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Speaker 1: This is the Fitting and Whip with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 1: Plenty to talk about with this man, because I know

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Speaker 1: he was an Oasis on Friday night. We have some

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Speaker 1: social media laws changing. There's a photo of the Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister at Oasis.

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Speaker 2: There's Davy Warner and Canus Warner as well.

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Speaker 1: God, he's got the whole team there. We came into

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Speaker 1: the show, Prime Minister.

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Speaker 3: Hello, good morning, Good to be with you, honor.

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Speaker 2: You didn't wear the Joy Division T shirt to the gig,

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Speaker 2: did you, Prime Minister?

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Speaker 3: Gee? Wheez, what nonsense?

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Speaker 1: What a load of crack anything these days?

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Speaker 3: It is. It was rather extraordinary. I'm going to say,

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Speaker 3: but a few people will commented exactly that on Friday night.

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Speaker 2: We need nostalgia in our lives at the moment, Prime Minister,

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Speaker 2: I think Oasis wasn't an amazing atmosphere. Just there was

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Speaker 2: young kids there, there were couples with their arms around

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Speaker 2: each other, there were grown men crying. It was. It

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Speaker 2: was a great atmosphere, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: It was fabulous. I went with my son Nathan and

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Speaker 3: we had a terrific night. It was great to get

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Speaker 3: a night off for a change. I've got to say

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Speaker 3: a big change from the usual Friday night which usually

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Speaker 3: a dinner somewhere, but giving a speech of course, but

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Speaker 3: it was just relaxed and the way that the whole

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Speaker 3: audience had seventy thousand people singing look Back in Anger

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Speaker 3: and Wonder Wall and all the songs the Gallagher Boys

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Speaker 3: didn't have to sing, all the choruses, the audience.

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Speaker 1: Seventy thousand helpers. Yeah, oh my gosh, we do want

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Speaker 1: to talk social media, but just quickly paying tribute also

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Speaker 1: to John Laws this morning elbow.

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Speaker 3: John Laws was a legend. He was such an extraordinary

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Speaker 3: figure in Australian's lives. My mum never missed and would

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Speaker 3: change her loyalty agents when John Laws changed, and he

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Speaker 3: was terrific to talk to. I spoke to him many

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Speaker 3: times as PM and as Leader of the Opposition and

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Speaker 3: as Minister, going back a long long way, and you

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Speaker 3: could just have a genuine conversation with him, and he

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Speaker 3: was interesting. He allowed you to speak. He had strong

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Speaker 3: views that he would put himself, but it was a

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Speaker 3: genuine conversation and I don't think there'll be another like him,

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Speaker 3: certainly to be on top for such a long period

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Speaker 3: of time.

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Speaker 2: Did you fear him at all Albout going on his show,

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Speaker 2: and what was he like when the mic was off.

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Speaker 3: Albout It was terrific. Had we had a couple of

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Speaker 3: lunches in recent times there he lived on the wharf

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Speaker 3: there at Willemloo and you'd go to a restaurant under

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Speaker 3: there and he was just terrific company. He had a

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Speaker 3: real insight into history and into politics and into Australians

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Speaker 3: in the way that they felt about issues. He was

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Speaker 3: a true patriot. He really loved his country and that

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Speaker 4: And the beautiful sound of that voice, Oh, I know,

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Speaker 4: I think it actually reminds me of growing up. Mum

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Speaker 4: and Dad would always have the radio on on the

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Speaker 4: top of the fridge at home in Campbelltown, and that

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Speaker 4: it reminds me of just growing up at home with

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Speaker 4: mum and dad. I think I mean no offense Prime Minister,

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Speaker 4: but I think Mum and Dad often thought that John

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Speaker 4: Laws should run the country.

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Speaker 5: Do you know he was one of those you know, alone,

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Speaker 5: alone and guess what in party did help to run

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Speaker 5: the country because these views mattered.

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Speaker 3: Of course, they reflected the views of his audience, and

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Speaker 3: so he was big in the city and in the country,

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Speaker 3: of course, he even in recent times when he was

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Speaker 3: new regional New South Wales and Queensland and had a

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Speaker 3: loyal audience for who'd been listening to him for many,

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Speaker 3: many decades.

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister, I want to share some stories just to

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Speaker 1: touch on the social media laws and the change. Where

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Speaker 1: are a month away? It's an important date today as

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Speaker 1: we one month today, one month really important. But just

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Speaker 1: quickly Fits and Kate, who weren't in New York, can

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Speaker 1: I just describe to you and Prime Minister, I think

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Speaker 1: reflecting on this was quite a moment when we turned

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Speaker 1: up to old mates. And my understanding is Prime Minister,

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Speaker 1: there was some Australian security with you, and there's also

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Speaker 1: some security that the Americans offer up now. Nobody touches

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Speaker 1: a prime in as to our president or a head

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Speaker 1: of state. When our Prime Minister walks into an Australian pub,

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Speaker 1: every person tries to hug him. And you should have

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Speaker 1: seen the size of these blokes as they panicked to

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Speaker 1: try and get controlled. That was fascinating to see elbow.

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Speaker 3: The Secret Service will never be the same again.

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Speaker 2: It's everyone's dream though to rock up to a pub

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Speaker 2: and they shut down the whole street just for you know.

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Speaker 1: That was amazing.

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Speaker 3: Well that is that is what they do. There was

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Speaker 3: a lot of them and we got ever dreamers to

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Speaker 3: was essentially the whole way through. We've got the police

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Speaker 3: air through the through to the pub with the Secret

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Speaker 3: Service and they tend to have a lot more security

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Speaker 3: then in Australia. And I'm going to say one of

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Speaker 3: the things that old mates is you get to play

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Speaker 3: a couple of songs and there's pre beer while those

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Speaker 3: two songs are playing. Again, I'm not sure what the

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Speaker 3: Secret Service thought of everyone's singing along the k sand

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Speaker 3: but most importantly singing singing the bits that aren't actually

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Speaker 3: part of the song too. Am I ever going to

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Speaker 3: see your paper?

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Speaker 1: You know? There was another great moment where I said

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Speaker 1: to the Prime Minister albo the team, he wants you

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Speaker 1: to ring the bell and he goes, what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: And I said, well you ring the bell and then

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Speaker 1: then you shout the bar and it's free beer for

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Speaker 1: two songs and albow you turned to me and said

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Speaker 1: we can't have the taxpayer shouting free bee and I

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Speaker 1: went no, no, no, the pub's going to shout the beer.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, and he said, right, let's ring the bell.

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Speaker 1: Then that was an amazing moment. Cut to December ten, though,

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister once again saluting the government's commitment to what

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Speaker 1: this means for the wellness of our teenagers in giving

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Speaker 1: them a chance to get to know themselves before the

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Speaker 1: rest of the world does.

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Speaker 3: On December ten, it will be so important. We had

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Speaker 3: a young Tasmanian twelve year old girl who was delightful

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Speaker 3: into Parliament last week and what she has done for

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Speaker 3: her peers. She asked all of them to write down

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Speaker 3: on the blackboard at school, but she had a whiteboard

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Speaker 3: up in Parliament what they could do instead of being

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Speaker 3: on their devices. So everything from play sport to learner

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Speaker 3: an instrument to talk to friends.

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Speaker 1: Love that.

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Speaker 3: It was just fantastic. And on December ten is a

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Speaker 3: big date. You might have seen we've started the advertising

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Speaker 3: campaign so that people are conscious of it. This is

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Speaker 3: about letting kids be kids, but it's also about empowering

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Speaker 3: parents to have those conversations with their young ones. And

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Speaker 3: the great thing about this I think is more sudden

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Speaker 3: anything o'ver ever soon. This is a grassroots movement that's

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Speaker 3: come from the bottom up. Particularly has come from parents

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Speaker 3: who have gone through tragic circumstances lots of the young

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Speaker 3: trying to make sure that doesn't happen to others. So

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Speaker 3: December tenth will be an important date and the government

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Speaker 3: is busy preparing. We've been engaging, of course with the

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Speaker 3: social media companies and making sure that they're very conscious

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Speaker 3: of the fact that they have a social responsibility as well.

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Speaker 1: Just quickly, a lot of the feedback and we spoke

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Speaker 1: to Anika Well's Communications minister about this also, a lot

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Speaker 1: of the feedback has been now this is the government's

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Speaker 1: attempt to create a digital idea so they can steal

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Speaker 1: more information. I see it over and over again. Anika

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Speaker 1: Wells confirmed that's not the case. I think it would

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Speaker 1: just help for the Australian people to also hear you

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Speaker 1: confirm that's not the cases you've said before.

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Speaker 3: It is certainly not the case. This is about giving

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Speaker 3: people power back to families and this is not about government.

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Speaker 3: This is about people and looking after our youngest Australians.

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Speaker 3: One of the issues that people are conscious of is

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Speaker 3: that a young person under this age it doesn't have

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Speaker 3: the capacity to discern some of what is real are

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Speaker 3: And human brain development occurs in those early years and

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Speaker 3: it is just about giving them back their childhood as

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Speaker 3: that is as simple as that. And we want people

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Speaker 3: to be protected. And I noticed well that Denmark is joined.

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Speaker 1: That's great.

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Speaker 3: This is something that at the United Nations, the wonderful

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Speaker 3: assembly that we had there that were so well attended.

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Speaker 3: This is something that is a global problem. Australia is

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Speaker 3: leading the way. We should be proud of that and

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Speaker 3: proud of the fact that it is families themselves who

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Speaker 3: have led this campaign, ably assisted by people like Whipper

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Speaker 3: who's been just fantastic at showing courage and speaking out

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Speaker 3: and organizing the petitions in the campaign and in one

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Speaker 2: We're on there. You gotta roll with it, you like

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Speaker 2: William Gallagher saying on Friday night, you gotta roll with.

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Speaker 1: It, roll with it, Prime Minister.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely wonderful to hear you boys.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, made appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks very much. Guys have a great day.

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