Speaker 1: The sky new setter. This is Whole Burray Live. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for watching, and we've got so much
Speaker 1: to get to. The concern tonight remains cyclone Alfred. Let's
Speaker 1: get to that and what is happening in Queensland. It
Speaker 1: looks like it is going to hit somewhere around the
Speaker 1: Sunny coast, maybe a little further up, maybe a little
Speaker 1: further down. Then it's going to roll its way into
Speaker 1: by probably the weekend at northern New South Wales. Here's
Speaker 1: the latest from our mates at Sky News Weather. Of
Speaker 1: course we're across at twenty four to seven.
Speaker 2: We're the tropical cycle in Alfred, the system strengthening to
Speaker 2: a category two, adopting that westerly track and then approaching
Speaker 2: the coast. So we can see those red wind arrows
Speaker 2: indicating the gales and heavy rain from the system from
Speaker 2: Wednesday into Thursday.
Speaker 1: Now not just the worry for people who are on
Speaker 1: the coast, but obviously there are some island communities that
Speaker 1: will be affected in the next few days. The Queensland Premier,
Speaker 1: David crucif Foley says now is the time to move.
Speaker 3: There will come a time where you will have to
Speaker 3: have made that decision to leave or stay, and once
Speaker 3: that window closes, we will then support people in whatever
Speaker 3: decision they make, but it is important that they make
Speaker 3: that decision fairly soon now.
Speaker 1: A warning as part of the preparation is for people
Speaker 1: to stock up on things like batteries for torches and
Speaker 1: water to get through a couple of days if for
Speaker 1: whatever reason the systems cut off and the normal mains
Speaker 1: aren't going to work. Now that has resulted in it
Speaker 1: making it very difficult in parts of southeast Queensland to
Speaker 1: get a bottle of water. Servos selling out, supermarkets being
Speaker 1: stripped bear like the worst of the pandemic. Herei's some
Speaker 1: pictures from Woolies at camp Hill. The image is very
Speaker 1: similar to a coal's a little further down as well,
Speaker 1: where there is at Upper Kumra. I should say there
Speaker 1: is very little to no water available. Obviously we'll check
Speaker 1: in with the supermarkets to work out how they're going
Speaker 1: to double down, how they're going to restock. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that seems to be one of the early worries that
Speaker 1: are starting to get in there. Queen's nay knows what
Speaker 1: it's like to live in and around cyclones. Sadly, it
Speaker 1: is far too frequent. There is plenty of historical evidence
Speaker 1: as well about them making their way this far down
Speaker 1: into the state and tipping over into the northern part
Speaker 1: of New South Wales. The preparations roll on as we speak.
Speaker 2: Across the southeast, preparations are underway.
Speaker 4: Residents are sandbagging and securing loose items.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know why I have to say it,
Speaker 1: but I will anyway. Yes, there is some spectacular surf
Speaker 1: that is turning up, up and down the coast. It
Speaker 1: provides incredible photos, but please don't go into it. I
Speaker 1: don't understand why people want to do it. I don't
Speaker 1: understand why they want to put themselves in danger. And
Speaker 1: then of course the emergency services. This will only get
Speaker 1: bigger and worse in the next few days. And what
Speaker 1: about this bloke who was rowing his way from the
Speaker 1: United States to Queensland. He was doing about seventy miles
Speaker 1: a day of rowing, and of course he got on
Speaker 1: the other side of this thing, so he needed to
Speaker 1: be rescued. Today, this bloke got into trouble at about
Speaker 1: seven hundred and forty kilometers east of Mackay. He tried
Speaker 1: to row twelve thousand kilometers across the Pacific Ocean. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's doing it for some world record or raising money,
Speaker 1: but come on, a sixteen thousand ton Australian Navy vessel
Speaker 1: was sent to go and get him. The bloke set
Speaker 1: off on his journey in October and was days away
Speaker 1: from getting his final destination. So I'm glad that he's safe.
Speaker 1: But obviously the idea that you can row row row
Speaker 1: your boat from the United States to Australia not exactly
Speaker 1: in my view, the smartest way to spend your time.
Speaker 1: But people do what they do, and the people who
Speaker 1: have to go and rescue them, thank goodness for what
Speaker 1: they do. To everyone who is in the zone, please
Speaker 1: pay attention. I know that you think that you know
Speaker 1: this one's We've been through this one hundred times. Just
Speaker 1: pay attention to the information being given to you. I
Speaker 1: would prefer people to be inconvenienced as we overreact, rather
Speaker 1: than and unprepared as things start to batten down. I've
Speaker 1: been talking this about this for a few days. That's
Speaker 1: when the theory was a little further up. Now that
Speaker 1: it's going to get closer to population centers, it gets
Speaker 1: even more serious. We'll be across it all the way through.
Speaker 1: Make sure your homepage for the information is sky news
Speaker 1: dot com. Do you make sure you're checking with us
Speaker 1: each and every night, But obviously Skye News, whether that
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven on what is about to unfold. Now,
Speaker 1: it's not just my job to sit here and tell
Speaker 1: you about the politics of the day. But something that
Speaker 1: I clearly and very across is how the media covers politics. Now,
Speaker 1: this is in the modern terms referred to as media literacy.
Speaker 1: For you to understand what truly is going on behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, and it'll be pretty easy for people to
Speaker 1: turn around and say, oh, this media is bias and
Speaker 1: that media is biased. But tonight I want to show
Speaker 1: you how they spin the ball in one direction or
Speaker 1: the other. Now, sixty Minutes in the past couple of
Speaker 1: weeks has done profiles on both the Prime Minister and
Speaker 1: the alternative Prime Minister. But when you actually start to
Speaker 1: have a look at some of the techniques that we used,
Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious which one, either the reporter, the producer,
Speaker 1: the program or even Channel nine thinks should be the
Speaker 1: prime minister after this upcoming election. Now, as always, the
Speaker 1: sixty minute interview is one where you get to show
Speaker 1: your quote unquote softer side.
Speaker 5: It is absolutely delightful to meet someone who you want
Speaker 5: to spend the rest of your life with. We're best
Speaker 5: friends as well as in a relationship, and that's just tremendous.
Speaker 1: Working at the local butcher for me is like a
Speaker 1: pretty shy kid.
Speaker 3: Actually, it sort of brought out the ability to speak
Speaker 3: to people across the counter, and you know, it was
Speaker 3: a sort of a fun environment to work in.
Speaker 1: And that is about as long as you're going to
Speaker 1: hear from the leaders, because I want to focus on
Speaker 1: how the media spins the ball, about how they use
Speaker 1: all of the tricks in the trade to make someone
Speaker 1: look better and brighter and someone look well, not as
Speaker 1: better and brighter. Perfect example, this is about how they
Speaker 1: started their profile with Anthony Albanezi.
Speaker 6: Tonight it's the turn of Alba and is soon to
Speaker 6: be bride and possible secret weapon Jody Hayden.
Speaker 1: And this is how they start with Dunton.
Speaker 6: Unfriendly, unlikable, unelectable for those who oppose opposition leader Peter Dutton.
Speaker 6: He's easy to characterize.
Speaker 1: Also without boring you about the technology of television, but
Speaker 1: things like lighting is really important. The more you light
Speaker 1: you throw on a subject, generally speaking, the nicer and
Speaker 1: better that they are going to look. Have a look
Speaker 1: at the lighting setup that was for the interview that
Speaker 1: was done with the Prime Minister, I believe in Tasmania.
Speaker 1: All of it pretty light, pretty bright. Well basically it
Speaker 1: was a dolphin torch when they were talking to Peter Dutton.
Speaker 1: Tight shots, no example of a nice, big modern room,
Speaker 1: no extra showbiz around it, just a tight and as
Speaker 1: I said, fairly poorly lit image. Now this matters because
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people, the people who in compulsory
Speaker 1: Voda Land will only just start making their decision in
Speaker 1: the next little while coming off the back of the
Speaker 1: country's biggest TV show in maths. How these things are
Speaker 1: profiled matters. Now you know that I have an opinion,
Speaker 1: and no doubt the reporter and the producers also have
Speaker 1: a personal opinion. But they of course occupy a pace
Speaker 1: in the place of the Australian media that is apparently
Speaker 1: right down the middle. These are the little tips and
Speaker 1: techniques which are used, as I say, to lift one
Speaker 1: person up and just to hold another person back. Now
Speaker 1: they'll be filthy with me showing you all of this,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to show it anyway, because literallylast night
Speaker 1: I hadn't watched either of the profiles, and I watched
Speaker 1: them back to back and I couldn't lie. It stood
Speaker 1: out to me like the proverbial. Another example, this is
Speaker 1: the type of situation they put the Prime Minister in
Speaker 1: with the reporter friendly let's all get on the cans,
Speaker 1: out and about in Tasmania. The footage with Peter Dutton
Speaker 1: was walking the corridors of power in a dark suit.
Speaker 1: He's a creature of Canberra, well old made Albo. He's
Speaker 1: the one out and about with the people. Let's get
Speaker 1: on the cans. How good's this job? I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: go here. But it also extends to how they profiled
Speaker 1: their partners. Now, you know, I don't talk about their partners.
Speaker 1: I don't talk about their families, but they This is
Speaker 1: a big part of how these profiles work. Now, this
Speaker 1: is the type of questions and type of conversation that
Speaker 1: they were having with Albow's future wife.
Speaker 4: It's just that's right.
Speaker 5: What happens there, that's really important.
Speaker 7: It's not that exciting car to be honest, it.
Speaker 1: Much sometimes it can be.
Speaker 8: He's strong, he genuinely cares about people. And his values
Speaker 8: are very much centered around fairness.
Speaker 1: Again, out and about in front of water, something like
Speaker 1: Banjo Patterson would have written a poem about. But what
Speaker 1: about how the Duttons were shown? Were they shown? No? Instead,
Speaker 1: they were in some sort of dimly lit room. I
Speaker 1: don't know. If it's at their house, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If it was at a hotel, I don't know. But
Speaker 1: they certainly weren't out and about with the whole beautiful
Speaker 1: Australian backdrop behind them. These are the little choices that
Speaker 1: are made now. Whether these choices are made by the
Speaker 1: staff around them who helped their deals with the TV stations,
Speaker 1: or whether the TV stations make these choices. You see
Speaker 1: how you're starting to get slowly but surely the nonverbal
Speaker 1: cues about who is more friendly, who is more open,
Speaker 1: who is more approachable, who is one of us versus
Speaker 1: who is the person who's trying to be rammed down
Speaker 1: throat as the person who is not one of them? Again,
Speaker 1: compare and contrast as the superannuation adds safety unions. Compare
Speaker 1: the pair.
Speaker 6: Back at home, his wife kirily knows her husband's not
Speaker 6: everyone's cup of tea.
Speaker 9: And the things that people say about him, I don't
Speaker 9: like them.
Speaker 1: And then of course there was the straight up questions
Speaker 1: that were asked. Now, again, part of these profiles is
Speaker 1: generally speaking, it's normally a bit of a tickle, and
Speaker 1: then occasionally there's a bit of a sharp barb that
Speaker 1: goes in. But let's have a look at just how
Speaker 1: personal some of the questions were to Peter Dutton.
Speaker 6: Mister potato head, Lord woldenwot how do you respond to that?
Speaker 1: Okay? And then there was this, of course, as the
Speaker 1: left is trying to pretend that Peter Dutton is the
Speaker 1: Aussie version of Donald Trump. Now there was no such
Speaker 1: question as rudely asked to the Prime Minister as was
Speaker 1: asked of Peter Dutton.
Speaker 6: From what the Australians have seen thus far, they'd be
Speaker 6: forgiven for thinking that you are right up Donald Trump's ass.
Speaker 1: An opinion poll came out today telling us that Australians
Speaker 1: believe that Australia should have a good relationship with the
Speaker 1: United States. The same pole said that it was Peter Dutton, who,
Speaker 1: by a margin of at least ten points, was the
Speaker 1: better choice for the better handling of that important relationship
Speaker 1: between Australia and the United States. Yet that was the
Speaker 1: treatment on sixty Minutes, and then these moments like this
Speaker 1: to Dutton, we don't know.
Speaker 6: How much nuclear is going to cost. We don't know
Speaker 6: when it's going to be finalized, We don't know you know,
Speaker 6: when it's going to be online?
Speaker 1: Is it just a pipe dream? And just in case
Speaker 1: it wasn't subtle enough, I wonder which one Carl's going to.
Speaker 6: Vote for John An mc wedding, how much charge mats rates.
Speaker 1: Now again, Carl, the producers, the network, they all have
Speaker 1: as much as a right to opinion as I do.
Speaker 1: But the difference between say something like a sixty minutes
Speaker 1: in this program is that this is overtly an opinion show.
Speaker 1: It's pretty obvious in many, many little decisions what the
Speaker 1: opinion was of the people about who they profiled and
Speaker 1: how they profiled them. Now again, people in the TV
Speaker 1: industry will hate that I am showing you this, but
Speaker 1: my loyalty is not to them. A long time ago
Speaker 1: I gave up on the collective industry cuddles or the
Speaker 1: hope for rewards. My loyalty is to you. And part
Speaker 1: of my experience as being somebody who's been lucky enough
Speaker 1: to live a dream of working in the media for
Speaker 1: as long as I have. I can see how they
Speaker 1: all do it. Now, should they be able to ask
Speaker 1: the same question of the same leader. Well, no, that
Speaker 1: might be a little bit boring, but it's pretty obvious
Speaker 1: when you're constantly bringing up the worst things that are
Speaker 1: said about one person while you are polishing the image
Speaker 1: of another leader. It's obvious the message you're trying to
Speaker 1: send to the audience. At least on this show, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you up front what I think you don't have
Speaker 1: to guess by the lighting. Last week we did our
Speaker 1: pub test, and I've been doing pub tests with lots
Speaker 1: of politicians for a long period of time. It is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts of the job, and it
Speaker 1: is really important that you get the chance to be
Speaker 1: in the room to see these people, and just like
Speaker 1: all other sort of political debates, you watch their body language.
Speaker 1: You like this one, you don't like that one. We're
Speaker 1: generally speaking given a wide berth by the Labor Party
Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. They think there's too much to lose.
Speaker 1: But every one of these pub tests has one thing
Speaker 1: in common. The people in the room aren't from the area.
Speaker 1: They're not random fans of Paul Murray Live who trek
Speaker 1: for hours and hours to be there. They are one
Speaker 1: hundred people who are the first to answer an email
Speaker 1: that they would like to be there. We do our
Speaker 1: best to make sure that, yes, while I have an
Speaker 1: opinion and I do an editorial at the start of
Speaker 1: the show, that we make sure that the audience is
Speaker 1: not stacked out by people being able to get twenty
Speaker 1: seats at a time, and we make sure that the
Speaker 1: questions are respectful. You'll also remember in last week's pub test,
Speaker 1: when there were people who were trying to rip into
Speaker 1: the Country Independent or the one who's getting Teel money
Speaker 1: in the seat of Gilmore, that I stepped in and
Speaker 1: I told the people to stop when I thought things
Speaker 1: were starting to get a little bit rough. Now, obviously
Speaker 1: politicians aren't babies. They've got every right to stand there,
Speaker 1: and the public has every right to have a go
Speaker 1: at them. But when things get a little bit too much,
Speaker 1: When things there, I say, get a bit closer to
Speaker 1: the energy of the editorial versus the energy of trying
Speaker 1: to give everyone a fair go. It's my job as
Speaker 1: the host to try to step in. Now that does
Speaker 1: annoy some people in the audience because sometimes maybe they
Speaker 1: would like it to be a little bit more like
Speaker 1: the UFC than good old fashioned fairness. But every now
Speaker 1: and then you have to if you are promoting something
Speaker 1: like a pub test, one where I don't want, I think,
Speaker 1: is to be on the scale. I'm also cognizant about
Speaker 1: how long each person is talking for. We don't have
Speaker 1: stop watches, but I try to even it up in
Speaker 1: my head as much as possible. And we also make
Speaker 1: sure that I'm not following up and just hammering one
Speaker 1: person over and over and over again. And in the
Speaker 1: forum of last week, there was plenty that I had
Speaker 1: to follow up with both candidates. Now I appreciate that
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the liberal candidate was there. We tried
Speaker 1: to get the Greens, we tried to get Labor. Both
Speaker 1: didn't turn up. We obviously also put the invitation when
Speaker 1: we start to know who all of the candidates are
Speaker 1: on the ballot, to the ones that are going to
Speaker 1: truly affect the votes. And Andrew Constance created news out
Speaker 1: of his appearance when he was talking about the climate
Speaker 1: targets of two thousand and thirty five. Now we know
Speaker 1: that the Liberal Party doesn't want to go much further
Speaker 1: than where we currently are. The community independent the country
Speaker 1: Teal said she wanted to go close to seventy five
Speaker 1: percent of one percent of the world's problems. And again
Speaker 1: I found Kate very decent. I have no complaints about
Speaker 1: her whatsoever. But again, I'm going to annoy the people
Speaker 1: in and around her, but I'm going to stand up
Speaker 1: for the people who were in the room. Now. Kate,
Speaker 1: I've got to say, is a lot more approachable than
Speaker 1: many of the teals, and the fact that she was there,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, I genuinely do, but once it was over,
Speaker 1: some of the ways that she has represented the program
Speaker 1: have kind of annoyed me. Now she's open to join
Speaker 1: us again if we do another forum down there, and
Speaker 1: I hope that she would join us. What I'm about
Speaker 1: to say is not about trying to tell you to
Speaker 1: vote one way or the other when it comes to
Speaker 1: the seat to Gilmore. But how can I not again
Speaker 1: defend what we are trying to do here, what we've
Speaker 1: been doing for multiple multiple elections, which feel like generations sometimes,
Speaker 1: don't they And also the people who are in that room.
Speaker 1: Kate went on LinkedIn I'm not a member of it.
Speaker 1: Somebody spotted it, they found it, and they sent it
Speaker 1: to us. Monday night, the Community Independent a candidate for
Speaker 1: the most marginal seat in the country. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: She went into the lions Den for the first candidate forum.
Speaker 1: That's fine. An hour of live TV on Sky News
Speaker 1: with Paul Murray's pub test at Malula Bay. It was
Speaker 1: just me and Andrew Constance and a live audience of
Speaker 1: climate deniers. Now, are there some people who do not
Speaker 1: share her worldview about climate change? I have no doubt,
Speaker 1: But that live audience of climate deniers was one hundred
Speaker 1: people who have a vote in a seat that last
Speaker 1: time was decided by just a few hundred votes. Now,
Speaker 1: I get it, the money comes from outside of the electorate.
Speaker 1: But I won't stand by and let the people who
Speaker 1: were in that room be described with one sweeping reference
Speaker 1: as climate deniers. But there was another little thing that
Speaker 1: came out of it. I want you to see both
Speaker 1: the question and the answer on the issue in and
Speaker 1: around the types of flags that politicians stand in front of.
Speaker 1: We know, of course that the Labor Party believe that
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister and ministers should be standing in front
Speaker 1: of the Australian in the Aboriginal and the Torres Straight
Speaker 1: Islander flag. When it comes to Peter dunn't he believes
Speaker 1: that only the Australian flag does because it covers all Australians,
Speaker 1: but those who have connections over thousands of years, or
Speaker 1: those who may will have been born here, or those
Speaker 1: that have turned up last week. So here's the question,
Speaker 1: here's the answer.
Speaker 10: If you are elected, would you display our Australian flag
Speaker 10: proudly in your office or shelf front.
Speaker 11: In my campaign office in now right now, Australian flags flag.
Speaker 11: We have one national flag.
Speaker 1: We have one national flag.
Speaker 11: And I'm very proud that my leader has indicated that
Speaker 11: he will only stand in front of the Australian flag
Speaker 11: as a.
Speaker 1: All right, that's the question, that's the answer. Kate is
Speaker 1: standing there. Kate's people are in the audience. They know
Speaker 1: what has just been said. But in an interview on
Speaker 1: the ABC this is she presented and misrepresented what was
Speaker 1: actually said.
Speaker 3: He pledged that he would never stand in front of
Speaker 3: an Aboriginal flag.
Speaker 8: And I managed to maintain a popa face for much
Speaker 8: of the forum, but at that point I.
Speaker 1: Was a ga Okay, can we go back and replay
Speaker 1: the question and the answer. Okay, I want you to
Speaker 1: see it again. There is no way that he said that.
Speaker 1: She knows that, but speaking on the ABC, you can
Speaker 1: say whatever you want about Sky News. You can say
Speaker 1: whatever you want about a sky News event. Again, I'm
Speaker 1: going to play it, even though it's as clear as
Speaker 1: day because you saw it before. That's her claim that
Speaker 1: he made a pledge to never stand in front of
Speaker 1: the Aboriginal flag. And it was at that moment when
Speaker 1: she'd kept her composure because the audience was full of
Speaker 1: climate deniers and presumably I was giving her an unfair time,
Speaker 1: which is not what was said to me before or
Speaker 1: in the first ad break or after. Again, here is
Speaker 1: the question and the answer. Does it match up with
Speaker 1: what she presented on the ABC to no pushback to
Speaker 1: the local presenter who presumably couldn't be bothered watching the
Speaker 1: forum because it's on Sky News.
Speaker 10: If you are elected, would you display our Australian flag
Speaker 10: proudly in your office or shelf.
Speaker 11: Front in my campaign office in an hour right now?
Speaker 11: Austraine flags flag. We have one national flag. We have
Speaker 11: one national flag, and I'm very proud that my leader
Speaker 11: has indicated that he will only stand in front of
Speaker 11: the Australian flag as.
Speaker 1: A Now, after presumably the Constance campaign or somebody who
Speaker 1: had watched the show got in touch with the ABC,
Speaker 1: it was a little while later that this went to air.
Speaker 8: The ABC would like to correct a story aired yesterday
Speaker 8: that wrongly attributed statements concerning the Aboriginal flag to the
Speaker 8: Liberal candidate for Gilmour, Andrew Constance. The story stated that
Speaker 8: mister Constance would no longer support the flying of the
Speaker 8: Aboriginal anti straight isld of flags and that he would
Speaker 8: never stand in front of an Aboriginal flag. What mister
Speaker 8: Constance actually said was we have one national flag and
Speaker 8: I'm very proud that my leader has indicated that he
Speaker 8: will only stand in front of the Australian flag as
Speaker 8: the prime Minister. The ABC apologizes to mister Constance.
Speaker 1: So the forum happens, the interview happens, the correction happens
Speaker 1: the day after the interview happens. But in the same
Speaker 1: way that many people who are frustrated when corrections need
Speaker 1: to be offered that they appear as six point font
Speaker 1: on the back of a website or despite a screaming
Speaker 1: front page. An apology is issued days weeks or months
Speaker 1: later on page twenty seven. That's exactly the effect of
Speaker 1: what took place. Now again, because interpersonally, I had zero
Speaker 1: issues with Kate. She said she had zero issues with me,
Speaker 1: and I have to believe her and take people at
Speaker 1: face value. And I don't know if the people around
Speaker 1: her or those who are sending the money from Sydney
Speaker 1: are saying, well, it doesn't matter who cares how he feels.
Speaker 1: Well again, I don't really think it matters how I feel,
Speaker 1: but it does matter that a hundred people who are
Speaker 1: in that room were pushed aside as simply a group
Speaker 1: of climate deniers, and that the country teal is representing
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party as a candidate so racist they wouldn't
Speaker 1: stand in front of the Australian flag. And the ABC
Speaker 1: presenter who clearly didn't watch the program, because if they had,
Speaker 1: they would have corrected it in the moment, or maybe
Speaker 1: they did watch the show and didn't think that anyone
Speaker 1: was going to follow up. Let's talk about the countdown
Speaker 1: of the election expectation to be called this weekend. Interesting though,
Speaker 1: that if the cyclone causes the havoc that it may
Speaker 1: that may well not be the case, that may be
Speaker 1: delayed for another week or another couple of weeks. But
Speaker 1: as we've talked about all the way through this election
Speaker 1: in this opinion show, don't have to trust the lighting
Speaker 1: and the editing. I'm no fan of Albow, never was,
Speaker 1: never will be. I think that his promise going to
Speaker 1: the last election was a lie and a lie they
Speaker 1: knew they were making at the time. They said power
Speaker 1: bills will go down by two hundred and seventy five dollars,
Speaker 1: by two hundred twenty twenty five. The only reason they
Speaker 1: go down by twenty five dollars a month is because
Speaker 1: of a last minute payoff to the power companies that
Speaker 1: has to be renewed each and every year. I also
Speaker 1: can't stand that when the country was going through the
Speaker 1: beginnings of a cost of living crisis in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: the Labour Party said, and how many times have I
Speaker 1: shown you the image I'll save you tonight, that a
Speaker 1: Labor party will promise to bring down the cost of living. Instead,
Speaker 1: everything got worse. They say they do everything when it
Speaker 1: comes to helping people when it comes to the cost
Speaker 1: of living, But you know, the tax cuts were too little,
Speaker 1: too late. Fourteen dollars a week for people forty thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: and you also know that they took fifteen hundred dollars
Speaker 1: as an automatic tax return of ten million people. That
Speaker 1: annoys me. And while most people in the political world
Speaker 1: simply forget, I don't because in the same way that
Speaker 1: the politicians that the rest of the media don't like
Speaker 1: they are held account to, well, I'll do exactly the
Speaker 1: same here, even if sometimes you feel like Robinson Crusoe.
Speaker 1: But you're here, and you're here each and every night.
Speaker 1: You're loyalty to this program and our familiarity that we're
Speaker 1: built up over a long time means an awful lot
Speaker 1: to me. So the Prime Minister, we've got to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on a little trick that he is pulling
Speaker 1: at the moment, which is to promise an awful lot
Speaker 1: of money, lots of policies, lots of promises, everything from
Speaker 1: sea walls in the seat of Gilmore through to money
Speaker 1: for places like Tasmania, billions of dollars for the NBN,
Speaker 1: and billions more when it comes to things like the
Speaker 1: health promises. Since January, the Prime Minister has promises that
Speaker 1: now total and we're going off his website, by the way,
Speaker 1: thirty one b four billion dollars. Yet the Labor Party,
Speaker 1: while spending this amount of money and promising to spend
Speaker 1: more of it, knowing that according to the Intergenerational Report,
Speaker 1: the budget will be in deficit for the next forty
Speaker 1: four zero years, they plan even more billions of dollars
Speaker 1: on top of that. And we haven't even got to
Speaker 1: the start of the election campaign. But the Labor Party
Speaker 1: seems to be going unchallenged by the media who are
Speaker 1: more than happy to do their bidding to always give
Speaker 1: them the benefit of the doubt. They are allowed to
Speaker 1: get away with saying this every time the Coalition makes
Speaker 1: any announcement whatsoever.
Speaker 5: I was hoping that at some stage pet It Utton
Speaker 5: would actually announce a costed policy. Well, i'll tell you
Speaker 5: what's disappeared, the coalition's credibility because every analysis says it
Speaker 5: will take too long, it will cost too much, and
Speaker 5: it just doesn't add up for Australia.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine, he says it, but there should be
Speaker 1: some pushback because when the Prime Minister is making thirty
Speaker 1: one zero point twenty five billion dollars worth of promises,
Speaker 1: the obvious question has to be excuse me, sir, how
Speaker 1: are you going to pay for it? But guess what, tumbleweeds.
Speaker 1: We find very little evidence of this, and we get
Speaker 1: a transcript of every conversation he has, be it on
Speaker 1: FM radio or be it in a press conference. In fact,
Speaker 1: this is how little detail is being put about how
Speaker 1: things are going to be paid for. When it comes
Speaker 1: to Anthony Albernezi and his announcements on the behalf of
Speaker 1: the Labor Party, billions of dollars trying to change the subject,
Speaker 1: buy people off, distract from the reality that they promised
Speaker 1: life would get better when life got worse and demonstrably worse.
Speaker 1: Take for example, the announcement yesterday six hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars for fifty new urgent care clinics. Urgent clinics
Speaker 1: very cute way of saying medical centers where doctors will
Speaker 1: go and see you so you don't go to the hospital.
Speaker 1: All of it ends up being bogged built, and of
Speaker 1: course that means in many ways they end up being
Speaker 1: prescription farms. This was the information which was available on
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister's website as the press release that he
Speaker 1: released along with that announcement yesterday. Did any of the
Speaker 1: so called major media mention in any of their stories?
Speaker 1: Excuse me, sir, how much is this going to be
Speaker 1: paid for? Well, let's show you.
Speaker 6: Fifty more Medicare urgent care clinics are set to be
Speaker 6: rolled out across the country as Labor makes its biggest
Speaker 6: investment in Medicare in over forty.
Speaker 4: Years, promising almost six hundred and fifty million dollars to
Speaker 4: establish fifty new urgent care clinics across the country, on
Speaker 4: top of the almost ninety already delivered.
Speaker 8: The government promising six hundred and forty four million dollars
Speaker 8: to build fifty more of Medicare urgent care clinics, the
Speaker 8: coalition agreeing to four.
Speaker 1: The point being this, if the question is good enough
Speaker 1: for one side, it has to be good enough for
Speaker 1: all sides. I would like it asked of all sides.
Speaker 1: But I think we both know what's going to happen here. Because,
Speaker 1: of course, the most likely outcome of this election is
Speaker 1: a Labor minority government. There is an outside chance of
Speaker 1: a liberal minority government. That is still the preferred position
Speaker 1: of the bookies. The bookies knew more than the Polsters
Speaker 1: in the United States. But do you see here a
Speaker 1: relationship between the people who are reporting on politics taking
Speaker 1: out a little bit of insurance about not annoying the
Speaker 1: people who they think, hope or want to be the
Speaker 1: next government of Australia. Because if you get frozen out
Speaker 1: by the Prime Minister's office, if the Health Minister won't
Speaker 1: return your calls, then of course that means you won't
Speaker 1: be able to file exclusive stories. So it's people trying
Speaker 1: to protect their access to power. Further detail inside of
Speaker 1: this announcement is what today's stories were, And I've got
Speaker 1: to say well done to the ABC online people who
Speaker 1: followed this information which was up on the Health Minister's website,
Speaker 1: which was the exact locations of these new fifty medical
Speaker 1: centers that will be paid for in part by the taxpayer.
Speaker 1: The Opposition have said that there's no question that all
Speaker 1: of this is being used to be in very specific announcements,
Speaker 1: specific seats one's Labor wants to hold or Labor wants
Speaker 1: to win. Analysis by the ABC says this the clinics
Speaker 1: already open about a quarter or an electorates that have
Speaker 1: less than five percent hold for the Labor Party. Whereas
Speaker 1: when you look at the announcement made yesterday. Of the
Speaker 1: fifty clinics, about half are in labor electorates that are
Speaker 1: considered marginal. Good on them for following up a good
Speaker 1: example about the people who claim to be better at
Speaker 1: their job and more understanding of Australian politics than anything
Speaker 1: I could ever aspire to be from my lowly place
Speaker 1: with you each and every night. But Peter Dutton tried
Speaker 1: to make something of this today. Didn't fire much in
Speaker 1: the media, but at least he made the point. There's
Speaker 1: no question that labor's porul barreling. You'll have a look
Speaker 1: at the map as to where these clinics have gone.
Speaker 1: And again the people who twenty four to seven multiple
Speaker 1: years in a row, have followed this Prime Minister, you
Speaker 1: would think would be slightly more skeptical when he sees
Speaker 1: things like this.
Speaker 5: The great benefit of these Medicare urgent care clinics is
Speaker 5: that taking pressure of costs of living for families.
Speaker 1: But the reality is that under this government you have
Speaker 1: to pay more to see the doctor than ever before.
Speaker 1: In fact, the analysis that was put forward to us
Speaker 1: today it's gone news dot com. That are you another
Speaker 1: reason why it should be your homepage, because here are
Speaker 1: the facts, this is the data, These are the bricks
Speaker 1: in the wall. The opinion is the mortar forty six
Speaker 1: dollars on top of the amount of money that Medicare
Speaker 1: pays because as you know, yes you get the card,
Speaker 1: but then they turn around and say that, well you'll
Speaker 1: only get X dollars back of the wide dollars that
Speaker 1: you have spent. The average out of cost pocket out
Speaker 1: of pocket cost to see GPS is more than double
Speaker 1: since two thousand and five. It's now forty six dollars
Speaker 1: and thirty one cents. All of that has happened under
Speaker 1: the Albanese government. Nationally, by the way, bolk billing has fallen,
Speaker 1: in fact, eleven percent since Labor came to power, So
Speaker 1: fewer people are bold billing and they are paying more
Speaker 1: on top of the amount that the taxpayer is paying,
Speaker 1: all on their watch. Yet the media never points this
Speaker 1: out because dare they annoy the King Albo? Dare they
Speaker 1: piss off the media teams that they have the great
Speaker 1: little relationships with. You see, when they want to, the
Speaker 1: Canbra Press Gallery can turn themselves into Canbra Colombos. They
Speaker 1: can follow every little detail of who knew what and
Speaker 1: when and which day and what document and how many
Speaker 1: of this and how much that? And they were very
Speaker 1: excited about Peter Dutton's share trading in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: Yet what about the golf between what Albanese is presenting
Speaker 1: himself to be and the reality of his prime ministership.
Speaker 1: But I made that point last night too, that this
Speaker 1: is a government who on the weekend made an announcement
Speaker 1: that they were going to freeze any further increases in
Speaker 1: alcohol taxes, particularly beer taxes, for the next two years,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that, of course they have increased beer
Speaker 1: taxes multiple times over the past three years. But did
Speaker 1: that turn up in the media? What do you reckon?
Speaker 7: In an early gift to himself and voters, Anthony Albanesi
Speaker 7: announcing a temporary pause to the draft beer excise.
Speaker 9: Anthony Albanesi announces he'll freeze the tax on draft beer
Speaker 9: for two years from August.
Speaker 1: I lose what little friends I have left in the
Speaker 1: business by calling this stuff out. But my loyalty is
Speaker 1: not to them, not to their Christmas parties, not to
Speaker 1: their WhatsApp chats, but to you. So do me a favor.
Speaker 1: Join me every single night between now and the election,
Speaker 1: because we are honored on it. Quick break back with
Speaker 1: more here on Paul Murray Live, and at least Nielsen
Speaker 1: joins us from the States as well. We're not just
Speaker 1: going to talk about the Trump and Zelinsky stuff, but
Speaker 1: also how the media is now releasing books about how
Speaker 1: they always knew Biden was declining but didn't cover more
Speaker 1: in a sec Thank you so much for watching, being
Speaker 1: very patient while I go on and on and on
Speaker 1: and on and on, and then find another way to keep going
Speaker 1: on and on and on. But there was a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about and a lot of garbage to point
Speaker 1: out to you. Is none of the wonderful Linda Scott
Speaker 1: is here in the man Cave and Matt Canavan, who
Speaker 1: is sitting by and well getting ready for the next
Speaker 1: few days in Queensland. Matt, I'll just ask you about
Speaker 1: that scenario. Obviously, like everyone, you're going to be paying
Speaker 1: attention to to where it hits at this stage, maybe
Speaker 1: a little further north of the Sunny Coast. But there's
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of a lot of worry
Speaker 1: for Queensland in the next few days. What's your advice
Speaker 1: to the hard corese who've seen it all before.
Speaker 9: Well, just take precautions, stay inside where you can and
Speaker 9: be safe. With the warning systems we have these days
Speaker 9: and modern buildings, everybody should be able to get through
Speaker 9: a cyclone safe. So that's the nast thing we pray for,
Speaker 9: and any physical damage can be fixed later. It is
Speaker 9: going to be worrying a few days because it's an
Speaker 9: area obviously that doesn't get many cyclones, about fifty years
Speaker 9: since the last. So look, hopefully everyone does do that,
Speaker 9: bunker down and Queenslanders will rebuild, I'm sure like we
Speaker 9: always do.
Speaker 1: All right. Now, we're going to do a lot of
Speaker 1: speed dating here, so let's put our speed dating heads
Speaker 1: on here for answers to questions not quite yes or no,
Speaker 1: but you know, feel free to leave the third power
Speaker 1: of the third paragraph out sometimes on some stuff here,
Speaker 1: Simon Benson. It's a great column as always, and in
Speaker 1: the Australian newspaper he focused in on how just thirty
Speaker 1: four percent of Australians believe the government should be re elected.
Speaker 1: He says, the entire question that is at the heart
Speaker 1: of any election, but this one in particular, is to
Speaker 1: people believe the government deserves to be re elected. Now,
Speaker 1: let's get to this here where Linda. If only thirty
Speaker 1: four percent of people have that position right now and
Speaker 1: an election would be six weeks away, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of distance to be covered by the Labor Party.
Speaker 12: Look, I've always said, Paul on your show that Labor
Speaker 12: is the underdog coming into this election. It's really tough
Speaker 12: in a global uncertainty that we have to win an
Speaker 12: election under these conditions. Nevertheless, elections are won by the
Speaker 12: question that's asked, not the answer that's given. Right, and
Speaker 12: so good on Simon Benson for giving you know that
Speaker 12: article a run. But the real question is would Peter
Speaker 12: Dutton actually do a better job than the current Prime
Speaker 12: minister at reducing your cost of living?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 12: Would he do a better job Peter Dutton given that
Speaker 12: he tried to introduce the gp CO payment as a
Speaker 12: person who's trying to save Medicare, No he would not.
Speaker 12: Would Peter Dutton do a better job of supporting communities
Speaker 12: with the things that they need, a better education system,
Speaker 12: more jobs, you know, a strong economy, No he would not.
Speaker 12: So this election is going to be about communities in
Speaker 12: Australia asking the right questions. I know we've got to
Speaker 12: run Matt canavan, do stay safe. I got a text
Speaker 12: from Queensland Is just afternoon with a photo of a
Speaker 12: case of four x and toilet paper, and I did think,
Speaker 12: go Queensland. Only Queensland can handle a massive storm in
Speaker 12: this way. We hope you're all safe.
Speaker 1: Good well, said all right, Matt. Obviously that is a
Speaker 1: central question. You've got to be confident that if people
Speaker 1: the majority are nowhere near does the government get to
Speaker 1: be re elected. But the point is, and I lost
Speaker 1: a couple of got some angry texts about my editorial
Speaker 1: last night about how the opposition is starting to fight
Speaker 1: this fight. Do you think that that case has been
Speaker 1: made or people have just told you upfront that they're
Speaker 1: willing to change.
Speaker 9: Well, we've got to make the case, Paul. It's up
Speaker 9: to us to do that the next few weeks and months.
Speaker 9: Simon Stat's right in the sense that it gives us
Speaker 9: we've got the chance because of that. We've got the
Speaker 9: chance because this government has clearly dropped the ball and
Speaker 9: hasn't managed particularly the cost of living crisis Australians are
Speaker 9: living through in the last few years very well. We've
Speaker 9: got too much government spending, too much red tape and
Speaker 9: we've been taking in too many people into this country
Speaker 9: and all of those things have exacerbated the situation facing
Speaker 9: a strain household. So we've got plants to tackle all
Speaker 9: three of those things. That's what we've got to get
Speaker 9: out there and sell. I don't think we'll just be
Speaker 9: resting on our laurels. It's tough to take down our
Speaker 9: first term government. As much as Lenda and the Labor
Speaker 9: Party wants to take the underdog status, the reality is
Speaker 9: winning government from opposition after just one term is very
Speaker 9: very hard, and we would have we would, but would
Speaker 9: not be favorites because of that.
Speaker 1: Now people sign up to power companies and sometimes you
Speaker 1: in order to get the best possible deal, you might
Speaker 1: tick the teas and season not be fully across what
Speaker 1: all of those teaes and seas are. Power companies in
Speaker 1: Queensland have the capacity to turn down your air conditioner
Speaker 1: and one hundred and twenty thousand Queensland homes have had
Speaker 1: their air conditioning turned down to only fifty percent of
Speaker 1: its capacity, not once, not twice, but five times in
Speaker 1: two months. Again, people sign up to it, but that
Speaker 1: seems to me to be ridiculous that anyone other than
Speaker 1: yourself is setting your econditioner. It is poor.
Speaker 9: I mean, we never had this problem before we started
Speaker 9: on this renewable energy transition, did we. We just used
Speaker 9: to be able to turn on our power appliances and
Speaker 9: control them ourselves. Revolutionary concept as that was. As you say,
Speaker 9: people sign up to this. But this is my core
Speaker 9: problem with this new two tiered electricity system we have.
Speaker 9: I looked at the numbers a few months ago on
Speaker 9: this and invariably the people that are signing up to
Speaker 9: switch off or to allow the government to switch off
Speaker 9: their power bills are from the poorer suburbs, the outer
Speaker 9: suburban suburbs of Brisbane, those preceivingly those suburbs most activated
Speaker 9: by climate issues. In the inner city rich suburbs of
Speaker 9: Brisbane aren't signing up for a surprise, surprise. They're running
Speaker 9: the air conditioner like there's no tomorrow because they can
Speaker 9: afford to do so, of course, And the reason people
Speaker 9: are signing up to this is because our power bills
Speaker 9: have gotten so expensive and effectively forcing poor people to
Speaker 9: give away their rights to control the appliances in their
Speaker 9: own household. Why don't we return to a system where
Speaker 9: all austrain is equal. Why don't we have a system,
Speaker 9: a power system where everybody, as their birthright almost in
Speaker 9: this country, blessed with so much energy resources, can use
Speaker 9: energy equally and not have it just available for those
Speaker 9: that are.
Speaker 1: Well to do. Man, how does this work in the world.
Speaker 1: I get it. If somebody wants to be as light
Speaker 1: a footprint on the earth, fine, good luck to them.
Speaker 1: But the idea that some central office somewhere is turning
Speaker 1: down your econ firstly, it does nothing in terms of
Speaker 1: climate change. But secondly, isn't that an absolute endorsement about
Speaker 1: how unstable the greed is? Now?
Speaker 12: Look, it's an incredible story by John Rolf and congratulations
Speaker 12: to him for breaking it. I do think though, that
Speaker 12: Matt Canavan is writing calling out that the cost of
Speaker 12: energy bills are significant, But do you know what's going
Speaker 12: to drive them up is nuclear power? Is that hundreds
Speaker 12: of millions of dollars six hundred million dollar cost that
Speaker 12: the opposition has not yet accounted for in terms of
Speaker 12: where they're going to make cuts because of that policy.
Speaker 12: Renewables are the cheapest form of energy. We have aging
Speaker 12: COLDI have aging cold fire power stations that are coming
Speaker 12: to the end of their life, and these brown outs
Speaker 12: are the reasons why we're having to make cuts to
Speaker 12: people's ability to use power.
Speaker 10: That's just going to work.
Speaker 12: Factual truth. And you can denying that climate change is
Speaker 12: false until your dying day. I know you will. But
Speaker 12: the fact is Australians know the truth, they know the science,
Speaker 12: and the Alban Easy Labor government has been pursuing the
Speaker 12: best and cheapest way to make the energy transition to
Speaker 12: secure affordable energy and that'sbles. It costs six hundred million
Speaker 12: dollars for nuclear power and some of the sites that
Speaker 12: the coalition have proposed are in geologically unstable sites like
Speaker 12: in the Hunter in New Southwest.
Speaker 9: That's ridiculous campaign. I mean they're just asked you for
Speaker 9: a date and when.
Speaker 12: Is the renewal not dating you under any circumstances, Matt Canada, When.
Speaker 9: Are we going to get lower bills?
Speaker 1: Well, both of view.
Speaker 9: Science is about predictions, Lender, like, if you're going to
Speaker 9: trust the science, make a prediction, Chris Bowen did. He
Speaker 9: made a prediction that by now you'd have your power
Speaker 9: bill two hundred and seventy five dollars lower. That has
Speaker 9: not happened, and it has not happened.
Speaker 1: Anywhere in the world.
Speaker 9: We've been trying to do this now for more than
Speaker 9: a generation, countries around the world investing in soul and
Speaker 9: win power. Not a single nation that has done this,
Speaker 9: that has pursued this course, not Germany, not Denmark, not ourselves,
Speaker 9: not California, has left their citizens with lower energy bills
Speaker 9: as a consequence. It is a failed experiment, and the
Speaker 9: definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing
Speaker 9: even though it continues to fail time and time.
Speaker 1: And I will just say this, I just double checked
Speaker 1: with the national energy market. Right, nineteen percent of energy
Speaker 1: and queensine comes from renewables, right, And we're at a
Speaker 1: scenario where one hundred and two thousand people because as
Speaker 1: that transition costs the money and is not being firmed up,
Speaker 1: you end up with this silly scenario, which I honestly
Speaker 1: think is the reality for too many people, and they
Speaker 1: end up doing it because they find it to be
Speaker 1: the cheaper option. Now, in about less than two weeks
Speaker 1: is when the steel tariffs are going to kick in
Speaker 1: against Australia. I had thought that by now they were
Speaker 1: doing some sort of exemption for all the obvious reasons
Speaker 1: between Australia and the United States probably not going to happen.
Speaker 1: But Lindly, yours back from the United States.
Speaker 12: Well, look, we're both pretty jet lagged, aren't we.
Speaker 1: Paul.
Speaker 12: I got back over the weekend, as I know you did,
Speaker 12: but it was an incredibly interesting trip to be there
Speaker 12: as part of a contingent of Australia's superannuation funds representing
Speaker 12: billions of dollars in Australian workers retirement and talking to
Speaker 12: the US government, talking to the Treasury Secretary, talking to
Speaker 12: the Secretary of Commerce about the policies that the United
Speaker 12: States has not just for Australia but for many different
Speaker 12: advanced economies, their new foreign policy, and trying to understand
Speaker 12: what that means for how we invest in America right
Speaker 12: around the world, and of course Australian super funds are
Speaker 12: investing here in Australia a lot too. What was interesting
Speaker 12: I thought I was able to ask the Secretary of Treasury,
Speaker 12: the equivalent to the US Treasurer, a question about what
Speaker 12: he thought about our superannuation industry, and he was absolutely
Speaker 12: glowing with praise about it. He spoke about it as
Speaker 12: the fastest growing system of pension capital in the world.
Speaker 12: Soon to be the second largest, only after the US,
Speaker 12: and he spoke about its ability to be consistent and
Speaker 12: the compulsory nature where people superannuation contributions go to grow
Speaker 12: their retirement security as one of the best features. I
Speaker 12: thought that was a remarkable compliment to what has been
Speaker 12: for a very long time a strong bipartisan policy here
Speaker 12: in Australia too.
Speaker 1: Did you also say we should have the freedom of
Speaker 1: speech in their constitution like they have? Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: the Yeah, well, these systems, you know, if we're going
Speaker 1: to share, let's have their free speech stuff. All right, Matt, Linda,
Speaker 1: thank you. We'll get back to it all again next
Speaker 1: week after the break. The lady who does practice free
Speaker 1: speech and is a great reporter, one of our favorites
Speaker 1: nonether than an analyst Nielsen from the States. Next, as
Speaker 1: you know, every man and these dogs had something to
Speaker 1: say about the meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Zelensky
Speaker 1: late last week. But I've got to say, in real time,
Speaker 1: the best analysis of anything I saw in America, anything
Speaker 1: I read in Europe, was here on Sky News. The
Speaker 1: person presenting it in real time was our analyst Neilson.
Speaker 1: Analyst joins us now from Washington. I'm not just polishing
Speaker 1: you up because I'm buttering you up for a chat.
Speaker 1: It's because I thought, in real time, you got it right.
Speaker 1: In real time, you understood what was collapsing before our
Speaker 1: very eyes. And again, you've had a couple of days
Speaker 1: to think about these things. The reality is that people
Speaker 1: need to understand it's not crazy super magaworld that hates
Speaker 1: hates Ukraine and wants to give it over to Russia.
Speaker 1: It's that a country that is thirty three trillion dollars
Speaker 1: in debt had a twenty year war against Afghanistan and
Speaker 1: handed the keys back to the people who they were
Speaker 1: fighting with, as well as the Iraq. They are so
Speaker 1: done with it, so done with it that it was
Speaker 1: a major part of part of the coalition that got
Speaker 1: him there in the first place.
Speaker 7: Yeah, look, thank you. I appreciate the kind words. I
Speaker 7: think I was surprised last week how many people were surprised,
Speaker 7: And I think that was a lot of what fueled
Speaker 7: the analysis on the sky was that we've watched Donald
Speaker 7: Trump for a long time, and we're often accused by
Speaker 7: our critics of doing it with a fawning eye, but
Speaker 7: we do it with a realistic eye, and we do
Speaker 7: it by talking to real Americans. And so I knew
Speaker 7: that this was coming, and anyone who've been watching Donald
Speaker 7: Trump for years knew that this is exactly what he
Speaker 7: said he would do and he's doing it, and that
Speaker 7: there has been a real collapse in support among Republicans
Speaker 7: for just any money going overseas, And study after study
Speaker 7: will show you that normal Americans, and when you talk
Speaker 7: to them as well, they have a disproportionate idea of
Speaker 7: how much money they send overseas and how much of
Speaker 7: a problem it is for their budget, when the reality
Speaker 7: is it's Social Security is the big drain that they
Speaker 7: cannot afford. But they do have budget pain coming. They
Speaker 7: do need to have some big tax cuts through. Elon's
Speaker 7: obviously part of this whole plan, which I know everyone's
Speaker 7: losing their mind over Elon. From my perspective, I just
Speaker 7: think he's McKinsey. He's the consultant that's been brought in
Speaker 7: to just slash and burn so that the big guy
Speaker 7: at the top doesn't have to take responsibility, which I mean,
Speaker 7: it's terrible. I know a lot of people in DC
Speaker 7: who are losing their jobs. I know a lot of
Speaker 7: people that have had three different emails from three different
Speaker 7: levels of management telling them whether or not they need
Speaker 7: to send five things they did in the last week
Speaker 7: in an email. It's chaotic, it's stressful for people, but
Speaker 7: there's just that reality that it kind of had to
Speaker 7: be done. And then Paul, I guess the other thing
Speaker 7: I would say is, I know everyone's been talking about
Speaker 7: was it an ambush or not the office, And if
Speaker 7: you look at the last five minutes on its own
Speaker 7: of that Oval Office meeting, it looks like they just
Speaker 7: brought him in to tear him a new one. What
Speaker 7: you really need to do, if you want to have
Speaker 7: an opinion on this is watch the whole thing. Yes,
Speaker 7: because I think if you were to frame it as
Speaker 7: an ambush, the way to do that would be to
Speaker 7: say they gave this guy enough rope to hang himself
Speaker 7: because they knew what he'd been like behind the scenes,
Speaker 7: and they weren't going to help him curate a public
Speaker 7: image anymore. It suited them to let everyone see exactly
Speaker 7: what he was doing. And Trump said that at one
Speaker 7: point where he said, I'm glad everyone's seen this. I
Speaker 7: think that was the trap. And he not only walked
Speaker 7: into it, but participated in his own demises.
Speaker 1: Oh mate, he died bond right into it. Now. Also,
Speaker 1: something that you were absolutely covering in real time as
Speaker 1: a reporter in and around DC and the White House was,
Speaker 1: of course, the cognitive line of Joe Biden. Now, Jake
Speaker 1: Tapper works over at CNN. He's now written a book
Speaker 1: about all of this, but this is how he was
Speaker 1: really on the air at the time, Rolltope.
Speaker 4: I think what we see on stage with Joe Biden,
Speaker 4: Jake is very clearly a cognitive decline.
Speaker 13: That's what I'm referring to.
Speaker 4: It makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: You are.
Speaker 13: Think it's so amazing. It's so amazing to me that
Speaker 13: I try and figure out an answer cognitive decline.
Speaker 1: You're trying to.
Speaker 4: Tell me that what I was suggesting.
Speaker 13: Was I think that you were marking his study. Yeah,
Speaker 13: I think you were marking his stutter. And I think
Speaker 13: you have absolutely no standing to diagnose somebody's cognitive decline.
Speaker 1: Yet analysts that Block's got a book out the bulls
Speaker 1: the bulls to say he's got the inside word on
Speaker 1: what he denied.
Speaker 7: Oh and this is just the worst part of what
Speaker 7: so many DC journalists do is they hang on to
Speaker 7: information because they want to write a book later and
Speaker 7: they don't want to do the reporting.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 7: I cannot tell you how much flak I used to
Speaker 7: cop for my coverage, which in retrospect I wish I'd
Speaker 7: only gone harder because it was so obvious. And the
Speaker 7: two obvious things were not just the cognitive decline we
Speaker 7: will watching, it was the protection racket around him that
Speaker 7: they were given so little access, and I would say
Speaker 7: time and again we see the least of Joe Biden
Speaker 7: of any president, and looks like they have something to hide. Well,
Speaker 7: guess what, it was pretty obvious. We all knew it,
Speaker 7: and this isn't going to fly with people. The media
Speaker 7: has changed too much. There are too many options. They
Speaker 7: can't get away with this kind of stuff. And that's
Speaker 7: why I trust in the media right now are so low.
Speaker 7: That's why Caroline Love it's doing a pretty good job
Speaker 7: and getting some pretty good feedback on doing a complete
Speaker 7: reset in the One House press office.
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