1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:13,721 Speaker 1: Appoche, production, life stuff, life, parenting. 2 00:00:14,281 --> 00:00:16,361 Speaker 2: We're doing life together and we're just going to. 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:17,161 Speaker 3: Tell you all about it. 4 00:00:17,601 --> 00:00:21,881 Speaker 1: I hate the word perimenopause. I can't We're not in menopause. 5 00:00:21,961 --> 00:00:28,081 Speaker 3: Like it's like Cam angry. What Welcome back to. 6 00:00:28,241 --> 00:00:32,601 Speaker 1: A bonus episode of Who even are we? This episode, 7 00:00:32,641 --> 00:00:35,121 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a Netflix show that we both. 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 2: Were but it became highly recommended as a topic to 9 00:00:39,281 --> 00:00:43,361 Speaker 2: talk about from one of our beautiful community defits. 10 00:00:43,521 --> 00:00:45,321 Speaker 3: She was like, do yourself a favor. 11 00:00:45,321 --> 00:00:49,681 Speaker 2: If you haven't watched Inside the Manisphere doco on Netflix, 12 00:00:49,921 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 2: get to it. 13 00:00:50,801 --> 00:00:52,281 Speaker 3: I think it was like an hour an hour and 14 00:00:52,321 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: a half. 15 00:00:52,961 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: I had to watch it over three different sittings, but 16 00:00:56,801 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: I didn't know how I felt about it. Now, this 17 00:01:00,001 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: documentary is all about being inside this inner world of 18 00:01:06,961 --> 00:01:13,401 Speaker 2: male influence, male influencers younger early twenties, the amazing what's 19 00:01:13,401 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: his name, Louis Thurrow's James at how. 20 00:01:15,961 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: I say it properly? 21 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: He's the host. 22 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: He's the host, but he also the way that he just. 23 00:01:20,881 --> 00:01:24,281 Speaker 2: Held all of them not accountable, but like he just 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: didn't hold back on the things that maybe as a 25 00:01:27,521 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: viewer you would sit there and think about. 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,321 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really good as an interviewer. He says it 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:32,801 Speaker 1: how it is. 28 00:01:34,161 --> 00:01:36,881 Speaker 2: But he was also allowed in their inner workings, so 29 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,121 Speaker 2: he was allowed inside of their homes, like you know, 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: he ensured that he didn't cross any boundaries, Like he 31 00:01:42,681 --> 00:01:46,761 Speaker 2: was very clear about how he felt. Which was another 32 00:01:46,801 --> 00:01:49,001 Speaker 2: thing that I've sort of found really interesting with this 33 00:01:49,041 --> 00:01:51,241 Speaker 2: one was Louis kept going back to like how he 34 00:01:51,241 --> 00:01:54,161 Speaker 2: felt around them, like within their presence, and I think 35 00:01:54,161 --> 00:01:56,281 Speaker 2: with one of them in particular, he was like, oh, 36 00:01:56,361 --> 00:01:59,201 Speaker 2: I feel like his energy towards me is off today. 37 00:01:59,401 --> 00:02:01,161 Speaker 3: It's very obje Oh my gosh. 38 00:02:01,161 --> 00:02:03,921 Speaker 2: He was phenomenal, and I know that he's obviously, you know, 39 00:02:04,001 --> 00:02:06,401 Speaker 2: been doing it for a career, Like I don't know 40 00:02:06,601 --> 00:02:08,881 Speaker 2: something about him that I really liked. But to break 41 00:02:08,921 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: down what the documentary is about, it's male influencers and 42 00:02:12,881 --> 00:02:15,881 Speaker 2: these guys rock around the world like they're rock stars 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,881 Speaker 2: but not rock stars. But the first guy, I can't 44 00:02:18,881 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: even think of what his name was, but he's the 45 00:02:20,721 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: first one that gets interviewed. He didn't even understand how 46 00:02:24,281 --> 00:02:28,441 Speaker 2: to talk to Louis in a documentary setting or style 47 00:02:28,561 --> 00:02:30,681 Speaker 2: because he's so used to talking to a camera. 48 00:02:30,841 --> 00:02:32,481 Speaker 3: Yeah, like Louis asked him a question. 49 00:02:33,041 --> 00:02:34,481 Speaker 1: They look at the camera look at me. 50 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my gosh. But that setting of influences. 51 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,721 Speaker 1: I find it really hard to understand. And this is 52 00:02:44,761 --> 00:02:48,161 Speaker 1: not even the point of the episode, but how people 53 00:02:48,281 --> 00:02:52,121 Speaker 1: get to be so big on social media. Honestly, I 54 00:02:52,121 --> 00:02:53,481 Speaker 1: don't understand. 55 00:02:52,960 --> 00:03:01,161 Speaker 3: It, not mine Rupe. 56 00:03:03,321 --> 00:03:05,561 Speaker 1: I don't get it. Like I don't get what the 57 00:03:05,601 --> 00:03:06,321 Speaker 1: secret formula. 58 00:03:06,361 --> 00:03:08,041 Speaker 3: I think here is a secret of formula. 59 00:03:08,081 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: But I do believe that in this particular documentary, inside 60 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: this manisphere, I think that they all have a common thread. 61 00:03:14,881 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: The common thread is that each. 62 00:03:16,121 --> 00:03:19,201 Speaker 2: And every one of them fucking good at sales, sales 63 00:03:19,201 --> 00:03:21,921 Speaker 2: and marketing, and what they're selling in their marketing is themselves, 64 00:03:22,361 --> 00:03:24,801 Speaker 2: so people then get on board with that. That's where 65 00:03:24,841 --> 00:03:28,041 Speaker 2: I think that younger generation is like looking into that. 66 00:03:28,121 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: I mean, also what they're selling is their disgusting personalities. 67 00:03:32,481 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: Like for me watching it, I was like, especially that 68 00:03:34,801 --> 00:03:39,761 Speaker 2: first guy, I was like, wow, you are grotesque. You 69 00:03:40,041 --> 00:03:42,801 Speaker 2: for me, as a forty year old woman looking and 70 00:03:42,921 --> 00:03:46,521 Speaker 2: listening to an early age twenty year old influencing then 71 00:03:46,681 --> 00:03:51,561 Speaker 2: our younger generations of males, you are foul. He even 72 00:03:51,721 --> 00:03:55,121 Speaker 2: says in it, Katie that his mother would be appalled 73 00:03:55,281 --> 00:03:58,481 Speaker 2: at him if she knew what he did because he's 74 00:03:58,481 --> 00:03:59,241 Speaker 2: a sexist. 75 00:03:59,521 --> 00:04:02,761 Speaker 1: He doesn't say that stuff around his mum because his 76 00:04:03,081 --> 00:04:07,441 Speaker 1: mum would absolutely go to town on him about his 77 00:04:07,601 --> 00:04:09,961 Speaker 1: views on women, women as. 78 00:04:09,841 --> 00:04:13,281 Speaker 2: Well as racism everything. He has no morals, no moral 79 00:04:13,321 --> 00:04:16,361 Speaker 2: well maybe he sees himself as having morals and values, 80 00:04:16,561 --> 00:04:20,081 Speaker 2: but it's in a very very far left extreme that 81 00:04:20,281 --> 00:04:21,521 Speaker 2: is hiding from everyone else. 82 00:04:21,601 --> 00:04:26,041 Speaker 1: What's interesting to me is what influence have those people 83 00:04:26,281 --> 00:04:30,481 Speaker 1: had outside of their families, Like, if his mum is 84 00:04:30,761 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: horrified by his views on women, then it obviously hasn't 85 00:04:35,801 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: come from her, So where's it come from? 86 00:04:37,761 --> 00:04:39,041 Speaker 3: I'm going to say, I'm going to just put it 87 00:04:39,041 --> 00:04:40,681 Speaker 3: out there. The way that my brain would go is. 88 00:04:40,601 --> 00:04:46,281 Speaker 2: That he has watched other people like disgusting human beings 89 00:04:46,281 --> 00:04:50,561 Speaker 2: like Andrew Tate, those sorts of people or maybe of 90 00:04:50,601 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: that liking. There would be a handful more that maybe 91 00:04:53,121 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: didn't make it to the platform that Andrew Tate got, 92 00:04:56,081 --> 00:04:58,201 Speaker 2: but there would be people like that that he has seen, 93 00:04:58,281 --> 00:05:00,481 Speaker 2: and he has watched and he has heard growing up, 94 00:05:00,721 --> 00:05:03,921 Speaker 2: formulating those years in his life where he's gone and 95 00:05:04,001 --> 00:05:04,481 Speaker 2: mimicked it. 96 00:05:04,681 --> 00:05:06,801 Speaker 3: Because that's what he looks like. I think he says 97 00:05:06,841 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 3: it in it. 98 00:05:07,241 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: He goes, if you can't sell yourself, you'll never be 99 00:05:11,721 --> 00:05:14,161 Speaker 2: in the class that I'm in, Like he literally believes. 100 00:05:14,201 --> 00:05:16,001 Speaker 3: I think he's twenty three, that first guy. 101 00:05:16,841 --> 00:05:19,401 Speaker 2: Now, Like for me, Katie, I look at it and go, 102 00:05:19,641 --> 00:05:24,241 Speaker 2: your girls are at that age. Could you imagine your 103 00:05:24,281 --> 00:05:28,841 Speaker 2: girls being with someone of that nature, like that stature 104 00:05:28,961 --> 00:05:30,281 Speaker 2: he holds himself within. 105 00:05:30,921 --> 00:05:33,481 Speaker 1: It's funny because my girls are seventeen and they look 106 00:05:33,521 --> 00:05:36,161 Speaker 1: they are very influenced by what they see on TikTok 107 00:05:36,201 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: and all the rest. However, and I don't know whether 108 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,481 Speaker 1: it's school or what it is, but they are very 109 00:05:42,601 --> 00:05:47,561 Speaker 1: much on the other scale of gen zs in that 110 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,361 Speaker 1: it's very much you can't speak to me like that, 111 00:05:51,081 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: Like they say it to me as a parent. They 112 00:05:53,481 --> 00:05:56,601 Speaker 1: say about teachers, Oh my god, missus so and so 113 00:05:56,721 --> 00:05:59,601 Speaker 1: said this, like she cannot treat us like that, Like 114 00:05:59,641 --> 00:06:04,361 Speaker 1: that's so disrespectful. It's like there's two types of gen 115 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,361 Speaker 1: z and look both very entitled but different ways. Like 116 00:06:08,481 --> 00:06:12,241 Speaker 1: there's the ones that are thinking like those guys think 117 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,961 Speaker 1: in the show, and then there's the ones that are 118 00:06:15,081 --> 00:06:18,841 Speaker 1: like up in arms like absolutely, you cannot speak to 119 00:06:18,921 --> 00:06:21,361 Speaker 1: us like that, like weary calls kind of thing. 120 00:06:21,921 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: The interesting part, like I found, was there was a 121 00:06:25,561 --> 00:06:28,241 Speaker 2: little bit of a common thread. The second one that 122 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,481 Speaker 2: got interviewed, he saw himself as a Robin Hood of 123 00:06:32,081 --> 00:06:36,201 Speaker 2: social media. So he's got famous through what did he say? 124 00:06:36,281 --> 00:06:39,201 Speaker 2: He said, he goes around and he flies different places, 125 00:06:39,201 --> 00:06:43,121 Speaker 2: and he finds out and he investigates and he's uncovering 126 00:06:43,161 --> 00:06:44,561 Speaker 2: the underworld of pedophiles. 127 00:06:44,921 --> 00:06:45,521 Speaker 3: So he then. 128 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: Calls out or will find out where a pedophile is 129 00:06:47,921 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: and then live stream him confronting this person pedophile on 130 00:06:54,001 --> 00:06:57,481 Speaker 2: the street. Like there is a common thread between all 131 00:06:57,521 --> 00:06:59,801 Speaker 2: of them that had this I don't want to say 132 00:07:00,961 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: extremist view, but there was. There was a few of 133 00:07:05,401 --> 00:07:07,921 Speaker 2: them that had full extremist view, but a lot of 134 00:07:07,961 --> 00:07:12,841 Speaker 2: them had this not conspiracy theory mindset, but they believe in, 135 00:07:13,361 --> 00:07:15,761 Speaker 2: you know, this higher power trying to take over the 136 00:07:15,761 --> 00:07:17,721 Speaker 2: world and they're not going to let that happen kind 137 00:07:17,761 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: of thing. 138 00:07:18,401 --> 00:07:20,401 Speaker 3: Does that make sense to you? Did you get that 139 00:07:20,521 --> 00:07:21,241 Speaker 3: or is that just me? 140 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:25,361 Speaker 2: Like I was pretty invested because I thought, oh my gosh, 141 00:07:25,601 --> 00:07:29,441 Speaker 2: how are we as mothers trying our best to raise 142 00:07:29,721 --> 00:07:33,321 Speaker 2: the best human beings that we physically possibly can within 143 00:07:33,361 --> 00:07:36,641 Speaker 2: our own worlds. And then there's these people out there 144 00:07:36,681 --> 00:07:41,041 Speaker 2: that have the power of a phone that take over influencing, 145 00:07:41,321 --> 00:07:43,601 Speaker 2: you know, our kids at the drop of a hat. 146 00:07:43,721 --> 00:07:47,281 Speaker 1: The worrying thing is how many people that are following them? 147 00:07:47,321 --> 00:07:48,041 Speaker 3: This is what I mean. 148 00:07:48,041 --> 00:07:51,561 Speaker 2: But also like it's not on mainstream, it's all on telegram, 149 00:07:51,641 --> 00:07:55,321 Speaker 2: Like their stream of income is all off of the 150 00:07:55,401 --> 00:07:59,001 Speaker 2: main platforms. So these main platforms, like they said, like 151 00:07:59,081 --> 00:08:02,681 Speaker 2: one's got a podcast and they're just outspoken and. 152 00:08:02,961 --> 00:08:06,721 Speaker 3: Arrogant and shocking. They give you that shock value. 153 00:08:06,761 --> 00:08:08,921 Speaker 2: And then as a female and you see the other 154 00:08:08,961 --> 00:08:11,761 Speaker 2: females within the documentary that you're looking at them going 155 00:08:11,841 --> 00:08:13,201 Speaker 2: like what are you doing? 156 00:08:13,881 --> 00:08:15,601 Speaker 3: Where are your morals and values? 157 00:08:15,681 --> 00:08:19,561 Speaker 1: Why are you they're supporting this male disgusting But Rach, 158 00:08:19,641 --> 00:08:22,921 Speaker 1: what I'll say is we both watched the show. I 159 00:08:22,961 --> 00:08:26,321 Speaker 1: know they're entertaining, and so we're wanting to see So 160 00:08:26,681 --> 00:08:30,201 Speaker 1: everybody that's following them may not believe the things that 161 00:08:30,241 --> 00:08:34,641 Speaker 1: they're saying, but they're entertained by the shock value of it. 162 00:08:34,841 --> 00:08:37,281 Speaker 2: Well, I look at it and go yes. Our lovely 163 00:08:37,361 --> 00:08:42,361 Speaker 2: listener recommended watching this right because she was so shocked. 164 00:08:42,361 --> 00:08:45,081 Speaker 3: She said, it's disgusting. I can't even believe, Like she. 165 00:08:45,241 --> 00:08:47,921 Speaker 2: Was absolutely appalled at the fact that there are men 166 00:08:48,161 --> 00:08:51,361 Speaker 2: like this in the world, in this day, in this 167 00:08:51,441 --> 00:08:54,161 Speaker 2: day and age, and they do not believe in women's right. 168 00:08:54,201 --> 00:08:56,161 Speaker 2: So I do not believe that women are equal to men, 169 00:08:56,281 --> 00:09:00,441 Speaker 2: And like, it's very clear, plain and simple, Yes, there 170 00:09:00,481 --> 00:09:02,121 Speaker 2: is that value and it you know, I went on 171 00:09:02,161 --> 00:09:03,801 Speaker 2: and watched it because I was like, Okay, well you 172 00:09:03,841 --> 00:09:04,441 Speaker 2: got me intrigued. 173 00:09:04,481 --> 00:09:05,521 Speaker 3: I want to have a look at this. 174 00:09:05,681 --> 00:09:07,521 Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, you have these 175 00:09:07,561 --> 00:09:11,081 Speaker 2: amazing people that have been in TV and that industry, 176 00:09:11,161 --> 00:09:15,041 Speaker 2: like Louis Thera, where you watch them more for their 177 00:09:15,081 --> 00:09:19,921 Speaker 2: performance in uncovering and undoing people like this, But at 178 00:09:19,921 --> 00:09:21,681 Speaker 2: the same time, fuck me. 179 00:09:22,121 --> 00:09:24,721 Speaker 1: What was interesting as well is obviously they signed up 180 00:09:24,761 --> 00:09:26,921 Speaker 1: to be on the show and got paid whatever they 181 00:09:27,121 --> 00:09:29,201 Speaker 1: got paid, maybe or maybe they were just doing it 182 00:09:29,241 --> 00:09:31,521 Speaker 1: for a little bit more fame, but they were all 183 00:09:31,641 --> 00:09:33,481 Speaker 1: very untrusting of. 184 00:09:33,921 --> 00:09:36,801 Speaker 2: Absolutely they were there untrusting, which takes me back to 185 00:09:36,801 --> 00:09:38,921 Speaker 2: what I was saying. That common thread of them is 186 00:09:38,961 --> 00:09:43,801 Speaker 2: that they're all untrusting of whatever they see as a 187 00:09:44,001 --> 00:09:49,761 Speaker 2: higher power. So mainstream media, you know, mainstream incomes, like 188 00:09:49,841 --> 00:09:52,281 Speaker 2: they see it all as being like, if you're going 189 00:09:52,321 --> 00:09:55,201 Speaker 2: to let that person control you, then that's more for you. 190 00:09:56,161 --> 00:09:58,281 Speaker 2: For me, I'm like, oh my gosh, So you really 191 00:09:58,801 --> 00:10:01,521 Speaker 2: definitely don't want to sit within what we would call 192 00:10:01,561 --> 00:10:05,841 Speaker 2: like general population. Obviously that's fine, and you want to 193 00:10:05,961 --> 00:10:09,561 Speaker 2: achieve and be a millionaire billionaire like one of them 194 00:10:09,641 --> 00:10:13,161 Speaker 2: was talking about, and they're doing it. But my thing is, 195 00:10:13,361 --> 00:10:17,521 Speaker 2: it's crazy to think all of the people that are 196 00:10:17,561 --> 00:10:25,001 Speaker 2: paying for these subscriptions to basically salesmen really good salesman. 197 00:10:25,241 --> 00:10:28,361 Speaker 2: There's no evidence that shows that actually works, Like there's 198 00:10:28,401 --> 00:10:31,201 Speaker 2: no evidence and like this whole spooking going like if 199 00:10:31,201 --> 00:10:33,321 Speaker 2: you want my advice and look at me, I just 200 00:10:33,361 --> 00:10:35,361 Speaker 2: made ten thousand pounds off this now, and. 201 00:10:35,281 --> 00:10:37,681 Speaker 3: You're like I had Like for me, Katie, would you 202 00:10:37,721 --> 00:10:38,161 Speaker 3: go for that? 203 00:10:38,401 --> 00:10:38,601 Speaker 1: No? 204 00:10:39,001 --> 00:10:41,961 Speaker 3: I would never, But they never bite into that. 205 00:10:42,241 --> 00:10:45,121 Speaker 1: No, But too many people are but me, these. 206 00:10:44,921 --> 00:10:47,521 Speaker 2: Other people are the ones that are fueling these grotesque 207 00:10:47,561 --> 00:10:51,881 Speaker 2: human beings and making them like a lot of money. 208 00:10:52,121 --> 00:10:54,681 Speaker 1: When we talk about like doom scrolling and stuff like 209 00:10:54,721 --> 00:10:58,881 Speaker 1: that what we're consuming these days, and we watch something 210 00:10:58,921 --> 00:11:01,401 Speaker 1: on sixty Minutes the other week that was talking about 211 00:11:01,481 --> 00:11:03,081 Speaker 1: the shrinkage of your. 212 00:11:02,961 --> 00:11:05,081 Speaker 3: Brain brain rots from watch. 213 00:11:06,641 --> 00:11:10,001 Speaker 2: It's the short videos, which is what's causing that lack 214 00:11:10,041 --> 00:11:13,281 Speaker 2: of attention, the brain rot that they're talking about, like 215 00:11:13,321 --> 00:11:16,641 Speaker 2: it was designing absolute shit. 216 00:11:17,241 --> 00:11:20,561 Speaker 1: I'm guilty of occasionally watching something I'm like, what the 217 00:11:20,601 --> 00:11:21,521 Speaker 1: fuck am I watching? 218 00:11:21,761 --> 00:11:22,241 Speaker 3: I watched a. 219 00:11:22,281 --> 00:11:24,801 Speaker 1: Video the other day. This isn't even like the worst 220 00:11:24,801 --> 00:11:27,441 Speaker 1: of what people watch. But I realized that I was 221 00:11:27,481 --> 00:11:32,801 Speaker 1: watching a video of David Beckham talking about his vegetable patch, 222 00:11:33,321 --> 00:11:36,401 Speaker 1: and so he did a video showing people these are 223 00:11:36,401 --> 00:11:39,521 Speaker 1: the carrots like walking around his vegetable patch. And I 224 00:11:39,561 --> 00:11:41,801 Speaker 1: sat and watched the whole video, and. 225 00:11:41,761 --> 00:11:44,161 Speaker 3: Then I was like, what did she really angry with yourself? 226 00:11:44,201 --> 00:11:47,401 Speaker 1: I'm watching a video about someone's vegetable. 227 00:11:46,961 --> 00:11:50,881 Speaker 2: Patch that he would not maintain himself, nor plant those 228 00:11:51,001 --> 00:11:53,201 Speaker 2: or grow them, but it looks great. 229 00:11:53,281 --> 00:11:53,721 Speaker 3: I mean I did. 230 00:11:54,001 --> 00:11:57,121 Speaker 1: Wholesome difference is is I like David Beckham. I was 231 00:11:57,201 --> 00:12:01,041 Speaker 1: interested to see, you know what they're gone, looks like 232 00:12:01,081 --> 00:12:03,561 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But at the same time, I 233 00:12:03,721 --> 00:12:06,481 Speaker 1: was watching a guy talk about out vegetables in his 234 00:12:06,601 --> 00:12:10,321 Speaker 1: garden and not even like tips on how to make 235 00:12:10,361 --> 00:12:13,281 Speaker 1: them tastier or do to help them grow. I wasn't 236 00:12:13,521 --> 00:12:16,921 Speaker 1: watching that was useful. Yeah, no, I was just watching 237 00:12:17,001 --> 00:12:20,041 Speaker 1: him talk about his vegetable patch. And when I think 238 00:12:20,081 --> 00:12:23,321 Speaker 1: about what my girls watch. Sometimes sometimes I'll look over 239 00:12:23,361 --> 00:12:26,921 Speaker 1: their shoulder and I'll go joking like you're wasting your life, 240 00:12:26,961 --> 00:12:30,041 Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, I know. They'll put their phone 241 00:12:30,081 --> 00:12:32,121 Speaker 1: down and go, yeah, I am wasting well, I'm doing this, 242 00:12:32,201 --> 00:12:34,841 Speaker 1: but they're caught in it. They're trapped in it until 243 00:12:34,921 --> 00:12:35,641 Speaker 1: someone says. 244 00:12:35,481 --> 00:12:38,601 Speaker 2: Something designed for what it's been designed for. How do 245 00:12:38,681 --> 00:12:41,961 Speaker 2: you feel about the one sided? So one of them 246 00:12:42,321 --> 00:12:46,121 Speaker 2: talked about a one sided monogamous relationship. 247 00:12:46,161 --> 00:12:48,681 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. 248 00:12:48,441 --> 00:12:53,241 Speaker 2: Yeah, and his wording, he has sold himself the story 249 00:12:54,121 --> 00:12:57,921 Speaker 2: that his wife that he won't marry, like he doesn't 250 00:12:57,921 --> 00:13:00,801 Speaker 2: believe in that societal form. But you know, he knows 251 00:13:00,841 --> 00:13:05,521 Speaker 2: that she won't go anywhere because he has had children 252 00:13:05,561 --> 00:13:10,001 Speaker 2: with her, so he has this control mechanism over the children. 253 00:13:10,601 --> 00:13:13,961 Speaker 2: Is she knows that she doesn't want to be with 254 00:13:14,041 --> 00:13:18,361 Speaker 2: another male. There is what he's saying me In my head, 255 00:13:18,401 --> 00:13:21,401 Speaker 2: I was like, sorry, is she a robot? And then 256 00:13:21,441 --> 00:13:24,081 Speaker 2: he's like saying, she doesn't want to love another male, 257 00:13:24,361 --> 00:13:26,521 Speaker 2: She doesn't want to be with another male. And she 258 00:13:26,721 --> 00:13:29,761 Speaker 2: knows that, you know, when I'm with my girlfriends and 259 00:13:29,801 --> 00:13:31,761 Speaker 2: like if I bring my girlfriends home to have a 260 00:13:31,881 --> 00:13:34,921 Speaker 2: threesome with her, she just knows that that's what their 261 00:13:35,001 --> 00:13:35,441 Speaker 2: role is. 262 00:13:35,641 --> 00:13:40,401 Speaker 3: That's where that me. I like seeing there going holy shit. 263 00:13:40,841 --> 00:13:45,081 Speaker 1: So everything about that Rach screamed DV to me. 264 00:13:45,641 --> 00:13:48,321 Speaker 3: We would see it is comhersive control and DV. 265 00:13:48,681 --> 00:13:51,561 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's a couple of parts to this. So 266 00:13:52,161 --> 00:13:57,121 Speaker 1: first of all, absolutely here's a pig. But secondly, obviously 267 00:13:57,201 --> 00:13:59,921 Speaker 1: there's a reason why she's staying and all the red. 268 00:14:00,241 --> 00:14:02,401 Speaker 1: Why would you get with someone like that in the 269 00:14:02,521 --> 00:14:05,801 Speaker 1: first place. Yeah, And I understand that people can't leave 270 00:14:05,841 --> 00:14:08,561 Speaker 1: for reasons and stuff like that, But from the outside 271 00:14:08,601 --> 00:14:12,161 Speaker 1: looking in, I want to shake that girl and. 272 00:14:12,241 --> 00:14:13,481 Speaker 3: Go get the fuck out of here. 273 00:14:14,081 --> 00:14:16,441 Speaker 1: What are you doing with him? I believe that she 274 00:14:16,481 --> 00:14:19,641 Speaker 1: loves him. I don't believe that that's a nice relationship 275 00:14:19,641 --> 00:14:22,961 Speaker 1: to be him. Yeah, I don't believe that she's okay 276 00:14:23,041 --> 00:14:26,441 Speaker 1: with the other women coming. There would also be a 277 00:14:26,521 --> 00:14:30,961 Speaker 1: whole load of stuff around sexual trauma, which yeah talked 278 00:14:30,961 --> 00:14:35,841 Speaker 1: about before, in that she obviously feels like the expectation 279 00:14:36,201 --> 00:14:38,721 Speaker 1: is that she joins him when other women come home. 280 00:14:39,001 --> 00:14:41,041 Speaker 1: But what it's like to be a woman. We don't 281 00:14:41,041 --> 00:14:41,801 Speaker 1: always feel. 282 00:14:41,681 --> 00:14:42,801 Speaker 3: Like doing that, Katie. 283 00:14:42,921 --> 00:14:46,361 Speaker 2: I think about it and go like, I am quite outspoken. 284 00:14:46,441 --> 00:14:49,441 Speaker 2: I grew up with three brothers. If I wasn't outspoken, 285 00:14:49,681 --> 00:14:52,401 Speaker 2: I would have just been pushed to aside, not forgotten about, 286 00:14:52,441 --> 00:14:55,641 Speaker 2: because they loved and loved me very much, and I 287 00:14:55,721 --> 00:14:58,721 Speaker 2: was very much treated like a princess. But if I 288 00:14:58,841 --> 00:15:03,761 Speaker 2: wasn't outspoken, I'd be like left behind. There's not one 289 00:15:03,801 --> 00:15:06,161 Speaker 2: out of me that would I know how to shut 290 00:15:06,281 --> 00:15:10,841 Speaker 2: down that voice and being out loud about when he 291 00:15:10,881 --> 00:15:13,281 Speaker 2: brings the girlfriends home, Like in my head, I go 292 00:15:13,361 --> 00:15:15,601 Speaker 2: into that situation of going, okay, well, how did she 293 00:15:15,681 --> 00:15:16,001 Speaker 2: do it? 294 00:15:16,161 --> 00:15:17,601 Speaker 3: How did she quieten the. 295 00:15:17,521 --> 00:15:19,921 Speaker 2: Noise in her head, to quieten her mouth to do 296 00:15:20,001 --> 00:15:22,441 Speaker 2: as she's told? Obviously there's a lot of things that 297 00:15:22,521 --> 00:15:24,641 Speaker 2: come to play with that. There's a lot of things 298 00:15:24,641 --> 00:15:26,881 Speaker 2: that might stack up that might not have been seen 299 00:15:26,921 --> 00:15:29,241 Speaker 2: on the documentary, which we can't assume. 300 00:15:29,321 --> 00:15:31,841 Speaker 3: But I just don't know how she does that. Maybe 301 00:15:31,881 --> 00:15:34,041 Speaker 3: she loves it, maybe she enjoys it. Maybe that's why 302 00:15:34,081 --> 00:15:35,801 Speaker 3: he's picked her. She's summon them for me. 303 00:15:35,921 --> 00:15:38,561 Speaker 2: I Reckon had two kids and she loves the idea 304 00:15:38,641 --> 00:15:41,241 Speaker 2: of lots of other people being in the bedroom, and 305 00:15:41,281 --> 00:15:42,001 Speaker 2: good luck to that. 306 00:15:42,241 --> 00:15:45,281 Speaker 1: I feel like it would be the same situation as 307 00:15:45,401 --> 00:15:50,921 Speaker 1: why Hugh Hefner had lots of young girlfriends because there 308 00:15:51,001 --> 00:15:55,321 Speaker 1: was fame, there was money, Yeah, there was glamorous life, 309 00:15:55,641 --> 00:15:57,961 Speaker 1: and oh I have to go and have sex with 310 00:15:58,041 --> 00:16:01,161 Speaker 1: an eighty year old man with seven other girls. 311 00:16:02,081 --> 00:16:05,161 Speaker 3: I just hope that I'm always in the background. You 312 00:16:05,201 --> 00:16:08,961 Speaker 3: don't have to be the main act. Hopefully the blue 313 00:16:08,961 --> 00:16:09,841 Speaker 3: pills are worn down. 314 00:16:09,881 --> 00:16:10,081 Speaker 1: Mother. 315 00:16:10,601 --> 00:16:15,601 Speaker 3: Sure after the seven you're like, oh, what a shame, 316 00:16:15,881 --> 00:16:16,601 Speaker 3: it's gone down.