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Speaker 1: The big footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever

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Speaker 1: you are around the planet. This is your ultimate guide

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: And then there were six and perhaps the six week

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Speaker 2: didn't expect prior to the first week of finals. In fact,

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Speaker 2: if you tipped zero out of four on the weekend,

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Speaker 2: you might be in the majority. For three teams thrived

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Speaker 2: on the road and the raining premiers were humbled by

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Speaker 2: a team not technically playing on their home home ground.

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Speaker 2: We'll hone in on the now sixteen race for the Cup,

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Speaker 2: plus dissect all the lad Us trade whispers and footy

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Speaker 2: issues in Fair or Fast and the mail Bag, as

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Speaker 2: well as here retrospectively from Kevin Sheedy, whose wisdom continues

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Speaker 2: to amaze us. Hello and welcome to the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Ben Waterworth with you, as is the man on World

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Speaker 2: Record Pace on Saturday night to tweet about giants expected

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Speaker 2: score posters.

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Speaker 3: Max Lord, Hello, mate, what do you suggest.

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Speaker 2: To thank you that I'm very ready to put that out.

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Speaker 3: That I was very conscious of the fact that they've

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Speaker 3: made a habit of out kicking expected score and then

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Speaker 3: they get to the finals and the opposite happens. It's

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Speaker 3: a trend I find that teams have a you have

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Speaker 3: a weakness, so you have a certain trait and then

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Speaker 3: it gets reversed in the finals. And for kick very

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Speaker 3: well didn't they Yes, so that's not the Giant's fault.

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Speaker 3: The Hawks just kicked out of their skins and then

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Speaker 3: Freo lost a close one. So these things happen.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And also joining us is the man with his

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Speaker 2: trade eat of the ground and very relieved objective pies

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Speaker 2: leaning supporter in Cotton. Hello BC.

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Speaker 4: Yes, thank you very much gents for having me on,

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Speaker 4: and yes, very relieved. Last this time last week I

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Speaker 4: would have said that the Crows and the Lines would

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Speaker 4: be playing, would be hosting qualifying finals, prelim finals. Sorry,

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Speaker 4: but here we are with the reverse results, so very exciting.

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Speaker 3: Weagon good to know we've got someone very knowledgeable a

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Speaker 2: Just so that leads us into our first burning question

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Speaker 2: out of the weekend, who are you most worried about

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Speaker 2: this weekend? Max? Out of Adelaide and Brisbane.

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Speaker 3: I think it's Brisbane. I think because we did say

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Speaker 3: an upset would be a pineapple grapple. Yes, with the

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Speaker 3: Suns getting to play the lines again.

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Speaker 4: Can I make a weird comment? I don't know if

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Speaker 5: Please do.

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Speaker 4: I'm more worried about Brisbane, but I think Hawthorne is

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Speaker 4: a better chance to cause an upset.

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Speaker 5: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm more worried about Brisbane. I'm not worried about Adelaide.

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Speaker 3: Adelaide will be Adelaide. Yes, they're fine, like they are

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Speaker 3: definitely worse without Isaac Rankin and hopefully Josh Selly comes

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Speaker 3: more worried about Brisbane in the sense that locking Hil

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Speaker 3: And we know they can play very good footy because

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Speaker 3: the Sons have got the better of them. Usually they're

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Speaker 3: pretty good in that the pineapple grapple of the line.

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Speaker 2: Yes, traditionally they the Sons thumped them a few weeks

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, as I said before, I think Max

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Speaker 4: I just think you expect some sort of big response,

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Speaker 2: Happens every year, MAXI the qualifying final losers go down

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Speaker 3: Well you would have thought so, But this is the

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Speaker 3: that's the magic of this final series is that we

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Speaker 4: It's also a byproduct of the fact that Hawthorne and

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Speaker 3: Hawthorne would have been third last year with the exact

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Speaker 3: That exactly and instead they finish eighth, and now we

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Speaker 4: Geelong, I don't know if we'll get into this year

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Speaker 3: You're going to try and convince Geelong fans that they're

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Speaker 4: And I think, like my biggest thing with Geelong right

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Speaker 4: I think Chris Scott's probably the best coach I've ever seen,

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Speaker 4: and I hold him in the highest esteem, above Alista

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Speaker 4: just think he's an absolute master. They've had eight of

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Speaker 4: to get another one. I think that's just what makes

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Speaker 4: the most sense in totality looking at the season, Max,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what your thoughts are the specifics about

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Speaker 4: the way that they are actually playing, but they just

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Speaker 2: They're different from twenty twenty two because the reason, the

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Speaker 2: big reason behind they beat the lines on Friday night

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Speaker 2: And now you've got Max Holmes is fully fitting on

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Speaker 2: the outside and was arguably best on ground on Friday night.

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Speaker 2: Bailey Smith of course, and only Dempsey played the game

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Speaker 2: That's why the Cats are different this time around.

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Speaker 3: He's the best wigman in the camp. If they actually

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Speaker 3: been Dempsey, Yes, particularly the way he gets forward. It's

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Speaker 3: it's such a key factor that Geelong has just done

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Speaker 3: and had like ten or twelve touches. Didn't seem like

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Speaker 4: And I was talking to Max about this yesterday. How

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Speaker 4: good that you can have Mullen and kind of the

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Speaker 4: two Irish lads where this to me is like master coaching,

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Speaker 4: like this is how you build a team. Like all

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Speaker 4: their jobs were on the weekends to shut down McCluggage

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Speaker 4: and mullen's case and no kind of Rayner and not

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Speaker 4: for those two goals, which we might discuss at some

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Speaker 4: point that Rayner was gifted by the umpires, he would

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Speaker 4: the fact that you've got all these different role players

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Speaker 4: that know exactly what they have to do. Mullen just

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Speaker 4: go stop mcluggage, do your job. Everyone still buys into

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Speaker 4: the structures and all that, like it's just such a

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Speaker 3: And you know the best thing for the Cats all

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Speaker 3: weekend might have been Hawthorne beating GWS. Why is that

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Speaker 3: because that's their bogie team, right the Giants. I mean

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Speaker 3: they did beat brisbaneho with their other bogie team this year,

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Speaker 3: but certainly, as a Cats fan, I go into games

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Speaker 2: So Max, maybe let's go to you first before we

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Speaker 2: ask beIN about Collingwood. Did the Magpies in any way

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Speaker 2: silence their critics on Thursday Night?

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Speaker 3: Certainly a bit? And I think they, like a lot

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Speaker 3: of teams do nowadays, they take everyone saying this team

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Speaker 3: is the favorite to win and I will tip them

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Speaker 3: as the most damning sledge in history. And how dare

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Speaker 3: you criticize us like that? It's like, no, we tip

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Speaker 3: games and we think a team that's playing well is

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Speaker 3: But magicians and wizards a very different bend.

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Speaker 4: But he he just he's just such a he's such

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Speaker 3: Very fair, I think. Yeah, he is one of the

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Speaker 3: But he's damn good, Like he's Will Day is still

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Speaker 2: The resilience of Hawthorne was on full display because the

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Speaker 2: that probably showed despite being a young team in their

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Speaker 3: So finals are about moments, as we know, and the

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Speaker 3: Guys just kick goals out of nowhere and it got

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Speaker 3: simple as that. The Giants had their trademark inconsistency and

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Speaker 2: It's a setback.

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Speaker 3: But the Hawks got on top anyway. So that's just

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Speaker 3: If there's go I said pre finals that they're going

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's the reason why the AFO Tables administrator is

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Speaker 3: That's chasm, really disappointing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, just on the Giants. BC have the Giants, so

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Speaker 2: A heavy Hawthorne start there and did all they could

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Speaker 2: Can this group that they've got now go again? Because

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I am getting a bit worried to be honest, Like,

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Speaker 4: I don't know how much, like what else is going

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Speaker 2: Which is with Josh Kelly's ridiculous quarter that was unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: You would not think a back six which includes all

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Speaker 4: six Callahan, Tom Green, like mercurial, dangerous forward line, there's

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Speaker 4: still enough for there to make a case. But like

436
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Speaker 4: that they're going to be good next year.

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Speaker 3: They finished fifth, they had sixteen wins. They're a pretty

438
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Speaker 3: good team.

439
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Speaker 4: But like the margins can be so fine sometimes, like

440
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Speaker 4: if they drop off, let's say they lose you know,

441
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Speaker 4: two or three extra if they have two or three

442
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Speaker 4: extra losses, they might miss the eight next year. Like

443
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Speaker 4: it's just I can see them being in that similar

444
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Speaker 4: pack where they're sort of just maybe in the middle

445
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Speaker 4: of the ladder.

446
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Speaker 5: So I don't Yeah, it's hard to say where they're

447
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Speaker 5: at the moment, isn't it.

448
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Speaker 2: So they're about to lose Lecally yeah, yes, and Jacob

449
00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,840
Speaker 2: Ware and probably big Way Dirkson as well, who's been

450
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Speaker 2: in trade whispers I think for three years straight and

451
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Speaker 2: finally actually might go but again not necessarily plays right

452
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Speaker 2: in the best twenty two.

453
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I reckon this is like last year what they

454
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Speaker 4: lost Perryman and coming like probably slightly more important role

455
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Speaker 4: players the ones that are going to lose this off season.

456
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Speaker 4: So I would say Peeling as well. So I would

457
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Speaker 4: say this is probably the first year in a while

458
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Speaker 4: where it's not like, oh, we're going to lose a

459
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Speaker 4: really not key piece because last year weren't key pieces,

460
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Speaker 4: but like an actual guaranteed best twenty three player.

461
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Speaker 5: So that's kind of a tick in a sense.

462
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Speaker 4: And they'll obviously get some sort of decent pick for Letily,

463
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Speaker 4: maybe a second rounder. So I think that's a win

464
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Speaker 4: for them in a sense because there's been all these

465
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Speaker 4: other years where they lose players and it's the same

466
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Speaker 4: narrative every year, we say, oh they're losing players, they're

467
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Speaker 4: going to drop off, and they overcome the odds. So

468
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Speaker 4: that that is a win I suppose in a sense

469
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Speaker 4: that they're not losing massive names. But it's also win

470
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Speaker 4: for sin Kilda to bolster their defensive stocks. And it

471
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Speaker 4: looks like Port Adelaide's going to land Jacob Ware So yes,

472
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Speaker 4: Albays he's.

473
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Speaker 5: Run that one t lice.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, I didn't get a response the first.

475
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Speaker 5: Time he said that one in the office before.

476
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Speaker 3: It's a good gag, right, guys, his name sounds like

477
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Speaker 3: a different word.

478
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Speaker 4: So yeah, Like, I don't look at those outs and

479
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Speaker 4: say it's going to have a massive impact on them.

480
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Speaker 2: On the fellow expansion team, the Gold Coast Sons, who

481
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Speaker 2: it was quite unbelievable experience being in the office watching

482
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Speaker 2: the game Saturday night, the Gold Coast Suns in their

483
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Speaker 2: first final getting their first win. Were you surprised, MAXI

484
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Speaker 2: by how hardened and ready for finals they were? They

485
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Speaker 2: they just looked so solid throughout the game. The occasion

486
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Speaker 2: didn't seem to overaw them at all.

487
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Speaker 3: Yes, But I think thinking about it, it makes sense

488
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Speaker 3: that Freedmanner looked overawed because they're just as young, if

489
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Speaker 3: not younger. They're playing at home with the weight of expectations,

490
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Speaker 3: so if anything that made it them more nervous, they

491
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Speaker 3: played more nervous, and certainly the Sons had their times

492
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Speaker 3: in the third and fourth quarter where they were fumbling

493
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Speaker 3: and making mistakes. They look like in the inexperienced team

494
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Speaker 3: to finals that they are, but their best players play

495
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Speaker 3: in a way that is sustainable in finals. You know,

496
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Speaker 3: Rollyn is in a fantastic players and they just got

497
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Speaker 3: get the job done. Finals players and unsurprisingly Mini Dusty

498
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Speaker 3: over there. Yes, Humphrey was fantastic in a final. Who

499
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Speaker 3: would have thought he.

500
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Speaker 2: Was three goals and the second quarter to really break

501
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Speaker 2: the game open. So on that point then, is twenty

502
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Speaker 2: twenty five a fail for Freemantle.

503
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Speaker 3: No, okay, no, it's as close to being a fail

504
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 3: as a sixteen win season can be.

505
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Speaker 2: It's nuts.

506
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Speaker 3: So I gave them a bit. I did the brutal

507
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Speaker 3: review for them. Yes, season review gave them a B,

508
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 3: and I gave the Giants a B as well. I

509
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 3: think that's as high as I could give them for

510
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 3: the amount of wins, the amount of performances they had

511
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 3: in the season that were pretty damn good. But also

512
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 3: there were unsustainable elements of both of those teams seasons.

513
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 3: Freemantle became the Kings of the comeback and then came

514
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 3: back and very much like Collingwoods last couple of games

515
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 3: against Gold Coast, you make the comeback, but then you

516
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 3: still lose because they had a bit of time left

517
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 3: to win it themselves. So you can't trust the teams

518
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 3: that keep doing that. So look, they had the worst

519
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 3: percentage in the eight Freemantle. That says to me that

520
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 3: they're not as amazing as their win lost records suggested,

521
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Speaker 3: and then losing a finals to the Suns is certainly

522
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Speaker 3: disappointing and it puts more pressure on justin long you're

523
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Speaker 3: going in the next year, just.

524
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Speaker 5: On Gold Coast.

525
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Speaker 4: To me, the thing that impressed memos with them is

526
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Speaker 4: they almost played like a team that wasn't playing in

527
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Speaker 4: a final, Like they weren't overawed in any way, or

528
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 4: they won't even felt like they were just playing in

529
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Speaker 4: a normal game, Like they didn't change the way they

530
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 4: played it all. As you said, they were real hard

531
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 4: and they were just going for it. They were super

532
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 4: diligent defensively. They just didn't change anything or they didn't. Yes,

533
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 4: itccumb to the pressure of finals, which is half the battle.

534
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Speaker 3: Sometimes.

535
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Speaker 4: I think it was a ross line that one said

536
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Speaker 4: once upon a time, or maybe paulver is like, treat

537
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 4: it like it's another game. It's probably like you do

538
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 4: need to take it seriously, but at the same time,

539
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 4: you just got to play to your strengths, which they did.

540
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Speaker 2: Just overall, home ground advantage has always seen its massive

541
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Speaker 2: in finals. Is it less relevant this year? We just

542
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: saw three teams win interstate and really guts into state wins.

543
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Speaker 2: Is it less relevant just because the competition between the

544
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: top eight, the chasm between the top eight is so

545
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 2: much tighter than it ever has been.

546
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to be. I mean it's a little

547
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 3: bit of just randomness. Things happen sometimes, but I think

548
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 3: that's the main factor. Yeah, it's a very tight campaign.

549
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 3: Like you also look at the Giants and Fremantle and Brisbane.

550
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Speaker 3: Some of these teams that lost finals were the best

551
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 3: away teams, Like Brisbane was a really good away team, yes,

552
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 3: and then suddenly that disappeared against the Cats. So yeah,

553
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 3: sometimes things just flip on their heads a little bit.

554
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, you're going to get weird results when you

555
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: have a really good top eight. That makes sense, Well

556
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Speaker 3: I could.

557
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Speaker 2: I think you know some people listening obviously their teams

558
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: aren't in finals and they're just fast forwarding, you know,

559
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: fifteen seconds fifteen seconds because they want to get to

560
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 2: this segment The Trade Whispers.

561
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Speaker 1: And Now on the Fox Footy podcast, another strong edition

562
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Speaker 1: of Australia's favorite segment, Fair or Fast, just to.

563
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: Trade related Fear or Fast, but with some other issues

564
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Speaker 2: thrown in there. But you see, We're going to start

565
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Speaker 2: with you, Duge. The Saints' trade approach is fraught with

566
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Speaker 2: danger considering the personnel they're targeting.

567
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Speaker 3: Fair or fast.

568
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,239
Speaker 4: Fraught with danger? Fair it is, it has to be

569
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Speaker 4: fair like it has to be fraught with danger. Whether

570
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 4: or not it's successful or not is another question. But yes,

571
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm writing a piece on this at the

572
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Speaker 4: moment I spoke with Saints. Great le Montage just joined

573
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 4: the dots nicely. Yeah, I mean, so my biggest thing

574
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 4: with this whole Sint Kilda recruiting drive that they're going on,

575
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 4: and I think everyone applauds them for being aggressive and

576
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 4: going for it, like we want to see that, We

577
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 4: want to see teams having a crack good on them.

578
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 4: We spoke about Lecalleer before Jack Sulvanney. They've already got

579
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 4: Tom Dakoning as well, Flanders, potential Landers, leam Ryan like

580
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 4: they are absolutely going for it, so props to them.

581
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Speaker 4: The interesting thing that I've been thinking about the last

582
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Speaker 4: few days at which I'm going to write about, is

583
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Speaker 4: teams in the past that have sort of been in

584
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Speaker 4: the middle of the ladder and you don't quite know

585
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 4: are they contending, are they rebuilding. We don't really know

586
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 4: what they're doing that have then stocked up big time

587
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 4: on recruits all in one off season. So we're talking

588
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 4: about teams like sink Kilda a few years ago. They

589
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 4: did it twice in a row off seasons where they

590
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Speaker 4: got the likes of Damn Butler, Dougal Howard, Zack Jones,

591
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 4: Brad Krautz, that sort of era Essendon did in twenty

592
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Speaker 4: eighteen these names Essen and got Devin Smith, Jake Stringer.

593
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Speaker 3: Dylan Shieldfield, the three Esses.

594
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Speaker 4: Of the might have been the year before Adam sa

595
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Speaker 4: That's right, all these SS's. Yeah. And then another sort

596
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 4: of random one which I kind of forgot about, was

597
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: Freemantle in twenty eighteen added Travis Collier, Jesse Hogan, Rory

598
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Speaker 4: Lobb and Rece Conker. Yes, that was ross Lyon's eventual

599
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 4: last season when those guys came on. So I guess

600
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Speaker 4: the point of my story is, like, I'm not saying

601
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Speaker 4: it's going to fail, but there is evidence that if

602
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Speaker 4: you are not ready to make the leap, if the

603
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 4: rest of your list isn't ready, if the young youth

604
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 4: that you've been nurturing isn't ready, it can go backwards,

605
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 4: and it can set you, it can put you in

606
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 4: AFL purgatory. The sort of interesting one which I've actually

607
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 4: given them a tick. He was originally going to be

608
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 4: a cross, but I did a little bit more research

609
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 4: into it and I'm giving them a tick.

610
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Speaker 5: We're going very deep into this now.

611
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Speaker 4: But Port Adelaide in twenty seventeen, this was by far

612
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Speaker 4: the most aggressive off season that any of these clubs

613
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Speaker 4: have had. In one offseason they added Tom Rockliffe, trendo

614
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Speaker 4: of Times two, Trent Mackenzie and Jack Watts.

615
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Speaker 5: Now, most people would probably look at that Max.

616
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Speaker 4: Is sort of frowning and they would think they had

617
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 4: and that was an unsuccessful period. But my take is

618
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Speaker 4: that they made a prelim two years later they finished

619
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Speaker 4: on top of the ladder. Rocliffe and Mackenzie were both

620
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 4: top ten in the B and F. Therefore they set

621
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Speaker 4: themselves up. They got themselves in a position, and that's

622
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 4: all you can do.

623
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Speaker 2: Treno played a fever to footy as well for the Power.

624
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Speaker 4: I don't think he was in the prelium team, at

625
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 4: least not from my Wikipedia SERTs, so of course the

626
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Speaker 4: respected source. So anyway, like we're going to find out

627
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Speaker 4: with Sint Kilda, are they ready or not that they've

628
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 4: got some solid additions. But yeah, the proof's going to

629
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Speaker 4: be in the pudding next year.

630
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Speaker 2: Max. It'd be too harsh to drop the umpire who

631
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Speaker 2: paid the free kick against Mark O'Connor for just that

632
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Speaker 2: one decision, fair or fast?

633
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think that's what they do. They don't

634
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Speaker 3: drop people based on one decision. No, I think it's

635
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 3: a pretty ordinary one, so fast on that one element, right.

636
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: I think there's a good chance he's getting dropped anyway,

637
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 3: because they have to cut the umpiring pull down to

638
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Speaker 3: half half. Yep, and certainly the biggest mark against him

639
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Speaker 3: on his report card from the weekend, which do that

640
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: report card, by the way, we don't do it basically

641
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 3: every other report except that one. In case you're wondering, Yes,

642
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: so the grades will be normal instead of our ones.

643
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 3: But no, I think it's very fair to include that

644
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 3: in his report of interesting was the four umpire set up?

645
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: The reason why this happened the cam Rainer mark. He

646
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, because if there are only three, there

647
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been a fourth by a watching that one

648
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty meters off.

649
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Speaker 2: The probably not.

650
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Speaker 3: It's an interesting little side note what a mess that was.

651
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Speaker 3: It was.

652
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Speaker 2: But like the fact that we're maybe even discussing whether

653
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: cam Rainer could have been fined for staging suggests the

654
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: potential softness of the.

655
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: So the first one was I don't think anyone agrees

656
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: it was right, and the AFL has even admitted it

657
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: was wrong, so we know that. The second one, yeah,

658
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: that's fine. Zach got to be pushed him over right

659
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 3: front of the it was there. That was there, like

660
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: it shouldn't have been there, because they shouldn't have been

661
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 3: in the situation where it could be there. But the

662
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 3: first one is more about I think Joe Badley put

663
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 3: it pretty well over the weekend. It's that the ethos

664
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: of umpiring should not be that they have to explain

665
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 3: why this is right or wrong. It should be no,

666
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: no one wants that to be part of the game.

667
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 3: No one wants those free kicks to be paid. Hundred

668
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 3: and fifty meters off the ball. It had no impact

669
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 3: on the player whatsoever. And even if it is a

670
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 3: thing that can be an illegal act, just knocking someone over,

671
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: like the Tom Stewart one, I was kind of okay

672
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: with because yeah, he interrupted his run. The Kyle Lohman

673
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 3: interrupted Loman's chance of getting the ball as it was

674
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 3: coming forward. That's an illegal thing to do. But yeah,

675
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: you have to have some nuance and understanding of what's

676
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: realistically worth a free kick for people to buy into

677
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 3: mpiring because a lot of it is about perception, not

678
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: the reality of what is right and what is wrong,

679
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: because people misunderstand the rules all the time. To go

680
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 3: with holding the ball, but if people think that the

681
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: umpires are making mistakes constantly, then even if they aren't

682
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: by the letter of the law, they are because people

683
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: don't believe in them, don't trust them, and don't believe

684
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: in the game. That's a problem.

685
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: BC Jed Walter is Charlie Kurno's best hope of getting

686
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: out of Carlton fair or fast?

687
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: To see of the keys? Yes he does?

688
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I'll say fast because I don't think he.

689
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: I think Charlie still would prefer to go to Sydney

690
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 4: or Geelong.

691
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: So I think would could Gold Coast get involved in

692
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: a multi club trade and sounds Deared Walton.

693
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: Pretty mega to me.

694
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 4: Yes, I'll backtrack and say fair. That's a great idea.

695
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 4: I think Yeah, so this is j Clark's reporting saying

696
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 4: that Jed Walter is a player that Carlton is interested

697
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 4: in and he could hold the key.

698
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: Or could be interesting. It was very qualified. Could this

699
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: could well? Maybe?

700
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: I think I think reading between the lines, he heard

701
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 4: something and instead of reporting it as a story, he

702
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 4: just made it a bit more opinion.

703
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 5: He but clearly he heard.

704
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 4: Whether it's from Kerno's management, Carlton or another party, someone

705
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 4: is sort of trying to push the The.

706
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: Suggested this was about messaging. This was maybe Carlton saying hey, okay,

707
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: just get this out there. We'd be willing to do

708
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: this for Walter.

709
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, And like maybe it's even Walter's manager. That's

710
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 4: doubtful but possible. But I think it is really interesting, gents,

711
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 4: because you look at Sydney, you look at Geelong, it's

712
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 4: really really hard to work out how those teams could

713
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 4: get a trade done in terms of like if there

714
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 4: was a play that they would involve.

715
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 5: We've heard about.

716
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 4: Guys like Goulden, Heeney, et cetera, like those guys just

717
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 4: aren't going to get traded. But then you look at

718
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 4: Walter and he's one that I think Carlton would be

719
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 4: like Carlton would want and Gold Coast would at least

720
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: think about it, So it kind of it kind of

721
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 4: fits if you do like a Venn diagram, it would

722
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 4: kind of fit into that little sweet spot where it

723
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 4: might happen. But there's a lot of water to go

724
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 4: into the bridge because Walt would have to agree to it.

725
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 4: The Suns, like, I don't even know if the Sons

726
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 4: would want.

727
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 5: To do that.

728
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 4: They are really well set up for the next ten

729
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: years as they are a bit of sort of Oklahoma

730
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 4: City Thunder sort of style in the NBA, like do

731
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 4: you risk what you've got building that's going so strong

732
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 4: and take the gamble on Charlie. I'm sure Damien Hardrick

733
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 4: would like to do that, but with the rest of

734
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 4: the club, So there's a lot there's going to be

735
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: a lot more talked about between now and the trade period.

736
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 4: But he certainly looms as an interesting piece, so he's

737
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 4: basically James Harden.

738
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: No one actually wants to trade for him, so eventually

739
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: the move gets done.

740
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 4: Any I mean, it's almost a little bit disrespectful to

741
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 4: Charlie comparing him to whoa goodness like Charlie.

742
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: I think I meant durant mole than anything there the hoologies.

743
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, it's in it. Well, well, yeah, it's gonna

744
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 4: be interesting.

745
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: That's a much nicer comparison.

746
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: Yes, Max Matthew Nicks had to be stronger and addressed

747
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: the booing of Isaac Quaynor in his press conference.

748
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: Fear or fast Crows of stuff. This up for about

749
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: a month now, right, So there was the initial handling

750
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: of the Rainer suspension and the appeal which dragged on

751
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: for an eternity. That was everyone was at fault there,

752
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: and eventually it got done. Rankin did his apology a

753
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: bit late, but it was a good apology. So then

754
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: we have the booing of Quana on Thursday night.

755
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: Who it hasn't been publicly confirmed on the record by

756
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: any party that he was involved in the actual incident initially.

757
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: But it was a bit of an open secret, I think,

758
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: and based on the response, it was very open in Adelaide.

759
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: So he gets that negative response for being the victim

760
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: of a homer phobic slur. That's logical. Good job, fans,

761
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: And then you have the Crows being asked about it.

762
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: So they had two press conferences within twenty four hours

763
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: of the game. I wasn't expecting Riley O'Brien to talk

764
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: about it, particularly because that's not his place. But Matthew

765
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: Nicks said nothing about it, very specifically said like I'm

766
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: not going to comment on that, which was disappointing. And

767
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: then the club statement, which they have even more time

768
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: to think about and word correctly, was a nothing statement.

769
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: So that's really disappointing that. I understand it's hard to

770
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: call out your own fans because they are you're paying customers,

771
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: and you're going to anger some people, but you have

772
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: to in that case because it very clearly came from

773
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: a place of you dabbed in our player. We're gonna

774
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: boo you about this situation, and people like I think

775
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: step was Stephen Rowe talking about row Yes on five

776
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: double A. I did hear this. It was on radio,

777
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: saying that you know, he's the one who did it,

778
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: He's the one who dbbed him in an absurd position

779
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: to take this footy brained take that, how dare he

780
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: report a homophobic slur in the most professional way possible,

781
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: not making a big deal out of it and doing

782
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: it behind in back channels, utterly absurd. So so many

783
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 3: people made themselves look like complete idiots, and the fact

784
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: that this is going to sound flippant, but it made

785
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: me cheer for Collingwood the whole situation. That good for you, Collingwood.

786
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: I'm glad that some of those people left that game miserable.

787
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: So Monique vander Hayden, who's Fox Sports News Adelaide correspondent.

788
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: I've worked with Menique before on AFLW games and she's

789
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: a star. She read a really good piece of Fox

790
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: Sports dot Com Dot You because Monique herself is queer

791
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: and talked about how she has a slight adelaide leaning

792
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: I think.

793
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: And I think she's a port fan technically port technically

794
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: I does enjoy just but.

795
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: She covers the Crows a lot, and I think she's

796
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: seen a lot of Crows games over the years, and

797
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: I think she felt very disappointed in that she put

798
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: it so well in the piece of Fox Sports dot

799
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Speaker 2: Com Dot You. And also on the same DAYBC you

800
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: spoke to a number of different people in this space.

801
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 4: Yes, I spoke to cobbyn Middle Mass Runners and Angie

802
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 4: Green and they all sort of Corbyn of course Fox

803
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 4: Footy commentator.

804
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 5: The other two ladies that I spoke to.

805
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: Work in sort of inclusion and you know, gay sort

806
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: of rights and things like that.

807
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 3: I look about diversity, yes, And I just.

808
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 4: Thought it was interesting because we haven't this is an

809
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 4: uncomfortable topic. We haven't really been faced with it much

810
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: in the AFL, and I just thought it was a

811
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 4: good chance to speak to people certainly more qualified than me,

812
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 4: to try to get a grasp of why this is

813
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 4: such an important issue. And the thing that drove me

814
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 4: to write this piece was that I got really uncomfortable,

815
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 4: and similar to what you're describing with the piece that

816
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 4: was on our on our website, seeing some supporters on Twitter,

817
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 4: Adelaide fans saying I felt really uncomfortable at the game

818
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 4: the other night. Like to be honest, it just it

819
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: breaks your heart hearing that, like it's footage. Should be

820
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 4: a game that we all go to, that we all

821
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: feel comfortably and that we love and we can even

822
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 4: sit next to opposition fans and we all get along,

823
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 4: so no one should ever feel less about themselves at

824
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 4: the footy. That was the thing that I found the

825
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 4: most upsetting person and I agree with MAXI like Matthew

826
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 4: Nicks just should have owned it. I would have hoped

827
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 4: that if it was Craig McCrae and the shoe was

828
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 4: on the other foot, I think he probably would have.

829
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 4: I hope he would, at least because a lot of

830
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: people have said, oh, if it was colling if you know,

831
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: if it was ranking Collingwood fans would have booed him.

832
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 3: But there wasn't about Crows fans, Edie, Most if not

833
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: all clubs would have had the same response from some

834
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 3: portion of their fan base. Yeah, that's just human beings

835
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 3: behaving away. That's nothing to do with the intrinsic nature

836
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 3: of being a Crows fan. So this isn't about calling

837
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 3: out the Crows, isn't about trying to No one's trying

838
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: to bring Adelaide down. People really liked this Adelaide story.

839
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: It's a fun thing that they play fun footy and

840
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: it's like, oh cool, they're going to be successful for

841
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: the first time in a while. Neutral fans were adopting

842
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: them as a second team. They spoiled all of it.

843
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: It's a micro chasm of a bigger issue with society.

844
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: BC Carlton can't afford to lose Mitch McGovern fair or fast.

845
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 3: We've heard it many times.

846
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean I would actually say fair, mainly on

847
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 4: the basis that they've already lost Jack Sulvanney, so they're

848
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 4: already like their back six. It was actually good this year,

849
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 4: like they added Nick Haynes and it was it was

850
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 4: better than it ever been.

851
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: It's probably outperformed as expectation.

852
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: Certainly from the start of the season. He didn't have

853
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 3: a great introduction.

854
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 4: But yes, so I if I'm Carlton and you've already

855
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 4: lost Sylvanna, who I think is their second best defender

856
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 4: after Weedering, like I don't want to lose McGovern as well.

857
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not the greatest player.

858
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 4: He can he's you know, he can be a bit unreliable,

859
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 4: but I think for the price that you would get

860
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 4: him for it would certainly be a lot cheaper than

861
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 4: his last contract. You can swing him both sides of

862
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 4: the ground. If he's not in your best twenty three,

863
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 4: it's not the end of the world, although you would

864
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: expect he would be.

865
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: Because it make it a bit more curious that he

866
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: then wasn't selected for the final home and away game,

867
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 2: which would have triggered an automatic extension.

868
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 3: That might be a leverage thing. If you trigger the extension,

869
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 3: he's guaranteed to get that money. You can now sign

870
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 3: him for what you want.

871
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 4: To Ideally, I do wonder, and this isn't intell or anything.

872
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 4: I just wonder if this is a standards cultural type

873
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: of thing, like similar to like a Jake Stringer when

874
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 4: he left Essendon, where it's like, we know that you're

875
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 4: a good footballer, but the direction that we're wanting to

876
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 4: going in. Michael Voss makes no apologies for being very disciplined,

877
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 4: just like the way he played very hard nosed operator.

878
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 4: I just wonder if they're sort of maybe wanting to

879
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 4: pull in a new direction. Obviously, the young fellow dean

880
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 4: coming through. Do we think he's going to be there

881
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 4: round one?

882
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: Is he that player that I was told I was

883
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: told immediately after the championships that he should be playing

884
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: round one?

885
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 4: Yes, So maybe they're thinking we've got him him and

886
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 4: waitering maybe along with Haynes.

887
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 5: Maybe that's enough.

888
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 4: So maybe if McGovern's sort of that play that they

889
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 4: think isn't driving standards and isn't going to be part

890
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 4: of the next premiership team, and what's the point of keeping.

891
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: Him and eventually the son of the lawyer whose name

892
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: escapes him right carry O'Farrell unfortunately won't play next year

893
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: but because of his ACL but was very impressive this

894
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: year and they're going to have some defensive stocks. The

895
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: problem with what they've got now is that by not

896
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 3: yet resigning McGovern, all these clubs are inquiring about him.

897
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: There were reports last on Sunday that four clubs at

898
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: least have inquired. Yes, that's driving up his price. So

899
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: if you're going to get him cheaply now you may

900
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 3: not get him quite so cheaply.

901
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: And Max last one Airlines must be held accountable by

902
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: the a triple C outrageous AFL price gouging fair or fast.

903
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: I mean yes, fair, but that expects the atureable see

904
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: to be active and do more than just let's talk

905
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: about Colson wo Worth's ben come. Yes, Coldworth, what a

906
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: what a.

907
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: Football tragedy though for Hawks fans, so that they I

908
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: mean it's not that far over drive. You can drive

909
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: to Adelaide, which and then the Pies obviously did the

910
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: did the good hearted thing and about four or five

911
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: buses took them from there.

912
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 3: What a ride home that would have been. I cannot

913
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: think of a place less like but yes, no, it

914
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: is particular. It's I mean, that's a this is a

915
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: societal problem with demand based pricing. Ubers tickets for contest,

916
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: anything where they can jack up the price because they

917
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 3: know people will pay it eventually. That's It's it's stupid,

918
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 3: but that's hey, capitalism is pretty fun, right guys.

919
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: Thank you Max for those really deep thoughts here on

920
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: fair Fast. Speaking of deep, how about these questions from

921
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: our listeners on the.

922
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: Fox Foody podcast, It's time to open up the mailbag.

923
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: Have a question for the panel tweeters every Monday morning

924
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: at Fox Footy.

925
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: Pretty pretty deep. I spoke philosophical. Look, we asked the

926
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: important questions. You're in the mail bag. Thank you to

927
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: everyone who wrote in. Responding to our tweet, A couple

928
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: of people, Jimmy and Rockett, asked the same rocket's very

929
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: important question. Yes, guy, McKenna, Jewey do all three at

930
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: the same time. And then Tony Cochran comes in in

931
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: his Vight supercar. What are your guys doing?

932
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 5: And it's got to be Gary, doesn't it?

933
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 3: Lion it had Yeah, it probably makes most sense, which

934
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 3: we can hear aboutself. It's a fun he could present.

935
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, that's a great solution.

936
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 5: Save some money.

937
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would and then Charlie Constable could hand over them.

938
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 2: That makes Smith very that's true, and George horn Smith

939
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: and Jordan Murdoch.

940
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 5: Sorry, yes, keep going.

941
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: Please, I got you on a tangent. That's dangerous. Name

942
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: football players been. Rocket does not ask about getting mints

943
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: and off. He asks why does David Rodin not picked

944
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: for the first week of finals rodent goal umpire extraordinary boy?

945
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: Instead he was umpiring at Arden Street Oval on Sunday

946
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: in the North Melbourne v Colling with afl W game.

947
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: But he's still doing it with a massive.

948
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: Smile, so he was happy. He was fine, very happy.

949
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: Him and Raiser Ray I'm officiating in the same game.

950
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 5: Do we actually know what? Do we have any inkling

951
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 5: as to here?

952
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: I mean it would be that he was not judged

953
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 3: to be one of the eight best goal umpires for

954
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 3: the season. So these are things that happen in the

955
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 3: umpiring department when they do their grades on who's very impressive.

956
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what the metrics would be like lack.

957
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: Of score reviews or correct or lack of overturned.

958
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: Reviews, most frowns. He would have scored poorly unfortunately.

959
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: Like to have a beer with David Wright and I

960
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: reckon it be good sort of god like to have

961
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 4: a beer with.

962
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 5: He took a really good block.

963
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: Ta Vita Roadan is coming through the system in the

964
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: next couple of years. I don't know as much about

965
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: the sort of coming years the draft yet, but he's

966
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 2: very much on the rain.

967
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 3: You've got time to do your research and we know

968
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: you'd be well across it. One more question here from.

969
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 5: Mitch who asks never.

970
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: Yes, speaking of Geelong, this is about the West Australian's

971
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: back page on Saturday.

972
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: I want to say I did not realize before the

973
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 2: game the fold out or just literally before the game,

974
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: literally before the game, literally before printed, printed before coast

975
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: the Saturday Morning paper yes, with their headline of the

976
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: best things in life are easy finals wins, which is

977
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: playing off the Fremantle slogan the best things of life.

978
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: Are freo yes. Of like, was the West Australian merely

979
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 3: tempting fate or did they inadvertently give the Suns the

980
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: emotional ammunition they needed to overcome the hostile crowd or both?

981
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: Possibly both. I wouldn't want to suggest that the West's

982
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: back page went against them and did poorly for some reason.

983
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 4: With the sons of thread, do you think.

984
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: I mean, there's only one paper in town, so you

985
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 3: sort of have to over there.

986
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 5: True, so I.

987
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 2: Would be surprised if it was filtered in the playing group,

988
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. I'm not saying that that with

989
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: any knowledge. I don't know that. Just players who say

990
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: they don't know what he said is the biggest furfy

991
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: of all time. They know what is going on, not

992
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 2: necessarily directly, but it does get back to the mates text.

993
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: There's no way that not one Gold Coast player would

994
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: have gone into that game being not aware of what

995
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: was on the back page of.

996
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 3: The West Australian. The one that really sticks out to me,

997
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: of course in history five years ago, twenty twenty Elimination Final, Collingwood,

998
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: West Coast. Yes, the Dirty Pies, Yes, because of the

999
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: COVID situation.

1000
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 4: To be honest, there wasn't much else for anyone to

1001
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 4: read at that point, so that was just you know that,

1002
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 4: that was all we had.

1003
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 5: Newspaper's information.

1004
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 3: That was new newspaper's heyday. He was twenty twenty, just

1005
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 3: purely because of that, and then waiting for Dan's latest

1006
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: press conferences. Yes, too soon, I think we're right to

1007
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: go with our next segment. Let's do it.

1008
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: Let's hear how many years ago?

1009
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 4: Was it?

1010
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 2: Nineteen years ago? No, twenty nine.

1011
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: Years ago, twenty nine, thirty years ago? Kevin said this, well,

1012
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: not this, This is the intro. That was the intro.

1013
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: Does a sting? That's the sting? Yeah, he said. This

1014
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: put a good one this week.

1015
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: From Touch of Cunning.

1016
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: From a Touch of Cunning, Kevin Cheeny's first book, published

1017
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: in nineteen.

1018
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: Who would have thought the prequel would be just as

1019
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: good as the secret?

1020
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, that's what they say when they're doing commentary

1021
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 3: on the first game after the second. So this this

1022
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: is a chapter about Caroline Wilson.

1023
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: Carro an entire chapter about Carrot.

1024
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: Well, it leads, as you can see, it leads with

1025
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: the big words.

1026
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: Caroline Willis has shot me down eight times so far,

1027
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 2: and she can't kill me. That's not a bad quote

1028
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: to start.

1029
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 3: Get me read two, chapter thirty two of a Touch

1030
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: of Cunning. This is what former resident coach Kevin Sheedy

1031
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: had to say. Caroline herself was a longtime friend and

1032
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 3: admirer of Kevin Sheedy, but things have changed, particularly Tom

1033
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 3: Price speaking. Yes, this is the narrow. Yes, particularly you

1034
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: can tell my voice is slightly different. Yes, particularly as

1035
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: far as the Sheety is a concerned. Miss Wilson is

1036
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 3: no longer welcome in Geraldine She's home. And Kevin Sheedy

1037
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: is apt to refer to the Adams family when he

1038
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: is talking of the Wilsons. The change freeze might be

1039
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: a better word, at least as far as Geraldine Sheedey

1040
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: is concerned. Began on fifteen November nineteen eighty eight. That

1041
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: was the day the Melbourne Herald Pointed printed a long

1042
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 3: story by Caroline Wilson under the headline the Crisis hits

1043
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: Windy Hill. The story was accompanied by.

1044
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: A derisive photo cartoon of Sheedy titled the Coach under Pressure.

1045
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: Caroline Wilson infuriated Sheety by using a quote from an

1046
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: anonymous player no longer an Essenon to enterr article, which

1047
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 3: caused a predictable stir football circle. The quote was Sheedy

1048
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: knock backed us for Long's job and called us in

1049
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: and gave us a long lecture about loyalty. Three months later,

1050
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: he sacked Steve Carey and Peter Bradbury from Mike Richardson.

1051
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 3: They were two of the best clubmen his message lost

1052
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: a lot of it's ring after that. Caroline Wilson has

1053
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 3: shot me nowt eight times so far, and she can't

1054
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: kill me, she said with a snort. She wrote a

1055
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 3: story once in which she said she couldn't find me.

1056
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: To refute what she had said, I said to her,

1057
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 3: everyone else can find me, but you can't. That was

1058
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: three Foster's Cups and two Grand Finals ago. Oh, I

1059
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 3: don't mind it. I knew Caroline when she was a kid.

1060
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: That's footy, that's life. You'll learn to wear it. When

1061
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: Caroline interviewed me these days, I ask her, are you

1062
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: ready for another crunch? One time I stopped her in

1063
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: mid sentence when I asked who Esoteric played for. Next time,

1064
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: I'll ask her who Bizarre plays for. That's one of

1065
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: her favorite words these days. I'll say he sounds Spanish?

1066
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: Is he related to Jose Romerock? We Bulldogs player?

1067
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 4: A drum turned into a Drummer's.

1068
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty eight. That article came out, So nearly forty

1069
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: years later, Caro is still causing dropping bombs. Yeah, dropping

1070
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: bombshells everywhere.

1071
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: Quite the legacy that you leave.

1072
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 4: Yeah in football quote card options in there.

1073
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: Yes, looks for hard to seeing that on Instagram in

1074
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 3: the next twenty four hours.

1075
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you Kevin.

1076
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: That was a good one. Thank you Max.

1077
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that contribution. Looking forward to hearing from Vin

1078
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks time.

1079
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 3: It's nice stops as well.

1080
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: Adelaide and Hawthorne play on Friday nights. The interesting thing

1081
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: that sort of emerged on Friday during the Geelong Brisbane

1082
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: game was that the Collingwood home preliminary final would be

1083
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: played on the Saturday twilight time slot Geelong on the

1084
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: Friday night.

1085
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 3: We assume Saturday twilight. We don't know for sure, but it.

1086
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: Would make the most sense because it is now going

1087
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: to be either Brisbane or the Gold Coast Suns playing

1088
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: Collingwood on that Saturday, which would allow either of those

1089
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: two teams to get home ahead of the Grand Final.

1090
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: Last night last year, the Gelong Brisbane prelim was five

1091
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: fifteen PM, so it would not surprise me for I

1092
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: was the same start for Collingwoods one, which I love

1093
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 3: that timeslot.

1094
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: Yes, so Adelaide and Hawthorne men play on the Friday

1095
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 2: night and then would then back up off the seven

1096
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: day break to play Geelong. Correct on the Friday night

1097
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: as well. Who's going to win this clash between first

1098
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: and eighth and the lads and I for the Ricky

1099
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: Henderson Cup of course, Yes, yes.

1100
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: I mean pre finals. I said that Hawthorne was making

1101
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: a prelim at least from it's going to stick to

1102
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 3: it and I'm gonna stick with it. I think the

1103
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 3: Hawks are good enough. I think Adelaide. I also said

1104
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: that Adelaide felt like a prelim loser team to me.

1105
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: Either way, my prediction can be right. That's the best part.

1106
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: When you talk so much, you get right and wrong

1107
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: things bought. Yes, let's go, let's go Hawks.

1108
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 4: I'm going to go Hawthorne as well. Let's just manifest

1109
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 4: and speak it into the universe. So it's Hawthorne Vigel.

1110
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait, wait no, what have I done? Oh god?

1111
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's just.

1112
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: If you're a Geelong fan, would you prefer to be

1113
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: playing Colling and final or Hawthorne in the preliminary.

1114
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: Final for to crawl into a small hole and live

1115
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: there for the next fortnite?

1116
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 5: You might get both, might get both, so.

1117
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 3: That plays we win the first one at least.

1118
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 4: How much of the Cats Hawks probably how much do

1119
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 4: you reckon that would get crowd, they'd pack it out massive, Yeah.

1120
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: They'd pack it out.

1121
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be a grand fight.

1122
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: It'd be a hundred out.

1123
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'd be close. If Brisbane Gelong last year was

1124
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 4: ninety three, I think roughly.

1125
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: That sounds right, Yeah, so it should be.

1126
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 4: It was massive, So imagine if Hawks geo would be huge.

1127
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 5: Hopefully the Hawks win, but because.

1128
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: It could also be the first all Victorian final of

1129
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 2: the Final series. That's first since Hawthorne Dogs.

1130
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: That sounds right, yes last year. Yes, so exciting times.

1131
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: Look like we are doing the thing where we count

1132
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: out the qualifying final loser and Thede can win. They've

1133
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 3: lost two games at home all year last week and

1134
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 3: then Geelong and gather around, so we know they can

1135
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: get the job done. They beat the Hawks in a

1136
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: pretty good game a few weeks back. Yeah, but the

1137
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: Hawks were right in.

1138
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: That basically Based basically won the game for them.

1139
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: And you felt his absence severely. So we don't know

1140
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 3: if Shelley's been picked as of recording for this week,

1141
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 3: but that would be an important factor for them.

1142
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 4: Hawthorne is more settled than other lad at the moment,

1143
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 4: like even the VFL team like they've got all these

1144
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 4: guys in a really good form in the VFL haussway.

1145
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 4: Mackenzie mirr lewis like that they are they are cherry

1146
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 4: right to win and Adelaide has been off the boil

1147
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 4: for a few weeks later, like they only struggled to

1148
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 4: get past the sort of struggled to get past North

1149
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 4: in the last game of the season. They probably should

1150
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 4: have lost to collin With the week before, so there

1151
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 4: is warning signs for the Crows.

1152
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: And then the first ever finals pineapple grapple between the

1153
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: Brisbane Lines and the Gold Coast Suns.

1154
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 3: We have this, We've had.

1155
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: A Branding Cup.

1156
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 3: Sorry, We've had a Showdown Final. We've had four Sydney

1157
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: Derby's that we have and we've still never had a

1158
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: Western Derby Derby rather in a final.

1159
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 2: We're very close in twenty fifteen Yees having a Western

1160
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 2: Derby Grand Final.

1161
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 3: Correct, but Freemantle loss, Ah Sheridan.

1162
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: Yes, it was that game, was it?

1163
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure that was unless they

1164
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: bottled another prelim at some point that I've missed. Sorry

1165
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: for air fans you turned off, you didn't listen to

1166
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: this podcast. I know that Gold Coasts can beat Brisbane,

1167
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 3: can't they? They can. I'm going to tip Brisbane though.

1168
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 3: I tipped Brisbane to go the long way and I'm

1169
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 3: going to stick with that. Would you if you're Brisbane

1170
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 3: and and let's say they do win this, are you

1171
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: happier getting Collingwood at the MCG in a prelim than

1172
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 3: getting Adelaide at alaid Over? Yeah?

1173
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think that's necessarily thing. Either circumstance would

1174
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: intimidate them. But they have got the points on the

1175
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: board against Collingwood now, like enough now, I think to

1176
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: give them some real confidence heading into that game.

1177
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 3: I think said that they were poor at the MCG

1178
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 3: on Friday that were you know, trends can change.

1179
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 4: I also think Brisbane should win. But but gold Goes

1180
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 4: has this just no fear approach at the moment where

1181
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 4: you just know that it's going to travel well. And

1182
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 4: I could see them honestly making a Grand Final in

1183
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 4: this current sort of like that a really good year.

1184
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 4: They were in the top four for a key chunk

1185
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: of the year. They beat Port, they would have been

1186
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 4: in the top Yeah, so you shouldn't write them off.

1187
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 4: When's the last time Brisbane lost a final at the Gabba,

1188
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 4: does anyone know?

1189
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've lost a few. They certainly lost to the

1190
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: Giants in twenty nineteen.

1191
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: They lost the semi of the Balldogs. Think both times

1192
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: they went out straight sets to me foot that was

1193
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one.

1194
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 5: Yes, I've come a long way since that.

1195
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 4: I actually think they're were Clearly, they're way more better

1196
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 4: equipped now to handle Locke Neels Absince than ever before.

1197
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 4: They were playing some good foot in the back end

1198
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 4: without him as it was, and I think they can

1199
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 4: cover as much of a good player as he is.

1200
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 4: But it does make it a big task in terms

1201
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 4: of winning the premiership.

1202
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: I would be surprised if both bottom half of the

1203
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: eight teams won, but they absolutely can. The win rate

1204
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 3: is about fifty five percent, so to eight of eighteen

1205
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: teams have got out in straight sets since the pre

1206
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 3: finals buy was introduced, So it's entirely realistic. History says

1207
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: about one of.

1208
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 4: Them will and they aren't traditional doing this in quotations

1209
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 4: bottom half of the eight teams than the Yeah, so.

1210
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 3: Entirely winnable games, entirely excited games.

1211
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: Yes for us to enjoy. Yes, of course, the first

1212
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: weekend that we just had with Fox Footy commentary on

1213
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: all finals as well. It was great to have Dwayne

1214
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: on the Frio Suns call on Saturday night.

1215
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 3: Disappointedly didn't drop the big Steel, which he seems to

1216
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 3: drop most games. Big Steel. He loves the big steel.

1217
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 3: He's desperate for the big steel.

1218
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 5: Matt Hill on Thursday night.

1219
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that, Yes, and then I've had a look

1220
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 2: at the roster. So it's Jared and Huddo on Friday

1221
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: night and Dwayne and Howie for the the Sunshines dash boy.

1222
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: Excuse me grapple, Sorry, it is the pineapple grapple. Folks,

1223
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: if I hear any of you using q clash, what

1224
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 3: is the angrily twitter like?

1225
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: What's the better queens and sporting rivalry? Is it the

1226
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: pineapple grapple or the reptile rumble in the National Basketball League?

1227
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 3: That exists?

1228
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: It doesn't anymore. That was the Old Towns or Crocodiles

1229
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: and the Cans typing what.

1230
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: About the Singapore Slingers? What sort of rivalries do they

1231
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 3: have too?

1232
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: Soon Ringers, That is the end of the Fox Foody

1233
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 2: podcast kick. Looking back to Foxfoody dot com dot au.

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