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Speaker 1: Apoche production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: muscle comments and.

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Speaker 3: In this episode I speak with Nick Burke, a chef

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Speaker 3: who's lived through the madness of the culinary underworld.

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Speaker 4: I thought I was better than everyone, but there was

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Speaker 4: two chicks and the teacher would make us make breakfast

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Speaker 4: for all the guys. That's an example of what it

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Speaker 4: was like as a female. I wasn't really taking drugs

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Speaker 4: back then.

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Speaker 1: I was way better than them. It's kind of like prison.

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Speaker 4: You have to be on your game and wash your

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Speaker 4: bag or people will fok you over. I got all

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Speaker 4: the chefs together, I said, get out your boning knives.

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Speaker 4: We're boning pigs.

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Speaker 1: And these chefs were just like, who the fuck is this?

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Speaker 1: Like crocodile on d check.

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Speaker 3: Let's start about growing up before you became a chef,

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Speaker 3: and tell us about you as a kid, growing up

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Speaker 1: I was adopted, so I'm the youngest.

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Speaker 4: We moved from Brisbane to a place called Yupoon, which

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Speaker 4: is near Rockhampton and Central Queensland, overlooking Great Kepel, Ireland.

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Speaker 1: It was very idyllic.

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Speaker 4: We had horses and it was like the country at

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Speaker 1: My dad worked for the railway.

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Speaker 4: My mum ran the Bush Children's Home which was right

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Speaker 4: registered nurse and we had a great life. My brother

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Speaker 4: and sister we all rode horses and we would just

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Speaker 4: ride them bare back with no rains and no sat

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Speaker 4: all kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: So how was school and growing up? What was your

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Speaker 3: path to at the time of being a teenager? What

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Speaker 3: did you think you're going to be when you're older.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be a dancer. That's totally that's totally different.

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Speaker 4: You know, at school, I wanted to do dancing, painting,

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Speaker 4: and you know, laughing. I used to get in trouble

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Speaker 4: but I did. I started doing homech in school and

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Speaker 4: my mom is an amazing cook.

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Speaker 1: So and my dad makes great up of this.

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Speaker 2: Is that's where you lent most of you? Yeah you did.

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Speaker 4: She was actually running the Royal Children's Hospital, the E

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Speaker 4: and T Ward and you know, like her best friend

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Speaker 1: So they had really serious jobs.

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Speaker 4: But she would always find time to make amazing food

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Speaker 4: as well somehow. I mean, my parents are very hard working,

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Speaker 4: which is where I think I got my work ethic from.

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Speaker 1: And there's no way.

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Speaker 4: That I could have done my apprenticeship without seeing how

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Speaker 4: hard they worked.

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Speaker 3: When you've decided now, okay, I want to be a chef,

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Speaker 3: You've got to get your apprenticeship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so my mom got me a job.

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Speaker 4: I'm very old so used to look in the newspaper,

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Speaker 4: this place called Chevalier's. I got the job about of

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Speaker 4: fifty people that were standing in the courtyard and I

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Speaker 4: it because it was like a sign. And when I

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Speaker 4: started cooking, I was on one hundred dollars a week

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Speaker 4: and I did one hundred hours a week.

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Speaker 2: She was one hundred hours a week.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So I would start working probably around eight am,

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Speaker 4: and like the earlier you would start, the more work

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Speaker 4: was normal back then, like this was nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 4: We thought it was normal to sort of work like that,

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Speaker 4: I'd start work at eight am. I'd do luder and desserts.

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Speaker 4: That was what all the chicks did. We weren't allowed

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Speaker 4: near the stove. It was a very male dominated and yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: We knew our place. They wouldn't get a kitchen hand.

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Speaker 4: So there'd be like a head chef, a sioux chef

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Speaker 4: And I would wash dishes by myself in a venue

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Speaker 2: Even though it's not your job to do it well.

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Speaker 4: It's saved money by getting the first year apprentice to

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Speaker 1: And my dad would actually come and pick me up.

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Speaker 1: Bless him. He would come because I didn't.

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Speaker 4: Have my license yet, so he'd come in in his

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Speaker 1: Sometimes he even helped me mop the floor.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes these people would sit at the back and smoke

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Speaker 2: Would there's be a big restaurant like I.

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Speaker 4: Was only like fifty seeds or something like that. But

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Speaker 4: you know the head chef was she was a chick, like,

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Speaker 1: She was a great chef. I say that for two years.

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Speaker 1: This is a great story.

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Speaker 4: We had another restaurant at the Gold Coast and she

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Speaker 4: borrowed my car. I had a Gemini, so she asked me,

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Speaker 4: the motor of my car, right, And you know, I

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Speaker 4: was so nice back then. I was just so sweet,

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Speaker 4: and you know, I was like, oh, it's okay. And

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Speaker 4: I got home my dad like kicked my ass, like

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Speaker 4: how dare you, you know.

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Speaker 1: Loan out your car?

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Speaker 4: So it costs me two thousand dollars. She didn't pay

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Speaker 4: me a cent to fix the motor. And luckily my

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Speaker 1: And then I was getting hell at home because my.

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Speaker 4: Dad was really hardcore on like everything is your fault

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Speaker 4: it was hell at worked because you know, if somebody

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Speaker 1: It's not a good vibe.

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Speaker 4: So I thought, I'm going to go and work for

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Speaker 4: her rival, which was Andrew Mirosch it faces and then

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Speaker 4: I'd just basically jumped from the frying pan into the fire,

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Speaker 4: twenty five as a second year, still doing one hundred hours,

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Speaker 1: And it was hard.

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Speaker 4: Like this guy, you know, the owner, Vincent, he was hardcore.

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Speaker 4: It was hard back then. It wasn't like these days

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Speaker 1: You were actually working hard.

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Speaker 4: And Vincent wouldn't let Marty and I get a kitchen handleless.

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Speaker 4: We had eighty people booked, so we'd do these fake

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Speaker 1: Then he'd find out and we'd get in trouble.

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Speaker 4: But we would do one hundred and fifty people, two apprentices.

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Speaker 4: I think I was seventeen and Marty was like eighteen,

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Speaker 2: How long did you have to stay a princess.

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Speaker 1: For four years?

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Speaker 2: Four years?

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Speaker 4: So then I stayed there, which was hell, Like we're

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Speaker 1: It was like just screaming and yelling.

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Speaker 4: I remember putting up plates and get called I fucking can't.

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Speaker 1: Do it again.

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Speaker 4: What the fuck are you doing? You're a fucking idiot.

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Speaker 4: D It's not like these days. If you spoke to

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you.

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't get sued. Everyone would turn against you. That's what

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Speaker 1: Even really know. It was a friend of my sisters.

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Speaker 4: I landed in Japan, like my parents would never let

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Speaker 2: Was that a restaurant just home?

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Speaker 4: It was an Australian bar called the Great Divide. So

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Speaker 4: We couldn't converse. They spoke Japanese, I spoke English. And

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Speaker 4: They dropped me in a hotel, like the room was

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Speaker 4: in eight hours. Anyway, I ended up running that place,

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Speaker 2: It he worked for the restaurant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the manager. Like it was so full

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Speaker 2: That's his say, and it's they felt the power over

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Speaker 4: Who knows what he told them, like the Japanese people

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Speaker 4: who own the place, right, So that happened, and then no,

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Speaker 4: I didn't like I wanted to do something. I wanted

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Speaker 4: I met this guy Tommy and we used to go

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Speaker 4: to a pool, rooftop pool.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I met this guy Tommy.

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Speaker 4: He had a big Harley fat boy and he used

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Speaker 4: for all the foreigners. So that was good because there

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Speaker 4: was nowhere It's hard to explain, but there was nowhere

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Speaker 4: and like I managed to find suppliers, like you can't

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Speaker 1: Breakfast at home. Which is really a big deal.

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Speaker 4: Like I'm sure for most people who are like, oh god,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you've got to be tough.

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Speaker 4: I was head chef at Fez Cafe and I just

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Speaker 4: So I was the only one he had and I said,

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Speaker 1: He didn't get my number, and I came back and

444
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, thank god, you're back. I didn't get

445
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,001
Speaker 1: your number. This is what it was like.

446
00:20:23,521 --> 00:20:26,440
Speaker 4: But I ended up employing my flatmates, so all of

447
00:20:26,521 --> 00:20:27,680
Speaker 4: us would go to work.

448
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,281
Speaker 1: Jason would wash dishes.

449
00:20:29,321 --> 00:20:32,801
Speaker 4: It was hilarious, and you know Jerry would do larder,

450
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 4: and Seana work there and other friends of mine. So

451
00:20:35,561 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 4: I just employed on my friends right that way, you

452
00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 4: don't get fucked over.

453
00:20:40,801 --> 00:20:43,561
Speaker 2: What was your established dish? What would you say yours.

454
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,001
Speaker 4: Was My favorite dish that I did was like sushi

455
00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 4: rice with just a square of seaweed, fresh sushimi, tuna,

456
00:20:53,561 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 4: green tob CoA and like a miso dressing.

457
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,201
Speaker 1: That was one of my favorites. Sort of stacked up.

458
00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:02,321
Speaker 4: I did a nice duck dish with sticky rice and

459
00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 4: that kind of thing.

460
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:04,041
Speaker 1: You know.

461
00:21:04,241 --> 00:21:06,561
Speaker 4: I made the mistake when I was in Gourmet magazine.

462
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,641
Speaker 4: I'd never spoken to the press before, and of course

463
00:21:09,681 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 4: I made the mistake of saying, you come to the

464
00:21:13,201 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 4: Dolphin and get the same food that you get a

465
00:21:15,561 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 4: rock pool for half the price.

466
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,241
Speaker 1: And that's what they wrote. And I was like, oh

467
00:21:20,281 --> 00:21:23,321
Speaker 1: my god, I didn't know that.

468
00:21:23,321 --> 00:21:26,241
Speaker 4: That was my first lesson in like, watch what you say,

469
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,761
Speaker 4: because they're going to spin whatever you say to sell magazines,

470
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,441
Speaker 4: to sell whatever. But I was being honest, you know,

471
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,481
Speaker 4: and it was like it wasn't a bad thing.

472
00:21:35,521 --> 00:21:38,441
Speaker 1: But I wish I hadn't have said that, so I guess.

473
00:21:38,201 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 4: You know, the whole time I was in Sydney, I

474
00:21:41,681 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 4: mean the reality of it was that we would work

475
00:21:44,681 --> 00:21:48,441
Speaker 4: really hard as chefs and we would party all night.

476
00:21:49,201 --> 00:21:51,521
Speaker 4: I mean, this was the good part and the bad part,

477
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 4: right because we're working from eight until two in the

478
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,241
Speaker 4: morning sometimes and everyone else that we know is out.

479
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 4: So when I'd go out with my mates, we'd start

480
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,281
Speaker 4: off at like so Ho. Then we'd go underground and

481
00:22:05,321 --> 00:22:09,041
Speaker 4: then we'd go Zanzibar Dean's around to get some food

482
00:22:09,041 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 4: at Cafe Roma if it was still open it was

483
00:22:11,001 --> 00:22:15,481
Speaker 4: usually open pretty late. Then we would go to Hugo's Lounge.

484
00:22:16,001 --> 00:22:18,521
Speaker 4: Then we'd try to avoid the Cross because none of

485
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,281
Speaker 4: us actually wanted to walk through the freaking cross, of course,

486
00:22:21,321 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 4: because it was like a war zone. And we'd catch

487
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,361
Speaker 4: up with different people along the way. I'm sure everybody

488
00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:28,761
Speaker 4: did this, but you did your gay friends at the Aubrey,

489
00:22:28,801 --> 00:22:30,521
Speaker 4: and then you catch up with your girlfriends and go

490
00:22:30,561 --> 00:22:34,121
Speaker 4: to Globe and Arc when they'd let straight people in

491
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,241
Speaker 4: and then you know, it was five o'clock in the morning,

492
00:22:38,321 --> 00:22:40,761
Speaker 4: and then we go to Ice Box and it was

493
00:22:40,801 --> 00:22:43,881
Speaker 4: pumping everywhere everywhere you walk in. You'd either I mean

494
00:22:43,921 --> 00:22:47,521
Speaker 4: I never lined up, and then we'd go home, top up,

495
00:22:48,001 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 4: have a shower, get it together, and they go to

496
00:22:50,681 --> 00:22:52,761
Speaker 4: Black Market and then I mean that was on a

497
00:22:52,801 --> 00:22:55,921
Speaker 4: Sunday if we weren't working Otherwise we just go back

498
00:22:55,961 --> 00:22:59,801
Speaker 4: to work. Well that's what it was like, I'm not kidding.

499
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,361
Speaker 4: And everyone a vouched for this in Sydney. I mean,

500
00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 4: if you were going to bed, you were pretty fucking boring.

501
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 4: You didn't have many friends kind of there.

502
00:23:07,961 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, this was like all time. Even when I

503
00:23:11,001 --> 00:23:13,561
Speaker 1: was the head chef. In places like at the Dolphin,

504
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: we go out all night and go into work and

505
00:23:17,041 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: we were fine, like there was none of it.

506
00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:24,241
Speaker 2: We didn't the Dolphin in Hills Yeah yeah, okay, yeah.

507
00:23:24,321 --> 00:23:26,761
Speaker 4: So but I my thing is I did like very

508
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 4: sensible jobs, like when I when I finished at Fairs,

509
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,001
Speaker 4: then I did rock and roll catering for this guy

510
00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:37,521
Speaker 4: who was Johnny Diesel's brother. So all the bands that

511
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 4: came through the entertainment center we catered for.

512
00:23:40,201 --> 00:23:42,321
Speaker 1: I was the head chef, and we would do big

513
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,161
Speaker 1: day out as well.

514
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,801
Speaker 4: So and in the downtime we'd do really bad catering

515
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,761
Speaker 4: jobs in warehouses and crazy places. But when I did

516
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 4: rock and roll catering, it was full on, like I

517
00:23:55,721 --> 00:23:56,801
Speaker 4: would start even earlier.

518
00:23:56,801 --> 00:23:59,001
Speaker 1: I started at five am. I had to cook for

519
00:23:59,041 --> 00:24:01,761
Speaker 1: all the roadies, like I cooked for the Beastie boys

520
00:24:01,761 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 1: at the Horden.

521
00:24:02,921 --> 00:24:05,321
Speaker 2: Were you starstruck when you took when you were cooking

522
00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: for these people.

523
00:24:06,681 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 4: I was for the Beasties and the Chili Peppers and

524
00:24:10,561 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 4: you two and bands like that, of course. And you

525
00:24:13,921 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 4: know when I did Big Day out the Cult, like

526
00:24:16,801 --> 00:24:18,881
Speaker 4: one of my all time favorite.

527
00:24:18,481 --> 00:24:19,441
Speaker 2: Did you get to meet them all?

528
00:24:19,761 --> 00:24:21,481
Speaker 1: Yeah? Of course, yeah. Yeah.

529
00:24:21,921 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 4: I mean sometimes i'd be blase because I was so

530
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,041
Speaker 4: tired and kind of over it, like when I did

531
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 4: the Chili Peppers at the end send. I remember I

532
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,761
Speaker 4: used to smoke and i'd go outside for a cigarette.

533
00:24:32,801 --> 00:24:34,841
Speaker 4: So I remember i'd go and like I had access

534
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,001
Speaker 4: to all areas, passes to all these things and stuff,

535
00:24:38,001 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 4: which sounds pretty cool now, but at the time, I

536
00:24:40,441 --> 00:24:41,961
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, I don't gonna have time

537
00:24:42,041 --> 00:24:43,201
Speaker 4: to go out and see the band.

538
00:24:43,681 --> 00:24:46,241
Speaker 1: So I went outside and smoked a cigarette.

539
00:24:45,761 --> 00:24:48,121
Speaker 4: And there was like, you know, a million people out

540
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 4: there climbing over the fence, and people were throwing money

541
00:24:52,001 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 4: over the fence at me, going please let me in,

542
00:24:54,561 --> 00:24:57,721
Speaker 4: please me in, And I was like, nah, I want

543
00:24:57,761 --> 00:25:00,641
Speaker 4: to go home. I want to go You can come

544
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:01,961
Speaker 4: in here and I'll go home.

545
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: Kind of thing.

546
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 4: Like you become very blase about it, and you know,

547
00:25:05,761 --> 00:25:08,241
Speaker 4: it's a shame that we couldn't take photos back then

548
00:25:08,321 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 4: because we did do really amazing things.

549
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: Was there only time that while you're cooking that you

550
00:25:13,001 --> 00:25:16,561
Speaker 3: were like, because you say, like you're doing so many hours,

551
00:25:16,921 --> 00:25:19,681
Speaker 3: you sometimes we're a bit over it? Was there any

552
00:25:19,681 --> 00:25:22,961
Speaker 3: time that you've gone, maybe I should change my profession.

553
00:25:23,281 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: I'm a bit over this now.

554
00:25:25,281 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 4: Well, you know what I did was the waiters were

555
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:33,321
Speaker 4: making one thousand dollars in tips and one thousand dollars

556
00:25:33,561 --> 00:25:37,841
Speaker 4: in pay. It was around ninety five ish, so I

557
00:25:38,001 --> 00:25:41,041
Speaker 4: was making two grand a week. And the waiters who

558
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 4: had been at Bondo all day and fucked their boyfriend

559
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 4: and gone for a surf and stuff, would roll in

560
00:25:46,281 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 4: at seven at night and.

561
00:25:47,321 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: Go, I've been at Bondo all day, and you know,

562
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:50,961
Speaker 1: I had a great day.

563
00:25:51,041 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking I've been here since six am, and

564
00:25:53,921 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 4: they're making the same money as me.

565
00:25:56,321 --> 00:25:57,761
Speaker 1: So I thought, all right, I'm going to go on

566
00:25:57,761 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: the floor.

567
00:25:58,681 --> 00:26:00,801
Speaker 4: And I mean, the story with the dolphin is they

568
00:26:00,961 --> 00:26:03,281
Speaker 4: changed all my suppliers when I went away and I

569
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:06,321
Speaker 4: came back and I just couldn't make the food that

570
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 4: they like. They changed my suppliers. I was using a

571
00:26:09,241 --> 00:26:12,321
Speaker 4: great fruit and veg guy Matt Brown. I remember going

572
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 4: up to the office one day and I remember slamming

573
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,561
Speaker 4: the door open and going, pay the fucking bill so

574
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,561
Speaker 4: I can get some more fruit and veg because I'd

575
00:26:19,561 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 4: be you had to call up for an order, and

576
00:26:22,441 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 4: my mates who were doing it were like, I can't

577
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 4: bring you anymore until they pay the bills. And you know,

578
00:26:27,441 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 4: when you were a chef, the produce is everything, you know.

579
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:32,041
Speaker 4: I used to make all the chefs centermon and look

580
00:26:32,041 --> 00:26:35,521
Speaker 4: at the beautiful tomatoes, and let's give thanks for the

581
00:26:35,561 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 4: beautiful produce that we have.

582
00:26:37,521 --> 00:26:41,761
Speaker 3: Did chefs get on with chefs back then? Or did

583
00:26:41,921 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: have an ego and one didn't or that one, you

584
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:45,721
Speaker 3: know what I mean, the bigger ego.

585
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,561
Speaker 1: They all had egos. Like the ego thing really is

586
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: why I stopped doing it as well, because you know,

587
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: it was started to be like the whole celebrity chef

588
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,761
Speaker 1: thing and the magazines, Like I was in Gourmet magazine

589
00:26:57,801 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: and I suddenly had all these guys rolling up going

590
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:01,201
Speaker 1: I saw you in Gourmet.

591
00:27:01,281 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 4: I worked for Marker Pierre White, and I remember this

592
00:27:04,201 --> 00:27:06,241
Speaker 4: one guy he came and begged me for a job,

593
00:27:06,521 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 4: and I never sat down, so I'd always be chopping away,

594
00:27:10,481 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 4: and these chefs had come in with their resume and

595
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,561
Speaker 4: I didn't even look at the fucking resume. I go,

596
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,721
Speaker 4: all right, you can start either now or come back tomorrow.

597
00:27:18,041 --> 00:27:21,441
Speaker 1: And I'd give him a five minute task and I'd.

598
00:27:21,201 --> 00:27:23,161
Speaker 4: Go, okay, I want you to I said to this guy,

599
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 4: I want you to peel the pumpkins, put them in

600
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 4: the oven and cook them.

601
00:27:26,961 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: You know, not all the way through. And if they

602
00:27:29,481 --> 00:27:32,561
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, they didn't qualify and that was it.

603
00:27:33,321 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: And they go, well, I don't have the job, and

604
00:27:35,921 --> 00:27:37,801
Speaker 1: I'd go no, like he put them in the oven,

605
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,041
Speaker 1: he didn't turn the oven on, like we don't have

606
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:43,441
Speaker 1: time for this shit. That's what it was like. So yeah,

607
00:27:43,521 --> 00:27:44,281
Speaker 1: they get mad.

608
00:27:44,321 --> 00:27:46,321
Speaker 4: And this guy came in and said he was all that,

609
00:27:46,681 --> 00:27:50,881
Speaker 4: and I put him on my section and so he's like, yes, chef, yeah, I.

610
00:27:50,801 --> 00:27:51,921
Speaker 1: Can do it. I can do it.

611
00:27:52,041 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: You know.

612
00:27:52,241 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, you're going to be cooking two hundred steaks

613
00:27:54,281 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 4: like you had to be really strategic.

614
00:27:56,561 --> 00:27:58,401
Speaker 1: Anyway, this guy said he could.

615
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,801
Speaker 4: Do it, and then the ticker machine is going crazy

616
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,241
Speaker 4: because if you didn't start quickly on what you were doing.

617
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: You were fucked, you know, if you didn't.

618
00:28:06,441 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 4: Get the food up straight away, you're doing three hundred

619
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: people over from five until twelve. If you wait and

620
00:28:13,681 --> 00:28:16,161
Speaker 4: you don't and you don't send that food first.

621
00:28:16,521 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: That's a problem. That's your fucked.

622
00:28:19,481 --> 00:28:22,801
Speaker 4: And anyway, this guy was not doing anything. I used

623
00:28:22,801 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 4: to call it spinning, and I go, mate, let's go.

624
00:28:26,241 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 4: You said you could do it, and he just was fucked.

625
00:28:30,681 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 4: So I went in and there's this old chef thing

626
00:28:32,521 --> 00:28:34,801
Speaker 4: where you go into someone's section you just start throwing

627
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 4: shit around. And I had these dishes and I'd like

628
00:28:38,081 --> 00:28:40,881
Speaker 4: throw pans to them and I'd go pans and they'd

629
00:28:40,881 --> 00:28:43,041
Speaker 4: hop out of the way like they were really sweet.

630
00:28:43,041 --> 00:28:45,561
Speaker 4: I didn't deliberately hurt them. But you go in and

631
00:28:45,601 --> 00:28:48,321
Speaker 4: just start smashing things around, and eventually this person's going

632
00:28:48,401 --> 00:28:50,161
Speaker 4: to get over it because you start going, what the

633
00:28:50,201 --> 00:28:50,881
Speaker 4: fuck is this?

634
00:28:51,521 --> 00:28:54,601
Speaker 1: What the fuck are you doing? And this guy gets

635
00:28:54,641 --> 00:28:55,441
Speaker 1: his skateboard.

636
00:28:55,641 --> 00:28:58,161
Speaker 4: It was in the middle of Saturday night service and

637
00:28:58,281 --> 00:29:00,521
Speaker 4: just smack. I said, get the fuck out of here

638
00:29:01,041 --> 00:29:03,801
Speaker 4: kind of thing. It was do or die. We weren't

639
00:29:03,881 --> 00:29:07,321
Speaker 4: fucking around. He gets a skateboard and smashes it on

640
00:29:07,401 --> 00:29:09,801
Speaker 4: the side of the cool room and I just like

641
00:29:09,921 --> 00:29:13,041
Speaker 4: grabbed this guy, and my ex husband's going, Nick, Nick,

642
00:29:13,241 --> 00:29:13,801
Speaker 4: don't do it.

643
00:29:13,841 --> 00:29:15,921
Speaker 1: We're really busy, don't.

644
00:29:15,561 --> 00:29:18,361
Speaker 4: And I'm like, got this guy out on the fucking road.

645
00:29:19,241 --> 00:29:21,401
Speaker 4: You told me you could cook, And people are coming

646
00:29:21,401 --> 00:29:23,681
Speaker 4: into the restaurant like that's what I mean.

647
00:29:23,561 --> 00:29:26,241
Speaker 1: About the whole shit. So you were a Ramsey buck

648
00:29:26,241 --> 00:29:28,481
Speaker 1: then I probably was a bit.

649
00:29:29,441 --> 00:29:31,281
Speaker 4: I had a knife fight with this guy when I

650
00:29:31,321 --> 00:29:34,561
Speaker 4: was an apprentice. Like we'd been whining each other up

651
00:29:34,561 --> 00:29:37,641
Speaker 4: all day. We just both picked up our It was

652
00:29:37,681 --> 00:29:39,601
Speaker 4: only a pairy knife, but we both picked up our

653
00:29:39,641 --> 00:29:42,281
Speaker 4: pairy knives. And I remember Andrew was having dinner with

654
00:29:42,321 --> 00:29:45,001
Speaker 4: his girlfriend in the courtyard and could hear us yelling

655
00:29:45,001 --> 00:29:47,801
Speaker 4: at each other. And he comes in and opens the

656
00:29:47,841 --> 00:29:49,841
Speaker 4: door and goes, what the fuck you guy's doing?

657
00:29:50,601 --> 00:29:52,361
Speaker 1: And it's funny. I went home and sat on the

658
00:29:52,441 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: end of my parents' bed and I was crying. I

659
00:29:55,241 --> 00:29:56,081
Speaker 1: did this quite often.

660
00:29:56,121 --> 00:29:57,961
Speaker 4: At three in the morning. I'd just go and sit

661
00:29:58,001 --> 00:29:59,881
Speaker 4: on the end of my parents' bed after a really

662
00:30:00,001 --> 00:30:03,321
Speaker 4: you know, fifteen hour day. Dad would always wake up

663
00:30:03,321 --> 00:30:04,801
Speaker 4: and go what's wrong, And I'm.

664
00:30:04,641 --> 00:30:08,761
Speaker 1: Like, dabs a would oh my god, and he goes, oh,

665
00:30:08,801 --> 00:30:10,321
Speaker 1: thank god. I thought it was the car.

666
00:30:10,441 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 4: That's fine. So that's what my dad was like, He's like,

667
00:30:14,561 --> 00:30:17,761
Speaker 4: just keep going. Yeah, not the Kings would.

668
00:30:18,441 --> 00:30:22,601
Speaker 3: So when did you actually start doing celebrities Big Day?

669
00:30:22,641 --> 00:30:26,481
Speaker 4: Yea, I mean Courtney Love was there, hert was there

670
00:30:26,561 --> 00:30:28,881
Speaker 4: with her then. But then I ended up doing a

671
00:30:29,121 --> 00:30:31,561
Speaker 4: small gig for them in an apartment they were staying.

672
00:30:32,721 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: They asked you, like personally to do it for you.

673
00:30:34,601 --> 00:30:37,601
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So like my first gig was Boys to Men.

674
00:30:38,641 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: We get it, yeah, Boys to Men, And then I

675
00:30:41,561 --> 00:30:44,041
Speaker 4: did Tina Arena, which doesn't sound that exciting, but she

676
00:30:44,201 --> 00:30:47,001
Speaker 4: was so nice. That was at a studio, and then

677
00:30:47,081 --> 00:30:50,881
Speaker 4: we did Chili Peppers, Pearl Jam.

678
00:30:50,681 --> 00:30:53,081
Speaker 1: Madonna and you two were playing at the same So you're.

679
00:30:52,921 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 3: Actually doing the food at the concert for them, at

680
00:30:55,241 --> 00:30:58,161
Speaker 3: the private gig VIP for them or.

681
00:30:58,161 --> 00:31:00,761
Speaker 4: Well, there's a green room at the in and the Harden,

682
00:31:01,121 --> 00:31:03,681
Speaker 4: so the roadies set up in the morning around five,

683
00:31:03,841 --> 00:31:05,281
Speaker 4: so you've got to be there for them, so you

684
00:31:05,321 --> 00:31:08,881
Speaker 4: do muffins and all that, you do everything. I remember

685
00:31:08,921 --> 00:31:10,641
Speaker 4: Pants Hero, it was funny Pants Hero.

686
00:31:10,761 --> 00:31:11,921
Speaker 1: Okay, you know.

687
00:31:11,921 --> 00:31:14,681
Speaker 4: They go off and you know, I'd go to the

688
00:31:14,721 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 4: side of the stage because when these guys had come

689
00:31:17,281 --> 00:31:18,041
Speaker 4: in the green.

690
00:31:17,881 --> 00:31:21,001
Speaker 1: Room, they'd be like, can you make me an ex sandwich?

691
00:31:21,081 --> 00:31:22,841
Speaker 4: And then I'd go to the side of the stage

692
00:31:22,921 --> 00:31:26,161
Speaker 4: and these people are fucking going off like washing and

693
00:31:26,201 --> 00:31:29,121
Speaker 4: these guys are screaming, and then they come back in

694
00:31:29,161 --> 00:31:31,041
Speaker 4: and go, I just want to get like, you know,

695
00:31:31,121 --> 00:31:32,081
Speaker 4: do you have a hot chocolate?

696
00:31:32,161 --> 00:31:32,921
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, oh.

697
00:31:32,921 --> 00:31:34,681
Speaker 4: My god, I thought these guys were going to ask

698
00:31:34,681 --> 00:31:36,721
Speaker 4: me for something really crazy.

699
00:31:37,921 --> 00:31:40,241
Speaker 1: I remember going into Henry Rowland's.

700
00:31:40,081 --> 00:31:43,841
Speaker 4: Dressing room and he was naked working out, and I

701
00:31:43,921 --> 00:31:46,521
Speaker 4: had like a cheese platter and I remember standing there

702
00:31:47,081 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: and he's like, oh, you know, it's just like fully

703
00:31:49,561 --> 00:31:53,681
Speaker 4: naked and stuff. And I remember all the road managers

704
00:31:53,721 --> 00:31:56,401
Speaker 4: would come into the kitchen and they'd be like, can

705
00:31:56,441 --> 00:31:57,641
Speaker 4: you get some gear for us?

706
00:31:57,721 --> 00:31:58,961
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, I'm cooking.

707
00:31:59,601 --> 00:32:02,281
Speaker 4: I don't have time to get drugs for everybody, okay,

708
00:32:02,761 --> 00:32:04,761
Speaker 4: Like it was just so funny, and then as it

709
00:32:05,081 --> 00:32:06,881
Speaker 4: turned out, I was the one who had to like

710
00:32:07,041 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 4: organize everything. This is full like whole and you know,

711
00:32:11,681 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 4: when Kurt was with her when she was touring ministry

712
00:32:16,001 --> 00:32:18,281
Speaker 4: and then they get the shits because someone so got

713
00:32:18,321 --> 00:32:20,401
Speaker 4: more coke than the other person.

714
00:32:20,681 --> 00:32:23,161
Speaker 1: And like, I'm supposed to be cooking here and people

715
00:32:23,201 --> 00:32:25,441
Speaker 1: are coming in and going, you know, we didn't get

716
00:32:25,521 --> 00:32:28,561
Speaker 1: enough pot or whatever. And I was just like, oh,

717
00:32:28,601 --> 00:32:30,841
Speaker 1: you know, like you don't give a fuck anymore who

718
00:32:30,881 --> 00:32:33,761
Speaker 1: it is. You're just like, can you guys like do

719
00:32:33,801 --> 00:32:36,721
Speaker 1: this because I'm trying to cook. And then I cooked

720
00:32:36,721 --> 00:32:38,201
Speaker 1: for the Australian ambassadors.

721
00:32:38,361 --> 00:32:39,321
Speaker 2: How did you get that gig?

722
00:32:40,081 --> 00:32:43,041
Speaker 4: So my friend Shauna was she was related to the

723
00:32:43,081 --> 00:32:46,401
Speaker 4: ambassador's wife, fucker, and you know, I was righting the

724
00:32:46,441 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 4: party stage at this stage, and she just rang me up.

725
00:32:49,561 --> 00:32:51,201
Speaker 4: This is before nine to eleven, and she goes, mate,

726
00:32:51,201 --> 00:32:53,361
Speaker 4: do you want my job? You know, I'm cooking for

727
00:32:53,441 --> 00:32:56,361
Speaker 4: the eussy ambassador. I'm going to go to Thailand. I'm like, yeah,

728
00:32:56,521 --> 00:32:59,041
Speaker 4: can I bring my boyfriend? She's like yeah, And then

729
00:32:59,041 --> 00:33:02,281
Speaker 4: we get a phone call saying, oh, the Australian government

730
00:33:02,321 --> 00:33:05,121
Speaker 4: don't recognize the factor relationships, so you guys will have

731
00:33:05,201 --> 00:33:08,401
Speaker 4: to be married. And I'm just like, oh my god,

732
00:33:08,561 --> 00:33:10,681
Speaker 4: Like I wasn't planning on being with this guy or

733
00:33:10,721 --> 00:33:13,121
Speaker 4: getting married to him or anything like. It was just

734
00:33:13,201 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 4: my sous chef and we and we shagged kind of

735
00:33:15,961 --> 00:33:17,321
Speaker 4: thing anyway.

736
00:33:17,641 --> 00:33:19,961
Speaker 1: So I got talked into it stupidly.

737
00:33:20,121 --> 00:33:21,881
Speaker 4: I mean, I shouldn't have done it because it was

738
00:33:21,921 --> 00:33:24,761
Speaker 4: just so unnecessary. And you know, I rang my mom

739
00:33:24,801 --> 00:33:27,561
Speaker 4: and said I'm getting married. You know, I haven't spoken

740
00:33:27,601 --> 00:33:29,801
Speaker 4: to my mom for like a few weeks. And suddenly,

741
00:33:30,041 --> 00:33:32,441
Speaker 4: you know, this is how crazy I was. She goes, oh,

742
00:33:32,761 --> 00:33:35,641
Speaker 4: who do And I'm like, just this guy I've been

743
00:33:35,681 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 4: seeing for a while. And Mom's like, do not get married. Like,

744
00:33:38,761 --> 00:33:42,081
Speaker 4: my parents are very sensible, do not get married. You know,

745
00:33:42,281 --> 00:33:45,321
Speaker 4: they they've got assets and shit. But when you're twenty five,

746
00:33:45,361 --> 00:33:47,521
Speaker 4: you're not you know, you're not really thinking about it.

747
00:33:48,121 --> 00:33:51,881
Speaker 1: So anyway, we got married at the registry office. Yeah,

748
00:33:52,241 --> 00:33:52,961
Speaker 1: so stupid.

749
00:33:53,681 --> 00:33:56,401
Speaker 4: My friends showed up and you know, I remember there

750
00:33:56,441 --> 00:33:59,721
Speaker 4: was this Hawaiian freeze. He was real n we knew

751
00:33:59,721 --> 00:34:03,561
Speaker 4: what we were, okay. Anyway, so I got there and

752
00:34:03,601 --> 00:34:05,801
Speaker 4: it was full on like we lived in the residence.

753
00:34:05,801 --> 00:34:08,521
Speaker 4: We got picked up in a limo and yeah, we

754
00:34:08,561 --> 00:34:10,361
Speaker 4: got taken to the ambassador's house.

755
00:34:10,441 --> 00:34:13,801
Speaker 1: But he was really cool. He was the youngest diplomat

756
00:34:13,881 --> 00:34:18,121
Speaker 1: or ambassador ambassador to ever be appointed, and he was cool.

757
00:34:18,201 --> 00:34:21,481
Speaker 4: He'd come home and walk to the kitchen and go honey,

758
00:34:21,481 --> 00:34:23,601
Speaker 4: I'm home, what's for dinner? Kind of It was like

759
00:34:23,681 --> 00:34:27,081
Speaker 4: being in Australia and Lisa, his wife, was really cool.

760
00:34:27,161 --> 00:34:29,161
Speaker 4: Like I'd go up to you know and hang out

761
00:34:29,161 --> 00:34:30,761
Speaker 4: and go, what do you guys want for dinner? Like

762
00:34:30,801 --> 00:34:33,401
Speaker 4: it was just very late back, but we would still

763
00:34:33,441 --> 00:34:37,481
Speaker 4: do functions. We'd do mainly lunches in the house for

764
00:34:37,721 --> 00:34:42,401
Speaker 4: presidents and heads of state and people like that. And

765
00:34:42,441 --> 00:34:44,721
Speaker 4: then I did a function at the embassy for eight

766
00:34:44,841 --> 00:34:45,601
Speaker 4: hundred people for.

767
00:34:45,601 --> 00:34:46,081
Speaker 2: All of them.

768
00:34:46,121 --> 00:34:48,681
Speaker 3: Well, when you say eight hundred people, how many staff

769
00:34:48,681 --> 00:34:49,601
Speaker 3: would you have to have for that?

770
00:34:49,681 --> 00:34:52,601
Speaker 4: In the kitchen it was all the countries of the Commonwealth, right,

771
00:34:52,721 --> 00:34:54,441
Speaker 4: So I had to go and have meetings with all

772
00:34:54,441 --> 00:34:58,241
Speaker 4: the other chefs from the other consulates. So they got

773
00:34:58,281 --> 00:35:01,401
Speaker 4: to choose a dish that they wanted to do from

774
00:35:01,441 --> 00:35:04,601
Speaker 4: their country, right. So this New Zealand chef and like,

775
00:35:04,601 --> 00:35:06,521
Speaker 4: I don't want sound bitchy, but a lot of these

776
00:35:06,561 --> 00:35:09,881
Speaker 4: diplomatic chefs are just like this guy's wearing like a

777
00:35:09,921 --> 00:35:14,481
Speaker 4: paper chef's hat. The cool chefs don't wear freaking chef's hats.

778
00:35:14,481 --> 00:35:17,001
Speaker 4: And he had this sweat brow. But anyway, you know,

779
00:35:17,041 --> 00:35:18,761
Speaker 4: I was, you know, I had a huge ego. Then

780
00:35:18,801 --> 00:35:20,081
Speaker 4: I was like, who the fuck are you and what

781
00:35:20,121 --> 00:35:22,001
Speaker 4: are you gonna do? He goes, I'm going to do

782
00:35:22,081 --> 00:35:24,801
Speaker 4: pig on a spit And I'm like, why wouldn't you

783
00:35:24,801 --> 00:35:27,561
Speaker 4: do lamb? You're from New Zealand, what are you talking about.

784
00:35:27,601 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 4: He's like he was adamant about doing pig on a spit.

785
00:35:30,561 --> 00:35:32,801
Speaker 4: So I thought, fuck it, I'll do Australian lamb. And

786
00:35:33,361 --> 00:35:35,281
Speaker 4: you know, I just got everybody to choose a thing.

787
00:35:35,441 --> 00:35:38,321
Speaker 4: So we all roll up to the kitchen and everyone's

788
00:35:38,321 --> 00:35:40,281
Speaker 4: doing their thing, and I said to the guy wears

789
00:35:40,281 --> 00:35:42,361
Speaker 4: the spits for the pig and if we got to

790
00:35:42,521 --> 00:35:43,561
Speaker 4: order them, if.

791
00:35:43,481 --> 00:35:45,401
Speaker 1: You got to order them, and it looked like death

792
00:35:45,441 --> 00:35:47,281
Speaker 1: fucking row. There was like thirty.

793
00:35:47,001 --> 00:35:49,881
Speaker 4: Pigs or something lined up on the bench. So, in

794
00:35:50,041 --> 00:35:53,041
Speaker 4: true chef form, I turned everybody against him. It's like

795
00:35:53,121 --> 00:35:57,561
Speaker 4: this prison mentality again. You're just so fucking pissed off

796
00:35:57,601 --> 00:36:00,521
Speaker 4: because this is on you, like we're this is a

797
00:36:00,561 --> 00:36:04,601
Speaker 4: representation of Australia and this guy, this key, we guys

798
00:36:04,641 --> 00:36:07,881
Speaker 4: fucking up for me, Like you become very like.

799
00:36:08,081 --> 00:36:09,041
Speaker 2: Don't you do all the pigs?

800
00:36:09,081 --> 00:36:11,081
Speaker 4: Then you know what I did. I got all the

801
00:36:11,161 --> 00:36:14,681
Speaker 4: chefs together. I said, get out your boning knives. We're

802
00:36:14,721 --> 00:36:17,521
Speaker 4: boning pigs. So I showed them because I boned out

803
00:36:17,601 --> 00:36:18,841
Speaker 4: lambs at Babes Pavilion.

804
00:36:18,881 --> 00:36:21,281
Speaker 1: We used to get whole lambs. You follow the bone

805
00:36:21,441 --> 00:36:22,521
Speaker 1: of the.

806
00:36:22,521 --> 00:36:25,561
Speaker 4: Animal and you break it down to pieces as big

807
00:36:26,041 --> 00:36:28,041
Speaker 4: and I cooked it in the brat pan, which is

808
00:36:28,041 --> 00:36:30,281
Speaker 4: like a big fry pan, and instead of doing pig

809
00:36:30,321 --> 00:36:32,361
Speaker 4: on a spit, that's how I did it. But these

810
00:36:32,441 --> 00:36:35,801
Speaker 4: chefs they've never boned out a freaking pig before, and

811
00:36:35,881 --> 00:36:38,761
Speaker 4: it's really hard, like they have really tough skin and stuff.

812
00:36:39,721 --> 00:36:43,161
Speaker 4: And I did it, and these chefs were just like,

813
00:36:43,281 --> 00:36:46,401
Speaker 4: who the fuck is this? Like crocodile on dye cheek,

814
00:36:46,601 --> 00:36:49,281
Speaker 4: Like she just pulls out a knife and starts like

815
00:36:49,841 --> 00:36:52,721
Speaker 4: hacking away at these pigs, trying to We didn't have

816
00:36:52,801 --> 00:36:56,241
Speaker 4: time for this anyway. And then I remember Paul Keating

817
00:36:56,321 --> 00:36:58,201
Speaker 4: coming into the kitchener going that was the best pig

818
00:36:58,241 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 4: on a spit I've ever had. And I was like,

819
00:37:00,561 --> 00:37:03,321
Speaker 4: Oh my god, if only people knew the shit, the

820
00:37:03,441 --> 00:37:04,801
Speaker 4: shit that we have to go through.

821
00:37:05,041 --> 00:37:06,401
Speaker 2: Is there any jealousy in the kitchens?

822
00:37:06,641 --> 00:37:09,481
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, people probably hated me.

823
00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:11,681
Speaker 4: I mean, one good thing that came out of the

824
00:37:11,761 --> 00:37:14,641
Speaker 4: dolphin before I left, Like when I went away and

825
00:37:14,681 --> 00:37:19,281
Speaker 4: they changed all my suppliers. I actually went up to Chris,

826
00:37:19,321 --> 00:37:22,041
Speaker 4: my ex husband. This guy tried to snake my job.

827
00:37:22,561 --> 00:37:26,201
Speaker 4: This idiot I left in charge who the owner recommended.

828
00:37:26,281 --> 00:37:28,921
Speaker 4: So I was being stitched up, obviously, but I didn't

829
00:37:28,921 --> 00:37:31,561
Speaker 4: realize it was stupid. Went on a holiday to BALI

830
00:37:31,681 --> 00:37:35,241
Speaker 4: came back. My mates like Buzzer and Philippa. As soon

831
00:37:35,321 --> 00:37:36,881
Speaker 4: as I got to the door, they're like, mate, they're

832
00:37:36,881 --> 00:37:38,561
Speaker 4: trying to get rid of you. And you know there's

833
00:37:38,641 --> 00:37:41,201
Speaker 4: green fucking bananas and green and it's just shit, you

834
00:37:41,281 --> 00:37:42,201
Speaker 4: gotta go, you gotta go.

835
00:37:43,001 --> 00:37:45,081
Speaker 1: And so I remember getting this green tomato.

836
00:37:45,201 --> 00:37:47,681
Speaker 4: I was so fucking angry, and I went into this

837
00:37:47,801 --> 00:37:50,201
Speaker 4: meeting with all the border directors and just smashed it

838
00:37:50,241 --> 00:37:53,361
Speaker 4: onto the table and it was just like, I can't

839
00:37:53,401 --> 00:37:56,561
Speaker 4: make a red sauce out of a green tomato. We

840
00:37:56,641 --> 00:38:01,041
Speaker 4: need produce that's ready to go. And so they said,

841
00:38:01,041 --> 00:38:03,401
Speaker 4: we're not changing it, we're not paying your suppliers. So

842
00:38:03,481 --> 00:38:05,601
Speaker 4: I went to my ex husband and said were going.

843
00:38:06,161 --> 00:38:08,201
Speaker 4: And he was always like the calm one and I

844
00:38:08,281 --> 00:38:10,521
Speaker 4: was the fiery one, and he goes, no, let's finish.

845
00:38:10,561 --> 00:38:13,161
Speaker 4: It was Saturday afternoon. He goes, let's do service, Let's

846
00:38:13,161 --> 00:38:15,801
Speaker 4: do the right thing, let's finish. So I rang my

847
00:38:15,881 --> 00:38:18,641
Speaker 4: mates and got everyone jobs, all the kitchen stuff. Well,

848
00:38:18,641 --> 00:38:21,241
Speaker 4: there was only four of us and a dishy. So

849
00:38:21,281 --> 00:38:23,601
Speaker 4: I rang my mates and so, can you employ these

850
00:38:23,681 --> 00:38:28,201
Speaker 4: kids for me? We're going tonight, And we cleaned the kitchen.

851
00:38:28,281 --> 00:38:31,441
Speaker 4: I got all the recipe cars, all of the menus,

852
00:38:31,801 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 4: everything that I didn't steal anything, but these were things

853
00:38:34,521 --> 00:38:36,241
Speaker 4: that my staff had brought to the place.

854
00:38:36,881 --> 00:38:38,841
Speaker 1: And yeah, we just had a party at my house.

855
00:38:38,881 --> 00:38:40,681
Speaker 1: And then the next day they would have had no

856
00:38:40,801 --> 00:38:42,881
Speaker 1: chefs and they would have had to employ chefs at

857
00:38:42,921 --> 00:38:45,361
Speaker 1: fifty dollars an hour from chefs on the run, and

858
00:38:45,401 --> 00:38:48,081
Speaker 1: then they went broke. They should have listened to me

859
00:38:48,201 --> 00:38:50,761
Speaker 1: when I said, look, it's costing more right now, but

860
00:38:50,801 --> 00:38:53,481
Speaker 1: it will pay off in the long run. But like

861
00:38:53,561 --> 00:38:58,241
Speaker 1: the jealousy with that was, you know, I guess other

862
00:38:58,641 --> 00:39:02,921
Speaker 1: chefs coming in when I was in Gourmet magazine and you.

863
00:39:02,801 --> 00:39:06,081
Speaker 4: Know, we were we were pretty with each other though

864
00:39:06,161 --> 00:39:08,241
Speaker 4: back then. I mean it was Kylie Kwong. I worked

865
00:39:08,241 --> 00:39:11,921
Speaker 4: with Kylie when I worked for Neil. You know, Bills

866
00:39:11,961 --> 00:39:15,441
Speaker 4: had just started you know, we all really appreciated, and

867
00:39:15,481 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 4: you know, I'm probably not in their caliber because I

868
00:39:18,681 --> 00:39:22,281
Speaker 4: wasn't really. I actually hated the press. I thought there

869
00:39:22,281 --> 00:39:25,081
Speaker 4: were a bunch of assholes actually. And I remember this

870
00:39:25,201 --> 00:39:28,201
Speaker 4: other chef, Paul Merini. Now, this guy had a reputation

871
00:39:28,441 --> 00:39:32,881
Speaker 4: as like slamming people into the wall, right, Like everyone

872
00:39:32,961 --> 00:39:35,361
Speaker 4: was terrified of this guy. And he was the first

873
00:39:35,401 --> 00:39:38,321
Speaker 4: one to wear the butcher's apron. Only chefs will understand this.

874
00:39:38,801 --> 00:39:41,321
Speaker 4: He started wearing this butcher's apron, and then I started

875
00:39:41,321 --> 00:39:44,161
Speaker 4: wearing I'm not I'm just saying that's that's what happened.

876
00:39:44,401 --> 00:39:46,041
Speaker 1: But he used to come in and say to me,

877
00:39:46,121 --> 00:39:46,961
Speaker 1: this is the best food.

878
00:39:47,641 --> 00:39:50,721
Speaker 4: And when it'd be like if like a tough guy

879
00:39:51,401 --> 00:39:53,601
Speaker 4: came to you and said, you know, you're like the

880
00:39:53,601 --> 00:39:56,241
Speaker 4: best fighter or something, if you were like a martial

881
00:39:56,361 --> 00:39:59,401
Speaker 4: arts fighter, like the best fighter or the scariest one

882
00:39:59,801 --> 00:40:01,601
Speaker 4: coming to you and going, I like your style, and

883
00:40:01,641 --> 00:40:04,681
Speaker 4: I'd be like, this guy's notorious for trying to kill

884
00:40:04,721 --> 00:40:08,641
Speaker 4: his stf, like slamming them into the cool room, and shit,

885
00:40:08,681 --> 00:40:09,881
Speaker 4: that's what it was like back then.

886
00:40:11,081 --> 00:40:12,441
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was violent.

887
00:40:13,921 --> 00:40:16,401
Speaker 3: Is there any chef, well known chef that you would

888
00:40:16,441 --> 00:40:18,281
Speaker 3: like to work with or on that.

889
00:40:18,881 --> 00:40:23,001
Speaker 1: Oh Marco Pierre White, for sure, Yeah, for sure, you

890
00:40:23,041 --> 00:40:26,481
Speaker 1: know on the show where he makes everyone go yes Marco, yes, smart,

891
00:40:26,521 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: I think he's hot. I had a sex stream about

892
00:40:28,561 --> 00:40:34,721
Speaker 1: him and I was going, yes, Marco, yes, I thought

893
00:40:34,761 --> 00:40:36,721
Speaker 1: it was hot, like we're.

894
00:40:36,521 --> 00:40:40,681
Speaker 4: In a demented way, in a demented way. It was

895
00:40:40,721 --> 00:40:43,881
Speaker 4: actually very kind of sexual in the kitchen, like we

896
00:40:43,961 --> 00:40:47,081
Speaker 4: get turned on by stuff like sometimes you go in

897
00:40:47,121 --> 00:40:49,081
Speaker 4: the kitchen. I mean, I don't want to say, but

898
00:40:49,121 --> 00:40:51,361
Speaker 4: a famous chef did grab me in the cool room

899
00:40:51,401 --> 00:40:53,881
Speaker 4: and I ended up having to leave. Things like that

900
00:40:53,881 --> 00:40:56,401
Speaker 4: would happen. It's kind of like, I don't know. I

901
00:40:56,401 --> 00:40:57,681
Speaker 4: guess it's like when you work in.

902
00:40:57,641 --> 00:41:01,121
Speaker 1: A bar and a nightclub and you'rell you know, you're working,

903
00:41:01,241 --> 00:41:03,881
Speaker 1: you're hot and you're sweaty and stuff, and it's sexy

904
00:41:04,041 --> 00:41:08,801
Speaker 1: and like grabbing each other and they kind of actually

905
00:41:08,841 --> 00:41:10,841
Speaker 1: had plenty of checks out there grabbing you.

906
00:41:10,841 --> 00:41:14,481
Speaker 3: You know, what about a venue that you'd like you

907
00:41:14,521 --> 00:41:16,561
Speaker 3: wish you had worked that? Is there any venue I'd

908
00:41:16,561 --> 00:41:18,121
Speaker 3: be going, wish you got to be in a head

909
00:41:18,201 --> 00:41:18,961
Speaker 3: chef for that venue?

910
00:41:19,441 --> 00:41:23,001
Speaker 1: Probably here goes is that one? Yeah? Well, I ended

911
00:41:23,081 --> 00:41:23,601
Speaker 1: up I.

912
00:41:23,561 --> 00:41:25,601
Speaker 4: Think I did a shift there in the kitchen and

913
00:41:25,641 --> 00:41:27,281
Speaker 4: then I ended up working on the floor because the

914
00:41:27,281 --> 00:41:30,361
Speaker 4: floor was way cooler, all right, And I was living

915
00:41:30,361 --> 00:41:33,721
Speaker 4: in the hotel room aboff, so it was another place

916
00:41:33,721 --> 00:41:35,921
Speaker 4: where I just rolled in the door, and Dave was

917
00:41:36,001 --> 00:41:39,081
Speaker 4: very good to me. He was very kind to me

918
00:41:39,201 --> 00:41:42,121
Speaker 4: because I it sounds so stupid, but I was trying

919
00:41:42,121 --> 00:41:44,761
Speaker 4: to get away from my boyfriend and I'd started working

920
00:41:44,761 --> 00:41:47,201
Speaker 4: there and my boyfriend was insane, and I said to him,

921
00:41:47,241 --> 00:41:47,561
Speaker 4: is there.

922
00:41:47,481 --> 00:41:50,081
Speaker 1: Any rooms in the hotel? Can you hook me up?

923
00:41:51,041 --> 00:41:53,841
Speaker 1: And he goes yeah, And then my boyfriend ended up

924
00:41:53,881 --> 00:41:57,001
Speaker 1: moving into the hotel room with me, and I was

925
00:41:57,041 --> 00:41:59,601
Speaker 1: trying to get away from him, but I couldn't. But

926
00:41:59,761 --> 00:42:00,841
Speaker 1: Dave was really good to me.

927
00:42:01,161 --> 00:42:03,881
Speaker 4: And you know, if I could have been the head

928
00:42:03,961 --> 00:42:09,561
Speaker 4: chef in that place instead of Pete, that would have

929
00:42:09,601 --> 00:42:13,161
Speaker 4: been perfect because it was just such a cool venue.

930
00:42:13,321 --> 00:42:18,361
Speaker 4: Obviously it was very high profile and those boys were good, like.

931
00:42:18,481 --> 00:42:22,561
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, things went on, but I do remember.

932
00:42:22,241 --> 00:42:25,361
Speaker 4: They were very stylish and the toilet there was a

933
00:42:25,481 --> 00:42:31,241
Speaker 4: sign saying, you know, don't do drugs, drink champagne instead.

934
00:42:31,361 --> 00:42:33,081
Speaker 1: And I actually thought it was really cool.

935
00:42:33,401 --> 00:42:35,961
Speaker 4: Like I thought they're really promoting not that you know,

936
00:42:36,001 --> 00:42:37,001
Speaker 4: they're promoting alcohol.

937
00:42:37,401 --> 00:42:39,521
Speaker 1: They're going to make more money off alcohol, aren't they.

938
00:42:39,681 --> 00:42:40,961
Speaker 1: But I just thought it was very cool.

939
00:42:41,001 --> 00:42:42,961
Speaker 4: And I remember I had to stand in there sometimes

940
00:42:43,201 --> 00:42:44,441
Speaker 4: spay girls with perfume.

941
00:42:45,081 --> 00:42:46,801
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of cute. You know, like

942
00:42:46,841 --> 00:42:47,841
Speaker 1: they knew how to.

943
00:42:47,761 --> 00:42:51,281
Speaker 4: Look after people, and they the guys on the door,

944
00:42:51,321 --> 00:42:54,081
Speaker 4: would never let any riff raff in. I think you

945
00:42:54,121 --> 00:42:58,841
Speaker 4: had a story about Hugoes and how like they wouldn't let.

946
00:42:58,721 --> 00:43:03,321
Speaker 1: You int they wanted. They wanted the smooth.

947
00:43:03,361 --> 00:43:07,481
Speaker 3: They wanted the smooth, and that they're the sexy looking crowd,

948
00:43:07,561 --> 00:43:09,241
Speaker 3: the small atique.

949
00:43:09,841 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, like these days they'd be the influencers, but back

950
00:43:13,481 --> 00:43:15,721
Speaker 4: then they were just you know, they were the cool

951
00:43:15,921 --> 00:43:17,401
Speaker 4: kids and stuff.

952
00:43:17,441 --> 00:43:19,241
Speaker 1: But it was always very stylish.

953
00:43:19,361 --> 00:43:21,281
Speaker 4: He goes, I mean, if I would love to have

954
00:43:21,321 --> 00:43:24,321
Speaker 4: a venue like that. I mean the only place that

955
00:43:24,361 --> 00:43:27,321
Speaker 4: I had I recently had my own business. It was

956
00:43:27,361 --> 00:43:30,561
Speaker 4: a little sushi place that I built myself, not you know,

957
00:43:30,601 --> 00:43:35,481
Speaker 4: I paid builders to build and I did it for

958
00:43:35,641 --> 00:43:37,361
Speaker 4: my dad. I thought he'd be really proud of me,

959
00:43:37,401 --> 00:43:40,081
Speaker 4: but he didn't show up. And I said, they're crying

960
00:43:40,121 --> 00:43:40,761
Speaker 4: every day.

961
00:43:42,041 --> 00:43:42,721
Speaker 2: You never seen it?

962
00:43:44,001 --> 00:43:46,281
Speaker 1: Wow, Oh my god, I'm gonna suck up.

963
00:43:47,121 --> 00:43:52,521
Speaker 2: Wow? Not once? Did he come? How long did you

964
00:43:52,561 --> 00:43:52,881
Speaker 2: have it? For?

965
00:43:54,681 --> 00:43:55,201
Speaker 1: Like a year?

966
00:43:56,481 --> 00:43:58,321
Speaker 2: And that's why you did it? So your dad could

967
00:43:58,361 --> 00:43:58,921
Speaker 2: come and see you.

968
00:43:59,321 --> 00:44:04,161
Speaker 1: It was really sad, but you know he's just like that,

969
00:44:05,761 --> 00:44:06,561
Speaker 1: So I sold it.

970
00:44:07,201 --> 00:44:08,521
Speaker 2: What about your mom? Did she come?

971
00:44:09,121 --> 00:44:09,841
Speaker 1: Yeah? She came.

972
00:44:10,881 --> 00:44:12,881
Speaker 2: What was the reason why your dad wouldn't come?

973
00:44:13,041 --> 00:44:19,241
Speaker 1: He was too busy? Wow, it's fine. He's just a

974
00:44:19,321 --> 00:44:21,121
Speaker 1: tough guy. You know. He didn't want to.

975
00:44:21,801 --> 00:44:23,961
Speaker 4: He sort of wrote me off and he's you know

976
00:44:24,041 --> 00:44:26,961
Speaker 4: these old guys. Once, once they write you off, then

977
00:44:27,001 --> 00:44:29,241
Speaker 4: I go back, do you know what I mean?

978
00:44:30,041 --> 00:44:32,881
Speaker 2: But I won't pray into it too much.

979
00:44:32,881 --> 00:44:36,161
Speaker 3: But like, is your dad showing appreciations of what you've

980
00:44:36,201 --> 00:44:36,961
Speaker 3: done in your career?

981
00:44:38,921 --> 00:44:39,321
Speaker 2: Is he proud?

982
00:44:39,601 --> 00:44:41,081
Speaker 1: Very smart? To my dad?

983
00:44:41,241 --> 00:44:43,761
Speaker 4: Like he used to be the Dangerous Goods officer for

984
00:44:43,841 --> 00:44:47,601
Speaker 4: the whole of Queensland, right, So he's a chemical expert.

985
00:44:47,681 --> 00:44:51,521
Speaker 4: He's that guy that you call when there's a disaster.

986
00:44:52,801 --> 00:44:56,441
Speaker 4: You know, he's an expert in sulfuricide. You know, sulfur

987
00:44:56,481 --> 00:45:00,441
Speaker 4: dioxide and what happens if a train is carrying that

988
00:45:00,481 --> 00:45:03,881
Speaker 4: and it comes off the tracks and the corrosives, and

989
00:45:03,961 --> 00:45:05,881
Speaker 4: you know he's gonna like you like two million.

990
00:45:06,681 --> 00:45:10,161
Speaker 1: So he's he looks at me like, oh my god,

991
00:45:10,321 --> 00:45:12,921
Speaker 1: what is she doing now? And why is she a chef?

992
00:45:13,001 --> 00:45:14,921
Speaker 4: And at first he was really into it, but he

993
00:45:15,041 --> 00:45:20,481
Speaker 4: knew that I was being exploited, okay, so he couldn't.

994
00:45:20,641 --> 00:45:23,201
Speaker 4: He's very smart, right, he doesn't want to be a

995
00:45:23,241 --> 00:45:23,801
Speaker 4: part of that.

996
00:45:24,081 --> 00:45:27,321
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to look like he encouraged that. So

997
00:45:27,521 --> 00:45:28,521
Speaker 1: now he's.

998
00:45:28,361 --> 00:45:30,721
Speaker 2: Like, there's never been to any of the restaurants. You've worked there?

999
00:45:30,761 --> 00:45:31,801
Speaker 2: What you've been working there?

1000
00:45:33,601 --> 00:45:36,641
Speaker 1: No, my dear, A lot of them were in Sydney.

1001
00:45:37,081 --> 00:45:39,201
Speaker 4: My auntie who was a nun, she turned up with

1002
00:45:39,201 --> 00:45:41,241
Speaker 4: the dolphin one day because she lived in Sydney. She

1003
00:45:41,401 --> 00:45:43,721
Speaker 4: was fucking cool man. She was really cool. She's like

1004
00:45:43,761 --> 00:45:44,801
Speaker 4: the only one who showed up.

1005
00:45:45,361 --> 00:45:46,721
Speaker 1: My brother showed up at my.

1006
00:45:46,801 --> 00:45:49,841
Speaker 4: Business because it was right behind my house, and like,

1007
00:45:49,881 --> 00:45:51,481
Speaker 4: I don't want to bag out my family, but I

1008
00:45:51,521 --> 00:45:54,241
Speaker 4: was kind of disappointed, you know, and I was I

1009
00:45:54,321 --> 00:45:56,681
Speaker 4: did everything on my own, Like I put about fifty

1010
00:45:56,761 --> 00:45:57,841
Speaker 4: k into this place.

1011
00:45:57,921 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: I was going to buy the cafe next door.

1012
00:46:00,441 --> 00:46:02,841
Speaker 4: This was only like two years ago, and I got

1013
00:46:02,841 --> 00:46:05,601
Speaker 4: my accountant to go through the books and just didn't

1014
00:46:05,641 --> 00:46:08,681
Speaker 4: add up. So there was a little shop next door,

1015
00:46:08,721 --> 00:46:11,321
Speaker 4: and I had the momentum, and in the back of

1016
00:46:11,361 --> 00:46:14,001
Speaker 4: my mind because my dad had been so over me

1017
00:46:14,121 --> 00:46:16,841
Speaker 4: for so long, I thought his time's running out, like

1018
00:46:17,201 --> 00:46:19,161
Speaker 4: I have to do this, and it's always a stupid

1019
00:46:19,161 --> 00:46:22,441
Speaker 4: business idea to do things in a hurry. So I

1020
00:46:22,561 --> 00:46:26,281
Speaker 4: found out about the cafe, how they lied about the books,

1021
00:46:26,281 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: as everyone does.

1022
00:46:27,041 --> 00:46:28,161
Speaker 1: But I just didn't want to go there.

1023
00:46:28,761 --> 00:46:33,161
Speaker 4: So from say January to I did it in eight weeks,

1024
00:46:33,481 --> 00:46:36,401
Speaker 4: Like I did the whole thing, the fit out everything

1025
00:46:37,001 --> 00:46:40,121
Speaker 4: in eight weeks and opened all by myself. I did everything,

1026
00:46:40,161 --> 00:46:42,681
Speaker 4: and like, I'm not the smartest person in the world.

1027
00:46:43,041 --> 00:46:45,641
Speaker 4: Luckily my mate's a lawyer and he works for free

1028
00:46:45,721 --> 00:46:50,321
Speaker 4: for me. Shout out to Jamie. Without him, I couldn't

1029
00:46:50,321 --> 00:46:55,161
Speaker 4: have done it anyway. So I did that, and I

1030
00:46:55,201 --> 00:46:57,881
Speaker 4: did everything myself. So it was a little sushi place,

1031
00:46:58,401 --> 00:46:59,201
Speaker 4: and I thought.

1032
00:46:59,001 --> 00:47:00,201
Speaker 1: How hard can it be? Right?

1033
00:47:00,321 --> 00:47:03,161
Speaker 4: Oh, my god, it was hard. I did everything. I

1034
00:47:03,201 --> 00:47:05,521
Speaker 4: went to the shops every morning or ordered in. I

1035
00:47:05,561 --> 00:47:08,321
Speaker 4: made all this sushi for two schools, which was three

1036
00:47:08,441 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 4: hundred rolls of sushi a day, and then I serve

1037
00:47:12,561 --> 00:47:15,641
Speaker 4: the customers and I waited on the car. I had

1038
00:47:15,641 --> 00:47:17,761
Speaker 4: a few tables out the front, and then I'd cook

1039
00:47:17,801 --> 00:47:20,361
Speaker 4: the food, do the dishes, mop the floor, take the

1040
00:47:20,441 --> 00:47:21,121
Speaker 4: rubbish out.

1041
00:47:21,681 --> 00:47:22,521
Speaker 1: This was my day.

1042
00:47:22,681 --> 00:47:24,681
Speaker 4: And then because it was I did it so I

1043
00:47:24,681 --> 00:47:27,401
Speaker 4: could be in my cat. So i'd drive around the

1044
00:47:27,441 --> 00:47:30,361
Speaker 4: block and see oscar and put him outside and then

1045
00:47:30,681 --> 00:47:33,361
Speaker 4: put him inside and then drive back around the corner.

1046
00:47:33,361 --> 00:47:38,121
Speaker 4: It was so stupid and it was fun though, but yeah,

1047
00:47:38,121 --> 00:47:38,841
Speaker 4: it was really hard.

1048
00:47:39,761 --> 00:47:41,681
Speaker 1: And then I actually I got really sick.

1049
00:47:42,081 --> 00:47:45,321
Speaker 4: I got pneumonia and I remember dragging myself into work

1050
00:47:46,001 --> 00:47:47,201
Speaker 4: with pneumonia.

1051
00:47:47,441 --> 00:47:50,801
Speaker 1: I was so sick and like serving people. It was

1052
00:47:50,881 --> 00:47:51,721
Speaker 1: so horrendous.

1053
00:47:52,521 --> 00:47:54,761
Speaker 4: And then my dad was Dad got sick and he

1054
00:47:54,881 --> 00:47:58,121
Speaker 4: was in hospital. But before that he was okay to

1055
00:47:58,161 --> 00:47:59,881
Speaker 4: come up, and I went to see him because I've

1056
00:47:59,881 --> 00:48:00,801
Speaker 4: been talking about it.

1057
00:48:00,921 --> 00:48:02,841
Speaker 1: This is why I did it. I'd go there every.

1058
00:48:02,641 --> 00:48:04,721
Speaker 4: Week and go, Okay, this is what's happening with my

1059
00:48:04,801 --> 00:48:08,761
Speaker 4: van and my business. And then he just didn't show up,

1060
00:48:10,281 --> 00:48:12,081
Speaker 4: and I just said there crying all day. I don't

1061
00:48:12,081 --> 00:48:13,921
Speaker 4: want to talk about it again, but like it was

1062
00:48:13,961 --> 00:48:16,641
Speaker 4: devastating and I just sort of let it go.

1063
00:48:18,041 --> 00:48:19,601
Speaker 2: What's your biggest regret in your career.

1064
00:48:23,081 --> 00:48:29,881
Speaker 4: My biggest regret would probably be I probably shouldn't have

1065
00:48:29,961 --> 00:48:33,921
Speaker 4: left the dolphin like that, Like I shouldn't have just

1066
00:48:34,881 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 4: flicked it.

1067
00:48:35,761 --> 00:48:41,721
Speaker 1: I probably should have persevered. But yeah, I probably being

1068
00:48:41,721 --> 00:48:45,081
Speaker 1: a hot head is something that I've learned.

1069
00:48:45,121 --> 00:48:48,201
Speaker 4: It's not always a good idea. Just don't tell people

1070
00:48:48,241 --> 00:48:51,681
Speaker 4: to fuck off, because you'll end up at the taxi

1071
00:48:51,761 --> 00:48:54,281
Speaker 4: clab running the restaurant of the taxi clab. That's what

1072
00:48:54,361 --> 00:48:57,281
Speaker 4: I did after that, Oh my god, that's what I did.

1073
00:48:57,441 --> 00:48:59,201
Speaker 4: But then I went on the floor, which was great,

1074
00:48:59,881 --> 00:49:00,081
Speaker 4: you know.

1075
00:49:00,161 --> 00:49:02,401
Speaker 1: And and the reason why I went on the floor

1076
00:49:02,441 --> 00:49:04,201
Speaker 1: and I did by work and all that kind of

1077
00:49:04,281 --> 00:49:07,561
Speaker 1: thing was if I always sort off. I in a restaurant,

1078
00:49:07,561 --> 00:49:10,361
Speaker 1: I know how to do everything, so it'll be like

1079
00:49:10,441 --> 00:49:11,081
Speaker 1: your industry.

1080
00:49:11,201 --> 00:49:15,401
Speaker 4: You know how to run a venue, you know how

1081
00:49:15,401 --> 00:49:18,241
Speaker 4: to cash a till, you know the licenseeing, you.

1082
00:49:18,121 --> 00:49:20,961
Speaker 1: Know the law. You know.

1083
00:49:21,161 --> 00:49:25,041
Speaker 4: It pays to know everything because that way, if someone

1084
00:49:25,201 --> 00:49:28,721
Speaker 4: seek or something happens, you know everything. If you're in

1085
00:49:28,801 --> 00:49:32,201
Speaker 4: a business, I think you should know everything. So that's

1086
00:49:32,201 --> 00:49:33,601
Speaker 4: probably my biggest regret.

1087
00:49:33,721 --> 00:49:34,921
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I probably.

1088
00:49:34,641 --> 00:49:36,521
Speaker 4: Should have got more into it, like I was just

1089
00:49:36,601 --> 00:49:40,081
Speaker 4: so I hated the press. I mean, at one stage

1090
00:49:40,601 --> 00:49:43,761
Speaker 4: at the Dolphin Ayster magazine came in, I wasn't even

1091
00:49:43,801 --> 00:49:45,401
Speaker 4: doing this interview, right, and I.

1092
00:49:45,321 --> 00:49:47,441
Speaker 1: Hated them anyway. I just you know, I watched Neil

1093
00:49:47,521 --> 00:49:50,881
Speaker 1: lose his hats and crying and everything, and I was like, fuck,

1094
00:49:50,961 --> 00:49:53,681
Speaker 1: I hate these people, like because we're all there wasn't

1095
00:49:53,721 --> 00:49:54,761
Speaker 1: influences back then.

1096
00:49:54,801 --> 00:49:57,521
Speaker 4: These people would make or break your restaurant, and I

1097
00:49:57,561 --> 00:49:59,721
Speaker 4: didn't want them in there. I was like, just go away.

1098
00:49:59,801 --> 00:50:01,721
Speaker 4: I only care about the customers. I don't give a

1099
00:50:01,761 --> 00:50:04,241
Speaker 4: fuck about these people that. You know, it's in that

1100
00:50:04,321 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 4: movie Ratitude with the fucking you know, the cartoon movie

1101
00:50:07,481 --> 00:50:11,401
Speaker 4: about the rat Like the restaurant critique is everything, and

1102
00:50:11,561 --> 00:50:16,001
Speaker 4: you know, it was just annoying. But anyway, this magazine,

1103
00:50:16,081 --> 00:50:18,481
Speaker 4: I just did the photo and Chris makes husband did

1104
00:50:18,521 --> 00:50:21,441
Speaker 4: the interview. He must have said something about his parents

1105
00:50:21,601 --> 00:50:25,841
Speaker 4: not doing great food, and when it came out, this

1106
00:50:26,201 --> 00:50:30,121
Speaker 4: fucking reporter, if I ever find them again, honestly, I'm

1107
00:50:30,121 --> 00:50:33,601
Speaker 4: going to fucking go off with them. She wrote something

1108
00:50:33,601 --> 00:50:38,401
Speaker 4: about Nick said that her parents' food was terrible or something.

1109
00:50:38,521 --> 00:50:41,561
Speaker 4: And I wasn't even in the interview, like they fucked

1110
00:50:41,721 --> 00:50:45,641
Speaker 4: me and I couldn't believe it. Like that is something

1111
00:50:45,641 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 4: that I really regret actually letting them even come into

1112
00:50:49,001 --> 00:50:50,041
Speaker 4: the restaurant, Like what.

1113
00:50:50,201 --> 00:50:52,401
Speaker 1: Kind of a reporter would write something like that?

1114
00:50:53,281 --> 00:50:55,681
Speaker 2: Maybe anyway, maybe they didn't like the Dolphin Hotel.

1115
00:50:58,041 --> 00:51:00,201
Speaker 1: I just would never stitch anyone up like that.

1116
00:51:00,121 --> 00:51:02,761
Speaker 4: Like if you're talking to two young kids who are chefs,

1117
00:51:03,881 --> 00:51:06,081
Speaker 4: you're not just gonna write something.

1118
00:51:05,801 --> 00:51:07,921
Speaker 1: That is going to affect their parents.

1119
00:51:08,001 --> 00:51:11,601
Speaker 4: Like my mother read that, like she probably still believes

1120
00:51:11,641 --> 00:51:15,161
Speaker 4: that I wrote that that I said that, Like that's devastating,

1121
00:51:16,281 --> 00:51:18,881
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like it's interesting how people's

1122
00:51:18,961 --> 00:51:23,601
Speaker 4: words and what they say can have an effect on things.

1123
00:51:23,721 --> 00:51:26,281
Speaker 4: And you know, not everyone's like a gangster or you know,

1124
00:51:26,401 --> 00:51:29,761
Speaker 4: but even the toughest guys that I've ever met, they're

1125
00:51:29,801 --> 00:51:32,601
Speaker 4: all living with their mom generally, or they were back

1126
00:51:32,601 --> 00:51:35,561
Speaker 4: in the nineties. I remember these two Lebow guys that

1127
00:51:35,601 --> 00:51:36,641
Speaker 4: I used to hang out with.

1128
00:51:37,121 --> 00:51:41,641
Speaker 1: They invited me to their house and it was their

1129
00:51:41,721 --> 00:51:44,881
Speaker 1: mom's house and they had this gt Ford and their

1130
00:51:44,881 --> 00:51:48,561
Speaker 1: bed was next to the car. That's where they invited

1131
00:51:48,601 --> 00:51:51,561
Speaker 1: me to and it was that was that was pretty normal.

1132
00:51:52,961 --> 00:51:56,641
Speaker 4: So even the hardest toughest guys. They've all got moms,

1133
00:51:56,801 --> 00:51:58,561
Speaker 4: they've all you know, we're all the same.

1134
00:51:59,361 --> 00:52:01,881
Speaker 3: Do you What do you think of chefs these days,

1135
00:52:02,041 --> 00:52:04,361
Speaker 3: anything like the back in the day, or you think

1136
00:52:04,361 --> 00:52:04,881
Speaker 3: they've got more.

1137
00:52:05,761 --> 00:52:09,801
Speaker 4: Look, don't I shouldn't even talk about the new generation.

1138
00:52:10,041 --> 00:52:13,801
Speaker 4: Sometimes they're great, sometimes they're not. I mean a lot

1139
00:52:13,841 --> 00:52:15,601
Speaker 4: of these kids that I work with now, because I

1140
00:52:16,721 --> 00:52:19,041
Speaker 4: mean on Mondays, I volunteer and I go and cook

1141
00:52:19,081 --> 00:52:22,841
Speaker 4: for old people for free. They buy the food and

1142
00:52:22,921 --> 00:52:24,761
Speaker 4: I just go into their house and make it. And

1143
00:52:24,801 --> 00:52:26,561
Speaker 4: I don't really make a big deal bet to take

1144
00:52:26,601 --> 00:52:28,241
Speaker 4: photos or anything like that.

1145
00:52:28,321 --> 00:52:31,441
Speaker 1: I think that's something that you should just do for society.

1146
00:52:32,041 --> 00:52:34,961
Speaker 4: When I had my sushi place, I would take my

1147
00:52:35,081 --> 00:52:38,121
Speaker 4: leftovers to the people in the tents, which was really sad.

1148
00:52:38,121 --> 00:52:42,041
Speaker 1: I'm probably going to cry about that now. Yeah, it

1149
00:52:42,081 --> 00:52:42,801
Speaker 1: was really awful.

1150
00:52:43,201 --> 00:52:45,601
Speaker 4: And it's all illegal, of course, so I can't go

1151
00:52:45,801 --> 00:52:47,641
Speaker 4: on social media ago i'm at.

1152
00:52:47,561 --> 00:52:49,841
Speaker 1: The tents, And you know, that's what shits me about

1153
00:52:49,881 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: these kids these days. I don't do anything unless it's

1154
00:52:53,481 --> 00:52:57,041
Speaker 1: on social media, and like, I know, you know, we're

1155
00:52:57,041 --> 00:52:59,881
Speaker 1: all sort of on social media all the time. But

1156
00:52:59,921 --> 00:53:02,121
Speaker 1: I think that's what shits me is we all used

1157
00:53:02,161 --> 00:53:05,721
Speaker 1: to do amazing things, but we won't advertising it all

1158
00:53:05,761 --> 00:53:07,361
Speaker 1: the time, do you know what I mean? We just

1159
00:53:07,401 --> 00:53:10,841
Speaker 1: did it. We don't have to have five hundred thousand followers.

1160
00:53:10,921 --> 00:53:13,281
Speaker 1: We didn't have to do that. We just did our job,

1161
00:53:13,401 --> 00:53:16,841
Speaker 1: and we did it properly. These days, these kids, some

1162
00:53:16,921 --> 00:53:19,281
Speaker 1: of them just don't want to work. Like I work

1163
00:53:19,321 --> 00:53:21,361
Speaker 1: with kids these days, and they're walking around like there

1164
00:53:21,361 --> 00:53:23,761
Speaker 1: are the fucking markets. I feel like saying, you know

1165
00:53:23,881 --> 00:53:26,441
Speaker 1: you're at work, don't you like you're working?

1166
00:53:27,081 --> 00:53:30,761
Speaker 4: You're actually supposed to be effective at what you do,

1167
00:53:30,961 --> 00:53:34,401
Speaker 4: and they just look at you like you're speaking fucking Chinese,

1168
00:53:34,801 --> 00:53:36,601
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and like you can't be

1169
00:53:36,641 --> 00:53:41,401
Speaker 4: aggressive anymore. So, you know, because their parents weren't aggressive

1170
00:53:41,441 --> 00:53:44,321
Speaker 4: to them. And I'm not condoning it, but my parents

1171
00:53:44,321 --> 00:53:46,241
Speaker 4: gave us a kick in the barmb Like my dad

1172
00:53:46,281 --> 00:53:47,801
Speaker 4: would come into my room in the morning for I

1173
00:53:47,841 --> 00:53:50,521
Speaker 4: didn't wake up and just rip the bed sheets off

1174
00:53:50,601 --> 00:53:54,161
Speaker 4: you and go get up, like there was no like, oh,

1175
00:53:54,201 --> 00:53:57,881
Speaker 4: if you don't mind, if it's okay, So try managing

1176
00:53:57,881 --> 00:53:58,441
Speaker 4: these people.

1177
00:53:58,481 --> 00:54:04,121
Speaker 2: Now, what's it? What would you describe yourself in one word? Ah?

1178
00:54:05,201 --> 00:54:11,001
Speaker 1: Tired? Ready to retire. I'm ready to retire in Thailand.

1179
00:54:11,641 --> 00:54:15,681
Speaker 1: I'm ready to just go away and just you know,

1180
00:54:16,681 --> 00:54:17,641
Speaker 1: have a nice.

1181
00:54:17,761 --> 00:54:21,881
Speaker 3: Life and what the future holds for you, what's what's

1182
00:54:21,881 --> 00:54:23,201
Speaker 3: the what's the future goals for you?

1183
00:54:23,561 --> 00:54:26,441
Speaker 1: The future for me would be probably in about well

1184
00:54:26,761 --> 00:54:30,121
Speaker 1: when Oscar leaves me. I mean, I hope that never happens.

1185
00:54:30,161 --> 00:54:31,801
Speaker 4: But he's the only reason I stay here, in my

1186
00:54:31,881 --> 00:54:33,841
Speaker 4: cat and my family, but they don't care about me

1187
00:54:33,881 --> 00:54:42,361
Speaker 4: anymore anyway. So once Oscar leaves, I moved to Pouquet.

1188
00:54:41,801 --> 00:54:45,241
Speaker 1: And I buy a condo down the bottom of Pouquette.

1189
00:54:45,241 --> 00:54:46,761
Speaker 1: There's a nice little fishing village.

1190
00:54:47,241 --> 00:54:51,561
Speaker 4: And I buy a car, and you know, I have

1191
00:54:51,641 --> 00:54:54,641
Speaker 4: my house in Australia where I'm earning money and rent

1192
00:54:55,561 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 4: and I just wake up every day and I walk

1193
00:54:57,521 --> 00:54:59,201
Speaker 4: down to the beach or I drive and I have

1194
00:54:59,241 --> 00:55:01,521
Speaker 4: a nice swim and I no.

1195
00:55:01,521 --> 00:55:02,921
Speaker 2: More cooking, no more chef working.

1196
00:55:03,481 --> 00:55:06,081
Speaker 1: Well, I was thinking what I could do there if

1197
00:55:06,121 --> 00:55:07,961
Speaker 1: I did want to work. I'd like to do like

1198
00:55:08,041 --> 00:55:11,761
Speaker 1: guest relations, because there's beautiful resorts in Thailand, like way

1199
00:55:11,801 --> 00:55:15,201
Speaker 1: better than here. Their service is amazing because they have

1200
00:55:15,281 --> 00:55:19,801
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, So do like guest relations. So

1201
00:55:19,841 --> 00:55:23,921
Speaker 1: when you arrive from your fifteen hour flight, it's always

1202
00:55:23,961 --> 00:55:26,361
Speaker 1: good to have someone who speaks English because a lot

1203
00:55:26,361 --> 00:55:29,601
Speaker 1: of people. You know, I've traveled a lot, and you know,

1204
00:55:29,881 --> 00:55:32,681
Speaker 1: where's the ATM, How do I change money? Where do

1205
00:55:32,761 --> 00:55:35,281
Speaker 1: we get a burger? Where? You know? Where do I

1206
00:55:35,321 --> 00:55:37,041
Speaker 1: get a tampon? Where do we get condo?

1207
00:55:37,241 --> 00:55:38,601
Speaker 4: You know, all that shit that you don't want to

1208
00:55:38,601 --> 00:55:41,321
Speaker 4: ask hype people or you don't think that they would

1209
00:55:41,361 --> 00:55:44,041
Speaker 4: know stuff like that. I think I'd be really good

1210
00:55:44,041 --> 00:55:46,601
Speaker 4: at that, at like sourcing out things and telling people

1211
00:55:46,601 --> 00:55:49,321
Speaker 4: where to go for really cool trips and that kind

1212
00:55:49,361 --> 00:55:49,601
Speaker 4: of thing.

1213
00:55:49,681 --> 00:55:50,521
Speaker 1: I'd like to do that.

1214
00:55:51,201 --> 00:55:54,121
Speaker 4: As far as cooking goes, I you know, I might

1215
00:55:54,241 --> 00:55:58,041
Speaker 4: open something small, but you know, Thailand's foods so amazing anyway,

1216
00:55:58,761 --> 00:56:01,601
Speaker 4: don't really want to cook anymore, I think after having

1217
00:56:01,641 --> 00:56:05,681
Speaker 4: my business and just bit over it. Yeah, I mean

1218
00:56:05,681 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 4: I don't even cook at home. I eat out every night.

1219
00:56:09,361 --> 00:56:11,321
Speaker 2: Are you writing the book? So?

1220
00:56:11,601 --> 00:56:11,801
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1221
00:56:11,841 --> 00:56:16,001
Speaker 4: I started writing a book just about restaurants over forty

1222
00:56:16,081 --> 00:56:19,241
Speaker 4: years and how things have changed, and you know, even

1223
00:56:19,281 --> 00:56:20,601
Speaker 4: a bit about the party scene.

1224
00:56:21,001 --> 00:56:22,561
Speaker 2: When you expected to bring that.

1225
00:56:23,801 --> 00:56:26,801
Speaker 1: I don't know, I need a publisher. So if you

1226
00:56:26,841 --> 00:56:28,161
Speaker 1: know anyone.

1227
00:56:28,481 --> 00:56:32,761
Speaker 4: I need a deadline because I can't finish it without

1228
00:56:32,961 --> 00:56:34,241
Speaker 4: having like a deadline.

1229
00:56:34,361 --> 00:56:36,401
Speaker 1: But I've got a lot of good stories, and you.

1230
00:56:36,321 --> 00:56:38,881
Speaker 4: Know, today I haven't mentioned a lot about anything too

1231
00:56:38,961 --> 00:56:43,241
Speaker 4: explicit because I don't want to embarrass my family or myself.

1232
00:56:43,321 --> 00:56:46,281
Speaker 4: But in my book, I'll probably discuss more about you know,

1233
00:56:46,321 --> 00:56:49,841
Speaker 4: the effects of drugs and alcohol on chefs and people

1234
00:56:49,921 --> 00:56:52,841
Speaker 4: like yourself, and you know how we got sucked into

1235
00:56:52,921 --> 00:56:55,881
Speaker 4: it or it was part of our lives, and you know,

1236
00:56:56,081 --> 00:56:59,081
Speaker 4: just be really real about it, because even though it

1237
00:56:59,121 --> 00:57:01,281
Speaker 4: was illegal, it was still a big part.

1238
00:57:01,081 --> 00:57:01,761
Speaker 1: Of our lives.

1239
00:57:02,641 --> 00:57:05,321
Speaker 4: And I mean some of us had to get by

1240
00:57:06,201 --> 00:57:08,561
Speaker 4: with whatever we could take. Like you know, we were

1241
00:57:08,601 --> 00:57:12,241
Speaker 4: so tired, we would be racking up coke or taking

1242
00:57:12,281 --> 00:57:14,601
Speaker 4: speed or going home and smoking a joint so you

1243
00:57:14,641 --> 00:57:16,201
Speaker 4: could go to sleep so you could wake up the

1244
00:57:16,241 --> 00:57:16,761
Speaker 4: next day.

1245
00:57:17,481 --> 00:57:19,001
Speaker 1: And you know, for any.

1246
00:57:18,761 --> 00:57:21,001
Speaker 4: Cops out there that are watching, who want to come

1247
00:57:21,041 --> 00:57:22,921
Speaker 4: and arrest me and then fucking arrest me, I don't

1248
00:57:22,961 --> 00:57:24,881
Speaker 4: do any of that shit anymore. But let's get real

1249
00:57:24,921 --> 00:57:27,441
Speaker 4: about it, and let's be honest with the kids these days,

1250
00:57:28,041 --> 00:57:30,841
Speaker 4: although they're pretty straight about the effects that it will

1251
00:57:30,841 --> 00:57:31,281
Speaker 4: have on you.

1252
00:57:31,321 --> 00:57:33,041
Speaker 1: If you choose to do that.

1253
00:57:34,881 --> 00:57:37,201
Speaker 4: That's really what the book could be about, and really

1254
00:57:37,321 --> 00:57:40,201
Speaker 4: just about you know, how you can kind of come

1255
00:57:40,241 --> 00:57:43,161
Speaker 4: out the other side of it and be semi kind

1256
00:57:43,241 --> 00:57:46,761
Speaker 4: of okay, because you know, there's time. I knows my

1257
00:57:46,841 --> 00:57:51,241
Speaker 4: mate Darren Simpson died. He was a famous chef, a

1258
00:57:51,241 --> 00:57:53,921
Speaker 4: friend of mine, Jason. I turned up at his house.

1259
00:57:54,801 --> 00:57:57,281
Speaker 1: It was so weird. Jason I used to party heaps.

1260
00:57:57,321 --> 00:58:00,161
Speaker 4: We'd go to Black Market a lot, and I hadn't

1261
00:58:00,161 --> 00:58:02,801
Speaker 4: seen him for ages and he kind of lost the plot.

1262
00:58:02,881 --> 00:58:04,401
Speaker 4: I mean, Jason was the kind of guy that woul

1263
00:58:04,441 --> 00:58:06,561
Speaker 4: dumb three p and smoke a bottle and drink a

1264
00:58:06,601 --> 00:58:08,281
Speaker 4: bottle of bourb and every night.

1265
00:58:09,601 --> 00:58:12,441
Speaker 1: And everyone loved him. He was like Brad Pitt, you know,

1266
00:58:12,481 --> 00:58:14,721
Speaker 1: he had all the models and stuff around him.

1267
00:58:14,761 --> 00:58:17,921
Speaker 4: And anyway, this night I decided to go to BONDI

1268
00:58:18,161 --> 00:58:19,441
Speaker 4: I just thought, I'll go see Jace.

1269
00:58:19,841 --> 00:58:22,761
Speaker 1: Just out of the blue, I get to his door.

1270
00:58:22,961 --> 00:58:25,161
Speaker 4: His doors open a little bit and there was always

1271
00:58:25,161 --> 00:58:27,681
Speaker 4: people around Jase, like he was like the social guy,

1272
00:58:27,921 --> 00:58:31,241
Speaker 4: and I thought, oh, I won't go in. I you know,

1273
00:58:31,521 --> 00:58:33,961
Speaker 4: I can't go in tonight and talk to other people.

1274
00:58:34,241 --> 00:58:36,681
Speaker 4: And then two days later his best mate rings me

1275
00:58:36,721 --> 00:58:39,201
Speaker 4: and goes. Jace killed himself at like eight o'clock on

1276
00:58:39,281 --> 00:58:42,841
Speaker 4: Thursday night. That's the time that I was standing outside

1277
00:58:42,841 --> 00:58:43,761
Speaker 4: the fucking door.

1278
00:58:44,921 --> 00:58:45,761
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1279
00:58:46,161 --> 00:58:48,881
Speaker 4: And then I just spiral down, Like I think I

1280
00:58:48,921 --> 00:58:51,281
Speaker 4: went and bought like an ounce of wheat or something

1281
00:58:51,281 --> 00:58:53,601
Speaker 4: and just smoked it in the honor of Jase, because

1282
00:58:53,641 --> 00:58:57,001
Speaker 4: we used to smoke so much pot together. But yeah,

1283
00:58:57,081 --> 00:59:00,721
Speaker 4: the drugs and alcohol affected him for sure. You know,

1284
00:59:00,761 --> 00:59:02,601
Speaker 4: at one stage he was in the Cross with this.

1285
00:59:03,401 --> 00:59:05,681
Speaker 4: You know, people were stealing from him, he was passed

1286
00:59:05,721 --> 00:59:09,441
Speaker 4: out and stuff like that. But I think it's good

1287
00:59:09,441 --> 00:59:11,961
Speaker 4: to be real, like not to judge people too much

1288
00:59:12,001 --> 00:59:15,361
Speaker 4: about those situations that they were in. Like I used

1289
00:59:15,361 --> 00:59:17,121
Speaker 4: to walk to the Cross and there was people lying

1290
00:59:17,161 --> 00:59:19,521
Speaker 4: on the ground and stuff. People were mean to them

1291
00:59:19,641 --> 00:59:22,201
Speaker 4: or people were nice to them, but you know, there's

1292
00:59:22,201 --> 00:59:24,481
Speaker 4: a reason why these people are sitting in the doorway

1293
00:59:24,601 --> 00:59:27,241
Speaker 4: of a you know, thing off their head on heroin

1294
00:59:27,321 --> 00:59:27,681
Speaker 4: or whatever.

1295
00:59:29,361 --> 00:59:30,881
Speaker 1: And you know, in a lot of ways, I think the.

1296
00:59:30,841 --> 00:59:34,921
Speaker 4: Cross actually supported, like actually helped these people because it

1297
00:59:34,921 --> 00:59:36,801
Speaker 4: gave them somewhere to live. I mean, I don't know

1298
00:59:36,801 --> 00:59:40,041
Speaker 4: where all these people are now that the Cross is empty.

1299
00:59:41,681 --> 00:59:44,481
Speaker 4: But yeah, just stories like that, probably in my book

1300
00:59:44,561 --> 00:59:47,201
Speaker 4: and try to make it seem sort of interesting and

1301
00:59:47,561 --> 00:59:51,041
Speaker 4: that kind of thing, and yeah, just live my life now.

1302
00:59:51,761 --> 00:59:53,761
Speaker 2: Well, I want to say thank you for coming on,

1303
00:59:53,921 --> 00:59:54,081
Speaker 2: you're

1304
00:59:54,121 --> 00:59:55,361
Speaker 1: Welcome, Thanks for having me.