1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approache production. 2 00:00:11,401 --> 00:00:14,041 Speaker 2: This is Our Little Lady, the story of a fifteen 3 00:00:14,081 --> 00:00:16,601 Speaker 2: year old girl who police say took her own life 4 00:00:16,721 --> 00:00:19,921 Speaker 2: nine years ago, and now the world is starting to 5 00:00:20,001 --> 00:00:22,561 Speaker 2: believe what her parents have thought all along. 6 00:00:23,161 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 3: I remember Amanda just grabbing me and picking me up 7 00:00:25,841 --> 00:00:29,441 Speaker 3: off the road and she said, you've got to go home, Jason, 8 00:00:29,641 --> 00:00:30,721 Speaker 3: because she can't be here. 9 00:00:31,041 --> 00:00:35,281 Speaker 2: That Eden Westbrook did not take her own life. In 10 00:00:35,321 --> 00:00:37,721 Speaker 2: the last seven days, so much has happened. We left 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,481 Speaker 2: you in the last episode with the revelations, the police 12 00:00:40,521 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: say that they have spoken with the girl we've been 13 00:00:43,721 --> 00:00:47,081 Speaker 2: calling Kate. Jason and Amanda received a letter back from 14 00:00:47,081 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: the acting commander that said that he'd been advised that 15 00:00:49,961 --> 00:00:52,961 Speaker 2: Kate had been spoken to last year. This was shocking 16 00:00:52,961 --> 00:00:57,841 Speaker 2: new information information Jason and Amanda didn't know until this 17 00:00:57,961 --> 00:00:58,921 Speaker 2: police response. 18 00:00:59,521 --> 00:01:03,681 Speaker 4: Blind away, Jay had no idea, had no stays. Did 19 00:01:03,721 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 4: we feel or no that the police had spoken to Kate. 20 00:01:07,161 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: I want to say that we did know that there 21 00:01:09,761 --> 00:01:14,481 Speaker 2: was an inspector looking into this in twenty twenty three, 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: so we were aware, and you were aware that there 23 00:01:17,241 --> 00:01:20,761 Speaker 2: was an inspector and he spoke to you, right Jason over. 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,921 Speaker 3: The phone, And no official statements were taken by that 25 00:01:25,161 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: inspector at the time. 26 00:01:26,881 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: Who why didn't he talk to the lady that was 27 00:01:30,081 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: just recently come on the podcast by the way, thank 28 00:01:32,801 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: you so very much for coming forward. Yeah, why wasn't 29 00:01:35,601 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: she approached and spoken to? Why wasn't I approach and 30 00:01:38,721 --> 00:01:41,481 Speaker 1: spoken to? Both of us were at the scene for 31 00:01:41,601 --> 00:01:43,041 Speaker 1: some number of hours. 32 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: He did speak to Bobby Lee too, I believe, is 33 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:45,921 Speaker 2: that right? 34 00:01:46,161 --> 00:01:48,201 Speaker 4: Yeah, he spoke to Bobby Lee and the two friends 35 00:01:48,201 --> 00:01:50,561 Speaker 4: that were with her on that day where Kate approached 36 00:01:50,561 --> 00:01:51,481 Speaker 4: bobbyly at the park. 37 00:01:52,321 --> 00:01:55,121 Speaker 3: He did that again over the phone with no official statement, 38 00:01:55,401 --> 00:01:58,881 Speaker 3: and then I don't believe anyone was called into any 39 00:01:58,881 --> 00:02:00,921 Speaker 3: police station to do a formal statement. 40 00:02:01,041 --> 00:02:03,961 Speaker 2: From what we understand, and certainly from what Kim, the 41 00:02:04,041 --> 00:02:07,241 Speaker 2: delivery driver that was first to spot Eden's body, what 42 00:02:07,401 --> 00:02:10,841 Speaker 2: she said was that she had no further contact with 43 00:02:10,921 --> 00:02:14,041 Speaker 2: police from six months after that Eden died. 44 00:02:14,201 --> 00:02:16,881 Speaker 3: Which is interesting because six months after Eden died, we 45 00:02:16,921 --> 00:02:21,161 Speaker 3: had one of the confortable to add courage of Eden's investigation. 46 00:02:20,841 --> 00:02:23,001 Speaker 4: Come to our house asking. 47 00:02:22,641 --> 00:02:27,201 Speaker 3: For Eden's journal and get this Edan's phone, So we're 48 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,721 Speaker 3: figuring it's at the same time the Bridgewater Police got 49 00:02:30,761 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: that witness in and asked about Eden's hand being tied up, 50 00:02:35,201 --> 00:02:37,081 Speaker 3: so obviously something six. 51 00:02:36,881 --> 00:02:38,361 Speaker 5: Months into Paul. 52 00:02:38,161 --> 00:02:43,481 Speaker 3: Reynolds's investigation, it led to a question regarding. 53 00:02:43,201 --> 00:02:46,641 Speaker 4: Eden's journal, Eden's phone, and Eden's hands being tied up. 54 00:02:46,881 --> 00:02:48,401 Speaker 4: Now that's alarming. 55 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,161 Speaker 2: Amber Wilson from The Mercury in Hobart also covered the 56 00:02:52,201 --> 00:02:56,281 Speaker 2: story about Kate being interviewed by police just last year. 57 00:02:56,881 --> 00:02:59,321 Speaker 5: Oh, that was a shock to me. So there were 58 00:02:59,321 --> 00:03:01,321 Speaker 5: a few things that I found shocking about that. So 59 00:03:01,321 --> 00:03:05,441 Speaker 5: the first thing was that it's taken so long to 60 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 5: speak to Kate, and that when the police spoke to Kate, 61 00:03:08,041 --> 00:03:11,241 Speaker 5: they haven't updated the Westbrooks as they've gone along. It 62 00:03:11,281 --> 00:03:13,641 Speaker 5: seems like it was almost like a oh, and by 63 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,321 Speaker 5: the way, we did speak to her, and yet she's fine. 64 00:03:16,641 --> 00:03:20,161 Speaker 5: Nothing to see here. But what we know from Kate's 65 00:03:20,441 --> 00:03:25,041 Speaker 5: behavior after Eden's death was that something was amissed fair, 66 00:03:25,201 --> 00:03:28,041 Speaker 5: something was strange. The fact that the fact that her 67 00:03:28,081 --> 00:03:32,081 Speaker 5: involvement could have been just pushed aside as something that 68 00:03:32,201 --> 00:03:36,841 Speaker 5: wasn't important does seem really strange. Her behaviors after Eden 69 00:03:36,921 --> 00:03:40,321 Speaker 5: says her interactions with other members of the Westbrooks family 70 00:03:41,121 --> 00:03:47,001 Speaker 5: seem too absurd and too strange to be discounted as nothing. 71 00:03:47,361 --> 00:03:49,961 Speaker 5: None of it lines up, does it, Jay? Not at all? 72 00:03:50,041 --> 00:03:54,001 Speaker 5: So this is the thing is that And I'm not 73 00:03:54,081 --> 00:03:57,801 Speaker 5: saying that Kate was involved in Eden's death or wasn't 74 00:03:57,881 --> 00:04:01,281 Speaker 5: involved in eden death, but it certainly seems like she's 75 00:04:01,321 --> 00:04:05,961 Speaker 5: at least witnessed something because she's experienced what really looks 76 00:04:06,001 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 5: like to be trauma symptoms afterwards. 77 00:04:09,321 --> 00:04:14,721 Speaker 2: Is it reasonable for Jason and Amanda to ask police, well, 78 00:04:14,761 --> 00:04:17,441 Speaker 2: can we see what you asked? Can we know what 79 00:04:17,521 --> 00:04:21,161 Speaker 2: you talked to Kate about? That seems fair and reasonable, 80 00:04:21,201 --> 00:04:25,041 Speaker 2: given that they've been asking for nine years that police 81 00:04:25,081 --> 00:04:27,681 Speaker 2: should at least speak with the girl at calling Kate. 82 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 5: I don't believe that police members from any force share 83 00:04:32,361 --> 00:04:36,681 Speaker 5: that level of detail and interrogation with family members. But again, 84 00:04:36,801 --> 00:04:40,081 Speaker 5: that brings us back to the point of an inquest. 85 00:04:40,281 --> 00:04:42,921 Speaker 5: If we could bring the police officers in to give 86 00:04:42,961 --> 00:04:46,921 Speaker 5: evidence and cross examined, then we could find out in 87 00:04:46,961 --> 00:04:52,121 Speaker 5: a fair and impartial public space what they did ask Kate, 88 00:04:52,521 --> 00:04:55,841 Speaker 5: what they didn't ask case, what their observations were of case. 89 00:04:56,561 --> 00:04:58,881 Speaker 1: Can we go back to the scene. 90 00:04:59,601 --> 00:05:02,681 Speaker 6: I'm still at the scene when the. 91 00:05:02,721 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 7: Officer calls a woman that may to call in the 92 00:05:06,121 --> 00:05:11,401 Speaker 7: first place, telling her that there's no suspicious circumstance. I'm 93 00:05:11,401 --> 00:05:13,121 Speaker 7: still at the scene and he hasn't. 94 00:05:12,841 --> 00:05:13,561 Speaker 8: Told me yet. 95 00:05:13,721 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 4: You know, we're talking at eight nine o'clock in the morning. 96 00:05:15,641 --> 00:05:17,961 Speaker 4: She's back at visiar. She rings up the Saint Helen's 97 00:05:18,001 --> 00:05:23,041 Speaker 4: police speaks to another constable who says, there's nothing suspicious. Now, 98 00:05:23,041 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 4: if there's nothing suspicious, why the fuck is even still 99 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,401 Speaker 4: hanging at full view for the public to see. And 100 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,881 Speaker 4: the police are spreading to the witnesses that it's nothing suspicious. 101 00:05:34,361 --> 00:05:37,521 Speaker 8: And I'm still at the scene, and I'm being told what. 102 00:05:37,801 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 4: Time, and this is like eight or nine am who 103 00:05:41,681 --> 00:05:45,681 Speaker 4: come up with that conclusion? What the technical forensic specialists said? 104 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,841 Speaker 4: This is clear cut suicide. Everyone, Let's put out blinkers 105 00:05:48,841 --> 00:05:52,881 Speaker 4: on and focus on writing it off as suicide. 106 00:05:52,401 --> 00:05:55,521 Speaker 2: As you can tell. And quite rightly, Jason and Amanda 107 00:05:55,601 --> 00:05:58,281 Speaker 2: are upset with the fact they feel that Eden's case 108 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: was deemed a suicide from the outset. I wanted to 109 00:06:01,961 --> 00:06:04,561 Speaker 2: get back to the question about police talking to Kate 110 00:06:04,681 --> 00:06:06,881 Speaker 2: last year, and I wanted to know if Jason and 111 00:06:07,001 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: Amanda have asked to see the context of the chat 112 00:06:10,241 --> 00:06:12,681 Speaker 2: police had with Kate back in twenty twenty three. 113 00:06:12,801 --> 00:06:17,801 Speaker 6: We have requested notes and for our statements and for 114 00:06:17,961 --> 00:06:22,801 Speaker 6: any audio that was taken in him speaking with Kate. 115 00:06:22,921 --> 00:06:26,001 Speaker 4: We've recently just written a letter off to the Commissioner 116 00:06:26,121 --> 00:06:30,321 Speaker 4: Don Adams, requesting all that information Jay again. 117 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,561 Speaker 2: And has she come back to that letter as yet. 118 00:06:34,161 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 3: Mate. 119 00:06:34,481 --> 00:06:37,121 Speaker 4: We've got a handball straight down the defensive line to 120 00:06:37,201 --> 00:06:41,681 Speaker 4: the Flower ranking officer and he'll be looking into it. 121 00:06:43,801 --> 00:06:46,361 Speaker 2: Last week, in a final few days of the Senate 122 00:06:46,401 --> 00:06:51,841 Speaker 2: sitting in Parliament, Jackie Lamby, the outspoken Australian politician, raised 123 00:06:52,081 --> 00:06:55,441 Speaker 2: Eden's case. Now Jackie only had ten minutes to state 124 00:06:55,561 --> 00:06:59,001 Speaker 2: her case, so this audio might feel a little bit rush, 125 00:06:59,161 --> 00:07:01,921 Speaker 2: but it's powerful and we're going to play the whole thing. 126 00:07:02,201 --> 00:07:04,201 Speaker 5: Thank you Siner Lambie, Thank you Kin. 127 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,481 Speaker 9: Madame Debbie present. I rise today to speak about the 128 00:07:07,521 --> 00:07:10,241 Speaker 9: life and Souden death of fifteen year old Eden Jade 129 00:07:10,601 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 9: Westbook in twenty fifteen. Many people around the world already 130 00:07:14,281 --> 00:07:17,681 Speaker 9: know Eden's story better than most people in Tasmania and Australia. 131 00:07:18,281 --> 00:07:20,881 Speaker 9: That is largely thanks to the podcast Out of the Lady, 132 00:07:21,201 --> 00:07:24,081 Speaker 9: The Eden Westbrook Story and The Dog at Work of 133 00:07:24,081 --> 00:07:27,001 Speaker 9: Amber Wilson at The Mercury, and on Tuesday the eighteenth, 134 00:07:27,081 --> 00:07:30,681 Speaker 9: the June Channel nineth Under Investigation program brought Eden's story 135 00:07:30,761 --> 00:07:33,921 Speaker 9: to a national audience. Getting Eden's story out there is 136 00:07:33,961 --> 00:07:37,281 Speaker 9: thanks to unpay advocates, and especially the strength and persistence 137 00:07:37,321 --> 00:07:40,081 Speaker 9: of Amanda and Jason, Eden's mom and dad and their 138 00:07:40,121 --> 00:07:43,081 Speaker 9: determination to find out what really happened to their beloved daughter. 139 00:07:43,761 --> 00:07:46,521 Speaker 9: The night before Eden day she died, she had had 140 00:07:46,641 --> 00:07:49,881 Speaker 9: a disagreement with her parents about using her mobile phone 141 00:07:50,081 --> 00:07:52,201 Speaker 9: and went to cool off sitting in a car outside 142 00:07:52,281 --> 00:07:54,961 Speaker 9: her home. At eight forty five pm, Eaeden's sister went 143 00:07:55,001 --> 00:07:58,121 Speaker 9: outside to check on her, but Eden was gone. The 144 00:07:58,241 --> 00:08:01,241 Speaker 9: family spent the night searching for her. Early the next morning, 145 00:08:01,241 --> 00:08:04,761 Speaker 9: on the eighteenth of February twenty fifteen, Eden was found 146 00:08:04,761 --> 00:08:07,241 Speaker 9: hanging by a rope from a limb of a tall 147 00:08:07,281 --> 00:08:09,121 Speaker 9: tree in a public park on the main road in 148 00:08:09,161 --> 00:08:13,041 Speaker 9: Saint Helen's on the northeast coast of Tasmania. The police 149 00:08:13,041 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 9: claimed Eden's death was suicide, and a Tasmanian coroner agreed, 150 00:08:17,201 --> 00:08:19,521 Speaker 9: But in the days and week that weeks that followed, 151 00:08:19,521 --> 00:08:22,961 Speaker 9: as initial shock faded, Jason and Amanda simply did not 152 00:08:23,041 --> 00:08:25,641 Speaker 9: believe that Eden had taken her own life. She had 153 00:08:25,681 --> 00:08:28,401 Speaker 9: just come back from a holiday of her two sisters 154 00:08:28,681 --> 00:08:31,681 Speaker 9: and was looking forward to a camping weekend. Eden was 155 00:08:31,681 --> 00:08:34,441 Speaker 9: a bright and bubbly fifteen year old. She was doing 156 00:08:34,481 --> 00:08:37,481 Speaker 9: exceptionally well at school, She had a lovely family and 157 00:08:37,601 --> 00:08:40,401 Speaker 9: was looking forward to buying her first car. The coroner 158 00:08:40,441 --> 00:08:43,241 Speaker 9: noted that she was a sensitive person who cared for others. 159 00:08:43,681 --> 00:08:46,241 Speaker 9: I believe, and I'm not alone in this belief that 160 00:08:46,361 --> 00:08:50,841 Speaker 9: something awful happened and that Eden was probably murdered, and disturbingly, 161 00:08:50,921 --> 00:08:53,761 Speaker 9: it appears that some members of the Tasmanian Police have, 162 00:08:53,921 --> 00:08:57,241 Speaker 9: for unknown reasons, covered up the crime. Now, I've always 163 00:08:57,241 --> 00:09:00,961 Speaker 9: been a big supporter of the police, including the Tasmanian Police. 164 00:09:01,161 --> 00:09:04,201 Speaker 9: They must deal with situations that most of us would hate. 165 00:09:04,401 --> 00:09:07,121 Speaker 9: They also often are understaff and many of them lived 166 00:09:07,161 --> 00:09:10,641 Speaker 9: with PTSD. This is not about giving those hard working 167 00:09:10,641 --> 00:09:13,641 Speaker 9: on a Tasmanian place a hard time, but it is 168 00:09:13,721 --> 00:09:15,921 Speaker 9: my concern that there is a small number of rotten 169 00:09:15,921 --> 00:09:19,281 Speaker 9: apples and the Tasmanian Police appear to have engaged in 170 00:09:19,281 --> 00:09:23,201 Speaker 9: a cover up. Eden's parents and family have fortunately ten 171 00:09:23,281 --> 00:09:26,401 Speaker 9: years to have the death of their daughter thoroughly investigated 172 00:09:26,721 --> 00:09:30,121 Speaker 9: and made the subject of a public inquest. The family's 173 00:09:30,161 --> 00:09:34,121 Speaker 9: investigation into Eden's death was assisted by a whistleblower who 174 00:09:34,161 --> 00:09:36,761 Speaker 9: told Dan's mom and dad in early to twenty twenty 175 00:09:36,801 --> 00:09:40,441 Speaker 9: three that her murder was covered up and staged looked 176 00:09:40,481 --> 00:09:43,121 Speaker 9: like a suicide. Now we have a key witness, the 177 00:09:43,201 --> 00:09:45,801 Speaker 9: person said to be the first to report the finding 178 00:09:45,841 --> 00:09:49,801 Speaker 9: of Eden's body to police. Police saying that that she 179 00:09:50,121 --> 00:09:53,961 Speaker 9: straightaway thought this was a murder, stage look to make 180 00:09:54,081 --> 00:09:57,561 Speaker 9: look like suicide. The new witness, Ma. The new witness 181 00:09:57,601 --> 00:09:59,721 Speaker 9: made the front pages of an article in the Mercury 182 00:09:59,801 --> 00:10:03,361 Speaker 9: Oni yesterday. The whistleblower said he had heard that Eden 183 00:10:03,441 --> 00:10:05,961 Speaker 9: had been tied up in a tree with wrote by 184 00:10:06,001 --> 00:10:10,401 Speaker 9: an adult man younger female. The man identified to people 185 00:10:10,401 --> 00:10:15,521 Speaker 9: who he claimed he had he who were involved. It 186 00:10:15,521 --> 00:10:18,441 Speaker 9: looks like there are numerous gaping holes in the police 187 00:10:18,481 --> 00:10:23,641 Speaker 9: investigation and reinvestigation, including the failure to interview criticable witnesses 188 00:10:23,921 --> 00:10:27,561 Speaker 9: and share relevant information with the West Books. The police 189 00:10:27,681 --> 00:10:32,361 Speaker 9: also failed to see cct V footage so a proper 190 00:10:32,401 --> 00:10:35,801 Speaker 9: timeline events prior to the death could be established. The 191 00:10:35,841 --> 00:10:39,001 Speaker 9: police didn't ask Eden's parents for her phone, and it 192 00:10:39,121 --> 00:10:43,081 Speaker 9: seems they didn't examine Eden's phone in social media. Unfortunately, 193 00:10:43,121 --> 00:10:46,921 Speaker 9: the phone was cremated with Eden. They didn't even investigate 194 00:10:47,121 --> 00:10:51,201 Speaker 9: Eden's movements prior to her death. Witness statements obtained by 195 00:10:51,201 --> 00:10:53,881 Speaker 9: the family and a previous lawyer helped fill the gat 196 00:10:53,881 --> 00:10:58,161 Speaker 9: that critical gap. I have seen multiple witness statements taken 197 00:10:58,201 --> 00:11:01,681 Speaker 9: by a criminal barrister that he believes prus beyond reasonable 198 00:11:01,721 --> 00:11:05,001 Speaker 9: doubt that Eden did not commit suicide. There are simply 199 00:11:05,161 --> 00:11:10,321 Speaker 9: too many inconsistencies and far too many unanswered questions. There 200 00:11:10,401 --> 00:11:13,721 Speaker 9: is the possibility, as raised by the new witnesses, as 201 00:11:13,841 --> 00:11:17,601 Speaker 9: reported in Yesterday's Mercury, that Eden's hands may have at 202 00:11:17,641 --> 00:11:20,601 Speaker 9: some stage been tied behind her back, and there is 203 00:11:20,641 --> 00:11:24,681 Speaker 9: an unwillingness to share critical details with the family, including 204 00:11:24,761 --> 00:11:28,721 Speaker 9: vital all taps, all topsy photos, which form an integral 205 00:11:28,841 --> 00:11:32,921 Speaker 9: part of the post modern report. Police failed to seize 206 00:11:33,081 --> 00:11:37,081 Speaker 9: and properly examine cct V footage of the skate park, 207 00:11:37,641 --> 00:11:41,241 Speaker 9: which was said by a now deceased police officer to 208 00:11:41,321 --> 00:11:44,961 Speaker 9: the parents shortly after Eden's death to show Eden arguing 209 00:11:45,041 --> 00:11:47,401 Speaker 9: with an older female in the early hours of the 210 00:11:47,441 --> 00:11:52,481 Speaker 9: eighteenth February twenty fifteen. The investigation into Eden's death was 211 00:11:52,481 --> 00:11:57,041 Speaker 9: conducted by Tasmanian police based Attaint Helens, but with oversight 212 00:11:57,081 --> 00:12:01,081 Speaker 9: and import from a now deceased and alleged pedophile police officer, 213 00:12:01,521 --> 00:12:05,241 Speaker 9: Senior started Paul Reynolds. A constable, a mere com s 214 00:12:05,241 --> 00:12:09,241 Speaker 9: will have primary courage, a new country will have primary 215 00:12:09,961 --> 00:12:13,241 Speaker 9: carriage of the investigation. It also appears that no real 216 00:12:13,281 --> 00:12:18,201 Speaker 9: forensic investor examination or analysis occurred. It seems a hasty 217 00:12:18,281 --> 00:12:20,961 Speaker 9: decision was made to treat what should have been a 218 00:12:21,001 --> 00:12:24,241 Speaker 9: highly suspicious death of a vulnerable title as a suicide. 219 00:12:24,681 --> 00:12:27,761 Speaker 9: This seems to have occurred on day one. According to 220 00:12:27,801 --> 00:12:33,601 Speaker 9: the new Weakness Reynolds. Possible improper or undue influence on 221 00:12:33,881 --> 00:12:38,201 Speaker 9: or possible crime conduct in any investigation is now the 222 00:12:38,241 --> 00:12:41,841 Speaker 9: subject of review commissioned in twenty twenty three by the 223 00:12:41,881 --> 00:12:45,201 Speaker 9: Commissioner of Police, the Wise Report, which is due to 224 00:12:45,241 --> 00:12:49,001 Speaker 9: be released shortly. I understand that Westbrooks have made detail 225 00:12:49,081 --> 00:12:53,081 Speaker 9: submissions to this review. The coroner, who was being advised 226 00:12:53,081 --> 00:12:56,321 Speaker 9: by the late disgrace Paul Reynolds, handed down a three 227 00:12:56,361 --> 00:13:02,401 Speaker 9: page finding without investigation on the thirteenth and September twenty sixteen, 228 00:13:02,881 --> 00:13:05,881 Speaker 9: in which she held that there was no reason to 229 00:13:05,921 --> 00:13:08,881 Speaker 9: hold an inquest. The coroner found that the death of 230 00:13:09,081 --> 00:13:13,241 Speaker 9: Eden Westbrook was a suicide based on several matters, including 231 00:13:13,281 --> 00:13:17,641 Speaker 9: apparent incidents of previous self harm and suicide attempts. The 232 00:13:17,721 --> 00:13:21,081 Speaker 9: coroner found that Eden had died of aphixia and hanging. 233 00:13:21,601 --> 00:13:25,521 Speaker 9: She was satisfied that there were no suspicious circumstances surrounding 234 00:13:25,561 --> 00:13:29,121 Speaker 9: it's death or that any other person was involved. However, 235 00:13:29,561 --> 00:13:32,361 Speaker 9: nowhere in those three pages did the coroner refer to 236 00:13:32,401 --> 00:13:37,041 Speaker 9: a forensic findings that she relied upon to exclude fail 237 00:13:37,121 --> 00:13:43,081 Speaker 9: play and indicates suicide. This included posts modern results, autopsy photos, 238 00:13:43,121 --> 00:13:47,441 Speaker 9: or forensic DNA testing of the rope. For example, on 239 00:13:47,521 --> 00:13:52,561 Speaker 9: the involvement of Reynolds and the coroner stated Senior Sergeant 240 00:13:52,561 --> 00:13:56,201 Speaker 9: Paul Rennam's of the launchest in Coroner's office also provide 241 00:13:56,201 --> 00:14:00,161 Speaker 9: a regular overside and direction during the investigation period. At 242 00:14:00,161 --> 00:14:03,481 Speaker 9: my request to end quote, the coroner stated that she 243 00:14:03,641 --> 00:14:07,161 Speaker 9: was satisfied that she had received all available evidence that 244 00:14:08,081 --> 00:14:13,121 Speaker 9: could recently assist her to determine the relevant matters. In 245 00:14:13,201 --> 00:14:17,041 Speaker 9: the Coroners Act nineteen ninety five, an application by Eden's 246 00:14:17,121 --> 00:14:21,401 Speaker 9: parents to have the matter reopened was refused by the 247 00:14:21,481 --> 00:14:24,881 Speaker 9: Chief Magistrate in Able twenty twenty two. It also appears 248 00:14:24,881 --> 00:14:28,321 Speaker 9: from the evidence of her two older sisters, Justin Hunter, 249 00:14:28,641 --> 00:14:31,681 Speaker 9: who lovingly applied make up to Eden's face at the 250 00:14:31,681 --> 00:14:35,681 Speaker 9: funeral home in twenty fifteen, that Eden had suffered facial 251 00:14:35,721 --> 00:14:39,841 Speaker 9: bruising and shattered teeth. This, of course, could be caused 252 00:14:39,841 --> 00:14:42,481 Speaker 9: as a result of a blunt force trauma to the face. 253 00:14:43,121 --> 00:14:46,121 Speaker 9: If these injuries did exist, why did the Chief Magistrate 254 00:14:46,121 --> 00:14:49,401 Speaker 9: and her written reasons do not reopen the matter state 255 00:14:49,481 --> 00:14:51,761 Speaker 9: that there was no sign of any torment to Eden. 256 00:14:52,281 --> 00:14:55,841 Speaker 9: Despite many requests over many years, and more recent requests 257 00:14:55,921 --> 00:14:59,121 Speaker 9: by Channel nine to have the autopsy photos released to 258 00:14:59,201 --> 00:15:04,041 Speaker 9: an independent forensic pathologist authorized by the parents for analysis, 259 00:15:04,321 --> 00:15:09,401 Speaker 9: the Coroner's has refused to release these photos, essentially on 260 00:15:09,441 --> 00:15:11,881 Speaker 9: the grounds that this case has now closed and it 261 00:15:11,961 --> 00:15:15,361 Speaker 9: was not appropriate for any third party to receive the photos. 262 00:15:15,521 --> 00:15:19,481 Speaker 9: If there was nothing to hide, why not release the photos. 263 00:15:19,881 --> 00:15:22,921 Speaker 9: What is also arowing is that Channel nine's under investigation 264 00:15:23,081 --> 00:15:27,521 Speaker 9: producer was informed earlier this year that the autopsy photos 265 00:15:27,761 --> 00:15:32,241 Speaker 9: were never on the coronal coronial file. Does this mean 266 00:15:32,281 --> 00:15:34,801 Speaker 9: that the coroner and the Chief Magistrate never viewed the 267 00:15:34,801 --> 00:15:39,321 Speaker 9: autopsy photos when Channel nine's under investigation with Liz Hayes, 268 00:15:39,761 --> 00:15:44,561 Speaker 9: asked an independent forensic pathologist to review Eden's case. The 269 00:15:44,601 --> 00:15:48,441 Speaker 9: independent expert theologist told Channel nine and I quote the 270 00:15:48,521 --> 00:15:52,681 Speaker 9: coroner's refusal to provide these photographs has severely fettered my 271 00:15:52,801 --> 00:15:56,201 Speaker 9: review of this matter. And whilst I understand the sensitive 272 00:15:56,281 --> 00:15:59,521 Speaker 9: nature of these photographs, it beggars belief that they have 273 00:15:59,681 --> 00:16:03,161 Speaker 9: not been released from my examination as they compromise an 274 00:16:03,161 --> 00:16:07,641 Speaker 9: integral party of the autopsy poor end quote? Did alleged pedophile? 275 00:16:08,601 --> 00:16:11,601 Speaker 9: Did alleged pedophile? Police? When Paul Reynolds, who was assitting 276 00:16:11,601 --> 00:16:15,041 Speaker 9: in the coroner and oversighting the investigation, remove side on 277 00:16:15,241 --> 00:16:18,841 Speaker 9: or destroy the autopsy photos? What role did he playing 278 00:16:19,441 --> 00:16:23,921 Speaker 9: in the obviously deficient police investigation? How are the parents 279 00:16:23,921 --> 00:16:27,041 Speaker 9: and their legal advisors supposed to determine if they should 280 00:16:27,041 --> 00:16:31,121 Speaker 9: appeal to the Supreme Court for an inquest when critical document, 281 00:16:31,321 --> 00:16:37,321 Speaker 9: documents and images are not released. It also appears from 282 00:16:37,321 --> 00:16:40,921 Speaker 9: the recent Commission of Inquiry and additional advice that there 283 00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:44,881 Speaker 9: was alleged pedophilia activity happening within the Saint Helen's High 284 00:16:44,881 --> 00:16:48,681 Speaker 9: School itself. They are also concerning allegations that they has 285 00:16:48,761 --> 00:16:52,401 Speaker 9: been child abuse perpetrated by members of the Tasmanian Police 286 00:16:52,641 --> 00:16:56,121 Speaker 9: in Saint Helen's around the time of Eden's death. Was 287 00:16:56,161 --> 00:16:59,441 Speaker 9: even somehow caught up in this awful activity? Was she 288 00:16:59,601 --> 00:17:03,081 Speaker 9: being growned or even abused? Was she being bashed and 289 00:17:03,161 --> 00:17:06,401 Speaker 9: tied up before a staged hanging? There have been other 290 00:17:06,481 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 9: suspicious and unsolved murders or disappearances in the north of 291 00:17:10,201 --> 00:17:13,521 Speaker 9: my home state. It is time for the Tasmanian Attorney 292 00:17:13,561 --> 00:17:18,041 Speaker 9: General to intervene has occurred recently in the Jerry Wise 293 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 9: case to ascertain whether systematic issues and corruption are involved 294 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,801 Speaker 9: and direct that an inquest to be held as provided 295 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 9: in the Tasmanian Coroners Act. The Commission of Police also 296 00:17:31,281 --> 00:17:36,321 Speaker 9: failed to ensure a proper review and reinvestigate a reinvestigation 297 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,121 Speaker 9: of the matter. When the rect Books made formal complaints, 298 00:17:39,481 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 9: the outcome of a recent review was not shared with them. 299 00:17:42,801 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 9: This whole thing stinks to high heaven. I believe this 300 00:17:45,721 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 9: case needs an urgent public inquest hewed by respected interstate 301 00:17:50,481 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 9: judge or Karen of Coroner and with independent counsel assisting 302 00:17:54,441 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 9: from interstate as soon as possible. How could Paul Reynolds 303 00:17:58,321 --> 00:18:01,801 Speaker 9: have operated as he did for decades, as reported by 304 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,001 Speaker 9: Reginia Wise in her twenty twenty four interim rear, Why 305 00:18:06,241 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 9: was a full police funeral with a police guard of 306 00:18:09,241 --> 00:18:12,561 Speaker 9: honor health for him, with clear knowledge of his misconduct, 307 00:18:12,961 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 9: with a glowing ology from the then police commissioner. You 308 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,521 Speaker 9: only need to look at the way in which the 309 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 9: recent Commission of Inquiry into Tasmania in Tasmania into child 310 00:18:25,001 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 9: sexual abuse is in government institutions was prevented from making 311 00:18:29,681 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 9: adverse findings, all findings of misconduct and therefore holding people, 312 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,641 Speaker 9: both offenders and nables to account. There must be an 313 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 9: independent commission of inquiry, underpinned by appropriate, appropriately and mental 314 00:18:44,281 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 9: legislation by a highly respected interstate judge or judges, into 315 00:18:48,921 --> 00:18:53,881 Speaker 9: the integrity, impartiality, the competence and the effectiveness of Tasmanian 316 00:18:53,921 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 9: police and the coronal and criminal justice system in Tasmania. 317 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,881 Speaker 9: The possible murder of a young girl on what appears 318 00:19:02,921 --> 00:19:06,801 Speaker 9: to be a botched investigation potentially a blatant coverer, should 319 00:19:06,801 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 9: been enormous concerns to all Tasmanians. I call upon the 320 00:19:11,321 --> 00:19:16,001 Speaker 9: Attorney General in Tasmania to direct that a public in 321 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:20,601 Speaker 9: quest to Eden's death by an independent and external Coroner 322 00:19:20,721 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 9: be held pursued to Section twenty four to one d 323 00:19:24,241 --> 00:19:28,801 Speaker 9: of the Tasmanian Coroners at nineteen ninety five. The Westbook 324 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 9: five family has been fighting for answers for NELLI ten years. 325 00:19:33,001 --> 00:19:36,761 Speaker 9: It is time. It is time the Tasmanian State government 326 00:19:37,201 --> 00:19:40,561 Speaker 9: done its job and found out the truth behind what 327 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:47,001 Speaker 9: has happened in Saint Helen's. 328 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 2: How did that make you feel? 329 00:19:46,441 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, so empowered? She got everything on records. 330 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 8: Jason and I were just like in absolute poor and 331 00:19:57,360 --> 00:20:02,481 Speaker 8: gratitude of everything that came together on that evening. And 332 00:20:02,921 --> 00:20:07,601 Speaker 8: it was done by a huge amount of homework research, 333 00:20:08,561 --> 00:20:15,121 Speaker 8: support by Channel nine under investigation with Jay Bodshape Yourself, 334 00:20:15,561 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 8: the community and the Wilson the Mercury. 335 00:20:19,321 --> 00:20:23,121 Speaker 2: Jackie's speech in Parliament caused a flurry of media attention, 336 00:20:23,481 --> 00:20:27,561 Speaker 2: including the journalist but the Hobart Mercury Aber Wilson writing 337 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: about it on the front page for three days straight. 338 00:20:30,521 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 2: I wanted to know from Amber, who has some experience 339 00:20:32,961 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: in this type of thing, about what traditionally happens when 340 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 2: something like this a politician raises something in the Senate. 341 00:20:39,681 --> 00:20:43,201 Speaker 5: I suppose one of the things about Jackie Lamby speaking 342 00:20:43,521 --> 00:20:46,201 Speaker 5: in the Senate is that all. 343 00:20:46,041 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 10: Of her words were covered under parliamentary privilege, which means 344 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 10: they can pretty much say whatever they want without that 345 00:20:54,281 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 10: leading to legal consequences like defamation. 346 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 5: When something like that is reported or a speech is 347 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:03,681 Speaker 5: given in parliament, a journalist then has what is called 348 00:21:03,921 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 5: qualified privilege, so we can report on a lot of 349 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 5: what is said in parliament or in court because of 350 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 5: these types of legal situation that absolves a person from 351 00:21:17,801 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 5: having legal consequences, particularly consequences like defamation or contempt of courts. 352 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,521 Speaker 2: And in your line of work and in our line 353 00:21:26,521 --> 00:21:28,641 Speaker 2: of work, that's really important, right. 354 00:21:28,761 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 5: That's super important because we can't just go and report 355 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 5: allegations like that there are sex offenders in Tasmani police 356 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,761 Speaker 5: in certain parts of the state, or there are sex 357 00:21:38,801 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 5: offenders in certain public schools, because we're at risk of 358 00:21:42,281 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 5: defamation sous if we do that. 359 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,201 Speaker 2: We also saw that the in Westbrook case also got 360 00:21:48,321 --> 00:21:51,561 Speaker 2: raised locally last week or a few weeks ago in cabinet. 361 00:21:52,001 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 2: So and that was one of Jackie Lamby's party that 362 00:21:55,041 --> 00:21:56,201 Speaker 2: raised that, correct. 363 00:21:55,961 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 5: That's right. So Andrew Jennery is a new member of 364 00:21:58,481 --> 00:22:04,041 Speaker 5: what we call the Lamby's. So he asked our Attorney General, 365 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 5: Guy Barnett, if he would use his powers under the 366 00:22:08,201 --> 00:22:11,241 Speaker 5: Act and intervene and order an inquest into the Eden case, 367 00:22:11,961 --> 00:22:14,721 Speaker 5: similar to what we saw in the case of Jari Wise, 368 00:22:14,761 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 5: which I think you have been discussing with your listeners. 369 00:22:18,921 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 5: That question was asked a few weeks ago and the 370 00:22:21,481 --> 00:22:23,201 Speaker 5: Attenney General took it on notice. 371 00:22:23,481 --> 00:22:25,801 Speaker 2: So taking on notice means what It. 372 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 5: Means that the Attorney General might not have had the 373 00:22:29,241 --> 00:22:31,561 Speaker 5: answer at the time and so needed to go and 374 00:22:31,561 --> 00:22:35,841 Speaker 5: consult with his lawyers and advisors before coming back on 375 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 5: as So typically an answer for questions given on notice 376 00:22:40,561 --> 00:22:43,001 Speaker 5: will come back and be given at the end of 377 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,001 Speaker 5: question time that day or perhaps the following day or 378 00:22:47,001 --> 00:22:49,521 Speaker 5: within the next few weeks. 379 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 4: Guy Barnett I truly believed that he was sincerely. He 380 00:22:54,721 --> 00:22:58,321 Speaker 4: ampavises for us and he feels for us in his 381 00:22:59,001 --> 00:23:01,801 Speaker 4: response when he stood up on the floor. We were 382 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,001 Speaker 4: pretty happy with the question. We're happy with these sorts 383 00:23:05,041 --> 00:23:08,681 Speaker 4: sponsor his sincerity. Guy Barnett, he said he would look 384 00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 4: into it, and we now know that he's made a response. 385 00:23:13,761 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: So up until now we all had a little bit 386 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,521 Speaker 2: of hope the Attorney General had said that he would 387 00:23:18,521 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 2: take the case on notice. That was until about a 388 00:23:22,281 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: day later when Amber Wilson from the Mercury made contact 389 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: with them to find out how that was progressing, and 390 00:23:29,201 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 2: it wasn't good news. 391 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,801 Speaker 5: So my question the Attorney General wasn't after Andrew Jenner's 392 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 5: question in Parliament. My question to the Attorney General came 393 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 5: after Jackie Lamby gave her speech in Parliament. And I 394 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,801 Speaker 5: had actually asked him the same question on a previous occasion, 395 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:50,801 Speaker 5: but on this occasion, with Jackie Lamby asking in Parliament, 396 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:53,041 Speaker 5: felt a little bit more impetus for him to answer 397 00:23:53,041 --> 00:23:56,281 Speaker 5: that question directly. And what he said to me via 398 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 5: a government spokesperson, so this didn't come from mister Barnett himself, 399 00:23:59,961 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 5: from one of his advisors was that he didn't have 400 00:24:03,681 --> 00:24:09,761 Speaker 5: powers to intervene in Eden's case and order an inquest 401 00:24:09,921 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 5: be reopened. And I think that we've been talking a 402 00:24:13,241 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 5: bit about the Jari Wis case and how that differed. 403 00:24:16,761 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 5: In the Jari Wise case. His mother had did his 404 00:24:19,681 --> 00:24:21,921 Speaker 5: mother faith to Carlo had been campaigning for some time 405 00:24:22,681 --> 00:24:26,801 Speaker 5: for an inquest. So the investigation the case of Jarry 406 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 5: Wise's death had been reported to the coroner, and the 407 00:24:31,241 --> 00:24:36,561 Speaker 5: coroner had begun investigating. There was no form of ding's 408 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 5: handed down and an inquest hadn't been held and a 409 00:24:41,561 --> 00:24:45,881 Speaker 5: death investigation hadn't been completed. So the case was what 410 00:24:45,921 --> 00:24:49,521 Speaker 5: they would call open still. Because the case was open still, 411 00:24:50,561 --> 00:24:55,041 Speaker 5: faith to carlak Jarry's mum was able to appeal the 412 00:24:55,120 --> 00:25:00,881 Speaker 5: kindest decision not to hold an inquest to the Supreme Court. Now, 413 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,801 Speaker 5: the Supreme Court did actually uphold the kind of decision 414 00:25:04,801 --> 00:25:07,961 Speaker 5: not to an inquest, and that's when our former Attorney 415 00:25:08,041 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 5: General at least Archer intervened, and that was an extraordinary intervention. 416 00:25:13,441 --> 00:25:17,001 Speaker 5: It was the first time in Tasmani's two hundred years 417 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 5: since colonization that that's happened. So this was highly unusual, 418 00:25:22,201 --> 00:25:26,401 Speaker 5: never ever happened before. Now in the Eden case, now, 419 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 5: this is what the Attorney General's Office has told me, 420 00:25:29,561 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 5: was that because the findings had been handed down, the 421 00:25:32,961 --> 00:25:37,241 Speaker 5: case is now closed, so it's not subject to an appeal. 422 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 5: And that means that because it's not been before a 423 00:25:42,241 --> 00:25:48,321 Speaker 5: court and it's not open still, the current Attorney General 424 00:25:48,721 --> 00:25:55,281 Speaker 5: can't use his powers underneath the Coroner's Act to intervene. Now, 425 00:25:55,281 --> 00:25:59,441 Speaker 5: this is a really interesting thing because since then I've 426 00:25:59,481 --> 00:26:03,761 Speaker 5: been conslated by various lawyers and people and advocates who've 427 00:26:03,801 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 5: said that this is all just an interpretation of the 428 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 5: Coroner's Act and that if you look at the wordings differently, 429 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,801 Speaker 5: or for judge interprets it this way, then it wouldn't 430 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,441 Speaker 5: matter that that has been findings handed down in Eden's case, 431 00:26:18,521 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 5: because there hasn't been an actual inquest. But the thing is, 432 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,041 Speaker 5: until we can get Eden's case to a court, any 433 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,121 Speaker 5: kind of court, that kind of argument can't be thrashed out. 434 00:26:30,961 --> 00:26:33,321 Speaker 5: So the avenue that's open to the Westbrooks at the 435 00:26:33,321 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 5: moment from a legal viewpoint, and also just a bit 436 00:26:36,521 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 5: of this claim here that I'm not a lawyer, so 437 00:26:38,681 --> 00:26:41,321 Speaker 5: I can't be getting any legal advice. This is just 438 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 5: what it is. On the face of things. The avenue 439 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 5: would be to return to the coroner or to the 440 00:26:47,521 --> 00:26:51,001 Speaker 5: Chief Magistrate, Catherine Geeson. They're the two people that have 441 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:54,321 Speaker 5: the power to open an inquest into Edan's case. 442 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,441 Speaker 2: Currently, Eden's been on the front page to the Mercury 443 00:26:58,481 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: now for a bunch of days, right, there was a 444 00:27:02,041 --> 00:27:04,321 Speaker 2: lot of developments in the last sort of seven to 445 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:07,761 Speaker 2: ten days how's the feeling or what's the feeling that 446 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,681 Speaker 2: you're getting in Tasmania right now. 447 00:27:10,041 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 5: I think that there is definitely a ground swell of 448 00:27:14,281 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 5: people really taking notice of Eden's case and really starting 449 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 5: to worry about the processes that have been followed or 450 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 5: not followed in Eden's case, and whether or not people 451 00:27:27,441 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 5: believe that foul pay was involved. I think that people 452 00:27:30,001 --> 00:27:32,761 Speaker 5: are really sohy on board with the fact that all 453 00:27:32,801 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 5: of the property undue processes haven't been followed in this 454 00:27:36,001 --> 00:27:40,761 Speaker 5: case is and that's alarming for a number of reasons, 455 00:27:41,241 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 5: because it could have meant that a young girl was 456 00:27:43,801 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 5: murdered and no one has ever faced justice for that. 457 00:27:46,681 --> 00:27:49,321 Speaker 2: What's been the most surprising thing that you've learned over 458 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,041 Speaker 2: the last few weeks in your reporting and investigations. 459 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:55,761 Speaker 5: I think when the woman called me last week, the 460 00:27:55,801 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 5: woman who found Eden's body, who I think he did 461 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,441 Speaker 5: speak to as well, I found a lot of her 462 00:28:01,481 --> 00:28:05,041 Speaker 5: observations that she made while she was sitting with edith 463 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,681 Speaker 5: really really jamming and really really insightful. So a lot 464 00:28:10,681 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 5: of those observations about the way that Eden's body was 465 00:28:13,961 --> 00:28:17,281 Speaker 5: physicians or things were happening with Eden's body, or the 466 00:28:17,321 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 5: way that the rope was placed around her neck seemed 467 00:28:21,241 --> 00:28:26,481 Speaker 5: to really sit in alignment with what Jason and Amanda 468 00:28:26,561 --> 00:28:30,361 Speaker 5: has noticed when they first saw Eden the real many think, 469 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,801 Speaker 5: oh gosh, this really is a case that needs to 470 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,401 Speaker 5: be reinvestigated. 471 00:28:37,921 --> 00:28:40,041 Speaker 2: In the next episode of Our Little Lady. 472 00:28:40,601 --> 00:28:44,921 Speaker 10: This is the most prolific grooming I have seen perpetrated 473 00:28:45,201 --> 00:28:47,921 Speaker 10: by one person in my career. 474 00:28:48,001 --> 00:28:51,441 Speaker 2: The independent review into Paul Reynolds has now been completed. 475 00:28:51,681 --> 00:28:55,921 Speaker 7: Fifteen victim survivors took part in the review, which determined 476 00:28:55,961 --> 00:28:59,641 Speaker 7: that Reynolds groomed at least fifty two boys and young men. 477 00:29:00,001 --> 00:29:04,961 Speaker 5: I feel very disappointed. Yeah, it's my job to make 478 00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:05,481 Speaker 5: is right.