check with all my people first.

0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:02.840
<v Speaker 1>To do the numbers.

0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Susan Lay versus Angus Taylor, the dan Tian of it all, Well,

0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's happening. There is no public reporting

0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.320
<v Speaker 2>about whom, if anyone, he's going to be backing. But

0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.200
<v Speaker 2>we'll all find out together. Because Susan Lay, as the

0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.760
<v Speaker 2>acting leader of the party, has announced that on Tuesday

0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:20.320
<v Speaker 2>morning is when they.

0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Will have their leadership ballot.

0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.280
<v Speaker 2>All positions will be available at it being for the

0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:25.840
<v Speaker 2>leader the deputy leader.

0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.840
<v Speaker 1>And we'll see what happens. Now.

0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Interestingly, the big X factor in and around all of

0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:35.199
<v Speaker 2>this is our friend just into Nampa, jimper Price, the

0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:39.000
<v Speaker 2>senator freshly re elected to the Country Liberal Party, which

0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.679
<v Speaker 2>is an adjunct of the National Party, and she has

0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:44.840
<v Speaker 2>now announced, as you know, that she is moving from

0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.439
<v Speaker 2>the National Party to the Liberal Party.

0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:49.360
<v Speaker 6>Now.

0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Apparently this is because she may well be part of

0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.640
<v Speaker 2>a leadership team. Now, whether she just has the deputy

0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.760
<v Speaker 2>leadership to herself and the leadership is to be decided.

0:08:58.800 --> 0:08:59.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.800
<v Speaker 2>We have no inside apart from what is being said

0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.960
<v Speaker 2>publicly here. For her part, just Enterprise was on with

0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:06.800
<v Speaker 2>my colleague and friend Peter Quedlin tonight.

0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.280
<v Speaker 4>I've always felt like the Liberal Party room is my

0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.920
<v Speaker 4>natural home. Given the Liberal Party is the Freedom Party,

0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.160
<v Speaker 4>the party of responsibility. Given the current circumstances, I think

0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:24.160
<v Speaker 4>now more than ever, when it's strong people within the

0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.640
<v Speaker 4>Liberal Party, we need to be able to rebuild. We

0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.920
<v Speaker 4>need to ensure that we don't lose support.

0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.679
<v Speaker 2>Now this has consequences, not just because it of course

0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.160
<v Speaker 2>potentially moves to Enterprise even closer to that position that

0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.640
<v Speaker 2>many of us believe that she will eventually have, which

0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.640
<v Speaker 2>is the ability to challenge and potentially be elected Prime

0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.040
<v Speaker 2>minister in this country. That would be a fabulous thing,

0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:52.080
<v Speaker 2>but the consequence for the National Party is pretty serious too.

0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:53.120
<v Speaker 1>In the short term.

0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:57.200
<v Speaker 2>You see, they just had, including Senator Nampajin for Price,

0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:02.360
<v Speaker 2>five people who had been elected to the Senate Perin Davy,

0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the deputy leader of the National Party in New South

0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Wales where she lost her seat with the abysmal performance

0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.880
<v Speaker 2>of the Liberal Party on the weekend. So once five

0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:15.040
<v Speaker 2>becomes four, you are no longer officially afforded party status,

0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:19.000
<v Speaker 2>meaning the types of access that you automatically have to

0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.160
<v Speaker 2>things in the Senate in terms of procedure and the

0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.160
<v Speaker 2>amount of staff that you have behind the scenes. Is

0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.800
<v Speaker 2>potentially one of the reasons why one of those remaining

0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.200
<v Speaker 2>senators from the National Party, Matt Canavan, was as clear

0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.640
<v Speaker 2>as he was in his disappointment at this decision. This

0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.840
<v Speaker 2>was quite an extraordinary intervention from him on Shari's program.

0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.439
<v Speaker 2>In the past sixty minutes.

0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.200
<v Speaker 3>She sent has done enormous damage to her reputation. I've

0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:47.080
<v Speaker 3>had enormous being inundated with feedback from people from the

0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.560
<v Speaker 3>Northern Territory very upset. She hasn't spoken to members up

0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.240
<v Speaker 3>there who elected her, hasn't spoken to the party, hasn't

0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.480
<v Speaker 3>spoken to a colleagues and camera about this. It's not

0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.600
<v Speaker 3>the sort of behavior I think Austrains appreciate, and it's

0:10:58.600 --> 0:10:59.960
<v Speaker 3>the sort of kind of thing that Lydia Thorpe did.

0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.199
<v Speaker 3>How is what your center's doing any different from what

0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Lydia did? In fact, it's worse than Lydia. Lydia at

0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.800
<v Speaker 3>least had a policy disagreement with the Greens. Your center's

0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.360
<v Speaker 3>left in this case, he's left our party, left, her colleagues,

0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.240
<v Speaker 3>left the people that supported her. Not not sort of

0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:13.760
<v Speaker 3>behavior you should be proud of.

0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Now, if they're willing to say that publicly, what are

0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.440
<v Speaker 2>they saying privately? Are we beginning to see what is

0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.560
<v Speaker 2>going to be a very difficult week for the coalition

0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.920
<v Speaker 2>about whether it remains a coalition at all? Has there

0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.080
<v Speaker 2>been some sort of a trade off somewhere that we

0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.400
<v Speaker 2>will find out that the new leadership team will move

0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.079
<v Speaker 2>a Liberal National Party, sorry, a Liberal Party senator to

0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:35.360
<v Speaker 2>become a National Party senator.

0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. We're all flying blind.

0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.480
<v Speaker 2>The events of this week had been traumatic. The repositioning

0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:46.560
<v Speaker 2>of the party has the potential to be traumatic as well. Obviously,

0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.520
<v Speaker 2>I want you cinto Nampa jimper Price to be the

0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.600
<v Speaker 2>leader of the Opposition in the Senate because wouldn't you

0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.920
<v Speaker 2>love to see just inter Nampa, jimper Price or Matt

0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Canavan going up against Penny Wong every single question time. Frankly,

0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.600
<v Speaker 2>it'll probably be more interesting than whatever's going to be

0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.120
<v Speaker 2>happening in the Lower House.

0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:08.480
<v Speaker 1>But really watch this space.

0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.800
<v Speaker 2>As for Susan Lay and whether she is going to

0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:16.240
<v Speaker 2>become the next party leader, so interesting reporting there that

0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.280
<v Speaker 2>apparently one of the things that she's trying to do

0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.280
<v Speaker 2>is her and some factional people because the Liberal Party

0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:23.760
<v Speaker 2>as factions are trying to suggest a unity ticket one

0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.640
<v Speaker 2>of us, one of you, And according to the Australian newspaper,

0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Liberal sources say that miss Lay has been offering high

0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.960
<v Speaker 2>level shadow cabinet positions to people, including you can be

0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:36.439
<v Speaker 2>the Defense spokesperson, the Foreign Affairs or the Treasury spokesperson.

0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Now all of that makes sense when you're trying to

0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.960
<v Speaker 2>get votes for a leadership position, but generally speaking, you

0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.880
<v Speaker 2>don't promise those jobs until after you have become the leader,

0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.520
<v Speaker 2>According to a senior Liberal familiar with the negotiations, who

0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.280
<v Speaker 2>could be a lefty trying to make a point, or

0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.880
<v Speaker 2>a riety trying to make a point. She's approaching it

0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.640
<v Speaker 2>in quite a transactional way, offering people jobs in exchange

0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:01.160
<v Speaker 2>for votes. This would work to a degree, but it's

0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:05.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of pretty unstable coalition in terms of what she's

0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.480
<v Speaker 2>trying to put together as her leadership position. Those who

0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:13.880
<v Speaker 2>apparently have been offered the jobs Ted O'Brien, Dante and

0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Alex Hawke, Tim Wilson Msleigh supporters deny that any offers

0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:24.280
<v Speaker 2>have been made now. Obviously, part of the rebuilding is,

0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.880
<v Speaker 2>as I've said from Sunday night, not just about learning

0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.480
<v Speaker 2>a lesson, but being seen to learn a lesson. And

0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.920
<v Speaker 2>regardless of who the leader is, it would be pretty

0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:36.400
<v Speaker 2>amazing to see the deputy leader be an Indigenous woman.

0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.400
<v Speaker 2>But why not do what say the Greens have done,

0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.360
<v Speaker 2>which is how to have multiple deputies? Why not a

0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.360
<v Speaker 2>conversation about people like Tim Wilson, who, apart from being

0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:49.880
<v Speaker 2>able to defeat a teal, was incredibly significant in his

0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.480
<v Speaker 2>ability to put together and prosecute the case in and

0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.839
<v Speaker 2>around the Frankin credit stuff from twenty nineteen. Now, of

0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:57.800
<v Speaker 2>course it doesn't matter that he's a gay man, but

0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.640
<v Speaker 2>what an offering the liberal he could potentially put forward

0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.440
<v Speaker 2>to say that it is not what the Labor Party

0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.520
<v Speaker 2>or Green's caricature is, but instead is one that is

0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:13.880
<v Speaker 2>as modern as the country. We'll all wait and see here. Now,

0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sending smoke signals about what I think should happen.

0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not my job. My job is to look on

0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.880
<v Speaker 2>as yes, one of the millions of people who wanted

0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.280
<v Speaker 2>a different outcome after this election, who on Sunday night

0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.680
<v Speaker 2>has already suggested in long form and please go and

0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.640
<v Speaker 2>have a look at it on my Facebook page. Just

0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.640
<v Speaker 2>go searching for form my re Live, where you'll find

0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:34.360
<v Speaker 2>the link to our story it's going neews dot com.

0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.280
<v Speaker 2>That are you, or the YouTube page about the five

0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.760
<v Speaker 2>things that could be done at the organizational level to

0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.960
<v Speaker 2>modernize the party. But Tim Wilson is not ruling himself

0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.880
<v Speaker 2>out as either trying to go for a top job

0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:51.000
<v Speaker 2>or potentially the deputy job, or why not. Now, I'm

0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.200
<v Speaker 2>sure there's some constitution somewhere that someone's going to have

0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.400
<v Speaker 2>to change a rule, but why not have serious people

0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.840
<v Speaker 2>towards the front end, who are all able to attack

0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:04.440
<v Speaker 2>things from different angles. Tim Wilson says that he was

0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.800
<v Speaker 2>left scratching his head after all of this. In fact,

0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.560
<v Speaker 2>this in part is what he said about what he's

0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.480
<v Speaker 2>looking for in a leader in an interview on three

0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:12.680
<v Speaker 2>our w this morning.

0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:17.160
<v Speaker 6>What I'm looking for is somebody who's going to project

0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.840
<v Speaker 6>where we're going to go as a country, because that's

0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.800
<v Speaker 6>the basis that we're going to persuade voters about the

0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.240
<v Speaker 6>direction we need to go. And if you can't do that,

0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.120
<v Speaker 6>I left scratching my head about any candidates.

0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:30.720
<v Speaker 2>And you can add his voice to amition others with

0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.120
<v Speaker 2>an opinion about what went wrong.

0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.960
<v Speaker 6>If you want people to go in a direction you want,

0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.240
<v Speaker 6>you then need to build out the policy stepping stones

0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.000
<v Speaker 6>and persuade people to get there. The reality is the

0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:43.200
<v Speaker 6>party fell short on that.

0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.520
<v Speaker 2>It'll be fun when we're back here on Sunday night.

0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.960
<v Speaker 2>What's going to happen. One deputy, two deputies, unity deputies,

0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:55.600
<v Speaker 2>no deputies, people changing parties, people being offered jobs. Sadly,

0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.440
<v Speaker 2>all of it, of course, isn't about power. It's about

0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.680
<v Speaker 2>representation inside the party. Its power inside the party. The

0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.800
<v Speaker 2>focus of power is of course on the government and

0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:06.680
<v Speaker 2>what it will do with it for the next three

0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and probably many more years after that. As for the

0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.480
<v Speaker 2>latest counting, on top of what we learned today about

0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Adam Bant going bye bye, I want to run through

0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.040
<v Speaker 2>a couple of these things. In Southeast Queensland and the

0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:22.080
<v Speaker 2>seat of Longman Terry Young, who is the LNP.

0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Member. He's holding on, but he's holding on just.

0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Two hundred and eighty nine votes right now, with eighty

0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.080
<v Speaker 2>and a bit percent counted. In Bradfield, it is very

0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.520
<v Speaker 2>very tight one hundred and ninety eight votes with the

0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Liberal in front. The good sign for her is that

0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.120
<v Speaker 2>there is only about what twelve and a big percent

0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.400
<v Speaker 2>left to count. It would look like Monique Ryan is

0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.760
<v Speaker 2>probably going to hold on on cou Jong, but who knows,

0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.320
<v Speaker 2>still plenty of vote to go at eighty three percent

0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.280
<v Speaker 2>and Menique Ryan has a lead of six hundred and

0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.400
<v Speaker 2>nine votes. Meantime, over in Bean in South Australia, the

0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Teal still leads the Labor Party, so Labor of course

0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.440
<v Speaker 2>automatically assumes they will win all the lower House seats

0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.600
<v Speaker 2>in the Act. But we'll all find out together whether

0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.719
<v Speaker 2>it'll be a teal that will start eating away at

0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.280
<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party and most interestingly, probably to all of us. Certainly,

0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.840
<v Speaker 2>one of our guests tonight is the Tasmanian Senate. Now,

0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:12.720
<v Speaker 2>who knows where this.

0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:13.119
<v Speaker 1>Is going to go.

0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.199
<v Speaker 2>Ultimately a computer will decide the very final spot. But

0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.240
<v Speaker 2>the Labour Party has got two senators elected, the Liberal

0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Party one the Greens won. That means that there are.

0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Two seats left.

0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.040
<v Speaker 2>According to the predictive websites that are up on things

0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.560
<v Speaker 2>like the ABC, they suggest that currently it is the

0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Liberals who will get one, and most likely Jackie Lamby.

0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.720
<v Speaker 2>But don't assume that to be the case, because if

0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:40.800
<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party can't get itself to another member, there

0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.280
<v Speaker 2>half of a quota will be added to Lamby's half

0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.960
<v Speaker 2>of a quota and she will win. But if the

0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Liberals can't get somebody up and there what two thirds

0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.800
<v Speaker 2>will be added to the more than a third quarter

0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.359
<v Speaker 2>of Pauline Hanson, and therefore Lee Hanson will be the

0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:02.120
<v Speaker 2>next senator from Tasmai. There is a lot to get through,

0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:03.320
<v Speaker 2>there is a lot to keep an eye on, and

0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.040
<v Speaker 2>we shall do so on all things when it comes

0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:06.960
<v Speaker 2>to politics. But yes, we will move on to an

0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.480
<v Speaker 2>awful lot of other things as well. All right, let's

0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.680
<v Speaker 2>get to Colin Flynn, our mate at the Vatican right now,

0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.920
<v Speaker 2>is with the Catholic News Network, and he joins us,

0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure the microphone has been welded to his

0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:22.320
<v Speaker 2>jacket this time. Hello, my great friend. So two votes down,

0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.400
<v Speaker 2>no result, obviously, you go.

0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.119
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I was just going to say that yesterday when

0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.080
<v Speaker 11>I arrived and we were talking, I'd never experienced anything

0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.639
<v Speaker 11>like it, because the mic popped off. There was empty

0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:37.800
<v Speaker 11>beer bottles all over the place. Not a crew member

0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.159
<v Speaker 11>insider to this says, I don't know how you operate

0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.679
<v Speaker 11>the shoulder at sky, but there was somebods.

0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.000
<v Speaker 7>But we're here. We're on though.

0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.240
<v Speaker 2>All right, So we're two votes down and no result

0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.879
<v Speaker 2>right now. Give me an insight into there are more

0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:52.120
<v Speaker 2>votes today, aren't they.

0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:55.760
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, there's a few more today.

0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.000
<v Speaker 11>And actually, let me just bring you back to last night,

0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.240
<v Speaker 11>because we haven't spoken since then. When we first the

0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.240
<v Speaker 11>black smoke, something strange happened, and we think that something

0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.199
<v Speaker 11>went wrong inside that conclave because we were told we

0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.240
<v Speaker 11>would have smoke white or black anytime between seven and

0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:10.000
<v Speaker 11>seven thirty.

0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.040
<v Speaker 7>So we were here waiting, and you can.

0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.800
<v Speaker 11>Imagine Paul, myself and my colleagues on e WTN. We

0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.919
<v Speaker 11>were broadcasting live, and we waited and we waited, and

0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:22.960
<v Speaker 11>it came nearly two hours later. Now that is unusual.

0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.840
<v Speaker 11>That never happened. So there are theories going around today

0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.600
<v Speaker 11>that perhaps maybe some of the cardinals who were allotted

0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.120
<v Speaker 11>a fifteen minute slot to speak in the Sistine Chapel

0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.280
<v Speaker 11>went on for maybe an hour. There could have been

0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.440
<v Speaker 11>a medical emergency with one of the cardinals, there could

0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.120
<v Speaker 11>have been a malfunction with the actual stove itself.

0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.040
<v Speaker 7>But to be waiting for two hours for that smoke was.

0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:42.879
<v Speaker 11>Very unusual, and we haven't seen that happen for a

0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.119
<v Speaker 11>long long time. So I'll probably have to wait until

0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.159
<v Speaker 11>after the conclave to find out what that major delay was.

0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.800
<v Speaker 11>But I was in the crowd forty five thousand people

0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:55.560
<v Speaker 11>standing staring at that chimney and those famous pigeons.

0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:55.680
<v Speaker 7>For two hours.

0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.760
<v Speaker 11>Today we saw black smoke again, and now we're waiting

0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.439
<v Speaker 11>for two more ballots, which do to happen this afternoon,

0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.919
<v Speaker 11>and you know, will we see white smoke this evening.

0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:06.679
<v Speaker 11>Some people I speak to on the street who work

0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.879
<v Speaker 11>in the Vatican members of different icastris. They say, I

0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:11.639
<v Speaker 11>reckon we're going to see White Smoke tonight, and I

0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:13.159
<v Speaker 11>think we're going to see it, but what are they

0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:15.240
<v Speaker 11>basing it on. It's all on a hunch and we

0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.320
<v Speaker 11>just don't know. They do say that if it stretches

0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.720
<v Speaker 11>into tomorrow, that is it getting into the longer terms

0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.480
<v Speaker 11>for a conclave. Remember, the last couple have been two

0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:26.240
<v Speaker 11>or three days. You have to go back to the

0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.359
<v Speaker 11>nineteen twenties to get one that lasted five days.

0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:33.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you fill time on air, but

0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.400
<v Speaker 2>when you're just looking at a chimney and no one's

0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.960
<v Speaker 2>texting you from inside, how many angles of the chimney

0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.199
<v Speaker 2>do we have here at Sky? What if our director

0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:43.760
<v Speaker 2>a team, if you can just go to as many

0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:44.800
<v Speaker 2>as we possibly have.

0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.639
<v Speaker 1>I was watching Fox News before. I think they've got three.

0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Do you get into the conversation about the how many

0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:52.800
<v Speaker 2>seagulls have come and gone? Because it does feel like

0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.080
<v Speaker 2>that's one angle? Have we only got one angle on?

0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.160
<v Speaker 2>We've only got one? So what angles do you do?

0:20:57.760 --> 0:20:59.919
<v Speaker 2>You do you have multiple cameras that you can just

0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:02.960
<v Speaker 2>because that's a lot of feeling when the conclive is

0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:03.760
<v Speaker 2>a talking.

0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:07.600
<v Speaker 7>You know, It's right, Paul.

0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 11>We do have three or four cameras on the chimney,

0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:11.359
<v Speaker 11>but at the end of the day, a chimney is

0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.120
<v Speaker 11>a chimney, and you know, no matter how beautiful these

0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.560
<v Speaker 11>shots look. And even last night we saw the sun

0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:18.879
<v Speaker 11>going down behind the chimney and it looked gorgeous.

0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:20.880
<v Speaker 7>But after around an hour and a half, when it.

0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.000
<v Speaker 11>Stretches into two hours, you're like, all right, come on,

0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:24.840
<v Speaker 11>we want to see something coming out of that chimney.

0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.399
<v Speaker 11>But what I couldn't believe was talking to the people

0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.320
<v Speaker 11>in the crowd from all over the world, and I

0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:31.600
<v Speaker 11>met a lot of people from Australia as well. The

0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.760
<v Speaker 11>enthusiasm didn't win. People were still excited and a bit

0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:36.439
<v Speaker 11>like in a football game. Every now and then you

0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.320
<v Speaker 11>heard it kind of the crowd go whoa when someone

0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.000
<v Speaker 11>thought they saw something. And when the smoke did come out,

0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:43.679
<v Speaker 11>you know, when it kind of trickles out at the

0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:45.600
<v Speaker 11>beginning and people are looking to say what color is that?

0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:49.760
<v Speaker 11>You hear a gasp of anticipation and then a beg oh.

0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.679
<v Speaker 11>And people are coming back again tomorrow. But it's just

0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:54.600
<v Speaker 11>a fascinating time to be here because Paul. You know,

0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:57.320
<v Speaker 11>we're joking around and talking about it. It is an

0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.440
<v Speaker 11>election of sorts. But you know, us Christians and Catholics

0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.760
<v Speaker 11>believe that what is happening here is actually much more

0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:07.040
<v Speaker 11>deeply profound. That we are picking the man who is

0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:09.600
<v Speaker 11>the successor of one of the apostles that walk the land,

0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.240
<v Speaker 11>the Holy Land with Jesus Christ. And not only do

0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:14.720
<v Speaker 11>they have to run the Institution of the Vatican and

0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:17.320
<v Speaker 11>the Catholic Church behind me, with all of its strengths

0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:19.919
<v Speaker 11>and all of its weaknesses and the challenges and the

0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 11>finances and the sexual abuse crisis that has gripped the world,

0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.800
<v Speaker 11>but they have to be the spiritual and moral guider

0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:29.960
<v Speaker 11>for over one point four billion people around the world.

0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:32.000
<v Speaker 11>And you know, Catholics believe what we're dealing with here

0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.680
<v Speaker 11>is eternal life in heaven or the complete opposite.

0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:36.760
<v Speaker 7>So they're so much on this decision.

0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.080
<v Speaker 11>And I think people who are even not Catholic, Paul,

0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.360
<v Speaker 11>who come here, they get a sense of that. They

0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:44.960
<v Speaker 11>can sense soaking in the prayerful atmosphere around the Vatican,

0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:47.560
<v Speaker 11>seeing the clerics, the nuns and the priests from around

0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:50.200
<v Speaker 11>the world, they get it. They know that there's something

0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:53.000
<v Speaker 11>deeper happening here, which makes it all the more exciting

0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:53.440
<v Speaker 11>as well.

0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:56.400
<v Speaker 2>So in terms of the vote, it's not fifty plus one,

0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:57.840
<v Speaker 2>it's three quarters, isn't it.

0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:02.800
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, they need a two thirds majority.

0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:06.320
<v Speaker 11>So in the past, as we've talked about before, when

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:09.040
<v Speaker 11>you know, mainly it's been an Italian boys club, and

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:09.879
<v Speaker 11>they've all had.

0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:11.800
<v Speaker 7>In a sense of each other prior to.

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:14.359
<v Speaker 11>The conclict because they would meet more regularly here in Rome,

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 11>and they were from France and all around Europe, and

0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:19.879
<v Speaker 11>they also have the same life kind of vision. You

0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:22.200
<v Speaker 11>could say they come from the same experience, same culture.

0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:26.440
<v Speaker 11>Whereas now, because these cardinals are so geographically spread, they

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:29.480
<v Speaker 11>could be finding it harder to come to that consensus saying, look,

0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.560
<v Speaker 11>I mean, we know that this cardinal is great and

0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:35.240
<v Speaker 11>he's an intellectual, but the kind of progressive agenda he

0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:38.080
<v Speaker 11>is pushing is not what goes down well in our country,

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.480
<v Speaker 11>in Africa or in Asia, for example, So that could

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:44.480
<v Speaker 11>be you know why we've seen two plumes of black

0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:47.800
<v Speaker 11>smoke coming out. How many more we'll see, you know,

0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:50.479
<v Speaker 11>It's just it's hard to know, but it's fascinating and

0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.399
<v Speaker 11>everyone here is invested. Everyone has their favorites and what

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.520
<v Speaker 11>you can see now, Paul, as I talked to you

0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:59.199
<v Speaker 11>in sky, we have NPR from the US. Beside US,

0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:02.440
<v Speaker 11>we have the Associated Press. We've ard from Germany, We've

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:05.760
<v Speaker 11>got your colleagues from Australia. The world's media is here

0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:08.560
<v Speaker 11>and people are watching this right across the planet.

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 2>I also can't help but think that very similar to

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.680
<v Speaker 2>and obviously I understand that, as you say, the stakes

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.560
<v Speaker 2>are a lot high when we're talking about eternal life

0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:21.879
<v Speaker 2>or eternal damnation. Is that to see these things happen

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.639
<v Speaker 2>in the buildings where it has happened for hundreds of years.

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.200
<v Speaker 2>There are so many things that are new. There are

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:33.680
<v Speaker 2>so many things that are not a continuum to societies

0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:34.959
<v Speaker 2>and generations past.

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I think that, in part is part of the attraction too,

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 1>isn't it. It's not just.

0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 2>About the office about what it leads, but this idea

0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:46.600
<v Speaker 2>that this institution is maintaining the way that it has

0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 2>always done it in the same way.

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:49.399
<v Speaker 1>Dare I say, as say the.

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Monarch in England, we go through that whole process of

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 2>watching a coronation and hearing some of the language or

0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 2>some of the things which normally you know in twenty

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty five, and not.

0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Sort of rituals that we're used to.

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 2>The rituals are deeply important to people of faith and

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:11.040
<v Speaker 2>obviously to Catholics. This is a key part of what

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 2>you're watching as well, is that while the method of

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:17.920
<v Speaker 2>communication has changed over so many years, you standing where

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 2>you are standing is where men and women have stood before,

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 2>looking at the very same building, making the very same decisions.

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:27.320
<v Speaker 2>That's incredibly humbling, isn't it.

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:29.440
<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, And Paul, I think you hit the nail on

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:35.359
<v Speaker 11>the head because when you see such rich tradition and

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:39.480
<v Speaker 11>ritual things that haven't changed for centuries, there is something

0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.679
<v Speaker 11>comforting and reassuring about that. And I was talking to

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 11>a bishop the other day who was actually up on

0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:48.800
<v Speaker 11>the balcony when Pope Francis was elected in twenty thirteen,

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:50.720
<v Speaker 11>and he made the exact point that you did. He said,

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:53.399
<v Speaker 11>what was incredible is that on one hand, on this

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 11>side of the balcony inside the Vatican, you have the

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 11>rituals and the traditions that haven't changed for centuries, and

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 11>looking out at all the people in Saint Peter Square,

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 11>he said it looked like stars.

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:06.360
<v Speaker 7>In the night because it was all the iPhones were coordinated.

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 11>So you had this huge juxtaposition of the modern world

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:15.200
<v Speaker 11>capturing this richly tradition and spiritual event that is taking place,

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 11>the election of a pope. And you know, if I

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:19.639
<v Speaker 11>can bring it even further and you know, go a

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:22.199
<v Speaker 11>little bit deeper theologically, this is the argument that is

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 11>in the split ideological split in the Catholic Church at

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 11>the moment when you see some people saying we need

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 11>to be more progressive, some people.

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 7>Saying we need to return to tradition.

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:34.200
<v Speaker 11>It's the debate should the Gospel change for the world

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 11>or should we expect the world.

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:37.200
<v Speaker 7>To change for the Gospel.

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:39.360
<v Speaker 11>And that is what we have seen that really came

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:41.920
<v Speaker 11>to the fore during Pope Francis as pontificate. And that's

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 11>what we're going to have to see with the new pope.

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.360
<v Speaker 11>Will it be a more return to tradition or will

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 11>it be someone who says, no, we need to change

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 11>the church more to suit the times.

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:52.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to take a guess, and I don't

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 2>want you to winswer, but I think you've got the

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 2>ability to do a mess in both English and Latin.

0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:59.919
<v Speaker 2>I've got a feeling you might be sort of ampidextrous

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to your ability to see these traditions. Now,

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:07.639
<v Speaker 2>take us through, Take us through the process that the

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 2>middle of the night, our time, daytime, your time. If

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:15.439
<v Speaker 2>there is the successful vote, what happens, Literally, talk us

0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 2>through the process of leaving from the conclave all the

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:24.360
<v Speaker 2>way through to the balcony. What happens when does a

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:27.080
<v Speaker 2>cardinal choose their name to become pope.

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, it's so exciting and it's so beautiful as well, really,

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 11>because there are a few different stages. But behind me

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 11>in the sisting chapel, if they do have a successful ballot,

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 11>and someone does get that two thirds majority, they will

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 11>then be brought into a side room beside the cisting chapel.

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 11>It's a tiny little room and it's called the Room

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:49.679
<v Speaker 11>of Tears because it's where the popes are meant to

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 11>shed a tear, knowing that their life has changed now

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 11>forever and realizing the responsibility that is now on their shoulders.

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 11>And they have three classics in there. One is a small,

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:01.439
<v Speaker 11>one is a medium, and one large, and they hope

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 11>that this pope, whoever it will be, will fit into

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 11>one of them. So they're robes, they're dressed they will

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.400
<v Speaker 11>have a moment of quiet, reflection and prayer. But then

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:13.119
<v Speaker 11>it all starts to happen pretty quickly. Within forty minutes

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 11>to an hour, we expect that pope to have made

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 11>the journey from the Sistine Chapel, through the Room of

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.439
<v Speaker 11>Tears to the balcony of Saint Peter's Basilica behind me,

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 11>and that will give people a chance to gather in

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 11>the square, because after they have the white smoke, the

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:31.119
<v Speaker 11>enormous bells of Saint Peter's Basilica will continuously ring across

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 11>the city of Rome, and you will have people running

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 11>down every single street. There will be a stampede of

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 11>people squeezing into this square, iPhones in the air. All

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 11>of the lights will come on behind me and they

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 11>will all be laser focused on that balcony. Vatican TV,

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 11>who are the state broadcaster, will start to relay the

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 11>pictures across the globe. National broadcasters of every country will

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 11>be taking that feed, and all the cameras will now

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 11>switch from that chimney and they will turn and focus

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 11>on the balcony. Then they will come out and they

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 11>will say we have a new pope. That person will

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 11>move to the side and out will come whoever that

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 11>person will be. If it's one of the front runners,

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 11>everyone will say, oh, it's Cardinal Pietro Paroline, is Taglay

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 11>from the Philippines, it is Turksten from Africa.

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 7>But if not, you're going to have a lot of reporters.

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 11>Quickly saying, as they did the last time, let's give

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 11>you a minute to just take in this incredible scene

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 11>here in the basilica while they quickly look through the

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.560
<v Speaker 11>sheets and saying, who is this cardinal, where are they from?

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 7>And what kind of papacy are we in for?

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Next? Colin Flint, we could talk or not. I can

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 1>listen to your voice all day, but more importantly, the.

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Passionate excitement that you have for the moment, it is

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 2>absolutely infixtious. Of course his home base, he's a awt

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:42.320
<v Speaker 2>in and we're very placed that he gives us a

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 2>bit of his time here and we've cleaned up as

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 2>for the area around you mate, all the best, Thank you, Paul.

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 11>We could talk for all night, and of course all

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 11>of eternity as well.

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 7>Very good.

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, I hope that I get to sit next to you,

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 2>but I might have to clean up my act all right,

0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Thank you vide appreciate it all right, We're going to

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 2>quick break back with more plenty to talk about Linda

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Scott and James Ashby about everything to do with politics,

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>what's happening when it comes to liberal leadership, and also

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 2>about whether James is still confident that there is about

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 2>to be a change in the Senate in Tasmania.

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>But a big week, tough week.

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I know that there's been a lot of conversation about

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 2>the election. Well how could there not be. It was

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 2>a seismic moment in Australian politics and we have to

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 2>deal with it as it is, not as we wish

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 2>it to be or an.

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 11>Es sec.

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Looking forward to this conversation.

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Linda Scott, who is rather happy the Labor Party won

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 2>pretty much everything on Saturday, indeed, congratulations and none of them.

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>James Ashby.

0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Of course, one nation's vote up across the country and

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 2>we'll see what's going to happen in Tazzy. So I'll

0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 2>start with you first, James. I know the official answer

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 2>is who knows? And I explained before the quotas and

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 2>all the rest of it, Right, how do you feel

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 2>tonight about what's going to happen in Tazzy in the Senate.

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 10>Well, that is exactly it, Paul. No one knows. It

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 10>could be two weeks. But what I am.

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:08.880
<v Speaker 9>Pleased to say is, regardless of whatever the outcome may be,

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 9>Lee Hanson, I don't want to put words into her mouth,

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 9>has not said she won't run again, So that gives

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 9>me hope that.

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 10>You know, if she's not successful this time, she will

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 10>run again.

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 9>I had the wa Senate candidate over there say to

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 9>be waiting for this announcement is worse than waiting for

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 9>a baby, because you know, the due date's gone and.

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 10>Passed, and now it's just.

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 9>Day after day after day, just holding out waiting for

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:34.480
<v Speaker 9>the arrival of that announcement.

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 10>So it's tedious. It's not just for us either.

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 9>There's plenty of people in other parties across the country

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 9>still waiting for their answer as well.

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, in terms of the going past the due date,

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 2>we're familiar with that in our family, and at some

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 2>point the word induction.

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Will be used and we'll all see what happens.

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Linda, again, let's go back to last Friday, Confident, looking

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 2>at the polls, what part of the result surprised you

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 2>the most? Just to say, wow, okay, I didn't even

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 2>see that one.

0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 8>Look.

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 12>I spent Saturday night in my local area with tenubly protect,

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 12>my local MP, and I don't think there was a

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 12>person in that room who was not really surprised by

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 12>the magnitude of Labour's victory. And each and every day,

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:26.240
<v Speaker 12>as those seats for Labor keep tailing up, I think

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 12>there continues to be you know, a real humility but

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 12>also an amazement about the scale of the victory. This is,

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 12>of course, the worst Liberal loss since the nineteen forties,

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 12>and I think, you know, they'll do their analysis, but

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 12>it does send a couple of messages. The first is

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 12>that I think Australians have just categorically rejected a kind

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 12>of lack of you know, positive vision for the future,

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 12>and the Liberals just did not put forward a positive

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 12>vision for what they wanted to see for Australia's future.

0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 12>And I think Australians have been really clear about that,

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.719
<v Speaker 12>both about the Greens, to be honest, and also the

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 12>Liberal Party. And I think that's a really significant lesson

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 12>that I think those groups need to think about.

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not sitting here pretending the sea candies and

0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 2>what the sea Candy is right, but it still is

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 2>a third, a third, a third, And yes, you know

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 2>you can, you can put a certain amount of expectation

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 2>on Greens preferences, Teels preferences. But if not for those preferences,

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 2>aren't isn't the Labor Party in a potent, well obviously

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 2>massive success.

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 12>Now the primary vote went up, It went up pretty

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 12>significantly this election. And you know, preferences are real vote

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 12>a right, so people are choosing Labor above the coalition.

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 12>I also think that Labor pre selected some fantastic candidates

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 12>right across the country and even in places where we thought.

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 8>We wouldn't win.

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 12>So I'll give you two examples. My great friend Sarah

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 12>Race in Flinders, a Victorian seat, was always an incredible candidate.

0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 12>The local councilor down there has worked so hard, made

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 12>a commitment from an urgent care clinic in medicare, range

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 12>of other commitments, daw knocked her heart out and that

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:15.720
<v Speaker 12>seat completely unexpectedly is on an absolute knife edge. Similarly,

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 12>Trish Cook, another counselor in Western Australia in Bullwink Will

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:21.319
<v Speaker 12>always was going to be a very tough seat for

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 12>Labor to win again on an absolute knife edge. So

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 12>we've pre selected really great candidates in winnable seats, in

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 12>difficult seats, and in totally unwinnable seats, and they have

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 12>absolutely outperformed.

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 8>The modern Liberal Party.

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 12>Has failed to reform the selection of their candidates to

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 12>have their candidates look like modern Australia and at some point,

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 12>you know, they have to recognize that that is holding

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:50.720
<v Speaker 12>them back with voters.

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll get to the future of that party in

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.239
<v Speaker 2>a moment or two's time. James, you obviously don't have

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 2>the same machine as the major parties, but you had

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 2>so many candidates. You have this national breed. You've got

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 2>this incredible once in a generation leader who can draw

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 2>a crowd wherever she goes, literally from the suburbs to

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 2>the Nullabor muster. Jesus, it was a shame we miss

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 2>you by a day or so in Calgooli. But what

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 2>did one nation learn out of this one.

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.239
<v Speaker 9>As a number of things, really, Paul, I think preparation

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.839
<v Speaker 9>is the biggest key here, As Linda said, when you've

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:28.120
<v Speaker 9>got candidates in the field for twelve months or more,

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:31.279
<v Speaker 9>being able to press the flesh with locals, talk about

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 9>those real issues, and it's not just a one off conversation,

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 9>it's that repetitive conversation. Utilizing the media better. That's a

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:44.280
<v Speaker 9>key important element. So I think for us, we're probably

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 9>going to use the next twelve months to really start

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 9>to put things into place that enables candidates to get

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 9>pre selected earlier so that they're not just in there

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:56.400
<v Speaker 9>for the six ten twelve week campaign. I'd love to

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 9>see every one of the one hundred and fifty candidates

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:03.279
<v Speaker 9>that are to run at the next federal election at

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 9>least we're twelve months up their sleeve to really get

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 9>embedded into the community. They live there already, they know

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 9>what the problems are. It's just about getting the community

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 9>to know that there is an alternative out there, and

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.800
<v Speaker 9>people are looking for an alternative. As he rightfully pointed out,

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 9>there's at least thirty percent of people out there that

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 9>are not prepared to vote for the major parties. And

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 9>when you've got candidates winning the winning government or should

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:32.279
<v Speaker 9>I say, you know, a party winning government of thirty

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 9>five percent, it really does leave it up in the

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 9>air as to where the future of politics goes in

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 9>the country.

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 7>Well.

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Also, I mean, you know, if he's true to his word,

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 2>and who knows, but CLIVEE. Palmer says that he's off

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the table now, and we know that there's about one

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:46.560
<v Speaker 2>and a half two percent or a little higher in

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 2>some of the places. Whether they moved towards one nation

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 2>because of its strength over the years, whether it goes

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 2>to the freedom fact, we will be fascinating to watch

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:57.799
<v Speaker 2>again in and around all of that. But congratulations on

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 2>a much better performance, well growing performance, but certainly in

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:03.800
<v Speaker 2>what you had this election compared to last.

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 1>All right, So, Linda, as.

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:09.880
<v Speaker 2>A roll gold progressive, As a person, I'd love to

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 2>see the world change, but you know you are aware

0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 2>of how personal hygiene works, which means you're not agreed.

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 8>So I'm definitely meant to joke. I think we can

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 8>all be clear.

0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 1>No, no, I know, I know I'm joking. Just Europe.

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 1>But you're high core progressive, right.

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 2>The progressive wing now is quite large, and it's having

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 2>its effect on whose ministers and all the rest of it.

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 2>But more importantly, this group of labor MPs and activists

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 2>who want major changes when it comes to climate change policy.

0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 2>They're saying that the emission standard should go from forty

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:49.719
<v Speaker 2>three percent by twenty thirty to seventy five percent by

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:53.359
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty five. Now, both parties didn't want to put

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 2>a number on any of this stuff before the election,

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 2>which means conversation happens. Now means legislations gets passed, and

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:01.239
<v Speaker 2>obviously with the help of the Great means the conversation

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:02.319
<v Speaker 2>is being driven.

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 1>By the progressives of the Labor Party.

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 2>Seventy five percent is very high and has a lot

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:12.960
<v Speaker 2>more political consequences and economic consequences than forty three, doesn't it.

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 12>Look The government has I think publicly said and Murray

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:18.359
<v Speaker 12>what I think said again today that the government needs

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:20.720
<v Speaker 12>to wait for the advice before they make your decision

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 12>about interim targets. And I think that's a very reasonable step.

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 12>There are economic consequences if we don't set targets, because

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 12>that potentially means a loss of investment and capital in

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 12>Australia that is very significant. We want to be a leader,

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:40.240
<v Speaker 12>We want to be a superpower in the energy revolution

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 12>that is producing cheaper, more renewable energy.

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 8>That is very reliable.

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 12>So I think it is important that we make decisions

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 12>as a government. I think it is important that we

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:55.359
<v Speaker 12>seek to attract investment to Australia especially at a time

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 12>when some of that investment might be pulling out of

0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 12>the US. We want that money to come to Australia.

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 12>We want to be able to attract that energy and

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.840
<v Speaker 12>those jobs here and to help Australians have, you know,

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:09.240
<v Speaker 12>the cheapest possible power prices. I think Australians have firmly

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:13.920
<v Speaker 12>rejected nuclear power. It's astonishing to me that we continue

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 12>to see liberals like Tim Wilson still putting this forward

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 12>as a proposition. I think Australians have categorically rejected nuclear power.

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 12>So I think it is important for the government to

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 12>set targets, but it's prudent and right for them to

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 12>take advice about that. And you know, look, the Labor

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 12>Party is the oldest political party in Australia. Of course

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 12>we will have robust policy debates, but we have democratic

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:40.960
<v Speaker 12>structures within.

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 8>The Labor Party to do that.

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 12>Like a long time ago, when I was first pre

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 12>selected for local government.

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 1>What color was your heavn No? Pinkes? Definitely was Did

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:50.759
<v Speaker 1>you ever have pink kere?

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:52.439
<v Speaker 8>Definitely less gray than it is now.

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Come come on, man, right buddy, let's fight the power.

0:39:58.239 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 8>Listen.

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:02.840
<v Speaker 12>Four thousand people voted in my pre selection as a

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.880
<v Speaker 12>Labor candidate in the City of Sydney to be Labour's

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:07.240
<v Speaker 12>candidate for that council.

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Right, we have.

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 12>Robust debates, we have democracy. There was a huge number

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 12>of candidates that ran against me, so you rubbing it

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 12>in more. We're an old established party that has democratic

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:25.640
<v Speaker 12>rules where we seek to reflect the Australian contemporary.

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Modern correct But the nature of National Executive and the

0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:31.839
<v Speaker 2>caucus is now much more left wings. So it's good

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 2>to hear what progressives want because they have a better

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 2>and cleaner path to it, as opposed to maybe those

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 2>early days when the new souplause right was in the

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 2>one sort of going yeah, yeah, yeah, let's move on, right, James,

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:47.240
<v Speaker 2>seventy five percent renewables, Let's imagine it's sixty five percent.

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Let's imagine it's fifty five not renewables in terms of

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 2>the emissions cut right now, I think this was one

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:55.920
<v Speaker 2>of the areas where because the Coalition couldn't come up

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.319
<v Speaker 2>with a Goalilock's number, they wanted to avoid it for

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:00.160
<v Speaker 2>the teals and all the rest of it. Right, But

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 2>if there's this scenario where forty three becomes fifty three,

0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 2>sixty three seventy three. That is massive changes that are

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 2>going to have some serious consequences. Would you think or

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 2>is there expectation? I was just bashing up the bush.

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:15.439
<v Speaker 2>They vote national, they vote one nation.

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:20.640
<v Speaker 9>Who cares, Paul, lock it in, Go for it if

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 9>that's what Labour want to do. Lock it in the

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 9>sooner this country hurts the better when it comes to

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 9>crippling our energy network by going with these unrealistic figures.

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 9>That's exactly what you got. A wake up set the

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:37.960
<v Speaker 9>Australian people up. No, no, no, you've set the target. You

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.359
<v Speaker 9>say you've got a mandate, go for it. But I'll

0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 9>tell you what, you won't be there in three years time.

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 9>People will see the writing on the wall when you

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:48.960
<v Speaker 9>know we're powershdding and we're turning people's smart meters off

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 9>because there's a massive roll out at the moment, Paul,

0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 9>have you noticed how quickly the government of on a

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:55.560
<v Speaker 9>fast track to run these smart meters out.

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 10>They're supposed to be rolled out by twenty thirty.

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 9>No, no, no, they're sending letters to every household right

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 9>now to put smart meters in as quick as possible.

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.440
<v Speaker 9>Why is that Well they can then turn them off

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:09.879
<v Speaker 9>remotely so that you've got nowhere conditioning or if they

0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 9>choose to turn your dishwash off, they can.

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 10>Do all that remotely.

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 8>Goodness, and this is.

0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:21.920
<v Speaker 9>The result of looking a seventy It happens in Queensland target.

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 9>So you know, you say you want to lock it,

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 9>and why are you afraid to power back to the

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 9>glow further than that? You know as well as I do.

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.040
<v Speaker 9>All right, stand by now, back into the grid right now.

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 9>And I don't have a smart meter, stand by, grubbish.

0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:38.640
<v Speaker 9>We know what they we know it. Yet we know

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 9>what they're capable of doing. And this is what the

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 9>government will do. So if you want to ruin the economy,

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:46.879
<v Speaker 9>you set your hard targets of seventy five percent, lock

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 9>them in.

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 10>Go for it, eddie, but you won't be there in

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 10>three years.

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:51.360
<v Speaker 2>All right, Let's talk about your center price, where the

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.440
<v Speaker 2>labor would feed her, and whether there's going to be

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 2>a fair amount of fighting inside the coalition in the

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:57.359
<v Speaker 2>next of the while we break back with more here

0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 2>on Paul Murray Live. Thanks for watching this Thursday night.

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 2>There they are, all right, let's get into the conversation

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 2>again with James Ashby. Of course, all things one nation

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 2>and happy to spend a couple of nights at home

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 2>after a long campaign, and the wonderful Linda Scott in

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 2>the man.

0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Cave as well.

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:18.239
<v Speaker 2>All Right, So the news tonight is that just into

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:20.839
<v Speaker 2>Napajmer Price, she leaves the National Party Room.

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:22.439
<v Speaker 1>She'll go to the Liberal Party room.

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:26.719
<v Speaker 2>The speculation is that she may well be part of

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 2>the leadership ticket, and I think all of us know

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:31.319
<v Speaker 2>that she's one of, if not the best performer on

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.719
<v Speaker 2>the right side of Australian politics at the moment. This

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 2>is what she said to Peter Kredlin a bit earlier tonight.

0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 4>I've always felt like the Liberal Party room is my

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:45.480
<v Speaker 4>natural home, given you know, the Liberal Party is the

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 4>freedom Party, the party of responsibility. Given the current circumstances,

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 4>I think now more than ever, when it's strong people

0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 4>within the Liberal Party, we need to be able to rebuild.

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:02.320
<v Speaker 4>We need to ensure that we don't don't lose support.

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Now, part of this has created a direction inside the

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 2>National Party because by her leaving the National Party it

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 2>no longer has party status in the Upper House. Now,

0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 2>whether this all works out and somebody moves back, we'll

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.800
<v Speaker 2>all find out together. But Matt Canavan. He didn't hold back.

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:21.759
<v Speaker 3>Just sent has done enormous damage to her reputation. I've

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:25.640
<v Speaker 3>had enormous being inundated with feedback from people from the

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 3>Northern Territory, very upset. She hasn't spoken to members up

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:31.799
<v Speaker 3>there who elected her, hasn't spoken to the party, hasn't

0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 3>spoken to her colleagues and camera about this. It's not

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 3>the sort of behavior I think Austrains appreciate, and it's

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 3>the sort of kind of thing that Lydia Thorpe did.

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 3>How is what your center's doing any different from what

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:41.359
<v Speaker 3>Lydia did?

0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Worse than Lydia.

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Lydia at least had a policy disagreement with the Greens

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 3>that just center's left. In this case, she's left our party,

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.359
<v Speaker 3>left her colleagues, left the people that supported her. Not

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:52.319
<v Speaker 3>not sort of behavior you should be proud of.

0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Now, let's imagine all of the party status stuff somehows

0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:58.799
<v Speaker 2>worked out next week, next month, whatever. Let's get to

0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.399
<v Speaker 2>the fundamental here about you, Senter Price being even further

0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:04.480
<v Speaker 2>on the front line of Australian politics. I don't know

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 2>about you, James, watching her versus Penny Wong in Senate

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:11.279
<v Speaker 2>question time they'll have to sell tickets because she can

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 2>kick ass.

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, but she's been given that opportunity to ask questions

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:20.440
<v Speaker 9>of Penny Wong during question time. Anyway, mcaalia Cash leads

0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 9>the Senate and that will be what happens in the

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:26.319
<v Speaker 9>future as well. There's no one better to run the

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:29.160
<v Speaker 9>Parliament or to run the Senate than Mecaalia Cash, so

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.000
<v Speaker 9>there won't be any changes there, Paul. I can understand

0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:36.120
<v Speaker 9>Matt Canavan's frustration here. Matt Canavan is doing the job

0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 9>that David Little Proud should be running as Leader of

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:42.439
<v Speaker 9>the Nationals. But you know, I've seen over the last

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:44.319
<v Speaker 9>couple of weeks of this campaign. I've said to you

0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:47.479
<v Speaker 9>six months ago that there was some disarray in both

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:49.759
<v Speaker 9>the Liberal camp and the National camp. And you know,

0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:53.040
<v Speaker 9>I know Michael Kraeger said that, oh, I know, everything's fine.

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.600
<v Speaker 9>Well it hasn't been. This has been bubbling away under

0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:59.400
<v Speaker 9>the surface for a while. But I can understand the

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 9>frustration when you've gone into bat you put so much

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 9>money behind candidate and then they drop you as a

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.360
<v Speaker 9>party and go to somebody else, quite literally within a

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 9>week of those polling results being revealed. It must be disappointing.

0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:15.719
<v Speaker 9>But with that said, just Centerprise has enormous talent, we

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:18.960
<v Speaker 9>know that, but this is not what the Australian public

0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:23.840
<v Speaker 9>want to see politicians doing, is squabbling over positions within

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 9>the party ranks. You know, I don't think at the

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 9>very moment there's some awful talent to choose from to

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 9>take on that leadership of the Liberal Party. You know,

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 9>I don't have faith in any of the leadership options

0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:42.560
<v Speaker 9>that they've got on the table here. And this is

0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 9>why one Nation continues to do better and better every

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:50.720
<v Speaker 9>federal election cycle and every state cycle because the Liberal

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:52.160
<v Speaker 9>Party don't have strength anymore.

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:53.839
<v Speaker 10>And it's really disappointing to see that.

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:56.440
<v Speaker 9>You know, I see them in the opposition, not just

0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:58.879
<v Speaker 9>this term, but possibly the next one if they can't

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:00.959
<v Speaker 9>get their act together now.

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Linda obviously wish nothing but the best for the coalition

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.520
<v Speaker 2>over the next three years, but your thoughts on this move.

0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:11.440
<v Speaker 12>Look at the last federal election, there were some pretty

0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 12>clear indicators of a splinter between the National Party and

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 12>the Liberal Party, and I think it's fair to say

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:21.399
<v Speaker 12>that privately many in the National Party in particular were

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:25.600
<v Speaker 12>questioning whether the coalition was going to have a future

0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:30.840
<v Speaker 12>and I think, as Senator nampajimp prices defection today shows

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:35.280
<v Speaker 12>that there is a really clear and ongoing ideological divide

0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 12>between those two groups, and not just her behavior. You know,

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:41.319
<v Speaker 12>you've seen Senator Bridget Mackenzie today say, you know, will

0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:44.439
<v Speaker 12>the parties merged? She over my dead body, she said,

0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:47.400
<v Speaker 12>you know. So there are clear differences between these.

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Two and then that's when they are on their own race.

0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, they hold the line, they hold the line.

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:53.560
<v Speaker 8>Let's be clear.

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 12>You know, there are now members of the Federal Parliament

0:47:57.080 --> 0:48:00.920
<v Speaker 12>in the National Party who've on their ballot papers in

0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:05.239
<v Speaker 12>the past voted Labor before Liberal in their preferences. And

0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:09.000
<v Speaker 12>this is why I say preferences are real votes.

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:09.320
<v Speaker 8>And they matter.

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.120
<v Speaker 12>You know, there are people in that Federal Parliament now,

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:16.320
<v Speaker 12>in the National Party that I think are really actively

0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:20.279
<v Speaker 12>questioning whether the coalition has a future as a group

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 12>of two parties that continue to collaborate because their policies

0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 12>are different in the regions. You know, Australians know they

0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:30.120
<v Speaker 12>need government, they need good government services. And when you

0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 12>continue to have culture wars in the cities in the

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.240
<v Speaker 12>middle of the Liberal parties that are not relevant.

0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Defending principle isn't necessarily cultural. It's another debate for another time.

0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 8>It's going to be a really rocky past.

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Thank you guys, do appreciate it.

0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I've got a little bit of news before we are done,

0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:48.959
<v Speaker 2>and it is for the Captain of the Matildas. Sam

0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Kerr has announced that her and her partner have had

0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 2>their baby and the little boy's name is Jagger. That's

0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:55.920
<v Speaker 2>our show for the night and for the week. We'll

0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 2>see you again Sunday night.

0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Go Yankee. Stutter didn't