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Speaker 1: August twenty two to twenty twenty five. Despite a convincing

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Speaker 1: after an incredible nineteen seasons with the club and three

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Speaker 1: this point was far from easy.

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Speaker 2: I'm am Middleton and this is head game today.

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Speaker 1: Travis boke on growing up in a footy madhousehold, the

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Speaker 1: pain of losing his father at a young age, and

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Speaker 1: the length he went to between sure peak performance. You've

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Speaker 3: Mate. It's been about five weeks since five or six

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Speaker 3: been a busy but kind of enjoyable last little period.

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Speaker 3: I spoke an event the other night and they asked

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Speaker 1: So yes, mate, yes, it's only it's only gonna get

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Speaker 1: bigger and bigger and bigger. Mate. So I've literally got

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Speaker 1: And how you taken to it?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, the first few weeks kind of

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Speaker 3: from that moment I kind of just went on holidays,

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Speaker 3: I did a lap of honor and got to say

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: So it's it's a weird one. I don't have a

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Speaker 3: I need to find something pretty quick.

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Speaker 1: Listen, mate, we've snapped you up straight away. And you

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Speaker 1: Done, you're happy to be retiring and you know you've

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Speaker 3: And you know what? Like it was? It was a

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Speaker 3: funny one. So like as soon as I announced my retirement,

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Speaker 3: I was pumped. I was like, sweet, weight off the shoulders,

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Speaker 3: I'm good, Like my body's cooked. I can't do it anymore.

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Speaker 3: The finals come around, we'll watching it on TV, and

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Speaker 3: And then come Grand Final Day, which is like, I

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Speaker 3: that was the moment that I was like, shit, am

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Speaker 1: Where it all began, because as I was reading up

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Speaker 3: And that was kind of me, it was, But most

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Speaker 2: Was playing from cricket.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was playing from cricket from cricket. So

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Speaker 1: Well because of the stress fracture on your back, So

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Speaker 3: I was hardly got injured, really, I had no soft

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of that's quite forward thinking because back

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Speaker 3: Mate, honestly, per and my only career. I was like,

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Speaker 1: You mentioned when you were sixteen you had the stress

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Speaker 1: And how did he take to the transition. Was he

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Speaker 1: supportive or you know, was he like, I stick to

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Speaker 3: Quite old, you know it was he was so good,

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's yeah, you're sort of vee of off, don't you.

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Speaker 1: you've been on multiple tours in the military when you're

437
00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,080
Speaker 1: at the top, top level, and then you're no longer

438
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,360
Speaker 1: on the pursuit of excellence because you found it. You're

439
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,120
Speaker 1: just fine tuning along the way. You know, you're trying

440
00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 1: to find tune who you are. You're trying to fine

441
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,000
Speaker 1: tune absolutely everything. And you said it to perfection, right,

442
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 1: and it is so hard, and it's so it's so

443
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 1: drain to keep fine tuning because you can overtune yourself.

444
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 3: Like, did you ever get to a point in the

445
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,399
Speaker 3: military where you were so tight and so wound up

446
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 3: that you know you couldn't see or think as clear

447
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,679
Speaker 3: as you what would possibly like to getting to a

448
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,159
Speaker 3: point where you just like felt complete freedom. You were

449
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 3: just seeing things and like hearing things a lot different

450
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 3: and your your communication was better, all right, Like you

451
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,120
Speaker 3: felt the same thing.

452
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, mate, Yeah, you're so you're so honed in,

453
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 1: you're so focused. But I think that goes down to

454
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: a level of obsession, you know, to get to that level.

455
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 1: It's almost like you're obsessed because you were known as

456
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 1: the best trainer that you know, the best preparer in

457
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 1: the AFL, and it's just like preparation, preparation, preparation, no train, train, train,

458
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 1: and it is, it becomes, and it has to become,

459
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 1: in my eyes, an obsession where you live and breathe

460
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 1: it to almost find that perfect harmony where your body

461
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 1: is functioning on all cylinders, where you're at perfect harmony

462
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 1: with yourself. Everything feels like it's flowing nicely. But it's

463
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 1: just the maintenance of that. It's it's keeping that up

464
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 1: without the distractions coming in. And you know, that's what

465
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 1: I mentioned about your father because a lot of listeners

466
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: will can relate to that, you know, losing someone they love,

467
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: a pivotfual point in their career or in in their life.

468
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: And you said after that, you weren't even drafted then,

469
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, and for you to be drafted after that

470
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 1: and to use your mindset, you know, to to your advantage.

471
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: How how hard was it to do that? When did

472
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: that first draft come come along? And how hard was

473
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 1: it to get there?

474
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 3: It was? Yeah, it was. It was tricky. So like

475
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 3: early days. So I got drafted when I was aiding

476
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 3: and moved straight away into state and I honestly think

477
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 3: that was one of the best things that happened to me,

478
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 3: Like I could have stayed in July. I would have

479
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 3: been around my family, would have been a little bit easier.

480
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 3: It would have been a little bit maybe bubble wrapped

481
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 3: in a sense, right, like I was comfortable all that

482
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. Like I literally had to move into State.

483
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 3: I was eighteen years old, lost my dad about a

484
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 3: year before that, like a lot of pain going on

485
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 3: that I literally just had to bury it at the

486
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 3: time and and and.

487
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 2: Just go what you've done? Did you bury it?

488
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 3: I had to bury it, man, And that's that's literally

489
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 3: what I did. And like, looking back on it now,

490
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 3: it's not the right thing to do, and being able

491
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 3: to talk about it's so much better. But that's what

492
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 3: I did at the time, and that's what helped me.

493
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 3: I wouldn't change it, right, Like, that's that's what made

494
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 3: me who I am. And that moment, like that's the

495
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 3: kid that needed that right then. And I was just like,

496
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to put it aside. This

497
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 3: is my dream. I'm going to go after it. Everything

498
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 3: that I'd been taught from Dad was there and it

499
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 3: was in me. I now just had to go chase

500
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,719
Speaker 3: my dream and be that person that I wanted to be.

501
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 3: But there was that that feeling underneath of you know,

502
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 3: with shame and guilt and pain and all that kind

503
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 3: of stuff was there. It was bubbling away, but it

504
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 3: wasn't there. And I just was so focused and narrowed

505
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 3: in on being the football and I did it all

506
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 3: hoping that Dad would be proud, and that's kind of

507
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 3: what the drive was. And you know, every game that

508
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 3: I ran out on the ground, I looked up to

509
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 3: the sky and just was like, Dad, I hope you're

510
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 3: watching kind of thing, right. So a lot of it

511
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 3: was to make him proud. And the thing that I

512
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 3: learned later in my career was he wouldn't be proud

513
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: of as the footballer as much as he would be

514
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 3: of the person. And I think that's the thing that

515
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 3: changed and allowed a lot more freedom. But in saying that,

516
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 3: like early days, it got me to a point where

517
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 3: I learned a lot about how to train right, how

518
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: to prepare right, how to get to a level of

519
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: high performance. And I think that's the journey that I

520
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 3: needed to go on right Like it was something that

521
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 3: was a challenge, but it allowed me to understand a

522
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: level that I had to get to and then got

523
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 3: to a point where Okay, now I can take off

524
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 3: this arm, or I can take off this way. Now

525
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 3: we can go to another level.

526
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Speaker 1: And how much personal sacrifice and self discipline does it

527
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: require to get to the level that you got to

528
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: and to not only get to that level, mate, but

529
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: to maintain it.

530
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's that The maintenance part is the hard one, right.

531
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 3: You learn a lot early days and you're twenty one,

532
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 3: twenty two, Like I was still going out, Like I

533
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: would play on Saturday. I'd go out till you know,

534
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 3: three or four am after it came, you know, and

535
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 3: I'd be fine Monday, no worries.

536
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: Then you can get away with it.

537
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember doing the same mate, coming back

538
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: after the weekend, is waking up on Monday morning, go

539
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: for an eight mile run.

540
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: I get back and I can't even remember the run.

541
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: You know.

542
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: They're like, you know, you.

543
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: Know, it's like I can't even remember it. You know,

544
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: it's sobering up in the in the afternoon, you know, yeah.

545
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 3: Exactly, like you're fine, You're a young kid. Can get

546
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: away with it and just do it, or just do

547
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 3: it all again. You just don't repeat.

548
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: We don't recommend it, guys. So those listening. We don't

549
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: recommend it, but that was back in the that's exactly

550
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: what we've done. You know, you you just crack on

551
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: right exactly.

552
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 3: It wasn't until later in my career I was like,

553
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: you know what, I can't keep doing this if I

554
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 3: want to get to a level. And you know, that's

555
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 3: when I started to track a lot of data a

556
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: lot more, like I was tracking my sleep. I was

557
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: down to journal a lot more. I hardly ever went out,

558
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,959
Speaker 3: like literally, I was like straight to training, catch up

559
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 3: with friends a cafe and then be home.

560
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: Was there a moment that caused that that where you

561
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: decided to go right, I'm going to start tracking, I'm

562
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: going to start sleeping.

563
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: Well, yep.

564
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: Was there a pivotal moment that that happened or did

565
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: you just you just fed up with going out?

566
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 3: Well it was a bit of both, right, Like, so

567
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 3: it was the moment that it hit me was twenty seventeen.

568
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 3: So twenty seventeen, I was like in my second last

569
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 3: year as captain of the club. I would have been

570
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: about twenty eight years old. I'd been two time All

571
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: Australian until that point, and so it had still a

572
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: pretty decent career until then, like pretty successful in terms

573
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: of where I'd got to. I remember like vividly, like

574
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 3: and it's in the book that I was sitting in

575
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: the in the gym. It was probably like a couple

576
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: of games to go, and we're about to go into

577
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 3: off season. I think we end up playing a final

578
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 3: that he went straight out and we end up I

579
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: remember speaking to Eve mchughwan Hell was our head of

580
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: high performance at the time, and I was like, man,

581
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: you know what, like I'm sick of doing going in

582
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: the off season and I'm just going to go run

583
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: and do gym like everyone does it. Like I'm sick

584
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 3: of it. Like I want to get better. I want

585
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: to get one percent better than everyone else in some

586
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: other capacity. And so that was the moment that somehow

587
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 3: in the in the gym, in that moment, I was like,

588
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: you know what, I want to do something with more

589
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: purpose than just you know, just training just to train, right.

590
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 3: I want to train and learn more, be curious and

591
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 3: open to being this absolute beast of it, you know,

592
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: professional that I can just get the most out of

593
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: myself in some way. And he's like, well, let's start

594
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 3: in the off season, and he linked me up with

595
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: this guy over in the States that that I started

596
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: training with in twenty seventeen until basically until I retired.

597
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 3: So I was going into more depth into understanding my

598
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 3: body a lot more. I was training with a different purpose.

599
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 3: So every time I did a gym exercise in the gym,

600
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: like await exercise, I know exactly why I'm doing it.

601
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: It's for this stoppage, it's for this contest. So there

602
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: was that level of detail that I was getting into.

603
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: And then from that moment as well, I started doing

604
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 3: a lot more stuff with Red Bull, So I was

605
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 3: introduced to people like MiG Fanning, Scotty James Corey tooons

606
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 3: like these guys are at the elite of their sport

607
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 3: and just picking their brains and how do you do that?

608
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 3: How do you do that? And then all of a sudden,

609
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 3: you go from you know, an eighty five ninety percent

610
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: athlete to just understanding a little bit more about how

611
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: the elite of the elite do it right, and you're

612
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: just adding these elements into it. Then you know, your

613
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 3: sleep comes in. I started to I had this book

614
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 3: that in twenty nineteen that I did. I would just

615
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: journal everything my whole week. From the Sunday, I would

616
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: write down the three things that you can work on

617
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: in your mind, your body, and my craft. And I'd

618
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: literally write it down at the start of the week,

619
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: like and just tick it off as the week went

620
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: on and reviewed every day, and then by the end

621
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: of the week, I could go the night before a game,

622
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: I would sit there and go over all these little

623
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 3: ticks that I'd done in those three spaces, right, So

624
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: I'd done like four ice bars, four saunas, I got

625
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: three massages for the week. I stretched, I did Yogo

626
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: di pilarates all that's written there, and I could see

627
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 3: it the night before a game and go, I just

628
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: done all that. I'm so ready to go, Like there

629
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 3: was the headline was over prepared, right, So it was

630
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 3: I was more prepared than anyone else. And so I

631
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 3: mean none of this stuff before that, it was just

632
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: progressively got better. But that moment was twenty seven am, well,

633
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm sick of just being this level.

634
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: Let's go to an one SENI one cent here. And

635
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: it kind of got to the point where I was

636
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: just obsessed. And I think we see as obsession is

637
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: a bad word, right, but I don't think it is

638
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: like we're obsessed about something that we care about. And

639
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: I think my purpose of obsession went from I'm doing

640
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: it for other people's validation and opinions to obsession about

641
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: how far can I go? Where can I take this?

642
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: You know? And that's like an internal drive, right, And

643
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: that's just like the change, So you don't necessarily have

644
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: to challenge a goal or an outcome, it's just why

645
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: you're doing it. What's the purpose behind?

646
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: Yes, it's almost flipping that, like you said, that external

647
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: validation on becoming Actually, I'm just going to become one

648
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: percent better than I was, you know, I'm going to

649
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: be better, I'm going to do better. I'm just going

650
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: to become a better version of myself and that will

651
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: then translate into the outside world no matter what you're doing,

652
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: rather than seeking that validation from the external and making

653
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: it fit into the eternal. It's right, how can I

654
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: be better? How can I improve? How can I be

655
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more flexible? And again, at that level,

656
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: it is literally nicking those one percent, those zero point

657
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: five percent, even though zero point two percents along the way,

658
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: isn't it.

659
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: One hundred percent? And the thing is like It's not

660
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: just in sport, right Like, you could be in any

661
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: profession that you want to do. But you're just being

662
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: the best version of yourself, whether you turn up as

663
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: a nurse, you turn up as a teacher, you turn

664
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: up as as whatever it is, I want to be

665
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: the best I possibly can to, then go do it

666
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: in this form, right So, and that's that's kind of

667
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: where we talk about you. You're the human being. You're

668
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: you're literally doing it for the human being to turn

669
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: up as whatever the doing may be. You know, could

670
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 3: be on a battlefield, it could be in a game

671
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: of sport, it could be in a hospital, it could

672
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: be in in a in a kindergarten or whatever it is,

673
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: right like, but you're just showing up as your true self,

674
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: but just exploring ways and the potential is like it

675
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: just feels like it's it's unlimited, right, There's just so

676
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: many cool ways to explore it. But the reason behind

677
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: it has to be internal.

678
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: And also as a as a leader, as a captain,

679
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: which you were, you know, you're also setting an example.

680
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: You're all you know, talk about teamwork. You know, you're

681
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: you're you're you're showing people without even telling them that

682
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: This is how you become a bit of version of yourself.

683
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: This is how you know you can look to inspire

684
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: to to be in your position.

685
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: Because I suppose.

686
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: Everyone in that in that realm, you know, would love

687
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: to be a leader, would love to be a captain.

688
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: How much pressure was it having and we talk about posession,

689
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: how much pressure was it to to to maintain such

690
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: levels during your career because you had a great long career.

691
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: You know, you you're a.

692
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: Captain, you're a leader for the majority of it. How

693
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: much pressure is that and how did you manage that pressure?

694
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's it's such a good question because, like

695
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: you know, we talked about pressure a lot, and early days,

696
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: my perception of pressure was like, Okay, I have to perform,

697
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: I have to do this, I have to do that.

698
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: And there was an expectation of me that was out

699
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: of my control. So that creates pressure to perform. And

700
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: so early days there was just like, shit, I'm going

701
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: to leave up to that standard. You have a good year.

702
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: Now I've got to do it again. Now I've got

703
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 3: to do it again. So that became you know, it's

704
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: good to a point, but then it's like you have

705
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: to let that go. You have to let expectation go

706
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: to allow yourself to grow and be the version of

707
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: yourself that you want to be. Right Like, you can't

708
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 3: perform to a level of someone else's expectation. You can

709
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: only perform and focus on your level of expectation and

710
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: that comes from within. And the thing that I learned

711
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: about that was, Okay, well, I can't control how I'm

712
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 3: going to play, Like the outcome. I don't know if

713
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,239
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have thirty five and kick two or if

714
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to have eighteen and kick none. Right, Like,

715
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: that was an outcome that was out of my control.

716
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: But how can I give myself the best chance to

717
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: succeed and perform at a highest level and do those things?

718
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: And that's when the whole preparation needs to be so

719
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: dialed in. That's where I had to really understand who

720
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: I was as a person and then as an athlete.

721
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: And you literally got to block out all the noise. Right,

722
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: this is going to be people telling you he's done

723
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: this now they're you know, on sports betting and stuff.

724
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: Rather he's going to have twenty five. There's a line there,

725
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: so you know he should get twenty five and there's

726
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: fans saying all this kind of stuff. There's just so

727
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: much external noise, and if you focus in on external noise,

728
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: you're literally at the hands of other people's expectations and

729
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: it is a horrible place to be in because literally

730
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: you're just performing for them. So you're not going to

731
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: go into a contest, you're not going to go and

732
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: take some sort of risk with a kick because you

733
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: can't fail right, or you can't make a mistake because

734
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: these people are made an expectation of you and you're

735
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: worried about it. So my change went from again external

736
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: pressures of performers, you have to play this way, you

737
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: have to lead this way, you have to win all

738
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff, to okay, well, what can I control?

739
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 3: What's my internal expectation? My internal expectation one hundred percent

740
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: block that out and it's not even a blocking it out,

741
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 3: it's allowing it to be there. But you're just so

742
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: focus on what you love and what you can control

743
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: that it doesn't matter. And this is just a process

744
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: right for people going well, it's easy for someone you

745
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: know in a high performance place to get there. It's

746
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: literally just about self exploration and you know, allowing yourself

747
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: to really discover your internal dialogue and what you believe

748
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: in and and doing it for the internal reasons, and

749
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: then setting up a process of okay, now what does

750
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 3: it look like? So I was just so focused on

751
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: my preparation of Okay, this is how my week has

752
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: to look, and this is how I wanted to look.

753
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 3: It might not go perfectly, but this is how I

754
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: wanted to look. And then, knowing who I was as

755
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: a footballer, well, if I if I run to this

756
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: many contests, if I do like contest work really well,

757
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: you know, take the game on, I'm going to perform

758
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: at a high level. All that stuffs in my control.

759
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, the pressure goes right,

760
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: like you're literally gone from external noise to the internal

761
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: dialogue and noise of who you are, and that's where

762
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: the pressure goes. So that kind of went and you know,

763
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: it goes up and downs, like you're not going to

764
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: be perfect all the time, right, There's going to be

765
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: times where you know you might be crooked you on

766
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: the way, or you didn't get enough sleep, and some

767
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: stuff creeps in, and you know, the external noise gets

768
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: a bit louder, but that's why you're completely around you.

769
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: How important is the mindfulness stuff?

770
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: You know?

771
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: For me, the mindfulness stuff is for me the key

772
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: to consistency. You know, you can only hit a certain

773
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: level level physically. Physically, physically, you can only get beaten

774
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: up so many times, only battered so many times until

775
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: you really need to sort of switch it up. And

776
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: I am that's what I used to do on operations.

777
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: I used to switch up the physical with the with

778
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: the psychological. It seems like that you your mindfulness as well.

779
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: You know, you're, like you said, noting down what you've

780
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: done be taken on board, you know, psychologically, going right,

781
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: I've done enough preparing yourself. How important is that one

782
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: for consistency? Because I find that if you can have

783
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: that psychological resilience and that mindfulness, then that helps with consistency.

784
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: How important is the mindfulness stuff? And when did you

785
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: really start tapping into that?

786
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: Man? The mindful of stuff is the key you at all.

787
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: I think, like, as you said, like there's a level

788
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: of performance and physical you can get to that takes

789
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 3: you to a level of performance, but the mind will

790
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: take you so much more. And I think the biggest

791
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 3: thing that I started to learn about mindfulness was is

792
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: the things and the thoughts and the motions and the

793
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: feelings that come in. You don't need to block them out,

794
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: like you don't need to go oh, this is not

795
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: good enough, like go way, anxiety, go away for your

796
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: go away this, you know what I mean? Like, it's

797
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: the whole thing about mindfulness that I found was and

798
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: I used the three a's right, this is something I

799
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: kind of came up with my mindfulness coach. That number

800
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: one was allow like our things to be as they are,

801
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 3: like the things that are outside of my control. So

802
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: allow things to come in, allow emotions to come in,

803
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: whatever arises at the time, accept them for what they are,

804
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: and that it could just be a feeling, could be

805
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: a moment in a game that's not going right. Just

806
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: accept it. I can't change it. I can't control it.

807
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: And then alter like the last one was altered. Okay,

808
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: let's alter what I can. How can I change this

809
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: moment with something that's in my control? And you know,

810
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: if that's in a game of footy that you know

811
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: the stoppage isn't going right. What can I alter about this?

812
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: Where we can bring another player in, we can we

813
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: can manipulate it in some other way, right, or you

814
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: know the defenders aren't going as well or the forwards, well,

815
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: I can alter it by going down and have a

816
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: conversation with them, like build them back up, whatever it is.

817
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 3: So I think that was kind of what helped me

818
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 3: a lot, because I think early days and I didn't

819
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: really understand a lot about feelings and emotions that I

820
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 3: was trying so hard to block out everything and I

821
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: just wasn't allowing anything to come in and just let

822
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: myself be be human, and that just made everything worse,

823
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: Like it would amplify the anxiety, would amplify the fear,

824
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 3: amplify the shame, whatever it was that I just I

825
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: just didn't allow it. At the moment I allowed and

826
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: just said, hang on, that's just some boys in my head.

827
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: That's just trying to protect me from something. Okay, that's cool,

828
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: no worries, Like let's let's move forward. It just sort

829
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: of vanished, right, It started to dissipate, and then I

830
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: could alter what I could. And yeah, so those three

831
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: three a's kind of allowed me to then just just

832
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 3: relax so much more. And I think the thing to

833
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 3: longevity and most of the time like you get injured,

834
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: you start getting sore, all that kind of stuff, right,

835
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 3: But I honestly think if you can relax your mind,

836
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: be comfortable with an environment, and just feel okay with yourself,

837
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 3: like you know, your heart rate drops, you feel level

838
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: of calm within your body, all of a sudden, your

839
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: stress goes away, Like stress starts to just disappear from

840
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: your body, and injuries like like that's what happens. Injuries

841
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 3: happen and all that kind of stuff from a lot

842
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: of stress, and that's how we start to get fatigued.

843
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: And I just felt myself just feeling so much more

844
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 3: relaxed within my body that you know, in my I

845
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: was like, I'm never going to get injured. And that's

846
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 3: just the mentality I eventually got to because I just

847
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: allowed everything and just like it's okay, I'll work through it.

848
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: And I don't know how you if you had those

849
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: moments on a battlefield.

850
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 2: Right mate, exactly.

851
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: It just gave me a little goosebumps there because I

852
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: said exactly the same to myself. I went onto a

853
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: mission and I always said to myself, I'm going to

854
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: be on that helicopter home. You know that I'm never

855
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: going to get shot. I'm never going to get injured.

856
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: And you know I planted that in my head or

857
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: I never allowed it a loud those seas of doubt

858
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: to enter my mind. And you just said you believe

859
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: it's what kept you away from injury. It's so powerful.

860
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: The power of a positive mindset is invaluable.

861
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: Right mate, And like I honestly think what you think

862
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: and what you believe like does happen and does come

863
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: to fruition right Like again, like if you're constantly thinking

864
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: about making a mistake or I can't make a mistake,

865
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: like you're so far because on that, then that's just

866
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: what happens. The belief thing is just something that it's not.

867
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: It's not a thing of like this is how it's

868
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 3: going to happen, like it has to happen this way.

869
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: It's just I know what will happen, and whatever happens

870
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: along that path to that result, I'll work through it.

871
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: But that's just what's going to happen, like it's And

872
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: I think that's that's a bit of the allowance and

873
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: the acceptance part of it. There's it's okay, like things

874
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: might happen in a game. You know what I might

875
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: get knocked in one, but it just doesn't matter, like

876
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: and then the mind just takes over and it's just

877
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 3: such a powerful thing. And I don't think we understand

878
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: you know, how powerful it can be, certainly in sport

879
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 3: and in life. That you you work more on your mind,

880
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 3: I guarantee the body will follow.

881
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the reason why I ask it is because

882
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: you know people will try and play with your mind.

883
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: They try and play mind games on you. You know,

884
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: when you were absolute top dog and you know, smashing it,

885
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: rival clubs obviously were coming in and they were after you, right,

886
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: they were trying to pull you from left to right

887
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: and get you. And you know there's there must be

888
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: if it was for me anyway, there's a sense of

889
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: ego there that that comes out every now and then.

890
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: And then you know you're being thrown everything, everything's been

891
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: put on a plate for you, being offered to you.

892
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: How did you keep all of that at Bay? And again,

893
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: this is why I tapped on the mindset stuff, because

894
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: you know it's not it's not a distraction. It's actually

895
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: people saying, right, we want you on our team, we

896
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: want you to to come over, We're going to offer

897
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: you this and that.

898
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: How hard is it to keep that? At bay Man?

899
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 3: It's Boddy hard like hard, right, Like we all got

900
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: an ego, Like we all get you know, we all

901
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 3: get our ego tick advice you know somewhere right like

902
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 3: and it's you do right, you get things. You get

903
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: things thrown at you everywhere you go, and it's it's

904
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: a challenge like and for sure there was moments where

905
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 3: it was like, you know, I'm doing pretty good here

906
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 3: right Like, I'm on the top of my game. You know,

907
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: I'm getting paid. Well, We've got these sponsorships coming in.

908
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: You go out, you get recognized, People want photos, people

909
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: want like you can buy into all that stuff, and

910
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 3: that's that's the tricky thing, right It then becomes your identity,

911
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: like that's who you are. You are this this version

912
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: of a football or athlete or whatever it is that

913
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: that people love. And if you get so attached to that,

914
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: it becomes so bloody dangerous and then that affects performance

915
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: because you're doing it for that. You know. I was

916
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: lucky my like, I had an amazing upbringing with my

917
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 3: mum and dad. They had really good values. I learned

918
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 3: a lot from them, and that certainly helped so much

919
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: for me in terms of facing these things. You know,

920
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: accept these things coming in, right, they're good, like you

921
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: deserve them, Like you've got to a level of performance

922
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: where you're getting paid well, people are offering you these

923
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: deals and all that kind of stuff. But the biggest

924
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 3: thing that I would learn and I've learned, is is

925
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 3: it in the lane of your purpose? Is it in

926
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: the lane of where you're going? And if it falls

927
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 3: into you know, I'm just doing it to get recognized

928
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: for some validation, and then you know it's probably outside

929
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 3: of the journey that you're going on, and it comes

930
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 3: back to like why are we doing what we're doing?

931
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 3: And that's that's back to that that childhood football and cricket.

932
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 3: They were just wanted to be the best they possibly could,

933
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: and you know, I'd get distracted and it's just like, Okay,

934
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: what is my lane? And everything in my lane is

935
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: like about purpose if it's if it's outside of that,

936
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: and I've got to recognize if it's outside of that,

937
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: i gotta let it go. And I can accept these

938
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 3: things coming in, but I'm still on the journey of

939
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: this is where I want to go, and that's the

940
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: lane I got to stay in so literally leaning into purpose,

941
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 3: leaning into my why if it didn't fit in with

942
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: that then and then it didn't it didn't come with me,

943
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

944
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: Make fair play to you for for you know, pushing

945
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: off those temptations and.

946
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: Stick into it. I know it all too well.

947
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: Mate, It's like, come over to this side, do this,

948
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: We're paying, We're all for you this, we're all few that, And.

949
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you know I wouldn't.

950
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: You know, you can't lie that You've had a couple

951
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: of thoughts about it, and you know the temptation is

952
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: pulling you again. This is where you know, this is

953
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: where the headspace comes in, right, this is where your

954
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: mindset comes in. And why why it's so important and

955
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: why I've elaborated so much on you know, ultimately becoming

956
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: the best version of yourself on this on this episode,

957
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, I was expecting to be talking about free

958
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: but we've gotten down this rabbit hole self development, self progressive.

959
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: I love it because this is ultimately you can put

960
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: this to any any career, any any individual, and it's

961
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: it's been a great conversation. But when did the record

962
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: for the long standing record come onto your radar because

963
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: you're you became the first Port Adelaide player to record

964
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty AFL games.

965
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: Did it excite you?

966
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: Did it?

967
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: Did you think? Or was it just one of those

968
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 2: that just came along with the journey?

969
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: Honestly, not really like a number in footy to me,

970
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: a number of games. So I end up retiring on

971
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 3: three hundred and eighty something. So I played one more season.

972
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 3: I could have got to four hundred, but and people

973
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: ask me, you know, did you want to go one

974
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 3: more to play four hundred? But I'm like, well, it's

975
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: a number at the end of the day, man, Like

976
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: we're all going to get forgotten at some point. You know,

977
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: my identity is not going to be wrapped up in

978
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 3: if I played three hundred and eighty or or four hundred.

979
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: I wanted it to be, you know, wanted it to

980
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: be more than that in terms of, you know, what

981
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: I left at the club. But so the back end

982
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: of last season, I was, I think it was like

983
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: two games away from passing Russ's record, and it was

984
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: like a AFL cross preseason games thing, So it ended

985
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: up being like three ninety three. Was was that kind

986
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 3: of combined record? And I wasn't told about it until

987
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: the preseason of this year. And so for everyone that

988
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 3: knows Port Adelaide and knows the history of the club,

989
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: Russell e but he is like the god of all

990
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 3: Port Adelaide, right, and so there was honestly why.

991
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: Like he was, he was mate and till Travis came along,

992
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: come on, come on now, go play, I'm not to

993
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: get you in trouble mate, exactly, I'm not buying into it,

994
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: and stay away, stay away.

995
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: But it was it was a great moment, Like I

996
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: loved every minute of it was. It was special the

997
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: club would on the show and it was certainly a

998
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: moment I'll remember forever because we had Brett Ebert, who's

999
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 3: part of the family. I played with him in my

1000
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: early days and he was there, spoke before the games,

1001
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: game a big hope before the game. So it was

1002
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: an awesome moment. But yeah, the game's thing wasn't something

1003
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: that was on my radar, that's for sure. It's cool,

1004
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: like an amazing and I'm so proud of and honored

1005
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 3: to do it for so long, But yeah, I know

1006
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: there was always something more and deeper there that I

1007
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 3: wanted to keep going for you know, and.

1008
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: The reason why I mentioned that is because you know,

1009
00:46:53,800 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: healthy competition within teams, within organizations, units, platoons, whatever you

1010
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: want to call it, is super super positive. How how

1011
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: important is it to have healthy competition where you know

1012
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: you're not competing per se against that individual, but they're

1013
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: they're forcing.

1014
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 2: You to to be even more competitive than you are.

1015
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: Competition is growth, right, and we all just want to

1016
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 3: grow and continue to learn and get better. Is so

1017
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: important to have in a successful environment, like you need

1018
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: to have it and like we we all we all

1019
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: play footy to compete, we compete against the opposition. But

1020
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 3: what what you need to have is is the is

1021
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 3: the thrill of competing within your own environment as you're

1022
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: talking about, and for us, that's during pre season, that's

1023
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: during the season, you know, when you are training, because

1024
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: if you're not challenging me, I'm never going to get better.

1025
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 3: If I'm not challenging you, you're never going to get better.

1026
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: We're going to stay the level of performance that is

1027
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 3: probably not going to be beneficial for anyone at the club.

1028
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 3: So you know, we'd we'd have training sessions where and

1029
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: we've got some psycho competitors like guys I just love

1030
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: competing just to just to challenge each other and it's

1031
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 3: so much fun and you end up having so much

1032
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: banter with it. But then you walk off the track

1033
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: and you're like, man, that was so much fun. Like

1034
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: you go have lunch with the bloke, like it's so good.

1035
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: Where like where in the middle of a stoppage and

1036
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 3: you're just like chatting and chirping at each other like

1037
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 3: you would against a opposition on the field, just to

1038
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 3: beat them, like just to win. Like there's there's probably

1039
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 3: a little bit ego and pride there as well, right,

1040
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: like you just want to you just want to win.

1041
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: But absolutely it levels everyone up, as you said, like

1042
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 3: you you're competing to make them better just as much

1043
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: as they're competing to make you better. And I think

1044
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: if you've got that in your environment, you're going to

1045
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 3: be a successful unit. And it's it's it's what makes

1046
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: the great teams great is they've got competitors in there

1047
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 3: that just want to make each individual better and themselves better.

1048
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: Whether it's in the gym, whether it's out on the field,

1049
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 3: whether it's in a team meeting, whatever it is. But

1050
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: there's no malice attached to it. At all, it's just

1051
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 3: a we're here to get better, let's compete to do it.

1052
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: You have two decades functioning at that elite level, which

1053
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: is you know when you say that and you hear that,

1054
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: especially for a footy player or any sort of elite athlete,

1055
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's coh, You've done something right. What's

1056
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: the one contribution factor that you you put this all

1057
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: down to or are there multiple things? Because wow, two

1058
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: decades at that level, mate, that's some feet.

1059
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 3: Oh. Then it goes back to competing again, right, You're

1060
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: competing with yourself and the moment you start just in

1061
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: a good way where you're like, there's going to be times.

1062
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: You're challenging yourself all the time.

1063
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,479
Speaker 3: And it's a fun thing to do. Like there's any times,

1064
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: I mean I don't want to get out of bed,

1065
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: or like I can't do this training session, or you know,

1066
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: we've got a a running test at the start of

1067
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: pre season you're shitting yourself about like I can't do it,

1068
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 3: Like this is going to hurt, this is so painful.

1069
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 3: But you're just like, you know what, I'm gonna I'm

1070
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: going to give this a crack. I'm going to see

1071
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 3: how far I can get like that competition stuff is

1072
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: so powerful within yourself as well, and in a healthy

1073
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: way that you're doing it just to strive for how

1074
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 3: far you can get, not strive to prove someone else

1075
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 3: is point or if they're right or wrong. But the

1076
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 3: probably the biggest thing for me, and the thing that

1077
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: I learned the most, is around identity. You know, what

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Speaker 3: is my identity and and really going on a journey

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Speaker 3: of self discovery of like really understanding who you are,

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Speaker 3: like what is my purpose? Like what is my why?

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Speaker 3: And I honestly think like that's part of the mental game,

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Speaker 3: and all it is is really just peeling back the

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Speaker 3: layers of what society is telling us who we should be,

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Speaker 3: or you know, the pressures of external All it is

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Speaker 3: peeling about the layers. It's not like a big, a

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Speaker 3: big thing that you have to go on like it's okay,

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Speaker 3: who was I when I was that kid? Right when

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Speaker 3: when there was no external noise? Who was I that

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Speaker 3: kid in the backyard playing cricket, playing footy with my dad?

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Speaker 3: You know, go back to those moments, happiest memory, like

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Speaker 3: what did it feel like? And really taping into those

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Speaker 3: moments and then you know, what are the values that

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Speaker 3: I hold, and that's your identity. You start to then

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Speaker 3: start going internal rather than external of performance because you've

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Speaker 3: found out, well, this is who I am. Okay, So

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Speaker 3: I can take the field now, or I can go

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Speaker 3: into an office, I can do whatever, and whatever happens

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Speaker 3: does not reflect on who I am as a person.

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Speaker 3: But I'm going to go out there and be, you know,

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Speaker 3: my most authentic self because I know who I am,

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Speaker 3: and I think that was the biggest thing for me.

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Speaker 1: Mate, No, I love that, and I always say that.

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Speaker 1: People say to me, how do you stay so motivated?

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Speaker 1: And how do you for shonan And it's what you've

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Speaker 1: just said. It's the people look at external goals and

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Speaker 1: external motivation, but it needs to be internal. My internal

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Speaker 1: purpose is to become the best version of who I

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Speaker 1: can be, knowing that I'll never ever get there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll always be chasing that process, right, I'll always be

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Speaker 1: chasing that cabot, knowing that, yeah, I can become better,

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Speaker 1: but I'm never going to be the best version of myself,

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Speaker 1: which the.

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Speaker 3: Journey gives me.

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Speaker 2: And yes, exactly that.

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Speaker 1: And it gives you that internal journey to go on

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Speaker 1: and you look at and you go, how can I

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Speaker 1: do that?

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Speaker 2: And that's where external goals then come in.

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Speaker 1: But it must start with the internal, Travis before we go, mate,

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Speaker 1: because it's been a I could go on for hours

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Speaker 1: with this, because I'm all about the the energy, the external,

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Speaker 1: the internal, the mindset, the the emotional aspect of our

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Speaker 1: beings as well.

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Speaker 2: But you've written a book, haven't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it's so it's been a journey of the

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Speaker 3: last three years just to explore my journey basically. So

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Speaker 3: it's it's literally an autobiography on my journey and literally

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Speaker 3: everything we've spoken about tonight on where it started as

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Speaker 3: a kid, you know, the memories I had as a kid,

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Speaker 3: to then losing dad, you know, as a young kid,

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Speaker 3: and what was my perspective of that moment to then

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Speaker 3: what it is today, and then the journey of everything

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Speaker 3: in between. And I had so many highs and lows

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Speaker 3: during my career. So it's not just about footy and

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Speaker 3: the highs and loads of footy it but a lot

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Speaker 3: to do with the mindset shift of where I was

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Speaker 3: as a young kid, how to get through that to

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Speaker 3: a big change in twenty eighteen, twenty nine of my

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Speaker 3: perspective of who I was in it and basically an

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Speaker 3: identity journey similar to what we spoke about to where

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Speaker 3: I am now, how I view myself, how I view

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Speaker 3: the world, and how I did it. So hopefully it

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Speaker 3: can help some people. They can connect to it in

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Speaker 3: some way and they're going on their own journey of discovery.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, and really it is unlocking the power within.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of everything we've spoken about in terms

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Speaker 3: of what's within us is so powerful that once we

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Speaker 3: stop focusing on that external and we go inside, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's just untapped. Like it's that the journey's so much fun.

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Speaker 1: Lessen Travis May, I could speak to you for hours.

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Speaker 1: All the best with your retirement, buddy, and remember you're

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Speaker 1: always going to be part of it, mate.

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Speaker 2: It's ingrained in your DNA's ingrained in your blood. Is

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Speaker 2: their mate.

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Speaker 1: So whether you're on the picture, off the pitch, you know,

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Speaker 1: whatever you're doing, mate, you're you're inspiring millions of people. Mates,

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Speaker 1: So love it, keep it up and enjoy your time.

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Speaker 3: And dude, appreciate it. Brother. Thank you, great to chat.

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Speaker 1: Travis's book The Power Within is available now. Details on

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Speaker 1: how to get a copy are in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me on this episode of Headgame. If

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode, please share it.

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Speaker 2: With a friend. I'm Att Middleton. See you again next time.