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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to another episode of Fox Crickets podcast

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Speaker 1: The follow On. My name is Courtney Walsh. I'm a

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Speaker 1: senior journalist based out of Melbourne but currently in Perth,

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking to Ishauer, who is from the UK.

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Speaker 1: Played eight Tests, took twenty nine wickets, another eighty three

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Speaker 1: Ody eyes and twenty two t twenties for England. But

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Speaker 1: you're based in Adelaide after being in Perth. It is

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Speaker 1: that sort of start touring ashes, isn't it, with people

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Speaker 1: spread around the country. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, yes, obviously still trying to process and

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Speaker 2: understand what happened in Perth, but yeah, very quickly after that,

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Speaker 2: it's a case of okay, what am I going to

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Speaker 2: do in my time? And a good friend of mine

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Speaker 2: is playing a show in Adelaide sound Fender, so I've

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Speaker 2: come to watch him.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a very very good way to get out.

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Speaker 1: I had some friends who saw him in Melbourne I

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Speaker 1: think a couple of weeks ago, and rave reviews and

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Speaker 1: judging by the reaction just walking around the streets of Perth,

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Speaker 1: there's been some pretty doleful Wish fans walking around. So

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Speaker 1: you've done well. Yeah, well, I mean Marshall broadcast, did

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Speaker 1: you get out and get to Adelaide.

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Speaker 3: There are a.

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Speaker 2: Few different options. I mean that there's so many things

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Speaker 2: to do in Australia. That's where you know the tourism

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Speaker 2: comes in. Right West Island. There were you know, there

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Speaker 2: was some chat about maybe flying to Bali.

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Speaker 3: Adelaide.

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Speaker 2: Obviously Adelaide Hills and you can go into Wine country.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it does offer the tourists an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: go and see the country.

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Speaker 1: It's quite the it's almost like a space of circus

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Speaker 1: or you're talking about Sat Fender. It's like a music

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Speaker 1: act packing up after if a Test finishes so rapidly

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Speaker 1: the Aussie cricketers were or at the next morning they

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Speaker 1: were you know, Travis Head was mobbed at Adelaide Airport.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you were mobb when you arrived

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Speaker 1: in Adelaide, but a lot of the Fox staff I

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Speaker 1: know that they were packing up and basically vacating Perth

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Speaker 1: English cricketers have had to stick around because they had

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Speaker 1: a Lilac Hill match that they're get out to the

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Speaker 1: golf course. Yes, so let's raise some my brows. But

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Speaker 1: it's just such a dramatic sort of production. It's almost

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Speaker 1: it is almost like a traveling circus.

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Speaker 3: It really is.

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Speaker 2: I'm not quite the cult hero that Travis Head is Courtney,

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Speaker 2: but so I just kind of slipped on in there

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Speaker 3: But yeah, for the England boys and.

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Speaker 2: Especially you know when they came into this series with

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Speaker 2: anticipation about how they would play at the start of

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Speaker 2: the tour. Knowing that you know, previous successful teams they've

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Speaker 2: they've won the first Test or they've come away with

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Speaker 2: a draw. Well, we know that's never going to happen

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Speaker 2: with this England team. But the fact that they were

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Speaker 2: in a tumble dryer at it's all just coming at

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Speaker 2: you and before you know it, it's just hit you.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know whether it's a good thing that

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Speaker 2: you often just end up steering on it. There was

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Speaker 2: by India and you know that the papers were getting

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Speaker 2: stuck into the Australian team, you know, not tough enough,

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Speaker 2: what have you. But then they came into that next

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Speaker 2: England have to do that. There's no other option. They

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Speaker 3: A way of.

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Speaker 2: Parking that almost I don't want to say forgetting it

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Speaker 2: altogether because there are so many lessons and learnings from

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Speaker 2: that Test match, but they do need to kind of

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Speaker 2: this next one, especially Australia who have an unbelievable pigball record.

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Speaker 2: They played so many of them, and that in itself

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Speaker 2: is a thing. Tactically, England can't just assume that they

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Speaker 2: will go into the Prisbone Test imagining that the the

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Speaker 2: don't think England did that enough in the last test.

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Speaker 2: You know, when the heavy roller wears off, we know

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Speaker 2: If they'd have just hung in there for that afternoon session,

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Speaker 2: A bit like Travis's head. So I think it's one

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Speaker 2: of those situations where they're just going to be clearer

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Speaker 1: We'll get onto the big burning questions I suppose leading

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Speaker 1: into Brisbane, but just a couple of quik ones. I

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Speaker 1: suppose since we last saw you were last summer in Australia.

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Speaker 1: I was remember being in Paris midway through the year

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Speaker 1: and commentating with a good friend of yours at Roland

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Speaker 1: Garros Gig seven. It turns out you're a lady of

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Speaker 1: many hats. You do a lot of things through the summer,

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Speaker 1: and even in terms of already there was a big

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Speaker 1: you're doing the same thing again in Rismon as well.

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Speaker 1: But what have you been up to? What do you do.

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Speaker 1: What were you doing at role and garrissing the middle

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Speaker 3: My preparation for Wimbledon, actually, Cordy, so.

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Speaker 1: You're a servaler.

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Speaker 3: I loved it.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was the first time I've been there.

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Speaker 2: You know, being in Paris is always fun anyway, but

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Speaker 2: But you know, with the cricket, I know that I

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Speaker 2: to be on top of everything because I've obviously done

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Speaker 2: good and obviously great to see you down there as well,

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Speaker 3: A bit of a surprise.

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Speaker 2: And look, it's always fun seeing people that you know

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Speaker 2: it's always, it's always you know, you talk about it

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Speaker 2: being a traveling circus with the cricket, but with the

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Speaker 1: One of the things I wanted to ask you about

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Speaker 1: giving your role as a broadcast run a commentator, there's

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Speaker 1: been a couple of viral images that have come out

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Speaker 1: of Perth of your competriots. One of your colleagues, Michael Vaughan,

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Speaker 1: in his reaction midway through Stuart broad there is a

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Speaker 1: meme that he's circulating around social media, even just Arrival

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Speaker 1: Network that think they just trying to stomach what was

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Speaker 1: that shows how normal and natural it is for everyone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I've been doing this a long time now, Courtney,

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Speaker 2: and I still forget that the camera's on me in

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Speaker 2: and when we're calling. Because I'm the kind of lead commentator,

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Speaker 2: my energy levels go up quite a lot, and when

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Speaker 2: you can't really appreciate why I've had to go to

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Speaker 2: that level because it's just come out of nowhere. You know,

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Speaker 3: So does sound too biased?

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Speaker 1: I can tell you the extends to the written press

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Speaker 1: And after Joe Root fell on the first day and

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Speaker 1: There's been lots of conjecture as to what England should

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Speaker 1: pink Ball Test. A couple of players were playing at

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Speaker 1: and Tongue. They've been released to go and play a

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Speaker 1: Cricket Australia or a prom Minister's eleven sorry in Canberra.

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Speaker 1: People have been asking why doesn't the rest of the

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Speaker 1: squad go? I think Ben Stokes was pretty blunt when

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Speaker 1: he said, no, that we believe in what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: Stewart Law, the former I suppose Australian batsman who I

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Speaker 1: the right thing. Because the Canberra pitch, it bounces pretty

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Speaker 1: many different views as to what they should do. How

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Speaker 1: do you assess it? Is it as much of a

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Speaker 1: whirlwind as what we saw in the first few days.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty tricky.

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Speaker 2: You have to think about the preparation they had coming

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Speaker 2: to get the ball moving both ways and I think

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Speaker 2: that just offers just something else to this Australian attack.

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Speaker 3: In the absence of Cummins and Hazelwood.

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Speaker 1: The toss it's a pink ball test. I mean here

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Speaker 1: in Adelaide, I was thinking the last two tests of

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Speaker 1: covered outside of Melbourne. Now I was in Sydney last year,

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Speaker 1: but the last week test outside of Melbourne Adelaide pink

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Speaker 1: ball Perth two days. My hind was whirling in Adelaide

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Speaker 1: that they can be really confusing beasts pink ball taste.

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Speaker 1: They can go rapidly, but things can change by the conditions.

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Speaker 1: It can be pleasid during the day and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden their ball has demons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. And the toss is so crucial it

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Speaker 2: becomes even more crucial in the pink ball test.

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Speaker 3: You know you win the toss.

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Speaker 2: You want to bat first because then you can dictate

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Speaker 2: terms in terms of how how long a you're batting

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Speaker 2: for now. If England we're batting first, you want them

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Speaker 2: to go into the next day because you know they

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Speaker 2: get the day conditions twice then and you have an

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Speaker 2: opportunity to dictate, like I said, and maybe declare just

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Speaker 2: before tea when it's starting to get a bit darker

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Speaker 2: the lights are coming on. Twilight hits a little bit

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Speaker 2: earlier I think in Brisbane, so you know you're really

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Speaker 2: thinking about the timings when you want to put the

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Speaker 2: opposition in. That's if they get there. But you know,

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Speaker 2: batting first means that you do have the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: try and dictate terms. If Australia were batting first, you

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Speaker 2: know England, I think we're back themselves.

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Speaker 3: Tory involve all Australia out before the second day.

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Speaker 2: But that's where Australia's experience comes into play. They have

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Speaker 2: players who can really make the most of the flatter

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Speaker 2: conditions but then understand how to play, you know, when

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Speaker 2: it is doing a little bit more so. Again similar

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Speaker 2: for the Bowl as they're going to have to adjust

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Speaker 2: based on based on different times of day.

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Speaker 1: Just finally, yeah, I did touch about talk about you

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Speaker 1: had a function over here in Perth with your charity.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about the charity

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Speaker 1: and also I think we've got another event coming up

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Speaker 1: in Brisbane and let us know if there's any others

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Speaker 1: coming up. What is the charity for and how can

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Speaker 1: people I suppose get involved.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the charity is called Take a Lead.

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Speaker 2: I founded it a few years ago now, we became

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Speaker 2: a charity in twenty twenty three and really the purpose

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Speaker 2: is to advance epity and diversity in and increased participation

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Speaker 2: for women and girls. Now that seems quite broad, but

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Speaker 2: actually it came on the back of me looking at

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Speaker 2: my own personal journey and recognizing that I'm one of

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Speaker 2: six players of an ethnically diverse background that have ever

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Speaker 2: played for the England women's team, and I was kind

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Speaker 2: of wondering.

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Speaker 3: Why that was.

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Speaker 2: And if it wasn't for my parents' support when I

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Speaker 2: was younger, I probably wouldn't have stayed on the pathway

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Speaker 2: their support. But also players that are on the pathway

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Speaker 2: that really kind of took me under their wing. So

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Speaker 2: what I did I kind of dropped down to community level.

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Speaker 2: I was looking at the interest for salva Asian girls,

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Speaker 2: but they weren't necessarily taking that step onto the pathway,

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Speaker 2: and so I wanted to create something that was going

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Speaker 2: to help support that journey. But also I recognized that

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Speaker 2: to solve that problem you need to bring everyone with you.

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Speaker 2: And the stat that came out from Women in Sport

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Speaker 2: the girls between the age of ten and fifteen drop

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Speaker 2: out a sport twenty percent more of a rate than boys.

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Speaker 2: And then I spoke to Morer Dodd, who's a former

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Speaker 2: Matilda's player. She came out with this really interesting quote

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Speaker 2: that I really resonated with, which was girls, sorry, boys

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Speaker 2: need to be competitive to feel like they belong. Girls

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Speaker 2: need to feel like they belong before they can be competitive. Now,

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Speaker 2: I was really really lucky in the sense that I

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Speaker 2: had the support from my mum and advice from her

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Speaker 2: at key moments on my journey where I probably wanted

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Speaker 2: to quit. But if you don't have that, then it's

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Speaker 2: quite easy to kind of leave the game and leave

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Speaker 2: the sport.

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Speaker 3: So really we're about trying to make sure.

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Speaker 2: Every environment is as good as it can be on

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Speaker 2: first entry to cricket, and it's about providing opportunities for

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Speaker 2: girls and women at every level because we know there's

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Speaker 2: underrepresentation at every level. So the biggest thing that we

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Speaker 2: do is we have a Champions program. We pair up

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Speaker 2: young players coming into the pathway from unprivileged minority backgrounds

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Speaker 2: with players that sort of tear wanted the two counties

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Speaker 2: that they're on the pathway already they're eighteen plus. We

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Speaker 2: train them up, we recruit them, we train them up,

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Speaker 2: they go and deliver workshops and after three sessions with

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Speaker 2: these players, they've built These young girls have built self esteem,

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Speaker 2: confidence and they identify more as cricketers and there's a

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Speaker 2: real team unity there in the team sessions. So it's

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Speaker 2: really about wanting to try and keep girls in cricket

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Speaker 2: after they have first access to it. So that's why

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Speaker 2: we partner with all the charity partners. They provide the

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Speaker 2: free to access cricket. We take them out of that

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Speaker 2: and we provide workshops for them. And so what we're

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Speaker 2: trying to do on this tour is to try and

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Speaker 2: engage interest, raise awareness and to increase the fundraising so

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Speaker 2: that that can support our programs for next year. But

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Speaker 2: I know that there are similar challenges here in Australia,

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Speaker 2: so that's why the raising awareness is really important. And

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Speaker 2: we've got an amazing donor, Rick Johnson, who has kind

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Speaker 2: of set this tour up.

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Speaker 3: He's a girl dad, he's.

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Speaker 2: Got two daughters and he just wants to make sure

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Speaker 2: that they have a better support system for them to

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Speaker 2: stay in cricket and whatever that looks like. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're trying to bring girl dads with us on the journey.

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Speaker 2: And he has said that whoever donates, he will donate too,

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Speaker 2: depending on who they are. So if it's you know,

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Speaker 2: a general member of the public, he'll donate a certain amount.

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Speaker 2: If it's a domestic cricketer two hundred and fifty pounds,

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Speaker 2: test cricket of five hundred pounds, and if he comes

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Speaker 2: across Kylie Minogue, then I think he's going to donate

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Speaker 2: five round into the charity. So if you've got any

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Speaker 2: if you've got any Kylie contacts, then that would be great.

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Speaker 2: But look, yeah, we did an event in Perth. We're

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Speaker 2: going to do one on the second of December at

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Speaker 2: Babylon in Brisbane. Alan Border and Matthew Hayden are going

557
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Speaker 2: to be there. We're going to do a panel chat

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Speaker 2: and a few others from the world of cricket. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: you can get your tickets if you go to Rick's

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00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: Ashes on Instagram. That's where you can find tickets and

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Speaker 2: support what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: And it's a fantastic cause and it's something having even

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Speaker 1: just seen with the indigenous crickets, you know, the second

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Speaker 1: Indigenous and talking to Hannah Darlington from from Sydney who

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Speaker 1: comes from an indigenous background, but she's talking about trying

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Speaker 1: to raise and add and broaden the diversity among cricket

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Speaker 1: in Australia and it's it's got to be something that's

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Speaker 1: only for the good. So good luck with that. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: get along to Babylon. It's a brilliant, brilliant venue as well,

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Speaker 1: and you know we might need some entertainment before that

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Speaker 1: test because let's hope it goes for three days or

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Speaker 1: four days Yeah, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Might the odds on it going five days thoughts, Courtney,

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Speaker 2: I'm not.

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Speaker 3: So sure that we're lucky.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I know you've got you've got some stuff

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Speaker 1: to do. Look, thanks so much for joining the Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports podcast the follow on. You're going to be the

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Speaker 1: lead commentator across the KO Sports Summer of Cricket for

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Speaker 1: the next four tests. This fabulous, intriguing Ashes series. But

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Speaker 1: more importantly, good luck tonight. Have a ball at Sam Fender.

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Speaker 1: I hope it is one last rollicking concert to finish

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Speaker 1: off the what's been a great tour.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's heading to Perth, so if people are listening

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Speaker 2: to this and they're still in Perth, he's on on

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Speaker 2: Friday night.

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Speaker 3: I think it is.

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Speaker 2: That's just down the road from where I am. That

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Speaker 2: that'll be their last gig of the tour, so that

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Speaker 2: that's going to be properly a Walkers.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Well, look, I have a ball tonight,

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Speaker 1: and again, thanks so much for your time. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Courtney,