WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 3 March 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:06.280 The sky new setter. This is Whole Burray Live. Thank 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:07.680 you so much for watching, and we've got so much 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:12.399 to get to. The concern tonight remains cyclone Alfred. Let's 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.000 get to that and what is happening in Queensland. It 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.319 looks like it is going to hit somewhere around the 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:19.759 Sunny coast, maybe a little further up, maybe a little 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:21.960 further down. Then it's going to roll its way into 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.320 by probably the weekend at northern New South Wales. Here's 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.520 the latest from our mates at Sky News Weather. Of 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:29.200 course we're across at twenty four to seven. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.080 We're the tropical cycle in Alfred, the system strengthening to 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.560 a category two, adopting that westerly track and then approaching 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.040 the coast. So we can see those red wind arrows 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.000 indicating the gales and heavy rain from the system from 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:43.280 Wednesday into Thursday. 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:45.879 Now not just the worry for people who are on 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.879 the coast, but obviously there are some island communities that 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.920 will be affected in the next few days. The Queensland Premier, 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.160 David crucif Foley says now is the time to move. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.840 There will come a time where you will have to 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.720 have made that decision to leave or stay, and once 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.720 that window closes, we will then support people in whatever 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.280 decision they make, but it is important that they make 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.199 that decision fairly soon now. 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.880 A warning as part of the preparation is for people 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.240 to stock up on things like batteries for torches and 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.760 water to get through a couple of days if for 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.039 whatever reason the systems cut off and the normal mains 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.240 aren't going to work. Now that has resulted in it 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.360 making it very difficult in parts of southeast Queensland to 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.880 get a bottle of water. Servos selling out, supermarkets being 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.120 stripped bear like the worst of the pandemic. Herei's some 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.920 pictures from Woolies at camp Hill. The image is very 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:44.040 similar to a coal's a little further down as well, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.960 where there is at Upper Kumra. I should say there 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:52.120 is very little to no water available. Obviously we'll check 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:53.760 in with the supermarkets to work out how they're going 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.600 to double down, how they're going to restock. But yeah, 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.600 that seems to be one of the early worries that 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.520 are starting to get in there. Queen's nay knows what 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.920 it's like to live in and around cyclones. Sadly, it 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:08.440 is far too frequent. There is plenty of historical evidence 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.280 as well about them making their way this far down 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.560 into the state and tipping over into the northern part 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.880 of New South Wales. The preparations roll on as we speak. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.880 Across the southeast, preparations are underway. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.200 Residents are sandbagging and securing loose items. 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:27.200 Now I don't know why I have to say it, 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.519 but I will anyway. Yes, there is some spectacular surf 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.040 that is turning up, up and down the coast. It 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:38.840 provides incredible photos, but please don't go into it. I 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.280 don't understand why people want to do it. I don't 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.400 understand why they want to put themselves in danger. And 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.160 then of course the emergency services. This will only get 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.880 bigger and worse in the next few days. And what 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.959 about this bloke who was rowing his way from the 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:58.560 United States to Queensland. He was doing about seventy miles 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.200 a day of rowing, and of course he got on 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.360 the other side of this thing, so he needed to 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:08.320 be rescued. Today, this bloke got into trouble at about 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.280 seven hundred and forty kilometers east of Mackay. He tried 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:15.720 to row twelve thousand kilometers across the Pacific Ocean. I'm 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.480 sure he's doing it for some world record or raising money, 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:23.040 but come on, a sixteen thousand ton Australian Navy vessel 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.240 was sent to go and get him. The bloke set 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.959 off on his journey in October and was days away 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:31.840 from getting his final destination. So I'm glad that he's safe. 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.400 But obviously the idea that you can row row row 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.440 your boat from the United States to Australia not exactly 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:40.720 in my view, the smartest way to spend your time. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.000 But people do what they do, and the people who 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:44.800 have to go and rescue them, thank goodness for what 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.960 they do. To everyone who is in the zone, please 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.480 pay attention. I know that you think that you know 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:52.840 this one's We've been through this one hundred times. Just 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.160 pay attention to the information being given to you. I 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:59.800 would prefer people to be inconvenienced as we overreact, rather 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:03.680 than and unprepared as things start to batten down. I've 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:05.800 been talking this about this for a few days. That's 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.000 when the theory was a little further up. Now that 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.720 it's going to get closer to population centers, it gets 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.080 even more serious. We'll be across it all the way through. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.080 Make sure your homepage for the information is sky news 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.040 dot com. Do you make sure you're checking with us 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:20.760 each and every night, But obviously Skye News, whether that 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:25.120 twenty four to seven on what is about to unfold. Now, 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.080 it's not just my job to sit here and tell 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.600 you about the politics of the day. But something that 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:36.240 I clearly and very across is how the media covers politics. Now, 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.760 this is in the modern terms referred to as media literacy. 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:42.760 For you to understand what truly is going on behind 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:44.479 the scenes, and it'll be pretty easy for people to 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.640 turn around and say, oh, this media is bias and 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.680 that media is biased. But tonight I want to show 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.240 you how they spin the ball in one direction or 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:57.440 the other. Now, sixty Minutes in the past couple of 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.040 weeks has done profiles on both the Prime Minister and 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.880 the alternative Prime Minister. But when you actually start to 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.200 have a look at some of the techniques that we used, 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.200 it's pretty obvious which one, either the reporter, the producer, 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:14.000 the program or even Channel nine thinks should be the 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.719 prime minister after this upcoming election. Now, as always, the 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.159 sixty minute interview is one where you get to show 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:23.640 your quote unquote softer side. 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:29.080 It is absolutely delightful to meet someone who you want 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.760 to spend the rest of your life with. We're best 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:38.120 friends as well as in a relationship, and that's just tremendous. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.520 Working at the local butcher for me is like a 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:41.360 pretty shy kid. 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:46.040 Actually, it sort of brought out the ability to speak 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.040 to people across the counter, and you know, it was 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:49.640 a sort of a fun environment to work in. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:51.919 And that is about as long as you're going to 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:53.840 hear from the leaders, because I want to focus on 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:57.640 how the media spins the ball, about how they use 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.359 all of the tricks in the trade to make someone 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.719 look better and brighter and someone look well, not as 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:10.040 better and brighter. Perfect example, this is about how they 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.440 started their profile with Anthony Albanezi. 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.200 Tonight it's the turn of Alba and is soon to 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:20.720 be bride and possible secret weapon Jody Hayden. 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.960 And this is how they start with Dunton. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:32.599 Unfriendly, unlikable, unelectable for those who oppose opposition leader Peter Dutton. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.640 He's easy to characterize. 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.839 Also without boring you about the technology of television, but 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.440 things like lighting is really important. The more you light 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.839 you throw on a subject, generally speaking, the nicer and 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.400 better that they are going to look. Have a look 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.000 at the lighting setup that was for the interview that 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:57.200 was done with the Prime Minister, I believe in Tasmania. 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.800 All of it pretty light, pretty bright. Well basically it 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.760 was a dolphin torch when they were talking to Peter Dutton. 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:10.680 Tight shots, no example of a nice, big modern room, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.840 no extra showbiz around it, just a tight and as 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:18.560 I said, fairly poorly lit image. Now this matters because 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.560 hundreds of thousands of people, the people who in compulsory 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.280 Voda Land will only just start making their decision in 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.480 the next little while coming off the back of the 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:32.400 country's biggest TV show in maths. How these things are 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.080 profiled matters. Now you know that I have an opinion, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.000 and no doubt the reporter and the producers also have 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:43.000 a personal opinion. But they of course occupy a pace 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.480 in the place of the Australian media that is apparently 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.880 right down the middle. These are the little tips and 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.880 techniques which are used, as I say, to lift one 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.520 person up and just to hold another person back. Now 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.800 they'll be filthy with me showing you all of this, 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.320 but I'm going to show it anyway, because literallylast night 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.400 I hadn't watched either of the profiles, and I watched 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.000 them back to back and I couldn't lie. It stood 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.640 out to me like the proverbial. Another example, this is 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.800 the type of situation they put the Prime Minister in 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.880 with the reporter friendly let's all get on the cans, 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:22.480 out and about in Tasmania. The footage with Peter Dutton 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.560 was walking the corridors of power in a dark suit. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:30.400 He's a creature of Canberra, well old made Albo. He's 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.319 the one out and about with the people. Let's get 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:36.719 on the cans. How good's this job? I'm sorry to 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.640 go here. But it also extends to how they profiled 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.640 their partners. Now, you know, I don't talk about their partners. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.640 I don't talk about their families, but they This is 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.240 a big part of how these profiles work. Now, this 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.040 is the type of questions and type of conversation that 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:58.000 they were having with Albow's future wife. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.240 It's just that's right. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:03.679 What happens there, that's really important. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.959 It's not that exciting car to be honest, it. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:08.040 Much sometimes it can be. 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:13.880 He's strong, he genuinely cares about people. And his values 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:15.600 are very much centered around fairness. 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.200 Again, out and about in front of water, something like 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.280 Banjo Patterson would have written a poem about. But what 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:27.120 about how the Duttons were shown? Were they shown? No? Instead, 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.120 they were in some sort of dimly lit room. I 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:30.360 don't know. If it's at their house, I don't know. 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.320 If it was at a hotel, I don't know. But 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.640 they certainly weren't out and about with the whole beautiful 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.160 Australian backdrop behind them. These are the little choices that 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.160 are made now. Whether these choices are made by the 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.160 staff around them who helped their deals with the TV stations, 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.600 or whether the TV stations make these choices. You see 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:51.440 how you're starting to get slowly but surely the nonverbal 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.720 cues about who is more friendly, who is more open, 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.840 who is more approachable, who is one of us versus 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.840 who is the person who's trying to be rammed down 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:04.240 throat as the person who is not one of them? Again, 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.320 compare and contrast as the superannuation adds safety unions. Compare 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:09.120 the pair. 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:14.640 Back at home, his wife kirily knows her husband's not 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.320 everyone's cup of tea. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.560 And the things that people say about him, I don't 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:20.680 like them. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.280 And then of course there was the straight up questions 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.600 that were asked. Now, again, part of these profiles is 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.320 generally speaking, it's normally a bit of a tickle, and 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.680 then occasionally there's a bit of a sharp barb that 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.000 goes in. But let's have a look at just how 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.680 personal some of the questions were to Peter Dutton. 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.320 Mister potato head, Lord woldenwot how do you respond to that? 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.240 Okay? And then there was this, of course, as the 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.080 left is trying to pretend that Peter Dutton is the 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.560 Aussie version of Donald Trump. Now there was no such 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:59.280 question as rudely asked to the Prime Minister as was 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.439 asked of Peter Dutton. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.439 From what the Australians have seen thus far, they'd be 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.439 forgiven for thinking that you are right up Donald Trump's ass. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.400 An opinion poll came out today telling us that Australians 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.720 believe that Australia should have a good relationship with the 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.720 United States. The same pole said that it was Peter Dutton, who, 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:19.760 by a margin of at least ten points, was the 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.520 better choice for the better handling of that important relationship 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.480 between Australia and the United States. Yet that was the 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:32.600 treatment on sixty Minutes, and then these moments like this 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.600 to Dutton, we don't know. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.280 How much nuclear is going to cost. We don't know 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.480 when it's going to be finalized, We don't know you know, 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:40.680 when it's going to be online? 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.040 Is it just a pipe dream? And just in case 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.200 it wasn't subtle enough, I wonder which one Carl's going to. 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:55.800 Vote for John An mc wedding, how much charge mats rates. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.160 Now again, Carl, the producers, the network, they all have 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.800 as much as a right to opinion as I do. 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.360 But the difference between say something like a sixty minutes 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:10.120 in this program is that this is overtly an opinion show. 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.760 It's pretty obvious in many, many little decisions what the 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.520 opinion was of the people about who they profiled and 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.840 how they profiled them. Now again, people in the TV 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.600 industry will hate that I am showing you this, but 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.840 my loyalty is not to them. A long time ago 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.840 I gave up on the collective industry cuddles or the 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:34.600 hope for rewards. My loyalty is to you. And part 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.960 of my experience as being somebody who's been lucky enough 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.440 to live a dream of working in the media for 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.480 as long as I have. I can see how they 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:45.760 all do it. Now, should they be able to ask 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.040 the same question of the same leader. Well, no, that 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.200 might be a little bit boring, but it's pretty obvious 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.200 when you're constantly bringing up the worst things that are 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.760 said about one person while you are polishing the image 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.840 of another leader. It's obvious the message you're trying to 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.160 send to the audience. At least on this show, I'll 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.440 tell you up front what I think you don't have 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:14.240 to guess by the lighting. Last week we did our 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.079 pub test, and I've been doing pub tests with lots 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.000 of politicians for a long period of time. It is 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.440 one of my favorite parts of the job, and it 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.800 is really important that you get the chance to be 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:26.960 in the room to see these people, and just like 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.640 all other sort of political debates, you watch their body language. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.320 You like this one, you don't like that one. We're 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.200 generally speaking given a wide berth by the Labor Party 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.760 for obvious reasons. They think there's too much to lose. 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.040 But every one of these pub tests has one thing 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.480 in common. The people in the room aren't from the area. 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:47.360 They're not random fans of Paul Murray Live who trek 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.160 for hours and hours to be there. They are one 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.720 hundred people who are the first to answer an email 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.120 that they would like to be there. We do our 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.480 best to make sure that, yes, while I have an 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.360 opinion and I do an editorial at the start of 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.000 the show, that we make sure that the audience is 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.240 not stacked out by people being able to get twenty 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.839 seats at a time, and we make sure that the 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:12.640 questions are respectful. You'll also remember in last week's pub test, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.680 when there were people who were trying to rip into 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.640 the Country Independent or the one who's getting Teel money 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.760 in the seat of Gilmore, that I stepped in and 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.480 I told the people to stop when I thought things 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.320 were starting to get a little bit rough. Now, obviously 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.760 politicians aren't babies. They've got every right to stand there, 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:34.360 and the public has every right to have a go 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.360 at them. But when things get a little bit too much, 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:38.400 When things there, I say, get a bit closer to 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.480 the energy of the editorial versus the energy of trying 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.480 to give everyone a fair go. It's my job as 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.000 the host to try to step in. Now that does 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.680 annoy some people in the audience because sometimes maybe they 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.360 would like it to be a little bit more like 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:54.080 the UFC than good old fashioned fairness. But every now 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.960 and then you have to if you are promoting something 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.280 like a pub test, one where I don't want, I think, 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.960 is to be on the scale. I'm also cognizant about 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.160 how long each person is talking for. We don't have 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.200 stop watches, but I try to even it up in 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.000 my head as much as possible. And we also make 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.200 sure that I'm not following up and just hammering one 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.360 person over and over and over again. And in the 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.920 forum of last week, there was plenty that I had 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.880 to follow up with both candidates. Now I appreciate that 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.280 it wasn't just the liberal candidate was there. We tried 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.640 to get the Greens, we tried to get Labor. Both 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:34.560 didn't turn up. We obviously also put the invitation when 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.640 we start to know who all of the candidates are 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.200 on the ballot, to the ones that are going to 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:42.320 truly affect the votes. And Andrew Constance created news out 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:46.120 of his appearance when he was talking about the climate 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.480 targets of two thousand and thirty five. Now we know 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.440 that the Liberal Party doesn't want to go much further 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:55.440 than where we currently are. The community independent the country 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.920 Teal said she wanted to go close to seventy five 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:02.400 percent of one percent of the world's problems. And again 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.600 I found Kate very decent. I have no complaints about 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.720 her whatsoever. But again, I'm going to annoy the people 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:09.680 in and around her, but I'm going to stand up 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:14.480 for the people who were in the room. Now. Kate, 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.280 I've got to say, is a lot more approachable than 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.000 many of the teals, and the fact that she was there, 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:23.000 I appreciate it, I genuinely do, but once it was over, 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.880 some of the ways that she has represented the program 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.440 have kind of annoyed me. Now she's open to join 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.520 us again if we do another forum down there, and 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.240 I hope that she would join us. What I'm about 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:37.640 to say is not about trying to tell you to 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.200 vote one way or the other when it comes to 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.040 the seat to Gilmore. But how can I not again 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.560 defend what we are trying to do here, what we've 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:50.120 been doing for multiple multiple elections, which feel like generations sometimes, 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.720 don't they And also the people who are in that room. 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.200 Kate went on LinkedIn I'm not a member of it. 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.480 Somebody spotted it, they found it, and they sent it 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:02.280 to us. Monday night, the Community Independent a candidate for 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.240 the most marginal seat in the country. Blah blah blah. 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:08.119 She went into the lions Den for the first candidate forum. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:09.960 That's fine. An hour of live TV on Sky News 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:14.119 with Paul Murray's pub test at Malula Bay. It was 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.920 just me and Andrew Constance and a live audience of 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:21.199 climate deniers. Now, are there some people who do not 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.720 share her worldview about climate change? I have no doubt, 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.840 But that live audience of climate deniers was one hundred 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.400 people who have a vote in a seat that last 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.440 time was decided by just a few hundred votes. Now, 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.760 I get it, the money comes from outside of the electorate. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.160 But I won't stand by and let the people who 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.480 were in that room be described with one sweeping reference 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:48.439 as climate deniers. But there was another little thing that 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.400 came out of it. I want you to see both 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.879 the question and the answer on the issue in and 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.199 around the types of flags that politicians stand in front of. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.560 We know, of course that the Labor Party believe that 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.400 the Prime Minister and ministers should be standing in front 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.280 of the Australian in the Aboriginal and the Torres Straight 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.920 Islander flag. When it comes to Peter dunn't he believes 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.720 that only the Australian flag does because it covers all Australians, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.600 but those who have connections over thousands of years, or 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.960 those who may will have been born here, or those 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.800 that have turned up last week. So here's the question, 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:22.880 here's the answer. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:28.520 If you are elected, would you display our Australian flag 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.760 proudly in your office or shelf front. 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.600 In my campaign office in now right now, Australian flags flag. 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:36.679 We have one national flag. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.000 We have one national flag. 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.359 And I'm very proud that my leader has indicated that 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.760 he will only stand in front of the Australian flag 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:46.000 as a. 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:51.920 All right, that's the question, that's the answer. Kate is 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.919 standing there. Kate's people are in the audience. They know 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.639 what has just been said. But in an interview on 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:03.320 the ABC this is she presented and misrepresented what was 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:04.280 actually said. 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.520 He pledged that he would never stand in front of 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:08.640 an Aboriginal flag. 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.960 And I managed to maintain a popa face for much 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.520 of the forum, but at that point I. 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:18.240 Was a ga Okay, can we go back and replay 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.960 the question and the answer. Okay, I want you to 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.919 see it again. There is no way that he said that. 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.159 She knows that, but speaking on the ABC, you can 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.080 say whatever you want about Sky News. You can say 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.240 whatever you want about a sky News event. Again, I'm 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.119 going to play it, even though it's as clear as 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.879 day because you saw it before. That's her claim that 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.160 he made a pledge to never stand in front of 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.840 the Aboriginal flag. And it was at that moment when 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.879 she'd kept her composure because the audience was full of 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:50.080 climate deniers and presumably I was giving her an unfair time, 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.159 which is not what was said to me before or 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.720 in the first ad break or after. Again, here is 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.080 the question and the answer. Does it match up with 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:03.199 what she presented on the ABC to no pushback to 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.040 the local presenter who presumably couldn't be bothered watching the 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.160 forum because it's on Sky News. 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:14.959 If you are elected, would you display our Australian flag 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.920 proudly in your office or shelf. 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.800 Front in my campaign office in an hour right now? 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:25.960 Austraine flags flag. We have one national flag. We have 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.800 one national flag, and I'm very proud that my leader 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.119 has indicated that he will only stand in front of 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:32.480 the Australian flag as. 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:39.320 A Now, after presumably the Constance campaign or somebody who 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.640 had watched the show got in touch with the ABC, 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.840 it was a little while later that this went to air. 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.000 The ABC would like to correct a story aired yesterday 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:53.639 that wrongly attributed statements concerning the Aboriginal flag to the 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.960 Liberal candidate for Gilmour, Andrew Constance. The story stated that 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:59.199 mister Constance would no longer support the flying of the 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.040 Aboriginal anti straight isld of flags and that he would 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.240 never stand in front of an Aboriginal flag. What mister 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:09.239 Constance actually said was we have one national flag and 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.280 I'm very proud that my leader has indicated that he 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.400