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Speaker 1: whole area has been raised in the last year or so.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of money going into this and a

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Speaker 1: lot of development that's about to happen there to how

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Speaker 1: some ninety six people. Nick Champion is the Housing Planning

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Speaker 1: Minister and is on the line minister, good morning, am

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Speaker 1: I right in that spot? Is that where this is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right, Matthew. You can't really miss it.

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Speaker 2: It's a big empty site on Anzac Highway there and

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Speaker 2: we've cleared, as you said before, all those old better

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Speaker 2: the sixties and the seventies, really good for their time,

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Speaker 2: but of course now not really fits a purpose. And

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Speaker 2: we had quite a bit of antisocial behavior on that

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Speaker 2: big chunk of lands, so we want to clear it

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Speaker 2: and start again. And we've just submitted some development application

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Speaker 2: and we're making our plans public for some additional units

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Speaker 1: Okay, how tall is six story? I've answered my question.

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Speaker 1: Just seen it six story building, So that's reasonably high,

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Speaker 1: isn't it? For an Zak high I mean soon And

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Speaker 1: you see what else has gone in on Anzac Highway

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Speaker 2: Well, look, as long as it's done tastefully, that's not

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Speaker 2: necessarily a bad thing. We've been careful on Anzac Highway

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Speaker 2: shops where we've been careful about height. But you know,

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Speaker 2: we do need to get hight on boulevards like Anzac Highway,

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Speaker 2: and you can have quite a nice effect as long

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Speaker 2: as you get the architecture right, and we think we've

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Speaker 1: Okay, So now ninety six people on this site, which

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Speaker 1: you could have Well maybe you couldn't. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've filled up the land appropriately, but that

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Speaker 2: Frankly, Well, this is just the first stage on that site,

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Speaker 2: so we're only using about a third of it for

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Speaker 1: More to come.

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Speaker 2: But that's right, there's probably two more stages to come

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Speaker 2: on this site. And obviously we want to get the

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Speaker 2: best bang for our buck. Housing trust land is valuable

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Speaker 2: get the best possible outcome for it. And so what

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Speaker 2: we're already getting out of this site is one for

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Speaker 2: one replacement. And obviously as projects go forward the second

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Speaker 2: the mix right. Obviously, you don't want large concentrations of

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Speaker 2: you know, particular cohorts. We want to get a good

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Speaker 2: most use out of public land.

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Speaker 1: All right. Often have this discussion with you in the

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Speaker 1: and suburbs around Plimpton which has seen an explosion of

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Speaker 1: You drive down the streets, which will lead me to

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Speaker 1: All right. The other issue, and this is about the

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Speaker 2: Well, firstly with garages, obviously that's an Australian standard, and

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Speaker 2: Everybody wants to park out the front of their house.

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Speaker 2: putting some restraints on that because of the Selm Mary case,

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Speaker 2: we're helping counselors with that as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So so some developments there. Look, thanks

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Matt, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Nick Champion, who is the hounsing Minister. Michelle Lensing, Shadow

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Speaker 1: Housing Minister on the line.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Yeah, good morning Matty. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm all right, thank you you've called in?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, such right. So a lot of these problems arose,

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Speaker 3: of course because the former government had a target of

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Speaker 3: the really small block sizes and tightness in particular developments

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Speaker 3: driving people crazy. So it's good to see that the

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Speaker 3: Labor Party has changed its mind about the sorts of

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Speaker 3: developments that we need into the future, including green fields

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Speaker 3: and those sorts of ones as well, because we certainly

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Speaker 3: need to have a lot more diversity in our housing

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Speaker 3: supply and the way that we provide housing to people

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Speaker 3: to accommodate all the people that we need to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, very important. Obviously we need to do that,

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Speaker 1: but as you say, it should be done right and

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Speaker 1: there's a lot I think in planning and having had

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Speaker 1: the next little while. Well the Minister hinting that that

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Speaker 3: With that, Well, look, there's always more that needs to

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Speaker 1: I need to ask you, as a former cabinet minister,

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Speaker 1: the loss in Black the other day on Saturday obviously

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Speaker 1: demoralizing for the part. You'd have to say, thirteen seats,

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Speaker 3: Well, it's obviously a very very disappointing result for us.

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Speaker 3: We were going to learn from it. But I think

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Speaker 3: think you never say never in this game, and we

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Speaker 3: obviously have some work to do and we're going to

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Speaker 1: Michelle Lens appreciate the call in, thank you, thank you,