WEBVTT - Sharri | 13 February 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:03.159 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:07.880 This is Sharry Good Evening. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:09.119 Welcome tonight. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:13.400 Did Albanizi cover up a hostile incident with the Chinese 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.799 fighter jet to avoid questions in Parliament. This act of 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:21.680 aggression happened on Tuesday, but it's only been made public 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.640 this evening. I'm going to speak about this cover up 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.320 with Matt Canavan and Basil Zemplus in a moment. 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:28.680 Also on the. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:32.199 Show, the Midwife who's been warning about hate speech in 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:36.159 the health system for months, but when she complained she 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:38.080 ended up under investigation. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.080 Sharon Stallier will be here shortly. 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.960 Tony Burke's agency selects an artist whose work includes a 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:50.240 terror leader to represent Australia at an overseas festival. 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:51.559 I'll bring you his. 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:56.560 Sheepish response to our questions in a moment, and Antoinette 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.560 Latouf slammed for turning up to court in a reported 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.160 undred one thousand dollars wardrobe, plus the cringe social media 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:05.680 videos from ministers. 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:07.720 Don't they have any work to do? 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.800 But first tonight Peter Dutton says there should be debate 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:18.399 about Australia's migration system, amid calls to strip those two nurses. 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:19.440 Of their citizenship. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.960 One of the nurses armed Russian Idea, was given Australian 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:29.560 citizenship in twenty twenty. Well Darton says, this exposes major 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:34.760 flaws with the migration system that someone so racist, who 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:39.280 seems to hate our country was granted precious citizenship. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.200 We've got big problems in this country when somebody like 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.520 that can become an Australian citizen. So there needs to 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.840 be a proper process in place to understand how this 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.680 individual became an Australian citizen and where the failing in 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.280 the system originated, and how we can make sure it 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:57.080 doesn't happen again. 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.280 And just as a reminder as to how vile the 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.560 comments are, because they've been downplayed in a lot of 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:05.400 quarters today. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:06.160 And I'll get to that. 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:10.280 Here's what Ahmed told Israeli Max Weifer. 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:15.040 So, if an Israeli is in Australia and that's what 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.560 something happened to him, and he comes. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.680 To your hospital, would you kill him? 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:24.040 Okay, you have no idea how many Israeli dog came 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:24.880 to this hospital. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:34.160 And Jehanna well Darton said, it's an outrage that citizenship 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.040 was given to that individual. 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.120 And he said, in light of this video, there. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.400 Should be a national discussion about the inadequacies of our 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:43.919 migration system. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.640 At some stage our country has to have a discussion. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.680 I think about the way in which the whole migration 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.560 system works, the people who are involved for years and 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.560 years at the cost of millions of dollars in the 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:58.079 court process, the way in which we have to pay 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.520 for offshore processing hundreds of millions of dollars a year, 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.120 And when we have somebody like this who gets through 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:10.000 the net obviously has breached his obligation about a loyalty 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.800 to our country when he became an Australian citizen, and 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.360 yet he has the ability to stay in our country. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.240 And Darton was speaking to Ben Fordham, who said that 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.919 he'd been flooded with listeners saying that those two should 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.079 be deported. But as much as we may sit here 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:30.600 tonight and say there's no place for racist individuals like 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.639 this in our country, that Australian values are of tolerance 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:39.800 and matship and inclusion, well the law is that unless 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:43.680 they're dual citizens, there's nothing that can be done to 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:49.120 strip their Australian citizenship. This debate rage today as evidence 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.320 emerged that one of those nurses led a prayer about 0:03:53.320 --> 0:04:05.880 Martyrdom at a Sydney mosque food. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.440 God on siod. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:13.040 On. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.159 Now we can't verify that prayer independently, but the Daily 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.760 Mail and this is reported widely today. The Daily Mail 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.960 reports that a clip posted to YouTube in June twenty 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:31.200 twenty shows an Idea's prayer to Martyrdom and they say 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:35.240 that was just months before he was granted Australian citizenship 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:41.080 and it seems his hatred towards Jews is not isolated. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.480 Sky News reporter Crystal Wu went out to Bankstown today 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.920 and she found that some men were very comfortable going 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.400 on camera saying that they agreed with those nurses that 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:54.960 Israeli should be killed. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:56.680 Them. 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.760 He said, yes, in any way possible. 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.000 You stand with the fact that someone has threatened to 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:04.839 kill and not treat a Jewish patient. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.000 And what about all the kids that Jews have killed. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:11.400 Israel's killing kids in Palestini and people here obviously all 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.800 around the world, look what they did and live on 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.520 them as well. 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.560 Look, this is the fear that the hatred of Jews 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:25.000 is now widespread, particularly in Sydney's West and senior Islamic 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:29.719 leaders also failed to properly call this out today the 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.000 Lebanese Muslim Association secretary Garmel Kira. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.200 He was on with Laura Jays this morning and. 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:41.960 He wouldn't condemn the nurses as individuals. He even compared 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.880 them to soccer star samker. 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.320 Why won't you condemn the individuals they have a special 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.799 place in society as nurses. 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.320 Because I believe in a due process process. What do 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:58.000 you mean by that? 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.080 Because I mean it's pretty black and white. 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:05.240 Let the police, due and the Department of Health do 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.119 their due diligence just the way you're alluding to, it 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.360 is condemning them already prior to the whole trial process. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.360 What are you potentially waiting for, Sam Kerr? 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.920 Do we condemn her statements? No, we condemned the statements 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.159 that she made. But do we condemn her No we don't. 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.760 We will reach out and we make the attempt to 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.400 rectify what is clearly a racist statement. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:36.600 How can he possibly compare these anti Semitic nurses with 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:43.080 Sam Kerr. It's absurd sam Kerr called someone white and stupid. 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.719 She didn't remotely threaten to kill anyone or claim that 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.760 she already had. And even worse, because this was quite 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:56.400 an extraordinary sixteen minute interview. In the interview, Gummel Kirr 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.000 claimed that politicians in the media were using this video 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:04.320 for political mileage, and he said that the media was 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.960 only focusing on anti Semitism. 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.840 The media scene and the politicians seemed to be concentrating 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.600 on one form of racism, which is abhorrent. 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:15.840 So can I just pick you up on that because 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:21.640 I haven't seen any Muslim childcare center's fire bomb, I 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:25.200 haven't seen any Israeli nurses. 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.040 And take you through the mosques and show you the 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.760 mosques that have been that have been targeted on the 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.440 life twelve months in the last twelve months. 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:38.560 It's extraordinary, isn't it. It's just not based in fact. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.760 And Laura Jay's also played for gamel the infamous clip 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.880 of the Hate Preacher on October the eighth, saying how 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:53.280 elated he was this the day after Hermas had slaughtered babies, children, 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:58.120 entire families, and asked for his reaction, Gabelle couldn't even 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.040 come out and strongly condemn the Hate Preacher. 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:16.400 This was October eight, just after the October seven attacks 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:17.080 in Sydney. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.480 Well, with all due respect, I wasn't caught on to 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.920 make a statement about that. That statement has now been 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.280 over three years old, and that's been that's already gone 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.200 through the whole process that we were talking about. This 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:29.680 is due process now. I would love if you are 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.360 going to use that video play it unedited. 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.760 That hate preacher saying how happy he is after oney 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.079 two hundred Jews were killed is one of the simplest 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.000 things in the world to condemn, and to be frank 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.800 that hate preacher's happiness is the most disgusting celebration of 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:50.360 slaughter that I've ever seen. 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.439 That hate preacher should. 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:56.120 Have been charged by police, yet of course he wasn't, 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:02.400 and now Islamic leaders can't even condemn those remarks. This 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:07.680 is a major problem in our Australian society and Gamal 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:11.640 unfortunately wasn't alone in his weak response to the nurses video. 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:13.319 Today, a pro. 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:17.600 Palestinian influencer conceded that the video showed, in her words, 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.880 a concerning and disturbing conversation, but then she went on 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.960 to say that it was entrapment with no evidence and 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.160 that she's seen far worse from the other side. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:29.720 Have a look. 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.319 My message is to young people in particular, you are 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:38.480 being watched and nothing and nowhere is safe. There is 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:42.160 no such thing as a safe space. Do not trust 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:46.319 anyone on social media. Don't engage in conversations like this 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:51.120 seeking to especially entrap you will be ultimately used against 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:58.559 you and potentially used to completely, you know, impact. 0:09:58.120 --> 0:09:58.800 On your future. 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.480 So we don't live in a situation where you can 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.400 freely have a conversation whether you mean things or don't 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:09.240 mean things. If you are Palestinian or pro Palestinian, if 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.560 you are an Arab, and especially if you are a Muslim, 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:16.320 God forbid you will you will be met with the 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.120 high end of the stick. So don't take the risk 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:20.040 and don't engage. 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.600 This is extreme gas lighting. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:28.040 While Jewish Australians are now worried about going to hospitals 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.360 in some parts of Sydney, worried whether they will be 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:35.600 safe spaces, this influencer is worried about pro Palestinians being 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:40.960 caught out whether they have a safe space for racism. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:45.240 Now we have to be very clear. The nurses are 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:49.520 not the victims here. They're not victims of a hostile media. 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.960 And again, if you need reminding, here's the aggressive death 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.400 threats that they made. 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.160 One then one day, your time will come and you 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:00.720 will die. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:09.079 The most common they send to me, listen to. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.280 Me and when you're when your. 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.160 Time comes, how are you doctors? I want you to 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:15.679 remember them. 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.720 I have okay, okay, you will have a question. 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.040 I have to say this reaction today from influencers and 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:30.360 Islamic leadership is part of the issue. We need Islamic 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.600 leaders to unequivocally send a message that anti Semitic conduct 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:35.679 is unacceptable. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:37.160 They need to. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:42.000 Strongly embrace all Australians and promote values that we all 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:43.520 hold dear of. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:44.960 Tolerance and peace. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.880 Then there was another organization that gave a weak response 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.640 today and that was the Pro Palestinian and I have 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.319 to say that because the name is misleading. Jewish Council 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.440 of Australia. Their spokeswoman, Sarah Schwartz, is often seen on 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.439 the ABC because she's their type of Jews. 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:03.480 She's critical of. 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.560 Israel and she was the one you'll recall behind the 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:11.120 offensive Dutton's jew slides the other week. And now look 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.880 at the statement that the Jewish Council made today about 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:18.439 this nurse's video. Now, they initially said yesterday that they 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:22.839 condemned the hatred in the strongest possible terms, but then 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.360 today they said we will await a full investigation of 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.800 this incident, including a review of the unedited footage, before 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:35.720 commenting further. I mean, really, is there any context in 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.920 which those comments from the nurses could be explained or condon't? 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:44.440 Of course there isn't, And yet police too still haven't 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.320 pressed charges, with Commissioner Karen Webb saying she was waiting 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:49.560 for critical evidence. 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.319 We really need to commit the influencer to paper and 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.840 if we are able to do that today, then we 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.000 can work through whether these people are. 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.880 If there are no charges pressed here, then there needs 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.400 to be a total overhaul of the police. The police 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.360 have let hate preachers off the hook. They've been weak 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:16.880 in the face of aggressive protesters. They've arrested Jews instead 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:20.839 of dealing with the threatening, angry mob. If there are 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.520 no charges here, this would have to be the final straw. 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.520 Surely Karen Webb would then have to resign. 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:28.800 Now. 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.160 Peter Darton, and he said this before, but he was 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.000 pretty clear in his view today that there has been 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.280 a lack of police enforcement on anti Semitism. 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.760 Well, again, I think it's an outrage and it just 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.520 doesn't have any place in our society. We shouldn't tolerate 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:50.240 hatred or people who advocate violence, and there are laws 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.520 which prohibit that from happening. It's a failure of the 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.760 system where the laws aren't enforced, and I think that 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.240 has been the case in New South Wales, in Victoria 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.920 and across the country. We've seen police be instructed just 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.920 to stand back at protests and allow these people to 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.840 preach similar words of hate, not just at mosques, but 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:20.280 also at the university campuses. And it's completely and utterly unacceptable. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:25.400 And meanwhile, a minister in the Albanese government has blamed 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.600 Sky News at Night. She cause us Sky after Dark 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:34.400 for criticism that the government hasn't done enough on anti Semitism. 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.400 The person you're about to see is Anaka Well's the 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.360 Spot and Aged Care minister. 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.360 We are seeing people in these extremist factions feel very 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.600 emboldened by what's going on and the fact that the 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.000 Albanesi government hasn't been swift enough in condemning these things. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:52.280 Lucy that Licien. 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.440 That is a gross mister presentation of the Prime Minister's 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.880 actions across a series of events designed to appeal to 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.440 Sky after Dark audience. Don't think that trying to stoke 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.680 this fight what helps anyone. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:04.480 Doing this fight. 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.920 Stoking this fight is exactly how people do feel emboldened. 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.760 Sky after Dark audience, she said, that's all of you. 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:19.000 This is obviously both tone death and insulting. It's a 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:23.200 major failure to understand not just the Jewish community, but 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.440 all Australians who are fed up with the lack of 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:30.320 action on this issue. Sky after Dark, by the way, 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:34.720 isn't a criticism. I am so proud that our nighttime 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:40.080 hosts take the issue of antisemitism more seriously than anyone. 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.840 Else, and so do our viewers. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.960 That's why we're having this summit next week. Anika Wells 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:51.280 was silly to mock us. The truth is Australians have 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:56.600 watched as senior Albanesi government ministers struggle to even utter 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:01.880 the word anti Semitism without mentioning is homophobia. The Prime 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:06.920 Minister played tennis while the Adash Synagogue smoldered, and he 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:12.760 has inexplicably refused to hold a judicial inquiry into universities. 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.000 It's all a reflection of how the Albanesi government, from 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:21.080 the Prime Minister down has never truly understood the depth 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:22.400 of the racism. 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:23.760 Crisis in Australia. 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.720 Albanezi is so wrapped up in his own bubble he's 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:33.560 failed repeatedly to meet the moment and adequately respond to 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:40.560 the racism now festering in our suburbs. Okay, I'm going 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.920 to come back to that a bit later with Sharon Stollier, 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.600 also with Claire Lehmann later in the show. But now 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.920 let's turn to some of the other major news of 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.200 the day with National Senator Matt Canavan and Perth Mayor 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:52.120 Basil Zemplers. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:53.280 Welcome to you both. 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.040 Look, this is quite an outrageous cover up. 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:01.560 So just late this afternoon, Defense Minister Richards revealed to 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.879 my colleague here and Gilbert that a Chinese fighter jet 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.760 had released flares within thirty meters of an Australian military 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.119 aircraft as it carried out a routine patrol over the 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:13.159 South China Sea. 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:18.640 Now, Matt, this took place at one o'clock. 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:22.119 On Tuesday, but they didn't make it public until after 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:26.879 question time today. This is the last sitting day before 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:30.320 the federal election, so Matt Canavan, this is obviously a 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.520 deliberate tactic to avoid answering questions in Parliament. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:35.720 Well, it looks that. 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:37.640 Why it doesn't, Shari, It's a bit hard to add 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.760 it up. Otherwise you would think something of this grave 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.080 nature would be announced by the Prime Minister while he 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.520 was here in Canberra. To me, it's just simply another 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.840 symptom of the weakness of this government. They seemed to 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.760 shy away from controversy rather than respond to it. Obviously, 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.320 an incident of this nature was extremely serious and concerning 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.520 for Australians. It would appear in the face of it 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:05.480 to be an outright active aggression from Chinese military forces. 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.080 But it needs a response from our leader and our 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:13.800 Prime Minister to show that we united in our response 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.240 and that we won't be intimidated. But instead, when things 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.919 like this seem to happen, the Prime Mister too often 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.560 runs and hides rather than confront the issue head on. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.760 And I think his leadership, his style of leadership, the 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.640 lack of strength in his leadership, will be a major 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:31.359 issue with that election. Even though we're not going to 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.800 have that parliamentary scrutiny you said, his response on issues 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.440 like this will be under the microscope at the next 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:39.199 federal election. 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.720 Absolutely, it's just further weakness. 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.000 I mean he's too weak in the face of China 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.080 basl and we know Albinizi has been closing up to 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:52.520 Chinese President Shijiping. This is just the latest hostile example 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.000 of China's ongoing pattern of aggressive behavior, and just like 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.239 last time, the PM didn't want questions on it. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.640 I think the Australian public deserve to have some answers 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:07.160 around this, and ideally those answers come with Parliament being 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.600 fully able to challenge the Prime Minister and the Defense 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.639 Minister to get those answers. And the first thing members 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.840 of the general public are entitled to ask is well, 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:20.159 was our aircraft in their airspace or not? I mean 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.920 we should know that that's a fundamental If we were 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.159 in their airspace, why were we in their airspace? And 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.680 was the reaction from the Chinese military over the top 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:34.919 or fair enough in the circumstances. So without answering any questions, 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:39.439 and by delaying the announcement until after Parliament has risen, 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:42.960 then it only raises further questions in the minds of 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:47.840 everyday Australians and they deserve to have the respect and 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:52.000 courtesy of some answers around what's taken place here because 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.200 at the end of it all. If it becomes hostile, 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.040 we know who pays the price. So let us know, 0:19:58.080 --> 0:19:59.040 Prime Minister, tell. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.360 Us what happened, and also the ADF. 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.479 They would want to know the thousands of people who 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:05.760 serve in the ADF that the Prime Minister has their back. 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:08.879 Andrew Hasty released quite a good statement on this and 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:13.480 he said Richard Miles must explain why he's conveniently released 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:15.960 this information at the end of a parliamentary sitting week 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:20.920 despite knowing about the incident for days, avoiding serious questions about. 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:22.320 National security matters. 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:24.560 So this is going to be a big issue the 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:25.400 cover up in. 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:26.159 The coming days. 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.240 Now, let's have a look at Donald Trump and the 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:33.320 negotiations that he's about to have with Vladimir Putin to 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:38.000 try and, as he says, solve or end the Russia's 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.480 war on Ukraine. Putin and Trump are set to meet 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.119 in Saudi Arabia to discuss ending the war. This is 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:48.040 after his ninety minute phone call. Trump is also spoken 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.160 with Ukraine President Voladimir Zelenski. 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:52.399 There's also going to. 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:56.880 Be Secretary of the State meetings in Munich later this week. Matt, 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.120 do you have confidence that Trump will be able to 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.680 sought this out in a way that isn't simply appeasing Russia. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:07.840 Well, look, I hope. 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:09.760 That's the outcome we've got. I don't know. I don't 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:13.439 trust anyone. I suppose in this game, Shari, we just 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:15.960 got to be judged on results. That should be the yardstick, 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:19.800 and obviously we don't have the results yet in from 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:22.560 these discussions. I think it's a positive thing that discussions 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.400 are occurring. I've called for that for years. I felt 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.800 that one of the most remarkable things about this conflict 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.800 is the complete absence of any conversations to try and 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:36.119 bring it to an end. Now, maybe maybe that that 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:40.119 possibility was not able to come to fruition in the 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:41.879 last few years, but at the very least we should 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.320 try for peace. I mean, hundreds of thousands of people 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:51.080 probably have died. It's terrible. It's a massively inhumane circumstance, 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:54.040 and the lack of any conversations, to me, was a 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.560 mist opportunity to try and avoid more people from dying. 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:59.439 So I fully support the new US president trying to 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:02.960 bring the conflict to an end, and look, he'll be 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:05.320 judged on the results he achieves, just like every other 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:06.720 world leader and politician. 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:09.280 Yeah, and let's see where he gets to and that. Look, 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:11.720 I want to show you this video now. Believe it 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:15.040 or not, these three women are among the most senior 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:34.320 ministers in the Albanezi government. Have a look, oh, Basil, 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:39.479 it's so embarrassing. I mean, how do these they just 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.520 don't seem serious when they behave like that, And aren't 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:46.679 they too busy to spend presumably at least half an 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:48.560 hour making some social media video. 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:54.199 Yeah, it's really an interesting part of modern politics and 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:55.800 certainly modern campaigning. 0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:56.600 I'll be honest. 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:58.120 It was very small on the screen and I hadn't 0:22:58.160 --> 0:22:59.879 seen it before, so I couldn't see the other detail, 0:22:59.880 --> 0:23:02.240 but I could see the sort of general carry on 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:05.560 that was taking place. So without commenting on the specifics. Look, 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:09.639 some people decide that we need to better engage with 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.320 the Australian public and this is a way of doing it. 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.919 But I think when there are so many serious issues 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:20.639 at play, by and large, the Australian population wants to 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:24.200 see their ministers, their senior members of Parliament, their Prime 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.840 minister and premiers around the state doing what their job is, 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.639 being serious, giving us answers, giving us a future direction. 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.320 And I'm not sure that was the right time or 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:35.119 the right place. 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.760 Yeah, I think it's just not a good look. And 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:40.080 I also don't know how they have time. They're meant 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.040