WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 11 June

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<v Speaker 1>Guying center. This is Paul Murray live a simpic. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need any of that, Charry, this is all natural

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<v Speaker 1>and this has taken forty six years to build. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, dull it all right.

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<v Speaker 2>There is so much drama happening in one state in Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is Tasmania.

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<v Speaker 1>I know most people don't live there.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we all love it, but drama, drama, drama, baby,

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<v Speaker 2>and it gets even wilder tonight. Even the ABC is

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<v Speaker 2>calling out the Prime Minister has been a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>an empty suit on his let's all you know, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for the ninety four seats.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, let's work out what we're going to do for

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<v Speaker 1>the next three years and some.

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<v Speaker 2>Home truth, some tough talk, no happy talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>garbage that's going on in the United States at the moment, surprise, surprise,

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<v Speaker 2>much of the Trump aiding meeting in Australia not willing

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you the true story. But first, Australia has

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<v Speaker 2>quite a lot of politicians. We know about the more

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<v Speaker 2>than one hundred and fifty that are in the Lower House,

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<v Speaker 2>and the six different senators from each of the states,

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<v Speaker 2>a couple from the different territories, and all day, every day.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the people who get to tell us how

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<v Speaker 2>we have to live, and all of them pretend that

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<v Speaker 2>they can feel our pain, even though, as I have

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<v Speaker 2>told you many times before, there have been three pay

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<v Speaker 2>rises in the first term of the Aberaneze government. The

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<v Speaker 2>first one was two point seventy five percent, the second

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<v Speaker 2>one was their biggest they had received in a decade,

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<v Speaker 2>and just last year the second biggest pay rise in

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<v Speaker 2>the last decade.

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<v Speaker 1>They are well and truly well remunerated.

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<v Speaker 2>As millions of Australians work harder than ever for what

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<v Speaker 2>feels like less money at the end of the pay cycle,

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<v Speaker 2>let alone Australia being in a per capita recession for

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<v Speaker 2>most of the past three years, getting ready for more

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<v Speaker 2>of the same for the next three years because of productivity.

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<v Speaker 2>And don't worry, I won't be going into great detail

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<v Speaker 2>about products tonight. Our living standards are down to nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty nine. And despite the fact of all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>despite the fact of cost of living crisis, despite the

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<v Speaker 2>fact of and it's exactly the same after the election

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<v Speaker 2>as it was before the election, of three million people,

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<v Speaker 2>this close to homelessness of more than three million households,

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<v Speaker 2>that will have run out of food most probably by

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<v Speaker 2>this time. Each and every week, a disgraceful decision has

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<v Speaker 2>been made to give our politicians another freaking pay rise,

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth since the Labor Party won in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 2>and just so happened to be timed weeks after a

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<v Speaker 2>federal election. We learned today that the Renumeration Tribunal has

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<v Speaker 2>given another two point four percent now, meaning that the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister is going to get an extra fourteen and

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<v Speaker 2>a half thousand dollars a year on top of the

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<v Speaker 2>last pay rise, the one before that and the one

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<v Speaker 2>before that. No wonder, these people are cockerhop so happy

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<v Speaker 2>to be part of the club now. Years ago a

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<v Speaker 2>decision was made because of course politicians, if they were

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<v Speaker 2>in charge of their own pay, they'd be blowback. But

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<v Speaker 2>now a independent tribunal, the Renumeration Tribunal, is the one

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<v Speaker 2>that decides whether the politicians of Australia deserve a pay rise.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've come out with their determination and here is

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<v Speaker 2>some details about it. Anthony Abernezi and other politicians has

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<v Speaker 2>set for a plumbed up pay packet. The Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>will go from six hundred and seven thousand dollars a

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<v Speaker 2>year to six hundred and twenty two thousand dollars. He

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<v Speaker 2>did nothing to deserve the pay rise. Backbencher will now

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<v Speaker 2>go from two thirty three to two thirty nine thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>or the opposition leader will go up by ten thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars to four hundred and forty two thousand dollars. That,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, because she was not the previous lead out

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<v Speaker 2>the last election, so she gets the loading that takes

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<v Speaker 2>her to more than four.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone who will be earning even more than the alternative

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<v Speaker 2>prime minister is the bloke who considers himself to be

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<v Speaker 2>the next prime minister, Jim Charmers, the one who feels

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<v Speaker 2>your pain, the one who says he needs not just

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<v Speaker 2>this election, but another election before they can put in

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<v Speaker 2>place what's needed to fix the country. Four hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>forty eight thousand dollars cabinet ministers, including a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the freeloaders and the free riders that we've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>over the years, is now four hundred and twelve thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>What a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 2>These people are already earning a big chunk of change

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<v Speaker 2>on top of that, they have staff who including were

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<v Speaker 2>given extra staff in the last parliament so they could

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<v Speaker 2>film themselves to TikTok videos, despite the fact that TikTok

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<v Speaker 2>is banned by the Australian government. They of course have

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<v Speaker 2>the printing allowances. They've got the ability to walk into

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<v Speaker 2>Parliament and defame anyone they want because they're a special

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<v Speaker 2>breed of human. But there's even more detail which is

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<v Speaker 2>going to annoy you, because it's not just a pay

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<v Speaker 2>rise for politicians. You see, the same people who got

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<v Speaker 2>the same three pay rises of the last term in

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<v Speaker 2>Parliament are very senior public servants, the public servants that

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<v Speaker 2>are already paid more than the Prime Minister or the

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<v Speaker 2>Minister of the day of which they are supposedly answerable to.

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<v Speaker 2>These people have all of the same travel entitlements. They're

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<v Speaker 2>all the ones flying up the front of the plane.

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<v Speaker 2>These are all the people who think they are more

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<v Speaker 2>important than you and I and the Independent Tribunal bangs

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<v Speaker 2>in the fourth pay rise in three years for these people.

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<v Speaker 1>The believable.

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<v Speaker 2>Australians are going backwards to a standard of living that

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<v Speaker 2>is back in nineteen fifty nine. Hunger, homelessness, hard work.

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<v Speaker 2>These people. Four pay rises since twenty twenty two, unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>See this is another example of what I've banged on

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<v Speaker 2>about for a long time. And I don't care if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be the last soldier left after the

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<v Speaker 2>war or I'll be the one stuck on an island

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<v Speaker 2>still yelling into the sky. The plan of the modern

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<v Speaker 2>machine is that you will be dependent on government the

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<v Speaker 2>way that center left or even wilder left governments like

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<v Speaker 2>Andrews in Victoria, Palachet in Queensland, Cook in Western Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>The way they run the system is they want a

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<v Speaker 2>triangle of dependency where the majority of the country has

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<v Speaker 2>its hand out for welfare and any suggestion of it

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<v Speaker 2>being pulled back would mean never vote for a changing government.

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<v Speaker 2>More people than ever before work for the government, getting

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<v Speaker 2>pay rises like four in three years, which means any

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<v Speaker 2>suggestion of a reduction, and that means don't change the government.

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<v Speaker 2>And then anyone in private industry, your biggest client is

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be the local state or federal government, because

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<v Speaker 2>then you too will not rock the boat. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you set up that triangle, you don't just go past

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<v Speaker 2>fifty percent, you get to sixty percent. You get the

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<v Speaker 2>seventy percent of the country who will never change the government.

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<v Speaker 2>As long as everyone doesn't rock the boat, the tide

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<v Speaker 2>rises for all that are inside the triangle, for everyone

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<v Speaker 2>outside who is having to work harder to pay for

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<v Speaker 2>more of it, just shut up and keep paying. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>this is an absolute disgrace.

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<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't it be.

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<v Speaker 2>Wonderful if just a single person in the system said no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want it. And there have been examples of

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<v Speaker 2>premiers in different states saying no, no, no, Thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>the advice, but not on now. Watch it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to take place simple test of whether the newly freshly

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<v Speaker 2>re elected forever prime Minister and his ministers truly care

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<v Speaker 2>about those that are doing it tough. But of course

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<v Speaker 2>you and I both know this will be the extent

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<v Speaker 2>of the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's get to Tazzy now. You know I love Tazzy.

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<v Speaker 2>I love going now, I love doing our towns, I

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<v Speaker 2>love holiday in there. It is an absolutely spectacular part

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<v Speaker 2>of Australia. I spent a lot of time in the North.

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<v Speaker 2>No offense to the South, but I just think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a ripping joint right lon Cesteren They've even got their

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<v Speaker 2>own casino.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a spectacular part of Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, as you know, there's a lot of drama, drama,

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<v Speaker 2>drama when it comes to the politics that's playing out

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<v Speaker 2>in Tasmania. And I understand my old mate Peter Burner

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<v Speaker 2>used to say, there's the compassion pie. There's so many,

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<v Speaker 2>so many things you can get about it any one day.

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<v Speaker 2>And the intricacies of Tasmanian politics may not be at

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<v Speaker 2>the absolute tippy top of your to do list when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to problems. But what a story is playing

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<v Speaker 2>out in Tasmania. For those that are just joining the drama.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me bring you up to date with the bold

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<v Speaker 2>and the beautiful of the Apple Aisle. The Labor Party,

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<v Speaker 2>who have ten seats in the Parliament and you need

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<v Speaker 2>way more than that to form the majority, has been

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<v Speaker 2>able to slowly but surely rant and rave about debt,

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<v Speaker 2>football stadiums and ferries, so much so that they have

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<v Speaker 2>got together with the Greens. And even then there's not

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<v Speaker 2>enough people to pass something or to become a government.

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<v Speaker 2>So they have got many, in fact, all by one

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<v Speaker 2>of the cross bench to vote with them no confidence,

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<v Speaker 2>no confidence in the government. The premier who convention would

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<v Speaker 2>suggest is supposed to hand in his gut and badge

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<v Speaker 2>as a way of keeping his party in power. Says no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going anywhere. So we go back to the

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party going okay, the same people that were able

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<v Speaker 2>to get them, plus the Greens and the cross Bench,

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<v Speaker 2>would they all be able to form some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a government to land between now and the official next

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<v Speaker 2>election of Tasmania. Will know, they say no deals with

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<v Speaker 2>the cross Bench or the Greens, so they're happy to

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<v Speaker 2>tear the joint down but then want to walk away

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<v Speaker 2>from the consequences. Well, this time last night I told

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<v Speaker 2>you that the Premier went to the Governor of Tasmania

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<v Speaker 2>to say, hey, we can't get anything done in the parliament,

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<v Speaker 2>which means we need a new election. And rather than

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<v Speaker 2>just saying okay, I don't like the idea of elections

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<v Speaker 2>you know, every fifteen months, but still okay, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>way it works, off to election, she said no, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get back to you by the end of the week,

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<v Speaker 2>which meant one hell of a day today for the

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<v Speaker 2>Tasmanian Premier, Jeremy Rothcliffe. Now these are now obviously the

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<v Speaker 2>collective media that was ripping into him today. They think

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<v Speaker 2>that he is the problem. He is the man who

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<v Speaker 2>won't go. He is the one who's trying to put

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<v Speaker 2>himself into a pair of concrete shoes that won't move

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<v Speaker 2>from his perspective, and I completely respect it. He deserves

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<v Speaker 2>every right and if his party room wants to roll him,

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<v Speaker 2>but if they won't, then he deserves to stand. And

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<v Speaker 2>if the other bloke won't former government, then why are

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<v Speaker 2>we off to an election? We'll have a listen to

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<v Speaker 2>some of the questions he was copping today and then

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<v Speaker 2>there's one in particular that will just bowl you over.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk radio still foot the callers asking for you to

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<v Speaker 1>stand outs.

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<v Speaker 3>Not punish you for taking them to unnecessary and constantly

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<v Speaker 3>elect Halma no longer has confidence in you, don't You

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<v Speaker 3>no longer have the confidence of the Tasmanian people.

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<v Speaker 2>So some uses an illegitimate motion of no confidence figure

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<v Speaker 2>And firstly, he's not bringing on the election. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the opposition who do what oppositions do, which is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to put the black eye as hard as they can

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<v Speaker 2>in on a government. But you've got to have the

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<v Speaker 2>stones to be willing to replace the government. You see,

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<v Speaker 2>this is all so wild that nobody's got candidates, nobody's

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<v Speaker 2>got a plan for how to win an election. They've

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<v Speaker 2>just run a federal campaign. There's no money in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the campaign costs for both of the parties. But

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<v Speaker 2>have a listened to a particular exchange with one reporter

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<v Speaker 2>who just has given up even pretending to be respectful

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<v Speaker 2>of the elected premier of Tasmania.

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<v Speaker 1>You are the premier.

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<v Speaker 4>You can stop this now, you can resign.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't have the confidence of a house.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not a legitimate premier.

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<v Speaker 4>So what are you doing here?

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<v Speaker 1>You're not a legitimate premier.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now, yeah, he's right out on the edge, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's why he wanted an election. The governor turns around

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<v Speaker 2>and says, I'm not going to give you an election

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<v Speaker 2>because it was a subtle message of the Liberal Party

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<v Speaker 2>change your leader, or to the Labor Party. How can

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<v Speaker 2>you stitch together a government so we don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>have an election.

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<v Speaker 1>Premier Rockcliff's response.

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<v Speaker 3>I am Premier and I'm here today focusing on what

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<v Speaker 3>Tasmanians want us to focus on, and that is delivering

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<v Speaker 3>better health services. You know very well the wind saw

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<v Speaker 3>an opportunity, but he deceived the cross bench he deceived

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<v Speaker 3>the Parliament and he deceived the Tasmanian people.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, well done for the control because we know the

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<v Speaker 2>question was designed to make him blow up and expose

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<v Speaker 2>some personality flaw before the people of Tasmania. Well, guess

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<v Speaker 2>what tonight? The governor is not going to make us

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<v Speaker 2>wait till the end of the week. The governor has said, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you can have an election, and there will be one

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<v Speaker 2>in the dead of winter. Poor Tasmanians have just had

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<v Speaker 2>to go through a federal campaign. Will they have to

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<v Speaker 2>go through a state campaign? And make this very clear,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever the result is, the reason for the election is

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party forcing the election. Yes, Jeremy Rockcliffe did

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<v Speaker 2>not resign, but no one in his party chose to

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<v Speaker 2>challenge either. Now, whether that is a fatal mistake that

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<v Speaker 2>means the Liberal Party is wiped off the map or

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<v Speaker 2>the Labor Party is punished for what they have done

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<v Speaker 2>to force an election in Tasmania.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll all have to wait, watch and seeing together. But

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<v Speaker 2>what about the drama.

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<v Speaker 1>That me am? I the drama? I don't think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the drama. Maybe I am. I have a young team.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let's also have a look here at Big Australia

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<v Speaker 2>now again regardless of what we all know to be

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<v Speaker 2>the case in every pole that's ever put out by

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<v Speaker 2>any organization that will tell us Australia thinks too many

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<v Speaker 2>people too quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course to say that is some sort of racism.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I both know it's not about that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just literally, if you keep adding hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of people and you haven't improved the system by hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of thousands, let alone built hundreds of thousands of homes,

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<v Speaker 2>guess what. The very few homes that are left over

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<v Speaker 2>have too many people looking for them, the prices go

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<v Speaker 2>up up, and the people who are really struggling, like

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<v Speaker 2>a single mum, like any single parent, like an older

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<v Speaker 2>person living by themselves, where they are getting blasted out of.

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<v Speaker 1>Particularly the rental market.

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<v Speaker 2>More proof of that today, as always homepage make it

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<v Speaker 2>sky news dot com dot Au because not only highlights

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<v Speaker 2>of this and every other pro but stories like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's mass migration disaster is overwhelming. Labourer's housing plan availability

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<v Speaker 2>has gone backwards by hundreds of homes every week. Australia

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<v Speaker 2>is bringing in migrants faster than it can house them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our point. With Labour's mass immigration plans out pacing

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<v Speaker 2>new home construction and shrinking the housing supply by more

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<v Speaker 2>than one thousand homes every week. The State of Housing

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<v Speaker 2>System twenty twenty five report, which they are looking into here,

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<v Speaker 2>forecasts that the country will build only nine hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>thirty eight thousand homes by June of twenty twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>One point two million is what they promised in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of immigration. What we will actually have to be building

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<v Speaker 2>is two hundred and forty thousand extra homes on top

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<v Speaker 2>of that, because to keep pace with immigration driven population growth,

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<v Speaker 2>Australia needs to construct approximately two hundred and forty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>homes annually.

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<v Speaker 1>Believable. That's what we talk about on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but to talk about it's nasty, to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it's racist. Again for the four hundred and eighty seven

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<v Speaker 2>thousandth time, may I point to the asterisk, which is

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<v Speaker 2>always we understand the role of immigration, we understand the

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<v Speaker 2>role of multiculturalism.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not about that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's literally about infrastructure keeping up with Australia and its

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<v Speaker 2>population as it is today. But because the federal government

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<v Speaker 2>needs to keep pumping up the number of people paying

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<v Speaker 2>tax in the country. Business wants to sell the more

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<v Speaker 2>customers in the country, it's just put into the too

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<v Speaker 2>hard basket. We end up in a scenario with thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of people living intents, plenty of others going broke, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to pay off the home that they are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>do so via interest rates or via rent, and the

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<v Speaker 2>politicians's job it is to deal with this.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't care because.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got four pay rises, four pay rises in the

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<v Speaker 2>past three years. Talk about America now and the situation

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<v Speaker 2>that has been playing out there for some time, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>the riots in Los Angeles. Now, you know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about all of this, but let's make this nice and clear.

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<v Speaker 2>For those that may have tuned into this story a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of days late, maybe only paid half attention to

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<v Speaker 2>the six PM news, Let's tell you some home truths here.

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<v Speaker 2>Much of the media would like to pretend that all

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<v Speaker 2>of this is about one issue and one issue only.

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<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of people believe that we're talking

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<v Speaker 4>about mass deportation plans that would just sort of effect

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<v Speaker 4>on documents and immigrants.

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<v Speaker 6>That's not true.

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<v Speaker 7>There are twenty two million people that live in mixed

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<v Speaker 7>status families.

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<v Speaker 8>So the American would be deported too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what targetment.

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<v Speaker 6>Families will be deported.

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<v Speaker 7>The methods that this administration has deployed are extreme, threatening,

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<v Speaker 7>not just undocumented immigrants, but the entire rule of law

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<v Speaker 7>in America.

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<v Speaker 9>The Trump administration is that they don't care if you're

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<v Speaker 9>complaining with the law. There are terrorizing communities, and they're

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<v Speaker 9>ambushing immigrants outside of courthouses, restaurants, workspaces place.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get by to first principles here. A country that

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<v Speaker 2>does not police its borders is no country. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>a place where people can come and go and hang

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<v Speaker 2>out and do whatever they want. The reality is is

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<v Speaker 2>that the United States, like every other serious country in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, polices its borders. It's why you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>fill out a form before you fly to the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>It's why you've got to apply before you move to.

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<v Speaker 2>The United States. It's why you have to apply before

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<v Speaker 2>you can move and work in the United States. Not

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<v Speaker 2>only so you know who's coming in, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>how many are coming in. What is not Okay's illegal immigration.

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<v Speaker 2>When people decide no forms, no cues, bugger it and

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<v Speaker 2>buy the millions.

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<v Speaker 1>During the Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, they just simply walked over a border, and even

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<v Speaker 2>if they were detained or met by somebody with a badge,

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<v Speaker 2>they were more often than not let go or as

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<v Speaker 2>we know, bust all over the country, meaning that every

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<v Speaker 2>he became a border city. Put simply, if by now

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know and you don't tell people when you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about these issues that there is legal immigration and

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<v Speaker 2>illegal immigration, then you are playing a very silly game.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect example.

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<v Speaker 2>In the United States, for some reason, much of the

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<v Speaker 2>establishment and access media, and much of the activist media

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<v Speaker 2>as well, never used the term illegal immigration. They just

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<v Speaker 2>say migration, pretending that somebody who didn't fill out of form,

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<v Speaker 2>who just walked over the border is exactly the same

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<v Speaker 2>as the person who filled out the paperwork and waited

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<v Speaker 2>in a queue for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect example.

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<v Speaker 5>Demonstrations for immigration raids, federal immigration rates, controversial immigration policies,

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<v Speaker 5>immigration crackdowns.

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<v Speaker 8>Immigration crackdown, federal deportation.

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<v Speaker 6>Rates, Donald Trump's immigration policy.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not immigration policy, illegal immigration policy, and unbelievably, you

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<v Speaker 2>have seen when and there was an attempt by the

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<v Speaker 2>United States government to go and collect people who had

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<v Speaker 2>not filled out the form, not weighted in the queue,

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<v Speaker 2>not done the right thing. That those people were being arrested,

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<v Speaker 2>but of course because people don't want to go, they're

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<v Speaker 2>nabbed off the streets, they are kidnapped, and all the

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<v Speaker 2>other invective. The reality is people have been warned since

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<v Speaker 2>day dot of this administration that if you are here illegally,

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<v Speaker 2>go or we're going to come for you. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>will even help you fill out the forms to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of here, and will pay for you to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of here. So a whole bunch of protests which

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<v Speaker 2>started in and around downtown and the place where the

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<v Speaker 2>Immigration Enforcement Agency is located. Okay, in that place where

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<v Speaker 2>those people were doing their job of enforcing the obvious

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<v Speaker 2>difference between legal and illegal immigration, people started to turn up,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the past few days we know how wild

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<v Speaker 2>it has gotten. And the very same nasty players in

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<v Speaker 2>the American media who say no difference, no difference between

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<v Speaker 2>legal and illegal immigration, well, they want to pretend that

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<v Speaker 2>there's some sort of a resistance movement that is building

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<v Speaker 2>against a president for enforcing the obvious laws that are

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<v Speaker 2>no different in Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Norway, or the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, legal or illegal immigration.

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<v Speaker 8>He is absolutely panicked by the protests against him to

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<v Speaker 8>the point where he's already playing the biggest cards that

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<v Speaker 8>he's got and he's not even six months into this term.

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<v Speaker 8>I just think, I think we're getting the test really early,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think that he's failing.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Again.

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<v Speaker 2>You can like, you can dislike, you can think it's

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<v Speaker 2>good but Trump bad Trump. But enforcing this law is

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<v Speaker 2>something that even Obama talked about. Okay, but just because

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<v Speaker 2>Orange Man bad everything and they want to pretend that

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<v Speaker 2>he's starting World War III or Civil War two point zero.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's get to another little fact that again you

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<v Speaker 2>probably didn't see six PM news in Australia, you barely

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<v Speaker 2>have seen it in mainstream news in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, you know how, there's an awful lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people that for some reason are waving the Mexican flag,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly in the protests which started in California are now

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<v Speaker 2>starting to bounce up all around the country. Why are

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<v Speaker 2>they doing that? Well, let's actually have a listen to

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<v Speaker 2>one of the protesters who explains why people are waving

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<v Speaker 2>the Mexican flag in California when the American government is

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<v Speaker 2>enforcing who can stay because they're legal, and who should

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<v Speaker 2>go because they're not.

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<v Speaker 10>We've been here for thousands of years before you guys

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<v Speaker 10>showed up screw up everything. We think we should organize

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<v Speaker 10>together with the US working class and fight together and

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<v Speaker 10>create a vero system where anti capitalists. We think socialism

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<v Speaker 10>does work, real socialism, not Venezuela, not Cuba, not editing

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<v Speaker 10>that that they try to sell us and socialism, and

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<v Speaker 10>where we leave it would be a more humane system

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<v Speaker 10>that will tell you of our people's necessities.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a country we can look to to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of model the socialism idea?

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<v Speaker 10>The only motto would be Soviet Union. In the first

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<v Speaker 10>four years after that it became a mass Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So some of the people that are protesting are protesting

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<v Speaker 2>because of the enforcement of the laws that again every

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<v Speaker 2>president has enforced, I repeat Obama, hundreds of thousands of deportations.

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<v Speaker 2>He of course was the one who did the caging

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<v Speaker 2>of kids. But you know, Orange, bad, Bad, he invented.

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<v Speaker 1>All of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the people that are in those protests are

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with that question of legal versus illegal immigration.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to, among other things, say this isn't even America.

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<v Speaker 2>This was Mexico. It still will remain Mexico, and eventually

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<v Speaker 2>we can boot out the Americans and turn it back

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<v Speaker 2>into the territorial lands of which it was before. Deals

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<v Speaker 2>were done, in fact, literally sold by the Mexican government

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<v Speaker 2>to the American government way back when.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's this story that you.

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<v Speaker 2>May will have heard a version of today in the

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<v Speaker 2>Australian media.

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<v Speaker 5>Los Angeles mayor has announced an almost immediate curfew. After

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<v Speaker 5>five straight days of unreased Los Angeles is in lockdown tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>A curfew is in place across downtown LA.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of Los Angeles is tonight under a curfew. Those

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<v Speaker 1>who are there are barred from being on the streets

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<v Speaker 1>because you see, it's all widely out of control.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because of Orange Man Bad deciding to send in

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<v Speaker 2>the troops. That's the reason for the curfew. Except that's

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<v Speaker 2>not the reason for the curfew. Even the lefty mayor

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<v Speaker 2>who was the one who put this curfew in in

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<v Speaker 2>a very small part of downtown.

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<v Speaker 1>But still all of Los Angeles is under lockdown.

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<v Speaker 2>Please Anyway, the reason that's the case is because of

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<v Speaker 2>the looting that took place over the multiple days of

0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:02.520
<v Speaker 2>the protest, which apparently were about this. Because it, as

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I've just shown, you really could be about that, and

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:08.919
<v Speaker 2>please explain how the enforcement of immigration law means?

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 1>This is okay crazy?

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:46.399
<v Speaker 2>And again the far left mayor of Los Angeles, who

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 2>couldn't be a bigger Trump hater, actually explains, and did

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:52.200
<v Speaker 2>you see this in much of the Australian media today

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:56.159
<v Speaker 2>The curfew has nothing to do with the immigration stuff.

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 2>It has to do with the psychos that are running

0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.960
<v Speaker 2>from shop to shop bashing things in.

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<v Speaker 6>I have declared a local emergency and issued a curfew

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 6>for downtown Los Angeles to stop the vandalism, to stop

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:13.600
<v Speaker 6>the looting.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, did you hear Donald Trump and any of that?

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Did you hear the migration policies in any of that? Again,

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 2>even let's imagine, and it's not true, but let's imagine

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:27.680
<v Speaker 2>the first day was about the migrant This clearly just

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 2>became the free for all for anyone who wanted to

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:34.600
<v Speaker 2>do whatever the heck they wanted. Well, thankfully, the curfew

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:38.639
<v Speaker 2>seems to have worked. And again, spare thought for the

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 2>poor men and women who have to enforce the law

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:45.359
<v Speaker 2>when they're up against craziness like what you have seen,

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 2>reinforced by a political class who, for whatever reason, think

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 2>there is no difference between legal and illegal. But I

0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:56.640
<v Speaker 2>guarantee living gated communities, or if they don't, they've got

0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 2>four locks on their doors and most likely a security

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 2>guard who's guarding at each and every night in the

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Mayor's mansion or the governor's mansion or Pelosi's house. And

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 2>all of these people again fired up by a media

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:16.160
<v Speaker 2>that wants to pretend there's no difference between somebody who

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 2>waited in line and somebody who just jumped the queue. Well,

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 2>thankfully the LAPD have got control of their city.

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 11>Tonight there was a large group in front of the

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.080
<v Speaker 11>Federal Building, upwards of seven hundred protesters wrapping up their

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.639
<v Speaker 11>night and swiftly made their way out of the downtown

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:36.919
<v Speaker 11>area with only a few stragglers to speak of.

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:41.679
<v Speaker 2>Again, I get millions of people don't like Donald Trump,

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 2>the majority of Australians don't like Donald Trump. But for

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 2>goodness sake, illegal versus legal immigration not a hard concept

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.239
<v Speaker 2>for people to get their head around. And those who

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:52.879
<v Speaker 2>want to bury their head in the sand or just

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.879
<v Speaker 2>lighter people, including those who are reporting about it on

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 2>the other side of the world, feeding.

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Now a much happier moment. Before we get into our

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 1>debate this evening.

0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 2>The AFL Hall of Fame held the ceremony last night

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 2>in Melbourne, and it was a wonderful celebration of great

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 2>legends of the game, both male and female. But I

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 2>want to specifically focus in on young Aaron Phillips. Aaron

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Phillips was somebody who I think dreamt of playing basketball

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 2>but then ended up being able to play AFLW. She

0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 2>was one of the first female athletes to go in.

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Of course, the star of the Adelaide Crows going into

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 2>that Hall of Fame. Massive congratulations to her and her

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 2>teammates and her family. But as the father of two daughters,

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I must say this moment in her speech just filled

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 2>my heart until it was overflowing. In terms of a

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 2>daddy daughter moment, this is pretty cool.

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 4>I can't imagine how hard it would have been to

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 4>tell your thirteen year old daughter that she couldn't play

0:28:55.520 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 4>the game that she loves anymore, and twenty seven years

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 4>later she's standing next to you in the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 7>It's just.

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 4>Thank you for teaching me again that I loved And

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 4>even though you knew it was never going to take

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 4>me anywhere at the time, you still taught me anyway.

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>How good is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations to her and everyone else who joins the list

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 2>of legends of one of the great sports of the world.

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 2>All right, quick breakback. We we'll plea you want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about and lots to debate. FightNight here on Port

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<v Speaker 2>Murray Live, Wednesday Night, Ding Ding, Let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>All right before we begin our debate.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, you can see around Australia the strawberry moon.

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:45.479
<v Speaker 1>This is the last moon of spring.

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 2>The reason is called a strawberry moon is simply because

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 2>it's named after the berries. Because for farmers it's a

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 2>particularly important time of year. This is what you can

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 2>see around the world. By this time tomorrow we'll be

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 2>able to see some of the pictures here in Australia.

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 2>You've missed it on the East coast, but on the

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:01.959
<v Speaker 2>West coast you get to look out. In the next

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 2>little while it will be pretty much over Western Australia

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 2>as we speak. So when there's some lovely pictures of

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 2>that tomorrow, I'll show you.

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Lucy Zelek's here. Oh we love Lucy, don't we rot

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 1>I love you.

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 2>And Stephen Conry is always just here to help, isn't he.

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>On a Wednesday night. All right, hey, Steven, we love

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 1>you too.

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 2>By it's always it's always fun. All right, now let's

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 2>talk about to albow. Of course, you know, freshly re

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>elected ninety seven seats rule forever, you know all the

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 2>rest of it, right well, as you know, he turned

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 2>around and gave your speech yesterday at the Press Club,

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 2>of which a big talk fest is the idea for productivity,

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 2>a problem that Jim Chalmers says can't be even solved

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 2>in the next term, and it'll have to be after that.

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 2>But interestingly, there is this sort of drum beat of

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 2>people towards the center left saying, hey, look, I know

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 2>you didn't promise much at the election, but if you've

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 2>won by this much, time to burn a backbach. You've

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 2>got like twenty MPs that you can up against the wall.

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 2>And there have been a few movements, including apparently more

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:07.120
<v Speaker 2>progressive people being moved to the upper echelons of the

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 2>public service, who of course get the same pay rise

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 2>as the politicians do at the moment. Then there's also

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 2>the opinion stuff like this one here, which is Albanze's

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>cautious approach risks a repeat of Turnbull's wasted majority. Okay,

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>first things, First, Turnbull didn't have a majority. Tony Abbott

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 2>had a majority, and then Malcolm Turnbull in the back

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 2>and then he burnt the majority. So let's not pretend

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 2>that Malcolm Turbull had a majority, okay. And then the

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 2>third one here written by the poster who does it

0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 2>for the Turnbull Times, where he writes that at a

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 2>time of global and political upheaval, can Albanizi really resist

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 2>calls to be more ambitious?

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>All right, Lucy, what do they mean? What does the

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>left really want out of Albow?

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Is there assumption that because they've won this one, they'll

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 2>win everyone, So bugger it?

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Put the foot down.

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 12>Oh yeah, hell for little let's go, let's destroy the

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 12>economy by putting in renewable and it blackouts, brownouts. We

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 12>want more of that stuff. We want everything also to

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 12>be for free. So when you're asking the question, what

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 12>are they expecting Albow, it's gimmi, gimmy, gimmey. We're in

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 12>that era of you know, of the generation now who

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 12>were demanding that the university fees be paid for and

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 12>that basically they're given a house on a plot of

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 12>land that, by the way, doesn't exist thanks to ol

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 12>Bow because they haven't.

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:21.479
<v Speaker 1>Built you one.

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:25.000
<v Speaker 12>So it's really quite interesting to watch how this plays out.

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 12>Now we know that Olbow's quite calculating, and I don't

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 12>think it's in his DNA to be, you know, quite

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 12>gregarious when it comes to these sorts of things. I mean,

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 12>just have a look at how he's handled the situation

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 12>with Donald Trump at the moment, you know, Chinese warships

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 12>when they were circumnavigating this and seaboard nothing to see,

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 12>he nothing to say about it.

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>So but we set our own policy, Lucy, Yeah, well

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 2>what are that we We do not capch out to

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:50.080
<v Speaker 2>any how could you say this?

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 12>So it's a really interesting time and it's interesting to

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 12>also see the left demanding more of him, right. I

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 12>was speaking to a lady at the post office the

0:32:58.040 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 12>other day, an elderly woman, and she said, I don't

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 12>get me started on Albanize's pledge about the Medicare card

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 12>and you know how you don't have to take out

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 12>your own bank cards. She said, it's a line. It's

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 12>an absolute nonsense.

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Never forget eighty five percent of GPS surveys from their

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>own professional association say that was garbage. But you know, whatever,

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 2>we voted for it. We vited for it one hundred percent.

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 2>So Stephen helped me out here as a boke who's

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 2>tried to fight the left within the Labor Party, but

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 2>now it's in charge of the machinery. It's in charge

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 2>of the Prime Minister's office. Now many of the gallery

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 2>of which that they will play to, both metaphorically or

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 2>literally in terms of the press gallery is saying the same.

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Thing, we want more, we want more, be more ambitious.

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 2>But obviously one of the successes of the way that

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 2>things were played at the election was by literally offering

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:47.200
<v Speaker 2>not a single policy that had a downside to it.

0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 2>But help me out, what do they really want? What's

0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 2>the progressive wish list? Not the stuff that you think

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 2>is going to happen. But you know the old lefties

0:33:56.240 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 2>have always wanted from a prime minister with ninety something se.

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 11>Well.

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 7>I mean, the good news is Albow is not going

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 7>to be sucked into or egged on into policies that

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 7>we didn't take to the last election. So you know

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 7>those cries you've correctly identified from more left leaning outlets.

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 7>The Prime Minister Albo said he was going to govern

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 7>from the center. He campaigned from the center, and he

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:29.919
<v Speaker 7>will stay in the center. So whatever they think they're

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 7>arguing for, and I know none of them actually put

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 7>up any ideas.

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's that's that's why I'm asking you, because I've

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 2>read all these and the gentermen say, hey, you know

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 2>what we want universal this guaranteed that you know, I

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 2>know that Albo probably would love a little bit of

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:45.400
<v Speaker 2>universal childcare as his legacy. Gillard with the NDI is

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.759
<v Speaker 2>and again all these things just who cares what how

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 2>it's paid for in generations. But you know he kind

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 2>of missed it with the voice, so he'll want to

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 2>come up with something central thing.

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, probably the most outrageous thing that might be being

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 7>talked about is, you know, dental care might be on

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 7>medicare truly revolutionary, outrageous policies you're trying to trying to

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:13.279
<v Speaker 7>mean at the corner has some secret lefting. Well, you're

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 7>over there with all those lefties, you know, universal dental

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 7>care for You've got to be careful. We'll get your

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 7>membership card in a minute if you're not careful. In

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 7>the middle point of these PEO So those people out

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 7>on the left demanding things they weren't even prepared to

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:33.200
<v Speaker 7>put up a policy agenda themselves. So when they sort of,

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:37.400
<v Speaker 7>you know, call on elbow to go down the progressive path,

0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 7>they don't offer any policies, not the that surprises me.

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 7>And Albo will do what he said, deliverates promises from

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:48.880
<v Speaker 7>the election. You will keep supporting the US Alliance, he

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:52.799
<v Speaker 7>will maintain a relationship with China for our trading importance,

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 7>and he will govern from the center. So I did

0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 7>read those articles. I had a bit of a chuckle

0:35:58.080 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 7>and put them away and never thought about him until

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 7>I knew.

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 1>We were going to be talking.

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I think as well about the concept of the Turnbull majority,

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:05.480
<v Speaker 2>the one that.

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, what what he didn't he stole? Turnal majority stole.

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 2>And then up all right, yeah.

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Let's get just a joke.

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the drama, drama, drama in Tasmania. And I'm not

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>mocking Tasmania. You know again, I love it, I love

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 2>visiting it. I want nothing but the best. I think

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:23.759
<v Speaker 2>that the behavior of the Labor Party and what they

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:26.720
<v Speaker 2>did trying to pull on this moment. Then the governor

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 2>sort of I'll get back to it. It's just crazy

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 2>the way that it's played out. But Lucy, you know,

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 2>at the heart of this for some people is the

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 2>immovable position of the premiere when it comes to we

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 2>want an AFL team, we need a stadium for it.

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Others say, well that money could go somewhere else. But

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.880
<v Speaker 2>if the central claim that was behind the motion of

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:50.720
<v Speaker 2>no confidence was the state's got too much debt, well, sorry,

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 2>in all the speeches that I've heard and read, I

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 2>don't know what the alternative solution is in terms of

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 2>what the Labor Party are saying. So who got what

0:36:58.080 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 2>they really wanted out of this election?

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody?

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<v Speaker 12>Who did?

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<v Speaker 1>Who did?

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<v Speaker 12>I mean when you factor in and we spoke about

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<v Speaker 12>this last week, right because we were at the time

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<v Speaker 12>where we were discussing it, he was on the precipice

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<v Speaker 12>of going in for the vote. He lost the no

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 12>confidence vote. Now, as you said, rightly, it's gone back

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<v Speaker 12>to the governor who's going to decide what she's going

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 12>to do when she needs a bit of time around it.

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<v Speaker 12>You know, by all accounts, Jeremy Rockcliffe is saying and

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 12>his party members are saying that they fully support him

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<v Speaker 12>in this role. They stand by him. I just find

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<v Speaker 12>that it's very interesting that you know this is all

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 12>coming about now particularly when there was some text messages leaked.

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.800
<v Speaker 12>Did you see those exchanges between a labor staff and

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:40.319
<v Speaker 12>somebody said that getting Rockcliffe out of this position would

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 12>actually be good for them because they know how well

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<v Speaker 12>liked ease by the Tasmanian public.

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<v Speaker 1>Turned to the right and put somebody of course.

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<v Speaker 12>But you know, the thing that really frustrates me in

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.799
<v Speaker 12>all of this as well is the hypocrisy that surrounds this,

0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 12>this concept that you know, they've been steeped in so

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 12>much debt. We mentioned it last week. Look at how

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 12>much debt the various other states are in. Then they're

0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:01.560
<v Speaker 12>not copying no confidence votes. I mean, hello, suburban rail

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 12>loop down in Melbourne, Victoria. We're talking about things being

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<v Speaker 12>over budget with respect to the fairies and the vessels

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 12>there that they're waiting on that have been delayed, et cetera.

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.840
<v Speaker 12>But hello, by comparison, this isn't occurring by the states.

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:16.799
<v Speaker 12>Why are you waging such absolute anarchy and war on

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 12>the Tasmanian people.

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<v Speaker 2>But again my point, Stephen, is if the threshold of

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 2>let's have an election because the management is out of control,

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:30.480
<v Speaker 2>are delayed, grossly delayed and grossly over budget, things like

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:32.799
<v Speaker 2>the fairies, or the lack of ports for them to

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 2>go to or debt. Well again, as Lucy says, I

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 2>think that's a really strong argument against the Victorian government.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's talk about the rockcliff of it all here,

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<v Speaker 2>because again we're not Tasmanians.

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:42.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the.

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Inner workings of how people are going to interpret things.

0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:47.799
<v Speaker 2>At the last election, you know, it's the multiple terms

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.280
<v Speaker 2>of the Liberal Party that have been around, multiple leaders.

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.240
<v Speaker 2>They got more seats after deciding to extend the parliament.

0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Stupid idea Lamby ran last time. I understand she's not

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 2>running candidates this time. Does one nation step into that

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 2>voie or does people rally around a premier who's had

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:07.959
<v Speaker 2>an idea wants to stick with it, or the sort

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 2>of classical thing that all oppositions do, which is to

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 2>turn up the noise as loud as possible and the exchanges.

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 2>If you change the government, the noise goes down. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you think about what's playing out in tasim.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I do think Paul, when you were in your

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:27.320
<v Speaker 7>intro you were very close to jumping a shark.

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Just to be clear, I do have a leather jacket

0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 1>on under this for you.

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<v Speaker 7>No one is the no one is the elected premier.

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 7>The people of Tasmania do not elect the premier. They

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:47.720
<v Speaker 7>elect a party that elects a leader, but the party

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 7>hasn't got rid of him. Concept the fund now, let

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 7>me just finish the fundamental concept is that leader then

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:58.880
<v Speaker 7>seeks a conference motion or demonstrates they've got the numbers

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 7>to the Governor a General. That is how Parliament of

0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 7>Westminster democracy works. So a combination of the Labor Party,

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 7>the Greens and the very unhappy Independence voted a motion

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.759
<v Speaker 7>of no confidence in Rockcliffe with have a motion no

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:19.760
<v Speaker 7>confidence in the government.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're having an election.

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:26.280
<v Speaker 7>So Rockcliffe Rockcliffe then had no How does be clear

0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:30.560
<v Speaker 7>Rockcliffe had a choice whether he would step down and

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:34.719
<v Speaker 7>allow another member of the Liberal Party to go to

0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 7>the Governor General and say I can command a majority

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<v Speaker 7>on the floor. Rockcliffe wouldn't do that.

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<v Speaker 12>He wouldn't step up support Stephen of his entire party.

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 12>I mean, at what point are we going to say.

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<v Speaker 1>That just this seems like.

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<v Speaker 7>That's not a majority.

0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:56.400
<v Speaker 12>But they're coming out and they're saying that they're but

0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 12>they're coming out and they're saying that they support him Stephen.

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 12>Just semantics socide though right and talking about the Westminster

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 12>system and all the rest.

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<v Speaker 7>Of it constitution, that's.

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<v Speaker 12>Fine, but that's okay, we're talking about that.

0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 1>But I want to really get you.

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:13.440
<v Speaker 12>I want to get to the crux of do you

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:18.400
<v Speaker 12>genuinely believe that this no confidence motion has merit that

0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:20.520
<v Speaker 12>based on the way that Rockliffe and the Liberal Party

0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:24.440
<v Speaker 12>have been running the show in Tasmania, his genuine grounds

0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:27.640
<v Speaker 12>to put them back in an election situation and put

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:29.239
<v Speaker 12>the Tasmanian people through all of.

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<v Speaker 2>This again, give me a bumper stick of Stephen, because

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I have to take a break.

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:37.440
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, the stadium is a significant issue, whether people are

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:38.279
<v Speaker 7>right or wrong on that.

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Afl are playing at hard.

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.920
<v Speaker 7>But the one that absolutely is the killer for them

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:45.840
<v Speaker 7>is have a look at the photos of the ferry

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.880
<v Speaker 7>docked in Scotland. Just have a look at it, because

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 7>not only did they be to build to be a ferry,

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:53.239
<v Speaker 7>they didn't build a port big enough to go in.

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.800
<v Speaker 7>That level of incompetence deserves to be thrown out of governments.

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:02.160
<v Speaker 7>That is a huge suburban dismiss not very important, by the.

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<v Speaker 12>Way, but they're over by forty five.

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:09.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take a break don't worry about it.

0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I've got to take a break.

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, where you're talking about me crossing

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 2>the jumping the shark, the state has a governor, not

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:15.879
<v Speaker 2>a governor general.

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:18.319
<v Speaker 1>But that's okay, Stephen. We're all learning together, all right,

0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:19.440
<v Speaker 1>quick break back with my.

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Some magic's matter more, some very scholarly work has been

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:30.880
<v Speaker 2>done by what I'm sure is right up there with

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.440
<v Speaker 2>the Ponds Institute, Escape dot Com that are you. These

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:37.240
<v Speaker 2>are the prettiest streets in all of Australia, apparently, Kiribilly

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Avenue in Sydney, Pink Lake Road in Esperance.

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:43.839
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely she's had his gorgeous this one in Victoria.

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Also the Great Ocean Road, no surprise there, and the

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:49.719
<v Speaker 2>GiB River Road in Western Australia.

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I agree with all of those. But anyway, well done.

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:53.760
<v Speaker 2>They got their friend mentioned on television, Escape dot com

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.040
<v Speaker 2>dot AU. All right here with Lucy Heilich and with

0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Conroy both here to help. Let's just talk about

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:02.440
<v Speaker 2>what's been happening in America. Stephen, you heard what I

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 2>had to say at the start. Here we look, there's

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:07.399
<v Speaker 2>a fundamental illegal versus illegal immigration, and then on top

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:09.080
<v Speaker 2>of that, We've got a whole bunch of other people

0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 2>wanting to cause an awful lot of mess, And the

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 2>only reason LA was locked down was because of the

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 2>lunatics that are running around destroying property, not Donald Trump thoughts.

0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:24.239
<v Speaker 7>Look, I think there's three different parts to this. The

0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 7>first is it's been widely reported now that Stephen Miller,

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 7>the architect of all these policies, went into Homeland Office

0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:37.720
<v Speaker 7>and screamed at them. These are the reports verified, screamed

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:39.760
<v Speaker 7>up them that they had to start deporting more people.

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 7>So they moved from raiding the Venezuelan gangs to down

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 7>at home depot to raid the workers at the home depot.

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:51.799
<v Speaker 7>So a bit of a difference there, but this has

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 7>been brought on by Miller demanding that more people be deported.

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 7>That was then just genuine uprising, limited by those who

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 7>felt that this was not the right thing to do

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:08.680
<v Speaker 7>in terms of you told us you were going after

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 7>Venezuelan gangs, not after.

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:14.040
<v Speaker 1>The way person now at home depot. No.

0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 7>No, And that's on pot of the three themes here

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:19.359
<v Speaker 7>that Donald Trump, who needs to change the narrative, is

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:23.799
<v Speaker 7>the master a changing the narrative, catching the Democrats flat

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:26.120
<v Speaker 7>for all the time. You know, are we talking about

0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 7>Jeffrey Epstein and Elon Musk this week?

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? Sorry today?

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:38.040
<v Speaker 7>No heed, Yeah, no, no, he groveled. And as we know,

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 7>Donald Trump is always happy to take some person who's

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 7>criticism back as long as they kiss his ass. Hello

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:44.560
<v Speaker 7>Marco Rubio.

0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 12>Uh.

0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Never happened in the Labor Party. I mean, when when

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 1>you break it, you stay broken. Nobody ever papers that

0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:56.840
<v Speaker 1>over writ in the Labor Party. Rats rats a rat Okay.

0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:58.399
<v Speaker 1>So then unless they.

0:44:58.320 --> 0:44:59.799
<v Speaker 2>Are at Greens right, and then you can will into

0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:04.680
<v Speaker 2>your in the Senate, I've got a consistent.

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 7>Position of I've got a consistent position they should all

0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:12.280
<v Speaker 7>right or resign if they do that in the Senate.

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 7>So then you've got whether or not it's justified. Beyond

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 7>the National Guard, and I think where you know, to

0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 7>borrow the phrase where it's popular tonight, where he's jumped

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 7>the shark, not in the way that I think will

0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 7>hurt him, but he's jumped the shark on the Marines,

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:29.399
<v Speaker 7>I think the National Guard. The looting, you can see

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:31.719
<v Speaker 7>there's a just vile element. I'm not sure the National

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 7>Guard would need it ultimately in the looting, but the

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 7>curfew all those things, absolutely, and you're right to point

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 7>out it's for the looting and the rioting, not the

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:46.759
<v Speaker 7>demonstrations and the protests. Okay, very different issues. As you've said, correctly,

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 7>whole bunch of people who you know took advantage of

0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:54.080
<v Speaker 7>this to engage in criminal behavior, completely right, call their poor,

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:59.720
<v Speaker 7>completely right. But sending in the Marines is jumping that shark.

0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:02.279
<v Speaker 12>Well I appreciate that, but why though, like you just

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:03.920
<v Speaker 12>I just want to know why is the jumping the

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 12>shark though?

0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 7>Because they're not needed? And look, this is a bloke

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.440
<v Speaker 7>who won't deploy a troop in defense of Ukraine, but

0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:12.880
<v Speaker 7>will deploy troops to attack his own citizens.

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:19.240
<v Speaker 1>That's why erection American is exactly.

0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 12>But is it to jack citizens or is it signal

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:25.840
<v Speaker 12>to say to the people that enough is enough?

0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.400
<v Speaker 1>The fact that you have all of these people.

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:36.680
<v Speaker 12>Immigrants to actually they're committing strategy right thing by coming

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:38.960
<v Speaker 12>into the country legally.

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.759
<v Speaker 1>Season come on you, I love this, I love this.

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:50.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna let you go all nights trouble check it out.

0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:51.960
<v Speaker 1>But he can beat up a few.

0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:54.000
<v Speaker 7>Protesters in Los Angeles by sending in the.

0:46:54.520 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Protesters is launching is right?

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:04.680
<v Speaker 12>Vandalizing cars, they're attacking police. Come.

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:07.760
<v Speaker 7>I'm one hundred percent with the curfew. I'm one hundred

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:08.840
<v Speaker 7>percent with the curfew.

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 12>But don't send in a sign of strength to say, hey, women,

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 12>business and enough.

0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:18.560
<v Speaker 7>Sin of strength. It's their own people, it's their own people.

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:23.320
<v Speaker 12>One way Mexican flag reason says I love this country.

0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm more than I refuse to go there.

0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:29.280
<v Speaker 7>Sorry to half on, I mean to find some lunatic

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:33.080
<v Speaker 7>socialist Mexican to pretend that this is what there's really

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 7>These writers are really about enough jumping the ship's standard.

0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 1>You see, that's just you. That's you work in the clock,

0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:41.799
<v Speaker 1>in the clock. All right, I got the last word

0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:44.120
<v Speaker 1>last time, you get it. This time, Lucy, you get it.

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Next week, I'm I'm in your backyard. She gets it

0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:48.360
<v Speaker 1>down your back Thank you guys.

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.759
<v Speaker 2>Next week quick break at a final thought before we

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 2>head off the late debate, don't go anywhere goods.

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<v Speaker 7>Ah.

0:47:59.320 --> 0:47:59.920
<v Speaker 1>That's treasure.

0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Have a look at this sunken ship, sixteen billion dollars

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.640
<v Speaker 2>worth of treasure. It's been found in around the Caribbean.

0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:09.359
<v Speaker 2>It's referred to as the Holy Grail of shipwrecks. We're

0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:12.160
<v Speaker 2>just liking to show you some random things across the show.

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 2>This apparently was a vessel that was sunk by the

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Royal Navy seventeen oh eight. What is inside at sixteen

0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:20.279
<v Speaker 2>billion dollars worth of treasure? Good luck to the chat

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 2>once you get back to the beach. About your bit,

0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 2>my bit, your bit, my bit quickly? Something I want

0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 2>to say in favor of the police. You know on

0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:30.480
<v Speaker 2>the show we are pro police and I stand by

0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 2>the news of Welds Police in particular with industrial action

0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:36.319
<v Speaker 2>they have planned because they are sick and tired of

0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:40.640
<v Speaker 2>having to transport people in between prisons. They are not

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 2>the corrections department. They are not the prison's department. They

0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:47.400
<v Speaker 2>the police department. And also, as always we send strength

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<v Speaker 2>and love to the people who run towards people on

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<v Speaker 2>the toughest day of their.

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<v Speaker 1>Life, all day, every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Story today that New South Wales police are being pushed

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<v Speaker 2>to find the root cause of psychological injuries because in

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<v Speaker 2>the years between mid twenty nineteen mid twenty four, psychological

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<v Speaker 2>injury now make up seventy four percent of compensation costs,

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<v Speaker 2>totaling one point seventy five billion dollars, compared to just

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six percent for physical injuries. I believe this is

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<v Speaker 2>yet again more information that we should be moving towards

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<v Speaker 2>a Royal commission into the trauma that is faced by

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<v Speaker 2>our emergency services, both professional and volunteer. If you've got

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<v Speaker 2>a story Seminemma Paulitskynews dot com dot au.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a late debate