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Speaker 1: The public has had a long held fascination with detectives.

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Speaker 1: Detective see a side of life the average persons never

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Speaker 1: exposed her. I spent thirty four years as a cop.

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Speaker 1: For twenty five of those years I was catching killers.

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Speaker 1: That's what I did for a living. I was a

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Speaker 1: homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated.

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Speaker 1: The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories

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Speaker 1: from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw

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Speaker 1: and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some

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Speaker 1: of the content and language might be confronting. That's because

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Speaker 1: no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged.

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Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world. Today,

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Speaker 1: I spoke to Nicki Justice. It was a fun and

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Speaker 1: enlightening chat. Nicki's a stand up comedian, but that's just

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Speaker 1: a small part of her story. Nicki has had an

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Speaker 1: interesting childhood. Her father who made a living as a

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Speaker 1: drug dealer. Then at sixteen, she joined the circus, traveling

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Speaker 1: the country of a family and working and performing for

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Speaker 1: the Stardust Circus. After leaving the circus, she started making

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Speaker 1: a living working in the minds. Then she got into

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Speaker 1: drugs and decided stripping might be more profitable. That's when

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Speaker 1: she met a former husband and father of children who

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Speaker 1: just so happened to be a biky. Then she turned

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Speaker 1: the hand to a taboo artist before trying stand up comedy. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: NICKI and I have got a lot to talk about,

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Speaker 1: Nicki Justice, Welcome to I Catch Killers.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've had a whole range of guests on I

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Speaker 1: Catch Killers. I've had the bad guys, the good guys,

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Speaker 1: the solicitors, all sorts of people, and they have been

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Speaker 1: easier to describe than describing your life. You've certainly lived

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Speaker 1: a full life, so I might try it over to you.

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Speaker 1: How would you describe Nicki Justice?

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Yeah, it's been a lot. Yeah, I feel

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Speaker 2: like I've got I've lived many lifetimes, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: even forty yet, so there's still still a lot more

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Speaker 2: there's definitely it's like different different seasons of my life,

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Speaker 2: and there's been some interesting chapters. The circus was probably

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Speaker 1: Not many people you hear a lot of people say

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Speaker 1: they've run off with the circus. But yeah, or they

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Speaker 1: want to run off with the circus, so they should

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Speaker 1: have run off with the circus. Not many people actually

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Speaker 1: do it, so I'll be interested to speak to you

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Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, but whole range of different careers you work.

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Speaker 2: In the mind, I've done so many. I've like, if

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Speaker 2: I had tried to write more down, there be so many,

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Speaker 2: because I've worked in mining and construction and I actually

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Speaker 2: used to be a project manager. I've been a logistics

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Speaker 2: manager in fashion. I've been a photographer, a makeup artist.

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Speaker 2: I've worked in like my first jobs for like in

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Speaker 2: super markets, the circus, tatoo artist. I've done so many

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Speaker 2: jobs and stripper stripper was one of them. And now

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a whole whole range of things, so there's

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Speaker 1: plenty to talk about. We're not going to run out

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Speaker 1: of topics. And you also, you're married to a bikey.

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Speaker 2: For yes, I was. That was another chapter.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well we've had we've had a lot of bikes

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Speaker 1: I think that that'll be some interesting, interesting chats just

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Speaker 1: on the on the bikey aspect. I when I sit

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Speaker 1: I quite often say, well, yeah, when you join, you

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Speaker 1: quite often that that play plays out. Yeah, as a wife,

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Speaker 1: did you have those concerns?

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Speaker 2: Definitely, because it's like it's like it's a common thing

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Speaker 2: so fortunately for me, mine wasn't while I was with him.

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Speaker 2: He's been in jail before we met. But yeah, like

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Speaker 1: That would have Yeah, so there was a commitment there.

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Speaker 1: So eight years you're with him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, married for a and probably together for ten.

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Speaker 1: Okay, where did you meet?

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Speaker 2: So we actually met at his biking clubhouse. So they

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Speaker 2: I was quite new to it, and I got asked

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Speaker 1: I think love it love at first sight?

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Speaker 2: Was it in hindsight? I wouldn't say it was like

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Speaker 2: I was twenty two or twenty three when I met him.

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Speaker 2: He was in his early thirties. But it's funny because

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Speaker 2: like most like my parents, my mum had some reservations

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Speaker 2: be like, it'd be pretty bad if their daughter ends

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Speaker 2: little bit off the rails. Myself before I met him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well that's your poor your poor parents. Glad she's

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Speaker 1: hooked up with a bikey. Yeah, he'll keep they were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't say poor parents that I

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well we've jumped ahead because I want to

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Speaker 1: a little bit about yourself and your childhood. Where'd you

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Speaker 2: So it's never a straightforward Westent grew up, I would say, wa,

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Speaker 2: I had like most of my like my high school

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Speaker 1: So that would have been a bit of a transient

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Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, So we moved a lot, and I

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Speaker 2: I think we Canada. It was seven primary schools and

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Speaker 2: four high schools, but the coastal towns, like the earlier

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Speaker 2: I love being by the sea, and I've got some

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Speaker 1: What's it like going through that many schools? But like

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Speaker 2: I think I think you sort of just get used

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Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't really have like I've seen. I

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Speaker 2: I never was there long to maintain a long term friendship.

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Speaker 1: But found it easier to make friends like drop drop

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Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I always kind of made

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Speaker 1: Now, besides cray fishing, your dad had another occupation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I believe this was also from quite early on.

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Speaker 1: In my just we cover this. We're not going to

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Speaker 2: He's dead, so he can't get into any trouble.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry about it, lord, Yeah, no, no, no. So

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Speaker 2: he was a drug dealer for most of my life.

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Speaker 2: he used to do, like the whole he had, the

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Speaker 2: whole hydropolg We had a secret garden in our backyard

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Speaker 2: that we used to like, I don't think we're meant

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Speaker 1: Except let's pull that back because I can imagine you

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Speaker 2: Open the Yeah, and we absolutely did.

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Speaker 1: Dad's secret garden down the back is that how it

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Speaker 2: Well, we knew it was a secret garden because we

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Speaker 2: door that opened to reveal a whole bunch of tomato

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Speaker 2: and there was all this like heavy lighting on the

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Speaker 1: That would have been like you'd be a moth to

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Speaker 2: Oh, it was, so it was. It was honestly so exciting.

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Speaker 2: I remember. I remember the feeling of like sneaking my

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're making life health for your health your parents.

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Speaker 1: To make do what you can do. I hope you

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Speaker 2: I did convince him once to give me an ounce

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Speaker 1: You ripped off your father a drug deal? Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: like it's you know, I had a father that slapped

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't say. He was the one who, like

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Speaker 2: I definite already tried it before I did it with him,

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Speaker 1: Well, I suppose, like drinking, some people's idea of well

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well I had friends that would

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Speaker 2: not saying it was a better way of but.

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Speaker 1: No, but it's a different way, and it's a consideration,

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Speaker 1: like you see that, Okay, that was the life. Drug dealing,

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Speaker 1: Okay, well I've never yeah, I never thought they'd get

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Speaker 2: Carnie is a thing, But there's actually a difference between

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Speaker 2: Carnies are the carnival people. So people travel around and

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Speaker 2: and they are different. Yes, there, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be offensive. I don't know if any carnie's listening to

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Speaker 2: They look like it anyway, carnival. Yeah, it was very

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing what you're saying because Carnee is often said

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Speaker 2: People when you meet them you kind of understand why

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well.

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Speaker 2: Because those rides rely on making sure the maintenance is

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Speaker 1: Okay, well it's there's regulations and I'm sure for carnival

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Speaker 1: big thing. All the kids, let's go to the circus.

438
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 1: What it was Stardust circus with so they got the

439
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 1: animals and that.

440
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 2: Yep. So this was going back to I think it

441
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,120
Speaker 2: was two thousand when we joined, and so back then

442
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,919
Speaker 2: they still had a lot of animals. So there was

443
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 2: an elephant called Anna who is ended up getting re

444
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 2: homed at the Double Zoo. And there was monkeys. I

445
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 2: loved the monkeys. Monkeys are very cute. There was like

446
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 2: five monkeys. They had ponies. They also had lions, a

447
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 2: few lions. There was at one point they ended up

448
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 2: getting some new new lines. So they already had the

449
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,679
Speaker 2: adult lines, and they ended up getting a bunch of

450
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 2: lion cubs so we got to like hand raise these

451
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 2: little line How cool that was? That was like in hindsight,

452
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 2: knowing what you know. I was only younger, so I

453
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 2: don't actually agree with animals in captivity like that now,

454
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 2: but at the time, I didn't, you know, I was young.

455
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 2: I didn't really know.

456
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 1: No one really appreciated that.

457
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 2: We used to get protesters come to the surface of

458
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 2: the animal rights protesters would come and then at first,

459
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 2: because like obviously the circus people hated the protesters, they'd

460
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 2: be like, oh, here we go again. But then I

461
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 2: remember reading one of the fliers and I remember starting

462
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 2: to think about it, and I was like, I think

463
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 2: they've got a boy. Yeah, the cubs were gorgeous.

464
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it was Stardus, but it was

465
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 1: a circus that came to town round Galston set up

466
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: on the oval where I'd take my dog for a run.

467
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 1: It was a cattle dog, and the dog would offully,

468
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: just running around the circus set up. And he ran

469
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 1: up to where the circus was and smelt something from

470
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 1: the lion's cage. Walked up there. I've never seen the

471
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: dog shit himself, might just sniffing around, looked up and

472
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: this Lin's just staring at him, just yelping, and took off.

473
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: But that would have been a bit of fun. You

474
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: were fifteen sixteen.

475
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was fifteen. We joined and I was

476
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 2: still there when I turned sixteen. While I was there

477
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 2: and left a little.

478
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 1: While after, and what what was your role?

479
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: Ah? So my role every day wasn't as glamorous as

480
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: it might well not that, and I don't think you

481
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 2: were thinking it sound of glamorous anyway. But so I

482
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: shoveled elephant shit every single morning. So there was there

483
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: was girls and boys jobs, so every morning didn't matter

484
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: who you were or what. So there was because there

485
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: was the family, and then there was performers, and then

486
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 2: there was like laborers and it didn't matter which one

487
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 2: you were. You the girls picked up the poop and

488
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 2: the boys had like other jobs. So every morning you

489
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: had to pick up animal crap. And you were always

490
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: hungover as well. So we used to party almost every

491
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: night or not. You know, you'd have a couple of

492
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: days off here and there, but we drank a lot,

493
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 2: and so you'd always be picking up shit in the

494
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 2: morning with the worst hangover. It was disgusting.

495
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: So the day, the day to day life on the road.

496
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: So you literally you see him come into town. Yeah,

497
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 1: settle all up. So it looks like a lot of

498
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: work was set up performance, yeah, and then it's pack

499
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: up and yeah.

500
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: So sometimes in a bigger town you would stay for

501
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: a week or sometimes even two. But in smaller towns

502
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 2: so we did, we do what we'd call one nighters.

503
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: So you'd drive to a town, set up and do

504
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 2: the show, and then that night you would pack down

505
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 2: the tent that night, and then in the morning you

506
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: do a clean up and then everyone be on the

507
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 2: road to do it all again that night at another town.

508
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: Long days hard, yeah, yeah, so there was a lot

509
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: of there was. We did a lot of one nighters

510
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: in Wa because Wa so big, lots of small town

511
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: so we covered a lot because I was with the

512
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: circus for almost I want to say almost a year,

513
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: but I think a lot of that was in w A.

514
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how long we were there for,

515
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 2: but yeah, we did a lot of one nighters. And

516
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: then when we were at when we were somewhere like

517
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: for longer. It was good because that was when we

518
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: actually got to So I was besides like cleaning up

519
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 2: Elephant Pooh, and I used to help in the canteen

520
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: and look after the kids. But I was also a

521
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: training acrobat, so I was I was trying to learn

522
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: the trapeze and I almost got there, but I couldn't.

523
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 2: I never ended up getting I used to have this

524
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: little in air fit on my way back to the bar,

525
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: so you'd get you there's so many different parts of

526
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: going on the trapeze and each learning each part is terrifying.

527
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 2: So the first part you have to learn is to

528
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 2: actually leave the So you're standing up really high obviously

529
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: on this platform, and then there's a bar there that

530
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: you have to grab, and there's a moment where you

531
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: grab the bar and then for a few seconds when

532
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 2: you're pulling it towards you, you're not holding on to anything.

533
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: That's it's terrifying. So that's the first hurdle you have

534
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: to get over, and then you learn that part, and

535
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: then you go for a swing and then and then

536
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: the next part after learning how to do the swing,

537
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: is to then get caught. And then after you get caught,

538
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 2: you got to learn how to get thrown back to

539
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: the bar. And that was the part that I never nailed.

540
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,479
Speaker 2: Every time I would get thrown back to the bar,

541
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: like have a little fit.

542
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: I can understand. And that's of the catching nets underneath.

543
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it's really because because you can see

544
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: through the net, it's even though you know it's there,

545
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: it really your brain is feeling like you're going to

546
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: go splat, but you don't. But that was actually really fun,

547
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: like once you once you got over the initial fear,

548
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: it started to become fun. But yeah, we didn't actually

549
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 2: get to do that often because we were moving so much.

550
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: And I was also learning to do a da gio act,

551
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: which is where you get a muscleman throws you around

552
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 2: in the air for doing tricks just like handstands or

553
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 2: holding you in certain positions and stuff and flipping you around.

554
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: Because there was a like crabat there that was pregnant,

555
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: so I was being trained to replace.

556
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: Okay, and that's everyone that travels with the circus is

557
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: working or got some something.

558
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, most people, most people there's so you have. There

559
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: was a few international acts that would come over to

560
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: join the circus just as performers, but everyone else that

561
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: would join genuinely would join as a corral laborer and

562
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 2: then they'd start learning, they'd learn an act, and then

563
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: most people ended up doing something in the.

564
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: Show, doing something. Yeah, okay, your brother he became a clown.

565
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: Yes, my brother started clowning brother. Yeah, so he was

566
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: only like thirteen and he became a clown. And because

567
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: he was always in full clown, so I don't think

568
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: people realized he was thirteen. So like we'd be like

569
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 2: hanging out afterwards drinking and someone some girl would be like,

570
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: who's the little one. I'd like, stay away from him.

571
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: He's too young, a year old picking up women in

572
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: the clown sit? Okay, what so the characters experience there's

573
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: any funny stories or things that?

574
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: So many, so many, it was insane. There was this

575
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: man there I can't even remember his name, but he

576
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: was really he was really cagey about who he was

577
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: and where he was from in his past. And I

578
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: think I think some people probably would have joined the transit,

579
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: you know, the circus for that transient liafetele because they're

580
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: unning for something. Because there was this one guy in particularly,

581
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 2: we always used to think he's done something, like he's

582
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 2: on the run from something, because he was just really

583
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: really shut down when you try and ask him about

584
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: his past or where he is from.

585
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: A lot of mystery. There isn't run away to the

586
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: French Foreign Legion or run away to the circus. Yeah,

587
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: how did that come to come to an end.

588
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: So my parents left first. They left and my siblings

589
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 2: left about maybe eight months into it, and by then

590
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 2: we traveled all the way up to North Queensland. And

591
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: so my mum actually got into a fight, like a

592
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: punch up. They got into like a scrap and so

593
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: I don't even remember. I remember watching it. I was

594
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: standing there. I was there, and I think I think

595
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: she was having an argument and I don't remember exactly

596
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: what it was about, but I don't know. It just

597
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: it just happened. They were punching on and they were

598
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: both strong women, they were both fit, they were both strong,

599
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 2: so I think I think they gave each other a

600
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: good crack and then so that was it. Immediately, obviously

601
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: my family was leaving, but I decided to stay because

602
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 2: at the time I just turned sixteen, which meant legally

603
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 2: I was allowed to move out of.

604
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: Home travel with a circus.

605
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't really get along very well with

606
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: my mum at that time, so I was like, oh, yeah,

607
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: I decided to stay. And they left and then I

608
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: was there for a few months by myself. But I

609
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: actually it wasn't a good environment and I ended up

610
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: I was struggling with my mental health and I ended

611
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: up so I attempted to take my life, but it

612
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: didn't work. I have jokes about this as well, because

613
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: nothing's off limits. And then it was after that that

614
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: I was like when I survived, I spoke to my

615
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: sister back home and decided to leave because I was

616
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: quite unhappy. So I moved back to Perth by myself

617
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: or with my sister. My sister and I lived together.

618
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: You're struggling with mental health, but yeah, I tried to

619
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: take your own life. What things must have been pretty

620
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: grim for or what.

621
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: I think before we even enjoyed the circus, I was

622
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: already quite unhappy. I think, you know, that discovery of

623
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: your parents being not who they you know, not what

624
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: you thought they were, and I was still quite I

625
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: think I was quite angry and upset at my parents,

626
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: but also you know, my friend having passed away. I

627
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: don't know. I just my teenage years was quite. I was.

628
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: I struggled a lot with my mental health in my teens,

629
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: and I used to self harm and stuff. Before emos

630
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: were in old.

631
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: You weren't.

632
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: It wasn't a trend. Yeah, but yeah, I don't even

633
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: know exactly why I was so unhappy. But yeah, I

634
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: think it was a combination of yeah, my the things

635
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: my parents were doing, and feeling like I think because

636
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: things like I gloss over my childhood a lot, especially

637
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: because I have a show to talk about my childhood,

638
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: I gloss over things. But there were definitely periods where

639
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: it wasn't good, and uh, yeah, I think that obviously

640
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: impacted me a bit, and and my parents being they

641
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: were not happy either, So there was a lot of

642
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: it was quite a volatile home sometimes yeah, yeah.

643
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: Okay, well it's not it's yeah, we're lucky if we

644
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: grow up in an environment where you got the care

645
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: and not the volatile type of situations you had. And yeah,

646
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 1: you have an expectation that your dad's not dealing drugs

647
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: and different things.

648
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, look, I don't think I cared as much

649
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: about the dealing.

650
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: It was the taking, Okay, on that, like, there would

651
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: have been times when they yeah, you would have had

652
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: to look after them because they're.

653
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, or more so just look after ourselves, because there

654
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: was definitely periods where they took too much and they

655
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: would you know, have venders and not coming out of

656
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 2: their room for days and then when they did come

657
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: out of the room, they'd be coming down, so they'd

658
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: been grumpy. So yeah, there was there was definitely a

659
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: period of time where we kind of just looked after ourselves.

660
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: And did you share that with your siblings, your sister

661
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: and your.

662
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: Brother, probably more so me and my sister. My sister,

663
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: her version of events is that she looked after us,

664
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: which maybe she was a little bit older, so she

665
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: you know, she probably I think as siblings often experience

666
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: childhood differently to each other. Like I've spoken, you know,

667
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: as I got old, us had chats with my brother

668
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: and you know, learned things from him and his perspective

669
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: that I never considered. By the time he was going

670
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: you know, through his teenage years, and my sister had left,

671
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: so he was on his own with my parents. But

672
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: by then they'd you know, joined the circus and then

673
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: they left the circus. But then so, yeah, he had

674
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: his own, he had his own experiences of childhood without us.

675
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: Yeah as well, makes sense. Yeah, okay, well you've you've

676
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: left the circus, you're going through some turmoil, gone back

677
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: to Western Australia. Yeah, okay, what where did the Nikki's

678
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: Excellent Adventure gave from me, so.

679
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: Me and my sister got a house together. So we

680
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: were sixteen and eighteen, and we managed to get a

681
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: little rental ourselves right near my right up the road

682
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: from my nana's house, because we moved in with my

683
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: nana at first, and then my sister, so she didn't

684
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: plan this, so we I think it might have been.

685
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: I think we both when I left the circus because

686
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: we're in Queensland. When I decided to leave, my sister

687
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: flew over and she was going to fly back with me,

688
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: and we just ided to go and visit mom and

689
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: dad and then you because they had settled down in

690
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: this town, beautiful little rain for ust town, and so

691
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: we were visiting them there before we flew back to

692
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: Perth and we've moved in together, and then she suddenly

693
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: found out she's pregnant at about I think she was

694
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: like two months into it. And I said, I will

695
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: help you raise a baby, and I'll be the dad

696
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: like I said I would I would, you know, I'll

697
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: go to work, I'll bring home the income. So we've

698
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: got a house together, and I got a job and

699
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: I was earning like seven dollars an hour or something

700
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: at a sleepermarket.

701
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at my introduction. Had I didn't say

702
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: that you also became a young father?

703
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

704
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: Okay?

705
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: And then but then I we had a falling out.

706
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: So so my sister ended up moving back to Queensland

707
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: and she ended up getting with the guy who fathered

708
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: the baby and they ended up having another baby. So

709
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: my sister moved back, I don't know just before, so

710
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: I think that only lasted maybe seven or eight months

711
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: because she moved back just before she had the baby,

712
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: so she was like ready to pop and she moved back.

713
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: We were still getting along, but we'd fallen out over

714
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: me having a much older boyfriend that she didn't approve of,

715
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: which fair enough at the time, I thought she was

716
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: just you know, being judgmental. How were you and I

717
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: would have been sixteen seventeen and he was like almost thirty.

718
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: Big life difference.

719
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but AMA's materna for my age.

720
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: Look at your life choices.

721
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: So she moved back, and then what did I do?

722
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: Then?

723
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: I would have been so I was working a supermarket

724
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: and then it was while I was working there that

725
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: I met my first like proper boyfriend. Not at the supermarket.

726
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: I was just out. I think it was New Year's Eve.

727
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 2: I was out drinking for New Years and I ran

728
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: into someone on the news, so she's like dragged me

729
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: along to meet her friends. And then the countdown happened,

730
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: and the countdown was happening, and everyone around us was

731
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: like cheering, and some people were kissing, and this guy

732
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: that I had n't met just was like looked at me.

733
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: We just started started to start kissing. And then that

734
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: was my boyfriend for the next couple of years.

735
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: Of the thought went into that, Yeah, that's good. Yeah,

736
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: that's good planning thought. Okay, so you're you're living over

737
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: in WA, you've got casual work, you found the boyfriend,

738
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: giving up your custody over your sister's child, ye, or

739
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: did you take it to the courts?

740
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, let it go. I still offered child support but no.

741
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: So I was with my boyfriend for about a year

742
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: and then so my parents still lived in Queensland and

743
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: by then they started working on the mind and then

744
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: they were trying to get me to cut move over

745
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: and they said that they could get me and my

746
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: boyfriend a job on the mind soart that they were

747
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: working on if we moved over. And so that's what

748
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: we did. So I think when I was like eighteen,

749
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: we moved over to Queensland so that we could work

750
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: on this mind site. So we did the whole like

751
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 2: my mum, my dad and me and my brother ended

752
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: up not immediately, but a few years later he ended

753
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: up also where was that lived in cans and would

754
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: fly and fly out.

755
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: It's a tough gig, isn't it.

756
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I go. I ended up doing Flying

757
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: and fly Out for the next well, basically until I

758
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: met my ex husband. So I did it for five.

759
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: Years and money was good at that age.

760
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the money was good, but probably too good for

761
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: an eighteen year old because I was so me and

762
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: the boyfriend broke up the company I worked for in Queensland.

763
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: They were opening a new mine in wa a couple

764
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: of hours out of Perth, and so I saw that

765
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: as an opportunity to go home. So I put my

766
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: hand up to go back over there, and so did

767
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: my parents. So we all ended up coming back to

768
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: w A. I was, you know, when I was with

769
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: my boyfriend, I was quite like settled, and then when

770
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 2: I came back single and heartbroken for the first time,

771
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: with all this money, I just partied. And that was

772
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: my first sort of real party, proper party phase, I.

773
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: Think, And where did that lead to meth?

774
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: So I made friends, Like one of the first friends

775
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: I made in that town was this girl, uh, and

776
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: I didn't know that she was like that, you know,

777
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: she had a bad reputation in town and she she

778
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: did a lot of that And I didn't even know

779
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: that that's what I was doing when I started doing

780
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: it with her. Like I'd heard of I'd heard of

781
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: meth and I'd seen on TV, like all these horror

782
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: stories about crackheads and stuff, and I was like, oh,

783
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: I'd never do that.

784
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: And then it's almost there's almost like a social stigma,

785
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: like you could be a junkie on yeah at the

786
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: moment you yeah.

787
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: But I think this was when I quite knew or

788
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: if it was around before, we didn't know about it.

789
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: And but I think this was when it was sort

790
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: of like it was sort of emerging, and it was

791
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: more on the news about cracket, especially the American crackets.

792
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: It was when all those pictures would be Facebook of

793
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: the American meth heads, which were quite confronting, and so

794
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I would never do that. But

795
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: then I was doing it without even knowing that that's

796
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: what I was doing, because I guess I didn't ask

797
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 2: what am I taking right now? And it's very addictive.

798
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: So out of all the drugs I've ever tried, that's

799
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: the one that actually was really addictive and was really

800
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: hard to stop doing.

801
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: What these are about it, because I've had other people

802
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: say that that they would try different drugs, but meth.

803
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: You get the hit and it definitely yeah, so it

804
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: definitely gives you like a feeling of euphoria and there's

805
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: something addictive just in so eventually when I started smoking it,

806
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: like the smoking is addictive and even just watching the

807
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: swirl and but the feeling is like like it's very

808
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 2: It gives you so much confidence. And I'm someone who

809
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: I can be quite socially anxious. I didn't used to

810
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: think I was, but I did realize I only when

811
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: I thought I was a social butterfly was when I

812
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: was drunk and on drugs all the time. As soon

813
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: as I tried to socialize sober, I was like, oh

814
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: this is really hard. So uh yeah, it gave me

815
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: a lot of confidence, I guess while I was on it,

816
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: but it was such a high that the payoff or

817
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: you know what it cost you was that the calm

818
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: down and the low from it afterwards was worse than

819
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: anything else I've ever had. So the calmdown was extraordinary,

820
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, it would put you in a really bad

821
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: place mentally.

822
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: When you when you started using meth, When did you

823
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: realize that it got hold of you?

824
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: I think my parents they tried to shape me out

825
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: of it. So but at this because they went through

826
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: periods of so when they left the circus, they weren't

827
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: doing drugs anymore, and they went through a quiet period themselves.

828
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 2: So at this time they were on the straight and narrow,

829
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: and then I wasn't, and so they weren't silly. They

830
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: could see the signs. They knew what I was probably doing.

831
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: And then because we all worked together, I was like

832
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: taking a lot of sick days and being a bit unreliable,

833
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: And so my parents ended up trying to intervene, and

834
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 2: they told my boss and they wanted they actually my

835
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: boss said that your dad thinks I should fire you,

836
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's a bit harsh. And then

837
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: my boss ended up giving me a weird promotion. So

838
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: it didn't make much sense at the time because he

839
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: was He was just like, oh, well, are you unhappy

840
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: with your job? And so this chat that started with

841
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: well with being told that you're on drugs and that's

842
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: why you're being unreliable, But is it because you're unhappy?

843
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: And would you like to do this role instead? So

844
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: I never really understood that, but later it turned out

845
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: so the boss was also a massive sleeve. So I think.

846
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: I would imagine in that that industry, the fly and

847
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: fly out, like I speak to female cops and female

848
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: prison wardens, and in that male dominated industry, it would

849
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: have been a lot of that in Yeah, yeah, you'd

850
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: have to Yeah, you'd have to stand your ground.

851
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I was. I did science for a

852
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: few years, and uh, all them a lot of the men,

853
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: would you know, pretend to be single and then you

854
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: find out that they have families and kids at home.

855
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: There was a lot of that. But yeah, it's it's

856
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: not it's not a it's not a great environment.

857
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: I think the and could you from a personal point

858
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: of view, could you manage it like the sleeves, you

859
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: could still take the job.

860
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I've always been able to handle

861
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: sleeze bags. I think because you learn to deal with

862
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: them so young. But I also when I was working

863
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: on the mine, I started doing skimpy bar work. So

864
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: because I worked in a bar as well, I got

865
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: a bar job, so that I was I had more money.

866
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: And then because I can't remember what I was, because

867
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: it was before I got on the meth quite badly,

868
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: that I was like, I want to save up and

869
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 2: I want to buy a house and all these things.

870
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: And so I had a second job. And then I

871
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: don't even know how I even found out about it.

872
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: Might have just been looking in the papers and seeing

873
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: ads for skimpy bar mades. So I started doing skimpy.

874
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: Barmoe, skimpy bar maids.

875
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: So it's huge in Wa, not as big over here.

876
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: So skimpy bar maids is bar stuff that where next

877
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 2: to nothing. So it was like lingerie outfits and stuff

878
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: behind the bar serving drinks, and it's it's huge in

879
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 2: w as A. It's a big thing. Skimpys like make

880
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: a lot of money in w A just for serving

881
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: drinks in their bikinis or whatever.

882
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: And get tips.

883
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the tips, tips are good. And so I did that,

884
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: and that I think helped me deal with sleeves, bags

885
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: and just like laugh it off and.

886
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so you could push someone away and not take

887
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: offense and just yeah heading stupid, Yeah you got no chance.

888
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Okay. So you're working in the mines, you're

889
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: on meth, you're working this in the terrible Okay.

890
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: So the myth, uh was it was probably I reckon

891
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: maybe like six or seven months that I was doing it,

892
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: Like I would have started off doing it, and it

893
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: was on weekends, and then the weekends started getting longer. Yeah,

894
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: so instead of just you know, Friday Saturday, then it

895
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 2: would be Sunday, and then it would be Thursday, Friday Saturday,

896
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: and then it would be Wednesday, Thursday, Friday Saturday. And

897
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 2: these vendors would get longer. And then I think the

898
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: wake up call for me was my mental health just

899
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: got so bad, uh. And I knew that it was

900
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: because like it coincided with every time I partied, and

901
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: so I knew I had to make a choice. So

902
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: it took me a little while because I, you know,

903
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: tried to stop doing it, but were still hanging around

904
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: the same friends. And then I realized that if I

905
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 2: was going to stop, I needed to change my friendship circle.

906
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: And so I did because I didn't want to keep

907
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: feeling so bad, right right.

908
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: Okay, now from the skimpy bar, you also ended up stripping.

909
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that happened. So that happened after so I'd

910
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: gotten another I was working somewhere else. By this time,

911
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: I was doing five fay from Perth to Queensland for

912
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: a construction site. I'd got made redundant. So this was

913
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine global financial crisis. We're in the

914
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: middle of it, and so redundancy was a big thing

915
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: at the time, and I got made redundant, and I

916
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: just before I got made redundant, I'd met some strippers

917
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: and I was hanging out, like on my week's home.

918
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,959
Speaker 2: I was partying with these strippers. So I was parting

919
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: a lot again. Yeah, But because this was every time

920
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: i'd so, I got in another relationship and settled down

921
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 2: for a little while, and then I was single again.

922
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 2: So every time I ran amuck was when I was single,

923
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: because as soon as I would get in a relationship,

924
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: i'd settle down, I'd be good for a while, and

925
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: then single me would just be chaos. So I was

926
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 2: saying I was newly I got made redundant, and I'd

927
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: been hanging out with these new strip of friends that

928
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: I'd met, and then I lost my job. I went

929
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: to first, I went to Vegas, and I ended up

930
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: in America for almost three months because while I was

931
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: in Vegas, I was only meant to go for eight

932
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: days eight day holiday come back. While I was over there,

933
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: I lost my passport while I was drunk in a

934
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: night club and I couldn't get home, and so I

935
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: had to end up going to la for like a

936
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: week to try and sort that out because it was

937
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: a long weekend in Australia and they observed the public holidays,

938
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 2: so the embassy was shut. So it took me quite

939
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: a while to figure out a new passport to get home.

940
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: And then by that time, I'd met these new people

941
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,959
Speaker 2: and they invited me to stay, and so I did,

942
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: and so I stayed for almost three months before I

943
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: came back. And then when I was I said I

944
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: was obviously coming back to no job. I was chatting

945
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: to my friend and I'd ran out of money and

946
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: she was the stripper, and she booked me into a

947
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: strip job the day I flew home from America. So

948
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 2: I flew in jet lagged and did it. My first

949
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 2: strip job that night. Okay, well it wasn't stripped, it

950
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: was topless nude waitressing.

951
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: Okay, And how did that feel? Jet lagged, tied, emotional.

952
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: I probably took a big line of cocaine. I don't

953
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: really remember. I do remember I remember having like I

954
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: had fun. But yeah, I remember. I remember being because

955
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: it was my first time, I was like, well, I

956
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: won't go nude. I'll just do topless. And then within

957
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: a couple of hours I've been offered enough money that

958
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I'll go no, and I kind

959
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: of just escalated from there.

960
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: I can imagine how it would escalap from there. We're

961
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: going to we're going to take a break, we'll leave you.

962
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: We'll leave you as a stripper. But there's so much

963
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: more to you. And that's such a fascinating, fascinating story

964
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: and a good way you tell it. It's all life experiences,

965
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: like you know, listen to it. Not everyone lives a normal,

966
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: straight and narrow life. Things things happened. So thanks for

967
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: being so open, the enormous of us. When we get back,

968
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: we'll explore your stripping career a little bit more. We'll

969
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: talk about I want to get more of a sense

970
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: of the life of the partner of a bike. And

971
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: also we'll talk about your new career as a stand

972
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: up comedian and I'm enjoying the chat.

973
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: Thank you, sounds good.

974
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: Cheers.