Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
Speaker 3: Welcome tonight.
Speaker 4: Did Albanizi cover up a hostile incident with the Chinese
Speaker 4: fighter jet to avoid questions in Parliament. This act of
Speaker 4: aggression happened on Tuesday, but it's only been made public
Speaker 4: this evening. I'm going to speak about this cover up
Speaker 4: with Matt Canavan and Basil Zemplus in a moment.
Speaker 3: Also on the.
Speaker 4: Show, the Midwife who's been warning about hate speech in
Speaker 4: the health system for months, but when she complained she
Speaker 4: ended up under investigation.
Speaker 3: Sharon Stallier will be here shortly.
Speaker 4: Tony Burke's agency selects an artist whose work includes a
Speaker 4: terror leader to represent Australia at an overseas festival.
Speaker 3: I'll bring you his.
Speaker 4: Sheepish response to our questions in a moment, and Antoinette
Speaker 4: Latouf slammed for turning up to court in a reported
Speaker 4: undred one thousand dollars wardrobe, plus the cringe social media
Speaker 4: videos from ministers.
Speaker 3: Don't they have any work to do?
Speaker 4: But first tonight Peter Dutton says there should be debate
Speaker 4: about Australia's migration system, amid calls to strip those two nurses.
Speaker 3: Of their citizenship.
Speaker 4: One of the nurses armed Russian Idea, was given Australian
Speaker 4: citizenship in twenty twenty. Well Darton says, this exposes major
Speaker 4: flaws with the migration system that someone so racist, who
Speaker 4: seems to hate our country was granted precious citizenship.
Speaker 5: We've got big problems in this country when somebody like
Speaker 5: that can become an Australian citizen. So there needs to
Speaker 5: be a proper process in place to understand how this
Speaker 5: individual became an Australian citizen and where the failing in
Speaker 5: the system originated, and how we can make sure it
Speaker 5: doesn't happen again.
Speaker 4: And just as a reminder as to how vile the
Speaker 4: comments are, because they've been downplayed in a lot of
Speaker 4: quarters today.
Speaker 2: And I'll get to that.
Speaker 4: Here's what Ahmed told Israeli Max Weifer.
Speaker 6: So, if an Israeli is in Australia and that's what
Speaker 6: something happened to him, and he comes.
Speaker 3: To your hospital, would you kill him?
Speaker 7: Okay, you have no idea how many Israeli dog came
Speaker 7: to this hospital.
Speaker 4: And Jehanna well Darton said, it's an outrage that citizenship
Speaker 4: was given to that individual.
Speaker 3: And he said, in light of this video, there.
Speaker 4: Should be a national discussion about the inadequacies of our
Speaker 4: migration system.
Speaker 5: At some stage our country has to have a discussion.
Speaker 5: I think about the way in which the whole migration
Speaker 5: system works, the people who are involved for years and
Speaker 5: years at the cost of millions of dollars in the
Speaker 5: court process, the way in which we have to pay
Speaker 5: for offshore processing hundreds of millions of dollars a year,
Speaker 5: And when we have somebody like this who gets through
Speaker 5: the net obviously has breached his obligation about a loyalty
Speaker 5: to our country when he became an Australian citizen, and
Speaker 5: yet he has the ability to stay in our country.
Speaker 4: And Darton was speaking to Ben Fordham, who said that
Speaker 4: he'd been flooded with listeners saying that those two should
Speaker 4: be deported. But as much as we may sit here
Speaker 4: tonight and say there's no place for racist individuals like
Speaker 4: this in our country, that Australian values are of tolerance
Speaker 4: and matship and inclusion, well the law is that unless
Speaker 4: they're dual citizens, there's nothing that can be done to
Speaker 4: strip their Australian citizenship. This debate rage today as evidence
Speaker 4: emerged that one of those nurses led a prayer about
Speaker 4: Martyrdom at a Sydney mosque food.
Speaker 2: God on siod.
Speaker 8: On.
Speaker 4: Now we can't verify that prayer independently, but the Daily
Speaker 4: Mail and this is reported widely today. The Daily Mail
Speaker 4: reports that a clip posted to YouTube in June twenty
Speaker 4: twenty shows an Idea's prayer to Martyrdom and they say
Speaker 4: that was just months before he was granted Australian citizenship
Speaker 4: and it seems his hatred towards Jews is not isolated.
Speaker 4: Sky News reporter Crystal Wu went out to Bankstown today
Speaker 4: and she found that some men were very comfortable going
Speaker 4: on camera saying that they agreed with those nurses that
Speaker 4: Israeli should be killed.
Speaker 9: Them.
Speaker 6: He said, yes, in any way possible.
Speaker 10: You stand with the fact that someone has threatened to
Speaker 10: kill and not treat a Jewish patient.
Speaker 6: And what about all the kids that Jews have killed.
Speaker 6: Israel's killing kids in Palestini and people here obviously all
Speaker 6: around the world, look what they did and live on
Speaker 6: them as well.
Speaker 4: Look, this is the fear that the hatred of Jews
Speaker 4: is now widespread, particularly in Sydney's West and senior Islamic
Speaker 4: leaders also failed to properly call this out today the
Speaker 4: Lebanese Muslim Association secretary Garmel Kira.
Speaker 2: He was on with Laura Jays this morning and.
Speaker 4: He wouldn't condemn the nurses as individuals. He even compared
Speaker 4: them to soccer star samker.
Speaker 11: Why won't you condemn the individuals they have a special
Speaker 11: place in society as nurses.
Speaker 2: Because I believe in a due process process. What do
Speaker 2: you mean by that?
Speaker 11: Because I mean it's pretty black and white.
Speaker 7: Let the police, due and the Department of Health do
Speaker 7: their due diligence just the way you're alluding to, it
Speaker 7: is condemning them already prior to the whole trial process.
Speaker 2: What are you potentially waiting for, Sam Kerr?
Speaker 7: Do we condemn her statements? No, we condemned the statements
Speaker 7: that she made. But do we condemn her No we don't.
Speaker 7: We will reach out and we make the attempt to
Speaker 7: rectify what is clearly a racist statement.
Speaker 4: How can he possibly compare these anti Semitic nurses with
Speaker 4: Sam Kerr. It's absurd sam Kerr called someone white and stupid.
Speaker 4: She didn't remotely threaten to kill anyone or claim that
Speaker 4: she already had. And even worse, because this was quite
Speaker 4: an extraordinary sixteen minute interview. In the interview, Gummel Kirr
Speaker 4: claimed that politicians in the media were using this video
Speaker 4: for political mileage, and he said that the media was
Speaker 4: only focusing on anti Semitism.
Speaker 7: The media scene and the politicians seemed to be concentrating
Speaker 7: on one form of racism, which is abhorrent.
Speaker 11: So can I just pick you up on that because
Speaker 11: I haven't seen any Muslim childcare center's fire bomb, I
Speaker 11: haven't seen any Israeli nurses.
Speaker 7: And take you through the mosques and show you the
Speaker 7: mosques that have been that have been targeted on the
Speaker 7: life twelve months in the last twelve months.
Speaker 2: It's extraordinary, isn't it. It's just not based in fact.
Speaker 4: And Laura Jay's also played for gamel the infamous clip
Speaker 4: of the Hate Preacher on October the eighth, saying how
Speaker 4: elated he was this the day after Hermas had slaughtered babies, children,
Speaker 4: entire families, and asked for his reaction, Gabelle couldn't even
Speaker 4: come out and strongly condemn the Hate Preacher.
Speaker 11: This was October eight, just after the October seven attacks
Speaker 11: in Sydney.
Speaker 7: Well, with all due respect, I wasn't caught on to
Speaker 7: make a statement about that. That statement has now been
Speaker 7: over three years old, and that's been that's already gone
Speaker 7: through the whole process that we were talking about. This
Speaker 7: is due process now. I would love if you are
Speaker 7: going to use that video play it unedited.
Speaker 4: That hate preacher saying how happy he is after oney
Speaker 4: two hundred Jews were killed is one of the simplest
Speaker 4: things in the world to condemn, and to be frank
Speaker 4: that hate preacher's happiness is the most disgusting celebration of
Speaker 4: slaughter that I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: That hate preacher should.
Speaker 4: Have been charged by police, yet of course he wasn't,
Speaker 4: and now Islamic leaders can't even condemn those remarks. This
Speaker 4: is a major problem in our Australian society and Gamal
Speaker 4: unfortunately wasn't alone in his weak response to the nurses video.
Speaker 3: Today, a pro.
Speaker 4: Palestinian influencer conceded that the video showed, in her words,
Speaker 4: a concerning and disturbing conversation, but then she went on
Speaker 4: to say that it was entrapment with no evidence and
Speaker 4: that she's seen far worse from the other side.
Speaker 2: Have a look.
Speaker 10: My message is to young people in particular, you are
Speaker 10: being watched and nothing and nowhere is safe. There is
Speaker 10: no such thing as a safe space. Do not trust
Speaker 10: anyone on social media. Don't engage in conversations like this
Speaker 10: seeking to especially entrap you will be ultimately used against
Speaker 10: you and potentially used to completely, you know, impact.
Speaker 2: On your future.
Speaker 10: So we don't live in a situation where you can
Speaker 10: freely have a conversation whether you mean things or don't
Speaker 10: mean things. If you are Palestinian or pro Palestinian, if
Speaker 10: you are an Arab, and especially if you are a Muslim,
Speaker 10: God forbid you will you will be met with the
Speaker 10: high end of the stick. So don't take the risk
Speaker 10: and don't engage.
Speaker 2: This is extreme gas lighting.
Speaker 4: While Jewish Australians are now worried about going to hospitals
Speaker 4: in some parts of Sydney, worried whether they will be
Speaker 4: safe spaces, this influencer is worried about pro Palestinians being
Speaker 4: caught out whether they have a safe space for racism.
Speaker 4: Now we have to be very clear. The nurses are
Speaker 4: not the victims here. They're not victims of a hostile media.
Speaker 4: And again, if you need reminding, here's the aggressive death
Speaker 4: threats that they made.
Speaker 9: One then one day, your time will come and you
Speaker 9: will die.
Speaker 2: The most common they send to me, listen to.
Speaker 6: Me and when you're when your.
Speaker 2: Time comes, how are you doctors? I want you to
Speaker 2: remember them.
Speaker 8: I have okay, okay, you will have a question.
Speaker 4: I have to say this reaction today from influencers and
Speaker 4: Islamic leadership is part of the issue. We need Islamic
Speaker 4: leaders to unequivocally send a message that anti Semitic conduct
Speaker 4: is unacceptable.
Speaker 3: They need to.
Speaker 4: Strongly embrace all Australians and promote values that we all
Speaker 4: hold dear of.
Speaker 3: Tolerance and peace.
Speaker 4: Then there was another organization that gave a weak response
Speaker 4: today and that was the Pro Palestinian and I have
Speaker 4: to say that because the name is misleading. Jewish Council
Speaker 4: of Australia. Their spokeswoman, Sarah Schwartz, is often seen on
Speaker 4: the ABC because she's their type of Jews.
Speaker 2: She's critical of.
Speaker 4: Israel and she was the one you'll recall behind the
Speaker 4: offensive Dutton's jew slides the other week. And now look
Speaker 4: at the statement that the Jewish Council made today about
Speaker 4: this nurse's video. Now, they initially said yesterday that they
Speaker 4: condemned the hatred in the strongest possible terms, but then
Speaker 4: today they said we will await a full investigation of
Speaker 4: this incident, including a review of the unedited footage, before
Speaker 4: commenting further. I mean, really, is there any context in
Speaker 4: which those comments from the nurses could be explained or condon't?
Speaker 4: Of course there isn't, And yet police too still haven't
Speaker 4: pressed charges, with Commissioner Karen Webb saying she was waiting
Speaker 4: for critical evidence.
Speaker 8: We really need to commit the influencer to paper and
Speaker 8: if we are able to do that today, then we
Speaker 8: can work through whether these people are.
Speaker 4: If there are no charges pressed here, then there needs
Speaker 4: to be a total overhaul of the police. The police
Speaker 4: have let hate preachers off the hook. They've been weak
Speaker 4: in the face of aggressive protesters. They've arrested Jews instead
Speaker 4: of dealing with the threatening, angry mob. If there are
Speaker 4: no charges here, this would have to be the final straw.
Speaker 4: Surely Karen Webb would then have to resign.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 4: Peter Darton, and he said this before, but he was
Speaker 4: pretty clear in his view today that there has been
Speaker 4: a lack of police enforcement on anti Semitism.
Speaker 5: Well, again, I think it's an outrage and it just
Speaker 5: doesn't have any place in our society. We shouldn't tolerate
Speaker 5: hatred or people who advocate violence, and there are laws
Speaker 5: which prohibit that from happening. It's a failure of the
Speaker 5: system where the laws aren't enforced, and I think that
Speaker 5: has been the case in New South Wales, in Victoria
Speaker 5: and across the country. We've seen police be instructed just
Speaker 5: to stand back at protests and allow these people to
Speaker 5: preach similar words of hate, not just at mosques, but
Speaker 5: also at the university campuses. And it's completely and utterly unacceptable.
Speaker 4: And meanwhile, a minister in the Albanese government has blamed
Speaker 4: Sky News at Night. She cause us Sky after Dark
Speaker 4: for criticism that the government hasn't done enough on anti Semitism.
Speaker 4: The person you're about to see is Anaka Well's the
Speaker 4: Spot and Aged Care minister.
Speaker 12: We are seeing people in these extremist factions feel very
Speaker 12: emboldened by what's going on and the fact that the
Speaker 12: Albanesi government hasn't been swift enough in condemning these things.
Speaker 3: Lucy that Licien.
Speaker 13: That is a gross mister presentation of the Prime Minister's
Speaker 13: actions across a series of events designed to appeal to
Speaker 13: Sky after Dark audience. Don't think that trying to stoke
Speaker 13: this fight what helps anyone.
Speaker 2: Doing this fight.
Speaker 13: Stoking this fight is exactly how people do feel emboldened.
Speaker 4: Sky after Dark audience, she said, that's all of you.
Speaker 4: This is obviously both tone death and insulting. It's a
Speaker 4: major failure to understand not just the Jewish community, but
Speaker 4: all Australians who are fed up with the lack of
Speaker 4: action on this issue. Sky after Dark, by the way,
Speaker 4: isn't a criticism. I am so proud that our nighttime
Speaker 4: hosts take the issue of antisemitism more seriously than anyone.
Speaker 2: Else, and so do our viewers.
Speaker 4: That's why we're having this summit next week. Anika Wells
Speaker 4: was silly to mock us. The truth is Australians have
Speaker 4: watched as senior Albanesi government ministers struggle to even utter
Speaker 4: the word anti Semitism without mentioning is homophobia. The Prime
Speaker 4: Minister played tennis while the Adash Synagogue smoldered, and he
Speaker 4: has inexplicably refused to hold a judicial inquiry into universities.
Speaker 4: It's all a reflection of how the Albanesi government, from
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister down has never truly understood the depth
Speaker 4: of the racism.
Speaker 3: Crisis in Australia.
Speaker 4: Albanezi is so wrapped up in his own bubble he's
Speaker 4: failed repeatedly to meet the moment and adequately respond to
Speaker 4: the racism now festering in our suburbs. Okay, I'm going
Speaker 4: to come back to that a bit later with Sharon Stollier,
Speaker 4: also with Claire Lehmann later in the show. But now
Speaker 4: let's turn to some of the other major news of
Speaker 4: the day with National Senator Matt Canavan and Perth Mayor
Speaker 4: Basil Zemplers.
Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 2: Look, this is quite an outrageous cover up.
Speaker 4: So just late this afternoon, Defense Minister Richards revealed to
Speaker 4: my colleague here and Gilbert that a Chinese fighter jet
Speaker 4: had released flares within thirty meters of an Australian military
Speaker 4: aircraft as it carried out a routine patrol over the
Speaker 4: South China Sea.
Speaker 2: Now, Matt, this took place at one o'clock.
Speaker 4: On Tuesday, but they didn't make it public until after
Speaker 4: question time today. This is the last sitting day before
Speaker 4: the federal election, so Matt Canavan, this is obviously a
Speaker 4: deliberate tactic to avoid answering questions in Parliament.
Speaker 14: Well, it looks that.
Speaker 15: Why it doesn't, Shari, It's a bit hard to add
Speaker 15: it up. Otherwise you would think something of this grave
Speaker 15: nature would be announced by the Prime Minister while he
Speaker 15: was here in Canberra. To me, it's just simply another
Speaker 15: symptom of the weakness of this government. They seemed to
Speaker 15: shy away from controversy rather than respond to it. Obviously,
Speaker 15: an incident of this nature was extremely serious and concerning
Speaker 15: for Australians. It would appear in the face of it
Speaker 15: to be an outright active aggression from Chinese military forces.
Speaker 15: But it needs a response from our leader and our
Speaker 15: Prime Minister to show that we united in our response
Speaker 15: and that we won't be intimidated. But instead, when things
Speaker 15: like this seem to happen, the Prime Mister too often
Speaker 15: runs and hides rather than confront the issue head on.
Speaker 15: And I think his leadership, his style of leadership, the
Speaker 15: lack of strength in his leadership, will be a major
Speaker 15: issue with that election. Even though we're not going to
Speaker 15: have that parliamentary scrutiny you said, his response on issues
Speaker 15: like this will be under the microscope at the next
Speaker 15: federal election.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's just further weakness.
Speaker 4: I mean he's too weak in the face of China
Speaker 4: basl and we know Albinizi has been closing up to
Speaker 4: Chinese President Shijiping. This is just the latest hostile example
Speaker 4: of China's ongoing pattern of aggressive behavior, and just like
Speaker 4: last time, the PM didn't want questions on it.
Speaker 16: I think the Australian public deserve to have some answers
Speaker 16: around this, and ideally those answers come with Parliament being
Speaker 16: fully able to challenge the Prime Minister and the Defense
Speaker 16: Minister to get those answers. And the first thing members
Speaker 16: of the general public are entitled to ask is well,
Speaker 16: was our aircraft in their airspace or not? I mean
Speaker 16: we should know that that's a fundamental If we were
Speaker 16: in their airspace, why were we in their airspace? And
Speaker 16: was the reaction from the Chinese military over the top
Speaker 16: or fair enough in the circumstances. So without answering any questions,
Speaker 16: and by delaying the announcement until after Parliament has risen,
Speaker 16: then it only raises further questions in the minds of
Speaker 16: everyday Australians and they deserve to have the respect and
Speaker 16: courtesy of some answers around what's taken place here because
Speaker 16: at the end of it all. If it becomes hostile,
Speaker 16: we know who pays the price. So let us know,
Speaker 16: Prime Minister, tell.
Speaker 2: Us what happened, and also the ADF.
Speaker 4: They would want to know the thousands of people who
Speaker 4: serve in the ADF that the Prime Minister has their back.
Speaker 4: Andrew Hasty released quite a good statement on this and
Speaker 4: he said Richard Miles must explain why he's conveniently released
Speaker 4: this information at the end of a parliamentary sitting week
Speaker 4: despite knowing about the incident for days, avoiding serious questions about.
Speaker 2: National security matters.
Speaker 4: So this is going to be a big issue the
Speaker 4: cover up in.
Speaker 2: The coming days.
Speaker 4: Now, let's have a look at Donald Trump and the
Speaker 4: negotiations that he's about to have with Vladimir Putin to
Speaker 4: try and, as he says, solve or end the Russia's
Speaker 4: war on Ukraine. Putin and Trump are set to meet
Speaker 4: in Saudi Arabia to discuss ending the war. This is
Speaker 4: after his ninety minute phone call. Trump is also spoken
Speaker 4: with Ukraine President Voladimir Zelenski.
Speaker 3: There's also going to.
Speaker 4: Be Secretary of the State meetings in Munich later this week. Matt,
Speaker 4: do you have confidence that Trump will be able to
Speaker 4: sought this out in a way that isn't simply appeasing Russia.
Speaker 3: Well, look, I hope.
Speaker 15: That's the outcome we've got. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 15: trust anyone. I suppose in this game, Shari, we just
Speaker 15: got to be judged on results. That should be the yardstick,
Speaker 15: and obviously we don't have the results yet in from
Speaker 15: these discussions. I think it's a positive thing that discussions
Speaker 15: are occurring. I've called for that for years. I felt
Speaker 15: that one of the most remarkable things about this conflict
Speaker 15: is the complete absence of any conversations to try and
Speaker 15: bring it to an end. Now, maybe maybe that that
Speaker 15: possibility was not able to come to fruition in the
Speaker 15: last few years, but at the very least we should
Speaker 15: try for peace. I mean, hundreds of thousands of people
Speaker 15: probably have died. It's terrible. It's a massively inhumane circumstance,
Speaker 15: and the lack of any conversations, to me, was a
Speaker 15: mist opportunity to try and avoid more people from dying.
Speaker 15: So I fully support the new US president trying to
Speaker 15: bring the conflict to an end, and look, he'll be
Speaker 15: judged on the results he achieves, just like every other
Speaker 15: world leader and politician.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and let's see where he gets to and that. Look,
Speaker 4: I want to show you this video now. Believe it
Speaker 4: or not, these three women are among the most senior
Speaker 4: ministers in the Albanezi government. Have a look, oh, Basil,
Speaker 4: it's so embarrassing. I mean, how do these they just
Speaker 4: don't seem serious when they behave like that, And aren't
Speaker 4: they too busy to spend presumably at least half an
Speaker 4: hour making some social media video.
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's really an interesting part of modern politics and
Speaker 16: certainly modern campaigning.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest.
Speaker 16: It was very small on the screen and I hadn't
Speaker 16: seen it before, so I couldn't see the other detail,
Speaker 16: but I could see the sort of general carry on
Speaker 16: that was taking place. So without commenting on the specifics. Look,
Speaker 16: some people decide that we need to better engage with
Speaker 16: the Australian public and this is a way of doing it.
Speaker 16: But I think when there are so many serious issues
Speaker 16: at play, by and large, the Australian population wants to
Speaker 16: see their ministers, their senior members of Parliament, their Prime
Speaker 16: minister and premiers around the state doing what their job is,
Speaker 16: being serious, giving us answers, giving us a future direction.
Speaker 16: And I'm not sure that was the right time or
Speaker 16: the right place.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's just not a good look. And
Speaker 4: I also don't know how they have time. They're meant
Speaker 4: to be federal government ministers.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Surely they have more work to do than making social
Speaker 4: media videos. Just very quickly before we go, Matt Canavan,
Speaker 4: the Coalition is calling on the government, specifically Chris Bowen,
Speaker 4: to rule out introducing carbon border tariffs.
Speaker 3: Now, this would.
Speaker 4: Be a tax on imports from countries who aren't doing
Speaker 4: enough on climate change.
Speaker 3: This is a story in the Australian.
Speaker 4: Matt, is this a scare campaign from your team or
Speaker 4: is this something that Chris Bowin is actually examining.
Speaker 15: No, well he's put out He's put out a media
Speaker 15: release on this about a year ago saying that this
Speaker 15: was something the next step the government would be considering. Obviously,
Speaker 15: if we put a carbon tax our own industry like
Speaker 15: this government has done, the problem is that our people,
Speaker 15: our businesses have higher costs and potentially a lot of
Speaker 15: business in other countries that don't apply carbon tax do not.
Speaker 15: And so the idea here is that, I mean, we
Speaker 15: need a tariff to level the playing field to correct
Speaker 15: for the tax that we've put into one tax, to
Speaker 15: correct for the tax that the government's put on already.
Speaker 15: Why don't we just get rid of all the taxes.
Speaker 15: That seems to me to make more sense. And here
Speaker 15: we've now got an inconsistency between the Energy minister and
Speaker 15: the Treasurer. The Treasurer this week said that he would
Speaker 15: not impose retaliatory tariffs on the United States and if
Speaker 15: the US does not provide US an exemption. Yet at
Speaker 15: the same time, Chris Bowen's there, he's back pocket saying
Speaker 15: he would impose tariffs and they would obviously go on
Speaker 15: the United States, given that a carbon tariff would go
Speaker 15: in the United States, given that Donald Trump is pulled
Speaker 15: out of the Paris Agreement.
Speaker 4: Just crazy, all right, I mean it's you just every
Speaker 4: idea that Chris Bowen has is more wacky than the last.
Speaker 3: So wacky that you know.
Speaker 4: Is all on social media like those other ministers. You
Speaker 4: can find him on kiktok, which I'm sure you're not on.
Speaker 3: Mapp being a critic of the CCP like I am.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not right, Matt Canavan Basi Zamplist.
Speaker 4: Great to see you both all right, let's return now
Speaker 4: to that vile anti Semitic video of the two nurses
Speaker 4: at Bankstown Hospital.
Speaker 3: There are now concerns. We're all concerned about just how.
Speaker 4: Widespread this sentiment is in the health system, and we
Speaker 4: know that there's nurses for Palestine Instagram groups and others
Speaker 4: like it. Well, Sydney midwife Sharon Stollier has been sounding
Speaker 4: the alarm for more than a year about anti semitism
Speaker 4: in hospitals and she's suffered personally and professionally for it,
Speaker 4: and pleased to say, Sharon joins me now in studio
Speaker 4: to share her story.
Speaker 3: Sharon, good to see you in person.
Speaker 2: Hi, Shari, thanks for having me now.
Speaker 4: You spoke about this in a video that's gone absolutely
Speaker 4: viral today.
Speaker 2: But take us to the beginning.
Speaker 4: So when did you realize there was an issue and
Speaker 4: write to AFRA to complain about it.
Speaker 8: I think the issue I noticed there was an issue
Speaker 8: when I started getting a lot of private messages in
Speaker 8: my Instagram from Jewish nurses, Jewish midwives, Jewish pregnant women
Speaker 8: and you're not Jewish, but I'm not Jewish. No, But
Speaker 8: at the time, in October twenty twenty three, I hadn't
Speaker 8: noticed any other anyone in the maternity care space actively
Speaker 8: or speaking out against anti Semitism in healthcare. I was
Speaker 8: specifically talking about maternity care because that is my space,
Speaker 8: but I noticed it quite early on.
Speaker 2: And you wrote to Apra to complain about it.
Speaker 8: I've written to Oprah a few times, but it's not
Speaker 8: just me. There's been many Jewish healthcare workers, doctors, nurses,
Speaker 8: midwives who've been working quite hard behind the scenes trying
Speaker 8: to get Opera to adopt the IRA definition of anti Semitism,
Speaker 8: trying to get that incorporated into the code of conduct.
Speaker 8: They've had several meetings with Opera Hatred ple c and
Speaker 8: they've been trying, but it really doesn't seem to have
Speaker 8: gotten anywhere.
Speaker 4: So you were also writing about the fact that there
Speaker 4: were nurses and midwives in their new southe was health
Speaker 4: uniforms chanting hateful slogans. Yes, yet you found yourself under investigation.
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 8: So because I was so outspoken about that, and because
Speaker 8: I made some posts saying actually, this breach is a
Speaker 8: code of conduct in my opinion, because I believe that
Speaker 8: Chant is a genocidal chant, Apra started receiving a lot
Speaker 8: of complaints about me which were forwarded onto the Hatred
Speaker 8: le C because they deal with New South Wales registered practitioners,
Speaker 8: and I received complaint after complaint after complaint. Initially they
Speaker 8: were all dismissed. However, I didn't know that two complainants,
Speaker 8: some of them were anonymous complainants as well, asked for
Speaker 8: a review of that decision, and then that went on
Speaker 8: to receive four more corrective comments on my registration without
Speaker 8: me even knowing, without me getting a chance to reply
Speaker 8: to any of these complaints.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was quite horrific.
Speaker 3: So you had the courage.
Speaker 4: You're not Jewish, you had the courage to stand up
Speaker 4: on behalf of the Jewish nurses and midwives who are
Speaker 4: your colleagues, who were dealing, who were hurting by the
Speaker 4: fact that there was this strong pro Palestinian, anti Israel, genocidal.
Speaker 2: Hateful chance.
Speaker 4: You had the courage to stand up to it, to
Speaker 4: write letters, to speak out about it on social media,
Speaker 4: and you ended up having this mark against your record.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just terrible.
Speaker 4: And you were also without mentioning any names, because this
Speaker 4: is how we first connected a long time ago. You
Speaker 4: were also doxed and harassed on social media by pro
Speaker 4: Palestinian activists.
Speaker 8: Yes, that's right, and that led to an even bigger
Speaker 8: campaign to complain about me to our proh H wills
Speaker 8: all over the place. It was quite a mess to
Speaker 8: deal with for me. But I think we've just seen
Speaker 8: the tip of the iceberg here because people have seen
Speaker 8: what's happened as a result of speaking out. So Jewish
Speaker 8: healthcare workers, Jewish pregnant women are of.
Speaker 2: Great to speak out.
Speaker 8: I just I have a lot of messages, private messages,
Speaker 8: and have collected them since October seventh, twenty three.
Speaker 4: So how widespread is this sentiment, this anti semitism in
Speaker 4: the New South Wales health system?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: The Premier today said it was just an aberration. Do
Speaker 2: you agree with that?
Speaker 8: No? I think this is this is just it goes
Speaker 8: far deeper than This is a cancer in our healthcare system.
Speaker 8: This is not just something that's popped up. This is
Speaker 8: something that has been allowed to fester and brew and
Speaker 8: come out unrestrained because there has been no leadership from
Speaker 8: upper management regulatory bodies in healthcare. And I definitely think
Speaker 8: if nothing's done now, it is only going to get worse.
Speaker 4: Well, I think we need to pass these concerns onto
Speaker 4: Ryan Park, the Health Minister, tell him what's happened.
Speaker 2: To you, because this is really an appalling case.
Speaker 4: Sharon Stolia, You've been so courageous over the past sixteen
Speaker 4: months and thank you very much for joining us.
Speaker 2: Thanks having a.
Speaker 3: Show, Welcome back well.
Speaker 4: The artists chosen to represent Australia at the prestigious Venice
Speaker 4: Bienali exhibition is a Muslim artist called Karleb Subsavi. But
Speaker 4: his works include a video installation of Hezbalat terrorist leader
Speaker 4: Hassan Nazraala, who as you know, was killed last year now.
Speaker 4: Also another work includes art promoting Sama bin Laden and
Speaker 4: a series of it's a video of the nine to
Speaker 4: eleven terror attacks of aircraft hitting the twin towers.
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a mash up of that video,
Speaker 2: but the title is thank you very Much.
Speaker 4: Yet he was selected to represent Australia at the sixty
Speaker 4: first international Art exhibition LARABIONALI. This is a prestigious art exhibition.
Speaker 4: That's a screenshot you can see there from his video
Speaker 4: installation called thank you very Much of the nine to
Speaker 4: eleven attacks. I mean, this is absolutely disgusting. It's such
Speaker 4: a prestigious role to represent Australia. How can he have
Speaker 4: been chosen. We put questions to Arts Minister Tony Burke.
Speaker 2: About this today.
Speaker 4: He was clearly embarrassed, but yet he still didn't say
Speaker 4: that karl Ed won't be going to Italy. This is
Speaker 4: what he told us and I quote, I was not
Speaker 4: involved in the decision. I was shocked to see some
Speaker 4: of the works which are online this afternoon. I understand
Speaker 4: the Creative Australia Board is meeting tomorrow, so perhaps they'll
Speaker 4: reverse the decision tomorrow. We wait and see, all right.
Speaker 4: The Australian's chief political correspondent, Jeff Chambers joins us. Now, Jeff,
Speaker 4: there have been problems with Creative Australia before, but this
Speaker 4: is another reflection on shocking judgment from Tony Burke and
Speaker 4: the Albanese government and their agencies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shari, simple vetting. It's not that hard, particularly in
Speaker 1: this hot environment around anti Semitism. You have to remember
Speaker 1: Tony Burke is also the Minister for High Affairs, which
Speaker 1: leads policy around social cohesion. He's been the Arts Minister
Speaker 1: since the twenty twenty two election. We see this in
Speaker 1: the arts and in the university higher education sector. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of wakism. It's dominated by people of the
Speaker 1: more extreme left compared to the mainstream. And what we've
Speaker 1: seen in the United States with Donald Trump's war on
Speaker 1: wakism and how he's gone into some of these arts
Speaker 1: and cultural organizations and taken over things like the Kennedy Center.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if Peter dunn't were to win
Speaker 1: the election. The work that he's doing with just Enter
Speaker 1: Price would be a real, real close look at some
Speaker 1: of these grants. I mean there's grants going out everywhere.
Speaker 1: What kind of vetting's being done, and who's sitting on
Speaker 1: the boards of these organizations. There has to be some
Speaker 1: accountability outside of Sorry, we didn't know about this. We'll
Speaker 1: check it out. We'll have another meeting to discuss it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we absolutely need the Elon Musk style and hopefully
Speaker 4: just Enterprice will do it, as you say, to really
Speaker 4: just go through a lot of this bureaucracy. Now, Jeff,
Speaker 4: you you wrote an excellent article today, but you are
Speaker 4: saying that even if there's a rate cut at the
Speaker 4: February eighteen RBA board meeting, this might not deliver the
Speaker 4: Prime Minister the boost that he's been hoping for. Do
Speaker 4: you think the perception about Albanize he has cemented really
Speaker 4: with a large part of Australians.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I did some analysis recently, Shari, looking back
Speaker 1: at all rate cuts and rate hikes twelve months out
Speaker 1: from an election or in an election campaign, and this
Speaker 1: goes back to the nineteen ninety election, and what I
Speaker 1: found is that generally even interest rate hikes, all cuts
Speaker 1: in an election campaign has had very minimal impact on
Speaker 1: the final result. Remember at the twenty two election, Scott
Speaker 1: Morrison and Josh Freidenberg copped that rate hike in the campaign,
Speaker 1: but it was according to the polls, it was looking
Speaker 1: like the Morrison government wouldn't survive that election. So I
Speaker 1: think what the other issue here is that people are
Speaker 1: just under so much stress and pressure that one rate
Speaker 1: cut from a twelve year high four point three five percent,
Speaker 1: even if it's February, if it's April, that's getting really
Speaker 1: far too late. Once it actually flows through, the impacts
Speaker 1: for Australians really won't be felt for some months. So
Speaker 1: I know that the Labor MPs and that the government
Speaker 1: have all got their fingers crossed, their toes crossed, for
Speaker 1: a rate cut, and I'm sure households and businesses also
Speaker 1: are hoping for some relief, but in terms of the
Speaker 1: top tier issues, that interest rate cut is likely going
Speaker 1: to be minimal.
Speaker 4: I just want to ask you about the election timing.
Speaker 4: You're in Canberra, of course, and it's the last day
Speaker 4: of the parliamentary sitting fortnite. I understand the Prime Minister
Speaker 4: did the rounds in the press gallery the safternoon. There
Speaker 4: was a lot of frenzied speculation in the building that
Speaker 4: he could call the election this weekend, but of course
Speaker 4: we all think it's more likely that he'll call it
Speaker 4: after the WA state election, so after March the eighth,
Speaker 4: and then he'd be heading to the polls April twelve.
Speaker 1: What's your sense, Look, I think the election will be
Speaker 1: in that early April zone. Obviously it should. It would
Speaker 1: have to be in early April, because we've got Easter
Speaker 1: and we've got Enzac Day. I think passovers in there
Speaker 1: as well. So I think a lot of it hinges
Speaker 1: on the rate cut decision next week and then polling,
Speaker 1: so they'll be looking at various polls and data that's
Speaker 1: going to be coming out. It did have a real
Speaker 1: feel today that it was the last day of school.
Speaker 1: I know that some Labor MPs have got boxes to
Speaker 1: pack up, and Graham Perrot and Brian Mitchell, who were
Speaker 1: departing Labor mpce had little shout outs in question time today.
Speaker 1: So I think from the government's perspective, from the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister's perspective, he's going to end up having a minority government,
Speaker 1: but he's desperate to win and really I think timing
Speaker 1: could play a really crucial role in that result.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I look, I just maybe I'm just surrounded by
Speaker 4: people who really dislike the Prime minister, but I'm just
Speaker 4: finding it harder to see that he'll be voted back in.
Speaker 4: I understand the argument that Peter Dutton has too much
Speaker 4: ground to make up, not to mention winning back seats
Speaker 4: from the deals, but I just don't see who votes
Speaker 4: for Albanezi. Given Labour's primary at the last election was
Speaker 4: thirty two percent, it was in a historic load.
Speaker 2: Then he's only lost the pot since then. What do
Speaker 2: you think?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you look at the historic nature of
Speaker 1: things and I both leaders have nineteen thirty one, it
Speaker 1: was the height of the Great Depression. That was the
Speaker 1: last time that a first term government was turfed and
Speaker 1: they lost in a land slide, and that was a
Speaker 1: labor government, the skull and government. I think that people
Speaker 1: are generally looking at the history and looking at the
Speaker 1: mountain that Peter Dutton has to climb. I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be a very interesting result. Obviously, there might
Speaker 1: be some movement away from the major parties and that's
Speaker 1: where the Independence and other minor parties will play a role.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that either of them will get
Speaker 1: there in a majority sense. But there's going to be
Speaker 1: massive swings against the government and Peter Dutton is going
Speaker 1: to have to run a really great campaign, get the
Speaker 1: coalition messaging out and crucially execute in those strategic seats
Speaker 1: where they have to win and hold those seats that
Speaker 1: there are some coalition seats that are vulnerable, so he
Speaker 1: needs to hold what he's got and then win as
Speaker 1: many as he can.
Speaker 2: All right, Jeff Chambers, great to have you on, Thank
Speaker 2: you so much.
Speaker 4: Now still to come in when now the twops reported
Speaker 4: ten thousand dollars court wardrobe plus Peter Dutton calls for
Speaker 4: a debate on stripping citizenship from those who don't share
Speaker 4: our values.
Speaker 3: Claire Lehman would.
Speaker 2: Join me after this quick break.
Speaker 4: Welcome back with The Australian is tonight reporting that health
Speaker 4: authorities are troiling through thousands of patient records to make
Speaker 4: sure that those two nurses haven't inflicted.
Speaker 2: Any harm on past patients.
Speaker 4: It's extraordinary that this needs to be done. To discuss this,
Speaker 4: let's bring in now Lehmann, commentator or columnist for The
Speaker 4: Australian and founder of Quillette.
Speaker 2: Great to see you.
Speaker 17: Thanks for having me, Sharry.
Speaker 4: Now you wrote about this issue today. You know, how
Speaker 4: is it that we're in a situation where authorities are
Speaker 4: having to check the history of patients to make sure
Speaker 4: nurses haven't harmed or killed anyone in Australia.
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's outrageous, Sharry.
Speaker 9: And what I said in my piece is that this
Speaker 9: actually represents a fundamental sh This is like a tear in.
Speaker 17: Our social fabric.
Speaker 9: We're a high trust nation, you know, when we go
Speaker 9: to the hospital, we never have to think about the
Speaker 9: political beliefs, the ethnicity, the religion of the people who.
Speaker 17: Are caring for us.
Speaker 9: And this is the first time that I'm aware of
Speaker 9: that this has happened where healthcare workers have come out
Speaker 9: and said that they will not treat people according to
Speaker 9: their nationality and they'll actually harm people.
Speaker 17: And murder people because of their nationality.
Speaker 9: And this I think is going to damage the social
Speaker 9: fabric of Australia. You can already see it in the
Speaker 9: faces of the Health Secretary who was close to tears.
Speaker 17: You can see it in.
Speaker 9: The anger of the new South Wales Health Minister.
Speaker 17: And to his credit, he's come out and with a
Speaker 17: forceful response.
Speaker 9: But I think we really had a lack of leadership
Speaker 9: at the federal level, in particular, in particularly the Prime Minister.
Speaker 9: And I think part of the problem is that they
Speaker 9: cannot name this form of antisemitism. It's not Neo Nazi antisemitists,
Speaker 9: it's Islamists antisemitism.
Speaker 2: They can't call it out.
Speaker 9: They can't name it because they rely on votes in
Speaker 9: certain marginal seats in Western Sydney and they're afraid of
Speaker 9: alienating or rocking the boat with these marginal seats.
Speaker 17: And that's a problem, and that.
Speaker 9: Failure of leadership has allowed this problem to grow beyond
Speaker 9: what it.
Speaker 3: Should have.
Speaker 4: Because the perpetrators of it feel like it's tolerated.
Speaker 2: No one is telling them to stop.
Speaker 4: Everyone's telling the neo Nazis to stop saying, yeah, that
Speaker 4: Islamic extremism is a problem, exactly.
Speaker 9: And these two individuals, they weren't wearing masks. They were
Speaker 9: happy to blatantly say they would kill people according to
Speaker 9: their nationality to a complete stranger on the internet, Now,
Speaker 9: what kind of environment do you have to live in
Speaker 9: we're calling for people's murder or expressing that you individually
Speaker 9: would just kill someone or murder someone. What kind of
Speaker 9: environment are these people living in where that's okay and
Speaker 9: that's tolerated.
Speaker 17: I mean, I don't know. I don't have any friends
Speaker 17: who would say that ever.
Speaker 2: And if they did, they wouldn't be your friends exactly.
Speaker 9: But it's not normal, except it's festering in some parts
Speaker 9: of our community exactly.
Speaker 4: And Sky News reporter Crystal Wu went to Bankstown today
Speaker 4: and it didn't take long for her to find others
Speaker 4: who supported those nurses. Likewise, they were happy to be
Speaker 4: filmed to go on camera to say that what those
Speaker 4: nurses said was fine because all Israelis are killing people.
Speaker 2: It's earth shattering that this is how we're living.
Speaker 4: Premier Chrismins did come out today and he tried to
Speaker 4: reassure the whole community, that everyone will be looked after.
Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say. We don't have it.
Speaker 4: That's all right, those comments from Chrismans, but again the
Speaker 4: fact that he has to come out because we do
Speaker 4: have it.
Speaker 3: Let's have a look at those remarks.
Speaker 14: We need to send a clear and unambiguous message that
Speaker 14: if you go to an emergency department, if you're on
Speaker 14: a ward anywhere in New South Wales, you'll be treated
Speaker 14: by people who have a highly trained, who are highly skilled,
Speaker 14: but care about you. And I can understand right now
Speaker 14: members of the Jewish community, and even those that are
Speaker 14: members of the Jewish community, would be uphalled at.
Speaker 5: This latest revelation.
Speaker 14: We just can't stand for it.
Speaker 4: And the reality is, Claire, there will be people who
Speaker 4: are Jewish who will feel nervous going under general anesthetic.
Speaker 9: Now, absolutely, but you know it's not just I know
Speaker 9: this affects the Jewish community more than anyone else, but
Speaker 9: it's not just the Jewish community. And this ideology, this
Speaker 9: violent ideology of Islamism, doesn't stop at the hatred of Jews.
Speaker 9: It expands beyond that. We know that because it's the
Speaker 9: ideology of Hummus, it's the ideolology of al Kayata is
Speaker 9: the ideology of Hesbela and their.
Speaker 2: Tamber eleven of the Barley bombings exactly.
Speaker 9: And to be honest, other Muslims are also targeted Muslims
Speaker 9: that aren't hardline enough. So it's a political ideology, it's
Speaker 9: not a religion. And so we need politicians who can
Speaker 9: take a stand and separate the two and say we
Speaker 9: do not want this political ideology in our country.
Speaker 17: It needs to be stamped out.
Speaker 9: Leaders particular leaders need to take a firmer position and
Speaker 9: basically have zero tolerance for it.
Speaker 4: And yet we saw tonight that Tony Burke's agency Creative
Speaker 4: Australia has chosen an artist to represent Australia overseas. One
Speaker 4: of his works is of Nasralla, the former terrorist leader,
Speaker 4: the HESLA leader celebrating September eleven attacks.
Speaker 2: I mean the right is right throughout our bureaucracy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and this is just help.
Speaker 9: And this is one of the things that October seventh
Speaker 9: have as sort of exposed in our society is this
Speaker 9: weird relationship between the hard left and the Islamists. You
Speaker 9: would think that they wouldn't have anything to do with
Speaker 9: each other.
Speaker 2: But they use are so different.
Speaker 17: They dove tail when it comes to hatred of Israel.
Speaker 9: And that's the scary thing when you get this violent
Speaker 9: ideology being excused or even promoted by people who should
Speaker 9: know better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just very quickly before you go, Antoinette. Sky News
Speaker 4: report that Antoinette Latouffe has been turning up for her
Speaker 4: ABC unfair dismissal case.
Speaker 2: In outfits that have been making the headlines.
Speaker 4: Let's have a look at the article Her wardrobe is
Speaker 4: worth Claire. Yeah, and the Sky News article details all
Speaker 4: of the outfits and the hammbags there. You know, this
Speaker 4: has been a case again where ABC chose diversity. It's
Speaker 4: come out in court that she was a diversity higher
Speaker 4: that's been the evidence in court. And she was an activist,
Speaker 4: so not an impartial journalist which is in their charter.
Speaker 2: This is what's brought the problems on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I mean the ABC have really harmed themselves in this
Speaker 9: particular case. And it was clear that she was using
Speaker 9: her job at the ABC as a vehicle for self promotion,
Speaker 9: just as she's using the court case as a vehicle
Speaker 9: for self promotion. She knows she's going to be on camera,
Speaker 9: so she's investing in these glamorous outfits. And you know,
Speaker 9: I wouldn't hold that against anyone, except she's crowdfunding for
Speaker 9: her legal fees.
Speaker 17: So I mean, she's got.
Speaker 9: Every right to, you know, take matters into her own
Speaker 9: hands and go through the court system if she wants.
Speaker 17: But she's raising money from.
Speaker 9: People who have bills to pay and you know, who
Speaker 9: have other responsibilities, and I just think that's a little
Speaker 9: bit it's a little bit cynical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, thank you so much. Great to
Speaker 2: have you on the show. As always, Claire really appreciate.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Sherry, And don't you all love Claire's columns
Speaker 4: in the AUSTRAI all right, still to come. I bring
Speaker 4: you some of your ideas on how to fix antisemitism
Speaker 4: ahead of our summit that's next. Well ahead of our
Speaker 4: antisemitism summit. I asked you for your ideas to fix
Speaker 4: this crisis because well, our political leaders are not doing
Speaker 4: a good job.
Speaker 3: We've had nearly six hundred emails.
Speaker 4: So far, all with brilliant suggestions on how to address
Speaker 4: this crisis. Many of you say this begins with education
Speaker 4: in schools. This email reflects many It is crucial that
Speaker 4: the Holocaust is included in the educational curriculum from primary
Speaker 4: through to secondary school.
Speaker 3: Another idea that's come through.
Speaker 4: Is a way to report this or incidents for immediate investigation,
Speaker 4: because so many incidents are happening and no one is
Speaker 4: held to account. Another idea is that there should be
Speaker 4: a national day to call out antisemitism. Gina wants the
Speaker 4: Opera House to be lit up every October seven in
Speaker 4: celebration of the Jewish community.
Speaker 3: Hundreds of emails, Keep them coming.
Speaker 4: Summit at sky news dot com dot AU, Summit at
Speaker 4: sky news dot com dot A U. I'll see you
Speaker 4: Monday at eight o'clock. Here's James Morrow.