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Speaker 1: I get a team. It's a you project. It's Patrick

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Speaker 1: and Craig. It's we are officially tipless, which sounds like syphless,

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Speaker 1: but it's not. It's we're tipless, not siphless, and straight

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Speaker 1: into it. It's Friday here and the thriving metropolis. I'll

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Speaker 1: say that again slower for our American listeners.

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Speaker 2: Friday.

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Speaker 1: It is sixteen minutes past nine in the am. It's

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Speaker 1: the thirtieth of the first. We're sliding into February already, Patrick,

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Speaker 1: we're already well and truly past the new year, like

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Speaker 1: we're into the next month.

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Speaker 2: Nelly.

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Speaker 3: That just fills me with dread. And you know what,

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Speaker 3: it's take two, isn't it. Sorry, that was kind of funny, So.

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Speaker 2: Tell everyone what you did to me.

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Speaker 3: So Paul Craig is so excited about the intro of

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Speaker 3: the show and he gets in there and he does

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Speaker 3: his rave and it's sounding great. But he was over

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Speaker 3: a termin radio called over modulating. He was yelling so

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Speaker 3: much that it was clipping the VU level meter. Craigo,

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Speaker 3: if you had a you meet her in front of you,

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Speaker 3: it would be belting the red. It would probably smash

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck you, vu Meter, stick it up your bottom.

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Speaker 1: That's why I have you, because you're the tech geek.

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Speaker 1: You can go, hey fucking loudy McLoud, start rein it in.

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Speaker 1: Just slow it down, lower it down, get back in

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Speaker 1: the sweet spot where you're not deafening people.

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Speaker 2: I can be.

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Speaker 1: I can be a lot like you have to. The

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Speaker 1: thing is too when you do it every day right.

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Speaker 1: You want to get yourself into a place where like

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Speaker 1: you've got good energy, but sometimes that just gets twisted in.

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Speaker 2: With the volume.

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Speaker 3: I just like to think that when I'm on the show,

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Speaker 3: you get more excited.

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Speaker 1: I take it asa you know, well, I definitely look

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Speaker 1: forward to podcasts with you because you know, this is

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Speaker 1: purely subjective and our listeners may or may not agree.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like over the last while, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like our shows are better. Probably some people

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Speaker 2: It's more fun. Like we've had a lot of fun recently.

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Speaker 1: But what I love about you is I don't need

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Speaker 1: to do any planning because for those who don't know,

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Speaker 1: Patrick sets the agenda for what we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about and just sends it through to me. I literally

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Speaker 1: It's not like I've read and then opened up the

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Speaker 1: link and then read that I've done nothing, which suits

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Speaker 1: me perfectly because I'm in the middle of my productivity.

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Speaker 1: I'm also have a propensity for laziness, so that suits me.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, our shows are easy. You and Me is

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Speaker 1: probably the easiest, least effort show, so thank you for that,

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Speaker 1: but not so much laziness for you because you have

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Speaker 1: to do or did you do this prep? Or did

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Speaker 3: What I do is I read a whole lot of

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Speaker 3: It's kind of it's fun. I enjoy it because I

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Speaker 3: just I love tech and I love what's going on

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Speaker 3: Other times. Yeah, it's but it's nice to to kind

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Speaker 3: of spitball it, you know, it's good to chat about questions.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's part of the enjoyment is that

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Speaker 3: nice you challenge me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we were talking about this off air, right,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about which we won't mention the specifics,

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Speaker 1: And I like the fact, like when people become very

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Speaker 1: This later, well, that's confirmation bias, right, where you only

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Speaker 2: I just do what works for me. But it's much

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Speaker 1: Criticize someone else's behavior or lifestyle because it means you

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Speaker 1: of this shit is emotional too, Like you're a vegetarian

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Speaker 1: People say are getting in shape, it's all about you

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Speaker 1: And I was thinking I wrote this thing last night.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, of course, of course, how many days

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Speaker 1: But more than ever, I was much more closed minded

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Speaker 1: by the Father. Right, this is unequivocal. This is not

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Speaker 1: Wait more on that later. The mayor of Balan. You

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Speaker 3: What's VPN virtual private network where you try to relocate

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00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 3: yourself digitally into another country. So right, mix account and

436
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 3: the program that you want to watch is an available

437
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 3: in Australia, but it's available in the US or Canada.

438
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 3: You could say, well, I'm in Canada, now log onto

439
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 3: your account and then watch the Canadian I don't know

440
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 3: how to eat track down and eat bears. I don't

441
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 3: know whatever it is.

442
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: I just had a brilliant idea that turned out to

443
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 1: be not so brilliant. Or while you were saying that

444
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: I was going to start raising homing pigeons, then I thought,

445
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: how do I sell them in a run?

446
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 2: I can't advertise them all right in the order to

447
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:02,959
Speaker 2: flyer attached to it.

448
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 1: Could you imagine the old days like that was technology?

449
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine you can send a message one hundred

450
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: miles and then I'll mate put some message in the

451
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: old bit of metal around the foot and sends another

452
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: message back to you and you get a two hundred

453
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: mile relay in a few hours.

454
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 2: What about if.

455
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 3: You've got a pigeon coop right, and it's full of pigeons,

456
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 3: the pigeon flies three hundred kilometers, gets there and it

457
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: gets to there and sorry, can't fit you in. Your

458
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: pigeon coop is full? Return to send it?

459
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 2: Ah.

460
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Speaker 1: Oh, you're like, oh the fucking oh, you got to

461
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: clear out some of your pigeons. Bro it existed, not

462
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: enough space. Ah, that's funny. Tech giants head to Landmark

463
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: US trial over social media addiction claims.

464
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to say it again.

465
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Speaker 1: Tech giants head to Landmark US trial over social media

466
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Speaker 1: This is a very addiction claim. This is a very

467
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Speaker 1: slippery slope and very hard to prove and vary from

468
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: a psychology and a technology and it's like, it's very

469
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: hard to say because there's so many variables in this.

470
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: But what's the story? Tell us?

471
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Speaker 3: There's an organization called the Social Media Victim Law Center

472
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: and there's an attorney representing them. This's the first time

473
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: this has gone to court, and what they're trying to

474
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Speaker 3: do is they're taking all these multiple CEOs to court,

475
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 3: including Mark Zuckerberg. They're targeting Meta and YouTube and TikTok

476
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: and they're basically accusing them of making products that intentionally

477
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Speaker 3: are addictive and harmful to young people. And this has

478
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Speaker 3: I was reading through the article and it kind of

479
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 3: makes sense. I see where they're going with this, because

480
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Speaker 3: they're saying that the actual mechanics of how social media

481
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Speaker 3: works is designed to manipulate people. So they're you know,

482
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Speaker 3: and there are one hundred with sixteen hundred plaintiffs, so

483
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: it's a lot of people involved, more than three hundred

484
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Speaker 3: and fifty families, two hundred and fifty school districts. This

485
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: is quite a big landmark case. But what I thought

486
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 3: was really interesting and where it relates to us here

487
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: in Australia is one of the things that was quoted

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Speaker 3: by the people who are running the case. One of

489
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Speaker 3: the experts was saying that it's not about blocking children

490
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Speaker 3: from social media, it's about the onus being on social

491
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Speaker 3: media being as addictive and manipulative as it is.

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Speaker 2: So you know, if.

493
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Speaker 3: Australians say, Okay, we're just going to not let Australian

494
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Speaker 3: kids under the age of sixteen access the Internet, access

495
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Speaker 3: social media. You're not solving the problem of social media.

496
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: You're not forcing the tech giants to change the algorithms

497
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Speaker 3: to fix the problem. You're just stopping kids from having

498
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Speaker 3: access and potentially making it difficult too for some kids

499
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 3: that you may have issues where they're isolated and they

500
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: need social media to connect with community. So this is

501
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 3: the problem. But under the current system. The problem with

502
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: the system is what they're alleging is that young people

503
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Speaker 3: get hooked, that they fall prey to depression, eating disorders,

504
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: self harm, and other mental health issues. So that's the

505
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 3: basis for the case. But it was interesting that it

506
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 3: had that Australian connection in terms of, you know, just

507
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 3: shutting the door on social media isn't fixing the problem

508
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 3: because it's not fixing the social media entity itself.

509
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's I mean, it's a good point.

510
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: Like designing, I'm thinking about creating products or services or

511
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: whatever or technology that's potentially addictive I'm sure and intentionally

512
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: doing that, and then I'm thinking, oh, imagine if there

513
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: was anything else like that, like ah booze or sugar

514
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: or cigarettes or gambling, horse racing, casinos or pawn or

515
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: junk food or vapes or all of these things are

516
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: literally created to addict people, like all of them, Like,

517
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Speaker 1: none of them are healthy, none of them are good

518
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Speaker 1: for you. At least social media can be used in

519
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: a positive way. Yeah, it's like, well, I mean, marketing

520
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: in a way is trying to get people, if not

521
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: intertwined with whatever it is that they're selling, addicted, And

522
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah.

523
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Speaker 2: So it is valid.

524
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: But also the world is full of companies selling things

525
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: that are to an extent addictive already.

526
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Speaker 2: Look, I see what you're saying.

527
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Speaker 3: I guess the proliferation of social media and the exposing

528
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Speaker 3: of young people because predominantly we're talking about young people.

529
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Speaker 3: This court case relates to young people who are potentially

530
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Speaker 3: hurting themselves.

531
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Speaker 2: Going down that rabbit hole, and that.

532
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Speaker 3: The socialia and I know what you're saying, You're right,

533
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: smoking all the rest of it is harmful to people.

534
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: We know that, I guess. But when you think of

535
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 3: how many people smoke and how many people are exposed

536
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: to say, social media and the way that social media

537
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: talks about being connected and fluffy and lovely, and you know,

538
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. I think the insidious nature

539
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: of it is what we're kind of talking about, but

540
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Speaker 3: also the proliferation of social media more so than anything else.

541
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but we unequivocally know, unequivocally that smoking kills

542
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Speaker 1: people literally directly physiologically, it causes cancer. But any eighteen

543
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: year old can go to seven eleven and buy ten

544
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: packs today if they could afford it, and you know

545
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: that's but nonetheless it's totally legal and accessible. Like there's

546
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that is very bad for people

547
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: that is very available to people because it's lining pockets.

548
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: And of course I'm not trying to be the moral

549
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: high horse on this, but it's just true. And then

550
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: we jump up and down, which, by the way, I

551
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: hate the fact that kids' lives are being destroyed to

552
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: some level by social media, but I also think, well,

553
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: that is true. It is also true that we have

554
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Speaker 1: free will. It is also true that at the very

555
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: least we have a capacity to go. I'm not going

556
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: to look at that all day. Otherwise we say we

557
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: have no oh, I'm not in control of my life.

558
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: Social media.

559
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Speaker 1: If you're saying that you have no responsibility in this

560
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: or you have no control. It's that your brain and

561
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: your body and your willpower has been hijacked by this thing.

562
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: Then you've got no idea of your own potential and

563
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: you're literally handing over the power to something that is

564
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: not you. So I think one I agree with you,

565
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: but I think there needs to be a message that

566
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: we fucking humans at some stage need to take at

567
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: least a little bit of responsibility and ownership for what

568
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: we do. We can't always sue everyone else for what

569
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: we are literally doing because there are lots of kids

570
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: who are not abusing it. So if social media was

571
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Speaker 1: absolutely the problem, then everybody would be having the same

572
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: consequence and they're not, which absolutely proves that it's a

573
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Speaker 1: combination of factors and one being the user.

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Speaker 3: No, I do agree with what you're saying to a degree.

575
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: You know, when we talked about smoking, it's black and white.

576
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: There's absolutely, definitively the facts are all there that you know,

577
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: it's all been done. We know that if you choose

578
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: to smoke, you know that you're taking on a risk.

579
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: Social media isn't necessarily it's veiled. It's more veiled than that.

580
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: You know, you might feel like you're missing out because

581
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 3: you're not connected to your community, but the way that

582
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: the algorithm is designed is to manipulate you, particularly young minds.

583
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: And I was just looking at some stats in Australia.

584
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: It's still around about ten percent, ten to eleven percent

585
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 3: of Australians actually smoke in Australia. That's what the statistics say.

586
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: That's twenty twenty two to twenty three statistics. Now twenty

587
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: eight to seventy nine percent of Australians are on social media,

588
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of in terms of comparatively, But

589
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: I know what you're saying, Wow.

590
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: The really important figure is how many people are dying?

591
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: Right and then use Well yeah, but also for every

592
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: one of those smokers, every one of them, it's bad.

593
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: But for the social media users that's not the case.

594
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: What the lawsuit's saying is that the algorithm, that what

595
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: these apps are doing is manipulating people behind the scenes,

596
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: and that they're deliberately doing this. So we're saying, great,

597
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: this is great, Well, you know, we can go on

598
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: by swap and sell, we can jump onto Facebook. But

599
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: what they're saying is that these companies are deliberately, subversively

600
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: manipulating people and it's not. It's young people particularly that

601
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: they're focusing on, and that what seems like it's an

602
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: innocent thing is not and it's insidious. And this, I

603
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: mean this is claims. Of course, this is why it's

604
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: going to court, because the claims are that it's manipulating people.

605
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 3: The claims are that it's in an insidious thing that

606
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: looks nice and fluffy on the outside but in fact

607
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: has been designed in such a way to suck our

608
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: lives through the computer screen.

609
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: All right, good now, I'm going to present the opposition case.

610
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: Right.

611
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: What you're saying is it's veiled. It's not fucking veiled.

612
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: It's all we talk about is the dangers of social media.

613
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: Like you need to turn on the Telly bro because

614
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: every fucking day there's more stories on how horrible social

615
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: media is. I can see, Fritz, don't try and don't

616
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: try and woo me with your fucking cute dog. It's

617
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: not happening, right. And then the other thing is we're

618
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: saying it's manipulating people. No, that's not true. That's unequivocal.

619
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Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent, not one hundred percent? Oh well,

620
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: who well some people? Oh is it also true that

621
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 1: some people are not being manipulated. Also true. So to

622
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: say this categoric statement that this thing does that to

623
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: humans is again misleading. It has the potential, it has

624
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: the capacity, like you can't just pump it with emotion

625
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: and go. It's horrible. It's doing this to all our teenagers,

626
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: because that's not true. It does it to some you know,

627
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: and it's the same it can be with humans. And

628
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: is it fucking up some or our some lives being

629
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: fucked up as a result of certain kid's addiction to

630
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: a behavior on social media. I would think unequivocally yes,

631
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: I completely agree. But if the cause was let's just

632
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: go with Instagram or whatever, let's just go with Instagram.

633
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: If the cause was Instagram, then how comes so many

634
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: people who use Instagram are not having that outcome? Because

635
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: it isn't only about Instagram, it isn't only about the

636
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: social media and this is what we want to do,

637
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: we go, It's got nothing to do with us. We

638
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: are just the victim. That's bullshit. That's people not taking

639
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: responsibility for their own time, or their own choices, or

640
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: their own use of their energy. Don't pick up the

641
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: fucking phone, it's optional. Don't look at it it's optional,

642
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: like the whole Oh I'm not you know, this whole

643
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: thing going around at the moment about obesity, which is like, oh,

644
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: it's got nothing to do with you or your behavior,

645
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: or it's like it does bro. I know that's uncomfortable,

646
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: but no, it's all about having this gene. I go, well,

647
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 1: if it's all about genetics, and how come one hundred

648
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: years ago the obesity rate was lower than three percent,

649
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: we're not that genetically different, right, and now it's sixty

650
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: six percent, sixty seven percent for obesit in overweight. I'm

651
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: not saying it's it's got nothing to do with genetics,

652
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: of course it has. But to say that these things

653
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with us, we're in this generation

654
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: where people want to avoid responsibility, accountability, ownership. I think

655
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: it's what you're saying, and what I'm saying is the truth.

656
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: It's that combination.

657
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, listen to you, Come on, come on, surely

658
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 3: you've got to say one day.

659
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 2: That's a good point, Harps. It's an amazingly good point.

660
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 3: And there's nothing that you've just said that I don't totally,

661
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: unequivocably believe and agree with absolutely. I know that there

662
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: are a percentage of people out there who need to

663
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: be protected from themselves or make bad decisions and whatever

664
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: the reason is they you know, do you know what

665
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: I'm saying? And not everybody can be Craig Harper. No,

666
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: I've never suggested that. I would not suggest that. No,

667
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 3: but hang on, hang on, that's unfair. That's I would

668
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: never suggest that. And you know that now.

669
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: I see.

670
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I am not fucking special. I am

671
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: not genetically gifted. I was a morbilly obese child. I

672
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: am genetically predisposed to gain weight. I do have an

673
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: addictive personality. I fucking know that you can change the

674
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: quality of your life and your outcomes and your physiology

675
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: and your psychology and your behavior if.

676
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: You want to do it enough. But people don't like that.

677
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: Because that requires self control and effort and accountability. So

678
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: we'd rather go yeah, yeah, yeah, but this, but this

679
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: does that to me. It's just I don't know. I

680
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: feel like we're just entering a time where nobody does

681
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 1: anything wrong. It's nobody's fault. Whatever your outcomes are, it's

682
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: not you, it's something else. And I know that mediocre me,

683
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: like mediocre me, can produce amazing results just because I

684
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: do the things that produce amazing results, not because I

685
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: am inherently amazing.

686
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: Now.

687
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: Look, and it's a part of me that was against

688
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 3: the social media ban for kids under sixteen because you know,

689
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 3: is it about more educating and being proactive about using

690
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: these tools and saying, well, this is what can happen

691
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 3: when you use social media.

692
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: However, there are a lot of positives because you.

693
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: Get your community with your people, with your tribe. So

694
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: what we're going to do is teach you to use

695
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: this in a way that's going to make it acceptable

696
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: and available to you without just shutting the door. And

697
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 3: maybe we live in a nanny state too much. Maybe

698
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: we keep making excuses for people. I mean, it was

699
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 3: a few years ago, Craigo that I think the AMA,

700
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: the Australian Medical Association told GPS directed GPS to start

701
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 3: using language like fat and obese in their conversations with

702
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 3: patients who are overweight, because it got to the point

703
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: where it wasn't so much political correctness, but it was

704
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: seen to be you can't call someone fat, you can't

705
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: call someone obese.

706
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: You know it's not right, You're going to hurt that.

707
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: It's just identifying a state. It's not I'm not calling

708
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: you fat. It's like calling someone a cunt. I get it.

709
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: That's horrible, right, Calling someone a fuck with not good.

710
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: But identifying and recognizing that, let's go with me, so

711
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: then no one can be hurt. When I was in

712
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: my early thirties, I was one hundred and seventeen kilos,

713
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: which is nearly forty kilos. I was fat, right, That's

714
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: not an insult. That's a recognition and an awareness of

715
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: my body, of my body composition. But the problem is, see,

716
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: if someone goes, you're tall, everyone's cool. If you've got

717
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: beautiful red hair or blonde hair, great, if you've got

718
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: great fucking jaw structure, or if you've got wide sholves.

719
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: But as soon as anyone says the truth that you know, Craig,

720
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: you're fat, people are like, oh, you can't say that.

721
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: Oh well, honestly you can. And if you choose to

722
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: get offended now walking down the street pointing out to

723
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: someone that they're fat, I'm not talking about that. I'm

724
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: talking about in the context of potentially a clinical or

725
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: a health setting where we're talking about your longevity, your

726
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: health span, your lifespan, acknowledging that your current body composition

727
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: doesn't lend itself to a healthy long life. But that's

728
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: what I'm talking I actually love people, and I actually

729
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: want to be real with people and say, listen, I

730
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: care about your long term physical health more than your

731
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: feelings for the next two minutes. If all, if my

732
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: job is just to make you feel good and tell

733
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: you what you want to hear, then I'm going to

734
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 1: go get a new job, because fuck that. My job

735
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: is not to lie to people, mislead people, and kind

736
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: of stroke their ego or emotions for two minutes. My

737
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: job is literally to help people become empowered and resilient

738
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: and strong and aware and choose the life they want

739
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: to live and hopefully help equip them to do that. Now,

740
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: you can't live in a psychological, as you called, nanny

741
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: state for that. And it's not about self loathing. It's

742
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: about self wi awareness.

743
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: You know.

744
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: Saying I'm overweight, that's not blame and shame. That's just

745
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: fucking true. I'm overweight, I'm too fat. Cool, Okay, do

746
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: something about it. I will, thanks, you know, And that's me.

747
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: That's this is just a subject that I've been dealing

748
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: with for forty years, and I've just seen it get

749
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse. I've seen Australians get less

750
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: and less healthy, more and more dysfunctional, more disease. The

751
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: only reason, in fact, we're not living longer now, we've

752
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: started to go backwards first time in history. But the

753
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: only reason we live as long as we do in

754
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: many instances is just because we've got better and better medication.

755
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: It's not because people are doing shit healthier, you know.

756
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: But now what we've seen is the actual health span,

757
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: the period of time of a person's life, percentage of

758
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: time where they are healthy, has reduced dramatically. Yeah, they're

759
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: living until they're eighty five, but from sixty they're fucked.

760
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: You know. They're medicated up the.

761
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: Wazoo, and people born in nineteen thirty six are more

762
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: likely to live to one hundred than people after that

763
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: time period.

764
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: So as the rest. Yeah, that's right.

765
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 3: Our longevity and also quality of life is reducing, you know. Interestingly,

766
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 3: someone said to me the other day, and others not tech,

767
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: but they said, oh, you're too thin.

768
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: Hah. Yeah.

769
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: I got told that too by a doctor by my

770
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: ear guy recently. You're too thin.

771
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I'm like, I know he meant.

772
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Well, but it's like somebody who has fucking bodiedy morpha

773
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: and spent his life trying to be in good shape

774
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: and then trying not to be fat, and then some

775
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: motherfucker goes, you're too he reckons.

776
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: That's God bless him. I won't say his name.

777
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: He's actually a very good dude, but he thinks that

778
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: literally could be contributing to my fucked ears. How funny is.

779
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: That when you were one hundred and seventeen kilo's what

780
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 3: your AI mirror would have said to you when it

781
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: was describing you.

782
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: Would have told me that I was stocky and well

783
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: built and strong and powerful, and I wish Yeah, I

784
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: probably would have tuned right in. I would have gone,

785
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: you right, bro.

786
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: No.

787
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: The reason I'm asking this is there is some this

788
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: is great tech. This is an AI mirror, we're calling

789
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: it AI mirrors, but smart devices that are helping blind

790
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: people see themselves. So, for example, originally it was things

791
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: like helping blind people navigate the world, so you I

792
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 3: and smart tech to see the world around them, but

793
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: more increasingly people were also using them, so women were

794
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: putting on their makeup using these AI devices, so they too, wow,

795
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 3: and they get assistance because they can't see themselves, they're

796
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: getting assistance with this AI tech to help them get

797
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: ready in the morning, you know, spend your twenty minutes

798
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 3: putting on your makeup and stuff like that.

799
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 2: I thought it was really cool.

800
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 3: There's an article with this woman by the name of

801
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: Lucy Edwards who's blind, and she's a content creator and

802
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 3: so she basically is, you know, she's been showing her

803
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: passion for beauty and styling, which is interesting because you know,

804
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: for a long time she was quoted as saying that,

805
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: you know, being a blind person, you know you're beautiful

806
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: on the inside.

807
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't care.

808
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 4: That's kind of like a terrible backhanded compliment. It's like, ah,

809
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 4: it's like when mom goes, yeah, but you're beautiful to me.

810
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, ah, God, well, this time is kind of

811
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 4: want to be beautiful to you, for God's sakes.

812
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: This company called Vision was one of the first companies

813
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: to use artificial intelligence for blind people, and they started

814
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, but it've come a long way since then.

815
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: And basically they they thought initially that what would happen

816
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: is that their app would be used for people to

817
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: navigate the world, and then they were really surprised, you know,

818
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: like using it to read letters or go shopping and

819
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. But they started to find

820
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: that a lot of their customers, we're using it to

821
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: coordinate their outfits.

822
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 2: So what am I going to wear today?

823
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 3: Does this pair of pants clash with the top that

824
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 3: I'm wearing.

825
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: Isn't that cool? I thought that's amazing. Can I just

826
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: ask is the app? Is it glasses? Is it something

827
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: that pins onto you?

828
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: What is it?

829
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: Well, you can there's an app for the phone, so

830
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: he just turned the front facing camera to you. But

831
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 3: if you're navigating the world and using it to read something,

832
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 3: it could be smart glasses as well. So because smart

833
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: glasses now you can just wear and it will effectively

834
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: tell you what's going on. Actually, I've got to I'm

835
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: catching up for lunch tomorrow with a good friend of

836
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: mine who's blind. I'm going to ask him about this

837
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: and see because he's married, so I don't know how

838
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: and I've never asked him whether his wife tells him

839
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: what to wear in the morning or whether.

840
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: He just chucks out myself.

841
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 3: So I'll have to ask him that tomorrow because they're

842
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 3: really good friends and I've never really thought that way.

843
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: It'sn't that interesting.

844
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to be blind and shout out

845
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: to our blind listeners, are well done you for navigating

846
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: the world.

847
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: Someone told me from Vision Australia once that one of

848
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: the terms that they really help hate people using is

849
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: you know, the term vision impaired and visually impaired. That's

850
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: very different. So impaired they can't see. But if someone's

851
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 3: visually impaired, they just look bad.

852
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: What do you think about it? Terrible? But that's how

853
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: you see. What do you think about it? Vision impaired?

854
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: But whoever says someone's visually impaired, they.

855
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 2: Do all the time. It's said in the meeting.

856
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: You mean as a mistake, So yes, yeah, that's so,

857
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: it's a common mistake that people say they're visually You

858
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: know that someone is visually impaired and they're not visually impaired,

859
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: they're vision impaired.

860
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: Well you could say to someone your vision impaired, which

861
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: is probably a bonus right now because I'm visually impaired,

862
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: so lucky you you know, I I know we've got

863
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: a list that we may or may not get through

864
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: tell me about and this is none your list, But

865
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know I'm quite in interested in the

866
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: rayband type of glasses that have a camera that have

867
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: been around for a few years. It seems like, I

868
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: don't know, they're in a bit of a holding pattern.

869
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: Maybe they're a bit better than they were. But so

870
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: they essentially can be a phone and the internet and

871
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: a recording device, video camera, all of it in one

872
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: am I correct on that.

873
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so look they do pair up with your

874
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: phone at the moment, but you means that you as

875
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: you're walking along the street, you could start recording something.

876
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 3: But even more so, it can be looking at things

877
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 3: and analyzing them and providing information. So turn by turn directions,

878
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: it could say, you know, turn left here. It could

879
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 3: be paired up with your smartphone while you're using directional

880
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: maps and all that sort of thing. But I guess

881
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 3: one of the big things was the privacy concerns having

882
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: a camera built in. When's the camera active? So all

883
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: of these smart devices have a little white light that

884
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 3: comes on when the camera is being used, the video

885
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: or the still phone.

886
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 1: Ah, that's good, that's good.

887
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: Otherwise you look like what I don't have one, but.

888
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: You would look like creepy creepster just fucking being able

889
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: to look at someone and record them.

890
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, yeah, I call them perve glasses.

891
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: It's you know, you know the people who buy them,

892
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: the people who used to buy the reflective ones that

893
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: I'm kidding. You know how people had reflective sunnis and

894
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: you always were a bit you know you thought, No.

895
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 2: I tried a pair of those, I looked.

896
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: I probably look like a wanker all the time, but

897
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: fucking a bigger anker.

898
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they smartt better.

899
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: You'll eventually have heads up display that will give you

900
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: real time translations. I know we've spoken about this before,

901
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 3: but I'm pretty excited because I feel that down the track,

902
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 3: I would like to use AI smart glasses to accompany

903
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 3: me throughout the day and say I don't forget, you've

904
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 3: got to do this. And during your meeting, the key

905
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 3: points that came out of it was this, this and

906
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: this that that works for me. I reckon I could

907
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: do that, but it's the privacy issue and where that data.

908
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 2: Is going to be stored is what is Chris crucial

909
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: for me?

910
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 1: Imagine if you can you know you're in a one

911
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: hour business meeting or board meeting or whatever it is.

912
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: You've got your glasses on, you're recording, and then you

913
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: say later on you're like, oh, what did Brian say

914
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: about that second deal? And you go bring up the

915
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: audio where Brian talks about that second deal. It's about

916
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 1: halfway through the meeting, and it just brings up how

917
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: cool would that be?

918
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: Now you can do that? Now? Wow?

919
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: And then go also print that or send that to

920
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: my email, send it as an email to my email

921
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: so that I've got a written copy of it as well.

922
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,479
Speaker 3: Transcribe it. That's what Brian said. Send it back to Brian. Hey, Brian, Hell,

923
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 3: that's the problem. The problem is not the technology is

924
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 3: not there. The problems me the problems. I'm still sending

925
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 3: fucking carrier pigeons and writing notes in crayon.

926
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: It's pretty fully.

927
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: Am I the right person for this show? It's dawning

928
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: on me.

929
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: Absolute right person for this show because you ask great questions.

930
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 1: Oh god, God, yeah, I love I will say though

931
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: I do love tech, like the I love the fact

932
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: that I can drive. Obviously, I'm I think my listeners now,

933
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: I drive to Ronn and Mary's, my parents a lot,

934
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: and it's four hours each time, and there's not one

935
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: trip that I have where I don't have at least

936
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: one conversation.

937
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 2: And I mean back and forth multiple.

938
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: Times with AI about something where I go, you know,

939
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: I literally say hi to it and goes, hey, Craig,

940
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: what's up? And I go, I want to chat to

941
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: you about something? And then I just propose an idea

942
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: or a concept or I'm thinking about this, thinking about.

943
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: Doing a workshop on that.

944
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: I've got a you know, I've got this problem.

945
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: I want to just it's so good.

946
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: And it's not that it gets everything right or I

947
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 1: operational everything it thinks or suggests, but fucking hell, it's

948
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: like having a high level conversation with a pretty fucking

949
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: smart person whenever you want and they don't get tired.

950
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 3: And I think the key thing is going to be

951
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: not just the aspects of what you're talking about, but

952
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: is once you incorporate history, so it knew what you

953
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 3: did last week, but it also knew what you did

954
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: three and four and five weeks ago. That's going to

955
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: help streamline the processes that you make, the decisions that

956
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 3: you make as well. I think that having that there,

957
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 3: and I think in the terms of you know what

958
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 3: if someone has dementia or they're in the early stages

959
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 3: of dementia, this could be really handy for them.

960
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: You know.

961
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: I know when Mums started to kind of go down

962
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: that rabbit hole, you know, we were trying to encourage her.

963
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: We put signs on the fridge, you know, little notes

964
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: for reminder. But that AI company and I kind of

965
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: think about this too. As a person who lives by themselves,

966
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 3: I think it would be great to have that AI

967
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: companion helping in assisting in what I was doing. And

968
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: I think that if we can use this tech to

969
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 3: help people stay home longer and safer, to be in

970
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 3: their own home, to be protected, to be checked on,

971
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 3: all that sort of, I think it's great. I think

972
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: it's technology being used to help people is always wonderful.

973
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: And then a.

974
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: Podcasts the other day with a cardiologist who's right up there,

975
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: great guy, good business, but very like he wants to

976
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: work with people, or he wants his team to work

977
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: with people before they have massive issues.

978
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: Right.

979
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: He's ironically his goal is not to see people on

980
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: the operating table. Like I really liked him. His name's

981
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: doctor David O'Donnell, and I was driving and I was

982
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: I generally need to be sitting down about quarter of

983
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: an hour before the podcast to at least get a

984
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: bit of an insight into I look at their bio,

985
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: I look at their maybe five minutes of video just

986
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: to get a but I want enough, but not too much,

987
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: because I generally don't want to know.

988
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: The answers to the questions I have.

989
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: Right, And so I was running late and I said

990
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: to CHATGPT, so I'm interviewing this guy. This is who

991
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: he is, this is what he does. I haven't prepared.

992
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: I want you to come up with a snapshot of

993
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 1: who he is and what he does, and I want

994
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: you to write, come up with ten to twenty questions

995
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: that you know I may or may not use, and

996
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: then it comes up in total and then it goes, sure, Craig,

997
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: I'll do a typ style intro and typ style you know,

998
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: like you centric you know, and it brings up this

999
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: thing that is fucking amazing. Turns out I really didn't

1000
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: use any of it because that kind of gave me

1001
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: a sense of who he was. But just in terms

1002
00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: of what it can produce in one minute, where you go, man,

1003
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: this is depending on the situation and the application. This

1004
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: stuff is life changing, if not at the very least

1005
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: massively time saving.

1006
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 2: I feel like I.

1007
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: Want to pick up my phone and call you to

1008
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: see if you will actually answer. And I've just been

1009
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: talking to chat GPT all this time, just impersonating.

1010
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: You exactly exactly.

1011
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: You never know, do you know that you and I

1012
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: have been chatting for Nellian out?

1013
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 4: All?

1014
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: Right, let's do one or two.

1015
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: You pick whatever one you want to do, rather me pluck,

1016
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: Let's do one that tells light you up.

1017
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: A little bit. No, I don want it.

1018
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 3: This is a community service one. Okay. It's been discovered

1019
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: that people who are on older iPhone so the iPhone eight,

1020
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: the eight plus and the X may not connect to

1021
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: Telstra's network after a recent Apple update of their phones,

1022
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: including to triple zero. And I guess given the temperatures

1023
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 3: and what's going on in places like Victoria and New

1024
00:53:55,560 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: South Wales, this is kind of crucial. So may not

1025
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: be able to make that SOS call if you need to.

1026
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 3: And it's just old tech and this came up with

1027
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: Samsung last year, remember with Optus and Samsung. So I

1028
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 3: think just checking your phone is compatible and making sure,

1029
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: but sometimes you can get what we call bricked if

1030
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: your phone doesn't update and it's an older phone. And

1031
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: I kind of frustrates me that, you know, I've got

1032
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 3: a car that's thirty two years old and I can

1033
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 3: still drive, but I certainly don't have a phone that's

1034
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 3: thirty two years old, because you know, after about two

1035
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: hours and thirty five seconds, you need to get the

1036
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 3: new phone.

1037
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: Now.

1038
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 3: It does frustrate me that a phone that was working

1039
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: yesterday suddenly might not work today. So if you've got

1040
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 3: an iPhone eight, then just check it out, make sure

1041
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 3: that it's got full functionality.

1042
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: If you're on the Telstray network, here's that.

1043
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a great community service announcement. Also, I'm

1044
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: worried that now everyone's going to ring Triple zero to

1045
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: see if they can.

1046
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, please don't, please don't do that. Not on it.

1047
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: They go, what's your emergency? Please?

1048
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: Ah, just checking that my phone can reach you, thanks Dave.

1049
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: Maybe a Telstra and check.

1050
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 1: With yeah, yeah, don't please don't ring triples hero unless

1051
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: you actually have an emergency.

1052
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: Imagine that it's on the news tomorrow night. It was

1053
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: like the.

1054
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: Emergency servers overwhelmed with calls from FUK whit seeing that

1055
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: their phoneworks.

1056
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 3: Hey, have you ever used the Apple air tags? I

1057
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: know you're in the Apple ecosystem for a lot of

1058
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 3: stuff that you've got.

1059
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: I have not. Just remind me of what that is.

1060
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 3: So the air tags are literally a little circular disc

1061
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 3: that you can touch to your luggage, to your dog,

1062
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 3: to your best friend, and then you'll.

1063
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: Where they are.

1064
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: Where do you put it on your best friend? On

1065
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: their forehead underneath their scrotum? We're super glued? Like, where

1066
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: should I put one on you?

1067
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: You lick the back of it, just press it to

1068
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 2: their head?

1069
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 1: Fuk and hell, good luck sticking on my head because

1070
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: it's a vast expanse.

1071
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 2: There's a lot of real estate on both of our heads,

1072
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: isn't there. We could go.

1073
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just going to a little bit of super

1074
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 1: glue and I'm going to have it a scrotal tag

1075
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: for you.

1076
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: Hey.

1077
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: So I had this instance where when I traveled overseas,

1078
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 3: what three or four years ago was the last big

1079
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 3: overseas trip. I was with a maid of mine and

1080
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: we were stuck at one of a German air but

1081
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 3: I think it might have been Frankfurt Airport, and the

1082
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 3: flight had been.

1083
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: Delayed and delayed and delayed.

1084
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: And we're saying, well, what's happening. Are we about to board?

1085
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Speaker 3: What's going on? And the guy at the counter said, oh, yeah,

1086
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 3: the baggage is already on the plane. We're ready to

1087
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: have you across. And my mate pulls up his phone

1088
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: and says, no, they're not. There's the plane over there.

1089
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 3: My baggage is still over here because he had his

1090
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 3: Apple air Tag and it was hilarious. Yeah, I know,

1091
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 3: it's great, isn't it. But the new version of the

1092
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 3: Apple air tag is now version two is going to

1093
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 3: have a better range, and it's going to mean that

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00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 3: because the way that it works, which is kind of cool,

1095
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 3: is if the air tag connects to your phone by Bluetooth,

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00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: then at a certain points you're going to lose connectivity

1097
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 3: because the tag is further away from your phone. Then

1098
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 3: you can, you know, have a range connection too. But

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00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 3: what it then does is it searches for other iPhones

1100
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: and it piggybacks off their signal and then retransmits that

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00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 3: back to you via the network. So effectively it forms

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00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 3: this kind of giant web. So if you imagine a

1103
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 3: picture of all the iPhones in Victoria and then you

1104
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 3: connect all the dots. That's the mesh that it's using.

1105
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 3: So when it drops out from one person's iPhone, it

1106
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 3: then reconnects to another iPhone. And that's what's made this

1107
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 3: such a really great gadget because they're cheap, and so

1108
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: the new version that's coming out is going to be

1109
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: a heck of a lot better and it's going to

1110
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 3: you know, it's a great bluetooth tracker that I think

1111
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 3: people in the Apple ecosystem are really getting the benefits from.

1112
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you with you're at the back.

1113
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: Yes, I just put my hand up everyone like a

1114
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: fucking year four student.

1115
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: How much of these grasshopper either about twenty five bucks? Okay,

1116
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: So what is the with the new one?

1117
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: What's the if you're not going through everybody else's jumping

1118
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: off the back of everyone else's iPhone, what's just the distance?

1119
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: Like the range?

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00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 3: That's a really good question. I think one of the

1121
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: things they're doing with the new one is increasing the range.

1122
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 3: I don't know that I know exactly what the range is.

1123
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: Do you know the old one?

1124
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: No?

1125
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 2: I don't know that either. Really, fucking hell, you got

1126
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 2: one job, bro.

1127
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about I fucking Apple tags.

1128
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: Air tags yeah, oh yeah, how do they work? I

1129
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: don't know.

1130
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 3: Thirty to one hundred feet, so ten to thirty meters.

1131
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 3: That's for proximity and precision finding. So they're great around

1132
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 3: the house. If you've lost your keys, you've got your

1133
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 3: wallet somewhere, you can put a tag in there. But

1134
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: that's the direct Bluetooth range up to thirty meters.

1135
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 2: That's me much bigger than that. Come on, Apple, Well,

1136
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: that's sort of sick.

1137
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: I want something that if I left my keys in Elwood,

1138
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: I can find them.

1139
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 3: But this but to find my network range is what

1140
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 3: we were talking about the web. But that basically is

1141
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,439
Speaker 3: unlimited because it's tracking worldwide as long as the air

1142
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: tag is near another Apple device, so as long as

1143
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: it's another Apple device. That's why for me, it wouldn't

1144
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: work too well if I'm out hiking with Fritz out

1145
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 3: in the country, because there's no one else hiking at

1146
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 3: the same time, so effectively I wouldn't be in range

1147
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 3: of anybody.

1148
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 5: And that's what I kind of fund I'll kind of

1149
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 5: find this Fritzius. I actually have a bluetes. I've got

1150
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 5: a GPS tracker for Fritzi, so I can. He's got

1151
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 5: his own GPS tracker just in case.

1152
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: He's such a cute dog. He's so like old gentlemanly.

1153
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: He's like now, it's just it's just I don't know.

1154
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: He looks like he's wise. He's probably a moron, but

1155
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: he looks wise.

1156
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: He's probably wiser than I am. He's probably wiser than

1157
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: both of us.

1158
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: Patrick, tell people where they are future mayor of Balan

1159
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: and surroundings. Tell people vote one Patrick. I'll be his

1160
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 1: campaign manager. All the details out soon. You're welcome. How

1161
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: can people connect with you while you're still less famous?

1162
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 3: I'm here on the podcast, dude, I'm on the new

1163
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: project that's got to be worth something. Websites dot com

1164
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 3: websites now dot com today. You and if you have

1165
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: an idea, or you have a topic, or you don't

1166
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 3: like me in Craig, or you want to help something,

1167
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 3: then then go to the form page on the contact

1168
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 3: page so websites now dot com today you and we

1169
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 3: will fight about it on the next show.

1170
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,479
Speaker 2: Has that Oh yeah, we love well.

1171
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: I think the fact if we got on agreed about everything,

1172
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't believe us.

1173
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: I'd go that's bullshit. We like to debate a lot.

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01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 2: All right, it's been real. Thank you Patrick,