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Speaker 1: we're going we're going to leave that story and that

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Speaker 3: No, no for manly play be filthy. Even though he's

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Speaker 2: Mate, Thanks Mattie, Thanks coops.

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Speaker 3: First Leap Pup be come as a surprise, Michael Clark,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, came as a massive surprise, actually, Maddie on the program.

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Speaker 2: But he's got a lot going on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's sports on and off of Big Sports Breakfast.

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Speaker 2: So Big Sports Breakfast. Yeah, announced that he was stepping down.

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Speaker 2: He's a guy that we've had great fun with and

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Speaker 3: Well what lost when he got appointed? Like you and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some popped up someone's doing on social media things

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Speaker 2: Loses Lock, Yeah, losses Lock. That was a beauty Mate.

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Speaker 1: But just before I can't wait for a pregame of

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Speaker 2: Mate.

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Speaker 3: Playing against a great Queensland side.

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Speaker 2: State of origin will be a breeze. So first game

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Speaker 3: I wasn't think goalkicked. I remember I remember probably two

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Speaker 2: One else that's kicked. There was no one else in

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Speaker 2: And I went right head, So you were fresh? Oh, no, worries,

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Speaker 2: I don't feel confident doing that Jack, and he goes, well,

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Speaker 2: I want you to practice it at training. So I

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Speaker 2: Deliberately did it, but no, I just didn't feel comfortable

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Speaker 3: That I remember that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you didn't tap the ball as such, you

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Speaker 1: Were you a part of This might have been earlier,

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Speaker 2: jewel just well not really. I think the idea behind

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Speaker 2: you'd get into the jewel that who was going to

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Speaker 2: blink first? You know, we said we were going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the bow tie. Like I hate bow

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Speaker 3: ties and don't with purpose they sell, but yeah they

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Speaker 3: well just keep doing it, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: In the well, No, I don't think that I don't

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Speaker 1: see the correlation in that reference at all, not at all.

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Speaker 2: But what I will say is talking about.

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Speaker 1: Coaches thinking left of center. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: remember this. Twenty and twenty three, Manly were playing Penrith

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Speaker 1: Seeds come you know what, the method to this madness.

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Speaker 1: It actually made sense, but it was like, let's think

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Speaker 1: What we'll do is Dylan edwel will take it. He'll

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Speaker 1: be a bit tired. Ruben Garrick was playing fullback on

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Speaker 1: in score. And it worked at training, because of course

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Speaker 2: Everyone sort of got on board.

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Speaker 1: Get out there, Gaz gets it, now's your time.

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Speaker 2: Sarby kicks it.

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Speaker 1: Little did they know Tillon Edwards is the fittest fullback

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Speaker 1: Taruva and everybody was off side because they were in

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: I remember, I remember getting so convoluted that you guys

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Speaker 3: what That just an example of how sometimes people will

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Speaker 4: I can.

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Speaker 2: Understand that because coaches think weirdly sometimes about what they

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Speaker 2: sort of didn't get hold of it. Put us under

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Speaker 2: he came up with sens he were playing every time,

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Speaker 2: he's playing Norse in the yard because I had the

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Speaker 2: to dive on it. When he dives on it. We

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Speaker 2: that was the sort of little theory that he had,

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Speaker 2: and he reckons if you did it a couple of times,

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Speaker 2: he'd be a little bit wary of going down on

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Speaker 2: how little things like that you did back then, but

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Speaker 3: Used to complate Newcastle and me and Joey. They used

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Speaker 3: to get me and Joey when we were just playing

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Speaker 3: another thing. One day, the first Crab were playing St.

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Speaker 3: George and they had Martin Fire and Richie Wolford on

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Speaker 3: before and just basically turn the ten meter corridors into

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Speaker 3: or because you used to just be able to do that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they did that the Raiders did in Canberra.

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Speaker 2: They used to not so much the ground, but they

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Speaker 2: and that before they aren't. There be no hot water

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Speaker 2: and it'd be cold, and then they'd be talking about

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Speaker 3: The other one you used to do too. It was

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Speaker 3: put to create of flavored milk. Remember the green reck

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Speaker 3: just had Raiders' milk and it was green. I used

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Speaker 1: What about going back to Origin for a sec. Who

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Speaker 1: were some of the leaders you played within that side?

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Speaker 1: Because you spoke about playing against Wally and Mailburn. Who

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Speaker 2: The first team that I ever played in it was

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Speaker 2: Chris Mortimer. Ye, he was there. What a player to

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Speaker 2: play with, just protected you so well, you know, like

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Speaker 2: really had your back. One of the toughest players to

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Speaker 2: ever play. It was a news side as well because

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Speaker 2: Jack picked a lot of guys that were young.

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Speaker 3: And he so he left out memory was an unusual song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he left out blokes like Blocker zero. They were

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Speaker 2: Johnny Cartwright, Alan wig lydie MG. Yeah, there was a

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Speaker 2: number of young blokes that got an opportunity to play,

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Speaker 2: so there wasn't a lot of experience in that vers side,

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Speaker 2: but Chris Morten was one of them. Mike O'Connor was, yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's see what it shows you how quickly like the

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Speaker 2: you know, that Origin series or during that time up

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Speaker 3: I put you in good stead because you both going

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Speaker 3: to win that incredible Grand Final, get more and more experience.

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Speaker 3: I remember nineteen ninety, you know, you moved to six

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Speaker 3: and you play that breakout game City Country with the

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Speaker 3: best player on the field by mild and you go

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Speaker 3: into State of Origin at that point, yourself, Ricky Bradley

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Speaker 3: Clyde at the core of the New South Wales side,

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Speaker 3: that we'd go and have success for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was the thing Mattie too. I think

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Speaker 2: that because I didn't really play well in that first series.

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Speaker 2: I was disappointed in how I played, and I always thought, jeez,

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Speaker 2: if I get another chance, I'll handle this a lot

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Speaker 2: better than what I did this time around. I think

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Speaker 2: I just took it for granted that I would be

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Speaker 2: me a listen, So I think that was a good

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Speaker 2: thing early on, but then we went back to the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: I think that helped inspire us to be better towards

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Speaker 2: had plenty of talent, but we just needed to work on,

438
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,479
Speaker 2: you know, not being as brashes what we were off

439
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 2: the field, because you know, when you're young, you're having

440
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 2: a good time. You know, football sometimes become secondary because

441
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: you're wanting to go out and you wanted to get

442
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 2: on the drink and have a good time.

443
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: That was I'd imagine Canberra would be a lot like

444
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: how people talk about the Storm, where like not everyone's

445
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: from Melbourne, so they it's a very tight group and

446
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: you probably resort more to like social social drinking to

447
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: bond because I like that a camera.

448
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, if everyone you know, because a lot of people

449
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 2: weren't from Cambra, so you go there and you mix well.

450
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 2: And if everyone's going out for coffee or one by

451
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: sound for coffee, twenty bokes a one by down for

452
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 2: a beer, two bokes down for a beer, ten to fifteen,

453
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: but brokes go so you have that real togetherness and

454
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 2: connection and I think that's one of the reasons why

455
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 2: they do have successful teams like Melbourne canbra during during

456
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: that period, but we also had the strong leaders there,

457
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 2: so you know, guys like Mail was such a big

458
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: influence Dean Lance, Gary Belchers, because if you were going

459
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: too far one way, they'd pull you aside and then

460
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 2: they'd sort of put it on you. Yeah, mate, put

461
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 2: your head in, but they'd let you go to a

462
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: certain degree because I knew, you know, you want to

463
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: have a bit of fun. That was all cool, but

464
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: if you were going too far and taking advantage of that,

465
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: then they'd put you back into line pretty quickly. But

466
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 2: to get back to your point, Mattie, I think that

467
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: sort of helped inspire us. The fact that we didn't

468
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: sort of play well at original level got ourselves in

469
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,479
Speaker 2: an opportunity to win a Grand Final, which we did.

470
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: That gave us confidence and then we trained hard in

471
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: the end of the nine ninety preseason. Going into nine

472
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: ninety we trained as well as we've ever had, I

473
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: think myself. Clyde Lazo Ricky, I think that was the

474
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 2: best year probably probably we ever had as a training

475
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: group because we understood then if we wanted to get

476
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 2: the best out of our career, this is the path

477
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: we had to go down. This is how we had

478
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: to train, and that that helped set us up for

479
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: the rest of our career.

480
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: The Raiders were the first team you know, explained that

481
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: Cooper that really trained speed and power by you blokes,

482
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: and that's what really separated, Like you play camera and

483
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 3: they just like bash it, thus somewmuch stronger power lifting it.

484
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 3: In fact, to the point after won the Grand Final,

485
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: remember Soons, he brought out that training video, the Winning

486
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: Ways of Rugby League, and I remember as the Knights,

487
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: we sat down and watched this two hour documentary on

488
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 3: the Raiders training and how they trained and how they

489
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 3: were changing football.

490
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: Tim was before his time because you know how you

491
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: you know, you get your videos. You can go in

492
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: and get your analyzed and just cut to whatever you

493
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: want to look at straight away. So Tim would cut

494
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: tape on your performance on the weekend, and he do

495
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: that for every player. So he'd also voiceover on the video,

496
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: so it's a VHS. He'd hand it to you on

497
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: the Tuesday about your game and what you did, and

498
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: he'd also have a camera on two players that week

499
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 2: during that game, but you wouldn't know who it was.

500
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: And it's embarrassing when you get that tape, because you

501
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: can't believe the amount of walking that you actually do

502
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: during a game. So he don't have a look at that, mate,

503
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 2: and give me your feedback. So he do things like that,

504
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: and at times he would put it up on the

505
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: screen so he'd show so and you'd be embarrassed because

506
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: you're just waiting for it and you're just looking, and

507
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: you'd be gone, oh, jeez, I can't believe I was walking.

508
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,479
Speaker 2: I didn't think I walked during a game, but when

509
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: you got the videotape, you actually realized, geez, you do

510
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: a lot more walking.

511
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: I think it's the worst anxiety in the world, is

512
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: that where you go into a video session, you just

513
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: go like you see your name on the clips or something. Obviously,

514
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: back in those days when probably not everything is as

515
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: pleased because there's not they didn't have the technology. But

516
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: I remember, like when I first went into first game,

517
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: there was cameras everywhere, and I would make an error

518
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: or do something small, or walk for half a second

519
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: before I reacted. I remember the rest of the sess,

520
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: I'd be sitting there just going, jeez, I hope BELLI

521
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: doesn't pick that up. Up in video always would always

522
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: would have just BEJ. He'd always put CJ, question.

523
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: Mark w T S.

524
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: And that's that's when you know you had a negative

525
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: clip because everything would just be like G for good.

526
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: It was so simplified. But then you just knew you

527
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 2: could go through and see who had the ship clips

528
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 2: all the Oh, there's nothing worse when you know it's

529
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: coming and you deserve it. And he usually tipped you

530
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: up too. He'd pull you aside and so mate. Your

531
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: game on the weekend wasn't great. I got a few

532
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: clips in here, but you used to hate it the

533
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: later it was played, you know what I mean? Because

534
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: I would have rather walked into the meeting and the

535
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: first four clips were of me doing something wrong, you know,

536
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: and get it off and you can concentrate and watch

537
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: everyone else's and then start taking the piece out of there,

538
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: you know, and deflect. But when you know it's coming,

539
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: you're sitting there and I also reckon when you leave

540
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: the room, that's the last thing that people remember, it

541
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: is your clips. They're laughing and up and all that.

542
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: What's the whole game? Sometimes? Remember it was they just

543
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 3: put the video in just right play and particularly when

544
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 3: you've done something stupid, the game on the line at

545
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: the seventy seventh minute, because you're sitting there through the

546
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: two hours to take and I'm telling you now, it

547
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: wasn't the age of player welfare. It was humiliation and embarrassment.

548
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: Wasn't they just go They'd pause and just turn to you,

549
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 3: just unload on you, then ask all the other players

550
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 3: what they thought of you, and then play on.

551
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: I don't know whether it happened now, I'm assuming it would.

552
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: You'd be able to tell me, coops, but it matter you.

553
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: You would have come across this in your time. You've

554
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: always got one in the group that just wants to

555
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 2: ask a question and actually to make with the coach. Wrong, wrong,

556
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: And this is what I thought I was doing, and

557
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: I thought this was the correct decision for the team,

558
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: and the coach would explain, no, mate, no, no, no.

559
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: I don't know where you've got that from, but these

560
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: are the systems and principles we've had for the last

561
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: ten years.

562
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 3: And they still keep arguing and everyone's shut up, shut up,

563
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: take your medicine, just cop it.

564
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: And you just always had one, and you'd just be there, mate,

565
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: Just we want to get out of him.

566
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 3: We're watching two hours of videote. When I used to

567
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: get put with Adrian Brank, a good bloke, archie playing

568
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: the center's nice to defend inside him. Every time he's

569
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: stuffed up, they go, Archie, what'll be you thinking there?

570
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: And every single time he's mad, he wasn't communicating on

571
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: the inside, and I'll be like, is that true? And

572
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: I go, look, I think I did you thought you did?

573
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: Or did you don't wan to throw him under the bus,

574
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: even though he's thrown me under the mate.

575
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: It was just so I felt embarrassed for that part,

576
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: because they'd be there arguing and talking about it, and

577
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: even like players that were defending near them or heard them,

578
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: they'd be so, mate, that's a lie again, lying and

579
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: making that up. And then you get to a stage

580
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: where one of the senior players we just get mate,

581
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: shut up. Mate.

582
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: Cheese just used to do it.

583
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: Brandon Smith used to do it just like everybody knew

584
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: he was doing it to piss belli Ac off, so

585
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: he would genuinely know like I messed up there, but

586
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: he'd go, oh, I thought it was like, you know,

587
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: why did you take a why'd you take a dummy? Here?

588
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: Cheese. Why did you give up your inside shoulder?

589
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: And he go, oh, I just thought like the ball

590
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: kind of half left his hand, so I thought I

591
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: could slide up and he go, oh, well that's stupid, and.

592
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: Then he go yeah, and the marker inside me he

593
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: told me to go and he goes, well, that's not

594
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: in our system.

595
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: And then he just kept just wouldn't. But everything he

596
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 3: said actually made sense.

597
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: He justified in a way where Bellier could be up

598
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: there sort of thinking like, oh, you know, maybe you

599
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: go we'll just fucking just fucking don't take it.

600
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: Before we talk eventually were there about your appointment and

601
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 3: what's up in the next twelve months. But some of

602
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: the coaches just but you've had you've been cached point

603
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: o level, Gus Chensy, you're coached by Jack. As we

604
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: said for Jack Gibson, remember when we're coached by Tommy

605
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: tom rodonogues. How entertaining it was. Let's two at the time. Ever,

606
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: the defensive pattern that.

607
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: Was so good.

608
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: So Tommy, I don't know whether he coached a lot

609
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: of the players before, but we were telling them about Tommy.

610
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: He's very special as a coach because you want to

611
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: play for him. He's just a guy that brings you

612
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: together and you just want to play play for him.

613
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: So we get to the training this day and we're

614
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: doing these defensive drills and the defense was just go

615
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: up and hit the pads. Tommy's just gone just go

616
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: and bash them, just bash them. Anyhow. We get down

617
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: the other end, I have to do on some ballwork

618
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: and the boys are going lis, we actually don't understand

619
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: what Tommy means with the defense, what the system is

620
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: going to do. I said, what do you mean? And

621
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: he goes, well, all he wants us to do is

622
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: just bash the just go up and smashing and smash him,

623
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: just bash him. I said, that's all right. I said,

624
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: what I'll do, I'll talk to Tommy tonight and by

625
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning we'll have it all sorted. So I speak

626
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: to Tommy after the after the training says and I said, oh, Tommy,

627
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: he has what do you want? Dale's for any blake

628
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: that calls me Dales fresh, What do you want Dales?

629
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: I said, Oh, Tommy, the boys are a little bit

630
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: worry about the way we're going to defend. Heyes, what

631
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: do you mean? And I said, oh, I mate, some

632
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: players are coming from different systems, you know, went up

633
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: and out or up and InStyle the system under their coaches.

634
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: And he goes, tell me more about them. I said, well,

635
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: you know, I said, you know, most teams are sort

636
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: of just working on the principle they move forward some

637
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: while ever the balls on their inside, this is the

638
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: easiest way to explain it. Well, ever, the balls on

639
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: the inside they just stay square and once the ball

640
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: goes past them, I sort of start then to drift out.

641
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: Or you can have this up and in defense that

642
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: you would have played when you were playing at West

643
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: and New Town under under Warren, and you know, you

644
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: leave the winger and you just put pressure on the

645
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: on the players on the inside, you know, and you

646
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: just move up really quickly and stop them from shifting

647
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: the board. And he goes, I love them. I love them.

648
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: I said, all right.

649
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: I said, well, what do you want to do and

650
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: he said, I'll think about overnight. I said, so I

651
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: saw him a breakfast. I said, what do you think

652
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: about that defense, Tommy? He said, yeah, I got it, sweet,

653
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: he said, I know what we're doing. He said, I

654
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: let the boys call them over. I said, call them, mate,

655
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: and he'll just do it. When we get the training,

656
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: goes yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good good, good call does

657
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: so you get the training, boys. I had a yarnder

658
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: Dales last night and he told me, you're a little

659
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: bit concerned about our defense. He said, I had no concerns,

660
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: but I'll take it all on board. He said, so

661
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: you didn't want to go up and bash them, So

662
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: this is what we've decided to do. He said, We're

663
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: gonna go up, we're gonna go in, we're gonna go sliding,

664
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna bash it.

665
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: And we're gonna give it to him. What are the

666
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: time we're in the we're in the room once he

667
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: goes right, I'm gonna have this is ninety eight gone

668
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: to the deciding game. And Tommy goes right, everyone in

669
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: the room five thirty and when they're going to keep

670
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: their ass. So we're all sitting there at five point

671
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: thirty five forty five. Anyway, he comes rushing about twenty

672
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: minutes later, and I won't say what he said he

673
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: was up to anyway, but he gets there and he goes, oh,

674
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: oh jeez, what if another game plan? Oh no, what

675
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: have I done? He said, I know where it is

676
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 3: and pulled out like a smokes packet, opens it up

677
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: and gun, he's just going up like Chief's face guard.

678
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 3: Promise me, promise me, you're gonna bash them. Then goes

679
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: to Laza, promise me, promise me, you're going to smash them,

680
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: and goes right up. We're ready to go. Let's go.

681
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: There was another one. We said, oh, Tommy, can we

682
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: do a bit of video on a couple of plays video?

683
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: He said, don't worry about that. I'll bring some video in.

684
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: He comes in. It's got one of Alf's games from

685
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: the Broncos. Anyhow, he's playing all this stuff and he's

686
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: fast forward. Alf's doing all this wonderful stuff, and he said, well,

687
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: you're gonna bash him. He said, he's made of mine,

688
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: but we're gonna bash him. Were you just going to

689
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: get into lay out? We're gonna smash him. And then

690
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: we finished the video. He said right out the train

691
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 2: and one of the blokes goes, Tommy, that's good mate.

692
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: But Alf's not playing in this origin. He said, well

693
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: he might be there in game two.

694
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 3: What about telling me coeps This morning in one of

695
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: the camps he brought he brought his assistant case.

696
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 2: That would have been the country one. Yeah, the country,

697
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: the country.

698
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: So in this countryside you've got blakes like you've got Ricky,

699
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: you know, you've got Loss, You've got Brett, Brett Mullins.

700
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: It was star started line up your city versus country.

701
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 3: It was the stepping stones of the state of origin.

702
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: And you got Laso chief and as you know, Laso,

703
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: big crinantankerous blake, like just stroller. I mean he's the

704
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: best front round in the world to just stroll around

705
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 3: train and just wouldn't say everyone was terrified of him,

706
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: Like we used to go down if you were if

707
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: you had to ruin with Laso, it was like just

708
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: fate worse than death. Just yeah, we just yeah, just

709
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: mean dog.

710
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

711
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 3: It was just that was it. Anyway. So we're gonna

712
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: do a bit of ball ballwork. Anyway, Tommy's mate from

713
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: West mate fear to say Philly and and let's face

714
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: pretty ordering coach, right, So he goes, right, we're going

715
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: to do some more and he and he kicks it down,

716
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 3: ball goes to might have been to Joey or Ricky

717
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 3: and they just hand the ball to Lazzo. Lazzo strolls

718
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: up sort of goes band Yester pad just plays the ball.

719
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 3: Just whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Stop it right there, mate,

720
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: that's not how you play the ball. And I'm going

721
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: this is gonna be brilliant. I'll show you how to

722
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: play the ball. You get down, you swing your leg over.

723
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: He just stood up and as I just goes, god,

724
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: oh god.

725
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about ask both of you guys this, because

726
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: you've coached State of Origin already, but how did the

727
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: bonding nights back in back in the nineties, defer to

728
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: the bonding nights that you've had like that you've coached.

729
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: They certainly have changed. I can remember Origin was three

730
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: nights of just getting on the drink and then you'd

731
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: come home and then the coach would say, yep, we

732
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: all sweet, we're all together, and if you're not, we're

733
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: going back out. And it was like, what do you mean.

734
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: He said, if you don't love each other, we're going

735
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: back out in the drink because we're going to love

736
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 2: each other before we go to battle. So same Blake's

737
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: in the end of the game, Yeah, we love each other.

738
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: Just to stop them from going everything, it.

739
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: Was the coach like the player just had to pull

740
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: the pin up. It's just not the way we prepare

741
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: it just be remember the one with the pub golf.

742
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: Oh, they had this game where you go around the rocks.

743
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: So you'd have all these pubs and you'd have to

744
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: have like two beers.

745
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 3: Each pub had a part.

746
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: It was like you got to be past three three

747
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: beers and that was sort of a bonding session when

748
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: you first came in. It was they've set up this

749
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: course and if you got to fifteen under with the

750
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: with the schooners or the middies or whatever were drinking,

751
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: then you were the champion. That was the record that

752
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: you had to beat. But you had to have certain

753
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: amount of beers at each pub. But some bikes started

754
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: to in the end like go to the first part.

755
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: It was a part two the four or five beers

756
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: into trying to get under. Then they gave the next pub.

757
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: We had four or five. After about an hour and

758
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: a half they couldn't move.

759
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: By Tibby wants Craig Salvatory was about like sixteen under

760
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: after four pubs and then just basically collapsed.

761
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: He should have laughed, but it was just the way

762
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: thing it was.

763
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 3: Gus you like she stood the singing around the piano

764
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: at the end of the night. So gus to get

765
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,959
Speaker 3: a run around, get a blake to play the piano.

766
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: Everyone just have sing alongs imagine now going right on,

767
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 3: Nathan run boys, Jerome Lewie, come on over here, boys,

768
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 3: Reese Robson, come on little link together up town girl.

769
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: Well that was the great Johnny ral.

770
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 3: We went to the So John Rolls is like Australia

771
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: New Zealand's version a lot of ways of like a

772
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: Tom Jones type performer, cabaret performer and really theatrical. Go

773
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 3: into this bar anyway. John Rowles is playing there and

774
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: he spots the team and goes right and goes over

775
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: and has a bit of a chat to Laurie, gets

776
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 3: back on the mic front of all the crowd, goes, well,

777
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: everyone want to welcome the new South Wales Blues. And

778
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: I've been over there talking to the captain and a

779
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: great made of mind. Come on see it, mister Warren

780
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: Daily so good and everyone that's what they called me

781
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 3: now and the Warren lost. We've got here the origin

782
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: coach appointment this time around? How does it feel compared

783
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 3: to twenty fourteen?

784
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,479
Speaker 2: Very calm, obviously, very excited. Never thought that I would

785
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: have the opportunity to gain really excited about working with

786
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: a group of players that we have at our disposal.

787
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: I got some of the best players in the world

788
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: and what they were able to do last year was

789
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: something very special. They connected so well. That was a

790
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: thing that stood out to me. Madge was terrific. Really

791
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: got the state on board, which I think was very

792
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: impressive and something that the players felt personally this time around.

793
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: Eager to get started. No, it will be a lot better. No,

794
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: there's a lot more in this team, and I know

795
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: that the coaching group, the coaching staff, the setup that

796
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: we've got is very excited and get the best out in.

797
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 3: Because you coach five series, I asked Koopy yessy, So

798
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: how many do you think, Lori kachh You went two,

799
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 3: I went I thought three and up being five.

800
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, five yeah, And we were doing a forty percent

801
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: win rate against a state of origin Queensland side that

802
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: was it was one of the best site dominant and

803
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: one of the best arguably.

804
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: The best origin side in history. In a team and

805
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: this is not being unfair, but in a team in

806
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 3: those five years, you didn't have any settled half combination

807
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: at all.

808
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: No, No, we didn't, and it was something that we

809
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: always found a challenge was to get that right spine together.

810
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: And in two thousand and fourteen when we won, Jared

811
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: Ham was the best player in the game. He was

812
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: the best player in the game. And then after that

813
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: series he decided to go and go to another challenge

814
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: and play in the NFL, so we lost that key

815
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: player that was so brilliant for us in that series.

816
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: The other thing about State of Origin small margins. There's

817
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: not much between both sides. And I know that. You know,

818
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 2: we didn't have the great ratio of wins when it

819
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: comes to series wins, but there was four games that

820
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: was decided by less than seven points in total. Yeah,

821
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: so that's a small margin. So that's a game like

822
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: losing by one, losing by two, and that happened in

823
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: four games. So there's not much between and if you

824
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: get a bit of luck, things can work.

825
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: And the players that won those games for him, the

826
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: Cameron Smith first with Cooper Crime.

827
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: You look at the spine. Those spines they contain you

828
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: know people, you know, I mean Slater, You've got English occasion,

829
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: we go back there. You've got Dally try Evans, you've

830
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,479
Speaker 3: got Jonathan Thurston. You've got Cooper Currunk coming through the ranks.

831
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: You've got Cameron Smith. That series you won from memory

832
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: with the Harvest combination, Trent Hodginson and Josh Ran Yeah,

833
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: you know that's that's like, that's a great coaching achievement

834
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: to beat that, to beat that Queensland side with the

835
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: spine we had. Yeah, and those two guys were terrific,

836
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 3: and we obviously got a little bit of criticism when

837
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: we first selected those guys, and one thing I really

838
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 3: wanted to do was to be able to have the

839
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 3: players trust them that under pressure, they could deliver.

840
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: So one thing that we decided to do in that

841
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: series was to get them from the get go to

842
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: run our attacking meetings, so make sure that they were

843
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: well prepared going into those go through them with the

844
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: video and the style we wanted to play. But instead

845
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: of me getting up and presenting, I got them up

846
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: to present because I knew that the players in the

847
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: group needed to trust them and believe in them. And

848
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: obviously they grew as the series went on and grew

849
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: with every session, and I reckon that brought the best

850
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: out in them, but it also brought the best out

851
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 2: of the players in terms of believing. So the leaders

852
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: like gal Luki Lewis, all those experienced guys were comfortable

853
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: in the knowledge that, hey, if things go wrong out here,

854
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: these two will get us back on track. And we

855
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 2: didn't have a game plan as such that we were

856
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 2: going to be expansive with the football and we weren't

857
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: going to try and outscore Queensland. But one thing we

858
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: didn't want to do was be outworked. And that was

859
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: our mancha throughout that whole series was if we're going

860
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 2: to get beaten, we'll get beaten by a better team,

861
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: but it won't be on effort. It could be on talent,

862
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: but one thing is we're not going to get out worked,

863
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: and that's what we did. Well.

864
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: What I've seen was I was going to ask you

865
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: the question the toll it takes on coaches, state of origin,

866
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: and one pattern I've soon emerges a coach. I think

867
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 3: the toll. You start to see the toll on a

868
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: coach by the third year. That's sort of what I've

869
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: seen a couple of examples that, like you're seeing it

870
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: with Freddie. You know, first couple of series, everything is

871
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: sort of like third series, you even seen sort of

872
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: with Billy. We're first couple of series and then the

873
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 3: third series last year you see a couple of magic

874
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 3: comments got under his skin and he was just more irritable.

875
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: But I've seen it years gone by, when when coach,

876
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 3: when Gus was coaching, and so on and so forth.

877
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: It just seems by the time that third series comes around,

878
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: you start to see a serious toll on the with

879
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: the pressure.

880
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair point, Mattie, And I think it's

881
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: all consuming state of origin. You can't get away from it,

882
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: like everyone wants to talk to you about it. The

883
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: only place you'd probably find solace is at home. But

884
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: even then, you know, if the kids friends come around, they're.

885
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: Asking your questions, Well you are sole neighbors. Yeah, I've

886
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: got one of them, I've got twenty.

887
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, it does. And everyone takes a position of

888
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: state of origin. So regardless of whether you're New South

889
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: Wales or a Queenslander. You might be living in w A,

890
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: you might be living in Victoria. But everyone watches state

891
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: of Origin, and everyone has a position either New South

892
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 2: Wales or they hate New South Wales or love Queensland.

893
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: And every media outlet wants to cover it, so you

894
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 2: can't get away from it.

895
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: It's criticized, it's so highly Yeah.

896
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: And every decision that you make is scrutinized, and that's fair,

897
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 2: but it seems like there's more and more of it,

898
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: and you've got to try and shield yourself from that

899
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: so you don't get influenced by a lot of the

900
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: things that are being said. You've got to stick to

901
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: what you know works. You've got to stick to the

902
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: people that you trust, and that's your assistance and advisors,

903
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: and believe in the path that you've you're going down

904
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: and the path that you've set, because I think we've

905
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: all been there when you when you start chopping and

906
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: changing and you're inconsistent with your messaging, the playing group

907
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: pick it up straight away and they start to doubt you.

908
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 2: So you've got to be careful that you believe in

909
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: what you're doing. You stick to the process of how

910
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: you want to go about it and follow that through

911
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: because and and a lot of the time your gut

912
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: tells you to do that, but sometimes you might be

913
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: swayed to go in another direction. And what I found

914
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: as a coach, if I've ever been swayed to go

915
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: in another direction and it doesn't work. I'm filthy with myself.

916
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: Filthy with myself.

917
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 3: I imagine sometimes Laurie, with selections in particular, you sit

918
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 3: there and you go you have to probably discipline yourself

919
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: to say, I am going to pick the person who

920
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: I think is going to be best for this team

921
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: and how I want to play, compared to the player

922
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: who will who will receive less criticism in selecting.

923
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's that's so true, Mattie. I

924
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: think that you have a system in mind, and you

925
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 2: have a style of player that you want to see

926
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: playing that game. I think a big one though too.

927
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: And and I watch what New South Wales did last year.

928
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 2: They did pick players that were informed. And I know

929
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: that we've always had this pick and thick, pick and

930
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: stick theory, and sometimes we tend to pick those players.

931
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 2: But I think you've got to go with people that

932
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: are that are that are playing well and.

933
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: And particularly coming off losing series. Oftentimes we've had that

934
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: pick and stick while we're changing the side, so because

935
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: we've lost three series in a row.

936
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: But even you know yourself when you're a player and

937
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: you know you might be playing with one of the

938
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: best players in the world. But they've had a month

939
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: of playing poor footy.

940
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: You know that.

941
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: As a teammate, you're like, oh, he's out of form.

942
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: If you get a player, you.

943
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: Know who might be a big name, but you pick

944
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: him because people are scrutinizing that selection. The players in

945
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: camp feel that too, They're like, oh, you know, he's

946
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: not really playing that, he's not in good fa No.

947
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: So I think that's one one thing that I will

948
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 2: do his pick players on a form, but also pick

949
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: players that I know will play the way we want

950
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: to play. They'll suit our style. Now I don't know

951
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: whether that will cause drama or not, but one thing

952
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: I will do is I'll pick players that deserve to

953
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: be there.

954
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: Well, it's so different this series. Well yeah, this series

955
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 3: which will come up in a few months time, six

956
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: months compared to like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, and they're serious.

957
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: And the fact that if we talk about the halves

958
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: that you know, the steering wheel for the team, oftentimes

959
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: you were going, right, who we're going to pick here,

960
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 3: you know, because it was slim, slim pickings. You know,

961
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: we didn't have a lot of harms here this year.

962
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 3: By the time state of origin comes around. The three

963
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 3: best players in the competition could very well be Jerome Lewai,

964
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: Nathan Cleary and Mitchell Moses. I mean, that's that's a

965
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 3: big decision.

966
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 2: It will be because I think what Mitch showed everyone

967
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: last year was that he belongs on that stage. And

968
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: we all know how well Nathan is, what he's produced

969
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: over the last four or five years. And then Jerome,

970
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: who's a specialist six, possibly will be playing seven for

971
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: the Tigers this year and what role he'll play there.

972
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: But I thought he was enormous in Game three for

973
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: New South Wales. So if all those players are fit,

974
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 2: it'll be a hard selection to have. But I know

975
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 2: I'd rather have that problem, of course, than a problem

976
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 2: of Jews who are going to play as a seven.

977
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: They all have different strengths and they all have different abilities,

978
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: and Nathan obviously wasn't there last year, but I was

979
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: very impressed with how Mitch took control of the game

980
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: and he was able to have an impacted key moments.

981
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 2: And I think I always speak about a true origin

982
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: game comes down to the last twenty minutes. That's that's

983
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: a true origin game. The games where you get blown

984
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: away or you know whatever. That to me, that's not

985
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: an origin game because you've got to go in there

986
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: thinking that it's going to come down the last moment

987
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: and anything else happens before that. Okay, but you've got

988
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 2: to have some bullets to fire at the end of

989
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: the game as a key position player.

990
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 3: And he had that line, Oh, that's just something lost.

991
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: Can you coach that? Can you give someone that belief?

992
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 3: Just something inside of it? I remember Chief in nineteen

993
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 3: ninety two, ninety actually it was nineteen ninety four. You

994
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: had beaten Queensland in Sydney in a really tight game,

995
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: just got to try late. And I remember the next

996
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 3: day we went to Sizzler, because that's what winners. You

997
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 3: went to Sizzler to take a part state of Origin.

998
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 3: And there was myself and Adam Muir and Chief was there,

999
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 3: and the Chief had played on the game the night

1000
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: before and we're talking and you know, I said, were

1001
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 3: confident in those closing stage? Was really really, really tight?

1002
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: And he said, I was confident because we had Lorry.

1003
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: So like, what was it inside ut laws? When the

1004
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 3: game was really tight? Important game, you're the skipper and

1005
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 3: they need something.

1006
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: Sort of an amazing madio. You guys would all have

1007
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: had it as well. I never ever thought I was

1008
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: beat mhm never never, never once do you go right

1009
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: here in a in a tight gu So I just

1010
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: paused this.

1011
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 3: You just said that you thought Cooper had that feeling

1012
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 3: they'd never been beat. That's that's hilarious. That one up.

1013
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: Completely true. In a tight game, you never think you're

1014
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: going to get raped because you always believe that you

1015
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 2: can do the impossible and and as a player, that's

1016
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: what you want. And that's what a big game player

1017
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: is to me, is that when the game is there

1018
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: to be won, you're not afraid to go and chase it.

1019
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's some people that might be afraid

1020
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 2: because they're worried about what the outcome may be, whereas

1021
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: if if you're a real go getter and and you're

1022
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: confident in your own ability, you'll go give it to me.

1023
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: I want the ball. I know, I know I can

1024
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: do something here. And you look around the competition and

1025
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: there's there's there's players like that, and it's a great

1026
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: trait to have. And you know, you always talk about, yeah,

1027
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 2: the greatest sportsman of all time or one of them,

1028
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: you know, Michael Jordan you know, like he just wanted

1029
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: the ball in his hand the death. You're not always

1030
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 2: going to get it right and you're not always going

1031
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: to win, but that's the mindset you have.

1032
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 3: Let's remember we had a quote where he said I

1033
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: probably missed more than I got the game on the

1034
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: line oftentimes. He said, you know, but I wanted the ball,

1035
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 3: which you know, we go back to that predicament. Just said, like,

1036
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 3: Mitchell's really owned the big moments. And then you've got

1037
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 3: Nathan who I don't know any player in I'll be honest,

1038
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 3: I don't know any player in rugby league history that

1039
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 3: has remained so calm and so cool in the closing

1040
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: stages of the game, chasing points in big games.

1041
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: We had him on the podcast last year and we

1042
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: were talking about this was just after the Broncos Grand Final,

1043
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: and you talk about a player who just wanted the

1044
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: ball in his hands that final moment when he got

1045
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: it on the short side and scored the try under

1046
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: the post. We come back against the grain, scored under

1047
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,479
Speaker 1: the post. He was like, I wanted the one before,

1048
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: but Mitch Kenny hit short and I got it. I

1049
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: still sort of thought something was on the next play

1050
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: and then I looked up last minute and they had

1051
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: an ex it was four on three. They had an

1052
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: extra man on us. But I just thought, I'll screw it.

1053
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: I'll just give it a crack. Any I just wanted

1054
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: in my hands. And obviously players like that just create

1055
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: their own luck like that, just by.

1056
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: Wanting the ball in those moments. Yeah, you're one hundred

1057
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: percent right. And it's funny about you know when you

1058
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: watch video and you do video, like a lot of

1059
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: people don't do a lot, and they can't sort of

1060
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: remember what the coaches showed them and at the seventy

1061
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: fifth minute, remember what the coach has spoken about. So

1062
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,479
Speaker 2: like little things for a half, like if you're going

1063
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: down a short side and you see a big man

1064
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: on a short side, like a wider short side, and

1065
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: he's defending it, you know three or a four As

1066
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 2: a as a half, that's something that you look out for.

1067
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: And if you've watched them under fatigue and you know

1068
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: they're a bit tired, where you know that at some

1069
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: stage they aren't going to be as alert or as

1070
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: agile as what the proble a defender should have been.

1071
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: So as as a half playing, I was always taught

1072
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 2: and you would have been there. If you've seen that, Yeah,

1073
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 2: it out of whack, so to speak. The edge of

1074
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: defense will have a shot at it, have a gal at.

1075
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: It's funny.

1076
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 2: Don't just sit back and watch it. You see it. React.

1077
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 3: It's funny. Like there's a player in the game now,

1078
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 3: like top liner, you know, and he's proven himself the

1079
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: top level when he was first coming through the grade.

1080
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 3: So they got me a little bit of work with him,

1081
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 3: and he came from a different position into the halves

1082
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 3: and he was having enormous anxiety. Was like I got

1083
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 3: to count numbers and I gotta do this. And I

1084
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 3: remember thinking to myself made this place is just a

1085
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 3: great instinctive player, And I just said, look, here's the thing.

1086
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 3: Just position yourself if in your if you get a

1087
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 3: little bit of a gap field, that should call the ball.

1088
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 3: You've played so much football, you've got such great instincts

1089
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 3: that even though you might not recognize the equation, it's there.

1090
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: So just call the ball. You know, you get players

1091
00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 3: like that.

1092
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree, and I reckon that's something that

1093
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: I picked up on early is and that was just

1094
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 2: from coaching, but also people continually telling you that if

1095
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 2: you see something, react and do it. Just go with

1096
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: your gut. But it's amazing when you think like that.

1097
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 2: If I saw a front rower defending it at three

1098
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: on a short side, I reckon most times when I've

1099
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: seen that, I've seen him two minutes before, walking somewhere, yes,

1100
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: and being lazy and tired. It just comes back to me, Mate,

1101
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: he's in the wrong spot, he's tired. I've got him.

1102
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 2: But that was the mentality that you had.

1103
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 3: And I reckon a lot of that sitting in a

1104
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: subconscious a little bit at some start of the game.

1105
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 2: That just sits there and you don't know how to

1106
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 2: teach it, but I just know that that's what was happening.

1107
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 3: It just to frustrate me a little bit, like with Joey,

1108
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 3: because there were certain things that were just part of

1109
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 3: him that that he would just do freakish things. And

1110
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 3: you go, had you how did you do it? And

1111
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 3: you want, you know, you're looking for some wanted to

1112
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 3: give you a black and white answer or almost some

1113
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: equation of this is why.

1114
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 2: I did it.

1115
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 3: I remember we're playing the Dragon Dragons one day in

1116
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 3: ninety ninety six games on the line. We're down by

1117
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 3: a fraction and Joey just calls the ball and just

1118
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 3: runs and goes bang, beats David Barnehill sorry Barney on

1119
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 3: the left foot, and went through score this amazing try.

1120
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 3: And after the game they were analyzing he did this

1121
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: and obviously saw that, and I said, what was it?

1122
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 3: And he went, I don't know. I just looked up

1123
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 3: and he looked a bit tight.

1124
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: You know, it's so easy to overcomplicate it is, but

1125
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: I reckon Joey would have seen him a few minutes earlier,

1126
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: whether it be hands on the hips looking tired, and

1127
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: he's just found him. And that was the first trigger

1128
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: to suggest, Hey, I think I can beat him. There,

1129
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 2: I think I can get him.

1130
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: Will Chambers said, he said about Jonathan Thurston one time,

1131
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: he was like, he was like John O would be

1132
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: so like he wouldn't really talk a lot in terms

1133
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: of structure and stuff. He built his whole game just

1134
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: about identifying people on pure fatigue. And he was like

1135
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: he would just he would just be sort of watching

1136
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: and just see someone sort of half stumble or hands

1137
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: on hips or hands on head trying to suck him in.

1138
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: And he said he knew he'd have them every time,

1139
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: sort of catch him on the out and then just

1140
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: get them getting sideways, makes a little line breaks like that.

1141
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: Some of those players just it's almost like it's not coaching.

1142
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: It's just like they're just so observant in identifying fatigue

1143
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: in different players.

1144
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: And that's a hard thing to have to because when

1145
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 2: you're trying to run a footy team, yes, trying to

1146
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: people are running at you. You've got to tackle, and

1147
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: you've got to think about a million different things that

1148
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: to specifically notice that when the game's on the line

1149
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: or when a big moment is requiet that to me, his.

1150
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 3: Talent, two different type, two different parts of the brain.

1151
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 3: You got one who's done that sort of holistic approach

1152
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 3: and pushing everyone around, and the other's got that micro

1153
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 3: focus and the ability to do both. Pretty remarkable to be.

1154
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: Talking to, to communicate to your team and then also

1155
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: just be like see something and then almost scrap everything

1156
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 1: you've just communicated.

1157
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 3: Zero.

1158
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: That's where Ricky was really good. Yeah, Yeah, Ricky was

1159
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: outstanding it being able to communicate both with his teammates and.

1160
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still going to I'm still going to therapy

1161
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 3: some of these he said. It was clever. He used

1162
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: to call when we first come to the grade. He

1163
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 3: called me Andrew and wrote this, he calmly Andrew and

1164
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 3: Joey Matthew right. I remember once we're going towards the

1165
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 3: end of the game and I walked past him and

1166
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 3: I said, made very very clever getting our names wrong.

1167
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: And he goes, He goes, I really don't know who you.

1168
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: Didn't didn't He used to stand on one of your

1169
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: like on your hand or something as you're about to

1170
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: feed the scrap.

1171
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: Just bumpy and things like that. Yeah, putty, like you

1172
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: got to play the ball and you just step on

1173
00:59:58,840 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 3: your hands.

1174
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 2: And his big one was like you'd get at marker

1175
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: and if the player playing the ball to push him,

1176
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: hold his hands up floor. Sorry, but as he chased

1177
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: from marker he dropped his hand out and like that

1178
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: at marker and then go to take off and as

1179
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: he take off and in videos you used to see

1180
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 2: you see the blake playing the ball.

1181
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 3: I remember that grow Pegger. But I remember Mark Lanville

1182
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 3: trivic player. Mark Lanvill played lock for Newcastle for years

1183
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 3: and years one a Grand final with him should have

1184
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: played Rep football. But anyway, when Ali ma and Man

1185
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 3: coached the Knights, I think it might have been nineteen

1186
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 3: ninety nine, ninety. They got there before the game. They're

1187
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 3: playing bal Maine Big game. They got Blocker, They've got

1188
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 3: zero and all that, and Macca was very very good.

1189
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 3: You watch him do a motivational speech with the players

1190
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 3: and mate, he'd just get them up, and he was

1191
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 3: in go and made Wayne Pearce come on, get into him, mate.

1192
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 3: Soon and there's the challenge blocker. Blocker, you know he's

1193
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 3: going to have a go at you.

1194
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: You know it.

1195
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 3: He idea ideas, come on, get in his face, give

1196
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 3: it back, and I can see the players yep. So

1197
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 3: first couple of minutes of the game, Mark Level goes out,

1198
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 3: puts his hand on the ground and Blocker just stands

1199
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 3: on his hand and MG gets up and looks at him.

1200
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: And.

1201
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 3: I think Blocker says something to MG, and MG goes,

1202
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 3: what are you going to do about it? MG? And

1203
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 3: as Blocker was going away, he just hits him with

1204
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 3: the left hand right Literally, MG woke up. I reckon

1205
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 3: twenty minutes later in the sheds. It was just the

1206
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: most glance and blow.

1207
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 2: It was just like clip on the way off to

1208
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: come back, or didn't even notice it. I don't know,

1209
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 2: probably not.

1210
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 3: I don't think would have him if the referees didn't

1211
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 3: pick it up, would have been match committee.

1212
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Blocker was one of those guys, wasn't he.

1213
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 2: You just never said anything too because he was easy

1214
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 2: to wind up, but if you did, you knew something

1215
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 2: was coming. Yeah, And I remember just playing with Blocker

1216
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: and just the respect that opposition players had for him,

1217
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 2: but the ability to get under the skin of the

1218
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: opponent and they would not back down. And the old

1219
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: front rower in those days, weren't they It was a

1220
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 2: one on one duel. They just right, I'll take you

1221
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 2: and you and I go for it and I'm going

1222
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: to beat you down.

1223
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: And refere would often let him go. And every scrum

1224
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 3: they'd be headbutting.

1225
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: It's like ice hockey.

1226
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 3: Just let that. But you'd hear, remember like the smash

1227
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 3: of heads because they'd be fighting for the loose head.

1228
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 3: Because back like you know, sound it's extremely foreign. It

1229
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 3: was prehistoric these days. But every scrum was contested, so

1230
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 3: what was important who got the food and who got

1231
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 3: the loose head. So they would fight for loose heads

1232
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 3: by head butting each other.

1233
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: Just just incredible what it was, wasn't it. You know,

1234
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: and they'd be starting in the second row would have

1235
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 2: a loose arm and they'd come up and start to

1236
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: throw upper cuts and the front rowers of you head

1237
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: budding and just pushing and shoving, and yeah.

1238
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: It was.

1239
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 2: It was a whole old time.

1240
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 3: Tony Butterfield was like he was probably the last because

1241
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 3: buts he debuted for Penrith about nine eight seven, six

1242
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 3: ninety seven and he was still playing in nineteen. In

1243
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 3: two thousand, right was finished, but he was still of

1244
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 3: that old softening up period. So we'd play games and

1245
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 3: against the front rower and you'd hear the gonk where

1246
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 3: he'd just go banging head button in scrums and Hugh

1247
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 3: and going, oh, it's so refree he had butted me.

1248
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: It would just be it was not of that era.

1249
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: Well.

1250
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 2: I remember my first ever Country game was nineteen eighty

1251
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: eight and Gary Jack was named at full back and

1252
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: was injured, so they brought in Johnny Dory. Johnny Dory,

1253
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: he was playing like like seventy he was when running

1254
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: around with the Vampire, so he's getting towards the end

1255
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 2: of his view Johnny, and they called him up as

1256
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 2: a as a fallback. Anyhow, we're sitting around and talking about, oh,

1257
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 2: you know, what are we going to do to city

1258
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: and Johnny gas Well, the first scrump, we're going to

1259
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 2: put it on, talking about putting on a blue in

1260
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: the first crump, it was just sort of foreign to me,

1261
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: as in, we're just going to go and have a stink. Yeah, yeah,

1262
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 2: just the first rump.

1263
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 3: But the opening twenty minutes, like when you're a kid

1264
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 3: watching rugby league, it was sort of gone. By the

1265
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 3: time I got there, you would have had a little

1266
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 3: bit distilled. Was the softening up period where it was

1267
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 3: Raffidy's rules. It was just like, let let's just, you know,

1268
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 3: the big las just go at each other and the

1269
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 3: referee would basically call them both out and said, right

1270
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 3: now you've had to go. Now you've had to go. Now,

1271
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 3: let's settle down and play football.

1272
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, is that the first yeah, sort of twenty

1273
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 2: minutes of the.

1274
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 3: Game, those blue mountains, you go back there, We will

1275
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 3: made it.

1276
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, will works so well. I don't want to try

1277
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: and come in and try and reinvent the wheel because

1278
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 2: I don't think we need to. Obviously, I'll put my

1279
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: own stamp on things. But the fooedback that I got

1280
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 2: was that it was very impressive. I've gone up there

1281
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 2: and checked it out myself. The players enjoyed it, just

1282
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 2: to get away from Sydney and the spotlight a bit.

1283
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 2: They've got all facilities there, so for us, it'll be

1284
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 2: familiar with the players, so they'll get there, they'll know

1285
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: what's happening. So yeah, comfortable going back there, and I'm

1286
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 2: sure the players are. As We've heard the food's amazing

1287
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 2: at the place.

1288
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 3: Is that true?

1289
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 2: Have you?

1290
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1291
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: Look, I don't want to I don't want to give

1292
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: anything away. Yeah, but apparently the food's phenomenal.

1293
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: Well, I haven't heard especially about the food, but I've

1294
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: heard everything is brilliant. And in fact, I think a

1295
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 2: couple of teams have gone up there recently to have

1296
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: pre season camps, mainly just a couple weeks too. Footy

1297
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 2: teams are starting to go starting to go up there, now,

1298
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 2: can I We're about.

1299
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 3: To go into and now obviousn't worked that good.

1300
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 2: Apparently the food was too good.

1301
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 3: There were five overweight.

1302
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: Look, Dad's about to go into a segment, okay that

1303
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: he calls tough talk. Just before I throw it to him,

1304
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: Can I asee a question? A big, big age old

1305
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: argument in Laurie Daly's opinion, who is the greatest State

1306
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: of Origin player of all time? Oh jeez, Queensland or

1307
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: New South Wales should pick?

1308
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you know what I'd have. I'd have

1309
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 2: three that I couldn't separate for different reasons. Tears, three

1310
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 2: that I just absolutely admired got to play with. One.

1311
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 2: Bradley Clyde. Just a champion player, champion guy. But just

1312
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 2: what he did was he was a back rower that

1313
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 2: could play out wide, so he was a wide running

1314
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 2: back rower but also could carry the ball up like

1315
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 2: a front rower Jowey. Of course, it was very, very good.

1316
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 2: Every time he played State of Origin had an impact,

1317
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 2: you know, one of the immortals and one of the

1318
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 2: great greatest players we've seen. Uh And Freddy. Freddy I

1319
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 2: think had a huge influence. Freddy played center, played Locke

1320
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 2: played five eight and had an impact wherever he played.

1321
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 2: So for me, those three rate extremely high. Can't separate them,

1322
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 2: but they were all great, mate. I appreciate the honesty.

1323
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: Now, now that was a tough If you thought that

1324
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: was a tough question, this is going to be very

1325
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: so what.

1326
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 2: Are we looking for one word or where we're going.

1327
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 3: There are no rules. That's the only rule we have.

1328
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 2: On this podcast.

1329
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 3: This is the softening period. But as opposed to the start,

1330
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 3: it's towards the end. I love you that pretty son.

1331
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 3: Do you know Billy? Do you know Billy Slater?

1332
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: Uh?

1333
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 2: I do, but not not real will I know? No

1334
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 2: Billy to say you know to but you know it

1335
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 2: quite well.

1336
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've been to his house?

1337
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1338
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 3: What's his house?

1339
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 4: Like?

1340
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 2: He's got he's got horses and stuff on.

1341
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, beautiful, little like acreage and Victoria. The house itself,

1342
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: it's a bit unique, like completely made of glass really, yeah,

1343
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: which I thought is weird. Obviously they've worked with an

1344
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: architect or something.

1345
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 3: That lives in the glasshouse.

1346
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 2: I'll tell you something about Billy. Billy is my mother's

1347
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 2: favorite player.

1348
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 3: Really.

1349
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 2: My mother was in love with Billy Slater really very

1350
01:08:55,360 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 2: much so. So I remember she against Billy when I

1351
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 2: was last in charge in New South Wales and my

1352
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 2: mother would ring me every morning of the game saying,

1353
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 2: make sure you leave my Billy alone. We're gonna give

1354
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,919
Speaker 2: it a billion. We didn't, but yeah, she she idolized

1355
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: him and thinks he's such a wonderful player. But yeah,

1356
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 2: she's a mad fan when it comes to Billy's later.

1357
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 3: Don't touch the face true, Now he does love horses,

1358
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 3: said it before the horse stud plenty of echa one

1359
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 3: seats going around him, which is anyway, and also madey

1360
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 3: did track work. Do you know track work with Gay Waterhouse.

1361
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 2: I saw him, I saw the story, and I've sort

1362
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 2: of followed his career obviously, but he's done really well.

1363
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 2: But you just can't. I just can't pitch your Billy

1364
01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 2: as the jockey.

1365
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 3: I soon played polo. It's almost world class. The best

1366
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 3: polo player in the world or a guy who was

1367
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 3: this Argentinean guy comes out and they played the magic

1368
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 3: means and he just wraps Billy. Is how good he is.

1369
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 3: It's just one of those arsholes you can do anything.

1370
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a freak.

1371
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah well yeah, so Gay Waterhouse, So waterhouses has opposed glasshouses.

1372
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 3: People in waterhouses shouldn't throw.

1373
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: Don't throw pebbles, don't skim stones.

1374
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 3: That's right now. Lost twenty twenty five has been described

1375
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 3: as the year of the Second Coming. Of course yourself

1376
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 3: and Donald J. Trump, So you blokes. Of course, we

1377
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 3: had a yarn about this before you. Bloke's got similarities,

1378
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 3: similarities views on border control hair, NATO hair. Listen with

1379
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,879
Speaker 3: there's something straight away, we'd.

1380
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 2: Be glad you're going to raise this question because I

1381
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 2: want you and Cooper to both have a look at

1382
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 2: my hair to address the rumors. Yes, to address the rumors.

1383
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 2: What so Coop, Yeah, grab my hair okay and tell

1384
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 2: me if that's real? Pull it? Yes, pull it? Oh,

1385
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 2: that's real? And have I got gray hair? Yeah? You've

1386
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 2: got great? Yes, So the rumors of rug dyeing the hair?

1387
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 2: Can I just put that to bed?

1388
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1389
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 2: You can?

1390
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 3: That is that what it looks like?

1391
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1392
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: I want I want my camera straight, look straight down there.

1393
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 2: I don't have a runk and I don't do my hair.

1394
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 2: You heard it first exclusive for Tough too, but he

1395
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 2: does bleach his aus. Did you want to did you

1396
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:38,879
Speaker 2: want to maybe.

1397
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 3: Again look straight down the barrel? Honestly, Laurie hasn't got

1398
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 3: a just keep it on then get a turkey for

1399
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 3: no reason? Now your co should origin level by Gus? Yeah,

1400
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 3: of course had been the influence. Apart from conspiracies, agendas

1401
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 3: and paranoia. What else did you take from Gus's coach?

1402
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what Gus could do extremely well. He

1403
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 2: could deliver his message like, yeah, he could have you

1404
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: believe a black wall is a white wall, and you

1405
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 2: would run out there on the field so confident that

1406
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 2: you could get the job done and you believed in

1407
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 2: everything that he said. He was a great orator, very

1408
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 2: knowledgeable about the game obviously, but had this knack of

1409
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 2: being able to get the best out in each other,

1410
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 2: but also knowing what made you tick, what made you tick,

1411
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 2: So if you needed to be fired up, he could

1412
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: do that. But if you needed a bit of a

1413
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 2: chat and a bit of a calm down, he could

1414
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 2: also also do that. You know, I remember him being

1415
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 2: able to pick moments and when to recall stories. So

1416
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 2: I remember one year, so it would have been at

1417
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 2: the inn of eighty nine. You know. I got dropped

1418
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 2: from that series and Gus came in in ninety two

1419
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 2: and one of the first sessions he spoke about was

1420
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 2: you know what we need to do to beat Queensland. Anyway,

1421
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 2: we were at a coffee one day and he goes, mate,

1422
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on your first Origin series? He said,

1423
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 2: you come up against Malle's your captain, club captain. You know,

1424
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 2: he's done it all. Wouldn't you like to get one

1425
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 2: over him? At times? I said, oh yeah, I'd like

1426
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 2: to get that. He says, well, what's your biggest regrets

1427
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 2: so far in Origin? I said, oh, well, you know

1428
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 2: the day I played against him in that Origin series

1429
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 2: Game one, you know, Mal scored all these points and

1430
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 2: I had a shocker and he you know, I got

1431
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 2: brushed after that. He goes, right, don't know. Worries gets

1432
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 2: to nineteen ninety four Game three, Mal's last game at

1433
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 2: Lean Park. It's one all and I'm in the sheds

1434
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 2: and he goes, how you feeling? I said, oh, yeah, good.

1435
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 2: He said, remember a couple of years ago and I

1436
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 2: had a yardie about Mal and your greatest regret And

1437
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: I said yeah. He said, what are you going to.

1438
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 3: Do about it?

1439
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 2: I said, oh, I haven't really thought about it. He said, well, no,

1440
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 2: the time's come mate, You're going to stand and deliver.

1441
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 2: What are you going to do? And I said, well,

1442
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 2: I'm going to play well. And he said, mate, he's

1443
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 2: had his time, but yours has to arrive, and he's

1444
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 2: got to arrive at some time. Why not be tonight?

1445
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 2: And I said all right, No, Worries and he said,

1446
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 2: when they come asking for you to do the toss,

1447
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 2: going hide, Like, what do you mean going hide? He said, well,

1448
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 2: you're not going out there. He said, we're going to

1449
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 2: make him wait. He said, he's going to wait for you, right,

1450
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, worries And then touch he comes in

1451
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 2: and knocks on the door and Captain can't find him.

1452
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 2: He can't make captain. Anyway, it felt like ten It

1453
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 2: was probably ninety seconds or.

1454
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 3: Whatever it was.

1455
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 2: Anyway, I go out to toss and Mali's just standing

1456
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 2: there and he's filthy. He's just steering me, and I'm going,

1457
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 2: oh my god, he's going to kill me. He's going

1458
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 2: to kill me. And then and then that was fine,

1459
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 2: shake the hand and we do the toss, and then

1460
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 2: I go back in and I said, boys, no regrets.

1461
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,560
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not having a fucking regret to not

1462
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 2: And that's sort of how I got inspired for that game.

1463
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,759
Speaker 2: And it was amazing that Gus was able to recall

1464
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 2: a story we had three years before to actually get

1465
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 2: me ready and up and about for that game.

1466
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 3: And isn't it funny that little thing, that little irritation

1467
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 3: where you don't think a lot of it but Mao's

1468
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 3: standing there and he's going, it's disrepeted the right word. No,

1469
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 3: but he's going on a second, like you know, if

1470
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 3: you if you're like your temptations to get out there

1471
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,640
Speaker 3: for the toss. Yeah, how you're doing. You have that

1472
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 3: father son and you're going and male sitting there going

1473
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 3: it's preaks making me wait.

1474
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 2: And I was not embarrassed, but I'm like, mate, I

1475
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 2: want to respect him, you know, and I loved him,

1476
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 2: And no, no, no, you're not you're not going. That

1477
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 2: was interesting how radio that unfolded that in that moment.

1478
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong. You've left a little bit

1479
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 3: off here through humility, I believe. In the last minute

1480
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 3: of that game, with the game on the line, used

1481
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 3: her head, laimed by a couple of points, and Mail

1482
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 3: makes a big break down the right hand side and

1483
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 3: you come a crossing cover and rather than taking on,

1484
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 3: he sort of pauses to look for the pass. And

1485
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 3: I remember the commentators at that point saying, it's almost

1486
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 3: like that, is that you've seen the changing.

1487
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 2: Of the guard. Yeah, I don't know whether it was

1488
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 2: in that game, right, I got it wrong, but look,

1489
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,560
Speaker 2: he was someone that I idolized. Now and he was

1490
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 2: someone that I've got a great amount of respect for

1491
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 2: and awesome player, awesome leader, and an immortal. And I

1492
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 2: never actually saw it like that. But what I was

1493
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 2: able to do, and what I always said I would

1494
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 2: do to my team was I'll do anything in my

1495
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 2: power to help make us wine. Yeah, and whatever I

1496
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 2: had to do, I was willing to do.

1497
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 3: It's a great talk with Gus, which he gave me

1498
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 3: that sort of talk when he dropped me three times.

1499
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 2: Now, this looks not America worker.

1500
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 3: Let's let's finish up with look with Clarky, you work

1501
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 3: with him? It always it amazes me. Sometimes we had

1502
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 3: a chat about this reasonally with different blokes. When you

1503
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 3: get blokes, so nothing is clerky, right, fantastic curricut, but

1504
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 3: he must have a silver tonguel. I'd just like to

1505
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 3: know somebody's pick up lines because, let's face it, in

1506
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 3: my opinion, and look, this is just my opinion. I

1507
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 3: think Clark he's a four. But holy early, I mean

1508
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 3: most sundays I pick up the paper and say, true,

1509
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 3: I have a look at his going out with Now, well,

1510
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 3: what I.

1511
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 2: Will say, Matthew, he's got a lovely partner. Now got

1512
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 2: a lovely partner. He's in a great spot. I have

1513
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 2: asked him about, you know, his life in general and

1514
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 2: what he gets up to and how he goes about things.

1515
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, I can't say too much because.

1516
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 3: After some advice, Let's face it, sometimes marriage isn't forever.

1517
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 3: I'd just like to know it's going a second time around.

1518
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 3: Did you guys have like a.

1519
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 2: Locker room, a big sports breakfast?

1520
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 3: Did you shower together?

1521
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 2: It never showered with each other, but you know what

1522
01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 2: it's like when you get together the footy. This is

1523
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 2: what I love about people from different sports. You guys

1524
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 2: would know this. When you get blows from different sports.

1525
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 2: They just can't believe how rugby league people are. They

1526
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: just don't get it and they're intrigued and they want

1527
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 2: to know all stories and it's like we're aliens or something.

1528
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: It's just like you did that and it's I don't

1529
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 2: know how to describe it, but people just regard us

1530
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 2: as a completely the scum of the earth.

1531
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: It's funny, how like when you're young, you're so naive

1532
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: you think sort of all sport cultures are the same.

1533
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: And I remember when when we trained Amy Park, Melbourne

1534
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: Rebels were there the Melbourne Demons were there and the

1535
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,799
Speaker 1: soccer team were there as well, and just the different

1536
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: cultures across all The soccer guys would when they go

1537
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,560
Speaker 1: in the ice bar and stuff, they'd wear thongs to

1538
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 1: stop tinier. The junior guys were the same, and the

1539
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: AFL boys a sort of do the same, just little tendencies.

1540
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: And then we would kind of roll into the gym

1541
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: and the ice bars boys be doing cannon balls and

1542
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: things like that, and you could just see you could

1543
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: just see all the other sporting teams just going with

1544
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 1: these guys are just.

1545
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 3: Well, there's certain words that were part of the rugby

1546
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 3: league vernacular, well in terms of what people would say

1547
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 3: about rugby league that have become international. They'll say that

1548
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 3: one of the leudes rhino blokes running to one of

1549
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 3: the league and Premier League players and said, and they

1550
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 3: talked about something and the Premier League players said the

1551
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 3: term rugby league drunk. I'm going out to get rugby

1552
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 3: league drunk.

1553
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 2: You know, I've heard that as well, rugby league And

1554
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 2: I want to know how they compare rugby league to

1555
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 2: other sports. Did I just say that because the rugby

1556
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 2: league players are more well known? Yeah, yeah, yes, people

1557
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 2: just see them out a little bit more. And we

1558
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 2: don't think we're better. Everyone's just Wegaltians.

1559
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 3: We're all the same. Yeah Clerky though on Clerky good

1560
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,839
Speaker 3: player to never seen someone bat overs like it. Unfortunately

1561
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 3: not at the crease. Otherwise he's still there now. Thank

1562
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 3: you for joining us in tough talk. Last thing before

1563
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 3: we go, los we like to do a thing called

1564
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 3: loan survivor. Correct Cooper, explain it. I have struggled you

1565
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 3: do so loan survivor.

1566
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: It's it's almost like a king of the Ring, if

1567
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: you will, Like Dad is going to give you two options.

1568
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:22,719
Speaker 2: What is the category?

1569
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 3: For the categories your greatest teammate.

1570
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,759
Speaker 1: So it's going to be your greatest teammate. For example,

1571
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: if he said Matthew or Andrew Johns, you would say

1572
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 1: Andrew John's and then it'll go and Lena, let's not

1573
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: presume obviously, and then the end the end person your

1574
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: greatest teammate.

1575
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 3: So a lot of times I thought it myself. You know,

1576
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 3: there's not many that you that you've only shared outside

1577
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 3: of club level, because you just played so many great

1578
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 3: players for the So is this.

1579
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 2: The player I enjoyed playing with the most most talented?

1580
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 2: Is it for the best?

1581
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: Is it?

1582
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 3: I would like to feel you to almost go buying

1583
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 3: it all, almost like rad You're going into battle and

1584
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 3: you go, who do you want most alongside? Okay, start

1585
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 3: with some wingers, no one, Andrew who or Chicken Ferguson

1586
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 3: Chicker Chicken Ferguson Andrew Weddinghouse and Chicker Chicker Kenny Nagas

1587
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 3: Kenny Kenny Nagas, Ruben Wiki, Ruben should play with some

1588
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 3: good ones Reuben Quentin Pongia, Quentin Quentin or Johnny Lomax.

1589
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 3: How mean, dudes?

1590
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 2: Ah? Yeah, Quentin or Johnny going into battle?

1591
01:22:55,040 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 3: So if you had both, you wouldn't lose, do Youjohnny,

1592
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 3: Johnny Lomax, Dave Ferner. You've played with some.

1593
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 2: Uh in the ring, but Johnny in the street fight? Yeah?

1594
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 2: When when when you could do whatever? Johnny?

1595
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 3: Roll with Johnny? Then right with Johnny, Johnny Lomax or

1596
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 3: Brett Mullins.

1597
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:29,719
Speaker 2: To bring fun.

1598
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 3: Johnny, Johnny Lomax, Gary Belcher, Oh Badge is too good looking,

1599
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 3: so Johnny okay, Johnny, Johnny Lomax, Alan Langer in the

1600
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 3: battle Johnny, Johnny Lomax, Ricky Stewart, Sticky Ricky Stewart, brad Fiddler,

1601
01:23:55,720 --> 01:24:02,879
Speaker 3: Sticky Ricky Stewart, Glenn Lazarus, Sticky Ricky Stewart, Bradley Clyde,

1602
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 3: Claudie Bradley Clyde, Malmedinger, ah so.

1603
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 2: Uh Malinger the game.

1604
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today, Thank you, good Luck for

1605
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 1: the Origin series. Thanks you for coming on mate, And

1606
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: do you want to finish with.

1607
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 2: The losses Luck? No, I can't do it.