Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Burray Live, Hello
Speaker 1: and happy Thursday.
Speaker 2: What has been a difficult week is now starting to
Speaker 2: turn into the full on fight on the conservative side
Speaker 2: of politics.
Speaker 1: To that in the moment of twos time.
Speaker 2: In a moment we will go live to the Vatican.
Speaker 2: Colin Flynn, they a lovely friend from Ireland, will tell
Speaker 2: us about the very latest and about when the next
Speaker 2: round of voting. There will be a couple more votes tonight,
Speaker 2: so the chance that you will wake up to a
Speaker 2: new pope with Peter Stefanovic pretty damn good. Are going
Speaker 2: to go into an area that could give me into trouble,
Speaker 2: but it's one worth talking about, which is the massive
Speaker 2: explosion in the necessity for more units and more housing.
Speaker 2: How does it change electorates? How does it change politics?
Speaker 2: And James Ashby and Linda Scott both were plenty to
Speaker 2: say here tonight a slightly different version of what you
Speaker 2: have heard of the start of most people shows, which
Speaker 2: is what was the big story today. Labour's crushing win
Speaker 2: has knocked out Green's leader Adam band.
Speaker 3: Gres leader Adam Bandt lost his seat of Melbourne.
Speaker 4: Greens leader Adam band has now considered defeat in his electorate.
Speaker 4: Green's leader Adam Band has officially conceded, making him the
Speaker 4: second party leader to fall at this election.
Speaker 2: Now, unlike well you've already seen it one hundred times,
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you him looking today about preferences
Speaker 2: when preferences, of course have helped him and other Greens
Speaker 2: make their way into the Upper House for a very
Speaker 2: long period of time and him into the Lower House
Speaker 2: for a long period of time. But let's just look
Speaker 2: back on the incredible rule of this guy as a
Speaker 2: political force in Australia.
Speaker 5: If US President Joe Biden can pardon people who've had
Speaker 5: a joint, then Australia can do the same. Australia will
Speaker 5: be writing a bank check, will be spending untold billions
Speaker 5: on a fleet of floating chernobyls.
Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson, like Donald Trump, do not care which group
Speaker 1: of people.
Speaker 5: They pick on and whose lives they put it threat
Speaker 5: which have been detaching ourselves from Donald Trump. I mean,
Speaker 5: Donald Trump is dangerous, danger to peace, danger to democracy,
Speaker 5: danger to Australia.
Speaker 1: Go away, go away, go away.
Speaker 2: But I want to turn my attention to something else
Speaker 2: about the Greens. Now they often love to pretend that
Speaker 2: they are somehow different than the rest of Australian politics.
Speaker 5: Major party majorty, major party, major party, major party, major parties,
Speaker 5: major parties.
Speaker 1: The toothbrush is so weird. It is so weird.
Speaker 2: I get the big prop thing. But Australian solomn We're
Speaker 2: to shove it all right now. They also love pretending
Speaker 2: that they are closer to the people than any other
Speaker 2: of the major parties.
Speaker 1: Democracy.
Speaker 5: Democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy.
Speaker 2: But who will pick the next leader of the Greens?
Speaker 2: Will it be the membership of the Greens?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: In fact, it's only the Labor Party that has the
Speaker 2: option if two people to run for the leadership for
Speaker 2: the membership that paid up and proud people who do
Speaker 2: all the work every election, state, federal and sometimes even
Speaker 2: local to have a say in whom it best represents them.
Speaker 1: But the Greens are like every.
Speaker 2: Other political party, which is that they do their best
Speaker 2: to avoid any sort of open fraction about choosing between
Speaker 2: one leader and the other. Let me explain. When Bob
Speaker 2: Brown decided it was time to leave as the leader
Speaker 2: of the Greens, a deal was done and he would
Speaker 2: be replaced by Christine Milne, no vote of the party room,
Speaker 2: no vote of the members. When Christine Milne was sliding
Speaker 2: out the door, the Victorian Green Richard Dena Tali becomes
Speaker 2: the leader. No vote in the membership in the Parliament
Speaker 2: and no vote of the members of the Greens. When
Speaker 2: Richard Dena Tali left Adam Bant, the crown was just
Speaker 2: placed upon his head. The people who claim to be
Speaker 2: closer to the people don't even let the members of
Speaker 2: the party who are elected to Parliament choose. Instead, a
Speaker 2: deal is always done. Now, this is something that we
Speaker 2: do see in major parties from time to time, and
Speaker 2: we'll find out what happens when it comes to the Liberals.
Speaker 2: Their meeting has been announced for Tuesday morning. Whether there
Speaker 2: will be a contest or not. But if there is
Speaker 2: a contest amongst the Liberals, it will be decided by
Speaker 2: the people whom have been elected to the parliament. If
Speaker 2: there is a contest between two people to lead the
Speaker 2: Labor Party, there's a fifty to fifty contest. Remember back
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen when Anthony Aberanzi first showed that he
Speaker 2: wanted to lead the Labor Party and he went toe
Speaker 2: to toe around the country in a debate with Bill
Speaker 2: Shorten in front of the members. The members chose Anthony Aberesi,
Speaker 2: but the design of the system meant that the MPs
Speaker 2: had a greater say, and the MPs well, they ended
Speaker 2: up choosing Bill short But when it comes to the Greens,
Speaker 2: the likelihood is that, like dare I say, smoke appearing
Speaker 2: from a chimney on the.
Speaker 1: Other side of the world, we will just learn that
Speaker 1: there is a different leader.
Speaker 2: We will not hear that there are multiple people trying
Speaker 2: to put their hands up now. Of those who claim
Speaker 2: to have some insight into how the Greens are working
Speaker 2: right now, you would think that Larissa Waters would be
Speaker 2: most likely the one to take over, but apparently the
Speaker 2: deputy leader doesn't want a lot of the personal heat
Speaker 2: that comes with being the leader of the Greens. She
Speaker 2: also has a bit of rebuild work to do in Queensland.
Speaker 2: So apparently it is now down to Sarah Hanson Young,
Speaker 2: who's been around for a very long time yet for
Speaker 2: some reason has never been able to get out of
Speaker 2: first year when it comes to being Leader of the Greens,
Speaker 2: or Marine Ferouki. Now Marine Ferouki is of course somebody
Speaker 2: who has made quite a name for herself. The types
Speaker 2: of people that she has stood next to at protests
Speaker 2: would suggest that she wouldn't be fit for any high office,
Speaker 2: but that may well be the qualification to make her
Speaker 2: the Green's leader. Anyone who criticizes her is referred to
Speaker 2: as a racist, and anyone who criticizes Sarah Hanson Young
Speaker 2: is apparently a sexist. So we're going to be in
Speaker 2: for a fun next three years, especially if these are
Speaker 2: the two key contenders for a job that seemingly is
Speaker 2: always decided by someone in a back room.
Speaker 7: And as Hamas need to be dismantled.
Speaker 8: Listen to the situation with Hamas is.
Speaker 1: Surely you're able to say where you'd like to see
Speaker 1: them gone.
Speaker 8: And it's not up to me to say who should
Speaker 8: be gone or not?
Speaker 9: Have you sold out your environment credentials?
Speaker 8: Throw it often.
Speaker 4: Stinking in an attention some you're prepared to sit behind
Speaker 4: closed doors and tell your own members Sena hands is young.
Speaker 10: And nobody in this room was in caucus this morning night.
Speaker 4: In this room, no exactly, the Minister would have no
Speaker 4: line of sight of that.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, Minister Farrell, that was a statement, So.
Speaker 10: Order order.
Speaker 1: What a choice now? In Rome?
Speaker 2: It will be smoke that comes from the burning of
Speaker 2: ballots inside the papal conclave in the Liberal Party, and
Speaker 2: they will be cigar filled back rooms. What type of
Speaker 2: smoke do you think that they smoke in the Greens
Speaker 2: party room before they make their decisions?
Speaker 1: I repeat, If nothing.
Speaker 2: Else, it'll be an interesting three years ahead, regardless of
Speaker 2: what we will be called for. Dear criticizing any of
Speaker 2: these great future Titanic leaders, of which they will build
Speaker 2: statues too.
Speaker 1: Out of Asahi, I assume.
Speaker 9: All right.
Speaker 2: As for the Liberal Party race, it does seem to
Speaker 2: be despite the fact no one said anything publicly, And
Speaker 2: don't you love this. I want to lead my party,
Speaker 2: i want to lead the country, but I've got to
Speaker 2: check with all my people first.
Speaker 1: To do the numbers.
Speaker 2: Susan Lay versus Angus Taylor, the dan Tian of it all, Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening. There is no public reporting
Speaker 2: about whom, if anyone, he's going to be backing. But
Speaker 2: we'll all find out together. Because Susan Lay, as the
Speaker 2: acting leader of the party, has announced that on Tuesday
Speaker 2: morning is when they.
Speaker 1: Will have their leadership ballot.
Speaker 2: All positions will be available at it being for the
Speaker 2: leader the deputy leader.
Speaker 1: And we'll see what happens. Now.
Speaker 2: Interestingly, the big X factor in and around all of
Speaker 2: this is our friend just into Nampa, jimper Price, the
Speaker 2: senator freshly re elected to the Country Liberal Party, which
Speaker 2: is an adjunct of the National Party, and she has
Speaker 2: now announced, as you know, that she is moving from
Speaker 2: the National Party to the Liberal Party.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: Apparently this is because she may well be part of
Speaker 2: a leadership team. Now, whether she just has the deputy
Speaker 2: leadership to herself and the leadership is to be decided.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: We have no inside apart from what is being said
Speaker 2: publicly here. For her part, just Enterprise was on with
Speaker 2: my colleague and friend Peter Quedlin tonight.
Speaker 4: I've always felt like the Liberal Party room is my
Speaker 4: natural home. Given the Liberal Party is the Freedom Party,
Speaker 4: the party of responsibility. Given the current circumstances, I think
Speaker 4: now more than ever, when it's strong people within the
Speaker 4: Liberal Party, we need to be able to rebuild. We
Speaker 4: need to ensure that we don't lose support.
Speaker 2: Now this has consequences, not just because it of course
Speaker 2: potentially moves to Enterprise even closer to that position that
Speaker 2: many of us believe that she will eventually have, which
Speaker 2: is the ability to challenge and potentially be elected Prime
Speaker 2: minister in this country. That would be a fabulous thing,
Speaker 2: but the consequence for the National Party is pretty serious too.
Speaker 1: In the short term.
Speaker 2: You see, they just had, including Senator Nampajin for Price,
Speaker 2: five people who had been elected to the Senate Perin Davy,
Speaker 2: the deputy leader of the National Party in New South
Speaker 2: Wales where she lost her seat with the abysmal performance
Speaker 2: of the Liberal Party on the weekend. So once five
Speaker 2: becomes four, you are no longer officially afforded party status,
Speaker 2: meaning the types of access that you automatically have to
Speaker 2: things in the Senate in terms of procedure and the
Speaker 2: amount of staff that you have behind the scenes. Is
Speaker 2: potentially one of the reasons why one of those remaining
Speaker 2: senators from the National Party, Matt Canavan, was as clear
Speaker 2: as he was in his disappointment at this decision. This
Speaker 2: was quite an extraordinary intervention from him on Shari's program.
Speaker 2: In the past sixty minutes.
Speaker 3: She sent has done enormous damage to her reputation. I've
Speaker 3: had enormous being inundated with feedback from people from the
Speaker 3: Northern Territory very upset. She hasn't spoken to members up
Speaker 3: there who elected her, hasn't spoken to the party, hasn't
Speaker 3: spoken to a colleagues and camera about this. It's not
Speaker 3: the sort of behavior I think Austrains appreciate, and it's
Speaker 3: the sort of kind of thing that Lydia Thorpe did.
Speaker 3: How is what your center's doing any different from what
Speaker 3: Lydia did? In fact, it's worse than Lydia. Lydia at
Speaker 3: least had a policy disagreement with the Greens. Your center's
Speaker 3: left in this case, he's left our party, left, her colleagues,
Speaker 3: left the people that supported her. Not not sort of
Speaker 3: behavior you should be proud of.
Speaker 2: Now, if they're willing to say that publicly, what are
Speaker 2: they saying privately? Are we beginning to see what is
Speaker 2: going to be a very difficult week for the coalition
Speaker 2: about whether it remains a coalition at all? Has there
Speaker 2: been some sort of a trade off somewhere that we
Speaker 2: will find out that the new leadership team will move
Speaker 2: a Liberal National Party, sorry, a Liberal Party senator to
Speaker 2: become a National Party senator.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're all flying blind.
Speaker 2: The events of this week had been traumatic. The repositioning
Speaker 2: of the party has the potential to be traumatic as well. Obviously,
Speaker 2: I want you cinto Nampa jimper Price to be the
Speaker 2: leader of the Opposition in the Senate because wouldn't you
Speaker 2: love to see just inter Nampa, jimper Price or Matt
Speaker 2: Canavan going up against Penny Wong every single question time. Frankly,
Speaker 2: it'll probably be more interesting than whatever's going to be
Speaker 2: happening in the Lower House.
Speaker 1: But really watch this space.
Speaker 2: As for Susan Lay and whether she is going to
Speaker 2: become the next party leader, so interesting reporting there that
Speaker 2: apparently one of the things that she's trying to do
Speaker 2: is her and some factional people because the Liberal Party
Speaker 2: as factions are trying to suggest a unity ticket one
Speaker 2: of us, one of you, And according to the Australian newspaper,
Speaker 2: Liberal sources say that miss Lay has been offering high
Speaker 2: level shadow cabinet positions to people, including you can be
Speaker 2: the Defense spokesperson, the Foreign Affairs or the Treasury spokesperson.
Speaker 2: Now all of that makes sense when you're trying to
Speaker 2: get votes for a leadership position, but generally speaking, you
Speaker 2: don't promise those jobs until after you have become the leader,
Speaker 2: According to a senior Liberal familiar with the negotiations, who
Speaker 2: could be a lefty trying to make a point, or
Speaker 2: a riety trying to make a point. She's approaching it
Speaker 2: in quite a transactional way, offering people jobs in exchange
Speaker 2: for votes. This would work to a degree, but it's
Speaker 2: kind of pretty unstable coalition in terms of what she's
Speaker 2: trying to put together as her leadership position. Those who
Speaker 2: apparently have been offered the jobs Ted O'Brien, Dante and
Speaker 2: Alex Hawke, Tim Wilson Msleigh supporters deny that any offers
Speaker 2: have been made now. Obviously, part of the rebuilding is,
Speaker 2: as I've said from Sunday night, not just about learning
Speaker 2: a lesson, but being seen to learn a lesson. And
Speaker 2: regardless of who the leader is, it would be pretty
Speaker 2: amazing to see the deputy leader be an Indigenous woman.
Speaker 2: But why not do what say the Greens have done,
Speaker 2: which is how to have multiple deputies? Why not a
Speaker 2: conversation about people like Tim Wilson, who, apart from being
Speaker 2: able to defeat a teal, was incredibly significant in his
Speaker 2: ability to put together and prosecute the case in and
Speaker 2: around the Frankin credit stuff from twenty nineteen. Now, of
Speaker 2: course it doesn't matter that he's a gay man, but
Speaker 2: what an offering the liberal he could potentially put forward
Speaker 2: to say that it is not what the Labor Party
Speaker 2: or Green's caricature is, but instead is one that is
Speaker 2: as modern as the country. We'll all wait and see here. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm not sending smoke signals about what I think should happen.
Speaker 2: It's not my job. My job is to look on
Speaker 2: as yes, one of the millions of people who wanted
Speaker 2: a different outcome after this election, who on Sunday night
Speaker 2: has already suggested in long form and please go and
Speaker 2: have a look at it on my Facebook page. Just
Speaker 2: go searching for form my re Live, where you'll find
Speaker 2: the link to our story it's going neews dot com.
Speaker 2: That are you, or the YouTube page about the five
Speaker 2: things that could be done at the organizational level to
Speaker 2: modernize the party. But Tim Wilson is not ruling himself
Speaker 2: out as either trying to go for a top job
Speaker 2: or potentially the deputy job, or why not. Now, I'm
Speaker 2: sure there's some constitution somewhere that someone's going to have
Speaker 2: to change a rule, but why not have serious people
Speaker 2: towards the front end, who are all able to attack
Speaker 2: things from different angles. Tim Wilson says that he was
Speaker 2: left scratching his head after all of this. In fact,
Speaker 2: this in part is what he said about what he's
Speaker 2: looking for in a leader in an interview on three
Speaker 2: our w this morning.
Speaker 6: What I'm looking for is somebody who's going to project
Speaker 6: where we're going to go as a country, because that's
Speaker 6: the basis that we're going to persuade voters about the
Speaker 6: direction we need to go. And if you can't do that,
Speaker 6: I left scratching my head about any candidates.
Speaker 2: And you can add his voice to amition others with
Speaker 2: an opinion about what went wrong.
Speaker 6: If you want people to go in a direction you want,
Speaker 6: you then need to build out the policy stepping stones
Speaker 6: and persuade people to get there. The reality is the
Speaker 6: party fell short on that.
Speaker 2: It'll be fun when we're back here on Sunday night.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen. One deputy, two deputies, unity deputies,
Speaker 2: no deputies, people changing parties, people being offered jobs. Sadly,
Speaker 2: all of it, of course, isn't about power. It's about
Speaker 2: representation inside the party. Its power inside the party. The
Speaker 2: focus of power is of course on the government and
Speaker 2: what it will do with it for the next three
Speaker 2: and probably many more years after that. As for the
Speaker 2: latest counting, on top of what we learned today about
Speaker 2: Adam Bant going bye bye, I want to run through
Speaker 2: a couple of these things. In Southeast Queensland and the
Speaker 2: seat of Longman Terry Young, who is the LNP.
Speaker 1: Member. He's holding on, but he's holding on just.
Speaker 2: Two hundred and eighty nine votes right now, with eighty
Speaker 2: and a bit percent counted. In Bradfield, it is very
Speaker 2: very tight one hundred and ninety eight votes with the
Speaker 2: Liberal in front. The good sign for her is that
Speaker 2: there is only about what twelve and a big percent
Speaker 2: left to count. It would look like Monique Ryan is
Speaker 2: probably going to hold on on cou Jong, but who knows,
Speaker 2: still plenty of vote to go at eighty three percent
Speaker 2: and Menique Ryan has a lead of six hundred and
Speaker 2: nine votes. Meantime, over in Bean in South Australia, the
Speaker 2: Teal still leads the Labor Party, so Labor of course
Speaker 2: automatically assumes they will win all the lower House seats
Speaker 2: in the Act. But we'll all find out together whether
Speaker 2: it'll be a teal that will start eating away at
Speaker 2: the Labor Party and most interestingly, probably to all of us. Certainly,
Speaker 2: one of our guests tonight is the Tasmanian Senate. Now,
Speaker 2: who knows where this.
Speaker 1: Is going to go.
Speaker 2: Ultimately a computer will decide the very final spot. But
Speaker 2: the Labour Party has got two senators elected, the Liberal
Speaker 2: Party one the Greens won. That means that there are.
Speaker 1: Two seats left.
Speaker 2: According to the predictive websites that are up on things
Speaker 2: like the ABC, they suggest that currently it is the
Speaker 2: Liberals who will get one, and most likely Jackie Lamby.
Speaker 2: But don't assume that to be the case, because if
Speaker 2: the Labor Party can't get itself to another member, there
Speaker 2: half of a quota will be added to Lamby's half
Speaker 2: of a quota and she will win. But if the
Speaker 2: Liberals can't get somebody up and there what two thirds
Speaker 2: will be added to the more than a third quarter
Speaker 2: of Pauline Hanson, and therefore Lee Hanson will be the
Speaker 2: next senator from Tasmai. There is a lot to get through,
Speaker 2: there is a lot to keep an eye on, and
Speaker 2: we shall do so on all things when it comes
Speaker 2: to politics. But yes, we will move on to an
Speaker 2: awful lot of other things as well. All right, let's
Speaker 2: get to Colin Flynn, our mate at the Vatican right now,
Speaker 2: is with the Catholic News Network, and he joins us,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure the microphone has been welded to his
Speaker 2: jacket this time. Hello, my great friend. So two votes down,
Speaker 2: no result, obviously, you go.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I was just going to say that yesterday when
Speaker 11: I arrived and we were talking, I'd never experienced anything
Speaker 11: like it, because the mic popped off. There was empty
Speaker 11: beer bottles all over the place. Not a crew member
Speaker 11: insider to this says, I don't know how you operate
Speaker 11: the shoulder at sky, but there was somebods.
Speaker 7: But we're here. We're on though.
Speaker 2: All right, So we're two votes down and no result
Speaker 2: right now. Give me an insight into there are more
Speaker 2: votes today, aren't they.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a few more today.
Speaker 11: And actually, let me just bring you back to last night,
Speaker 11: because we haven't spoken since then. When we first the
Speaker 11: black smoke, something strange happened, and we think that something
Speaker 11: went wrong inside that conclave because we were told we
Speaker 11: would have smoke white or black anytime between seven and
Speaker 11: seven thirty.
Speaker 7: So we were here waiting, and you can.
Speaker 11: Imagine Paul, myself and my colleagues on e WTN. We
Speaker 11: were broadcasting live, and we waited and we waited, and
Speaker 11: it came nearly two hours later. Now that is unusual.
Speaker 11: That never happened. So there are theories going around today
Speaker 11: that perhaps maybe some of the cardinals who were allotted
Speaker 11: a fifteen minute slot to speak in the Sistine Chapel
Speaker 11: went on for maybe an hour. There could have been
Speaker 11: a medical emergency with one of the cardinals, there could
Speaker 11: have been a malfunction with the actual stove itself.
Speaker 7: But to be waiting for two hours for that smoke was.
Speaker 11: Very unusual, and we haven't seen that happen for a
Speaker 11: long long time. So I'll probably have to wait until
Speaker 11: after the conclave to find out what that major delay was.
Speaker 11: But I was in the crowd forty five thousand people
Speaker 11: standing staring at that chimney and those famous pigeons.
Speaker 7: For two hours.
Speaker 11: Today we saw black smoke again, and now we're waiting
Speaker 11: for two more ballots, which do to happen this afternoon,
Speaker 11: and you know, will we see white smoke this evening.
Speaker 11: Some people I speak to on the street who work
Speaker 11: in the Vatican members of different icastris. They say, I
Speaker 11: reckon we're going to see White Smoke tonight, and I
Speaker 11: think we're going to see it, but what are they
Speaker 11: basing it on. It's all on a hunch and we
Speaker 11: just don't know. They do say that if it stretches
Speaker 11: into tomorrow, that is it getting into the longer terms
Speaker 11: for a conclave. Remember, the last couple have been two
Speaker 11: or three days. You have to go back to the
Speaker 11: nineteen twenties to get one that lasted five days.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you fill time on air, but
Speaker 2: when you're just looking at a chimney and no one's
Speaker 2: texting you from inside, how many angles of the chimney
Speaker 2: do we have here at Sky? What if our director
Speaker 2: a team, if you can just go to as many
Speaker 2: as we possibly have.
Speaker 1: I was watching Fox News before. I think they've got three.
Speaker 2: Do you get into the conversation about the how many
Speaker 2: seagulls have come and gone? Because it does feel like
Speaker 2: that's one angle? Have we only got one angle on?
Speaker 2: We've only got one? So what angles do you do?
Speaker 2: You do you have multiple cameras that you can just
Speaker 2: because that's a lot of feeling when the conclive is
Speaker 2: a talking.
Speaker 7: You know, It's right, Paul.
Speaker 11: We do have three or four cameras on the chimney,
Speaker 11: but at the end of the day, a chimney is
Speaker 11: a chimney, and you know, no matter how beautiful these
Speaker 11: shots look. And even last night we saw the sun
Speaker 11: going down behind the chimney and it looked gorgeous.
Speaker 7: But after around an hour and a half, when it.
Speaker 11: Stretches into two hours, you're like, all right, come on,
Speaker 11: we want to see something coming out of that chimney.
Speaker 11: But what I couldn't believe was talking to the people
Speaker 11: in the crowd from all over the world, and I
Speaker 11: met a lot of people from Australia as well. The
Speaker 11: enthusiasm didn't win. People were still excited and a bit
Speaker 11: like in a football game. Every now and then you
Speaker 11: heard it kind of the crowd go whoa when someone
Speaker 11: thought they saw something. And when the smoke did come out,
Speaker 11: you know, when it kind of trickles out at the
Speaker 11: beginning and people are looking to say what color is that?
Speaker 11: You hear a gasp of anticipation and then a beg oh.
Speaker 11: And people are coming back again tomorrow. But it's just
Speaker 11: a fascinating time to be here because Paul. You know,
Speaker 11: we're joking around and talking about it. It is an
Speaker 11: election of sorts. But you know, us Christians and Catholics
Speaker 11: believe that what is happening here is actually much more
Speaker 11: deeply profound. That we are picking the man who is
Speaker 11: the successor of one of the apostles that walk the land,
Speaker 11: the Holy Land with Jesus Christ. And not only do
Speaker 11: they have to run the Institution of the Vatican and
Speaker 11: the Catholic Church behind me, with all of its strengths
Speaker 11: and all of its weaknesses and the challenges and the
Speaker 11: finances and the sexual abuse crisis that has gripped the world,
Speaker 11: but they have to be the spiritual and moral guider
Speaker 11: for over one point four billion people around the world.
Speaker 11: And you know, Catholics believe what we're dealing with here
Speaker 11: is eternal life in heaven or the complete opposite.
Speaker 7: So they're so much on this decision.
Speaker 11: And I think people who are even not Catholic, Paul,
Speaker 11: who come here, they get a sense of that. They
Speaker 11: can sense soaking in the prayerful atmosphere around the Vatican,
Speaker 11: seeing the clerics, the nuns and the priests from around
Speaker 11: the world, they get it. They know that there's something
Speaker 11: deeper happening here, which makes it all the more exciting
Speaker 11: as well.
Speaker 2: So in terms of the vote, it's not fifty plus one,
Speaker 2: it's three quarters, isn't it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they need a two thirds majority.
Speaker 11: So in the past, as we've talked about before, when
Speaker 11: you know, mainly it's been an Italian boys club, and
Speaker 11: they've all had.
Speaker 7: In a sense of each other prior to.
Speaker 11: The conclict because they would meet more regularly here in Rome,
Speaker 11: and they were from France and all around Europe, and
Speaker 11: they also have the same life kind of vision. You
Speaker 11: could say they come from the same experience, same culture.
Speaker 11: Whereas now, because these cardinals are so geographically spread, they
Speaker 11: could be finding it harder to come to that consensus saying, look,
Speaker 11: I mean, we know that this cardinal is great and
Speaker 11: he's an intellectual, but the kind of progressive agenda he
Speaker 11: is pushing is not what goes down well in our country,
Speaker 11: in Africa or in Asia, for example, So that could
Speaker 11: be you know why we've seen two plumes of black
Speaker 11: smoke coming out. How many more we'll see, you know,
Speaker 11: It's just it's hard to know, but it's fascinating and
Speaker 11: everyone here is invested. Everyone has their favorites and what
Speaker 11: you can see now, Paul, as I talked to you
Speaker 11: in sky, we have NPR from the US. Beside US,
Speaker 11: we have the Associated Press. We've ard from Germany, We've
Speaker 11: got your colleagues from Australia. The world's media is here
Speaker 11: and people are watching this right across the planet.
Speaker 2: I also can't help but think that very similar to
Speaker 2: and obviously I understand that, as you say, the stakes
Speaker 2: are a lot high when we're talking about eternal life
Speaker 2: or eternal damnation. Is that to see these things happen
Speaker 2: in the buildings where it has happened for hundreds of years.
Speaker 2: There are so many things that are new. There are
Speaker 2: so many things that are not a continuum to societies
Speaker 2: and generations past.
Speaker 1: I think that, in part is part of the attraction too,
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's not just.
Speaker 2: About the office about what it leads, but this idea
Speaker 2: that this institution is maintaining the way that it has
Speaker 2: always done it in the same way.
Speaker 1: Dare I say, as say the.
Speaker 2: Monarch in England, we go through that whole process of
Speaker 2: watching a coronation and hearing some of the language or
Speaker 2: some of the things which normally you know in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, and not.
Speaker 1: Sort of rituals that we're used to.
Speaker 2: The rituals are deeply important to people of faith and
Speaker 2: obviously to Catholics. This is a key part of what
Speaker 2: you're watching as well, is that while the method of
Speaker 2: communication has changed over so many years, you standing where
Speaker 2: you are standing is where men and women have stood before,
Speaker 2: looking at the very same building, making the very same decisions.
Speaker 2: That's incredibly humbling, isn't it.
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Yeah, And Paul, I think you hit the nail on
Speaker 11: the head because when you see such rich tradition and
Speaker 11: ritual things that haven't changed for centuries, there is something
Speaker 11: comforting and reassuring about that. And I was talking to
Speaker 11: a bishop the other day who was actually up on
Speaker 11: the balcony when Pope Francis was elected in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 11: and he made the exact point that you did. He said,
Speaker 11: what was incredible is that on one hand, on this
Speaker 11: side of the balcony inside the Vatican, you have the
Speaker 11: rituals and the traditions that haven't changed for centuries, and
Speaker 11: looking out at all the people in Saint Peter Square,
Speaker 11: he said it looked like stars.
Speaker 7: In the night because it was all the iPhones were coordinated.
Speaker 11: So you had this huge juxtaposition of the modern world
Speaker 11: capturing this richly tradition and spiritual event that is taking place,
Speaker 11: the election of a pope. And you know, if I
Speaker 11: can bring it even further and you know, go a
Speaker 11: little bit deeper theologically, this is the argument that is
Speaker 11: in the split ideological split in the Catholic Church at
Speaker 11: the moment when you see some people saying we need
Speaker 11: to be more progressive, some people.
Speaker 7: Saying we need to return to tradition.
Speaker 11: It's the debate should the Gospel change for the world
Speaker 11: or should we expect the world.
Speaker 7: To change for the Gospel.
Speaker 11: And that is what we have seen that really came
Speaker 11: to the fore during Pope Francis as pontificate. And that's
Speaker 11: what we're going to have to see with the new pope.
Speaker 11: Will it be a more return to tradition or will
Speaker 11: it be someone who says, no, we need to change
Speaker 11: the church more to suit the times.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to take a guess, and I don't
Speaker 2: want you to winswer, but I think you've got the
Speaker 2: ability to do a mess in both English and Latin.
Speaker 2: I've got a feeling you might be sort of ampidextrous
Speaker 2: when it comes to your ability to see these traditions. Now,
Speaker 2: take us through, Take us through the process that the
Speaker 2: middle of the night, our time, daytime, your time. If
Speaker 2: there is the successful vote, what happens, Literally, talk us
Speaker 2: through the process of leaving from the conclave all the
Speaker 2: way through to the balcony. What happens when does a
Speaker 2: cardinal choose their name to become pope.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's so exciting and it's so beautiful as well, really,
Speaker 11: because there are a few different stages. But behind me
Speaker 11: in the sisting chapel, if they do have a successful ballot,
Speaker 11: and someone does get that two thirds majority, they will
Speaker 11: then be brought into a side room beside the cisting chapel.
Speaker 11: It's a tiny little room and it's called the Room
Speaker 11: of Tears because it's where the popes are meant to
Speaker 11: shed a tear, knowing that their life has changed now
Speaker 11: forever and realizing the responsibility that is now on their shoulders.
Speaker 11: And they have three classics in there. One is a small,
Speaker 11: one is a medium, and one large, and they hope
Speaker 11: that this pope, whoever it will be, will fit into
Speaker 11: one of them. So they're robes, they're dressed they will
Speaker 11: have a moment of quiet, reflection and prayer. But then
Speaker 11: it all starts to happen pretty quickly. Within forty minutes
Speaker 11: to an hour, we expect that pope to have made
Speaker 11: the journey from the Sistine Chapel, through the Room of
Speaker 11: Tears to the balcony of Saint Peter's Basilica behind me,
Speaker 11: and that will give people a chance to gather in
Speaker 11: the square, because after they have the white smoke, the
Speaker 11: enormous bells of Saint Peter's Basilica will continuously ring across
Speaker 11: the city of Rome, and you will have people running
Speaker 11: down every single street. There will be a stampede of
Speaker 11: people squeezing into this square, iPhones in the air. All
Speaker 11: of the lights will come on behind me and they
Speaker 11: will all be laser focused on that balcony. Vatican TV,
Speaker 11: who are the state broadcaster, will start to relay the
Speaker 11: pictures across the globe. National broadcasters of every country will
Speaker 11: be taking that feed, and all the cameras will now
Speaker 11: switch from that chimney and they will turn and focus
Speaker 11: on the balcony. Then they will come out and they
Speaker 11: will say we have a new pope. That person will
Speaker 11: move to the side and out will come whoever that
Speaker 11: person will be. If it's one of the front runners,
Speaker 11: everyone will say, oh, it's Cardinal Pietro Paroline, is Taglay
Speaker 11: from the Philippines, it is Turksten from Africa.
Speaker 7: But if not, you're going to have a lot of reporters.
Speaker 11: Quickly saying, as they did the last time, let's give
Speaker 11: you a minute to just take in this incredible scene
Speaker 11: here in the basilica while they quickly look through the
Speaker 11: sheets and saying, who is this cardinal, where are they from?
Speaker 7: And what kind of papacy are we in for?
Speaker 1: Next? Colin Flint, we could talk or not. I can
Speaker 1: listen to your voice all day, but more importantly, the.
Speaker 2: Passionate excitement that you have for the moment, it is
Speaker 2: absolutely infixtious. Of course his home base, he's a awt
Speaker 2: in and we're very placed that he gives us a
Speaker 2: bit of his time here and we've cleaned up as
Speaker 2: for the area around you mate, all the best, Thank you, Paul.
Speaker 11: We could talk for all night, and of course all
Speaker 11: of eternity as well.
Speaker 7: Very good.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope that I get to sit next to you,
Speaker 2: but I might have to clean up my act all right,
Speaker 2: Thank you vide appreciate it all right, We're going to
Speaker 2: quick break back with more plenty to talk about Linda
Speaker 2: Scott and James Ashby about everything to do with politics,
Speaker 2: what's happening when it comes to liberal leadership, and also
Speaker 2: about whether James is still confident that there is about
Speaker 2: to be a change in the Senate in Tasmania.
Speaker 1: But a big week, tough week.
Speaker 2: I know that there's been a lot of conversation about
Speaker 2: the election. Well how could there not be. It was
Speaker 2: a seismic moment in Australian politics and we have to
Speaker 2: deal with it as it is, not as we wish
Speaker 2: it to be or an.
Speaker 11: Es sec.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to this conversation.
Speaker 2: Linda Scott, who is rather happy the Labor Party won
Speaker 2: pretty much everything on Saturday, indeed, congratulations and none of them.
Speaker 1: James Ashby.
Speaker 2: Of course, one nation's vote up across the country and
Speaker 2: we'll see what's going to happen in Tazzy. So I'll
Speaker 2: start with you first, James. I know the official answer
Speaker 2: is who knows? And I explained before the quotas and
Speaker 2: all the rest of it, Right, how do you feel
Speaker 2: tonight about what's going to happen in Tazzy in the Senate.
Speaker 10: Well, that is exactly it, Paul. No one knows. It
Speaker 10: could be two weeks. But what I am.
Speaker 9: Pleased to say is, regardless of whatever the outcome may be,
Speaker 9: Lee Hanson, I don't want to put words into her mouth,
Speaker 9: has not said she won't run again, So that gives
Speaker 9: me hope that.
Speaker 10: You know, if she's not successful this time, she will
Speaker 10: run again.
Speaker 9: I had the wa Senate candidate over there say to
Speaker 9: be waiting for this announcement is worse than waiting for
Speaker 9: a baby, because you know, the due date's gone and.
Speaker 10: Passed, and now it's just.
Speaker 9: Day after day after day, just holding out waiting for
Speaker 9: the arrival of that announcement.
Speaker 10: So it's tedious. It's not just for us either.
Speaker 9: There's plenty of people in other parties across the country
Speaker 9: still waiting for their answer as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, in terms of the going past the due date,
Speaker 2: we're familiar with that in our family, and at some
Speaker 2: point the word induction.
Speaker 1: Will be used and we'll all see what happens.
Speaker 2: Linda, again, let's go back to last Friday, Confident, looking
Speaker 2: at the polls, what part of the result surprised you
Speaker 2: the most? Just to say, wow, okay, I didn't even
Speaker 2: see that one.
Speaker 8: Look.
Speaker 12: I spent Saturday night in my local area with tenubly protect,
Speaker 12: my local MP, and I don't think there was a
Speaker 12: person in that room who was not really surprised by
Speaker 12: the magnitude of Labour's victory. And each and every day,
Speaker 12: as those seats for Labor keep tailing up, I think
Speaker 12: there continues to be you know, a real humility but
Speaker 12: also an amazement about the scale of the victory. This is,
Speaker 12: of course, the worst Liberal loss since the nineteen forties,
Speaker 12: and I think, you know, they'll do their analysis, but
Speaker 12: it does send a couple of messages. The first is
Speaker 12: that I think Australians have just categorically rejected a kind
Speaker 12: of lack of you know, positive vision for the future,
Speaker 12: and the Liberals just did not put forward a positive
Speaker 12: vision for what they wanted to see for Australia's future.
Speaker 12: And I think Australians have been really clear about that,
Speaker 12: both about the Greens, to be honest, and also the
Speaker 12: Liberal Party. And I think that's a really significant lesson
Speaker 12: that I think those groups need to think about.
Speaker 2: And I'm not sitting here pretending the sea candies and
Speaker 2: what the sea Candy is right, but it still is
Speaker 2: a third, a third, a third, And yes, you know
Speaker 2: you can, you can put a certain amount of expectation
Speaker 2: on Greens preferences, Teels preferences. But if not for those preferences,
Speaker 2: aren't isn't the Labor Party in a potent, well obviously
Speaker 2: massive success.
Speaker 12: Now the primary vote went up, It went up pretty
Speaker 12: significantly this election. And you know, preferences are real vote
Speaker 12: a right, so people are choosing Labor above the coalition.
Speaker 12: I also think that Labor pre selected some fantastic candidates
Speaker 12: right across the country and even in places where we thought.
Speaker 8: We wouldn't win.
Speaker 12: So I'll give you two examples. My great friend Sarah
Speaker 12: Race in Flinders, a Victorian seat, was always an incredible candidate.
Speaker 12: The local councilor down there has worked so hard, made
Speaker 12: a commitment from an urgent care clinic in medicare, range
Speaker 12: of other commitments, daw knocked her heart out and that
Speaker 12: seat completely unexpectedly is on an absolute knife edge. Similarly,
Speaker 12: Trish Cook, another counselor in Western Australia in Bullwink Will
Speaker 12: always was going to be a very tough seat for
Speaker 12: Labor to win again on an absolute knife edge. So
Speaker 12: we've pre selected really great candidates in winnable seats, in
Speaker 12: difficult seats, and in totally unwinnable seats, and they have
Speaker 12: absolutely outperformed.
Speaker 8: The modern Liberal Party.
Speaker 12: Has failed to reform the selection of their candidates to
Speaker 12: have their candidates look like modern Australia and at some point,
Speaker 12: you know, they have to recognize that that is holding
Speaker 12: them back with voters.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get to the future of that party in
Speaker 2: a moment or two's time. James, you obviously don't have
Speaker 2: the same machine as the major parties, but you had
Speaker 2: so many candidates. You have this national breed. You've got
Speaker 2: this incredible once in a generation leader who can draw
Speaker 2: a crowd wherever she goes, literally from the suburbs to
Speaker 2: the Nullabor muster. Jesus, it was a shame we miss
Speaker 2: you by a day or so in Calgooli. But what
Speaker 2: did one nation learn out of this one.
Speaker 9: As a number of things, really, Paul, I think preparation
Speaker 9: is the biggest key here, As Linda said, when you've
Speaker 9: got candidates in the field for twelve months or more,
Speaker 9: being able to press the flesh with locals, talk about
Speaker 9: those real issues, and it's not just a one off conversation,
Speaker 9: it's that repetitive conversation. Utilizing the media better. That's a
Speaker 9: key important element. So I think for us, we're probably
Speaker 9: going to use the next twelve months to really start
Speaker 9: to put things into place that enables candidates to get
Speaker 9: pre selected earlier so that they're not just in there
Speaker 9: for the six ten twelve week campaign. I'd love to
Speaker 9: see every one of the one hundred and fifty candidates
Speaker 9: that are to run at the next federal election at
Speaker 9: least we're twelve months up their sleeve to really get
Speaker 9: embedded into the community. They live there already, they know
Speaker 9: what the problems are. It's just about getting the community
Speaker 9: to know that there is an alternative out there, and
Speaker 9: people are looking for an alternative. As he rightfully pointed out,
Speaker 9: there's at least thirty percent of people out there that
Speaker 9: are not prepared to vote for the major parties. And
Speaker 9: when you've got candidates winning the winning government or should
Speaker 9: I say, you know, a party winning government of thirty
Speaker 9: five percent, it really does leave it up in the
Speaker 9: air as to where the future of politics goes in
Speaker 9: the country.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, I mean, you know, if he's true to his word,
Speaker 2: and who knows, but CLIVEE. Palmer says that he's off
Speaker 2: the table now, and we know that there's about one
Speaker 2: and a half two percent or a little higher in
Speaker 2: some of the places. Whether they moved towards one nation
Speaker 2: because of its strength over the years, whether it goes
Speaker 2: to the freedom fact, we will be fascinating to watch
Speaker 2: again in and around all of that. But congratulations on
Speaker 2: a much better performance, well growing performance, but certainly in
Speaker 2: what you had this election compared to last.
Speaker 1: All right, So, Linda, as.
Speaker 2: A roll gold progressive, As a person, I'd love to
Speaker 2: see the world change, but you know you are aware
Speaker 2: of how personal hygiene works, which means you're not agreed.
Speaker 8: So I'm definitely meant to joke. I think we can
Speaker 8: all be clear.
Speaker 1: No, no, I know, I know I'm joking. Just Europe.
Speaker 1: But you're high core progressive, right.
Speaker 2: The progressive wing now is quite large, and it's having
Speaker 2: its effect on whose ministers and all the rest of it.
Speaker 2: But more importantly, this group of labor MPs and activists
Speaker 2: who want major changes when it comes to climate change policy.
Speaker 2: They're saying that the emission standard should go from forty
Speaker 2: three percent by twenty thirty to seventy five percent by
Speaker 2: twenty thirty five. Now, both parties didn't want to put
Speaker 2: a number on any of this stuff before the election,
Speaker 2: which means conversation happens. Now means legislations gets passed, and
Speaker 2: obviously with the help of the Great means the conversation
Speaker 2: is being driven.
Speaker 1: By the progressives of the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: Seventy five percent is very high and has a lot
Speaker 2: more political consequences and economic consequences than forty three, doesn't it.
Speaker 12: Look The government has I think publicly said and Murray
Speaker 12: what I think said again today that the government needs
Speaker 12: to wait for the advice before they make your decision
Speaker 12: about interim targets. And I think that's a very reasonable step.
Speaker 12: There are economic consequences if we don't set targets, because
Speaker 12: that potentially means a loss of investment and capital in
Speaker 12: Australia that is very significant. We want to be a leader,
Speaker 12: We want to be a superpower in the energy revolution
Speaker 12: that is producing cheaper, more renewable energy.
Speaker 8: That is very reliable.
Speaker 12: So I think it is important that we make decisions
Speaker 12: as a government. I think it is important that we
Speaker 12: seek to attract investment to Australia especially at a time
Speaker 12: when some of that investment might be pulling out of
Speaker 12: the US. We want that money to come to Australia.
Speaker 12: We want to be able to attract that energy and
Speaker 12: those jobs here and to help Australians have, you know,
Speaker 12: the cheapest possible power prices. I think Australians have firmly
Speaker 12: rejected nuclear power. It's astonishing to me that we continue
Speaker 12: to see liberals like Tim Wilson still putting this forward
Speaker 12: as a proposition. I think Australians have categorically rejected nuclear power.
Speaker 12: So I think it is important for the government to
Speaker 12: set targets, but it's prudent and right for them to
Speaker 12: take advice about that. And you know, look, the Labor
Speaker 12: Party is the oldest political party in Australia. Of course
Speaker 12: we will have robust policy debates, but we have democratic
Speaker 12: structures within.
Speaker 8: The Labor Party to do that.
Speaker 12: Like a long time ago, when I was first pre
Speaker 12: selected for local government.
Speaker 1: What color was your heavn No? Pinkes? Definitely was Did
Speaker 1: you ever have pink kere?
Speaker 8: Definitely less gray than it is now.
Speaker 1: Come come on, man, right buddy, let's fight the power.
Speaker 8: Listen.
Speaker 12: Four thousand people voted in my pre selection as a
Speaker 12: Labor candidate in the City of Sydney to be Labour's
Speaker 12: candidate for that council.
Speaker 1: Right, we have.
Speaker 12: Robust debates, we have democracy. There was a huge number
Speaker 12: of candidates that ran against me, so you rubbing it
Speaker 12: in more. We're an old established party that has democratic
Speaker 12: rules where we seek to reflect the Australian contemporary.
Speaker 2: Modern correct But the nature of National Executive and the
Speaker 2: caucus is now much more left wings. So it's good
Speaker 2: to hear what progressives want because they have a better
Speaker 2: and cleaner path to it, as opposed to maybe those
Speaker 2: early days when the new souplause right was in the
Speaker 2: one sort of going yeah, yeah, yeah, let's move on, right, James,
Speaker 2: seventy five percent renewables, Let's imagine it's sixty five percent.
Speaker 2: Let's imagine it's fifty five not renewables in terms of
Speaker 2: the emissions cut right now, I think this was one
Speaker 2: of the areas where because the Coalition couldn't come up
Speaker 2: with a Goalilock's number, they wanted to avoid it for
Speaker 2: the teals and all the rest of it. Right, But
Speaker 2: if there's this scenario where forty three becomes fifty three,
Speaker 2: sixty three seventy three. That is massive changes that are
Speaker 2: going to have some serious consequences. Would you think or
Speaker 2: is there expectation? I was just bashing up the bush.
Speaker 2: They vote national, they vote one nation.
Speaker 9: Who cares, Paul, lock it in, Go for it if
Speaker 9: that's what Labour want to do. Lock it in the
Speaker 9: sooner this country hurts the better when it comes to
Speaker 9: crippling our energy network by going with these unrealistic figures.
Speaker 9: That's exactly what you got. A wake up set the
Speaker 9: Australian people up. No, no, no, you've set the target. You
Speaker 9: say you've got a mandate, go for it. But I'll
Speaker 9: tell you what, you won't be there in three years time.
Speaker 9: People will see the writing on the wall when you
Speaker 9: know we're powershdding and we're turning people's smart meters off
Speaker 9: because there's a massive roll out at the moment, Paul,
Speaker 9: have you noticed how quickly the government of on a
Speaker 9: fast track to run these smart meters out.
Speaker 10: They're supposed to be rolled out by twenty thirty.
Speaker 9: No, no, no, they're sending letters to every household right
Speaker 9: now to put smart meters in as quick as possible.
Speaker 9: Why is that Well they can then turn them off
Speaker 9: remotely so that you've got nowhere conditioning or if they
Speaker 9: choose to turn your dishwash off, they can.
Speaker 10: Do all that remotely.
Speaker 8: Goodness, and this is.
Speaker 9: The result of looking a seventy It happens in Queensland target.
Speaker 9: So you know, you say you want to lock it,
Speaker 9: and why are you afraid to power back to the
Speaker 9: glow further than that? You know as well as I do.
Speaker 9: All right, stand by now, back into the grid right now.
Speaker 9: And I don't have a smart meter, stand by, grubbish.
Speaker 9: We know what they we know it. Yet we know
Speaker 9: what they're capable of doing. And this is what the
Speaker 9: government will do. So if you want to ruin the economy,
Speaker 9: you set your hard targets of seventy five percent, lock
Speaker 9: them in.
Speaker 10: Go for it, eddie, but you won't be there in
Speaker 10: three years.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's talk about your center price, where the
Speaker 2: labor would feed her, and whether there's going to be
Speaker 2: a fair amount of fighting inside the coalition in the
Speaker 2: next of the while we break back with more here
Speaker 2: on Paul Murray Live. Thanks for watching this Thursday night.
Speaker 2: There they are, all right, let's get into the conversation
Speaker 2: again with James Ashby. Of course, all things one nation
Speaker 2: and happy to spend a couple of nights at home
Speaker 2: after a long campaign, and the wonderful Linda Scott in
Speaker 2: the man.
Speaker 1: Cave as well.
Speaker 2: All Right, So the news tonight is that just into
Speaker 2: Napajmer Price, she leaves the National Party Room.
Speaker 1: She'll go to the Liberal Party room.
Speaker 2: The speculation is that she may well be part of
Speaker 2: the leadership ticket, and I think all of us know
Speaker 2: that she's one of, if not the best performer on
Speaker 2: the right side of Australian politics at the moment. This
Speaker 2: is what she said to Peter Kredlin a bit earlier tonight.
Speaker 4: I've always felt like the Liberal Party room is my
Speaker 4: natural home, given you know, the Liberal Party is the
Speaker 4: freedom Party, the party of responsibility. Given the current circumstances,
Speaker 4: I think now more than ever, when it's strong people
Speaker 4: within the Liberal Party, we need to be able to rebuild.
Speaker 4: We need to ensure that we don't don't lose support.
Speaker 2: Now, part of this has created a direction inside the
Speaker 2: National Party because by her leaving the National Party it
Speaker 2: no longer has party status in the Upper House. Now,
Speaker 2: whether this all works out and somebody moves back, we'll
Speaker 2: all find out together. But Matt Canavan. He didn't hold back.
Speaker 3: Just sent has done enormous damage to her reputation. I've
Speaker 3: had enormous being inundated with feedback from people from the
Speaker 3: Northern Territory, very upset. She hasn't spoken to members up
Speaker 3: there who elected her, hasn't spoken to the party, hasn't
Speaker 3: spoken to her colleagues and camera about this. It's not
Speaker 3: the sort of behavior I think Austrains appreciate, and it's
Speaker 3: the sort of kind of thing that Lydia Thorpe did.
Speaker 3: How is what your center's doing any different from what
Speaker 3: Lydia did?
Speaker 1: Worse than Lydia.
Speaker 3: Lydia at least had a policy disagreement with the Greens
Speaker 3: that just center's left. In this case, she's left our party,
Speaker 3: left her colleagues, left the people that supported her. Not
Speaker 3: not sort of behavior you should be proud of.
Speaker 2: Now, let's imagine all of the party status stuff somehows
Speaker 2: worked out next week, next month, whatever. Let's get to
Speaker 2: the fundamental here about you, Senter Price being even further
Speaker 2: on the front line of Australian politics. I don't know
Speaker 2: about you, James, watching her versus Penny Wong in Senate
Speaker 2: question time they'll have to sell tickets because she can
Speaker 2: kick ass.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but she's been given that opportunity to ask questions
Speaker 9: of Penny Wong during question time. Anyway, mcaalia Cash leads
Speaker 9: the Senate and that will be what happens in the
Speaker 9: future as well. There's no one better to run the
Speaker 9: Parliament or to run the Senate than Mecaalia Cash, so
Speaker 9: there won't be any changes there, Paul. I can understand
Speaker 9: Matt Canavan's frustration here. Matt Canavan is doing the job
Speaker 9: that David Little Proud should be running as Leader of
Speaker 9: the Nationals. But you know, I've seen over the last
Speaker 9: couple of weeks of this campaign. I've said to you
Speaker 9: six months ago that there was some disarray in both
Speaker 9: the Liberal camp and the National camp. And you know,
Speaker 9: I know Michael Kraeger said that, oh, I know, everything's fine.
Speaker 9: Well it hasn't been. This has been bubbling away under
Speaker 9: the surface for a while. But I can understand the
Speaker 9: frustration when you've gone into bat you put so much
Speaker 9: money behind candidate and then they drop you as a
Speaker 9: party and go to somebody else, quite literally within a
Speaker 9: week of those polling results being revealed. It must be disappointing.
Speaker 9: But with that said, just Centerprise has enormous talent, we
Speaker 9: know that, but this is not what the Australian public
Speaker 9: want to see politicians doing, is squabbling over positions within
Speaker 9: the party ranks. You know, I don't think at the
Speaker 9: very moment there's some awful talent to choose from to
Speaker 9: take on that leadership of the Liberal Party. You know,
Speaker 9: I don't have faith in any of the leadership options
Speaker 9: that they've got on the table here. And this is
Speaker 9: why one Nation continues to do better and better every
Speaker 9: federal election cycle and every state cycle because the Liberal
Speaker 9: Party don't have strength anymore.
Speaker 10: And it's really disappointing to see that.
Speaker 9: You know, I see them in the opposition, not just
Speaker 9: this term, but possibly the next one if they can't
Speaker 9: get their act together now.
Speaker 2: Linda obviously wish nothing but the best for the coalition
Speaker 2: over the next three years, but your thoughts on this move.
Speaker 12: Look at the last federal election, there were some pretty
Speaker 12: clear indicators of a splinter between the National Party and
Speaker 12: the Liberal Party, and I think it's fair to say
Speaker 12: that privately many in the National Party in particular were
Speaker 12: questioning whether the coalition was going to have a future
Speaker 12: and I think, as Senator nampajimp prices defection today shows
Speaker 12: that there is a really clear and ongoing ideological divide
Speaker 12: between those two groups, and not just her behavior. You know,
Speaker 12: you've seen Senator Bridget Mackenzie today say, you know, will
Speaker 12: the parties merged? She over my dead body, she said,
Speaker 12: you know. So there are clear differences between these.
Speaker 1: Two and then that's when they are on their own race.
Speaker 2: You know, they hold the line, they hold the line.
Speaker 8: Let's be clear.
Speaker 12: You know, there are now members of the Federal Parliament
Speaker 12: in the National Party who've on their ballot papers in
Speaker 12: the past voted Labor before Liberal in their preferences. And
Speaker 12: this is why I say preferences are real votes.
Speaker 8: And they matter.
Speaker 12: You know, there are people in that Federal Parliament now,
Speaker 12: in the National Party that I think are really actively
Speaker 12: questioning whether the coalition has a future as a group
Speaker 12: of two parties that continue to collaborate because their policies
Speaker 12: are different in the regions. You know, Australians know they
Speaker 12: need government, they need good government services. And when you
Speaker 12: continue to have culture wars in the cities in the
Speaker 12: middle of the Liberal parties that are not relevant.
Speaker 2: Defending principle isn't necessarily cultural. It's another debate for another time.
Speaker 8: It's going to be a really rocky past.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys, do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I've got a little bit of news before we are done,
Speaker 2: and it is for the Captain of the Matildas. Sam
Speaker 2: Kerr has announced that her and her partner have had
Speaker 2: their baby and the little boy's name is Jagger. That's
Speaker 2: our show for the night and for the week. We'll
Speaker 2: see you again Sunday night.
Speaker 1: Go Yankee. Stutter didn't