Speaker 1: I get a team. It's a you project. It's Patrick
Speaker 1: and Craig. It's we are officially tipless, which sounds like syphless,
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's we're tipless, not siphless, and straight
Speaker 1: into it. It's Friday here and the thriving metropolis. I'll
Speaker 1: say that again slower for our American listeners.
Speaker 2: Friday.
Speaker 1: It is sixteen minutes past nine in the am. It's
Speaker 1: the thirtieth of the first. We're sliding into February already, Patrick,
Speaker 1: we're already well and truly past the new year, like
Speaker 1: we're into the next month.
Speaker 2: Nelly.
Speaker 3: That just fills me with dread. And you know what,
Speaker 3: it's take two, isn't it. Sorry, that was kind of funny, So.
Speaker 2: Tell everyone what you did to me.
Speaker 3: So Paul Craig is so excited about the intro of
Speaker 3: the show and he gets in there and he does
Speaker 3: his rave and it's sounding great. But he was over
Speaker 3: a termin radio called over modulating. He was yelling so
Speaker 3: much that it was clipping the VU level meter. Craigo,
Speaker 3: if you had a you meet her in front of you,
Speaker 3: it would be belting the red. It would probably smash
Speaker 3: the glass and it would have gone out and it
Speaker 3: would have shattered all over the panel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck you, vu Meter, stick it up your bottom.
Speaker 1: That's why I have you, because you're the tech geek.
Speaker 1: You can go, hey fucking loudy McLoud, start rein it in.
Speaker 1: Just slow it down, lower it down, get back in
Speaker 1: the sweet spot where you're not deafening people.
Speaker 2: I can be.
Speaker 1: I can be a lot like you have to. The
Speaker 1: thing is too when you do it every day right.
Speaker 1: You want to get yourself into a place where like
Speaker 1: you've got good energy, but sometimes that just gets twisted in.
Speaker 2: With the volume.
Speaker 3: I just like to think that when I'm on the show,
Speaker 3: you get more excited.
Speaker 1: I take it asa you know, well, I definitely look
Speaker 1: forward to podcasts with you because you know, this is
Speaker 1: purely subjective and our listeners may or may not agree.
Speaker 1: But I feel like over the last while, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like our shows are better. Probably some people
Speaker 1: think they're worse, but it's just for me.
Speaker 2: It's more fun. Like we've had a lot of fun recently.
Speaker 1: But what I love about you is I don't need
Speaker 1: to do any planning because for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: Patrick sets the agenda for what we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about and just sends it through to me. I literally
Speaker 1: have his face and my face on the screen, and
Speaker 1: below that a list of topics, so I don't even know.
Speaker 1: It's not like I've read and then opened up the
Speaker 1: link and then read that I've done nothing, which suits
Speaker 1: me perfectly because I'm in the middle of my productivity.
Speaker 1: I'm also have a propensity for laziness, so that suits me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, our shows are easy. You and Me is
Speaker 1: probably the easiest, least effort show, so thank you for that,
Speaker 1: but not so much laziness for you because you have
Speaker 1: to do or did you do this prep? Or did
Speaker 1: one of your underlings do this prep?
Speaker 2: No, a bit of both.
Speaker 3: What I do is I read a whole lot of
Speaker 3: stuff over the fortnite, and if I see an article
Speaker 3: that I think's worth chatting about, I email it to
Speaker 3: myself and then I get one of my colleagues to
Speaker 3: just put it all into a document, and then I
Speaker 3: refine it from there. I kind of swap things around
Speaker 3: or add a little bits and pieces. So it's usually
Speaker 3: just stuff that I've read and I want to remind
Speaker 3: myself of so I don't forget to talk about it.
Speaker 3: It's kind of it's fun. I enjoy it because I
Speaker 3: just I love tech and I love what's going on
Speaker 3: in tech. And sometimes it scares me, sometimes it excites me.
Speaker 3: Other times. Yeah, it's but it's nice to to kind
Speaker 3: of spitball it, you know, it's good to chat about questions.
Speaker 3: And I think that's part of the enjoyment is that
Speaker 3: you won't let me get away with anything, which is
Speaker 3: nice you challenge me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we were talking about this off air, right,
Speaker 1: we were talking about which we won't mention the specifics,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about friendship in general, and when were
Speaker 1: talking about like we all want to be nice, but
Speaker 1: like when does niceness become weakness or over compliance or
Speaker 1: people pleasing? And you're a very You're probably a nicer
Speaker 1: person than me in that sense. I think we're both kind,
Speaker 1: but I think you're nicer, Like i'd probably rather hang
Speaker 1: out with you, you know, but that you know, where does
Speaker 1: when do we get to the point where we go, Hey,
Speaker 1: I totally disagree with you, but that's cool, Like we
Speaker 1: don't have to agree, you think, you know, Like you
Speaker 1: were saying, you've got a really good friend who's I
Speaker 1: once say what beliefs but got some very opposing beliefs
Speaker 1: to you, right, but they're great. They're great, and same
Speaker 1: with me. I've got, you know, I've got a bunch
Speaker 1: of friends who think similar to me, who are kind
Speaker 1: of half and half, and then some friends who were
Speaker 1: kind of oppositional in our thinking around certain things, like
Speaker 1: quite a lot of the time.
Speaker 2: But I like how they think.
Speaker 1: And I like the fact, like when people become very
Speaker 1: finger pointing and dogmatic, you can fuck right off. But
Speaker 1: if you just go you know, I think A and
Speaker 1: you think B. These are my reasons. I'm like, cool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're friends. We don't think the same about that thing.
Speaker 1: But as I said to you off here, and you like,
Speaker 1: the idea is like if we have to agree on anything,
Speaker 1: it's not a friendship, it's a cult. Like if we
Speaker 1: all have to think the same, do the same, eat
Speaker 1: the same, move the same, believe the same, well, that's
Speaker 1: a that's weird. That's just so not a normal, healthy friendship.
Speaker 2: Do you see that though?
Speaker 3: In that ecosystem where people tend to have the blinker
Speaker 3: vision on and they just attract people who are exactly
Speaker 3: the same as them.
Speaker 2: I found that when I worked in the media.
Speaker 3: One of the things I didn't want to do is
Speaker 3: hang out with people in the media because all.
Speaker 1: This later, well, that's confirmation bias, right, where you only
Speaker 1: look for people who kind of are like you or
Speaker 1: think like you, or their ideas and philosophy and perhaps habits,
Speaker 1: behavior lifestyle are familiar to you and comfortable for you,
Speaker 1: and and so you hang out with them because they're
Speaker 1: just a different version of you, and you like that.
Speaker 1: But people don't like hanging out with people who perhaps
Speaker 1: the way that they live or are challenge them without
Speaker 1: even being spoken to the amount of people who have
Speaker 1: said to me over the years like this is a
Speaker 1: guy who was morbidly obese who then got himself in
Speaker 1: quite good shape. I never evangelize people, as in I
Speaker 1: never I never just go up to people and give
Speaker 1: people advice. Ever, the only time I give advice is
Speaker 1: if I'm like on a show or somebody's asked for it.
Speaker 1: But the people who have said to me over the years, oh,
Speaker 1: you're just obsessed, because if I'm obsessed, then they're right
Speaker 1: and I'm wrong, versus well, I'm actually I've got a
Speaker 1: set of habits and behaviors and a lifestyle and an
Speaker 1: operating system that works really well for my physiology and
Speaker 1: my genetics. I don't obsess about food, I don't obsess
Speaker 1: about exercise.
Speaker 2: I just do what works for me. But it's much
Speaker 2: easier to.
Speaker 1: Criticize someone else's behavior or lifestyle because it means you
Speaker 1: can't be wrong. If they're wrong, you can't be wrong,
Speaker 1: then you don't need to change. And that's also all
Speaker 1: of this shit is emotional too, Like you're a vegetarian
Speaker 1: slash vegan, which I'm.
Speaker 2: Totally up for, and I think we might.
Speaker 1: All find out one day that maybe that's a better option.
Speaker 1: Maybe we won't, but whatever, you're very passionate about it,
Speaker 1: as you should be. Therefore, there's emotion. So it's very
Speaker 1: hard to be totally logical and objective about something for
Speaker 1: which your personality and your identity and your emotion are
Speaker 1: all intertwined.
Speaker 2: Same with me when.
Speaker 1: People say are getting in shape, it's all about you
Speaker 1: having the obesity gene. It's got nothing to do with
Speaker 1: what you eat. Or I'm like, well that's just not
Speaker 1: fucking true, you know, Like I'm quite passionate about certain
Speaker 1: things that others aren't. You go, okay, you believe your thing.
Speaker 1: I believe my thing. And it's all right. We don't
Speaker 1: need to convince each other. M yeah, yeah, it's life.
Speaker 1: It's good. It's good to have challenges. It's good to
Speaker 1: have your belief systems challenged all the time.
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking I wrote this thing last night.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, hang on, I'm going to read it's
Speaker 1: behind me on the whiteboard. Tell me if this doesn't
Speaker 1: sound good or you can't hear me. I've crunched the numbers,
Speaker 1: and it seems that the chance of me getting stuff
Speaker 1: wrong in the future is one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, of course, of course, how many days
Speaker 1: do I get things wrong every day of my life?
Speaker 1: How many things with that total since I was a
Speaker 1: young adult, I don't know, probably in the hundreds of thousands,
Speaker 1: at least in the tens of thousands. So why the
Speaker 1: fuck would I assume unequivocally that I'm right now? I
Speaker 1: actually think that's a real sign of people in general,
Speaker 1: of and I know we're getting philosophical, will dive into
Speaker 1: the tech in a minute, but being somewhat evolved when
Speaker 1: you can say this is what I think and believe,
Speaker 1: but I could be wrong because I've been wrong about
Speaker 1: many things before.
Speaker 3: I've been playing little thought games every now and again,
Speaker 3: where I think, am I still as mentally flexible in
Speaker 3: terms of my belief systems and being wrong?
Speaker 2: And is that changing?
Speaker 3: Because we hear that as people get older, they get
Speaker 3: grumpier and they're less inclined to be flexible with their minds.
Speaker 3: And so for me, when I'm very firm on an
Speaker 3: opinion and someone has a contrary opinion or I say
Speaker 3: well you're wrong.
Speaker 2: Do it this way.
Speaker 3: I try to take a pause now and say, well,
Speaker 3: maybe I am wrong with this, and should I just
Speaker 3: sit back and take a bit of a breath and
Speaker 3: reevaluate rather than just being no, I'm right, because the
Speaker 3: instant reaction when someone sees you're wrong is to say no,
Speaker 3: I'm right, you're wrong, and it is it's human nat.
Speaker 3: But I wonder whether I'm becoming more old in my
Speaker 3: mind and less flexible. But i'd like to think I'm not,
Speaker 3: and I think we all liked to in some point,
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you do you ever challenge it?
Speaker 3: I know you try to be as open minded as
Speaker 3: possible and take on new ideas.
Speaker 1: But more than ever, I was much more closed minded
Speaker 1: when I was young, much more right, unequivocally like, well,
Speaker 1: you know my background, right, So I grew up unequivocally
Speaker 1: telling people how God works and heaven and hell and
Speaker 1: judgment and the Bible and Old Testament New Testament. But
Speaker 1: that was my programming, and that was my conditioning, and
Speaker 1: that was my wheelhouse, and that was where I was comfortable,
Speaker 1: and that was where I was confident, and that was
Speaker 1: where I was familiar. And so in my mind I knew, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth
Speaker 1: and the life like that, Nobody comes to me but
Speaker 1: by the Father. Right, this is unequivocal. This is not
Speaker 1: an opinion everyone, This is Jesus. And then you go, yeah, yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: like do we have any proof that Jesus said that,
Speaker 1: Do we have any you know? It's like then you
Speaker 1: unpack it, which to me was unthinkable because that was blasphemous.
Speaker 1: But then now all these years later, there's no bidder,
Speaker 1: there's no twisted, there's no there's just like, oh, look
Speaker 1: do I still have faith or belief? Well the answer
Speaker 1: is yes, do I have evidence? No? Do I have
Speaker 1: absolute unequivocal proof or knowledge. No, could I be wrong?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Now, there was a long time in my life where
Speaker 1: I would never have said that you know about everything,
Speaker 1: about the best way to try, the best way to eat.
Speaker 1: I would tell you, no, this is how you should eat.
Speaker 1: And then I discovered stuff and I'm like, oh, I've
Speaker 1: been not I've only been wrong. I've been a fucking
Speaker 1: wrong for like decades.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What was interesting because we were talking before we got
Speaker 3: on air about human So humanism is basically a secular
Speaker 3: set of moral values that are innately built into human
Speaker 3: beings or the belief system of that. You walk across
Speaker 3: the road you see a kid about to be run
Speaker 3: over by a car, most human beings, decent human beings,
Speaker 3: would run across the road and grab that kid. They
Speaker 3: wouldn't look at a scripture, they wouldn't second guess themselves.
Speaker 3: They would just do that because it's the right thing
Speaker 3: to do, and we would feel that it's the right
Speaker 3: thing to do. But isn't it funny how ultimately they intersect. So,
Speaker 3: whether it's religious tenets and or humanist tenets or whatever
Speaker 3: you believe, Buddhist, Muslim, whatever, there is an intersection where
Speaker 3: there's a basic right and wrong that I think a
Speaker 3: lot of us do feel. So, you know, however you
Speaker 3: get to that point, whether it's through a book and reading,
Speaker 3: or whether it's just because it feels the right thing
Speaker 3: to do, I think a lot of us do come
Speaker 3: to the same place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, it's I call it your
Speaker 1: internal sat NAV. That's like almost people might call it
Speaker 1: their moral car or ethical compass or whatever where you
Speaker 1: kind of go. You know, there's like this level of
Speaker 1: knowledge and wisdom and truth and insight. I think again,
Speaker 1: this is what I think that we have access to
Speaker 1: where you don't need anyone to teach you or tell you.
Speaker 1: You don't need to read it, you don't need to
Speaker 1: hear it to know that this thing is a bad
Speaker 1: thing to do to someone, This thing is a kind
Speaker 1: thing to do.
Speaker 2: This is an.
Speaker 1: Acceptable behavior, This is an unacceptable behavior, you know. I
Speaker 1: think there's that in a knowing. But then you know
Speaker 1: the thing about and we'll get off this in a minute,
Speaker 1: but we you know, growing up, you don't realize that
Speaker 1: you are literally being programmed like a computer.
Speaker 2: You know, your software is being.
Speaker 1: Being programmed you like this Patrick, by the people around you,
Speaker 1: by your school, by your peers, by your family, by
Speaker 1: the information, by social media, by mainstream media, by you know,
Speaker 1: old media, or whatever we want to call it. You know,
Speaker 1: you just and then you up one day and you're twenty.
Speaker 1: Now you've got this worldview that you didn't choose. You
Speaker 1: didn't choose it. It's just a byproduct of your life,
Speaker 1: you know. And then so then to actually because that's
Speaker 1: now your your operating system, that's the window through which
Speaker 1: you view everything. And then to be able to have
Speaker 1: enough courage and perhaps open mindedness to go, gee, I
Speaker 1: wonder of all the stuff that I believe, what's perhaps flawed,
Speaker 1: or what's true, or what's maybe not kind what's kind
Speaker 1: of not true. That's a hard thing to say when
Speaker 1: your worldview and your beliefs in your your story is
Speaker 1: intertwined with who you are, because then you've got to
Speaker 1: kind of maybe refigure out.
Speaker 2: Who the fuck you are. This is deep, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know. I just think we could almost keep on
Speaker 2: going on this.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to do you want to keep going or
Speaker 1: do you want to do the science.
Speaker 2: The disappointing the people who are tuning in for at least.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do that let's start sorry about that
Speaker 1: philosophical fucking way.
Speaker 2: That was good?
Speaker 1: Do long two winded mainly from me? We do that
Speaker 1: we Episode one one seven. According to Patrick's notes, Episode one,
Speaker 1: Patrick James Banello soon to be the mayor of Bland.
Speaker 1: Wait more on that later. The mayor of Balan. You
Speaker 1: heard it here first time. His campaign manager. We're going
Speaker 1: to start pushing that. Are you open to look at him?
Speaker 1: He's saying nothing. He's saying nothing. That was my idea,
Speaker 1: not his. So the current mayor of Bland, if you
Speaker 1: hear this, you don't need to be nervous at all.
Speaker 2: We don't. We don't have a mayor anymore. Do you
Speaker 2: have Maruble? Shi's right, that's it. Well, that's you. That's
Speaker 2: going to be you, That's going to be you. I
Speaker 2: was chatting to.
Speaker 1: Somebody yesterday who you know who came to visit you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he and I we won't mention his name. Max, Peggy.
Speaker 1: We are firmly of the belief that you need to
Speaker 1: be the mayor of that pound slash environment.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Scientists develop a new way to see inside the human
Speaker 1: body using three D color imaging. What is the new way?
Speaker 1: That's not an X ray or an MRI or a
Speaker 1: bloody pet scan or what is this new way grasshopper
Speaker 1: or obi one.
Speaker 3: This is interesting because I mean I've been for ultrasounds.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've been for an ultrasound before. Ultrasounds are
Speaker 3: great because they're relatively cheap to do, but they don't
Speaker 3: have the fidelity or the resolution of other things. So
Speaker 3: you know, you might have so photo acoustic imaging, you know, MRIs,
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. The issue we've got and many
Speaker 3: other sort of imaging is where you inject dies into
Speaker 3: your body to see how your body circulation works and
Speaker 3: things like that. So now what scientists are looking at
Speaker 3: is it's basically blending sound and photoacoustics.
Speaker 2: And the idea is that you cannot.
Speaker 3: Just capture the structure of the tissue and blood vessels,
Speaker 3: but you can see them in three D as well,
Speaker 3: so you know, and that can me in real time
Speaker 3: while they're doing what they do. So it's this, you know,
Speaker 3: this mash up of these technologies to give you a
Speaker 3: much better, more accurate, and higher fidelity view of what's
Speaker 3: going inside you. It's about ten centimeters in so in
Speaker 3: terms of how far into the skin and into your
Speaker 3: internal functionings. But that's pretty exciting stuff. And I mean
Speaker 3: particularly if you're trying to diagnose issues related to, say,
Speaker 3: what's going on in your brain.
Speaker 2: If you've got, you know, a tumor, what is the
Speaker 2: tumor doing? Is it growing?
Speaker 3: Is you know, is it being fed lots more? You know,
Speaker 3: the blood vessels going to it. You know this all
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff that can help with diagnosis and
Speaker 3: looking at detailed anatomy because at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: you know, without having to put a scalpel down, because
Speaker 3: that's the last thing you want and I have to do.
Speaker 3: If you can help and get a bit of diagnosis
Speaker 3: without having to deep dive literally, then this is yet it's.
Speaker 2: Pretty exciting stuff.
Speaker 3: So just the combination of current technologies to make it
Speaker 3: all work better. And it's they're calling it RUST. So
Speaker 3: it's a RUSS pat Rotational ultrasound tomography is what it's
Speaker 3: called interesting and it's using photoacoustic tomography.
Speaker 1: So when you say you can look at it in
Speaker 1: real time, does that mean it comes up like a
Speaker 1: little video where you're seeing, like, for example, the heartbeat,
Speaker 1: so you're actually seeing versus like a still picture.
Speaker 3: And that's the idea and it's in three D as well,
Speaker 3: so you can wow, that's bloody great. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 3: really interesting this and this is ongoing of course, but
Speaker 3: and I mean I don't think it's commercially available yet,
Speaker 3: but it's a way of kind of proving that it
Speaker 3: can be done. And yeah, it's pretty it's it's going
Speaker 3: to take a big leap forward in diagnosis.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the next one is of interest and a
Speaker 1: little bit of alarm to me. I'm going to be honest.
Speaker 1: Some people use WhatsApp boys and girls. It's an app
Speaker 1: that's meant to be more secure, so let's say yeah, no,
Speaker 1: let's not say anything. But people who don't want other
Speaker 1: people to be able to access their messages use, among
Speaker 1: other things, WhatsApp is one of the app apps that's
Speaker 1: been known to be more secure should you want to
Speaker 1: send a message that you don't want seen by anyone else.
Speaker 1: But there's a lawsuit now alleging that WhatsApp has no
Speaker 1: end to end encryption, which is their big claim. We
Speaker 1: have end to end encryption, which means nobody can access
Speaker 1: your messages, nobody accept you, and the receiver.
Speaker 2: Can get to this. That may I'm going.
Speaker 1: To have to quickly go and erase a whole lot
Speaker 1: of shit on my phone. I'm not you are fucking
Speaker 1: what is it hot in here? So we are you know,
Speaker 1: those of us who are dealing buddy, you know, peels
Speaker 1: out the back of our panel van, we could be
Speaker 1: in trouble.
Speaker 2: It's just that I think that. By the way, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: How drug dealing works, so apologies to the drug dealers.
Speaker 2: I'm making this WhatsApp. Yeah, yeah, the figure they don't.
Speaker 3: And the other thing too is if you think about
Speaker 3: a journalist interviewing somebody who's a whistleblower, you know, using
Speaker 3: ah encryption, or someone who's in a politically volatile country
Speaker 3: but is using WhatsApp to disclose. I mean, gosh, if
Speaker 3: you're in Iran at the moment, you're absolutely screwed. But
Speaker 3: you're not hearing this because there's a massive blockout of
Speaker 3: Internet anyway. But what this means is WhatsApp was purchased
Speaker 3: by Neta a few years ago.
Speaker 1: And when I just point something out, mister compassion, if
Speaker 1: you're in i Ran at the moment, you're screwed.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: Shout out to our brothers and in Iran, we hope
Speaker 1: you're okay.
Speaker 2: We can't. That's the thing.
Speaker 3: It's scary they you know, we take a lot for
Speaker 3: granted when it comes to tellcommunications, and there's been nearly
Speaker 3: a three week blackout. The government is trying to just
Speaker 3: stop the Internet and then filter it to a point
Speaker 3: where people will just not be able to search for
Speaker 3: anything except stuff the government has widelisted. I know we're
Speaker 3: digressing somewhat.
Speaker 1: Then I ask one more digressing question, but tech related.
Speaker 1: So if I live in Iran, I'm a dummy with
Speaker 1: this shit. So humor me. I live in Iran, I
Speaker 1: live on the top floor of a ten story residential building,
Speaker 1: and I've got Starlink.
Speaker 3: Can I do I still have Internet? No, they were
Speaker 3: trying to throttle back Staralink as well. That's that's exactly
Speaker 3: the point the government was relating. So they could basically
Speaker 3: say to Elon Musk that you have no right to
Speaker 3: use stalink in our country and we want you closing
Speaker 3: off that service so or throttling it back. So that
Speaker 3: was one of the other issues as well that included Starlink.
Speaker 3: The government's trying to control everything, every bit of access
Speaker 3: to technology and every bit of access to the Internet
Speaker 3: that hasn't been filtered. I mean, it's happening to a
Speaker 3: degree in China, but even things like VPNs couldn't be used.
Speaker 3: I try to geolocate yourself somewhere else so that you
Speaker 3: can pretend not to be in that country.
Speaker 1: Me and ninety two percent of the audience to go
Speaker 1: on cool story.
Speaker 3: What's VPN virtual private network where you try to relocate
Speaker 3: yourself digitally into another country. So right, mix account and
Speaker 3: the program that you want to watch is an available
Speaker 3: in Australia, but it's available in the US or Canada.
Speaker 3: You could say, well, I'm in Canada, now log onto
Speaker 3: your account and then watch the Canadian I don't know
Speaker 3: how to eat track down and eat bears. I don't
Speaker 3: know whatever it is.
Speaker 1: I just had a brilliant idea that turned out to
Speaker 1: be not so brilliant. Or while you were saying that
Speaker 1: I was going to start raising homing pigeons, then I thought,
Speaker 1: how do I sell them in a run?
Speaker 2: I can't advertise them all right in the order to
Speaker 2: flyer attached to it.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine the old days like that was technology?
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine you can send a message one hundred
Speaker 1: miles and then I'll mate put some message in the
Speaker 1: old bit of metal around the foot and sends another
Speaker 1: message back to you and you get a two hundred
Speaker 1: mile relay in a few hours.
Speaker 2: What about if.
Speaker 3: You've got a pigeon coop right, and it's full of pigeons,
Speaker 3: the pigeon flies three hundred kilometers, gets there and it
Speaker 3: gets to there and sorry, can't fit you in. Your
Speaker 3: pigeon coop is full? Return to send it?
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're like, oh the fucking oh, you got to
Speaker 1: clear out some of your pigeons. Bro it existed, not
Speaker 1: enough space. Ah, that's funny. Tech giants head to Landmark
Speaker 1: US trial over social media addiction claims.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say it again.
Speaker 1: Tech giants head to Landmark US trial over social media
Speaker 1: This is a very addiction claim. This is a very
Speaker 1: slippery slope and very hard to prove and vary from
Speaker 1: a psychology and a technology and it's like, it's very
Speaker 1: hard to say because there's so many variables in this.
Speaker 2: But what's the story? Tell us?
Speaker 3: There's an organization called the Social Media Victim Law Center
Speaker 3: and there's an attorney representing them. This's the first time
Speaker 3: this has gone to court, and what they're trying to
Speaker 3: do is they're taking all these multiple CEOs to court,
Speaker 3: including Mark Zuckerberg. They're targeting Meta and YouTube and TikTok
Speaker 3: and they're basically accusing them of making products that intentionally
Speaker 3: are addictive and harmful to young people. And this has
Speaker 3: I was reading through the article and it kind of
Speaker 3: makes sense. I see where they're going with this, because
Speaker 3: they're saying that the actual mechanics of how social media
Speaker 3: works is designed to manipulate people. So they're you know,
Speaker 3: and there are one hundred with sixteen hundred plaintiffs, so
Speaker 3: it's a lot of people involved, more than three hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty families, two hundred and fifty school districts. This
Speaker 3: is quite a big landmark case. But what I thought
Speaker 3: was really interesting and where it relates to us here
Speaker 3: in Australia is one of the things that was quoted
Speaker 3: by the people who are running the case. One of
Speaker 3: the experts was saying that it's not about blocking children
Speaker 3: from social media, it's about the onus being on social
Speaker 3: media being as addictive and manipulative as it is.
Speaker 2: So you know, if.
Speaker 3: Australians say, Okay, we're just going to not let Australian
Speaker 3: kids under the age of sixteen access the Internet, access
Speaker 3: social media. You're not solving the problem of social media.
Speaker 3: You're not forcing the tech giants to change the algorithms
Speaker 3: to fix the problem. You're just stopping kids from having
Speaker 3: access and potentially making it difficult too for some kids
Speaker 3: that you may have issues where they're isolated and they
Speaker 3: need social media to connect with community. So this is
Speaker 3: the problem. But under the current system. The problem with
Speaker 3: the system is what they're alleging is that young people
Speaker 3: get hooked, that they fall prey to depression, eating disorders,
Speaker 3: self harm, and other mental health issues. So that's the
Speaker 3: basis for the case. But it was interesting that it
Speaker 3: had that Australian connection in terms of, you know, just
Speaker 3: shutting the door on social media isn't fixing the problem
Speaker 3: because it's not fixing the social media entity itself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's I mean, it's a good point.
Speaker 1: Like designing, I'm thinking about creating products or services or
Speaker 1: whatever or technology that's potentially addictive I'm sure and intentionally
Speaker 1: doing that, and then I'm thinking, oh, imagine if there
Speaker 1: was anything else like that, like ah booze or sugar
Speaker 1: or cigarettes or gambling, horse racing, casinos or pawn or
Speaker 1: junk food or vapes or all of these things are
Speaker 1: literally created to addict people, like all of them, Like,
Speaker 1: none of them are healthy, none of them are good
Speaker 1: for you. At least social media can be used in
Speaker 1: a positive way. Yeah, it's like, well, I mean, marketing
Speaker 1: in a way is trying to get people, if not
Speaker 1: intertwined with whatever it is that they're selling, addicted, And
Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah.
Speaker 2: So it is valid.
Speaker 1: But also the world is full of companies selling things
Speaker 1: that are to an extent addictive already.
Speaker 2: Look, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3: I guess the proliferation of social media and the exposing
Speaker 3: of young people because predominantly we're talking about young people.
Speaker 3: This court case relates to young people who are potentially
Speaker 3: hurting themselves.
Speaker 2: Going down that rabbit hole, and that.
Speaker 3: The socialia and I know what you're saying, You're right,
Speaker 3: smoking all the rest of it is harmful to people.
Speaker 3: We know that, I guess. But when you think of
Speaker 3: how many people smoke and how many people are exposed
Speaker 3: to say, social media and the way that social media
Speaker 3: talks about being connected and fluffy and lovely, and you know,
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. I think the insidious nature
Speaker 3: of it is what we're kind of talking about, but
Speaker 3: also the proliferation of social media more so than anything else.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but we unequivocally know, unequivocally that smoking kills
Speaker 1: people literally directly physiologically, it causes cancer. But any eighteen
Speaker 1: year old can go to seven eleven and buy ten
Speaker 1: packs today if they could afford it, and you know
Speaker 1: that's but nonetheless it's totally legal and accessible. Like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that is very bad for people
Speaker 1: that is very available to people because it's lining pockets.
Speaker 1: And of course I'm not trying to be the moral
Speaker 1: high horse on this, but it's just true. And then
Speaker 1: we jump up and down, which, by the way, I
Speaker 1: hate the fact that kids' lives are being destroyed to
Speaker 1: some level by social media, but I also think, well,
Speaker 1: that is true. It is also true that we have
Speaker 1: free will. It is also true that at the very
Speaker 1: least we have a capacity to go. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to look at that all day. Otherwise we say we
Speaker 1: have no oh, I'm not in control of my life.
Speaker 2: Social media.
Speaker 1: If you're saying that you have no responsibility in this
Speaker 1: or you have no control. It's that your brain and
Speaker 1: your body and your willpower has been hijacked by this thing.
Speaker 1: Then you've got no idea of your own potential and
Speaker 1: you're literally handing over the power to something that is
Speaker 1: not you. So I think one I agree with you,
Speaker 1: but I think there needs to be a message that
Speaker 1: we fucking humans at some stage need to take at
Speaker 1: least a little bit of responsibility and ownership for what
Speaker 1: we do. We can't always sue everyone else for what
Speaker 1: we are literally doing because there are lots of kids
Speaker 1: who are not abusing it. So if social media was
Speaker 1: absolutely the problem, then everybody would be having the same
Speaker 1: consequence and they're not, which absolutely proves that it's a
Speaker 1: combination of factors and one being the user.
Speaker 3: No, I do agree with what you're saying to a degree.
Speaker 3: You know, when we talked about smoking, it's black and white.
Speaker 3: There's absolutely, definitively the facts are all there that you know,
Speaker 3: it's all been done. We know that if you choose
Speaker 3: to smoke, you know that you're taking on a risk.
Speaker 3: Social media isn't necessarily it's veiled. It's more veiled than that.
Speaker 3: You know, you might feel like you're missing out because
Speaker 3: you're not connected to your community, but the way that
Speaker 3: the algorithm is designed is to manipulate you, particularly young minds.
Speaker 3: And I was just looking at some stats in Australia.
Speaker 3: It's still around about ten percent, ten to eleven percent
Speaker 3: of Australians actually smoke in Australia. That's what the statistics say.
Speaker 3: That's twenty twenty two to twenty three statistics. Now twenty
Speaker 3: eight to seventy nine percent of Australians are on social media,
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of in terms of comparatively, But
Speaker 3: I know what you're saying, Wow.
Speaker 1: The really important figure is how many people are dying?
Speaker 1: Right and then use Well yeah, but also for every
Speaker 1: one of those smokers, every one of them, it's bad.
Speaker 1: But for the social media users that's not the case.
Speaker 3: What the lawsuit's saying is that the algorithm, that what
Speaker 3: these apps are doing is manipulating people behind the scenes,
Speaker 3: and that they're deliberately doing this. So we're saying, great,
Speaker 3: this is great, Well, you know, we can go on
Speaker 3: by swap and sell, we can jump onto Facebook. But
Speaker 3: what they're saying is that these companies are deliberately, subversively
Speaker 3: manipulating people and it's not. It's young people particularly that
Speaker 3: they're focusing on, and that what seems like it's an
Speaker 3: innocent thing is not and it's insidious. And this, I
Speaker 3: mean this is claims. Of course, this is why it's
Speaker 3: going to court, because the claims are that it's manipulating people.
Speaker 3: The claims are that it's in an insidious thing that
Speaker 3: looks nice and fluffy on the outside but in fact
Speaker 3: has been designed in such a way to suck our
Speaker 3: lives through the computer screen.
Speaker 1: All right, good now, I'm going to present the opposition case.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: What you're saying is it's veiled. It's not fucking veiled.
Speaker 1: It's all we talk about is the dangers of social media.
Speaker 1: Like you need to turn on the Telly bro because
Speaker 1: every fucking day there's more stories on how horrible social
Speaker 1: media is. I can see, Fritz, don't try and don't
Speaker 1: try and woo me with your fucking cute dog. It's
Speaker 1: not happening, right. And then the other thing is we're
Speaker 1: saying it's manipulating people. No, that's not true. That's unequivocal.
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent, not one hundred percent? Oh well,
Speaker 1: who well some people? Oh is it also true that
Speaker 1: some people are not being manipulated. Also true. So to
Speaker 1: say this categoric statement that this thing does that to
Speaker 1: humans is again misleading. It has the potential, it has
Speaker 1: the capacity, like you can't just pump it with emotion
Speaker 1: and go. It's horrible. It's doing this to all our teenagers,
Speaker 1: because that's not true. It does it to some you know,
Speaker 1: and it's the same it can be with humans. And
Speaker 1: is it fucking up some or our some lives being
Speaker 1: fucked up as a result of certain kid's addiction to
Speaker 1: a behavior on social media. I would think unequivocally yes,
Speaker 1: I completely agree. But if the cause was let's just
Speaker 1: go with Instagram or whatever, let's just go with Instagram.
Speaker 1: If the cause was Instagram, then how comes so many
Speaker 1: people who use Instagram are not having that outcome? Because
Speaker 1: it isn't only about Instagram, it isn't only about the
Speaker 1: social media and this is what we want to do,
Speaker 1: we go, It's got nothing to do with us. We
Speaker 1: are just the victim. That's bullshit. That's people not taking
Speaker 1: responsibility for their own time, or their own choices, or
Speaker 1: their own use of their energy. Don't pick up the
Speaker 1: fucking phone, it's optional. Don't look at it it's optional,
Speaker 1: like the whole Oh I'm not you know, this whole
Speaker 1: thing going around at the moment about obesity, which is like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's got nothing to do with you or your behavior,
Speaker 1: or it's like it does bro. I know that's uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: but no, it's all about having this gene. I go, well,
Speaker 1: if it's all about genetics, and how come one hundred
Speaker 1: years ago the obesity rate was lower than three percent,
Speaker 1: we're not that genetically different, right, and now it's sixty
Speaker 1: six percent, sixty seven percent for obesit in overweight. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's it's got nothing to do with genetics,
Speaker 1: of course it has. But to say that these things
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with us, we're in this generation
Speaker 1: where people want to avoid responsibility, accountability, ownership. I think
Speaker 1: it's what you're saying, and what I'm saying is the truth.
Speaker 1: It's that combination.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, listen to you, Come on, come on, surely
Speaker 3: you've got to say one day.
Speaker 2: That's a good point, Harps. It's an amazingly good point.
Speaker 3: And there's nothing that you've just said that I don't totally,
Speaker 3: unequivocably believe and agree with absolutely. I know that there
Speaker 3: are a percentage of people out there who need to
Speaker 3: be protected from themselves or make bad decisions and whatever
Speaker 3: the reason is they you know, do you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying? And not everybody can be Craig Harper. No,
Speaker 3: I've never suggested that. I would not suggest that. No,
Speaker 3: but hang on, hang on, that's unfair. That's I would
Speaker 3: never suggest that. And you know that now.
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I am not fucking special. I am
Speaker 1: not genetically gifted. I was a morbilly obese child. I
Speaker 1: am genetically predisposed to gain weight. I do have an
Speaker 1: addictive personality. I fucking know that you can change the
Speaker 1: quality of your life and your outcomes and your physiology
Speaker 1: and your psychology and your behavior if.
Speaker 2: You want to do it enough. But people don't like that.
Speaker 1: Because that requires self control and effort and accountability. So
Speaker 1: we'd rather go yeah, yeah, yeah, but this, but this
Speaker 1: does that to me. It's just I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like we're just entering a time where nobody does
Speaker 1: anything wrong. It's nobody's fault. Whatever your outcomes are, it's
Speaker 1: not you, it's something else. And I know that mediocre me,
Speaker 1: like mediocre me, can produce amazing results just because I
Speaker 1: do the things that produce amazing results, not because I
Speaker 1: am inherently amazing.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Look, and it's a part of me that was against
Speaker 3: the social media ban for kids under sixteen because you know,
Speaker 3: is it about more educating and being proactive about using
Speaker 3: these tools and saying, well, this is what can happen
Speaker 3: when you use social media.
Speaker 2: However, there are a lot of positives because you.
Speaker 3: Get your community with your people, with your tribe. So
Speaker 3: what we're going to do is teach you to use
Speaker 3: this in a way that's going to make it acceptable
Speaker 3: and available to you without just shutting the door. And
Speaker 3: maybe we live in a nanny state too much. Maybe
Speaker 3: we keep making excuses for people. I mean, it was
Speaker 3: a few years ago, Craigo that I think the AMA,
Speaker 3: the Australian Medical Association told GPS directed GPS to start
Speaker 3: using language like fat and obese in their conversations with
Speaker 3: patients who are overweight, because it got to the point
Speaker 3: where it wasn't so much political correctness, but it was
Speaker 3: seen to be you can't call someone fat, you can't
Speaker 3: call someone obese.
Speaker 1: You know it's not right, You're going to hurt that.
Speaker 1: It's just identifying a state. It's not I'm not calling
Speaker 1: you fat. It's like calling someone a cunt. I get it.
Speaker 1: That's horrible, right, Calling someone a fuck with not good.
Speaker 1: But identifying and recognizing that, let's go with me, so
Speaker 1: then no one can be hurt. When I was in
Speaker 1: my early thirties, I was one hundred and seventeen kilos,
Speaker 1: which is nearly forty kilos. I was fat, right, That's
Speaker 1: not an insult. That's a recognition and an awareness of
Speaker 1: my body, of my body composition. But the problem is, see,
Speaker 1: if someone goes, you're tall, everyone's cool. If you've got
Speaker 1: beautiful red hair or blonde hair, great, if you've got
Speaker 1: great fucking jaw structure, or if you've got wide sholves.
Speaker 1: But as soon as anyone says the truth that you know, Craig,
Speaker 1: you're fat, people are like, oh, you can't say that.
Speaker 1: Oh well, honestly you can. And if you choose to
Speaker 1: get offended now walking down the street pointing out to
Speaker 1: someone that they're fat, I'm not talking about that. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about in the context of potentially a clinical or
Speaker 1: a health setting where we're talking about your longevity, your
Speaker 1: health span, your lifespan, acknowledging that your current body composition
Speaker 1: doesn't lend itself to a healthy long life. But that's
Speaker 1: what I'm talking I actually love people, and I actually
Speaker 1: want to be real with people and say, listen, I
Speaker 1: care about your long term physical health more than your
Speaker 1: feelings for the next two minutes. If all, if my
Speaker 1: job is just to make you feel good and tell
Speaker 1: you what you want to hear, then I'm going to
Speaker 1: go get a new job, because fuck that. My job
Speaker 1: is not to lie to people, mislead people, and kind
Speaker 1: of stroke their ego or emotions for two minutes. My
Speaker 1: job is literally to help people become empowered and resilient
Speaker 1: and strong and aware and choose the life they want
Speaker 1: to live and hopefully help equip them to do that. Now,
Speaker 1: you can't live in a psychological, as you called, nanny
Speaker 1: state for that. And it's not about self loathing. It's
Speaker 1: about self wi awareness.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Saying I'm overweight, that's not blame and shame. That's just
Speaker 1: fucking true. I'm overweight, I'm too fat. Cool, Okay, do
Speaker 1: something about it. I will, thanks, you know, And that's me.
Speaker 1: That's this is just a subject that I've been dealing
Speaker 1: with for forty years, and I've just seen it get
Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse. I've seen Australians get less
Speaker 1: and less healthy, more and more dysfunctional, more disease. The
Speaker 1: only reason, in fact, we're not living longer now, we've
Speaker 1: started to go backwards first time in history. But the
Speaker 1: only reason we live as long as we do in
Speaker 1: many instances is just because we've got better and better medication.
Speaker 1: It's not because people are doing shit healthier, you know.
Speaker 1: But now what we've seen is the actual health span,
Speaker 1: the period of time of a person's life, percentage of
Speaker 1: time where they are healthy, has reduced dramatically. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: living until they're eighty five, but from sixty they're fucked.
Speaker 2: You know. They're medicated up the.
Speaker 3: Wazoo, and people born in nineteen thirty six are more
Speaker 3: likely to live to one hundred than people after that
Speaker 3: time period.
Speaker 2: So as the rest. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Our longevity and also quality of life is reducing, you know. Interestingly,
Speaker 3: someone said to me the other day, and others not tech,
Speaker 3: but they said, oh, you're too thin.
Speaker 2: Hah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I got told that too by a doctor by my
Speaker 1: ear guy recently. You're too thin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I'm like, I know he meant.
Speaker 1: Well, but it's like somebody who has fucking bodiedy morpha
Speaker 1: and spent his life trying to be in good shape
Speaker 1: and then trying not to be fat, and then some
Speaker 1: motherfucker goes, you're too he reckons.
Speaker 2: That's God bless him. I won't say his name.
Speaker 1: He's actually a very good dude, but he thinks that
Speaker 1: literally could be contributing to my fucked ears. How funny is.
Speaker 3: That when you were one hundred and seventeen kilo's what
Speaker 3: your AI mirror would have said to you when it
Speaker 3: was describing you.
Speaker 1: Would have told me that I was stocky and well
Speaker 1: built and strong and powerful, and I wish Yeah, I
Speaker 1: probably would have tuned right in. I would have gone,
Speaker 1: you right, bro.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: The reason I'm asking this is there is some this
Speaker 3: is great tech. This is an AI mirror, we're calling
Speaker 3: it AI mirrors, but smart devices that are helping blind
Speaker 3: people see themselves. So, for example, originally it was things
Speaker 3: like helping blind people navigate the world, so you I
Speaker 3: and smart tech to see the world around them, but
Speaker 3: more increasingly people were also using them, so women were
Speaker 3: putting on their makeup using these AI devices, so they too, wow,
Speaker 3: and they get assistance because they can't see themselves, they're
Speaker 3: getting assistance with this AI tech to help them get
Speaker 3: ready in the morning, you know, spend your twenty minutes
Speaker 3: putting on your makeup and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I thought it was really cool.
Speaker 3: There's an article with this woman by the name of
Speaker 3: Lucy Edwards who's blind, and she's a content creator and
Speaker 3: so she basically is, you know, she's been showing her
Speaker 3: passion for beauty and styling, which is interesting because you know,
Speaker 3: for a long time she was quoted as saying that,
Speaker 3: you know, being a blind person, you know you're beautiful
Speaker 3: on the inside.
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't care.
Speaker 4: That's kind of like a terrible backhanded compliment. It's like, ah,
Speaker 4: it's like when mom goes, yeah, but you're beautiful to me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, ah, God, well, this time is kind of
Speaker 4: want to be beautiful to you, for God's sakes.
Speaker 3: This company called Vision was one of the first companies
Speaker 3: to use artificial intelligence for blind people, and they started
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, but it've come a long way since then.
Speaker 3: And basically they they thought initially that what would happen
Speaker 3: is that their app would be used for people to
Speaker 3: navigate the world, and then they were really surprised, you know,
Speaker 3: like using it to read letters or go shopping and
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. But they started to find
Speaker 3: that a lot of their customers, we're using it to
Speaker 3: coordinate their outfits.
Speaker 2: So what am I going to wear today?
Speaker 3: Does this pair of pants clash with the top that
Speaker 3: I'm wearing.
Speaker 1: Isn't that cool? I thought that's amazing. Can I just
Speaker 1: ask is the app? Is it glasses? Is it something
Speaker 1: that pins onto you?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: Well, you can there's an app for the phone, so
Speaker 3: he just turned the front facing camera to you. But
Speaker 3: if you're navigating the world and using it to read something,
Speaker 3: it could be smart glasses as well. So because smart
Speaker 3: glasses now you can just wear and it will effectively
Speaker 3: tell you what's going on. Actually, I've got to I'm
Speaker 3: catching up for lunch tomorrow with a good friend of
Speaker 3: mine who's blind. I'm going to ask him about this
Speaker 3: and see because he's married, so I don't know how
Speaker 3: and I've never asked him whether his wife tells him
Speaker 3: what to wear in the morning or whether.
Speaker 2: He just chucks out myself.
Speaker 3: So I'll have to ask him that tomorrow because they're
Speaker 3: really good friends and I've never really thought that way.
Speaker 2: It'sn't that interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to be blind and shout out
Speaker 1: to our blind listeners, are well done you for navigating
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 3: Someone told me from Vision Australia once that one of
Speaker 3: the terms that they really help hate people using is
Speaker 3: you know, the term vision impaired and visually impaired. That's
Speaker 3: very different. So impaired they can't see. But if someone's
Speaker 3: visually impaired, they just look bad.
Speaker 2: What do you think about it? Terrible? But that's how
Speaker 2: you see. What do you think about it? Vision impaired?
Speaker 1: But whoever says someone's visually impaired, they.
Speaker 2: Do all the time. It's said in the meeting.
Speaker 3: You mean as a mistake, So yes, yeah, that's so,
Speaker 3: it's a common mistake that people say they're visually You
Speaker 3: know that someone is visually impaired and they're not visually impaired,
Speaker 3: they're vision impaired.
Speaker 1: Well you could say to someone your vision impaired, which
Speaker 1: is probably a bonus right now because I'm visually impaired,
Speaker 1: so lucky you you know, I I know we've got
Speaker 1: a list that we may or may not get through
Speaker 1: tell me about and this is none your list, But
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know I'm quite in interested in the
Speaker 1: rayband type of glasses that have a camera that have
Speaker 1: been around for a few years. It seems like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, they're in a bit of a holding pattern.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're a bit better than they were. But so
Speaker 1: they essentially can be a phone and the internet and
Speaker 1: a recording device, video camera, all of it in one
Speaker 1: am I correct on that.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so look they do pair up with your
Speaker 3: phone at the moment, but you means that you as
Speaker 3: you're walking along the street, you could start recording something.
Speaker 3: But even more so, it can be looking at things
Speaker 3: and analyzing them and providing information. So turn by turn directions,
Speaker 3: it could say, you know, turn left here. It could
Speaker 3: be paired up with your smartphone while you're using directional
Speaker 3: maps and all that sort of thing. But I guess
Speaker 3: one of the big things was the privacy concerns having
Speaker 3: a camera built in. When's the camera active? So all
Speaker 3: of these smart devices have a little white light that
Speaker 3: comes on when the camera is being used, the video
Speaker 3: or the still phone.
Speaker 1: Ah, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 2: Otherwise you look like what I don't have one, but.
Speaker 1: You would look like creepy creepster just fucking being able
Speaker 1: to look at someone and record them.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, yeah, I call them perve glasses.
Speaker 3: It's you know, you know the people who buy them,
Speaker 3: the people who used to buy the reflective ones that
Speaker 3: I'm kidding. You know how people had reflective sunnis and
Speaker 3: you always were a bit you know you thought, No.
Speaker 2: I tried a pair of those, I looked.
Speaker 1: I probably look like a wanker all the time, but
Speaker 1: fucking a bigger anker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they smartt better.
Speaker 3: You'll eventually have heads up display that will give you
Speaker 3: real time translations. I know we've spoken about this before,
Speaker 3: but I'm pretty excited because I feel that down the track,
Speaker 3: I would like to use AI smart glasses to accompany
Speaker 3: me throughout the day and say I don't forget, you've
Speaker 3: got to do this. And during your meeting, the key
Speaker 3: points that came out of it was this, this and
Speaker 3: this that that works for me. I reckon I could
Speaker 3: do that, but it's the privacy issue and where that data.
Speaker 2: Is going to be stored is what is Chris crucial
Speaker 2: for me?
Speaker 1: Imagine if you can you know you're in a one
Speaker 1: hour business meeting or board meeting or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: You've got your glasses on, you're recording, and then you
Speaker 1: say later on you're like, oh, what did Brian say
Speaker 1: about that second deal? And you go bring up the
Speaker 1: audio where Brian talks about that second deal. It's about
Speaker 1: halfway through the meeting, and it just brings up how
Speaker 1: cool would that be?
Speaker 2: Now you can do that? Now? Wow?
Speaker 1: And then go also print that or send that to
Speaker 1: my email, send it as an email to my email
Speaker 1: so that I've got a written copy of it as well.
Speaker 3: Transcribe it. That's what Brian said. Send it back to Brian. Hey, Brian, Hell,
Speaker 3: that's the problem. The problem is not the technology is
Speaker 3: not there. The problems me the problems. I'm still sending
Speaker 3: fucking carrier pigeons and writing notes in crayon.
Speaker 2: It's pretty fully.
Speaker 1: Am I the right person for this show? It's dawning
Speaker 1: on me.
Speaker 3: Absolute right person for this show because you ask great questions.
Speaker 1: Oh god, God, yeah, I love I will say though
Speaker 1: I do love tech, like the I love the fact
Speaker 1: that I can drive. Obviously, I'm I think my listeners now,
Speaker 1: I drive to Ronn and Mary's, my parents a lot,
Speaker 1: and it's four hours each time, and there's not one
Speaker 1: trip that I have where I don't have at least
Speaker 1: one conversation.
Speaker 2: And I mean back and forth multiple.
Speaker 1: Times with AI about something where I go, you know,
Speaker 1: I literally say hi to it and goes, hey, Craig,
Speaker 1: what's up? And I go, I want to chat to
Speaker 1: you about something? And then I just propose an idea
Speaker 1: or a concept or I'm thinking about this, thinking about.
Speaker 2: Doing a workshop on that.
Speaker 1: I've got a you know, I've got this problem.
Speaker 2: I want to just it's so good.
Speaker 1: And it's not that it gets everything right or I
Speaker 1: operational everything it thinks or suggests, but fucking hell, it's
Speaker 1: like having a high level conversation with a pretty fucking
Speaker 1: smart person whenever you want and they don't get tired.
Speaker 3: And I think the key thing is going to be
Speaker 3: not just the aspects of what you're talking about, but
Speaker 3: is once you incorporate history, so it knew what you
Speaker 3: did last week, but it also knew what you did
Speaker 3: three and four and five weeks ago. That's going to
Speaker 3: help streamline the processes that you make, the decisions that
Speaker 3: you make as well. I think that having that there,
Speaker 3: and I think in the terms of you know what
Speaker 3: if someone has dementia or they're in the early stages
Speaker 3: of dementia, this could be really handy for them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I know when Mums started to kind of go down
Speaker 3: that rabbit hole, you know, we were trying to encourage her.
Speaker 3: We put signs on the fridge, you know, little notes
Speaker 3: for reminder. But that AI company and I kind of
Speaker 3: think about this too. As a person who lives by themselves,
Speaker 3: I think it would be great to have that AI
Speaker 3: companion helping in assisting in what I was doing. And
Speaker 3: I think that if we can use this tech to
Speaker 3: help people stay home longer and safer, to be in
Speaker 3: their own home, to be protected, to be checked on,
Speaker 3: all that sort of, I think it's great. I think
Speaker 3: it's technology being used to help people is always wonderful.
Speaker 2: And then a.
Speaker 1: Podcasts the other day with a cardiologist who's right up there,
Speaker 1: great guy, good business, but very like he wants to
Speaker 1: work with people, or he wants his team to work
Speaker 1: with people before they have massive issues.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: He's ironically his goal is not to see people on
Speaker 1: the operating table. Like I really liked him. His name's
Speaker 1: doctor David O'Donnell, and I was driving and I was
Speaker 1: I generally need to be sitting down about quarter of
Speaker 1: an hour before the podcast to at least get a
Speaker 1: bit of an insight into I look at their bio,
Speaker 1: I look at their maybe five minutes of video just
Speaker 1: to get a but I want enough, but not too much,
Speaker 1: because I generally don't want to know.
Speaker 2: The answers to the questions I have.
Speaker 1: Right, And so I was running late and I said
Speaker 1: to CHATGPT, so I'm interviewing this guy. This is who
Speaker 1: he is, this is what he does. I haven't prepared.
Speaker 1: I want you to come up with a snapshot of
Speaker 1: who he is and what he does, and I want
Speaker 1: you to write, come up with ten to twenty questions
Speaker 1: that you know I may or may not use, and
Speaker 1: then it comes up in total and then it goes, sure, Craig,
Speaker 1: I'll do a typ style intro and typ style you know,
Speaker 1: like you centric you know, and it brings up this
Speaker 1: thing that is fucking amazing. Turns out I really didn't
Speaker 1: use any of it because that kind of gave me
Speaker 1: a sense of who he was. But just in terms
Speaker 1: of what it can produce in one minute, where you go, man,
Speaker 1: this is depending on the situation and the application. This
Speaker 1: stuff is life changing, if not at the very least
Speaker 1: massively time saving.
Speaker 2: I feel like I.
Speaker 3: Want to pick up my phone and call you to
Speaker 3: see if you will actually answer. And I've just been
Speaker 3: talking to chat GPT all this time, just impersonating.
Speaker 2: You exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: You never know, do you know that you and I
Speaker 1: have been chatting for Nellian out?
Speaker 4: All?
Speaker 2: Right, let's do one or two.
Speaker 1: You pick whatever one you want to do, rather me pluck,
Speaker 1: Let's do one that tells light you up.
Speaker 2: A little bit. No, I don want it.
Speaker 3: This is a community service one. Okay. It's been discovered
Speaker 3: that people who are on older iPhone so the iPhone eight,
Speaker 3: the eight plus and the X may not connect to
Speaker 3: Telstra's network after a recent Apple update of their phones,
Speaker 3: including to triple zero. And I guess given the temperatures
Speaker 3: and what's going on in places like Victoria and New
Speaker 3: South Wales, this is kind of crucial. So may not
Speaker 3: be able to make that SOS call if you need to.
Speaker 3: And it's just old tech and this came up with
Speaker 3: Samsung last year, remember with Optus and Samsung. So I
Speaker 3: think just checking your phone is compatible and making sure,
Speaker 3: but sometimes you can get what we call bricked if
Speaker 3: your phone doesn't update and it's an older phone. And
Speaker 3: I kind of frustrates me that, you know, I've got
Speaker 3: a car that's thirty two years old and I can
Speaker 3: still drive, but I certainly don't have a phone that's
Speaker 3: thirty two years old, because you know, after about two
Speaker 3: hours and thirty five seconds, you need to get the
Speaker 3: new phone.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: It does frustrate me that a phone that was working
Speaker 3: yesterday suddenly might not work today. So if you've got
Speaker 3: an iPhone eight, then just check it out, make sure
Speaker 3: that it's got full functionality.
Speaker 2: If you're on the Telstray network, here's that.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great community service announcement. Also, I'm
Speaker 1: worried that now everyone's going to ring Triple zero to
Speaker 1: see if they can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please don't, please don't do that. Not on it.
Speaker 2: They go, what's your emergency? Please?
Speaker 1: Ah, just checking that my phone can reach you, thanks Dave.
Speaker 2: Maybe a Telstra and check.
Speaker 1: With yeah, yeah, don't please don't ring triples hero unless
Speaker 1: you actually have an emergency.
Speaker 2: Imagine that it's on the news tomorrow night. It was
Speaker 2: like the.
Speaker 1: Emergency servers overwhelmed with calls from FUK whit seeing that
Speaker 1: their phoneworks.
Speaker 3: Hey, have you ever used the Apple air tags? I
Speaker 3: know you're in the Apple ecosystem for a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff that you've got.
Speaker 2: I have not. Just remind me of what that is.
Speaker 3: So the air tags are literally a little circular disc
Speaker 3: that you can touch to your luggage, to your dog,
Speaker 3: to your best friend, and then you'll.
Speaker 2: Where they are.
Speaker 1: Where do you put it on your best friend? On
Speaker 1: their forehead underneath their scrotum? We're super glued? Like, where
Speaker 1: should I put one on you?
Speaker 2: You lick the back of it, just press it to
Speaker 2: their head?
Speaker 1: Fuk and hell, good luck sticking on my head because
Speaker 1: it's a vast expanse.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of real estate on both of our heads,
Speaker 2: isn't there. We could go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just going to a little bit of super
Speaker 1: glue and I'm going to have it a scrotal tag
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 3: So I had this instance where when I traveled overseas,
Speaker 3: what three or four years ago was the last big
Speaker 3: overseas trip. I was with a maid of mine and
Speaker 3: we were stuck at one of a German air but
Speaker 3: I think it might have been Frankfurt Airport, and the
Speaker 3: flight had been.
Speaker 2: Delayed and delayed and delayed.
Speaker 3: And we're saying, well, what's happening. Are we about to board?
Speaker 3: What's going on? And the guy at the counter said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: the baggage is already on the plane. We're ready to
Speaker 3: have you across. And my mate pulls up his phone
Speaker 3: and says, no, they're not. There's the plane over there.
Speaker 3: My baggage is still over here because he had his
Speaker 3: Apple air Tag and it was hilarious. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 3: it's great, isn't it. But the new version of the
Speaker 3: Apple air tag is now version two is going to
Speaker 3: have a better range, and it's going to mean that
Speaker 3: because the way that it works, which is kind of cool,
Speaker 3: is if the air tag connects to your phone by Bluetooth,
Speaker 3: then at a certain points you're going to lose connectivity
Speaker 3: because the tag is further away from your phone. Then
Speaker 3: you can, you know, have a range connection too. But
Speaker 3: what it then does is it searches for other iPhones
Speaker 3: and it piggybacks off their signal and then retransmits that
Speaker 3: back to you via the network. So effectively it forms
Speaker 3: this kind of giant web. So if you imagine a
Speaker 3: picture of all the iPhones in Victoria and then you
Speaker 3: connect all the dots. That's the mesh that it's using.
Speaker 3: So when it drops out from one person's iPhone, it
Speaker 3: then reconnects to another iPhone. And that's what's made this
Speaker 3: such a really great gadget because they're cheap, and so
Speaker 3: the new version that's coming out is going to be
Speaker 3: a heck of a lot better and it's going to
Speaker 3: you know, it's a great bluetooth tracker that I think
Speaker 3: people in the Apple ecosystem are really getting the benefits from.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you with you're at the back.
Speaker 1: Yes, I just put my hand up everyone like a
Speaker 1: fucking year four student.
Speaker 2: How much of these grasshopper either about twenty five bucks? Okay,
Speaker 2: So what is the with the new one?
Speaker 1: What's the if you're not going through everybody else's jumping
Speaker 1: off the back of everyone else's iPhone, what's just the distance?
Speaker 2: Like the range?
Speaker 3: That's a really good question. I think one of the
Speaker 3: things they're doing with the new one is increasing the range.
Speaker 3: I don't know that I know exactly what the range is.
Speaker 2: Do you know the old one?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I don't know that either. Really, fucking hell, you got
Speaker 2: one job, bro.
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about I fucking Apple tags.
Speaker 2: Air tags yeah, oh yeah, how do they work? I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: Thirty to one hundred feet, so ten to thirty meters.
Speaker 3: That's for proximity and precision finding. So they're great around
Speaker 3: the house. If you've lost your keys, you've got your
Speaker 3: wallet somewhere, you can put a tag in there. But
Speaker 3: that's the direct Bluetooth range up to thirty meters.
Speaker 2: That's me much bigger than that. Come on, Apple, Well,
Speaker 2: that's sort of sick.
Speaker 1: I want something that if I left my keys in Elwood,
Speaker 1: I can find them.
Speaker 3: But this but to find my network range is what
Speaker 3: we were talking about the web. But that basically is
Speaker 3: unlimited because it's tracking worldwide as long as the air
Speaker 3: tag is near another Apple device, so as long as
Speaker 3: it's another Apple device. That's why for me, it wouldn't
Speaker 3: work too well if I'm out hiking with Fritz out
Speaker 3: in the country, because there's no one else hiking at
Speaker 3: the same time, so effectively I wouldn't be in range
Speaker 3: of anybody.
Speaker 5: And that's what I kind of fund I'll kind of
Speaker 5: find this Fritzius. I actually have a bluetes. I've got
Speaker 5: a GPS tracker for Fritzi, so I can. He's got
Speaker 5: his own GPS tracker just in case.
Speaker 1: He's such a cute dog. He's so like old gentlemanly.
Speaker 1: He's like now, it's just it's just I don't know.
Speaker 1: He looks like he's wise. He's probably a moron, but
Speaker 1: he looks wise.
Speaker 2: He's probably wiser than I am. He's probably wiser than
Speaker 2: both of us.
Speaker 1: Patrick, tell people where they are future mayor of Balan
Speaker 1: and surroundings. Tell people vote one Patrick. I'll be his
Speaker 1: campaign manager. All the details out soon. You're welcome. How
Speaker 1: can people connect with you while you're still less famous?
Speaker 3: I'm here on the podcast, dude, I'm on the new
Speaker 3: project that's got to be worth something. Websites dot com
Speaker 3: websites now dot com today. You and if you have
Speaker 3: an idea, or you have a topic, or you don't
Speaker 3: like me in Craig, or you want to help something,
Speaker 3: then then go to the form page on the contact
Speaker 3: page so websites now dot com today you and we
Speaker 3: will fight about it on the next show.
Speaker 2: Has that Oh yeah, we love well.
Speaker 1: I think the fact if we got on agreed about everything,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't believe us.
Speaker 2: I'd go that's bullshit. We like to debate a lot.
Speaker 2: All right, it's been real. Thank you Patrick,