1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to three sixty rugby League from every angle, joining 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: me for the second night in Narroo dan Ganaan. Let's 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: been the generators straight in Paul Crawley and Andrew Webster 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: and let's take a look at the ins and outs 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: around twenty one thanks to sports Bet and Sanin Smith 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: replaces Chad Townsend for the Roosters, Moses a big return. 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: Hawkins therefore moves to five eight for the Eels, for 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: sawmula aUI and for feeder out for the Titans with injuries. 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Cleary and Yo return after being rested by the Panthers, 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: but the big One, Lewis died named at halfback for 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: the first. 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: Time this year. 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: There is oh, he's the last man standing fast. 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: We think the day would come true. It's been cheaky, 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: isn't it. 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: It's cheeky, but how they've handled him has been fascinating. 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: They clearly don't think he's good enough. But if they're 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: going to put him in the shop front, if they 19 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: want to get rid of him, if he's not going 20 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 3: to be part of the club, you might as well 21 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 3: try and get rid of him. You might have or 22 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 3: put him in the shop front window and see what 23 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: he's got in first grade. 24 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 4: It's a bit sad, isn't it really? Like he would 25 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 4: have come over here with great expectations. He it's charity shielded. 26 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 4: It started in, didn't he he got singed? Was it sinbin? 27 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 4: At the end of the first half, Humphreys came on. 28 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 4: Humphreys owned the spot and it never ever changed throughout 29 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 4: the entire year. And now it's got to the stage 30 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 4: where it's become an albatross around souths Neck. And I 31 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 4: don't know how they go forward into this next year 32 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: because he's got two more years to run on a 33 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 4: contract and they've got to come to some resolution. 34 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: It is sad for him, But what was Souse thinking 35 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: in signing him? 36 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 5: That's a matter for South. 37 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 6: Look, all I can assume is that Phil Blake wasn't 38 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 6: available this weekend, so they couldn't They couldn't pick him. 39 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 6: Tuger Coleman, no tricky trendle like it is one of 40 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 6: the more bizarre. 41 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: Uh. 42 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 6: You know, recruitments really like it, Like it's not like 43 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 6: it's a small. 44 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: We still don't know who signed it. 45 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 6: Well, I think Mark Ellison is the recruitment manager. I'm 46 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 6: sure he had some saying and you know, I think 47 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 6: I've said it on the show a few times. As 48 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 6: far as I can understand it, Wayne didn't stand in 49 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 6: the way of it, But I think it was a 50 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 6: long way down that a conversation we've died before before. 51 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: Do you think Wayne was involved? 52 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 6: I think he didn't stand in the wave it. That's 53 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 6: how it's been explained to me. 54 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: Okay, But isn't a bit strange that a recruitment officer, 55 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: whatever you call it, he goes and gets a number 56 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: seven from overseas and he makes the call. And isn't 57 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: that a bit strange in itself? 58 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 5: I'm sure that they all it's always one sign that's. 59 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 2: Right when you wait for that for a head coach 60 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: that would. 61 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 4: Call it like you would think, and they should have, 62 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 4: of course they should have. 63 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: Brave look at people in England were surprised. Now now 64 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: he is a premiership winning half back, but it was 65 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: Is there a chance that House pushed the button when 66 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: he kicked that field goal in the World Club Challenge, 67 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 3: which is really, let's be honest, in our part of 68 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: the world, it's a glorified exhibition game. With all due 69 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 3: respect to the English sides who really take it seriously, 70 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: it's a glorified exhibition game in February. He kicks a 71 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 3: field goal they win thirteen twelve. Is that a two 72 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 3: million dollar field goal that he kicked? 73 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 6: You'd like to hope not. Wouldn't you like to think 74 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 6: there was a bit more depth to it than that. 75 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 5: But you're right. 76 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 6: I've heard from people both in the UK and other 77 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 6: recruiters here in the NRL that they were surprised that 78 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 6: sous One signed him, but also through that amount of 79 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 6: money out him. 80 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 5: Look, it's a two million dollar mistake. 81 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: I know. 82 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 5: I've heard of other Super League clubs. 83 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 6: Being interested in getting him, But is he they want 84 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 6: to be offering some pretty heavy coin to move Lewis Dodd, 85 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 6: or for Lewis Dodd to want to move away from 86 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 6: the seven hundred thousand dollars a year contract he's on. 87 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: Further to that, regardless of how he plays this week 88 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: and the back end of the year, will he be 89 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: at the club next year? 90 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: Do we know? 91 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 5: I would be surprised. 92 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: I don't know how it can be, because Souse had 93 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 4: to look back on this season and they've had a 94 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 4: rotten run with injuries. 95 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 7: We've said it previously. 96 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: I think that they also have to take some ownership 97 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 4: of where this club has gone the last few years. 98 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 4: I think you go back to the Grand Final and 99 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 4: ever since, it's almost like they've been treading water, hoping 100 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 4: that they can reinvent what they had previously. But the 101 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 4: players are getting older. Cody's another year older next year. 102 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: He's had a shocking run of injuries. Latrell has his moments. 103 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 4: He has his moments, but is he up with the 104 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 4: real gun fullbacks in the game at the moment? 105 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 7: I'm not so sure. 106 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: There's your list, Cruels, You've got to work today on 107 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: the injury list and the worth of player that is 108 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: on the side of the man. 109 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 4: That puts in perspective why they're sitting down the bottom 110 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 4: of the ladder, doesn't it. And a lot of these 111 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 4: injuries have been ongoing all year, Like Littrell's had massive 112 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 4: amounts of time out, Cameron Murray hasn't been there all year, 113 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 4: Keon's now gone for the season. Campbell Graham, even when 114 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 4: he's been playing, has been injury. That whole list, there's 115 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: six million dollars worth of talent. Again, I don't know 116 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 4: if that's the excuse, because if all these guys are 117 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 4: on the park I'm still not sure that saus would 118 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 4: be up near the top of the premiersgue. 119 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: A lot of them were in the park last year, 120 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: weren't they. Yeah, they were, And it's a good point 121 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: you make. 122 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: It's it's a bit of the unknown right now. 123 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: Everyone thought they may improve on last year this year, 124 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: but we haven't been able to see that because we 125 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: haven't really seen a full strengths house team at all. 126 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: That's their future though easier to write this year off 127 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: the corrector right this year the season was done when 128 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: Cam Murray went and that was in what February. What's 129 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,559 Speaker 3: their future because their best front rower is the second 130 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: rower in Colone Klama tugging. Cody Walker is at that 131 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 3: age unfortunately where he's getting old man injuries. But even 132 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: why Benett acknowledged and credit to him, we're taking a risk, 133 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: but we had to take a risk to sign him. 134 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: Latreal plays four towne games a year. 135 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: In fact, he's played eighty five. 136 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 3: Games in six years at South, so he's going to 137 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 3: miss ten games. 138 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 4: This is why I think that Sous are in that 139 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 4: position now where they have to start making some really 140 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 4: tough decisions because they're getting further away from the teams 141 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 4: up at the top of the Premiership. They're not getting closer. 142 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 4: And even when you look at what they've got there 143 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 4: for next year, I'm still not convinced they're going to 144 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 4: challenge the top teams with what they've got. They've got 145 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 4: to bring some players in. 146 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 6: They need some middle forwards. That's what they've been missing 147 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 6: all year. 148 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 7: They need to got half back. 149 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 6: I know that, but I get that, but they also 150 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 6: need some middles and I know they haven't had it, 151 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 6: but through injury and form they haven't had that. That's 152 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 6: at all this year, and look at where they are 153 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 6: in the ladder reflects it. I'm going to be very 154 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 6: careful what I say about how that being a mitigating factor, 155 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 6: because last time was on this show and I talked 156 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 6: about how how injury told. 157 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 5: His life one of the worst we've seen a long time. 158 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 6: I've got bashed up on social media from Rusters supporters 159 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 6: telling me and they make a good point that the 160 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 6: Rusters have had many, many seasons, many many seasons of 161 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 6: bad injury issues, but the Ruses have always still managed 162 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 6: to find a way to make the ape They're not 163 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 6: at the bottom of again. 164 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: Normally, Wayne finds away with whatever team he's got, that's right, 165 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: So that's a little bit of a spruke. I really 166 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: think they've got to change a lot about their recruitments. 167 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: So I think they've got to take a different direction 168 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: moving forward. I say this because you look at their 169 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: and your CFLs Cup team. They're coming last, the Jersey 170 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: Fleet second last. Their junior competition is nowhere near where 171 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: it used to be. 172 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: They're not like. 173 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: Clubs like Melbourne Roosters and the like, who have got 174 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: academies that they really invest time and money into and 175 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: bring players to the club and spend money on young 176 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: players and develop. 177 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: Them and bring them in. 178 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: They rely a lot on their juniors and the talent 179 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: coming through, and I think it's it's not how it 180 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: used to be there, and that's not through their own fault. 181 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: It's just that there's not as much participation. Our junior's 182 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: competition is as strong as it used to be, and 183 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: they tend to be quite limited with the money they 184 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: spend on these kids. 185 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 4: I think you're hitting it out along the head there, 186 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: because even this injury toll this year would have opened 187 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 4: the door for a lot of guys, but they just 188 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 4: haven't don't seem to have the talent coming through at 189 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 4: that club at the moment pressure. 190 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: They had something like over ten juniors that were in 191 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: the top thirty or something. They had a lot, They 192 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: had five or six in the Grand Final winning team. 193 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: They just don't have that at the moment, Sam, to. 194 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 6: Your point Dan about like why they should be You know, 195 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 6: maybe Betet should be playing Dodd, you know, to shop 196 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 6: him to get him to another club. I think it's 197 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 6: actually I understand why Wayne's not picking him. It's like, 198 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 6: this kid's not up to he's not up to first 199 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 6: grade standard. 200 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 5: And what does it say. 201 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 6: What does it say if we pick him when he's 202 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 6: just not going good enough? I think that says a 203 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 6: lot about Like, at least culturally, I think they're headed 204 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 6: in the right direction. As long as Bennet's there, they 205 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 6: always will be. Yeah, but their roster is all out 206 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 6: of weak. 207 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: He was on for twenty five minutes last week and 208 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 3: I felt for him. I was calling the game. He 209 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: didn't know what to do. He didn't know should I 210 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 3: get my hands on the ball, should I sit back? 211 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: The poor bugger is completely lost. 212 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: But what about Alice Johnson? 213 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: He has signed until the end of twenty twenty seven 214 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: or did the Rabbits need to sign him, want to 215 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: to you deal? 216 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: That was the first thing that stood out to me. 217 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: Great player looking to break that record, club man deserves 218 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: to be re signed and given another year, I believe 219 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: did he need to. 220 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 5: I don't think he did. 221 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 6: I was surprised it was too I surprise a lot 222 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 6: of people around the game. To me, it looked like 223 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 6: an emotional decision. I think it was like, if he's 224 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 6: going to break Ken Irvine's record, is not going to 225 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 6: be anywhere but at this club, and maybe they needed 226 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 6: to offer him to to make sure he didn't go 227 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 6: anywhere else. Yeah, but I'm not sure what other offers 228 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 6: are on the toe. 229 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: Is that a part of the problem here? 230 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: Did you shown't too much loyalty to the players that 231 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: they've got there? I think that's which is honorable, But 232 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: is it going to get them where they need to 233 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: get to? 234 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 4: I think it is an emotional decision with him though 235 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 4: there's no way in the world that they could have 236 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 4: let him go. But again, break You' hitting on a 237 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 4: good point, and this is going back to the problems 238 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 4: that they had when Sam and that was there. That 239 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 4: was things have just fallen away over time. I don't 240 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: think it's it's happened in six months. It has happened 241 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,599 Speaker 4: in twelve months. It's been a slow build over the 242 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 4: last few years where things have just gone They've got 243 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 4: out of control, and you're one hundred percent right. 244 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 7: It has to change. 245 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 4: They have to make really, really tough decisions going forward 246 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 4: because I think they need to turn over their roster. 247 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: Let's talk about a few more teams and we'll go 248 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: to the paramount Eels Moses back. 249 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: But five wins this season should Rolls be. 250 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: Under more scrutiny than what he's been under orre we 251 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: happy with the way they're tracking at the moment. 252 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 3: Isn't he doing exactly what you want for a team 253 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 3: in a rebuild. 254 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: I e. 255 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: He's not worried about. 256 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: Wins and losses. 257 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: He's clearing out the players that he knows are not 258 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: going to be there. Dylan Brown, he's open and saying 259 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: the future is now. He's seeing what's there. 260 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 5: And it's a honeymoon year. 261 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: Let's be honest. The first year coach always gets a honeymoon. 262 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: But isn't this the template of how all clubs in 263 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: a rebuild should be doing it. 264 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 6: I'm one hundred percent with you. I think his own 265 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 6: exceptional job. Jason Rowles, I think the five wins is irrelevant. 266 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 6: I think he got so much flak early on in 267 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 6: the season about the decision of Gutho on and when 268 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 6: things weren't working, and then I think things have started 269 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 6: to turn and they might have won five games, but 270 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 6: they've been in a hell of a lot of them 271 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 6: in the second half of the season. I think Jason 272 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 6: Rowles has got that club down in the right direction. 273 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 4: I questioned the guthe call at the start of the year, 274 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 4: but the more you see of a young year, you 275 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 4: kind of think, well, long term, he's probably made the 276 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 4: right call. What I've really liked about Jason Roles this 277 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 4: year is that through a really difficult time and when 278 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 4: he could have easily lost his head, he kept composure, 279 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: He kept calm. I've rarely seen him lose his temper, 280 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: and it's just been it's given you an insight into 281 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: obviously a bloke that's going to be around for a 282 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 4: long time. I agree that the decision with Dylan Brown. 283 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 4: I've heard people knock it and say, well, it's given 284 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 4: up on the season. I think the opposite. I think 285 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 4: it's given him a look at what may be. 286 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's the style too, which sty're playing. 287 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: They're playing a really expansive style. Their attack is improved 288 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: in and that's without Moses. You know, Moses comes back in. 289 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: They've missed him for a lot of the year as well, 290 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: so that's that's hurting. The defense was really poor at 291 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: the start of the year because he changed all the systems, 292 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: but that's improved as well as the season has gone on. 293 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: And you look at and I said it earlier on 294 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: in the year, you look at the Bulldogs with Cameron Serroado, 295 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: and he called a lot of players and they went 296 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: ten steps backwards before they started this run to get 297 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: where they are now. And I see a comparison there 298 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: with Roles. But I think the big question is Riles 299 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: has called a lot and is a comparison to Serrouto, 300 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: They've probably taken a couple of steps back. He's got 301 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: ridly Guffo, RCG Cartwright Madison today. So who's coming in? 302 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: Do we know? Who do they need? 303 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: Who should they look for? Is there are we concerned 304 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: about next year? If he hasn't brought too many players. 305 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 4: I think even with the players that they have and 306 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 4: some of the juniors that they do come have coming through. 307 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 4: I think they will grow as a team like he 308 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 4: is only going to get better. 309 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: In of course, yes, Parla's look better. 310 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 4: They've got talent of silver that's come to the club. Now, 311 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 4: They've got some pretty decent young forwards who were emerging 312 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 4: and it may take a year or two for them 313 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 4: to find their feet. When Mitchell Moses is there, it 314 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 4: makes such a hell of a differences. 315 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 6: We've got no patience in this game anymore. Rebuilds take time, 316 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 6: as you said, then they take. 317 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 5: They take. 318 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: There is no patience. 319 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 7: Where he won't be patients next year. 320 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 5: I get that. 321 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 6: I get that, but let me say this. You look 322 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 6: at what I know Ricky and the relationship that he 323 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 6: has with Donnie. 324 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 5: Ferner and Campe is different. 325 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 6: But is it a classic example of a coach not 326 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 6: coaching for his future that he can actually build and 327 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 6: build his squad and get what he needs in not 328 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 6: worry that he's got a coach to make sure he 329 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 6: doesn't get sapped at the end of the season. 330 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 5: And I think that's the. 331 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 6: Real value that It's a great point that the clubs 332 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 6: really need to embrace and that's exactly what Paramatta needs 333 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 6: to embrace because they're starting from ground zero at the 334 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 6: start of his. 335 00:13:59,360 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 5: Right direction. 336 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 3: They had a good era, right, They had a good 337 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 3: era with that core group. They made a Grand Final, 338 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 3: they were constantly competing. 339 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 2: But it's over. 340 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 3: I think the only one they're going to regret losing 341 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 3: is to London. That's the only one that's going to 342 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 3: bite them. 343 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 7: That they Sanders is another one. 344 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: Well, that one too, well, we don't know yet, but 345 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 3: he does look good. But the rest of them, it 346 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 3: was time of Paramount. 347 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 4: Have shown that they are a club that do have patients, 348 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 4: like Arthur was there for a decade. Yeah, you know, 349 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 4: and and and you talk about that decision. The comparison 350 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 4: with the Raiders and Foggerty is a great example because 351 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 4: that's Ricky not coaching for his future. They wanted to 352 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 4: give two years at the most manly offered three. They 353 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 4: weren't willing to go down that path. Rolls has to 354 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 4: make choices that he thinks are for the long term. 355 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 4: Guherson's a good one that he did all right. 356 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: For the Roosters, Townsend is out and Smith is in. 357 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: But do the Roosters regret their selection last week of 358 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: Chad Townsend are not going with Sand and Smith happened? 359 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: Could that come back to bite them? Well? 360 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 4: It could they go into this game this weekend, don't they? 361 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 4: That was a that was a big loss for them 362 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 4: because now are they four points outside the eight they 363 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 4: go all two points outside. They could be four at 364 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 4: the end of the weekend and trying to catch that 365 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 4: up with, you know, the season dwindling away. 366 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 7: I don't know. I just think it was it was. 367 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 7: It was proved wrong. 368 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: I thought it was strange, I really did. I was 369 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: surprised by it. I thought he's sand and injured. I thought, 370 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: I know, Hugo's I seen around my area and I 371 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: know he's out. I knew he wasn't playing, but I 372 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: thought Sand, it must be injured. You know, no disrespect 373 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: the Chad, you know, but I think his days in 374 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: first grade are gone, right And I hate saying that 375 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: because he's a great guy and he's had a great career. 376 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: But Sandon is a quality player. 377 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, they may not be keeping him next year given 378 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: what's happened with DC and all that. 379 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: But that was a critical game. 380 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: It was one that they really needed to win against 381 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: the side they could have beat and it was a 382 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: big risk and I think you know obviously it was 383 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: a failure, but I'm just thinking the repercussions of that 384 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: in a few weeks time could be severe. 385 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 4: Even this week, Like if the Sharks beat the Rabbit 386 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 4: as as you probably suspect they will, and if Manly 387 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 4: would have pulled it off, an upset against the Bulldogs 388 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 4: puts them in a position where they're going to be 389 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 4: pushing it uphill to try and make the ape. 390 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: Well, just there're two points out of the eighth, but 391 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 3: to your point, because they're falling against is the worst 392 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 3: of that group of four, so they're effectively two wins. 393 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: Outside the eight. 394 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: So thet look at that run hard Melbourne, the unfortunate 395 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 3: situation where cam Munster is sadly out this week because 396 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 3: at his dad's funeral. 397 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: It makes their job a little bit easier this week. 398 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: Manly all of a sudden starting to look like they're 399 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: running into formal Dolphins are no pushover dogs. And then 400 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 3: you've got Melbourne again. So I'll tell you what, if 401 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: they make it, bro, they're going to earn it. 402 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: Do you think they make it? 403 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 3: Well, they've got to push in front of Manly and 404 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 3: the Sharks and the Dolphins. They've got to push in 405 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 3: front of two of those. 406 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: Where do you reckons there a chance? He's been saying 407 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: it for about four months. 408 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 6: It is funny though, how their their run has died, 409 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 6: you know, not that long ago. I know other clubs, 410 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 6: with all of them privately were saying that that's the 411 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 6: team they actually. 412 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: But they beat Melane. We know Cameron Monster, which they can. 413 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: They're back on track. They've you know, they've gone off 414 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: a little bit, got off track last week. 415 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: You know, if Manly. 416 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: Knock off the Dogs on Sunday, that makes life very 417 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: very hard for the Roosters because that's another They've still 418 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: going to get two more wins than them, at. 419 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: Least or not before we move on. 420 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: No, no, no, okay, Kevin malt has to be named 421 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: Kangaroo's coach. 422 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 2: We think we're still not sure, but is it the 423 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: right choice. 424 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 6: I don't think there's any other choice they can make. 425 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 6: I just think the whole thing has been to complete 426 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 6: stuff up. I really do. They rushed through the Perth team, 427 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 6: They rush through malmon Inger as coach. I don't think 428 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 6: they had any foresight about who was going to replace 429 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 6: him as Kangaroo's coach for a very big series against 430 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 6: the Poems later this year. Brad Fittler had the job. 431 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 6: It got leaked out there from the NRL. He's back 432 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 6: flipped and said no, I don't want to do it, 433 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 6: and then they had no choice. But then they were 434 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 6: Then then there was going to be wayn and they're 435 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 6: going to change the rules, and that got floated out 436 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 6: and that got knocked on the head and then it's 437 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 6: come to Kevin Walters. Usually around this time, this close 438 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 6: to International Games at the end of the year, staff 439 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 6: are already picked and they've they've they're already discussing where 440 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 6: they're going to be training hotels. 441 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 5: All that stuff's been put on hold. Their first game is. 442 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 6: Against England at Wembley in front of sixty five thousand people. 443 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 6: Kevin Walters will probably lose his front row in Tino 444 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 6: and paying asters Samoa. 445 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 5: They've got all these injury dramas. 446 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 2: Lea Martin's have any mail on that while we're there? 447 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 2: What's that? 448 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 6: I don't know, but it's just I know, but it 449 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 6: seems but I know within the Australian setup. What there 450 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 6: is of the Australian setup they're pretty there's a mystic 451 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 6: about them playing for. 452 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 3: You fear break slightly different topic and is the other 453 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: one too? Do you fear the players are going to 454 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 3: pull out? Because we've already seen and I'm not saying 455 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 3: they're going to be part of Kangaroo to us, but 456 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 3: Latrell's already shut it down and he might be gone 457 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 3: for the year. Val Holmes, do you think this is 458 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 3: going to be commonplace? 459 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 4: Now? 460 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: This is the problem we have now? It happened last year. 461 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: You know, Kaylen pulled out because it's a long here 462 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: and the origins tough physical. We've got injuries at the 463 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: back end. They want to get surgeries and be right 464 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: for the year after. You know that. But I don't 465 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: get it because if I'm offered an Australian jersey, I'm sprinting. 466 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 6: How sad though that you would not want to play 467 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 6: at Wembley in for seeople generation. 468 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 3: And know the history of Kangaroo to us, right, but 469 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 3: that it hasn't been a Kangaroo too for twenty five years. 470 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 3: Does this generation realize how big this is? 471 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 2: We grew up with it, do we? 472 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 4: It was the biggest difference now is what you just 473 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 4: spoke about the possible likely to lose pain Haush, you're 474 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 4: likely to lose Tino, and you're likely to lose Hammer 475 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 4: and we've already lost all these other That's why it 476 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 4: was so crucial that they got this decision right on 477 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 4: the coach. And good luck to Kevy, right, good luck 478 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 4: to him. He's a good coach and he's proven that 479 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 4: he's up to representative football. But I just think that 480 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 4: regardless of if it's Kevy or someone else, coaching Australia 481 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 4: should go to the best candidate. It shouldn't matter if 482 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 4: they're a club coach. These games are held at the 483 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 4: end of the season. 484 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 7: There's no way like that. 485 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 4: They're finished by the end of November. There's no way 486 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 4: in the world you couldn't have a club coach doing this. 487 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 3: Isn't the truth? Isn't the truth? The reason we went 488 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 3: to that system. It was a way to justify full 489 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 3: time salary for what is essentially whether it's origin coach, 490 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 3: whether it's a test coach, it's a part time John. 491 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 4: Because if you go back to Dan, I'm not convinced 492 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 4: Freddie was the best decision. You know, if he was 493 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 4: their first contender, I would question that. 494 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 6: I think the best person for that job, given the 495 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 6: limited preparation was Bennett. I know you can sit there 496 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 6: and talk about South, Well that's on South. South were 497 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 6: prepared for it. To let him take the job, Wayne 498 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 6: would have been perfect. He had to get He's got 499 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 6: to get him up in a short period of time. 500 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 6: They're going to have like a handful of training sessions 501 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 6: when they get over there. 502 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 7: I just think, way to get him on the plane. 503 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 6: Well, that's right, but I just think Wayne, and also 504 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 6: in terms of like those like the likes of Tino 505 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 6: and pay in hash So this is no disrespect to Kevy, 506 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 6: but Wayne's got some gravitis that will probably could could 507 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 6: make them stay in the Australian Jumper. I just I 508 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 6: think the commissions really stuffed up the entire process. 509 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: To be honest, back to Kevy three game deal, is 510 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: that because he has intentions of being an nerl coach 511 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: that it's only a short deal or is it maybe 512 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: a lack of confidence? 513 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 5: I'm not sure. 514 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 6: I think it's the ladder, to be honest, I think 515 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 6: to me it doesn't sound like a vote of confidence 516 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 6: in Kevin Walters as the coach. I think it's like, well, 517 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 6: you're the only one we've got left. So we're going 518 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 6: to have to give you this this job. But remember 519 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 6: there's a World Cup next year. As I said, like 520 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 6: the the AL Commission has been sitting there and telling 521 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 6: the Super League how to do that run their business 522 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 6: and how they want international football to be stronger than ever. Well, 523 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 6: they probably should treat their own position, their own national 524 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 6: head coaching position, with a bit more respect. 525 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 4: Hypothetically, though that happens opens up another can of worms 526 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 4: with Kevy, because let's just say he was to go 527 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 4: on and get the Titans job, then he's an NRL coach. 528 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 4: Does that change his position as the Kangaroo's coach? 529 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 6: Should Well that's you know, that's the reason why they're 530 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 6: not giving it to Wayne. 531 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 5: But still let me do it. 532 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 6: They really, if the would have been the best person. 533 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: Hasler explodes in the sheds. We've all seen the vision. 534 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: What's his say about Des and his relationship with the 535 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: players at the moment. 536 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 7: That he's fed up? Doesn't it? 537 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 5: And it does? You know? 538 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 4: When Des went there, I actually thought he would do 539 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 4: a really good job. 540 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 7: I thought he would be a good fit for this club. 541 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 4: And to see how it's unfolded I'm still not convinced 542 00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 4: Dez is not the right man. 543 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 7: I think that the problem is this club. 544 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 4: They're just that's where you go to kill your career 545 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 4: because they've had deirs, they've had that. 546 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 7: Seriously, you go. 547 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 4: Back Holebrook Holebrook was there, Garth Brendan, Neil Henry was 548 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 4: doing a good job until they pulled his pants down, 549 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 4: Like it's like this club because he's not the biggest 550 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 4: problem the culture. 551 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 7: Of this club. It's the culture of this. 552 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 4: Club until they You had Kieran Fouran on a couple 553 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 4: of weeks ago, and I thought he said a really 554 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 4: good thing when you had him on the heavy hitter 555 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 4: section at the end of the show and he said, 556 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 4: you know what he said, when you're going through these 557 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 4: tough times, sometimes you just got to dig in. They 558 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 4: don't dig in. 559 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: You can put a tape on. 560 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: You could put a tape on of a game from 561 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 3: this year and from two years ago when it was 562 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 3: a different coach, and both I'd look exactly the same, 563 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 3: the same fifteen minute collapse where they let him three tries. 564 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: There's a mental softness there that. 565 00:23:59,040 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: Did you see it? 566 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 7: You see positive sizes there like. 567 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 2: Question, you're wrong, what you're thinking, I'm just surprised. 568 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 6: I'm just disappointed Ador didn't come off the frame like 569 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 6: they did when he was coaching mainly all those was 570 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 6: it manly or maybe candory, but here we. 571 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: Go just shows it's one of the great moments killer. 572 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: It just shows though that they've got so much work 573 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: to do up there, like they do they really you 574 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: talk about paramatter and what Rolls has done, and you 575 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: talk about surroundo and gas at the Bulldogs, they've got 576 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: to do that and more like, they've really got to 577 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: strip it all back. And you said it if they've 578 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: got the same style, same habits as they've had, you know, 579 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: for nearly a decade, like what are they going to do? 580 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: Who are they going to get in there? And how 581 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: are they going to fix this? 582 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 6: Well, I think it was the most telling thing. The 583 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 6: most telling thing was that he was prepared to do 584 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 6: it right in front of Rebecca Frazel, who's now taken 585 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 6: over complete ownership of that club. And you know, I 586 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 6: do actually have a lot of of faith in the 587 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 6: Brazels to well, because I just think that the quality 588 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 6: operators and that they've got complete control of that club, and. 589 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: I think the operators right, Yeah, they've been there for 590 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: a long time. They have what's and they're obviously very 591 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: successful in what they do in their business. They're very successful, 592 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: but what makes them what's going to transition that into 593 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: success as a rugby belief? 594 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 6: For Pall, I just think that this is their opportunity 595 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 6: to do their way, and I think there's a feeling 596 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 6: amongst particularly people of the Gold Coast, that that it's 597 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 6: if it's ever going to happen, it's going to happen now, 598 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 6: whether you know what, but it is the Bermuda Triangle 599 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 6: of rugby. 600 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 5: The Goal Coast. 601 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: To finish, you think you're back to the Bermuda Triangle 602 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: and it's where people go to die. 603 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 5: Apparently I'm allowed with case it doesn't work. 604 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: Next question they're not. Everyone is will he be there 605 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: beyond next week? It's his five five hundredth games, a milestone. 606 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: They just let him coach that game and. 607 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: Then I didn't care for that story and it was 608 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 3: buzz got that. I'm sure he got one hundred percent right. 609 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: This is a good journalism. I didn't like the specific goal. 610 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 3: They're going to let him have his five hundreds and 611 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 3: then they're going to move him on I do think 612 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 3: as limited success as des has had, he deserves a 613 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 3: bit more respect than that. 614 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 5: Let him agree out the season. 615 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 6: I agree he deserves to coach out the year. He's 616 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 6: a proud man, he deserves to be. 617 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 4: And is it going to change anything bringing someone in 618 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 4: at this stage of the season. 619 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: As a great Seabolt said, we're all going to die 620 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: one day. Stick around journaltors. Tomorrow morning, Australia's tour of 621 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: the West Indies continues because he's chased back to back 622 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: wins in the second T twenty against the West Indies 623 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: Tomorrow nine forty five am on ESPN