1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Rule. This is life and Crimes. Sadly, I'm 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: not around at the minute because i am away on 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: assignment or on holidays or hiding out or something. But 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: I'm not here, and that means that the current court 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: hearing involving the woongatter case, that is the disappearance of 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: the campus Russell Hill and Carol Clay and the subsequent 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: charges laid against Greg Lynn, that case is kicking off 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: in my absence because I'm not here to talk about it. 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: The most excellent Herald Sun reporter Laura Placella is over 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: to you. 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: Laura. 12 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 3: Thanks Andrew. I've previously covered this high profile case during 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: my time as a court reporter, and I'm joined by 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: one of my colleagues, Miles Priest, who will be covering 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 3: the trial that is now underway in the Supreme Court. 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Miles for making time for us 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: after what I'm sure was a very long day in court. 18 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: Yeah good, bit tired, but it was great to finally 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: hear some detail on this case. 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 3: So tell our listeners what's your. 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: Role at the herald'sun So I'm a court reporter. I've 22 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: been in that role for over two years now and 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: I've been with the paper for about three. 24 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: Years, and it's my understanding that you're going to be 25 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: like the eyes and ears for us in the courtroom. 26 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 3: How long is this trial expected to run for? 27 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: That's right, So I'll be covering this case for the 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: Herald's sun. I'll be in there every day. It's expected 29 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: to run four to six weeks, and I'll be filing 30 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: daily court reports both online and the newspaper, in addition 31 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 2: to doing these weekly episodes with you, Laura. 32 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: Sounds like we'll be in it for the long haul. 33 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 3: Now that it's in front of a jury, it's the 34 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 3: first time we can talk about it. Just tell us 35 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 3: why we couldn't really talk about it previously, just. 36 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: Because before it's put to a jury, we just have 37 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: to be careful about what we report in case, you know, 38 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: we tanked a jury with information that they're not necessarily 39 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: going to be told in the trial. So it's just 40 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 2: to ensure that mister Lynn gets a fair trial, everything 41 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: run smoothly, that we really can only report what's been 42 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 2: put before the jury. 43 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: Well before we dive into what happened in court today, 44 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: can you just remind our listeners about this case and 45 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 3: give them a broad overview. 46 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely. So this case is really about three people, 47 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: Russell Hill and Carol Clay. They were this elderly couple 48 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: who were aged in their seventies. I mean they weren't 49 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 2: actually a couple. They were childhood sweethearts who rekindled their 50 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: relationship in two thousand and six and they secretly began 51 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: seeing each other and they would go on these camping 52 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: trips up to the high country to spend time together. Essentially, 53 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: mister Lynn Greg Glenn is a former Jetstar pilot. He's 54 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: aged fifty seven. He lives in Caroline Springs in Melbourne's 55 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: western suburbs with his family. And he was also a 56 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: keen hunter and outdoorsman, and yeah, he would go out 57 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: and you know, spend time out in the bush. 58 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: So when roughly did this all happen, It was at 59 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: the heart of COVID, wasn't it. 60 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: That's right. So, just to give a bit more background 61 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: on the case, the two groups were camping. So this 62 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: is mister Hill missus Clay at one camp site and 63 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: mister Lynn at another campsite in the Wanagata Valley in 64 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: Victoria's Alpine Country high country in March twenty twenty just 65 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: before sort of COVID retrictions came in. So it's agreed 66 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: that they were both camping next to each other, and 67 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: prosecutors allege that mister Lynn went and murdered the other 68 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: elderly campers and then he was charged with here. He 69 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 2: was arrested in November twenty twenty one, about eighteen months 70 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: after what's the alleged to have happened up there, and then 71 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: he's been charged with their murders and then he's slowly 72 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: been going through the courts and yeah, his trial started 73 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: this week. 74 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: Here we are. So now we know a little bit 75 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: about the accused and the deceased. Can you tell us 76 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: about everyone else in the courtroom? Who's who in the zoo? 77 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: This trial has been held at the Victorian Supreme Court, 78 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: which is a beautiful building in the center of Melbourne. 79 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: Inside the court we've got a number of people. We've 80 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: got the Judge Michael Croucher, or Justice Michael Croucher, and 81 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: he's sitting at the bench, he's sitting above everyone else 82 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: in front of him, sitting at the bar table. You've 83 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: got the lawyers, so you've got Crown prosecutors. Daniel Portradiu 84 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: and Catherine Hamill. Next to them are the defense barristers Dermott, 85 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: dankc and Michael McGrath. On the side of the court 86 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: sort of facing towards the bar table, but also a 87 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: little bit higher than everyone else so they can get 88 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: a good view is the jury box. So there's fifteen 89 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: people sitting in the jury box, which includes three extras 90 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: just in case any are unable to sit through the 91 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: trial for whatever reason, maybe illness or something like that. 92 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: And then at the end of the trial, three of 93 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: them will be balloted off randomly, so there's twelve left 94 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: to return a verdict. On the other side of the courtroom, 95 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: again looking towards the jury box, is a section for 96 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: the media, so there was more than I think seventeen 97 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: or eighteen members of the media were in court today. 98 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: And then at the back of the courtroom you've got 99 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: the accused man, Greg Lynn, who's in the dock, and 100 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: the dock is sort of raised a little bit. Upstairs, 101 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: you've got the public gallery, which is where everyone else sits, 102 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: and that was absolutely packed today. I couldn't say exactly 103 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: how many were up there, but it was pretty much 104 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: standing room only. I think I did see a few 105 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: people who were forced to stand during the openings, and 106 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: that's where family members of both mister Lynn and mister 107 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: Hill and Missus Clay were seated. I spotted mister Lynn's 108 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: wife up there and one of Missus Clay's daughters. 109 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for painting such a great picture for 110 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 3: us of what actually happens in the court and who's 111 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: sitting where in terms of the facts themselves, or rather 112 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 3: we should say the allegations. The jury have now heard 113 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: from the prosecutor and the defense barrister who have summarized 114 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: their cases with their openings. But to break it down, 115 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: can you tell us what is actually agreed between these 116 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 3: two parties? 117 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely so. What wasn't in dispute is that Greg 118 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: Lynn left his Caroline Springs home in March twenty twenty 119 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: on a camping trip to the wan Agada Valley. He 120 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: was driving a niss And Patrol, dark colored Nissing Patrol, 121 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: he was towing a trailer, his license to carry a firearm, 122 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: and he was a keen hunter. He interacted with several 123 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: witnesses up in an area called Bucks Camp, and they're 124 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: expected to give evidence at this trial about his movements 125 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: in the area. And there was no dispute that Russell 126 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: Hill and Carroll Clay were also camping in the area 127 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: around the same time, and they were also on a 128 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: sort of camping trip. That's what's not in dispute. Really. 129 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: What is in disput I mean there is a lot 130 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: in dispute is what happened the events of March twenty, 131 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. 132 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: So what do the prosecution allege happened that day in 133 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 3: the high Country? What is the crux of their case. 134 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: So the prosecution allege mister Lynn murdered mister Hill and 135 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: missus Clay in the Wanagader Valley on the evening of 136 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: March twenty, twenty twenty. They can't say what the exact 137 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: circumstances that led to those killings were, but they believe 138 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 2: there was a confrontation between mister Lynn and mister Hill, 139 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: likely related to the usage of mister Hill's drone. They 140 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: alleging that mister Hill was killed first. That's because they 141 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: say missus Clay was very unlikely to have provoked a 142 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: violent confrontation. The prosecution can't say how mister Hill was killed, 143 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: but they allege missus Clay was shot in the head, 144 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: and then they say mister Linn went to cover up 145 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: the murders by destroying evidence, taking their bodies, stumping them 146 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: the bush, and returning at a later date as well 147 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: to ensure those remains hadn't been discovered, and also burning 148 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: those remains. 149 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: So what did the defense allege happened? It seems like 150 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: the case has become one of murder or mishap. 151 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: That's right. So Dermot Dan k C. In his opening 152 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: address to the jury said this case was about two accidental, 153 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: tragic deaths that were not of mister Lynn's making nor 154 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: of his choosing. So that's really outlining the defense case. 155 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: The couple did die accidentally, but mister Limb was not 156 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: responsible their deaths, and he certainly was not responsible for 157 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: their murders or manslaughter. So in his opening address, mister 158 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: Dan said, mister Lynn went over to mister Hill's campsite 159 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: sometime on March twenty, twenty twenty, and this is the 160 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: account mister Lynn has given police, and so this is 161 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: what they're using as their defense. He says, mister lin 162 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: went over to mister Hill's campsite and asked him about 163 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: his drone. In the conversation that followed, mister Hill voiced 164 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: his concern his issues with deer hunting and being carried 165 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: out in the area. And of course we know mister 166 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: Lynn was a deer hunter and mister Hill had actually 167 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: earlier told mister Lynn about someone close to him being 168 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: killed in a deer hunting accident. Now, after dinner time, 169 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: this is what mister Lynn claims. He says mister Hill 170 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: accuses him of hunting too close to the campsite and 171 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: saying he's filmed him on his drone and he's going 172 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 2: to be taking that footage to police. Now, mister Len 173 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: is annoyed by this, and he returns to his campsite 174 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 2: and he turns up his car stereo and opens his door. 175 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 2: And this is to annoy the other campsite, mister Hill 176 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: and missus Clay at the other campsite. Now, he claims, 177 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: around nine or ten pm, he's sitting around his campsite 178 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: when he hears the noise around his car and he 179 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 2: sees mister Hill walking away from his car carrying his shotgun, 180 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: mister Lynne's shotgun and a magazine of ammunition. Mister Lynn 181 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 2: says he follows mister Hill and asks him to give 182 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: it back. He aledges mister Hill then told him to 183 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: f off, and when he caught up to him, he 184 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: still tries to get it back, he says. Mister Hill 185 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: loses his temper and fires the gun into the air. 186 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: Mister Lynn says he then jumps for cover. He decides, 187 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 2: you know, the safest thing to do is try and 188 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: get this gun back. He tries to grab the gun 189 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: and then there's a struggle between the two men. As 190 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 2: they fight over the gun. He claims his fingers were 191 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: not on the trigger. The gun accidentally goes off. It 192 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: strikes missus Clay in the head and she's killed pretty 193 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: much straight away. So he takes the weapon back to 194 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 2: his his own camp site just to make sure it's 195 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: out of harm's weight. While that's happening, he sees mister 196 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: Hill run towards him holding a knife, screaming she's dead. 197 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: Then there's a struggle between the two men, and during 198 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: that struggle, the men fall to the ground and the 199 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: blade goes into mister Hill's chest and kills him. 200 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 3: So what happened after that, according to mister Lynn. 201 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: So, mister Dan said his client was left with this 202 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: terrible sort of scene where two people are dead and 203 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: he doesn't know what to do, and he says he 204 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: makes this terrible choice to conceal what had happened, so 205 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: that involved taking items and putting them in the tent. 206 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: This is mister Hill and missus Clay's tent and burning it, 207 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: and then he takes their bodies. He takes items from 208 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: the car as well, which include cash, bank cards, mister 209 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: Hill's drone, and then he takes their bodies and puts 210 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 2: them in the trailer on the back of his car, 211 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 2: and then he drives to an area called Union Spur Track, 212 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: which is where he then dumps the bodies. Mister Lynn 213 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: then returns home and after that point the state is 214 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: plunged into lockdown. This is during the early stages of 215 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: COVID nineteen. As we all well remember, in May twenty twenty, 216 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: he went back after lockdown just to check where the 217 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 2: bodies were and to make sure they hadn't been found. 218 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: He then also returns in November twenty twenty, in what 219 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: mister Dan described as another terrible action and which mister 220 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: Lynn himself tells police there was no excuse. He burns 221 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 2: the bodies whatever remains were left. He describes being physically 222 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: sick while he was depositing some of the remnants of 223 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: what was left of the fire into another spots. Dan 224 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: says after his arrest, his client is very forthcoming to 225 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: police and gives all that information about where they would 226 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: find the remains. And on the defense case, he says 227 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 2: he was being completely truthful and accurate and telling about 228 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: the circumstances about how these two people died. 229 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 3: So we had the prosecution and defense openings today. Did 230 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: we hear from any witnesses? 231 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: We did hear from a couple of witnesses. So the 232 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: first one was a park's ranger also who works up 233 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: in the Alpin National Park, and he was shown maps 234 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: and different photographs of the area and he was setting 235 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 2: the scene and describing different areas to the jury. And 236 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: then we had another guy up and his name was 237 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: Blair Anson, and he arrived at the Alpine National Park 238 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: on March eleven, twenty twenty, so this is about nine 239 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 2: days before the alleged murders. He was going deer hunting 240 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: with some mates. He was camping nearby mister Hill, So 241 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: mister Hill was on a separate camping trip before he 242 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: was allegedly murdered, and they were camping near each other, 243 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: and they spoke to each other. They had some interactions 244 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: with mister Hill, and he just spoke a little bit 245 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: about those interactions. He said mister Hill asked him if 246 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 2: he could a fly's drone, and mister Anson said, you know, 247 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: that's the problem. He also described him gave a bit 248 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: about how he found him to be. He said he 249 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: was a knock about sort of guy who was friendly 250 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: and very approachable. He did describe one interesting interaction between 251 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 2: the two despite that happening. He said he saw mister 252 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: Hill chopping up some snowgums, so those beautiful eucalyptus trees 253 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 2: up in the high country with a chainsaw and was 254 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 2: aware that it was illegal. He says, he asked him 255 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: if he cared about parks in sort of relation to 256 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 2: Park's Victoria Rangers and mister Hill, the court heard replied, 257 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: I don't give an f and mister Anson just said 258 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: it's stuck in his head. He thought it was a 259 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 2: bit peculiar to hear this Oldish man reply in such 260 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: a way. So yeah, it was just sort of an 261 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 2: interesting description of this interaction that was had up in 262 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: the high country a few days before. 263 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 3: So how many more witnesses are we expected to hear 264 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: from over the course of the trial and what can 265 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 3: we expect over the next few weeks. 266 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: So more than one hundred winnesses could be called. Not 267 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 2: necessarily all of them will be called, but when a 268 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: witness list was read out to the jury yesterday we 269 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: heard more than one hundred names, and so that includes 270 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 2: other campers, police family and forensic officers, park rangers, all 271 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: sorts of people. We don't know exactly who's going to 272 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: be up each day and we haven't been given a 273 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: witness list, but either way, it's shaping up to be 274 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: a very compelling trial. 275 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: Well, thanks Miles. 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